Cocky Taekwondo Blackbelt Destroyed by Muay Thai Legend
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ส.ค. 2022
- The rules favor the cocky taekwondo blackbelt, and yet he still got destroyed by the Muay Thai legend. Why did this happen? In this episode, we explore when a Taekwondo blackbelt champion challenged a great Muay Thai champion, Changpuek Kiatsongrit.
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The rules favor the cocky taekwondo blackbelt, and yet he still got destroyed by the Muay Thai legend.
Why did this happen?
In this episode, we explore when a Taekwondo blackbelt champion challenged a great Muay Thai champion, Changpuek Kiatsongrit.
Yes, he's "the fighter that changed history."
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Muay Thai was invented for the soldiers when they lost their weapons back in the old days. just like krav maga, which is very new but extremely simple to remember yet effective as hell. that's why this black belt will be defeated over and over.
im not sure if the rules favor the TKD. Kyokushin allows knees, low kicks and elbows to the body, none which are available in TKD rules.
The rules favor TDK??? I’m sorry but when is catching kicks and leg sweeping allowed in TKD?
Tkd was used by military and police. It's meant to have hand techniques that set up hard kicks and strong arm strikes, traps and throws and breaks! That wasn't the tkd I was taught by Mr Oliver, Solihull tkd club. His class was serious. Brilliant teacher, martial artist and brilliant atmosphere in the class. As martial arts classes should be all round. What happened? That they dance about trying flash kicks with next to no hands??!!! Lol
Do you not understand how it happen?
Imagine kicking these Thai fighters just for them to smile back at you than proceed to destroy you. 😓
😂😂
I must admit, when u spar as much as we do, I can't help but smile when I get to play with guys who bit off more than they can chew.
It has happened to me in Thailand 25 years ago🥶
So kicks are kind of useless, right? unless to the knee to unbalance somebody and floor him.
@@JustMe-vz3wd you sound uneducated when it come to fighting
My parents put me in karate as a kid. I will never forget when this kid showed up to our sparring class using pure boxing. He mopped the floor with everyone because he hit so hard. Was punching through their guards and he was *fast*. It made me take a step back and focus on practicing the basics over and over.
@Sameer Adithya good lord LMFAO
I take boxing myself too at the moment. I have some experience training in Thai too. Boxing is awesome, however it’s a different ball game in Thai. For me, as can only use fists, boxing is an incomplete art form. It’s almost like a tier system where you’ve got boxing 3rd tier, then kickboxing 2nd tier then Thai at the top. Don’t get me wrong I love training in boxing. However under no illusion that a pro Thai boxer too level would demolish a pro boxer top level.
My main point is, that’s just boxers that turned up to spar. Can you imagine if a group of Thai boxers turned up at karate!
@@martynodonnell8467 i jus started thai and boxing
@@martynodonnell8467 I'd demolish Thai guy with Boxing and wrestling only
Most of it is fighting IQ and not being boxed into one type of style. Even top Thai fighter ms got submitted. It all depends on flexibility and using all tools available. Your greatest weakness is over confidence in your style and being restricted to it. Bruce Lee 101.
I trained in Muay Thai for about 3 months when I was stationed in North Thailand. The thing that cracked me up, even little kids would stand around and scoff at my kick technique. However, when we switched to punching, 180* different response. We are talking about people that even have a sport (takraw) that's all kicking so they've been doing it their whole lives. There is really no way to catch up with that. My instructor's shins were like ironwood.
Taekwondo 🤡 can’t even fight properly, Muay Thai and mma people would wipe the floor with them in an actual fight.
I’ll never forget watching Muay Thai in the stadium in Koh Samui. Rain pouring through the roof, the smell of Tiger Balm, young men and kids kicking and elbowing the snot out of each other. The trainers picking up knocked out fighters and slapping them, using smelling salts or pulling their hair to bring them round to fight again. Blood everywhere, the betting and shouting and the continuous wailing of the pi chawa. Crazy scenes.
I was lucky enough to meet Kiatsongrit in a gym in Thailand in 2003. I was kicking some tyres and he came over and gave me some advice. No ego, just wanted to help a Westerner kick better 😀
U gotta share the advice bruv
It wasn't spoken, he didn't speak English. It was demonstrated in the kick. He wanted me to get my knee higher and lead it across the body then open the hips as much as possible when the strike lands. He was a big guy for a Thai and when he kicked the tyres it was awesome
@@amishrider Most Thais people like to share theirs experience because its our nation's characteristic, i dont know why
@@rattanachaipakcharawong5865 Thai people are amazing!
@@rattanachaipakcharawong5865 As a Thai .. I suspect there are many factors. 1. We are quite friendly people in general. 2. We never colonized so we also haven't had too many negative experiences with Westerners. 3. Most Thai people are not wealthy enough to travel to the West, so most of the things we know about the West would come from movies. So to be able to interact with foreigners is also in a way a chance to experience something that prior they could only imagine through Hollywood movies. ^^
Early 1990s for Muay Thai in Thailand was a weird era. Back then, after Changpuek crush Rick Roufus on TV back in the 80s, there was a race going on between Japanese Kickboxing, Karate and Taekwando gym to promote their style and attract Thai potential practitioner. Because of this, there was a brief decline in Muay Thai popularity as training in those arts are "cool and awesome" especially since Hongkong and Chinese movie which starring a protagonist using those arts were dominant in Thai media. However, this exact fight would become what "kill" Taekwando in Thailand. For a while the Taekwando throughout Asia are trying to promote itself as an art that could defeat Japanese Kickboxing in the ring. So when Changpuek, the legend who defeated Rick Roufus and one of few Muay Thai fighter who could defeat a fighter using different art at the time, beat that Taekwando guy on TV again. It quickly kill people interest in Taekwando and kickstarting Muay Thai massive popularity in the country.
thats awesome history thanks for sharing John!
@@LawrenceKenshin his full name is Johnsapek Carterpeenong
Well said
it's funny how all the marketing magic in the world can't beat the cold hard facts that muay thai whoops ass.
To be fair rick roufus did hurt Changpuek but yea he ultimately got fucked up.
Lawrence Kenshin got me interested in Muay Thai, what a legend. Been doing it for the past 9 months. Best thing ever!
Had a friend who did Taekwondo.
Was out at a nightclub with him and he thought he was the hardest man in that club……..He was stone cold sober, because “he didn’t drink due to his commitment to his training.”
He started a fight with some steaming drunk guy, who was half his size……The drunk guy punched him once, broke his jaw and sent him to the hospital 🤦🏻.
Damn! Was the drunk guy a martial artist himself?
@@amarnathcr7335
No.
Just a random drunk guy who was 5ft nothing and like 9 stone 😂
Did u c the kung-fu Chinese film named 'The Drunken Master', starred Jackie Chan.🤣
cool story bro🤭
Cool or not, a very believable story. And I've seen similar things happen several times.
I always loved the simple power of muay Thai - no gimmicks or flashy moves, just unrelenting brutality.
I loved learning it and every technique is completely useful in any situation
It based from real MARTIAL/war thing, it was founded for to fight for life or death against a war enemy without weapons. If someone wants to punch and kick you to death you dont need freaking mambo jambo moves.
most suitable for street fights
@@drhkleinert8241 Muay Boran. Now that is some cool shit
@@diljeet6435 true! almost everyone whos untrained would get rattled when being elbowed and kneed unrelentingly. what more those leg and body kicks wiw!
I train kickboxing and I do look up to muay thai often.
11 years of Taekwondo experience, and I completely agree 😂
I enjoyed practicing it for what it is, but I would never pretend to be able to hold my ground against an experienced practitioner in Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu, MMA or something else with actual practical fighting capabilities.
I'd bet for you against Jiu Jitsu if you were using the same rules in this video.
I love hearing this from people who love taekwondo.
Allot of its practitioners feel insulted when i tell them that its honestly one of the "less good" MMA arts.
And i mean that as no insult.... its just if you had a fight bracket where every style is supposed to measure up against anothers... i feel taewondo would get a bad ranking with all the respect possible.
I have almost the same experience when i tell people that BJJ only works in a 1vs1 in a street fight and even then theres still rules in BJJ that keep you safe whilst your grappling.
People just get wayy to butthurt about their crafts having negative aspects.
For example everything i just said about taekwondo is true, but it still has some very good moves that can be used AND just on a surface level maybe most people find spinning shit cool - so thus taekwondos anesthetic also shines thru compared to other arts
Props to you to see beyond the "romance" part of martial arts. Some martial arts are more for education, some are for killing or be killed.
I utterly de-romaticized martial arts for myself 😂 I don't like all the mysticism, and personally I never trained it to be well equipped for self defense, to win titles, or to forge my spirit or whatever some purple will call it. I enjoyed it as a sport and was mostly focused on "kata" (we used to call it "hyong", but I think today they say "tul").
I mean... they always pretend like Taekwon-Do has a rich, centuries old tradition, which is utter bullshit. It's simply the name (given probably due to its superficial resemblance to Taekyon, an actual old traditional Korean martial art that has NOTHING to do with Taekwon-Do) that was in the 1940's given to the newly unified schools of Tang Soo Do, which wasn't much more than what the Koreans made from Japanese Shotokan-Karate, which was what the Japanese made in the 1920's when they took Okinawan Karate and enriched it with the athletic kick techniques of Savate to make something to rival the popularity English boxing had had in Japan in that time (for very much nationalist reasons).
So not only is the tradition of Taekwon-Do hardly older than 100 years max (if you're very generous), its main characteristic is not even Korean but French. It's just been handed through two Asian cultures who added a lot of revisionist nationalist crap.
Lemontarts01 You just got to face the facts. People are always so protective of their particular martial art and think it's the best and measure others with their standards. Of course I used to be the same, but then I grew up 😂
Ironically my teacher actually did try and put a lot more focus on realism than usual. We weren't the Olympic style and neither were we really ITF, with my teacher having learned what he called "traditional Taekwon-Do" in the 60's from two teachers who both had an extensive background in other martial arts (Aikido and American kickboxing, respectively), so we ended up with a lot of self-defense stuff that is no actual part of Taekwon-Do and we did extensive sparring with hands to the heads and everything.
AND STILL I think we would hardly stand a chance in MMA or something similar. We might have a better defense than other TKD groups, but I found out myself that we are utterly unequipped to deal against grappling (man, that judo guy sure sent me flying...) and I sure as fuck don't want to be kicked by a Muay Thai practitioner 😅
It's always impressive how almost any martial art can be useful when you add other martial arts to make up for its weaknesses. Aikido isn't particularly useful for self-defense on its own (and its not really meant to be), but it really taught me how to use torque and body control when I moved into karate, muay Thai, and jujitsu. Most of my partners really struggled with locks and throws.
set your opponent up for a clean throw is a challenge for me.
Non-grapplers are so incredibly helpless in grappling situations with anyone who has grappling experience, I'm not surprised Aikido was enough. But what you did to those non-grapplers, a Judoka can do to you in the first 3 months of training. Especially if they've trained for even one tournament.
@@screwgoogle4993 - Cool story.
Steven Seagal is an aikido master. He could beat up any Muay Thai fighter
@@reynaldoflores4522 - Steven Seagal uses a lot more then Aikido when you see him in movies. You don't really "beat up" people with Aikido (although you could it you were using weapons).
The liver shot at 2:48 was devastating. If you’ve ever felt one you relived it watching
Isn't a liver shot on the front right side?
@@-V33- you can effect the liver from the front, side or back. It just peaks out beneath the false ribs on that side. I can attest from personal experience about being hit in the side. It hurts like nothing else.
@@Chris-pb3se Wow I didn't know that, that's some useful info it seems like such a fragile spot. Thanks!
I pooped and my knees buckled. RIP my MCL 1996
my first muai thai class i had to hold a pad for an experienced guy. everytime he kicked it it was like being hit by a car. i was a black belt kickboxer and got humbled fast by muai thai
Then Rodtang Jitmuangnon got humbled by mma fighter Demetrious Johnson. Mighty Mouse introduced Rodtang to a Rear Naked Choke.
All that Muay Thai training is awesome and their conditioning is among the best, their legs go through brutal conditioning. But you still need to train wrestling and grappling to go with it. It is difficult to kick and strike when another fighter has your back and is sinking in a rear naked choke.
@@AlexZander688 This is true for MMA, any striker who neglects to master a ground style martial art is destined to lose once his arse hits the mat.
Same when I was holding a pad for my instructor. He hits hard. You can just feel it trough the pad after like 10 hits my leg started to numb a little. Imagine what would be without the pads. Lmao.
@@AlexZander688 Johnson is way above average. Muay Thai fighters would destroy +99% of the population.
And I know wrestlers who say Kicks do Zero damage 😂 show them this
Changpuek is a machine. He was my padman in 2007 when i trained in Thailand and even though he had a drinking problem and hadn't trained seriously anymore for a long time, we would do some soft sparring sometimes and his shins would go right through everything. I can't even imagine he would kick at full power; it would have destroyed me.
In a way it was quite sad that he would roll out of bed, you could smell the booze on his breath, and he had barely anything left of the era where he became a muay thai legend. He only had his old clips of fights on CDs and was allowed to hold on to his last name (which is normally the name of the gym he works at).
That sounds tragic; you’d think for a legend like him he would hv retired comfortably with his winnings and enjoying life as a trainer. I suppose alcohol ruined all that
@@austinsavage its quite a common thing in Thailand, where very young kids start fighting and send a good part of their winnings to support their (grand-) parents. They never really learn how to handle money and really live in the moment without any concerns about the future. Join a gym, go to the fights in a big stadium, and right after they all go to a bar and hire some women for the evening. After a big fight they often have a week off training, and at the end of the week all their winnings will be gone.
Muay thai is a way to escape poverty and its mostly low-educated kids from "upcountry" (agricultural provinces) that start training.
At some point their body gives out, or their trajectory up is going down and their income starts to dwindle. Without many skills many end up becoming a padman (trainer) at a gym and using their fighting experience to coach the next generation (or they go back to their province and do simple jobs there). That certainly does not pay well, think a few hundred baht a training (2 rounds a day). Alcohol is always within reach, and drinking is quite normal with trainers. Its a way to escape reality and handle their lives.
It doesn't always end up this way. Last year I upgraded my internet and the installation guy had some time to kill when his buddy was changing connections a few km away so he could check the speeds here when done. He noticed some of the pics I had up and began telling (in English, which is quite surprising already) about how he once was a muay thai fighter as well. He had the pics of him with a title belt on his phone. And now he is installing internet for AIS in Phuket. Thats quite a decent job which requires some technical skills.
I've also trained in gyms where the champion did very well and stayed very level headed. They are super friendly, approachable, and support their family. They don't drink, some become part owner of the gym and earn with every foreigner coming by, and they seem genuinly happy.
@@austinsavage there is no money in mma or kickboxing
@bo xer they definitely have the striking skills for it. But there's no good native grappling trainers in Thailand. They'd have to travel, and most these prospects don't have the money for that to begin with.
@@patrickjones8255 Yes, and Islam and Charles are two of the most elite Muay Thai practitioners in the UFC; but they also have NEXT LEVEL skills (sambo and BJJ) to back up their elite Muay Thai, so even more elite strikers like Gaethje and Dustin found it very difficult to take out people like Islam and Charles.
The reason neither Islam nor Charles will be as good as those legendary Muay Thai guys in Thailand is that rules in MMA mean you can't do 100% Muay Thai; you must drop some feature of it, so you'd have room for MMA features.
But in pure Muay Thai form, Islam is just above everyone else.. Charles Muay Thai is deadly, too; but he is very rigid, not fluid like Islam when it comes to throwing first, elbows, knees, legs, etc.
What makes Islam's Muay Thai even more fluid is that he also integrated elite classic Western boxing upper body movements: bobbing, weaving, back and forth, rapid and great lateral movements, if he must get away from a certain hairy situation... Or he could just clinch and implement his next level wrestling, which is a perfect combination of Division I, Judo, and BJJ...
When I was practicing taekwondo many years ago there was a guy from a kickboxing guy who entered our gym as a new student. My instructor wanted to test him and sent me as a sacrificial lamb to spar with him. Good thing I wore a head gear cause when the sparring began he immediately elbowed my head and I got knocked down hard on the floor and would have passed out from the impact if I didnt wear head gear. He went through my defense and it really reinforced my thoughts on a lot of deficiencies in taekwondo. After a few weeks I left and studied under someone who knew old school karate while also being trained to be a stuntman since it wasn't a formal gym but a stuntmam troupe. It was the best experience I had and the tough guys there were very nice to me.
It looked like a sparring match with a regular and some guy who came to the Gym in a fancy Karate suit. Give him credit for taking all those hits and kicks and getting right back up, that in itself was impressive.
Any so-called martial artist who adopts a "Cocky" attitude has failed to understand the most basic principles of martial arts! Self-discipline and respect for both self and for all others! Martial arts are about self-improvement both physically and mentally, this guy has not gotten passed beginner stage as far as i am concerned!
floyd mayweather, roy jones, tyson and ali
@@firstbornIV u mean they are coccky right? If the people mentioned is cocky they have the skill to back it
@@8thsheet407 until they get blasted in the face and people start saying that they were cocky and therefore the blast in the face.
Being cocky and generally is a tactic as valid as any other
@@firstbornIV I think there is a fine line between cocky and arrogant. Being cocky is a tactic, and being arrogant isn't. I'd say Ali, Tyson, and Mayweather are cocky, but the taekwondo guy was arrogant.
He's a technical beginner as well. His complete lack of hand strikes is most telling. In ITF competition, straight and round punches, backfists, knife hand and reverse knife hand strikes are as common as kicks, even while jumping (the jumping punch, the so called ''Superman punch'' of MMA, is a staple even for white belts!).
This guy fights like a WT fighter in an ITF costume, not even remotely like an ITF fighter even of color belt level. Village champion...
Not to mention he had no coaching at all. He went in as a point competitor in a full contact fight. Wasn't even advised to keep his guard up against someone who would punch him in the face. And since low kicks and sweeps were allowed, he should have used them too and prepare against them, especially against a Muay Thai fighter. Not to mention heavy physical and mental conditionning were a must. three evening classes a week with kids will not cut it.
His defeat was inevitable and it didn't even needed a Muay Thai fighter of this caliber to do it. Any half competent one would have trounced him.
Bad attitude and bad preparation. He got what he deserved.
As someone who practices Muay Thai, I will say that everything about conditioning our bodies against damage is true. We have whole rounds dedicated to conditioning where we have to actively take damage from kicks and knees. My right side hits like a freight train and can do a lot of damage if I put all my power and weight into it, unfortunately my left side hits more like a marshmellow and I'm likely going to have to train my left side more so that I can kick just as hard with my left as I do with my right. In fact, I stopped using my shin guards whenever I train on the bags. Only opting for hand wraps and gloves that way my shins get more conditioned to kicking. I got a lot of work to do.
being able to identify areas you need to improve is a skill in itself, good luck my man
I’m guessing sensation in the striking area eventually dies or deadens from the impact, no? Do you feel a loss of sensation in your shins? Asking as someone who hasn’t trained yet.
@@vgman94 If you kick the bags long enough, your shins start to get used to the pain from kicking the heavy bags. Your shins will get stronger the more you practice until your shins are conditioned. It still hurts, just not nearly as bad as it did when I first started. Ignore the asshats here saying shit like "He's soft", everyones gotta start somewhere. In fact, I haven't used the shin guards to train with for a whole month and I usually can't tell a difference. Consistency and repetition is key. The more you do it, the better your shins will be at kicking. Same goes for the rest of your body. The more conditioning you do for other parts of your body, the better you will be at taking damage. Train hard and stay hydrated my friend.
@@Vorophobe Ye, it is. Usually when I get home after sparring or just training in general I kick back in my recliner, rub my shins and think about what mistakes I made and how I can improve. For example, I've noticed some people lower their guard on purpose to bait someone into attacking. And being an aggressive fighter, I tend to move in for the kill if I see someone lower their guard. So I've figured out how to counter someone who is baiting rather than falling for it. Make them come within my striking distance rather than take the bait
If your Muay Thai teacher allows you to wear shin guards for heavy bag training, you should look elsewhere. (Frankly, I think you're making it all up.)
I do not fear the man who knows Thousands of Techniques,
I fear the Man, who practices One single Technique a Thousand Times
- Bruce Lee
So, an actor said this and it is relevant how exactly?
@@ashocck8065 That actor knew what he was saying and he was right. You can't fake competence and when you do, you do it at own peril. Do one thing, but do it well - preferably, better than most.
@@ashocck8065yeah. Bruce Lee was JUST an actor .He didn't study Wing Chun his whole life, or was obsessed with hand to hand combat, or invent his own Martial Art. Nothing like that. He didn't earn the respect and admiration of other martial artists during his lifetime or anything. Arnold Schwarzenegger is an actor as well and I'm sure he knows NOTHING about body building. You should delete your comment before you're made to look even stupider by someone else. I won't see your pissed off, tantrum of a reply to this so don't even bother. Just try to think next time. Smh
@ashocck8065 Bruce Lee was not just an actor. He was also a practicing martial artist, and he taught martial art.
I learnt Tae Kwon do in the RAF back in the early 1970s under a very tough South Korean ex major who fought with the Americans in Vietnam. Back then it was full on contact, we trained incredibly hard and did a lot of destruction. I enjoyed it, especially sparring, it matured me and the disciplined I took on board allowed me to do well in my working career. But I agree with every point made in this video. For quite some time after leaving the RAF I was quite confident I could handle my self in a possible fight and still practised. But when about 33 years old, I stupidly got into an argument which the boyfriend of my and neighbour's wife which turned into a street fight. To my embarrassment, surprise and injury (broken knuckle) found the sparring skills I had were pointless because the speed we were at each other, grabbing like two kids in the playground I found my brain instead of thinking about what moves to make when I used to do competition sparring, instead was telling me "Your too old for this", "What will he neighbours say" and "I’m exhausted, can't breathe", we both stopped and walked away. Ten years I went to work in Bangkok and my Thai friends knowing I had doneTae Kwon Do asked to come down and watched them train, who were just standard office workers. In just a very short time, I could tell they were in a totally different league in terms of martial arts skills, speed, power, fitness, body muscle especially how they were hitting each other on purpose. I was invited to watch proper professional Muay Thai fighting at Lumpinee Stadium and again, I could not believe what I was seeing. So give credit, respect and admiration when it is due and without any doubt this video shows the absolute superiority of Muay Thai over Tae Kwon Do.
And Tae Kwon Do has been much diluted, where Muay Thai has not
Oh yes, I could not agree more, in my second marriage to a Thai women my step-daughter joined my local TKD site, As with other parents, I stood around the entrance, so I could take her home and would watch open mouth, in a state of disbelief at the weak and pathetic kicks and punches of the senior belts. After a while, my step-daughter insisted one of her friend's parents would pick her up, as she could got so fed up with me moaning about what I was seeing.@@enigma9971
When I was in Karate and had a sparring session that day. We had a guy come in who was primarily known for his Jiu Jitsu experience only to find out, he had both boxing/thai boxing experience. During the Sparring Session, I saw my Sa Ba Nim (Instructor) fell on his knees from this guys hard body shots to the ribs. Of course, my Sa Ba Nim got back up and ended axe kicking the dude in the face. NOT EVEN FAZING HIM. For that first time, I lowkey felt fear when sparring against those type of fighters.
You probably know by now that the axe kick is useless in a real fight. Against an experienced fighter it leaves you open to a dangerous counter kick or punch.
@@jerrypanela kicking at all in a real fight is very risky thing to do on the streets. That’s why some kicks such as that are meant to stay on the mats. But in all reality, it really depends on the terrain and whether or not if you have good grip on it. Kicking in grass, gravel or any unpaved surface is a big no no. Kicking in paved surfaces, or indoor places where there’s plenty of grip are a benefit, a little less risky compared to what I listed first. I could go on and on like Joe Rogans Podcast but there’s only so much I can say in these comment sections! Lol
@@jerrypanela Axe shouldn’t be used as an intentional kick, but something that “just happens” like from a missed high kick.
What equipment were you using for practice striking and what rules of sparring you guys did?
@Bird from Hell that’s completely wrong. The only way a kick is dangerous is if u don’t recoil because of the risk of being wrestled/ grappled in the streets, any environment that isn’t wet shouldn’t effect ur kicking balance and shoes have good grip on the streets and grass. It’s scientifically proven kicks are naturally 3 time stronger then punches. No guy in the streets trained or untrained is tanking single or multiple Muay Thai style roundhouse kicks without any pain or injury that’s insanity. The average kicking damage from a guy who weighs 155-160 pounds and above is like 2 broken ribs if used full force and landed correctly. u don’t win street fights by flailing around like an animal using no training or fighting ability whatsoever using pure instinct that’s insane. Combat sports on the street are veryyyyy effective. Simple distance training, Striking, punches and kicks is more then enough defense from being grappled/ wrestled. u don’t magically win street fights by fighting like an animal that’s not how life works
My dad put me into TKD in order to make sure I'm not "complacent and grow up fat". Hands in there were meant to generate more torque and speed as far as I practiced. After I met some good friends who practiced in Muai Thai, BJJ, and Jeet KD, and mixed that with Kyokushin, it was a fantastic experience. They showed me some ropes and we eventually went to gyms together. TKD is great for teaching me speed personally and to be light. But I needed everything else to at least have a chance of holding my own. Personally, mixed is best.
I didn't break my shins tho, that would mess me up
IMHO that is the correct way to mix your martial arts. The modern style called mma ,from what I've seen, is watered down comparatively.
OSU!
@@Deathbird_Mitch Basically mixing other arts on your own is the way to go about it?
Always love you analysis. Great vid
I love watching these videos of Muay Thai boxers taking apart cocky Karate and Tae Kwon Do exponents piece by piece.
I'll never forget when I was learning the shin kick, and not really understanding the physiology, until my instructor got sick of me flailing around and demonstrated on me. It changed everything I knew about fighting.
And then there's that moment when you finally get your hip to turn properly and discover just how much force you can generate.
Rick Rufous got his legs absolutely wrecked in that fight 😂
Yea he did and he learned those techniques and implemented them that day on
@@josephvega3763 Francisco Filho tkod him the exact same way later
yeah, but he did send the muay thai legend to the floor a couple of times, that was impressive.
That spinning front kick knockout in the cage fight clip was BOSS!
Good coverage and intelligent commentary. Well done.
Just by looking at the Title I already knew it wasn't going to be a good outcome for the TKD guy 🤣
😂😂
@@LawrenceKenshin
Does the guy in the video do wtf or itf. If so old or new style?
@@TCSceptre that looks like an ITF uniform. Also his kicks lack the speed and power of good WTF practitioners; i’d wager he s ITF. I was in WTF in the 90s
There s rarely a good outcome for TKD guys lol
@@austinsavage True. I do old style tkd. I’ve noticed it fixed a lot of things that aren’t good about his stance, kicks etc . For one we keep our hands up, we don’t just kick we punch elbow , and knees. Kicks have a lot more power.
The non MT fighters of this era just weren’t on par with the nakmuay as combat athletes. It derived from a hobby for them, the Thais were fighting as a full time job from an early age. Technique aside, the thai fighters had thrown and received 10s of thousands of more blows. The experience…. It was men vs boys
My taekwondo teacher actually told me that TWO is a sport and/or tool for self-development, not an art for self-defense, though it does derive from tang soo do and hapkido which are more combat oriented. He also teaches muy thai and hapkido for defense.
Tkd guy has fast reaction, but doing spinning kicks with back against your opponent, not accustomed to leg grabbing and not accustom to hurting kicks makes him disadvantaged
100%
Also, Olympic-rules TKD especially conditions them to fight with their hands down and not expect head punches.
@@LanChiaoPeng the rule was not allowed head punch. But, TKD guy still lost.
@@LoLoStuff well it was like the tkd guy hands were useless while the Muay Thai guy used his hands wisely to grap the opponent.
Another epic breakdown of a historically significant fighter and interaction that greatly deserves recording. You have a masterful way of telling the stories of these great fighters. It is such a wonderful thing that all of these fighters are getting reported/recorded for the history books in a way that delivers the good and the bad in a respectful way, this is a must for our world. I salute you and the great work you are doing, sir.
Much appreciated, really appreciate your support
So well said! Yes, thank you!
This was a very well presented and interesting video. Great stuff!
thank you 🙏🏽
i love your content.❤️
I would definitely love to learn Muay Thai from him. The man is an absolute legend.
Great video as always. This channel have the same impact on making the muay thai famous as Changphuek and Buakaw. Big thank you from Bulgaria!
thanks so much! hope to visit bulgaria one day!
Huh, this was a random recommendation from TH-cam that actually looked like something i would find interesting and it Was. Nice video 😄👍
Lovely collection and quality editing.
The Muay Thai fighter wasn't even using fists or elbows and still destroyed the Rex Kwon Do guy 😬
more like fuck kwon do
Rex Kwon Do! That's awesome! Vote for Pedro!
It's not fair. . The Muay Thai keeps on holding the pants and shirtsleeves of the other guy.
Yes, i agree. Knees and ellbows are REAL bad and normally allowed, just watch Buakaw and think about what he would do with a TKD or Karate guy. In normal case they arent trained against serious knee and ellbow strikes with full power contact.
@@reynaldoflores4522 what else do you want they already took away punches and elbows from this fight 😂
Another great video as always! Demonstrating just how affective & superior Muay Thai is. Thanks again Lawrence not just for all the latest uploads but all the other great videos you have on your channel. lt really is a gold mine of knowledge & educational in-depth brake downs of striking. The more I browse through your videos the more great content I keep discovering, even after rewatching videos several times I still learn more. Thank you for sharing & giving us all your wonderful insight.🙏🏼
The narrator forgot to mention that you're always at a disadvantage in a fight when wearing your over-sized white, baggy pajamas.
Yay..just subscribed...💕🇲🇾
Keep it up Lawrence! Absolutely love your videos, can't wait for the next!
Thanks a lot Joel! Much appreciated
"I'm going to show you how superior my marital arts is over muay thai but you cant use elbows, clinch, punches and cant hit me above the waist!"
"I show you my TKD is much better than your BJJ, but its not allowed to grab or wrestle me down!"
Thanks for the video. Love it.
That roofus fight was phenomenal
I still watch it like i never seen it before
I love TaeKwonDo. Took it for about 8 years. But there is a world of difference when you train to score points vs training to knock out. TaeKwonDo is more like the fencing of fighting.
Same, taekwondo and karate seems to be more of an art and sports to score in a tournament not to knockdown an oponent
Koreans literally used this to kill Vietcong lol. Y'all just mad bc you went to mcdojos made for kids
Which is why Koreans made Hapkido. The school nearby me has taekwondo, Hapkido, and Gumbdo. Hapkido has grappling aspects as well as boxing aspects like uppercuts and other punches to the head. It also has elbow strikes and knee strikes. I am now of the opinion that, while Hapkido originated from different people than Taekwondo, if you put them together its like pieces to the puzzle.
I have a blue belt in taekwondo. In a street fight, it's only effective against uneducated fighters. But you'll be in trouble if you fight someone who's experienced at fighting, especially at close range. That's why I took up boxing as well.
@@mach3wgamer in order for TaeKwonDo to work outside of the Dojang, you have to first change your mindset. You can't fight like you're sparring. I've seen people defend themselves without using their hands in videos and in person.
I definitely enjoy these vids. Thanks bud.
Thanks a lot for watching !
Good video, keep em coming.
I trained in may thai. I remember I used to keep a log book of damages. Shin splints; skin tears, sore joints. It was hard to do a full week of training. But after a few years, yes, I was conditioned!
Sounds like the same thing Rainman did in the movie.
The conditioning aspect can't be overstated. This is why when Karate came to the west all the karate masters got dropped like flies by local boxers. Perfecting your tecnique by striking the air, or even competing but for points never prepares you for getting punched in the face.
The TKD guy was also clearly defenseless against things like trips and takedowns. It's a big blind spot in most traditional striking martial arts, a TDK fighter who doesn't also study something like Judo has no idea what to do when someone grabs them, Muai Thai is much more eclectic in that regard and more useful as a standalone style.
It depends on what karate, i did full contact karate which is essentially kickboxing
My school is a mixed hapkido and taekwondo school. If someone you, grabs you, you are taught to get out asap.
Striking air only is something crazy - karate uses makiwaras (roped planks) for conditioning and karate was never built for competeing for points ffs!
I used to laugh at Karate but nowadays it's evolving and can be used in the UFC but for Taekwondo and Aikido? These martial arts imo are useless. TKD kicks are just fancy and fast meant for scoring points and not meant for fighting and Aikido is just straight up useless
Loved to see him humble the tkd guy with sweeps.
same
Great video thank you 👍🏻
I've been practicing Muay Thai for 3 years. Having played football(soccer, for those here in united states) in my early years helped me kick REALLY hard.
As a TKD black belt and a former MT practitioner, TKD does have some powerful kicks (side kicks, turning back kicks, turning wheel kicks and axe kicks). BUT, overall, Muay Thai is a MUCH MORE devastating art than TKD.
You show us humility
Alot of people say it's not the art, it's the practitioner
Indeed, plus TKD lacks the boxing aspects. MT more balanced.
@@randallmcgrath9345 tkd does not lack the boxing aspects. It’s the wielded and how they practiced. I’ve done tkd for many years and I’m currently teaching it. I teach how I was taught which was to keep my hands up. Lol it was funny watching people get owned by those who punch very well at competitions. A strong punch could pierce through the chest guard and hit your lung.
@@kihoonyi5190 your school punches to the head? I did taekwondo as well and we did not. We kicked to the head. I am at a new school though which has TKD, Hapkido, and Gumbdo. Hapkido does have uppercuts and boxing aspects as well as elbows, low kicks, and grappling. Hapkido contains many things tkd does not. I assume your school has Hapkido as well?
3:31 the guy does some flashy spinning kick chain, and Saenchai literally just applauds him, like "that was cool, xD nice job buddy. Now let's fight instead. Look at me - I decide when we dance."
The Muay Thai kicks are no joke. I trained hard and was fast with my kung fu kicks. Which could cause respectable damage. During a temporary relocation, I befriended a Muay thai kickboxer and we both were curious about each other's style and strengths. While it's true that my kicks were rapid and I could kick, plant foot and repeat kick faster than his kicks, we opted to see which of us could endure kicks to the side ribs more. Needles to say after a couple of kicks we both agreed our ribs were a stupid idea as we both felt the pain from it. We settled on shin to shin leg kicks and I ended up conceding, because as well as I hardened my shins through special training, I couldn't endure past 8 kicks. It felt like he had steel plates and he displayed no discomfort to the force of our clash. The next day my shins were bruised like when I first started my kung Fu training years before. That was over 30 years ago, and to this day I still have a strong respect for Thai boxers and their training.
This sounds so nooby. If you allowed me to kick you in the ribs even once it would end there. I'm pretty sure i'd crack a rib. Then... shin to shin? Like... wtf were you guys thinking? No well trained fighter would do that. Maybe take hits in the quads back and forth... but why do things so damaging? It doesn't make sense.
I mainly practice full-contact Shotokan Karate but learning a bit of Muay Thai and Judo helps my style out.
Damn. You could just see the power in that guys kicks
The Thai conditioning is unparalleled. Going in cocky is never good either The sidekick is a good kick for countering the leg kick. Great Video
Can't imagine taking a full on Muay Thai kick! 💀
Great content, thanks
Million dollar question for ya, Lawrence.
We will never see it in our lifetimes, but do you feel that in a hundred years or so from now, that the snap roundhouse kick predominant in karate and TKD will go the way of the dino and the styles will adapt the swinging roundhouse kick that is pretty much the signature kick of Muay Thai?
I think we will see a fusion of snap kicks and swinging roundhouses-the way that golden era Muay Thai fighters do it
Old school taekwondo uses the powerful kicks
@@LawrenceKenshin Joe Valtellini has a cool vid juxtaposing the different roundkicks of TKD v Muay Thai. He even shows his fav, which is the blend of both in starting with the speed(bent leg) of a tkd kick but then "snapping" into a stiff Muay Thai leg just before landing like when you clench your first at the end of a punch.
th-cam.com/video/ISS4M9dgt4Y/w-d-xo.html
imo, some of the flashy techniques from karate, TKD, wushu, etc. can be effective _if_ added on top of solid Muay Thai fundamentals and conditioning. Don't get me wrong, the result is still 90% standard kickboxing, but that added versatility isn't a bad thing. We've seen this in MMA especially with fighters like Georges St-Pierre, Lyoto Machida, Stephen Thompson, Yair Rodriguez, Zhang Weili, Rose Namajunas, etc.
@@dutchvanderlinde4653 I was going to comment something similar, but then I realized hardcore Muay Thai fans tend to see things one way, so I didn't. Glad to see not everyone's as dull! I'm guessing I'm one of the only ones seeing TKD being more incorporated into MMA in general. Do people not even watch ONE, UFC, etc?
I once got devastated by a MT guy so hard, I needed to train MT for a few yeurz to become as confident as before.
Went from getting my second degree black belt in TKD to 12 years of Muay Thai training from a star student of the legendary Saekson Janjira that went and started her own Gym, i was even fortunate enough to knock out Saeskons star pupil at my weight who weighed 15 pounds heavier than me at a smoker event who's a national champ with very little fight experience on my books, thanks to her training, i can tell you with absolutely certainty that a muay thai round house is more devastating than anything you've ever experience in any form of combat sport in existence ... I can now throw a low kick that can break someones knee caps after 12 years of constant training after so many years of kicking thai pads and fairtex bags filled with sand that builds up at the bottom like concrete i got shins of steel, in TKD you tap with the tip of your foot but in muay Thai you follow through with your shin into it like your life depends on it, your whole body gets thrown into it ... hips and all ... Over time that creates microfragments in the bone which creates layers of bone density and muscle mass, with the jump roping and running along with squats 4-5 days a day a week, you develop thick muscular legs that when initiatiated makes the biggest dudes on the planet whimper in pain when you kick with all of your strength, the pain of throwing just dissipates after years of abuse, its an interesting development that is fascinating to watch in person, the body works in such mysterious ways and getting to that point is like gaining some kind of weird super powers i still practice to this day on my bag at home 4 days a week and you never lose it the kicks are still as devastating and crazy and i've put on weight and size these days but my technique has sharpened so much i could honestly fight professionally if i didn't have a day job at this point ...i love the sport of Muay Thai, dedicated my life to it and as much as TKD fails in comparison without it the transition would have been a lot harder and its granted me amazing footwork and nimbleness thanks to it, i still throw spinning round house kicks which helped me get the win in my last smoker and allowed me to beat a national champion who was heavier than me at the time, i almost cracked one of his ribs with it which allowed me to put some steam in my punches later on in the third round and get the knock out ... I'll never forget that day, that day i visualized and accomplished what i thought i wasn't ready for all thanks to my team and my coach who gave me the training and tools to achieve ...here's the video i'm in the red trunks th-cam.com/video/DqRAo_mwdks/w-d-xo.htmlsi=dpci9I_epJ0HPZr1
Nice work My man. Everything on point. Well observer and explained . And yes god dammit, i enjoined it👌👌💯
You're the best Lawrence, keep up the awesome work brother x
Never fight if you only can do taekwondo, it become more useless every time. Lack pressure test and clinch is very risky.
Yes. Sport Taekwando will get you killed in a real fight. Rush in with you hands down and see what happens.
@SupremeEgyptianGodsMan I don’t know much beside taekwondo, lucky I train at the end of power era and the kicking technique really help me when train muay thai to add variation line to my round house.
Narrator is correct. The higher the kick, the lower the power. Spinning kicks are indeed a high risk technique.The reward can be high return, but they often leave you pretty much wide open. I did Tae Kwon Do in the 80s. It was frustrating to lose to people whose kicks looked pretty, but had no power. The 'black belt' guy is obviously used to 'point' fighting.
Hw definitely fill up the points of embarassment. 😅
Taekwondo guy: "Hey... I never rehearsed that move in class!"
I remember Buakaw just annihilating japanese kickboxing and smiling and being humble while doing so. Muay thai is a brutal humbling martial art. You can see it reflected in its practioniers. Brutal yet humble.
Taekwondo and traditional MA kicks do have a place in MMA though, in kickboxing the distance is much closer and there's less movement because of the ring and no takedowns, there's as many karate and tkd stylists as Muay Thai in MMA.
I don't see TKD stylists in MMA -- I see some TKD kicks used at times but it's hardly a TKD style in the ring.
Definitely not as many. MT is also predominant in MMA because it includes the clinch too.
@@southtxguitarist8926 I hear you. I don't think any of them could say TKD is their mainstay. I glance at Yair Rodriguez's highlights and very quickly I see heavy Muay Thai round kicks and front kicks.
@@southtxguitarist8926 Anderson Silva is not a TKD based fighter. He trained TKD but he also trained many other styles. Using some tkd kicks here and there is not a tkd 'style'.
Pettis is based on non-Olympic taekwondo.
@@southtxguitarist8926 I'm brazilian myself. Silva never came close to competing on the Brazilian TKD team, he never got the credentials for that. He trained many other arts and his basic skills weren't from taekwondo.
Many people start its MA journey with taekwondo, it's not a new thing, but it doesn't mean they're taekwondo fighters in their own merit.
Did anyone else's legs hurt after watching this? 😂 Excellent analysis, thanks for uploading this.
Thanks for the video glhf
4:55 I think this has changed now, the most Thai talent still is around 130 but there's quite a few excellent 155lb fighters from Thailand nowadays (Sittichai, Buakaw, Pethmorakot, Superbon...), I'd imagine Thailand's average height has grown since the 90's as their economy has grown.
155lbs is the weight most men in the west would be if they were in-shape athletes given average height is ~5"8 or 9
Good to see someone finally touching on what actually makes muay thai so effective - the brutal conditioning
It's not just jogging and kicking sandbags
There are muay thai practitioners who literally kick trees and have their torso beaten by sticks to condition their shins and body
The "training", if it can be called that, can be only described as brutal and inhumane
But yes, it clearly works, it's the reason why muay thai fighters are so tough
This also proves that in fact they are martial arts superior to others. You see when we talk about martial arts with mostly talk about the fighting aspect of it meanimg that those martial arts that train for combat are superior to those who focus on perfomance and forms. Sure people said that it depends on the purpose of the art but again when people talk about martial arts most of the time people focus on their fighting effectiveness.
@@gersonencarnacion3744 If your primary focus is "fighting effectiveness", you learn how to use a gun
@@hiyukelavie2396 I meant hand to hand combat of course , rememeber we are talking about the people who want to start martial arts to learn how to fight, they dont think about using a gun.
@@gersonencarnacion3744 It's still the same. If your goal is to fight, then arm yourself. No amount of muay thai is going to help you when you are up against someone with a gun or even a machete. Or when you are outnumbered
It's the reason why trained fighters all say that the correct way to deal with a situation is to de-escalate and avoid having to fight
@@hiyukelavie2396 Actually you bringing that gun argument is irrelevant to this conversation because using a gun to fight is not is not fighting is murdering or killing in self defense. Im talking about the effectifness of fighting styles which dont include guns. What I mean by fighting effectiveness is that you will be able to come out on top in a fist fight if it were to be necessary , I never said that people should or that want to get into fights by trainig martial arts.
can you give the link for the fight against this guy: 5:24?
The way I was anxious for him with his hands down knowing full damn well how hard that Mauy Thai round house can be.
I remember being in taekwondo as a kid, and learning crescent kicks an axe kicks. The only thing that ever went through my head is how are useless this attack would be in any situation
Some of the more abstract techniques require more practice to really figure what they're used for and then you take into account your own predilection, psychological, build, etc. and can just do for the athletic benefit but take it no further.
I mean I'm sure someone out the likes palm strikes and has trained them more than jabs so they're comparable but jabs are more efficient and easier to weaopnize.
A crescent kick can be very useful if you are one of the few that are flexible and tall. Axe kicks too. Both cause knockouts quite easily. Axe kicks to break collar bones are very common.
@@SenpaiTorpidDOW absolutely, but they leave you vulnerable for too long and since I had been fighting in school it just never fit into any realistic fighting patterns.
Axe kick is more of a collar bone breaking kick or a keep away tactic. Crescent is also more keep away, The only fancy kick I would ever think of doing in a street encounter is narraban tbh. Other then that I’m staying with Roundhouses and front kicks in a street fight.
@@thotslayer9922 I think side kicks are actually very powerful. Pivot slightly to the side and instead of counter-crossing, counter side kick onto the side of the attackers knee.
From there you can move in for strikes or takedown.
Side kicks to the lower ribs and sternum are okay, but getting more risky the higher you go for less reward.
Where do you get the older footage of Muay Thai fights
in the secret mountains of changmai
@@LawrenceKenshin that secret place is a death trap
Go on "muay thai scholar" yt channel
@@FCar-hx6uf will do thank you 🙏🏽
I heard Muay Thai scholar comes to Lk?
some of the things i learned in mixed martial arts is - NEVER - underestimate your opponent, treat them as the bigest threat you will ever face AT THAT MOMENT and NEVER confuse arrogance with confidence.
I used to live in Thailand and I saw many Thai Fighting bouts! They are awesome fighters!
Their training is unbelievable..... they use bamboo poles as punching and kicking bags and their fitness training is beyond compare!
There is a reason you don't see many Thai trained Thai fighters in MMA or the UFC ....... they consider it inferior!
🦂💘 Thailand
When watching these vids, and read the comments I am always amazed that in 2022 with internet connecting everyone, a lot of people still don't think eclectic when it comes to martial arts. At the end of the day it is all hands and feet you strike with there is no such thing as better than this etc. Respect the history and culture behind each and every style -contemplate, integrate and innovate to become the most complete version of a fighter you possibly can and want to be.
All of these fights really boil down to the low kick. He was getting destroyed by Roofus but he was tough and able to stay standing and deliver those leg kicks which eventually ended Roofus.
I have to say that i applaud the tykondo guys attitude . A smile always on his face and hiding away his pain
😆
You should never attack without considering how the opponent will react, or counter attack. Taking into account the environment, such as if you are near a rope, or turnbuckle, is in this case important too.
As an alternative, sometimes you need to be willing to walk right into a punch or kick so that you can land a blow of your own. It's risky, but if you have high power blows, it can be rewarding to quickly deliver high damage output to the opponent, and hopefully end the fight quickly.
Thais have the hardest shins. Those who fought Thais will know 😅😂
TKD would be a great sport if they simply made it full contact whilst maintaining their rule sets which emphasize fast kicks, kicking high and even flashy kicks. That rule is simply no kicks below the waist but you can kick and punch anywhere else as hard as you want.
Agreed !
Thats was how it use to be for full-contact 'kickboxing'. It used to be kicks only above the waist. Then western boxers came in and took them all apart. So they changed the rules to have a minimum of eight kicks above the waist thrown per round... so some boxers just stood in corner at sound of bell and threw 8 bad kicks above waist then went out and destroyed the kickboxer.
It wasn't until the Kiatsongrit v Rufus match where it highlighted the destruction of the leg kick that they became legal and standard and finally boxers were not able to compete.
So that answers your question - it used to exist, but was proven to be useless and rules evolved.
Reality is, TKD is only good against other TKD's and 'tip-tap' point scoring formats.
@@leagreenall5972 I've always said that a elite boxer who knows how to low kick and check kicks would be much harder to deal with than an elite kickboxer.
@@mrt445 That's how it used to be. Here in Australia, the old school kicks above the waist was called 'Australian Rules', while the use of leg kicks were called 'USA Rules' ... then Muay Thai came in and there were 3 classes - C - basically modern K1 rules... B- Class, Full Muay Thai except no elbows ,... A-Class or World Rules - Complete Muay Thai Rules.... this was all about late 80's early 90's.
Though experience has shown me that most boxers never learn how to low kick and especially defend against them... while good kickboxers and Muay Thai fighter have and do become world class boxers.
That is the WT Taekwondo, Olympic style, rule set is though. All these TKD fighters trying to prove something come from ITF which competes with a no full contact rule set. The modern Era WT has electronic scoring so the meta in competition is less power more accurate and quick kicks. However the full contact still applies and KO's are win conditions.
Excellent video ❤
being a blackbelt in taekwondo is like being the manager of a mcdonalds : its not going to help you win a fight.
Muay Thai is such a tyrannical art. It's practitioners move like they're blessed. I want to further incorporate it's techniques into my style.
actually not only style that you will gain..the difference of muay thai(same with boxing, mma) is that they also prepare the fighter unlike different arts they only perfecting the style and not the body itself..
Great , Thank You Sir
Excellent video.
I've always found it interesting how other martial artists only want to fight Muay Thai fighters under modified rules.
Yeah, essentially what they are saying is “I’ll fight you but under my rules” then usually the other martial artists still ends up getting owned.
@bo xer I take it you mean UFC, or Bellator, and why we don’t see Thais competing. The number one reason to do with why we don’t see Thais in organisations such as UFC, more often is to do with tradition. In Thailand a Thai fighter will start training and fighting in Thai, before the age of 10. They will have many fights and retire around their mid 20s. That’s Thailand tradition when it comes to Muay Thai. Very few of them break away from this tradition. MMA and UFC are very modern inventions which don’t have the same prestige over in Thailand as they do here in the west. Outside of Thailand, there have been many fighters who have had and do have a Thai background who compete in UFC or MMA. MMA takes the approach of using techniques and skills from all martial arts. For competitors it’s very much a take what applies to you and leave the rest, the same applies to the fighters who use Thai. The fighters will be grounded in Thai, however may use elements of TKD and Karate too, for instance. Thai is the most popular stand up when it comes to MMA, due to it utilising all 8 limbs and the clinch, much more efficiently than any other martial art. However, and this goes for any traditional stand up martial art, for a style to work in MMA and UFC they need to also learn a ground martial art, which teaches takedowns and submissions. No martial art is complete and Thai lacks ground game. However any ground martial art, such as Brazilian Jiujitsu or wrestling lacks any real striking.
@bo xer I don’t think it is to be honest. I think it’s the fact that other martial arts need to change the rules when fighting against Thais, they refuse to fight under Thai rules. Other martial artists when going up against Thais will for instance not allow blows to the head, not allow elbows or not allow the clinch or all three. Then if they do win take the bragging rights. The fact other martial arts won’t fight Thai under Thai rules, is an automatic win for Thai. After all it’s supposed to be Thai VS another style, in these type of fights. Not limited or very limited Thai style vs other style. Surely it’s about finding out which style comes out on top. This can only happen if both opponents are allowed to utilise everything in their arsenal.
@bo xer yes and there are Thais who fight in MMA, as I’ve outlined in my reply to you above. Thai is the most successful and popular form of stand up in MMA.
@bo xer rodnang is one of them i think
With the caveat that I'm not well versed in ITF or WTF TKD rules, I'm wondering why excessive spinning attacks aren't getting punished in TKD more. Even if one can't use all the tools a Nak Muay has to punish them, using a front kick as a counter seems like a good way to beat the spinner to the punch. Well, the foot punch anyway
In WTF TKD, you’re not allowed to kick your opponent in the back; that s where a front kick usually hits when someone s doing a spinning kick. I assume ITF has the same rule and maybe this match too. Also if u dont time it right, against a high level TKD guy a spinning kick will instantly KO you vs a front kick that at most will knock ur opponent to the ground. The risk vs reward is just not worth it unless ur timing is perfect with ur front kicks
Gunboxing The most effective Fighting I've heard of
Lol
TKD has become a mere entertainment over the years. Board breaking, flashy kicks, insane acrobatics, etc
I practiced Mui Thai into my late 20’s.
I became a police officer in my early 20’s
I’ve actually been hit full force in my ribs with a baseball bat, I’d much rather take the bat than a kick from a pro Thai fighter.
come on mate, that sounds f@#$en stupid!
(watches a few videos on how muay thai train)
ok i'm sorry mate, i see what you mean hahaha
@@MrQ12elve I actually quit because I couldn’t take the abuse and work full time.
Just the daily workouts were too much for this American.
@@TheGentlemanRougeScholar haha I was joking about you rather getting hit by a baseball bat than getting kicked by a Muay Thai haha, but I'd quit to if someone hit me with a baseball bat and I wasn't allowed to shoot them haha
@@MrQ12elve I quit Thai, I stayed a cop for another five years before I met my wife and changed careers for her sanity.
Being a cop was the coolest job I’ve ever done.
I’m a diesel mechanic now and make twice the money and sleep at night.
Recently I started looking for a gym that is less demanding on my time but still let’s me fight.