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- This is my experience with the Merchant's Guild in Last Epoch 1.0, I tried to interact with the Bazaar and it was ultimately a terrible experience, this needs buffs!
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I post everything for 0 gold for 2 reasons, 1 i dont need the item and 2 i dont need the gold. So why not share my unwanted loot with others who might want or need it
This feedback is important. This is just the first cycle and it's a totally new system that has to be tested and retested to balance it properly. I am sure that EHG will address all of these issues and update the system until it is really good.
New system auction house, you heard it first here people,
What is totally new in this is how bad the ui is considering the time and date they release the game .nothing new in an auction house they just added grind behind using it.
I'm not going to speak for the devs like that, but I'd be surprised if they didn't do something to change it. The market is entirely ruined by the current system locking players out from trading until they've dropped like 50 hours into the game.
There were LP1 items going for half the price of LP0 items.
This is also what made all the streamers/no lifers get LP3 and LP4 uniques for 0 gold, because new players were just selling those for nothing to try and get more favor.
bro, please. Even I could foresee most of those problems in this trade bs. Devs could at least TRY to check how trade in PoE works. No, this cope sh*t about "oooh, it is just their first try(((" is equals to self-lying. Stop coping - the game is far from its real "release" state even in its current amount of content (unfinished story mode, guilds and late "game"). This grand "AAAs are not needed" experiment kind of failed. There is still a huge need in fonds for such big projects, even considering all those free ads that top streamers gave them.
@@ivanshulika5359Trade in PoE has flippers artificially inflating prices and having to use a website to find a seller and hope they respond to your whisper just to get an exalted orb or something. It feels awful.
@@biohazardmilk631He didn't say it was conceptually new. He's saying it was literally just added.
Clearly there are many places where the UI could be improved, and some balancing of the ranks. I would be amazed if EHG weren't already working on a bunch of those types of improvements. But I really hope they don't cave too far and encourage the market-mogul style of gameplay where there's an incentive to sit in market all day min-maxing your price checks and reselling items instead of killing mobs. The MG is already the easiest way to get specific gear to fully enable any build you want; it doesn't need to get even easier. A few tweaks and balance passes are all the MG needs. Signed, happy CoF player.
For me its the opposite i did COF until lvl 9 and didnt get the stuff i actually needed i switched to MG took me 4 days to get to 8 and now i just buy 2LP consistently and if i get high LP drops i can sell them instead rotting them in my stash if my alt doesnt use it.
same for me. CoF feels horrible if you arent lucky
@@unl3453d Are you new to ARPGS? Do you not know what RNG stands for? CoF is SSF, do you buy a lottery ticket a get mad when you dont win a hundred buckaroos?
@@BoGoPoGoes decide youself. 7 years and ongoing PoE, always 36, 38/40, sometimes 40/40.
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@softan I've spent maybe 300$ on scratchers and I've easily made a 1000$ from them. 500$ off a 5$ scratcher and then 100$ the day after off the same kind 💁♂️
@@Teedubzzz Is there a point or is it just a fun anecdote? :)
I try Merchant Faction until rank 7,and yes exactly like you say it just painful to navigate,especially as a new player it's hard to understand value of an item,I used to just ctrl+D on POE and I can learn and check the item I just got is trash or good
in the end I made new char and play offline mode coz well there's no reason to play online if I was gonna choose Circle Fortune.
GGG: "Oh good, now we don't have to improve trade like we thought we had to" :P
...sadly, PoE needs a better system as well but they never locked is behind some arbitrary level you gotta reach
@@WalterWhite-jz7ctin fact, PoE's trading system is THE best. You can look at the items available on market from anywhere anytime. They just need to add instant bulk buying feature and for just items leave it as it is.
@@WalterWhite-jz7ct All PoE needs is the PoE trade on their website implemented into the game the exact way it is IMO
ye il take ggg system over this system any day@@WalterWhite-jz7ct
@@WalterWhite-jz7ct Indeed, would rather have some scuffed trade system thru 3rd party sites than a very scuffed trade system that locks most players out, until they have gained enough favor from 60 hours of gameplay. Such a weirdly anti-trade mechanic for a "trade faction"
This is exactly the impression I had of the MG without ever playing it. It seemed clear just from the faction "bonuses" plus the restrictions that trade would be terminally hampered. I saw someone else somewhere say something to the effect of the factions should be constructed based on "fun" not some ironclad "balance" between them. CoF was clearly developed with fun in mind and then MG was developed to reign in it's "power". Just looking at the rank rewards made me not want to play it.
On my rank 10 COF I farmed last steps from 100-900c and only dropped 2 boots with 1 LP, Which on trade I can just grab ‘em for free. You think you would have better drops and gear on COF but you really don’t which is sad 😞
Similar case for me with wraithlords. Just couldn't get it to drop no matter how I farmed it. Swapped to MG and just bought it.
Now I can continue to farm it so I can get one I can take back to COF but at least I can actually use my build now lol.
Merchants guild has been great for me, but I typically am just looking for entry lvl gear to get the build I'm looking to play up and running (required idols, no LP version of any required uniques).
Yeah this video feels a bit more dramatic and different than his usual videos. I started MG and don't feel like I'm missing out on much. I was able to buy my required uniques pretty easily. Looks like this might change later on, but I don't think I'm the type of person who will ever be able to kill T4 Julra so I'll happily buy the legendary I want from a player.
@@ChrisWhiton well he clearly stated that his main frustration is not being able to push past corruption 200 because he cant get the LP unqiues he needs and he even said he had no problem buying all the uniques without LP. you are probably not even close to his progress so yeah it obviously doesnt apply to you (yet) and i dont see how you not having the same experience invalidates his or makes it as you said "dramatic". the current trade experience leaves a lot to be desired and pales in comparison to self-found, i dont think thats a dramatic take.
@@ChrisWhiton the grind to be able to buy legendary is massive so you will max level and get bored of a character before you able to buy a legendary
I can totally see where he's coming from personally I'm new to LE and went MG. the early game feels so good with MG you get anything you need easily so your build will be up and running fast but then you hit the rank 7/8 wall it feels like you don't have a choice but to grind out the ranks in order to upgrade your character it's very jarring you go from constant progression to a full stop until rank 7 when you can get exalts and once you get your exalts real quick you're stuck again until rank 8
@bearY0 I would say that's a pretty dramatic take. There really are only 2 issues with MG. One is having too many vendors, selling items is a PiTA having to go check each vendor when selling multiple items. The second is the long grind up the ranks screwing up the market. Those are 2 easily fixed issues. Even with those issues, it is still far and away better than CoF IMO.
I'm so glad someone made this video!
I can totally understand the frustrations you presented with the system, but your suggestion of removing restrictions doesn't just solve problems it also creates them. You yourself said that you got all your basic unique gear straight away and mostly for free. Something that can take a very long time on CoF.(I've been farming for days and still only have two of the uniques that I need) Removing restrictions will only make this problem worse. Another problem is that the top end items would become too easy to obtain. Just imagine being able to buy an item off the market that's near impossible to farm with CoF. I really think you are overestimating the power of CoF here. Yes you get a lot of good drops, but the vast majority are not for your build. The fact that you could buy items at rank 3 that I'm still farming for is insane.
The real solution here would be a more balanced approach. Make the early MG experience much much harder to make sure people aren't getting their endgame gear straight away and skipping the upgrade path. Remove the frustrations from the trade search system. Add restrictions to the top-end items to make them roughly as hard to obtain on MG as on CoF.
I like merch guild. My only problem is it takes FOREVER to level up after like lvl6 and there's no price checking.
I tried MG for about 2 hours, went CoF and didn't look back.
Circle is great and you can still trade with your friends you actively play with
I did the same, everything was too expensive, couldn't find/sort by attribute, or it was free, but couldn't buy it due to rank. I was level 6 and switched to CoF because I could focus farm and there are bombs of loot that I could use for my endless alts.
SAME! I thought it wouldn't be that bad but the UI almost immediately killed my desire to grind it out.
If you don't like having all the uniques for your build before you even start on your build I guess.
Torchlight, a mobile game, has a better price checking feature than this. Hehe...
It's a bit clunky yeah but gives access to more power, gold has meaning now and most importantly, I spent 3 days farming Lagon for a boss drop relic and didn't get it, switched to Merchants and bought it in 3min (very nicely rolled too)
Additionally, good exalted items that are not for my build are interesting now as I can sell good gear
I don't like gambling my time with RNG, to each their own I guess
I'll be pushing 1k corruption with my Paladin and I think Merchants will get me there MUCH faster than CoF
Oh no, did you have to kill monsters many times for rare loot? Hmm i wonder if you are playing the right game...
I knew this system wounldnt work you cant split the community like that either such a terrible idea
Yes the features in the Merchant's guild need a lot of work for ease of use. With that said I still love the idea of it because I look at trading as End Game. I think this format to trade is really unique so I enjoy it. I've sold a few really nice items for 1 mil gold each that had high tier skills and have cleaned out my inventory several times and been selling everything even Idols. You definitely have to be in the mood for it and usually when I'm finished playing for the day I'll spend time selling and buying. I really like buying Exalts and testing my luck crafting and have gotten some serious upgrades.
If it just let you trade whatever you want at faction level 1, a lot of the issues would be fixed. Including the absolutely dumb market prices during the first week when most players still couldn't buy what they needed, and were selling very valuable items for nothing. That alone completely ruined the market for quite awhile.
@@SuperCatacata I don't agree with full trade at level 1. I do think this is the best trading system put into an ARPG. I think the favor system is a highlight of it.
The market isn't even close to ruined because of how it was brilliantly set up. People have sold items for cheap to gain favor that's okay though cause those items are "Removed" from the economy. Many items are bricked in crafting and thrown out also can't be flipped or traded again.
Also EHG should impliment an in game feature similar to Awakened PoE trade. The QoL of Awakened PoE Trade is night and day
I made a suggestion involving adding a new system/number into the mix that we can call "influence" that can replace the Rank Requirement for buying completely. Favor and Reputation will still be there in parallel, but now we have this new 3rd thing.
Influence would work like a thermometer and would have a max cap that will be going up as you get reputation and increase in Rank.
Let's say you start with 200 influence cap at Rank 1. A rare item will require (and spend) exactly 200 influence, meaning that you can only buy 1 before you have to go out and earn more influence again. Uniques will cost 1000 influence and therefore, you can't even buy them at rank 1, because your cap isn't high enough (it doesn't fit in that thermometer).
When you get at the appropriate Rank, let's say you have 1000 influence. Well now you can buy Just One Unique, or 5 Rares (given my example).
Then you have to farm more. I'm assuming the same way you farm favor, but maybe even through some quests that they could add to an NPC, similar to how the CoF Prophecies feel like quests you can pick because you were planing to do that content anyway.
How is this different than gating uniques behind a Rank if you will be gated behind a max influence cap? Well because you make it so that the equivalent of Rank 8 will fall around Rank 6 in this new system (when it comes to time invested to get there), with the only caveat being that you can't buy 5 items in one go to fully gear your character. And by the time you farm more influence and buy more items one by one you will be getting closer to that Rank 8 in the old system.
What do you think?
Obviously these were just random numbers as examples. Riguros testing needed, but I think it solves a lot of problems while giving MG players a more organic feeling of growth and like mom telling you you can have a toy, but just one for now. You have to make choices if that unique is worth more for you now than 2 Rares.
They definitely need to make improvements, but for half the problems there's a workaround.
You can have your inventory open when you talk to the NPC. And you can click the more button to search while your inv is open.
You can also switch the view of the items to be List, instead of Grid if you prefer it that way. So you'll have all the items on the left and you hover your mouse over them, having the stat you want to check ("movement speed" in your case) pretty much in the same visual space so it's easier for your eyes than going left-right.
It also fits more items.
Hope this helps players.
I have been playing CoF offline due to the server issues mostly. Now that servers have stabled I have started levelling a few new chars and was planning to try MG for online play. Maybe I will do CoF there as well until MG is refined.
I started merchants and it felt bad it was hard to get reputation fast and it felt like a chore. Unless you priced all your items for no gold you really didn’t sell much unless it was gg but also no one had good early and if others not rank 8 to buy items then you couldn’t sell or buy.
Merchant guild should be allowed to trade everything to everyone and to give gear to people.
They need a poe style item checker api thing people use.
Then went cof and been happy with it and already level 7 after a few days
It is frustrating to be in discord with friends that all went CoF and hearing them all get constant upgrades while I'm sitting here farming for rep. Seems like they get constant 2lp drops.
Exactly my experience. I think that MG is still the most reasonable way to min/max character though. I could swallow the lack of search options, but price check of uniques and at least 1 exalted affix should be a thing, because it's ridiculous to force people to learn about every build's gearing.
crazy that you can filter by LP on the AH, but you cant use the loot filter to sort out 0 or 1LP uniques. Even when considering that the uniques arent even the chase items, its the exalteds with mods you want to put onto the uniques. With the exception being a few rare uniques ofc or encounter specific ones.
This game was made to play offline, resisting leads to frustration
The amount of loot CoF drops, I see zero reason to ever play MG.
It's the best for those people that love to min max builds, but definitely boring
@@Capitan_CaptainDefinitely. Once you hit that min/max ceiling, there’s no much fun left to be had on that build.
@@Capitan_Captain It just doesn't feel like PoE trading. Seems way easier to buy everything you want. I'd rather SSF in this game more than any other.
I think this is a sign of a unhealthy economy. less market participants = less money chasing goods, value of goods decrease. More market participants = more money chasing goods, higher valuations.
So if everything is dirt cheap, where are all the buyers? That's not a healthy market.@@JohnB-mo4kq
@@Arccanos That's fair.
how do people make so much gold?? just farming corruption mono's?
I just wish they had a normal AH instead of it being locked behind a faction. It would be funner to have multiple factions we can grind rep for and get special stuff with.
Yeah, it's a struggle to sell items and gold accumulates fairly slow without being able to actually sell the items.
Sadge, I actually enjoy getting the exact items I want where the only factor in getting it is time spent gaining gold/favor.
UI had had a handful of improvements and probably will get more. I can now open and close my inventory and even stash while browsing.
I will never go with the rng fest that is circle of self found.
It's funny because years and years ago I thought ESO's trading was the worst thing we'll ever see in a game. How wrong I was 😐
MG made me frop my second chat althogether. I wanna fight monsters not menus and leveling systems.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeers~~~~ i cant even imagine. i mean theres some potential for it and merchant guidl, but ive felt SO SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW I MEAN THE REP GRINDING IS INSANE.... i played alot but im learning so 2 weeks in and im only lv 85 and starting empowered on my starter and mannnnnnnnnnnnn i started COF but im FINALLY rank 6 lmfao and i tried swapping to merchant to try it for leveling a new falconer to try to get myself a proper farming build in the wing when i get it gear but mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn I ENJOY THE NOVELTY AND THEM TRYING BUT THE SEARCHING FUNCTIONALITY TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTNAD AND BUY GOOD GEAR IS MISERABLE!!!! i dont know how ot fight again bots but LISTING ITEMS SHOULD BE FREE SO PEOPLE FEEL INCENTIVISED TO ACTUALLY SELL STUFF NAD EVERYTHING INSTEAD OF HAVING TO HOARD FAVOR TO BUY STUFF IDK. cheeeeeeeeeers COF LIFE but rip me getting good LP uniques lmfao
yeah, fuck em
You can always equip item which you want to sell for easy compare/see exact stats @bazzar
This actually blows my mind. I've literally given away 2LP Exsanguinous as CoF to friends since they're not a big deal to find. Really bummed to hear that MG has been such a negative experience for so many.
good search and a marketstall in your mono area would solve alot of these problems i think. it just feels bad for now
Mike has already said that they were working on MG improvements, including searching the items yesterday on twitch stream
That's great news!
@@dizzy2020 So you're going to ignore all the other things he helped probably fixed and just point out on one thing he didn't do right and shit on him. Big brain logic brother.
Didnt say anything about removing the grind or the hard locks and those are the problems.
MG would be fine it you didn't need tier 8 to buy anything worthwhile.
It is also worth mentioning that if you buy an item from MG and want to switch factions, YOU MUST UNEQUIP ALL ITEMS BOUGHT FROM THE MERCHANT GUILD then you can change factions. I understand the reasoning but it's definitely worth noting.
This triggers my Maplerstory Freemarket PTSD of endless hours comparing item stats and prices.
Didn't touch MG, as I am playing mostly offline for now, CoF just feels 10x times better. Sure I can't get exactly the item I need at the moment, but so what? I am finding very interesting stuff, 2LP Ladle, 1LP Wrongwarp at random, a very good 2 exalted affix ring, bases to make legendaries on, Prophicies that gave a 2LP of Item I needed... Would I ever found these items at the same rate I did? Or would I just wait X rank to buy them. MG seems too forced on you, heavily relaying on other players for big upgrades (A rare number of LP on a Unique) While finding barely anything worth while doesn't feel too good.
I love trading, but making the experience frustrating is just a big nono. They should just learn from poe how to make a good search filter. Searching/UI should NEVER be a place for friction. Trading is one of the the best parts of most of the games I like to play, but in LE i'm just playing COF... I really hope they fix trading so that I can come back to play more cycles (unlikely, if I can't trade).
i Started COF and played Blademaster for 120h and run like 100 Echos on 300+ and pushed all Monoliths to 300+
I didn't find shit I needed with LP so I switched to Trade Guild The prices are totally over the top not to say retarded.. We talk about items gold asked for 400m 200m 800m
I was lucky to sell 1 Items for 18m so I had some small budgeted to play around and get me LP1 and LP 2 Items to then I need to still upgrade them and get the wrong stats.
Both systems are crap to me that's why I stoped playing for the last 3 weeks or so
Dude, just learn all meta builds and you do not need price check at all :) MG is so good imho, I just got 2 red rings ez pz 10mil. Also you can get ez 1-2 lp slams for most uniques that your build need with almost 0 time spent. Searching system need some upgrades, that is true... but still it is very satisfying for me to log in and grab 1-5 millions from my sales =) Also I got rank 10 almost with lvl 100... so no problem with buying legendary stuff. Aaaand sometimes you can snipe some cheap 3-4 lp stuff =)
CoF is great for exalteds and everything. But I think you overstate how good it is for lp uniques. Going through my 14 stash tabs of LP uniques 80% are not flagged as CoF which means it did not proc anything inside it. Currently rank 9 and anything above 8 feels useless. Free trash sets. Or free duplicated items from prophecies which just means more 0 LP uniques that get left on the floor. I think both guilds kinda need a rework. Maybe 9 and 10 in CoF is chance for 2 LP and 3 lp. But both guilds feel like you hit a wall in gearing.
They messed up making COF so easy. Might as well make it all SSF at this point. A great way to segment a community. SSF should purely be exactly that, not bonuses to anything just a gameplay mode. You should also lose your stash and items like it was originally intended. It also doesn't help their AH/trade system is so cumbersome and appalling not even having basic filter search options and any QOL you would expect. Truly a backwards AH/trading system that makes you frustrated having no flexibility or freedom. COF is a loot explosion mode.
People who downvoted this video have probably never actually done any interesting listing and can't understand how bad it actually is to sell/buy.
Sure its great if you want to list your dogshit common no LP Unique , but the further you go, the more impressive an item is, the more frustrating it is to buy/sell other than just getting lucky since people list expensive items cheap because they can't be bothered to deal with the frustration.
I would play Merchant then switch to COF but unfortunately if you buy Merchant items, it brands them as Merchant guild obtained, so If you want to switch to COF you would have to buy from Merchant > Farm every single item again > switch to COF. It kind of sucks.
MG is clunky hell.
COF is broken beyond belief.
Just playing set to MG and not participating with either. 🤷🏾♂️
I disagree, I've never been so geared so quickly. Early on a rare with 4 good affixes for your build will 100% be better than a random exalted that you've dropped with 1 t7 affix that is good for your build and 3 lacklustre ones. And as you rank up you can start to buy specific exalted items, or unique items with high LP.
I will agree that the UI could be a lot better but I cannot see how "search for as close to the exact item I want for my build and buy it for 0 gold" is worse than whatever COF offers.
I tried it for a bit but the UI seemed overwhelmingly confusing, as you said, as if it was made for a mobile/console port... Also I never found good enough items that'd be valuable enough to sell, or maybe I just havent realized I had a valuable enough item that I could sell.
I cant believe I would ever say this, but I miss PoE's website search. At least you can search for the majority (not everything) of things in the game with relative ease and you can filter for every small detail. Compared to that, the MG in LE is extremely subpar, barely functional at best and very restrictive with all the rankings and favor grinding and reputation.
I went CoF and I'm loving the game even more now, feels amazing.
The only good thing that comes out of MG is easy access to items for shattering. I spent one day in MG, COF is much better right now
I don't know man. I mean, I agree with some of your points (especially the search being still a bit clunky and not beingle able to search for specific affixes on unique gear). But overall, I'm having a great time with the merchants guild, and it's so satisfying to find good items and sell them for a lot of money, and then with that money t buy items that I couldn't find myself in a million years. I'm lvl 100, max level on the merchant guild, and every day I'm buying and selling stuff, and I really enjoy it, basically 99% of my gear comes from trading (and actually I'm playing with friends who are in the cof, and I constantly hear them complaining about not being able to find what they need for the build they do, and I'm kind of like: "uh, there's one of those for free in the market, too bad you can't buy it..."😊
ye i agree on most of these, i do the same as you in terms of listing, i generally do 10-35k for ltos of things, but if they have + skills i do 50-100k then if its they purp and t7 etc i do check if they have good basic stats
I think your missing a valuable point in all this, ALTS - the market is primarily designed with alts in mind, consider myself, i am now on my 5th toon, having the market open means i can bascially kit them out without farming that lp3 or 4 item having to find specific items that dont drop - ie im playing mage atm and needed the chance to apply spark on IDOL - needless to say as never having played mage on any other toon i had 0 in my bank, but pop over to AH and i bought 5 for combined about 10k immediately changes my alts build and no need to farm.
Im not hard player , yes i play a lot but not like some and im rank 8 its not hard to get to that, for instance your best to gamble with your favour as your earn more rank (or did ) but still its not hard to get rank, yes it gets a slog from 8 onwards, but thats to be expected.
Now, could the items and ranks they sit in be better 100% yes... the search is crap, the UI in general is crap, but we are talking 1.0 wihout this EVER been in game before.
Couldn't agree more. I planned on leaving merchant guild when i was 7½ because the experience was so horrible.. only to find out i couldn't use ANY of the gear that I had bought if I wanted to continue playing..
So right now I want o play on circle of fortune, but I cba to farm completely new set of gear with basically no gear, so I haven't played all day.. :/
Great Video, same experiences. After getting your first few build defining legendaries. It's mostly stale all the way untill way after level 100 due to extreme scarcity.
Search function is horrible as exactly mentioned. Price checking is that tedious that i will just sell for 1000 gold just to clear inventory or just throw away that it makes me confused why i'm not doing COF most of the times.
Prices are way higher now it's crazy
I was doing so well in COF then decided to switch to MG for some reason, made few millions but it's horrible, i really miss COF buffs and it's easier and faster to get what u want there instead of farming 100M+ gold for 2 lp item
I knew that MG was bad just by looking at the rank "rewards". All the rewards are about removing restrictions. CoF is VERY different story. Each rank reward is great.
Everything about LE's design philosophy and development decisions reflects their dev team's desire for a solo game. They put in the most slapdash trade system possible and added all sorts of barriers to make it even worse. They say that they want people playing the game and not sitting around trading, but you spend more time listing items in the MG than you do playing because of the absolutely terrible interface. Meanwhile, CoF has all sorts of bells and whistles. Players are just being unsubtly 'encouraged' to go CoF by being made miserable with MG. Knowing the development history and community of LE, every person who converts from MG to CoF is a win in their eyes. They never wanted MG in the first place and they clearly still don't want it.
Above all else, it's this attitude that the devs and community have that sours everything. The community is an echo chamber that arbitrarily tries to shout down any criticism and the devs are pretty two-faced. They claim to want to make the best game possible, but the 'best' part is very clearly pinned to their solo vision for the game. They don't want to make a good game that will thrive over the years - they want to make *their* game and seem to be plugging their ears when any criticism that might nudge them away from their vision comes along.
LE is probably worth about 100 hours of playtime, which I suppose is fine for its price point, but it's not very satisfying for an ARPG. The endgame gets old fast and the devs bludgeon players over the head trying to get them to play the game as they envisioned it. As a long-term entry in the ARPG genre, it's shaping up to be a game that's just waiting to have its market share ripped away by a development studio that's actually interested in making a game that's fun for as many of its players as possible.
problem is, gold has 0 value in this game.. what can you buy with gold? you can gamble for hours and maybe get unique you want with guaranteed 0 lp, or buy stash tabs. Thats all. Even fixing all the problems wouldnt fix this one, path of exile has economy, currency is currency because its scarce and useful, even the most common items have its price because someone has to take time to trade them. In LE trading doesnt consume much time (other than putting the item on the market) gold is just gonna ramp up, noone gonna spent it and we gonna have basic items for 100 million gold in week from now.
As someone with characters in both factions, thss is a long video and a lot of words to say "I prefer solo-self found". Trade players prefer MG, even with the flaws (which you have mentioned, and will highly likely see iterative improvement).
Merchant guild was clearly designed to avoid hideout warriors.
But yeah,the way it is now is terrible for the UX, CoF is 100x better for 99% of thr playerbase
I was CoF all the way until I burned out on doing dungeons. Levelled from 94 to 95 inside soulfire bastion and realised that if i wanted the items for the build i was derping with I had to either pause pushing corruption until i got atleast decent lp hits, so i figured i would swap to merchants guild instead - and boy oh boy the ui is perhaps the worst i've ever seen. My initial reaction was that the bazaar layout and ui was how trading would look in d4, uneccessary movement between npcs, Check; unecessary fullscreen windows, Check; unecessary convoluted menus, Check - the same issue as always, whenever ui's are designed to work cross platform we get this fullscreen menace.
I decided to instead take a break, and make sure that next time im playing that i play huge attention to whether my build wants alot of dungeon specific uniques and go Merchants guild, because until there is bonuses to drops in dungeons beyond lp chance and some difficulty scaling akin to corruption I'm not doing dungeons spamming again, its so boring compared to monos.
Open trading. Keep everyone in the same game. Diablo 2 has open trading and is still going strong after 25+ years. You don't have to trade if you don't want to. SSF is still very doable. Everyone has the same chances of finding any item.
Agree with that analysis, Merchant is an illusion, it feels good at the beginning, you effectively start earning a few milions of gold, good items you still have from drop because youre not yet at the end game, and you are able to easily boost eq by finding the exact items you may use for a fair price......until the end game, when you hit the barrier that is lower that for COF players. You cant buy a lot of good gear that easily as COF can drop and modify it. Prices of end game gear are really expensive so the grind here is different than in COF. You know you dont have any drop boosts(prophecies), you just have hope to drop anything that you can sell for a milion or so, to collect money for the item you want. At least with COF they get that psychological treat of getting constant drops and dopamine spikes with multiple LP items. In merchants at end game, gameplay is getting quite poor like there is no reason to farm monoliths
It is a ridiculously clunky systems right now. I don't really care about selling items for free or not. I just want to be able to search for specific things that I want. A T6 or T7 affix with other T1 or T2 affixes would be nice to search.
I have a crazy idea. Why not have the loot drop of CoF, and allow people to be able to trade as backup if they are unlucky with loot. COF isn't truely SSF so the integrity of competition is already muddy if it is even a serious thing.
One moment I get a huge drop and get rich next I realize I can't buy any upgrades till Rank7 and 8 . On the other hand the prices follow no pattern or make any sense now, this is just the first cycle so yes it will be improved upon too in time.....but the most agonizing part is finding an item that you're looking for....it may exist but you don't know on which tab.
I didn't play merchant yet but I believe it's fairly new system, new payers, new exploits, etc.
I assume devs will patch it up some way and make it better.
Give this game some time and enjoy playing.
I assume you being so emotional means you care about this product.
Tbh i started useing CoF, and i got frustrated due to endless boss grinding to get thst lp3 item that never dropped, surr the search ui is bad, butt after i switched to MG i farmed favor and ranks and gold, and the i could deck out the character with BiS gear for higher corruption within a few days, IT just takes alot og grind, butt atleast you get higher chance to get the LP on the exact gear you need, grinding that one item and IT just never drops with the LP you need gets Even more frustrating and i allmost quit, i do have a life outside and works, i cant play and get payed like alot of youtubers do now adays.
You have omnis, i hit 100 and i dont even have it. No worries you are better than some of us. And no, you wouldnt have any of these items you said. I am rank 9 in CoF, im spamming prophecies and monoliths to target farm these uniques and i reached corruption 200 and im stuck in a hole like you said and guess what, not even a single one dropped so far. Stay in MG.
not reading comments.. so some1 might have put out there the idea.. but~ I feel they probably should have a system that calculate for you the price of the item. you as a player don't really place the gold cost, rather the system takes into consideration all the modifiers and gives you a number that should be its base price, and you can't go under that.
with time, the system would learn that modifiers are those that players gravitate to, and that would update the system (id say every 1 week there would be an AH prized update). at the start of a season all modifiers would start at a base 100% prize (whatever that cost would be).. and then the % can go higher or lower based on what are players looking for on that equipment.
this system would also take into consideration the rolls on an item (high and low rolls on a T7 as an example)
this would remove the need to price check every time, it would force players to never sell at 0 gold.. as it is not useful to the system and probably some more pros and cons
i think that the system should probably insert random items into the AH. if there is a low number of a specific item (no1 is selling) then inserting it into the system might possibly alleviate the drought feeling. these items would always come with lowest rolls in all modifiers.
as a last idea, items bought from the AH should be able to "evolve". for example, a unique item should have the potential to gain a number of legendary potential when placed into the AH. the players themselves would not neceserally see it or if they do, if they removed it from the AH it would revert to the previous state. This idea would make the AH more alluring in the sense that selling items you find are always the best option, but your personal upgrades will always come from the AH. with items having the potential to be LP2-4 more easily on there people would hopefully place more items in there, to gain gold, and then look for there own items they need at a higher LP then what they can find out there in the wild.
high LP items make sense to be rare (or even impossible) for the AH to find in the wild, but making them grow in power after entering the AH makes for an interesting relationship between players.
MG is the most stupid trading system in any arpg I played, they should look at Torchlight Inifinite AH system, and they should lessen the rank needed for buying/selling items, Im level 92 and at rank 6 cant buy any legendary potential gears
This might be a hot take but I'm glad Merchants Guild is weak. I think having a first time economy be too easily accessible for high tier loot might be a bad first impression and minimize any kind of advancement for an ARPG where the loot is the point of the game. I do think it isn't tuned correctly and needs some refinements. I'm very glad you made this video and I hope that EHG sees this. I am running MG on my first character and want to grind out to the highest level. I don't interact with it much but I like being able to acquire loot to play with the crafting systems without spending a lot of time grinding for gear to try. Thank you for the honest video, and even though I agree with your points I think MG has potential given enough people are willing to stick out the rep grind.
Merchants guild is the worst trading system in any ARPG, you have to play a little over 200 hours in a single league to trade anything meaningful. Only people I see trading are streamers. And if your not a streamer and your rank 8 in MG what are you doing with your life?
I absolutely enjoy the MG so far. Beeing able to trade requires you to play. They more you play the more and especially the better items you can buy. The prices are extremely fair if I compare this with Diablo. The game isn’t filled with Asia gold sellers however there are some but not even half as bad as in Diablo 4. You can sell the gear you don’t need and help other players getting what they want. All in all I really enjoy the MG
Glad merchant's guild sounds like hot garbage, worst aspect of every other multiplayer arpg (and most mmo's) is basement goblins rping day traders flipping items instead of actually playing the game.
I never, not even for 1 second, thought about joining the merchant's guild. When I first saw the choices, I immediately thought "there's no way I'm going to pigeonhole my progression on the greed of other people". We live in a world ruled by, mostly, corporate greed but by greed in general as sad as it is to say. If you've played any game with a market at all prices start off ok but eventually, they skyrocket out of control to the point nobody can afford things unless they get a lucky drop themselves and sell that item only to put their money right back into the market. I'll just get my own drops where I can just farm more if needed to get something, or not, but at least I don't have to worry about someone else being greedy, lol.
Also MG makes Lightless Arbor and Soulfire Bastion completely irrelevant content.
Well, what do you expect? Everything that has to work with online is awful in this game. Still to this day. Only natural that devs gave 0 sh*t about trade guild :D
What you mean by price checking? The price value is imaginary, it can be anything you want xD
As for the system itself and searching tool, it is indeed true kappa and apparently it was the system was so innovative that they spent hundreds of hours developing it xD
Rank progression for MG never sounded like a good idea and was the main reason I never seriously considered it. Maybe I'm just idealistic, but the economy itself should keep the best gear out of the hands of newer players, not an arbitrary account limitation.
The biggest and most important change they could make quickly as a bandaid fix is to allow you to adjust price after placing for free. Also it would be nice if they minimum price was the vendor sell price instead of 0. Personally i would live if the system auto sold items to a vendor if the price ever got that low and automatically lowered prices the longer a item sat on market until it sold. That way the market could slowly adjust itself.
lol they should've just combined circle of fortune and merchant guild together without merchant guilds stupid requirements
Totaly agree with this, I played merchants bcause I love to trade. But the farming until I hit rank 8 made me quit the game after playing alot before release. If they changed the rank and trading ui it woud make me want to play again.
CoF here, it aint much better here if your playing an obscure build. If your playing one of the 4 rail roaded builds its fine. Both are completely scuffed since neither solves target farming problem
Cof is so bonkers and fun. With rank 10 i regular see around 20ish uniques popping from one prophecy. Have all the crafting mats such as rune of creation and can get easely more if i need. Am i still hunting the perfect 3lp items sure and it sucks that boss specific dops can not be target bu its so much better thna the trade. I mean buying your gear in a game that is all about gamble crafting seems to be silly to begin with.
im so spoiled from how ff14 does it. D:
you have the sales window open, where you enter the quantity and price, and in the same window there are two small icons. With one you look at the market board to check the current price, and with the other you look at the sales of the last few hours.
It doesn't necessarily have to be that way, but I think it would be great if they took inspiration from something like that.
wait i just quit my COF lvl 9 to get Merchant lvl 8 D:
Hopefully they dont take the wrong message from stuff like this and nerf CoF lesving mostly merchant guild unchanged.
Knowing LE devs, they probably gonna find this video and try to fix the issues listed....but in a later date. They've got lots other problems they need to solve atm
To me trading should have the mental effect of every valuable drop adds to your builds strength regardless of whether or not it's for your build. Because you can always sell it to get closer to buying your upgrades. Right now‚ most things are worthless because of all the free stuff.
I said before the release that CoF was going to be way overpowered compared to MG. But I kept getting attacked for that. I went MG as i like trading gear. The limits on MG are just bad and people will end up switching to CoF and that is not the right direction the game should be going.
People kept telling me if trading was open trade then they would have to nerf the drop rates and that is just not true as they increase drop rates for CoF. Bots are not even a thing as favor is stopping the bots. I don't mind the favor part but the rest of the limitation need to go.
If POE can do trade with their super complicated crafting system and do it right then so can Last Epoch and trade is overall good but trading in Last Epoch needs more work.
I feared this outcome from the start.
Hence i went for circle of fortune. But i prefere trading.
This system is really bad. It was a good idea but that is where it ends.
At this point i'm starting to think of just playing offline untill i'm bored of the game as i feel like there is absolutely no reason to even bother playing online. it only gives you lag and loading times.
dropped 2 3lp items from you build while watching it
I just finished the campaign and will def switch to COF while I don't have much rank to lose.
Mg needs better passive rewards and a system that interacts with the player too
Like a reward could be since we our traders
Better chance for affixes when upgraded to crit upgrade or upgrading costs less forgoing potential overall
The upgrades should involve the crafting system we should be wanting to make gear to sell to other players
I play offline and ssf. I dont care about the merchants guild. I would make a auction house where i can put all my stuff in at once and not with a merchant for every different item type. Way to complicated.
well i think i don't have too much problem with ranks, i mesn it is slow to grind (i think it coud be faster), but it's account bond so just need to level up 1 time only, but the favor cost to buy itens should be gone they are too high for buy some itens and i think that favor should't be a limitation to buy, for selling i thing it's fine. i thing the interface wasn't that bad, i mean for me it's better then using a discord, i didn't even trying CoF soo i don't now how behind it's trade