EV charger issues In The UK

Check out how bad the Charging network is in the UK

[@amolaksinghsunnerd4999]

Compare this to regular petrol/diesel and one can see why people are apprehensive to change.

[@stevem7508]

Imagine a senior citizen trying to do all this this is ridiculous

[@paulwilliams5013]

Indeed..but in all fairness, many senior citizens today grew up in the computer age..It's the BS older people can't stand!

[@robburrows2737]

I'm a senior and driving EV is a piece of piss.

[@ctsungyi1984]

thanks a lot man. I am a components provider for EV chargers. You made some great points, the quality and reliability have to improve, it's indeed frustrating for people always on the road!

[@MrSheymie]

Thanks for telling the truth. 54 miles range is atrocious.

[@jamesinbradford5882]

I couldn’t cope with the hassle of charging, filling up with petrol is a pain but plugging in so awful !

[@lancethrust9488]

IMAGINE IF THE BAD GUYS SHOW UP AND YOU HAVE ZERO RANGE , OR FAMILY EMERGENCY EVS WILL COST LIVES FOR THE LACK OF RANGE AND TIME TO RECHARGE , AS WELL AS WEIGHING AN EXTRA TON MAKING COLLISIONS WAY MORE DANGEROUS ADDED THAT YOUR SITTING ON LITHIUM WHICH IS WAY MORE DANGEROUS THAN TNT !!!

[@mondotv4216]

@@lancethrust9488 Hey buddy - turn the caps lock off and the paranoia down!

[@lancethrust9488]

@@mondotv4216 YOU LIBERAL FRUIT CAKES DONT LIKE FACTS

[@johnsheehan7770]

Your car automatically brakes when you get to near to an oncoming vehicle's as for plugging in it's like plugging into a USB port. By the way, petrol is flammable!

[@lancethrust9488]

@@johnsheehan7770 NEEDS OXYGEN TO IGNITE WHILE LITHIUM CAN IGNITE UNDERWATER WITHOUT OXYGEN SUPER DANGEROUS , VERY UNSTABLE ATOMS AND MOLECULES ,,, SORRY ITS JUST THE LAWS OF THERMO DYNAMICS SOMETHING YOU EV CRAZIES CANT FATHOM !!!

[@paulleonard1296]

This is the reason my EV ownership lasted less than 4 weeks. This was two years ago, people keep telling me it's getting better but it doesn't look like it. The cars are great but if you can't charge them they're useless.

[@craigbutler6243]

why couldnt you charge in the evenings & night time at home? surley that would be enough time for adequately milage for the next day?

[@paulleonard1296]

@@craigbutler6243 sometimes I needed to drive further in a day than the 100 mile range of the car.

[@craigbutler6243]

@@paulleonard1296 gotcha. What a pain in the arse

[@handlesarefeckinstupid]

@@paulleonard1296 100 mile range? Ok. Why not buy a car with more range then?

[@magisvita2937]

@@paulleonard1296 why did you get a car with such small range ??

[@sinetwo]

I totally feel your frustration here. I'm getting anxiety just thinking about charging on a slow charger, miles away, and being on low charge. It's total bullshit.

[@greglewis-brown4109]

Had the same Instavolt issue. Called the helpline and they advised to leave it returned to cradle for at least 10 seconds before retrying session. That seems to fix it

[@donaldanderson6604]

Thanks for the warning about Instavolt. What a ripoff. My phone is full of apps and wallet gull of extra cards. I use Podpoint and they are generally OK. Until every charger is contactless with no apps, then EVs will never succeed.
The trouble is that politicians have no idea.
My Peugeot app is mad.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

It’s not just instavolt genie do it too I’m sure podpoint put a £90 hold on my cash card the other day because the app wasn’t working I had to tap my card the whole setup is awful and it’s not even cheap anymore

[@20momina]

I ran out of battery the first day I got it in the middle of a dual carriageway. Was stuck on P automatic transmission. My breakdown was taking long to come and the police then had to recover my vehicle into their compound and I had to pay a release fee plus recovery plus get my recovery to take it to a charge point after. Now I’m in the process of selling this vehicle.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Terrible we are just Guinea pigs for testing out vehicles, diesel for me next

[@geoffersvoiceofreason2534]

You can hardly blame the car or infrastructure for you not keeping an eye on the State of Charge on the car.

[@Pantha51]

85 miles (supposedly), i will stick to petrol as long as i can. I can get to southampton and back from Telford (344 miles approx) on a full tank, which takes about 5 mins to put in. NO CONTEST.

[@paulwilliams5013]

..and your fuel tank gets lighter the further you go..unlike EV batteries which stay virtually the same weight charged or discharged.

[@robri]

Just a point here. Dont run your car till its a quarter full. You will get better fuel economy if you keep it topped up. The reason being, if you run the car till its a quarter full it creates a large air space in the tank that causes petrol evaporateion. So the experts say. @@paulwilliams5013

[@johnweston1570]

very frustrating when the charging infrastructure is not up to scratch

[@LondonSteveLee]

Of course the other thing EV drivers don't mention is - COST - at some motorway service stations the cost of electricity per kWh works out to be much more expensive than petrol - even at today's elevated fuel prices!

[@Dilo_Jaan_Se]

I like your straightforward talk against thieves

[@johnsheehan7770]

I live in Prestwich, there's four in Tesco, Prestwich, there are more than 10 chargers at the petrol station in Prestwich just before getting on the motorway there are 4 near the tram station so things have improved.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

The ones in Tesco you can sit there for an hour and they will add around 2 miles to your vehicle they are a waste of time the super chargers at the garage are good but 10 chargers plus 2 at Morrisons that are always broke make 12 chargers for prestwich, Whitefield, and I used to drive up from kersal so in the 2 years since I left the uk and that garage was building those chargers before I left the network has added 10 chargers, my friend that is a disgrace bury has around 200,000 people imagine if 20% went to electric cars 40,000 people and 12 chargers

[@peteg400]

Shocking! I feel anxious just watching this. Great video!

[@leonardshand7845]

How is running your fridge on electricity less green than charging your electric vehicle? Especially if all the electricity comes through the same grid.

[@hazzard8760]

The changeover to electric by 2030 ain't gonna happen. Yes, sure the cars will be available, but It will be deferred at some point in the next few years when they realise that the infrastructure to support the switchover will not be ready by a long way. Where are the large scale road works right across the country in every high street in every town digging up roads laying the high voltage cables needed to provide the charging structure for millions of cars, let alone people that live outside of large towns in the countryside. The current grid system is nowhere near capable of supporting a mass changeover . Think of the infrastructure in providing HS2 and then multiply it by 50.

[@johnkeepin7527]

Whilst the National Grid can probably cope with it, the local distribution network might be more awkward. A year or so ago, the DNO for my area dug the roads up and installed new buried cable, on account of cable faults - but they did not increase the capacity of it to cope with a huge increase in EV charging demand. I think if every house in the street wanted it, they wouldn’t let it happen unless there was some kind of automatic control over who could use it at any time. This might be of interest - especially the notes almost at the end of it: th-cam.com/video/LS8VFhRMsYY/w-d-xo.html It’s about 5 minutes.

[@chrisp7839]

I wasn't aware that we have to change to electric in 2030. As far as I know there will be no new cars at that point, but who buys new cars ? Most of us will still get all the petrol/diesel cars we want, and they'll be around for years.

[@hazzard8760]

@@chrisp7839 Where you not aware? As from 2030 all NEW vehicles sold will have to be electric? I think you are perfectly well aware but just trying to be clever in suggesting my comment was inferring that all (EXISTING) vehicles will have to CHANGE to electric. You know perfectly well thats not what I meant at all. but you chose to interpret it that way. Never mind...

[@chrisp7839]

@@hazzard8760 What is going to happen, is, people will not need to buy electric cars. But they will not want petrol ones. It will be hard to find places to fuel them, parts will be expensive, and many people will find taxis cheaper than owning a car anyway, and a lot less bother.

[@redtiger6047]

Good one and when you get there it doesn't work or in use unless you go early in the morning.

[@mickhursey4802]

I feel your pain, it's absolute shit! Companies like Morrisons and local councils all love to boast about how wonderful they are for installing chargers, but when they go wrong they do F**K all about it on top of which they completely ignore any emails of complaint. As for trying to drive long distances, it's a bloody nightmare nowhere near enough chargers and those that are installed don't bloody work..

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

The best chargers are at Aldi and Lidl I have never seen one out of order yet !

[@johnkeepin7527]

My local branch of Morrisons has installed two in the store car park. I’ve noticed one of them being used recently - by a Tesla car. I think it’s not a cheap one, though; most of the regular customers that did have an EV would probably charge at home.

[@mickhursey4802]

@@johnkeepin7527 I diverted off the A11 to get a charge at the Wymondham branch of Morrisons, when I got there I found the CCS cable was missing from the the machine and after talking with a local driver I was told it had been like it for months. I wrote emails to them to ask if they could advise when it would be sorted and I was completely ignored.

[@Slash1066]

I believe its 2030 that marks the end of being able to buy a new petrol or diesel vehicle. I agree the charging infrastructure right now is abysmal, truly dreadful

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

God help us we will be on horse and cart 🤣

[@sinetwo]

The government doesn't have a clue.

[@lancethrust9488]

​@@sinetwo HIRED MONKEYS WOULD DO A BETTER JOB

[@sinetwo]

@@lancethrust9488 😂

[@megane230f1]

i looked at zap-map and the infrastructure of the uk EV charging looks pathetic compared to scotland

[@decimal1815]

I visited an Instavolt charging hub today. Six chargers, so I thought at least one would work. All of them failed to connect and would not deliver a charge. Other EVs were also having issues, so not just me being an idiot. This stuff has got to get more reliable at some point...

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

That’s it and when you rely on the network and everyone is fighting to use the few that work it causes anger and frustration, I have seen videos of people arguing and fighting who is next to charge, this is unreal, it’s not like there is an electric shortage it’s just the network is insufficient for the amount of people using it

[@user-ex6gq7yv2w]

With a 60/80mile range, and 40+p/kwh. It'd be cheaper in time and fuel to run a diesel and pay the fine.

[@Slash1066]

I bought a PHEV to dip my toe in the EV world and away from home it's been next to impossible to get a charge. Chargers broken, chargers that require apps or cards to use in no signal areas, bafflingly complicated ones. Already all the good ones are in constant use, you can't get near them. It's such a ridiculous mess it's frankly unbelievable. I agree there is no way we are ready for more EV's, we need 20 years of massive infrastructure improvement to think about it. Basically every parking space should have a charger.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

The problem is the draw on the cables all at once they would melt 🤣

[@sinetwo]

And the UK said they'd be ready for 2030 😂

[@leonardshand7845]

These companies that take a tenner or whatever every time you charge are not credit companies. So if they reckon it will take ten to fourteen days to ‘refund’ your money, you should send them an invoice and charge them interest. I think 39% per day is a good rate. Let’s see how long they insist on robbing people.

[@davidvranch821]

Very interesting video, how long did your charge take when you finally manage to connect?

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

The average charge was 45 minutes on a rapid charger ✌🏻

[@matthewdowning6009]

Unfortunately this is about the worst electric van you can possibly buy. It’s expensive and has a short range. The Vauxhall Vivaro-e is much cheaper and has a far better range. The Charing network needs sorting and it’s happening with all new chargers having to accept contactless payment and fines coming for faulty chargers not being fixed. With something like a Vauxhall Vivaro-e and a 7.4kW home charger all the problems in this video would be gone for you. It would cost you less than £2 for 150 miles in electricity with an EV electric tariff and you’d only need to fast charge if you did more than 150 miles in a day.

[@thomasswainson2047]

A local courier company tried changing over to the Vivaro EV. All of them broke down after running out of charge. Vans are far from being ready for everyday use. I think the only way vans can become fully adopted os when we have a charger every 2 miles and only 5 minutes to charge

[@Devondogsclub]

Just found your video, what a nightmare. Just wondered how much you are losing in hours pw charging your van that you could have worked & been earning. Would those hours pay the charges if you had a diesel van?
I have mark7 Transit & I just drove 275 miles, only stopped for 10 minute toilet break, used half a tank cost about £50

[@katieclark5546]

Tax, tax, tax Glad we left the UK

[@hazzard8760]

And of course..they have now found a way of extracting more money from the unwary EV driver. Parking charges whilst charging. Stories now abound of EV drivers coming back to their (partially charged vehicles) to find a £60/£100 parking charge pasted to their windscreen. How many EV's (apart from Tesla) recharge to over 90% in 2 hours. We all know what its like with petrol rationing when drivers creep from one petrol station to another forming huge queues just to get a little bit more fuel in the tank. Now imagine the same with EV's. I bet the promoters of EV's never factored that aspect in their original thinking.. Just like parking, their will be illicit businesses who use the opportunity to extract as much money out of drivers as possible.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Saw one the other day in Manchester, I put a post up about it you have an hour free parking in the 7kw charger bays which in that time would add around 4 miles, my van would take 5 hours to charge so what is the point in having charger parking if you have a limited time to charge, if you want to shop for a long period and charge fully what difference does it make as long as you are paying for the charge, ? This is the kind of crap that needs highliting before everyone gets duped 👍 thanks for watching and commenting 👌

[@yvs6663]

so don't get an electric car u can't do your usual daily commute in? like really, people who say "electric cars are crap" and than use them in a totally different way than they r suppost to confuse me. the only time ive used a rapid charger it was just off the highway(like less than a mile both ways). but yeah, having several broken stations is a pretty huge fail by the provider.

[@lazyfrogonalog]

The range on that van is terrible. Charging infrastructure will improve over time but the range on that van will only get worse as the battery gets older.

[@jimblack8104]

Thanks for the insight. I came across this video because I am looking to get an electric vehicle for work but can’t charge from home. Looks like I will have to wait until they force me in 2030 maybe

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

I wish I had stayed away but now in Manchester they are trying to bring in a charge of £10 per day for diesel vans it’s a complete scam

[@jimblack8104]

@@ProBuildCarpenter sounds worse then the ulez if you have to pay for every single diesel van. Is it the same for cars? The people who make these decisions have no idea how this impacts on real people with real businesses. They all get payed enough wages to never worry about their income and have the jobs which means they get to make decisions on things that will never impact them but all the rest of us. The same government that pushed diesel vehicles so heavily 20 years ago now punishes people for using them.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@jimblack8104 my friend has a diesel transporter he lives in the zone so of they introduce it he will have to pay £70 per week just to leave his house it's lunacy, we all need to say no all this go green is great to talk about but unless we all get horses and carts we will be stuffed 🤣

[@jimblack8104]

@@ProBuildCarpenter all the people making up these policies have enough money for a house with a driveway and nice new Tesla. Hope it works out for you lot up there. I feel like Im screwed come 2030.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@jimblack8104 it's never going to happen not with electric prices going up and there are not enough chargers anyway it's a pipe dream

[@thomasswainson2047]

I agree, the network is not ready for widespread adoption, and we have at least 10 years before it is.
It’s not just installing chargers, the entirety of the UK’s infrastructure will have to be replaced/upgraded.
I see in 10 years we have charging stations every 10 miles on all major roads and all fuel stations will be converting their pumps to EV points. Roads will also eventually charge thr cars.
This is what innovation is. Short term pain whilst the infrastructure and attitudes change.
What made you decide to buy a van with 80 miles? Can’t believe VW are selling something with so short range!

[@lancethrust9488]

NO WAY THE NATIONAL GRID COULD EVER HANDLE AN EV ROLLOUT , EACH CAR TAKES THE SAME AMOUNT OF ENERGY AS 80 1KW BLOW HEATERS TO FULLY CHARGE IN HOUR , JUST GET YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT IMAGINE PUTTING ON 80 1KW HEATERS ON IN YOUR HOUSE , NOW TIMES THAT BY MILLIONS , IT WOULD BE LIKE THE SCENE OUT OF GHOST BUSTERS WHEN THEY TELL HIM NOT TO FLICK THE SWITCH AS IT WILL DECEND CHAOS AND DARKNESS ONTO THE WORLD , YET THE GOVERNMENT JUST WANTS FLICK THAT SWITCH TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS !!!

[@thomasswainson2047]

@@lancethrust9488 I cannot believe you just said that.
1. Most owners charge at home, over night on an 7kw (2 kettle) supply.
2. I work on the grid (construction) and as we speak, they are building battery back ups on every substation. These stations are the size of a truck. This will help take the immediate strain off when people plug in.
3. The large 50kw plus chargers are mostly used as destination chargers and using them at present takes us no where near our limit.
4. You have no clue what is in the planning for the grid. They are far more intelligent than you and I. It will be fine, there will be no black outs haha.

[@lancethrust9488]

@@thomasswainson2047 BATTERY BACK UPS ISNT GOING TO DO ANYTHING , AND WITH ALL THAT DANGEROUS LITHIUM THE BACK UP STATIONS WILL BE TICKING MOAB WAITING TO HAPPEN , ALSO BATTERYS PUT OUT LESS THAT PUT IN SO THAT MONEY COULD BE USED TO BUY NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS WHICH IS THE LOGICAL AND SUGGESTED DECISION WITH THE CLEANEST ENERGY FOR THE AMOUNT IT PUTS OUT AND HAS THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF DEATHS FOR WORKERS , YET THE LEFTISTS DONT WANT TO GO DOWN THE LOGICAL ROOT , REGARDLESS OF CHARGERS EACH EV IS GOING TO NEED AT LEAST 50KW OF ENERGY TO FULLY CHARGE WHICH IS INSANE , THEY WILL BE USING MORE ENERGY THAN PEOPLE GROWING CANNABIS !!!

[@thomasswainson2047]

@@lancethrust9488 CAPS LOCK IS ON!
Your comments resemble the comments literally everyone said about petrol cars. We managed just fine. The same as we will eventually manage just fine to travel the speed of light and live on Mars. Times change.

[@lancethrust9488]

@@thomasswainson2047 WERE NEVER LIVING ON MARS YOU EV LEFTIST SHILL , ELON MARS WILL BE ANOTHER HOAX LIKE THE MOON LANDING

[@Rexjackson007]

Overhere in Australia we have similar problems with chargers just not working and being out of service for weeks! The one common denominator is most problems are with TRITIUM CHARGERS would you believe made in Australia. The solution I believe is to use Kempower made in Finnland. Bjorn in Norway reviews them a lot and they seem to be bullet proof.

[@lancethrust9488]

AUSTRALIA IS TOO HUGE FOR EVS RANGE , PLUS THE HEAT WILL DESTROY THE BATTERYS , AND CAUSE MANY DANGEROUS FIRES

[@ulsterprodspb]

???? What’s the crack on EV charger points which says (workplace) our these for all people to use or just for people who actually work their.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

No idea I have never seen any marked workplace perhaps it’s for employees, I saw some on student campuses in Manchester for the site ev vehicles but when I tried to use it guess what ! It was broke 😂 I also went to a charge point at a hotel and the sign said charge point for guests only and if you were not a guest you would get a parking ticket for being in the car park. Too many bs rules to simply get a charge.

[@davidevans5782]

In Scotland we have ChargeScotland and the network works 95% of the time and it's free, it's why I changed my Volvo C70 diesel for a BMW i3 😊

[@Mobilegaming-reviews]

oh here we go a scot thinking he is all big and stuff typical poor

[@jameshblack]

Need to tell me where all these chargers are ,,, they will not be free long

[@stephenmurray2851]

He is talking pish. I'm in Glasgow and it's garbage here too. All snp people are clowns

[@stevem7508]

You spend most of your life on the charger

[@audriusa5368]

good old prices... now its 0.80p everywhere. Same problems, only prices are double. Getting "better", eh?

[@jasonsaddington7821]

Don't believe zap map all the time,app might say out of order etc and when you get there is working, not that that helps when your looking on the app,I have found always have a couple of back ups if the one you get to is not working.

[@michaeli160954]

The UK government have fcuked up the EV charging infrastructure. All charging companies should be licensed by the local authority. Part of the license being granted would be the supply company be contracted to repair all their chargers within 24 hours after a report of them not working. There should be a minimum rate of charge 100kw . I bought a Tesla because of the current crap charging network in the UK

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

If they were serious they would be digging up the roads and lining streets with chargers instead they think we will magically charge from thin air 😂

[@anthonyboland]

I live in australia, if i decide to buy an electric vehicle, it will only be a tesla model 3 long range, because i live in a country area with huge distances. I own a lexus nx and it is absolutely beautiful and super reliable with great dealerships. I will be giving it a lot of thought before i buy an electric vehicle.

[@Rexjackson007]

Tesla owner in Australia - you NEVER have these problems if you use the Tesla chargers. BUT as soon as you venture away from Tesla it is EXACTLY THE SAME AS UK! We would NEVER GO BACK TO ICE. Believe me you will eventually love every thing about your Tesla BUT I hope you ordered early!

[@anthonyboland]

@@Rexjackson007 Hello @Rexjackson007 yes i like what you are saying, i have placed an order for a tesla model 3 long range, but i wont recieve it until early next year, but i don't mind the wait.

[@stephenmurray2851]

@@anthonyboland And how did that work out?

[@stephenburnage7687]

Seems to me that if you are lucky enough to have a driveway at home, overnight charging works fine but if you live in a terraced house, an EV has issues.

[@ReidsOnTour]

I had to have a 10 m long cable plugged into an extension lead some days 😂 then put cones out so no one sued me falling over the cable 😆 how do you get around that in this day and age of scum bags suing for cash

[@deanbowring]

You don't need the apps you can just tap your card and charge.
I have had an full electric car for 15 months now and only twice have I not been able to charge on the go at my first choice charger.
I have done 13500 miles and its cost me 400 quid.

[@chrisp7839]

Agreed, in fact Instavolt are normally my go to charger of choice, they nearly always work, and being a little more expensive they are less likely to be in use.

[@keithhobbs1]

I agree the electric charging infrastructure is a joke. If you stick with diesel I think you're only choice as a tradesman would be to up your prices if the job is in the congestion/emissions zone. But would a tradesman who lives within the zone have to pay the charge or is it only levied if once you cross the border? I looked at this couple of years ago and public charge points were charging 35-40p a unit. Then HMRC came along and change the rules and said that public charge points the electricity attracted VAT at 20%, and now with unit rates for domestic going to be 28p a unit god alone knows where public charge rates are going to go. I'm currently very sceptical about jumping to an EV as a member of the general public.
Re the poor range. You filmed this in Feb, just wonder whether it would get any better in the warmer months. Some EV's I've read lose about 20% of their range in colder weather. Still 80 miles isn't brilliant, and if that is the hassle you have to go through to get charged you have my deepest sympathy. What a palaver.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

I paid 50p the other day, it’s not like petrol stations where you can say I’ll go to another they have you by the balls when your low on power, my friend is diesel and he would have to pay the emission zone charge and believes in the zone so £70 per week £280+ per month on top of spiralling diesel costs.
It’s still crap if I’m very lucky I get 57 miles but most days 53 after 10 hrs charging it actually started dropping off before it went cold, they should be hybrid we don’t have the tech for full electric not only in vans but the actual infrastructure.
Thanks for watching and stay diesel 😂✌🏻

[@nickyfoulkes8476]

We have 4 x 50kw chargers in the whole of Torbay 2 at each of the Lidl's stores. 138,000 residents in Torbay. I don't think so. Wouldn't give electric car house room. I will stay with self charging hybrid until the last day.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Funnily enough I use Lidl and Aldi chargers the most, how insane is it the cheap supermarkets have the most available rapid chargers and Tesco have the useless 7kw Asda don’t have any from my experience

[@elpresidente8730]

Well I was sceptical before watching this and now I am convinced that EV is not the way to go, there is still much to iron out and I don't want to be a guinea pig. The marketing of EV's seems to be forgetting that there are alternatives to batteries such as hydrogen fuel cells. The government should be ramping up green hydrogen production and tidal energy generation.

[@handlesarefeckinstupid]

Not going to happen. You have the same thoughts of someone going from horse to car, you think petrol stations appeared within a short time over the UK? No, you had to go to a chemist's to buy 'motor spirit'. Its completely feasible for someone to own an EV if they only travel locally and will cost 75% less than a petrol car.

[@Sparkyjoe90]

This is exactly what happened to me apart from it charged me £40 each time. It’s a completely rubbish system. Long live fossil fuels. Can’t beat them.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Wow that is a joke !! The system is ridiculous, in a system that locks the chargers to your van/car there is no reason why they should not be charging your card AFTER they charge the vehicle and to the amount you use it’s not like you can drive away without paying you would have to break the machine or your van to release. People were saying “yeah but you get it back” my point was if it’s your last £15 and it fails and makes you try again your stuffed, no money and no charge and you have to wait days to get it back, hopefully no one gets to their last £15 but I have been absolutely skint waiting for jobs to pay and paying staff wages and sadly it is totally possible people. ✌🏻 long live fossils 😂

[@7s29]

These EV's are a mess. On top of it it all, as the car ages, the battery degrades, and your problems will ampliy.

[@Ukvideoclips]

All the electric car charges don’t work because people don’t know how to use them.
Apart from that, look at Germany and hydrogen power.

[@matthewgodwin3050]

This rush to battery powered vehicles makes zero sense, unless your goal is to restrict freedom of movement, and keep everyone within 15 minutes walk of your home. Then, it makes perfect sense.

[@northyorkshirechris5735]

So you hate your home and don’t want to be anywhere near it? Sad.

[@jackjoyce1744]

I find it really strange that your chargers do not work. Here in Jersey our charging points are always being maintained at least every other week and if it doesn’t work, you get the charge for free if you can get it working.

[@brybish]

And when you find one you sit there for 40mins or join a queue, this is nonsense.

[@hazzard8760]

And all the while whilst waiting (patiently) to have your turn on the charger you are using up your valuable parking time of 2 hours maximum waiting to get connected before you get a single additional amp in your EV battery. If 1st January 2030 really is changeover date. It will be worse than utter chaos right across the country all just to keep the Green lobby happy as they sit round their camp fires in the woods, signing folk songs of days of yore when Robin hood helped the needy. God help us as we slide back into the dark ages

[@supersub20]

The problem is the charging infrastructure atm and the reason public rapid chargers are expensive are due to the 'convenience' as most are expected to have wall chargers at home. Plus most public chargers don't seem to have type 2 AC as they're pushing ccs and CHADeMO for the future

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Everyone seems to be running the ccs that’s also a massive issue I have seen hardly anyone using the chademo the chargers should have two of each port on in case two cars pull up with the same ports 👍🏻

[@supersub20]

@@ProBuildCarpenter only 1 DC can charge at any one time but at certain chargers AC and DC can charge together but at a slower rate

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@supersub20 I didn't know that ! another ridiculous example of why we can't go electric haha physics and technology won't allow it

[@adventcliff2040]

Thats me not going to Manchester and I'm glad I don't have EV. People are nuts buying EV. Your stuffed if you don't have a smartphone.

[@PaulSmith-br4tj]

I totally agree, I bought Nissan Leaf 64 kw version, great car but uk isn’t set up for Ev and won’t be for at least 10 years I think, Plymouth to London drive in petrol car takes 3.5 hours, in my Ev 7.5 hours due to not enough charge points and waiting at services for a charger and price per kw is from 40p to 85p per kw, that’s not cheap

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

It’s not cheap to you when you add up all the hours lost sat at charge points ave the planet - lose your time

[@MrPindie]

There’s no way I’d buy a van with an alleged 80 mile range. That would mean me have to charge 6 times a day! A van needs 400 miles minimum. VW have mugged you off.

[@barrieforte2588]

You didn't need the app it was contactless, but I agree that some of the charges are shite we were in Southport the Chargers we went to were not working the third one was it took two attempts on my bank statement it showed up two payments 11 one 7 pounds but only the £11 came off my card a 1 day later. normally we charge at home and don't need public charges. We have a 40 kW battery in a Nissan EV 200 van we do about 80 miles a day sometimes about 110 but we're fine and in the last 12 months we've probably had to use public chargers about five times but each time they've been bloody useless.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Im sure you get a little discount if you have an account and top up, I honestly can’t remember I don’t think about it anymore you have no choice when your battery’s dead 😂. I actually Looked at those vans and should have tried them they just seemed a little small for carrying materials do they do upto 180 miles now ?

[@barrieforte2588]

@@ProBuildCarpenter No in the real world 120 it's only a 40 kW battery and they are discontinuing the model anyway. so it won't be getting the hundred-kilowatt battery which would've been great, not sure what they are going to replace it with. I must admit I do like the look of the Rivien but not the pricetag
I must admit I can't be botherd to download all of them bloody apps and sort them all out for the amount of public charging I use when a lot of them now are tap and go. There are a lot of shell ones in places l where I go. They seem to work quite well the last one I used was charging 35p but I would imagine a lot of them are gonna go to 40 - 70p this month.

[@SimonEllwood]

Don't buy an EV unless you have access to a Level 2 charger where you park it overnight. You are not the only one to be very unhappy with that van! I love my Tesla Model 3 and charging a Tesla at a Supercharger is NOTHING like that Instavolt charger. I do not need a phone or a card to charge at the Supercharger just plug it in and it starts charging.

[@andrewgould9395]

Well said mate!

[@stephenbrown9400]

Hope it's getting better for you.
It's a massive investment Is an EV, Seven short years for petrol/diesel vehicles to end sales, I predict a huge drop in new sales and used to hang on to high prices until this mess is sorted.
Legislation form government would sort it, fail to charge and next free.
Mandatory max time out of service or cheap charges.

[@TI66ER]

I have had a EV for 6 months and regually go to Manchester and have no issues charging untill the network is more robust you just need to plan so not sure why people make a big thing of it just be organised and you won't have a problem

[@bea1365]

Do they charge you for electricity at commercial rate having an EV charger or is it residential rate?

[@user-jl7fn1qb6b]

i really feel for this guy who is trying to earn a living but being penalised by having a bag of shit, and is being forced on the public he is and has to be clued in but god help any elderly person who is not,this insanity has got to stop.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

You have hit the nail on the head thanks for commenting thankfully the van has gone and I am happy in a diesel ✌🏻

[@karoln7078]

So what have VW said about the range??

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Nothing wrong with it, the van has " learned " how I drive and that's what it can do, funny though seems everyone's has "learned" to do the same range

[@karoln7078]

@@ProBuildCarpenter wow that's absolutely shocking, so are you trying to return it or something or will you cut your losses and sell it, I'm sure if you speak to a solicitor they might advise you something because technically speaking this has been mis-sold.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@karoln7078 they offered to have it back but I lose my deposit which I refused but its a piece of crap and getting to me now so I'm going to see if the offer stands or put a massive claim against them for loss of earnings and stress caused by its un reliability typical big company vs little man

[@20momina]

The worst thing about ev cars is the chargepoints. They’re hardly any around. Also they take hours to charge where as fuel 10 mins to fill your tank up. Very frustrating at the moment. Also doesn’t give you the mileage it says. My car says 200 on full charge but I get around 150 miles

[@nicdensley4104]

There is a 70% battery warranty on these VW e-transporters, has anyone tried to claim on that?

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

I sent it off and rejected the vehicle and they blatantly refused they told me the van had a memory and it knew the weight I was carrying and how far I was travelling and it remembered how far it could go, bear in mind this is a courier van and I would be going to different jobs carrying different materials 😂 basically they talked absolute bs I should have sued but it may still be coming I have now rejected it formally

[@susiefoureyes6256]

What happens if you don’t have a mobile phone.

[@jameshblack]

Any where north of Watford has very little chargers to power these cars

[@leeebbrell9]

I can't believe 50% charge only gives you that number of miles.. gobsmacked

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

My friend has been driving it while I am in australia and it is only charging to 50 miles thankfully it goes back next month they pulled the van from the market I believe they sold around 60 in the uk I was told that by the service technician who came to recover it when it broke down in the middle of a busy road vw lost my respect the way they handled the van

[@olly7248]

Hopefully people are wising up to the truths of owning an EV 👎🏻

[@paulwilliams5013]

Routine maintenance of almost every public facility in the UK is sh.t! (And it won't get better any time soon!)

[@williampaul8556]

It always looks great in someones mind! Reality is F d up.

[@andrewgage6942]

One of the reasons I wouldn't consider an electric vehicle at present, I don't have one of those technical phones, where I live there's only one working chargepoint locally, it's in a car park which closes at night, along with the charging costs, I have to incur a parking charge of around £5 an hour, on route to work (nearly 30 miles away) there's no chargepoint, then there's the cost of purchasing a vehicle, if like me, you don't have access to a home chargepoint, you're reliant on public chargepoints, the place I work has no charging facilities and they have no intention of putting chargepoints in, so for me, I work long unsociable hours, I would need a vehicle that has a high range to last me at least a week, for a vehicle like that, I'm looking at something like a Tesla which is a £40000 plus vehicle, then all of the extra costs, technical phone, and those things on there, I expect they come at a cost, it's not viable for the average working class person, then as mentioned, charges for the privelidge of using a chargepoint, would I buy a vehicle that does less than a hundred miles of charge? I'm better off running my little diesel that returns an average 80mpg. And as an added bonus, I can pay for my diesel with cash so I know what I have to budget on, if it ain't in my pocket, I ain't got it, simple and easy, that doesn't involve any technology, just brain power

[@edwyncorteen1527]

The VW is clearly the worst choice for a van due to the tiny battery and range, there are much better alternatives from other makes, use your van all day, charge at home. For the Instavolt to have cost as much as diesel to run the electricity would have needed to be about 68 p /kWh so your were at least saving!

[@Hitstirrer]

It's not a £5 charge. It's a check that the card is valid. And when the real cost of the charge is known at the end it releases that £5 and takes the correct fee.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Below is from instavolts own website, my point is you can be charged multiple times and have to wait for up to 10 days to get your money back from failed charges that is unacceptable
I've been charged £15 or £30 but the transaction failed, how long will this take to refund?
If no energy is dispensed then the £15 or £30 pre-authorisation will be cleared within 5-10 working days depending on how quickly your bank can clear £0.00 transactions.
Please note that the InstaVolt Team are unable to discuss queries regarding your bank. Should the pre-authorisation amount not be refunded within 5-10 working days, contact your bank for further assistance.

[@Hitstirrer]

@@ProBuildCarpenter - Yes - I know that. But the £5 isn't actually charged to your account. It's held 'pending'. Then, if an actual cost isn't taken it remains 'pending' because the real cost hasn't triggered the release. It never shows up on your statement. And if a real cost is debited that triggers the immediate release of the £5. The only issue to you as a bank customer is that there is £5 less credit available for a day or so. And as long as the account is well in credit you won't even notice the event.

[@Hitstirrer]

@@ProBuildCarpenter - Self service petrol pumps do the same except that they pre-authorise up to £99 before release when the real cost is known. An Instavolt £5 pre-authorisation is reasonable compared to that.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@Hitstirrer I see your point but if someone has £100 in their account and 3 transactions fail for £15 each they still cannot spend £45, and say it happens again the next day that's £60 they cannot spend, you don't expect to get charged for things then don't get what you have been charged for, your thinking of you haven't been charged is wrong because you have been charged and until the money is released you don't have the money they have taken. You are right in saying it is pending but if someone is down to their last £100 and they get multiple pendings and cannot get a charge and cannot get that money back for 3-10 days it is simply not reasonable hence why people use the apps and top their credit up like I do if you use your card there is a chance you will have a failed charge.

[@steveyoung8376]

you can filter zap map for say instatvolt or type connector etc, or charge rate

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Zap map is the best app sadly it isn’t updated by the actual company’s to show machines that are broken so like someone else said it may say out of use but may in fact be working if they could get together and integrate it would be a step forward

[@vanmore5124]

I drive a 3.5 ton 6.4m Fiat Ducato and a full tank gets me about 600 miles when it's close to it's full weight. Forget it in an EV.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Yes 100% the miles they say the vans do are perfect test conditions no heating on, no radio on no lights etc the battery drops rapid when you have the heater on in winter

[@vanmore5124]

@@ProBuildCarpenter Sickening what they are trying to force us into or simply out of.

[@SteveN-pw4dj]

The van probably does 80 miles... EMPTY. But as a tradesman how likely is that?

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

It won't even do that, I sent it back to VW they had it a week empty and could only get it to charge to 67 miles said it was perfectly fine and 67 was acceptable, my argument was how can you market a van to couriers when they couldn't even get it to do their claimed miles while empty, so if you don't drive it and when you do drive it keep it empty you might get 67 miles out of it 🤣 emissions scandal part 2 is due for VW they are not to be trusted

[@mondotv4216]

Honestly the real problem is the god awful transporter with less than 100 miles range it's just a dog. A decent EV van should have enough range for your average daily drive so you don't have to rely on public charging.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

True the van was shit, but if you do need a charge you can spend hours trying to find a charger that works or one that is empty, the infrastructure is just not good enough for commercial vehicles ✌🏻

[@mondotv4216]

@@ProBuildCarpenter Agreed. It's just a shame Tesla didn't build a commercial vehicle. Totally different charging experience. However I do think the connection problems on the VW might be user error. I noted at one stage the EVSE said charging and the light was still yellow and you pulled the plug. The second time you did it and it said exactly the same thing and the light was still yellow and you waited a little longer and it turned green. So sometimes the EVSE says charging but there is still a delay on the vehicle side. There's a lot of negotiation going on between the EVSE and the vehicle when you plug it in. This is only my observation from a single video clip so I haven't had to live with that frustration and I could be totally wrong. Personally I wouldn't pull the plug until the EVSE says charging failed.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@mondotv4216 sorry you have to watch the video again, the light was red when I pulled you can see it and I actually said it’s red, it’s not user error it’s just a poor charging network, if you look at a Tesla car they have nothing inside they are absolutely basic to save on weight, not one company has come up with a decent electric van because they are useless, ev cars are for commuters go to one place park and then go home to charge they all claim great mileage but turn on the heaters on a freezing day, have your radio going and you will see the real range.
On these vans a red light means failed to connect the charger is sending the electricity but the van is rejecting it.
“Red LED light: Continuously lit: Fault in the charging system. The charging process cannot start or charging has stopped prematurely. If the charging process indicator persistently displays a malfunction, contact an authorized Volkswagen dealer or authorized Volkswagen Service Facility.”

[@fatfreddyscoat7564]

40p per kWh - what the fuck?? If you get an EV tariff at home - and a few do exist - it’s about 10p I think.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

57-59p now at rapid chargers

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, I am an EV owner, not Tesla, and yes it is still a big challenge for us.
I usually head for a multi hub point, Instavolt, Gridserve or Ionity, they are usually very good.
The bad boys are Shell and BP , their units rarely work. There are some BP pulse units near me, I have never seen anyone use them, 7Kw is useless, and just round the corner is Tesco with free Pod points that always seem to work, but still only 7 Kw.
Work in progress.Feel sorry for all you Mancunians, already paid for all the signs warning you about entering the low emission zone, and paid for more signs saying not operational. Andy Burnham?

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

See for me the shell and bp were the best they were never used, the 7kw for me were just a look at me feature we have ev chargers, sit there for 5 hours and put 10 miles on your vehicle 😂 the cost of those signs will be astronomical then stickers to cover them to say under review then someone to either take the signs down or remove the stickers, just pure waste of money

[@lancethrust9488]

IAM AN EV OWNER LOL , YOU MAY AS WELL OF SAID IAM A BETA CUCK !!!

[@Cardifftoyboy1]

Burnham is a career politician. It would do him the World of good to be forced to spend a year working with the people like you who are out of the political comfort zone and in the real World the rest of us actually live in.

[@johngoff8923]

Looks more like RIPOFF UK to me!

[@computerbob06]

Looks like you bought the wrong van fella!
The charging network is rubbish, but your van is worse........ Battery wise!

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

Peugeot van better for poor charging areas but council needs to start providing them at least at their council buildings would be good start

[@Oppinnindi]

You purchased a van with 60 miles of range? Wtf

[@IamCoast2coast]

That range is terrible

[@gramamg100]

Absolutely agree with you on the charging infrastructure. But disagree on cars, it depends on your requirements. I have the cheapest ev on the market an MG, it stated 167 miles range and I can achieve that in summer and in 12000 I’ve only had to charge about 4 times. And I was lucky only once did I have issues with genie point, then onto a Pulse, that failed onto InstaVolt so easy.
So ev’s are Great for people that don’t need to charge away from home.
But in your situation I feel your pain. It isn’t for you.

[@kimosabe5386]

in summer and in 12000 I’ve only had to charge about 4 times?

[@jf9601]

It’s absolute gash 😂

[@dangr3957]

Don’t buy any EV! Buy a pre 3/2017 Tesla with free supercharger for life.

[@sharedworldsltd1626]

Moving to zero emission travel is not about improving convenience, it’s about improving the air quality and reversing the damage we have done to the planet. Simple.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Haha have you seen how they make the battery’s for these cars ? Do you know what fuels are used to generate the electric, People driving cars with unsustainable batteries and that need fossil fuels to provide the power to generate the electricity is a complete farce, it is a complete hoodwink. As for damage to the planet I would love to hear how everyone driving electric cars made of metal dug up with diesel machines, filled with components and chemicals made from heavy oil including the plastics and leather by killing animals or using pvc also made from plastics for the seats is reversing anything. Sorry to say this but you cannot be that naive.

[@sharedworldsltd1626]

@@ProBuildCarpenter exactly why we need to slow down, consume less and think about our lifestyles.
Are BEV’s the solution? No, they’re not. However, they are far better that ICE vehicles mile for mile. I can share peer reviewed papers that are not funded by industry if you would like to educate yourself

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

@@sharedworldsltd1626 Sorry but what lifestyle are you referring too ? We work 8-10 hours per day 5 days per week and spend the rest of the time at home or asleep and if we are lucky we get to spend 20-25 hours to ourselves per week ! People working all these hours in some places can barely feed themselves or heat their homes and the last worry on their mind is to purchase a £60k car to give more money to energy companies.
Studies have shown the planet which is MILLIONS of years old has become hotter and colder throughout its cycle, we are 2022 into our civilisation it is a grain of sand, the planet will wipe us out at some point this is inevitable just as it did the Egyptians and the Incas, as it has done with the dinosaurs and whatever was before them, studies make nonsense of climate change and in fact the current models that are used to predict it, all from reputable scientists that strangely don’t have a voice in the main stream media they claim this has happened over the millennia, instead we have Greta thunberg a girl who has no education telling us what to do, we will never know and the science lately is a sham, now if it is the same models that predicted covid would wipe us out, how far off are they, at worst it gave the vast majority a cold and has now vanished ! “The science” that told us vaccinate to protect others has fallen apart now it is known vaccination never was even tested to prevent transmission ! How can we trust “the science” ever again now there are major enquiries into side effects, and the lies that were told and how much money was made from these lies, the science community is corrupt to the core and the politicians getting rich, people call others tin foil hat wearers but governments do not have our interests at heart and climate change and leaving oil use, benefits no one other than the electric company’s, and share holders now make it cheap and free and you have a case but it is neither so there is an agenda to break the global dependence on oil especially now China, Russia, Brazil, India and Africa are attempting to free the world from the grip of the Dollar. BRICS
I’m not sure what lifestyle you lead but the vast majority consume little to next to nothing ! The majority of the people on earth are from country’s where they own NOTHING ! Asia and Africa have the biggest populations and slavery is rife to mine the materials for the amazing vehicles you so adore. SLAVERY IS NOT USED FOR OIL, so as for moral dilemmas you favour child labour and slavery check out amnesty international.
I think people should take a step back and assess what you actually think is doing the right thing, creating a market that forces child and slave labour to ween the world from oil dependency to benefit economies such as the EU or the USA from the Middle East and into dependancy of massive corporations ran in the EU and USA.
Or to keep using cars that have the potential to run for 30 years or more without having to replace major parts every 7-8 years such as a massive battery at massive cost and that if you do want to recycle a normal car it can be done quite easily, fuel cells are not.
Tarmac , clothing, medical equipment, everything we used has been touched by or comes from a material derived from oil.
I am sorry but I have common sense and I see no benefit in not using a vehicle that turns a liquid into carbon dioxide that feeds plants and trees and it’s exhausts are naturally processed, over using an electric vehicle that’s battery’s have a short lifespan, cannot be repaired or reconditioned and are not even meant to be recycled of which are fuelled from fossil fuels using miles and miles of plastic and metal cables.
I can’t agree with you on any aspect, the benefits are not there what is claimed from ev, short lifespan, not cost effective, not affordable, not reliable, not recyclable .
Now hydrogen is a different matter but we will forever be dependant on oil, EV cars are the blue ray of the world a useless invention that will phase out. What will the government do when we get to 2030 and people can’t afford ev cars, can’t get to work can’t pay taxes never going to happen.
If the planet is warmer than it used to be maybe consider the use of thermo nuclear bombs over the years and the heat created from the radiation the USA ALONE HAVE TESTED OVER 2000 , yet they say it’s us with cars 😂
Sorry we will have to disagree on this matter, you have your facts and I have mine. Mine are realistic yours are idealistic but massively flawed.

[@sharedworldsltd1626]

@@ProBuildCarpenter agree to disagree. Nevertheless, wish you and yours all the best.

[@dantebg100]

You are not saving the planet. At best You are saving your own azz.
The planet doesn't need to be saved.
The planet will be here long after all the people are gone.
And the biggest issue is not the climate.
The biggest issue is the animal extinction due to the human activity.
And the electric cars are only making this problem worse. ( They have short life cycle and they are promoting changing your car every 3 years mentality)

[@stevem7508]

Governments force this issue, and there wrong... if they can't run the country then what...

[@cotswodsman]

You will find that most of the ones saying out of dervice do work. My local charge point has shown out of service for 1 month but I have ised it every week while showing out of service. Also do not blame Burnham he is following Government instructions.

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

So the argument then is do you drive to the chargers marked out of order hoping they are in working order ? Then you get there to find they are not in order and you are stranded ?
And in my opinion Burnham is completely to blame he is Mayor of Manchester, Labour which is opposition to the PM and he is voted in to represent Manchester it is his responsibility to look after us, Sadiq Kahn does as he pleases, YES men should be held accountable it is time to say NO

[@williamthomas5223]

I don’t understand why you choose to drive that van if you totally unhappy with it

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

Well hindsight is a great thing, I didn’t know it would lose 20-50 % of its range after 6 months, I didn’t realise the ev charging network was complete garbage until I needed to use it, I didn’t know the cost of electricity would go through the roof and I didn’t know volkswagen would produce a vehicle then pull it from production after less than a year because it was so bad, yet here I am stuck with it

[@williamthomas5223]

@@ProBuildCarpenter fair comment volkswagen should be made to buy back all the vans they made if they so bad as for the rest of your issues i dont think they are as bad as all that

[@ScudoCamper]

I have aclassic van and it's not compliant for Bristol 🙄

[@stevelane1956]

There's no charging zone in Manchester. It was cancelled. Should have kept your diesel!

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

I got the electric van thinking I would save on fuel, worst mistake of my life I’ll never have an electric vehicle again they are dog shit 😂

[@markodom3841]

Where’s the emissions tax on the additional fossil fuel burned at the power plant that generated the extra electricity used to charge your EV which is comparable in BTUs to the emissions saved from petrol?

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

😂 good point

[@LinasR]

Lucky you having right side driving or you would be blocking VW door while plugged

[@ProBuildCarpenter]

It’s just so badly designed it’s crazy ✌🏻