@Goose Tater Why aren't pilots able to communicate with Plane Manufacturer (ie tech support), plus other pilot experts? Why can they only talk to the airport or airline or read the manual? i don't get it. alot of lives at risk, they should be problem solving with the best problem solvers in the world, not be looking in a manual!
Further west we do have the ability to contact technical support thru a system named sec call. However since there was no flight engineer on board to act as liaison with the company, the pilots were busy trying too keep the aircraft under control. In hind sight we train to fly the aircraft with a jammed stabilizer and the procedure is to turn off the stab trim switch and physically muscle the control column with out benefit of hydraulic or trim assistance. Maybe the pilots were trying to un jam the trim and by doing so led to a greater problem. Something we will never know. As far as listening to goose tater ,he is a total moron shooting of his mouth trying to act intelligent with no flying experience at all. The content of his comments should tell any one with even a small amount of commonsense he is full of as they say in Mexico "El Toro Crapo" Have a great day
It's worth mentioning that the pilots inverted the plane and flew the aircraft upside down deliberately, in an attempt to stop the nosedive. They did everything they could until the last minute. What great men.
@Bryan Jones the same issue that put them in that situation would have pitched the nose down into the water as soon as they turned right side up, disintegrating the aircraft due to the steep angle. At least landing upside down, but level, gave them a shot at survival.
This is why passengers should not get too upset when their flights are delayed or cancelled. A responsible airline would give safety issues a higher priority than your convenience.
I remember my mom having a conniption because our flight to florida was delayed due to a malfunctioning APU. Now that I have a very minimal amount of flight training I'll never complain about a delayed flight again.
Man, you're so right and I've never thought about it from that perspective before. You know the airline wants to send out as many planes as possible, because more planes flying means more money. So when there's a delay, it's pretty safe to assure there's a damn good reason.
That senior mechanic who discovered the DAMAGED jackscrew was one of my instructors for a & p school. I respect him greatly. His integrity cannot be overstated. He worked second shift for Alaskan Airlines. They wrote up the jackscrew assy as defective. Came in the next day and the plane was gone. The write up signed off. My instructor kept copies of all the maintenance he performed. When the plane went down he blee the whistle on the corruption involved and the local FAA looking the other way. His reward was to blacklisted from his career. Not too many men would do the right thing under those circumstances. John Liotine still has my respect. I hold myself to this guy's standard.
If you see that instructor again, please tell him thank you for being a stand up guy. Thank you. Integrity and character are endangered characteristics these days, he is a rare find.
Are you just repeating the story that your instructor told you, or are you basing it on concrete evidence? 2:48 - "They ask maintenance personnel if there had been any similarly logged incidents for the aircraft and for any solutions. They are told that there are no logged faults on the aircraft for the past 30 days."
@@ItsVideos you can actually go do your own research. He's listed in the Wikipedia article on the incident. You're free to believe orr disbelieve whatever you want. It's not my place to try and convince you of anything.
@@abubaca2683 The Wiki says he blew the whistle in 1998, so what do you mean when you say he blew the whistle "when the plane went down" (in 2000). The Wiki says he was working with the FAA by secretly recording his supervisors, and subsequently the FAA raided Alaska Airlines and got the maintenance records, so what do you mean when you refer to "the local FAA looking the other way"? He sued Alaska Airlines for libel and won a $500,000 settlement, and his resignation from Alaska Airlines was part of the settlement agreement. I think he did the right thing by blowing the whistle, but it's not surprising that he was blacklisted.
“Ahh, here we go” The words of a man who did not fear his inescapable fate. Fought til the last second, and calmly. Far and few between. Fly high Captain.
When he said that I thought he meant it in a good way like here we go it's back to normal now, I didn't know the content from the story at all so I was really hoping at least some people would survive RIP to all on board
@@njay4399 i think it was more of a “well let’s see what happens next…” as he had done everything in his power at that point to avoid the danger. So it was more of a let’s see if we did enough to survive type of “here we go”
Even after the plane flipped, those two veteran pilots still tried to keep the plane in the air. If it hadn’t been for the egregious failure of their aircraft I have no doubt they would have figured out a way to land that thing.
I work in maintenance (structures) and these stories remind me to continually strive for my best efforts in quality of work no matter the pressures. I do my best work when I complete tasks on my own time. Not always in the time the company would like me to complete a task in. I haven't been fired yet. Been doing my job for 28 years now.
That's awesome man. The world needs far more of your kind of engineering mindset applied. It's definitely not all worth the quicker bucks when lives are at risk. And liability involved. So keep at it mate!
I flew with Captain Ted Thompson in the USAF on the C-141b Starlifter he was an excellent pilot and a great leader! His professionalism and calmness under pressure is no surprise to all of us that knew him, god bless him and he is sorely missed!
@@arrynbeacon8077 if you listen to the phone calls made during 9-11, whether it’s someone trapped in the upper floors or on a hijacked plane, most of the callers are calm and even the background screams aren’t so bad.. not at all what I would have assumed
@@dariantaylor6080 yes there were some who were calm but also some who were panicked, which of course is understandable. I guess people just react differently in different situations
El Chavo who else agrees they should install emergency parachutes to planes and deploy them as soon as they turn off plane engine? I mean if such situations it would save lives vs just crashing at full speed.
Not mentioned in the video. Excess wear and damage to the stabiliser jackscrew was reported by a mechanic. The mechanic was fired for making a fuss about the neglicted jackscrew.
That's pretty close. A lead mechanic found the jackscrew assembly worn to its service limits and wrote it up on a non-routine card. Someone in management later lined through his findings and claimed the jackscrew was within limits. The lead mechanic was fired after reporting this to the FAA.
That's firing a whistleblower and should be illegal...it is illegal and I hope he had enough sense to hire a lawyer and punish the airline financially!
I was one of the Coast Guard members on scene in the recovery efforts. This was the worse tragedy in my Coast Guard Career. I will never forget about it the images are still in my head.
I could never have been in the Coast Guard. Just the thought of having to work so hard out in the elements aboard ships is hard to imagine. You guys and gals are freaking amazing.
If I’d been a passenger on that flight I would’ve been hoping and praying to just black out, especially once it rolled. Heartbreaking to imagine how everyone must’ve felt in those last minutes. And how strong those pilots had to be!
It pisses me off that the vast majority of these accidents are due to maintenance being lazy. When people's lives are on the line you need to do your damn job and do it right.
I worked in maintenance in several industries, I've always always found PMs done in the system and not actually done. The most mundane tasks like inspection of chains for grease and tightness. Just a whole lot could be prevented if people actually do their job. In this case you can't blame this one mechanic, the company complacency kill them. I'm sure more people had to inspect the screw.
Akira 38 the ironic thing is is that these accidents caused by airlines trying to reduce the cost of maintenance, cause the airline itself to lose even more money because planes are worth millions and family of the victims sued them; literally, there is no benefit in trying to cut corners that threaten the safety of passengers in order to reduce cost, the airline will lose more money anyway
Less about laziness, and more about greed of upper management. The Alaska Airlines senior management should’ve been jailed for cutting corners and impacting passenger safety. Fuck them.
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Goose Tater obviously you’re a maintenance tech and we hit a nerve. FAA found these facts about his bs PMs. Tatar & potato, maybe both of you is one dude with two accounts, don’t really care, but the bottom line is, maintenance techs are entrusted with the safety of the aircraft. If your boss is cramming too much work and forcing you to cut corners as you claim, you have the moral obligation to refuse and insist on properly done maintenance or reporting issues to FAA. Reality is, no one likes to take accountability, just blame it on the “big greedy bosses”
@Goose Tater If you know something we don't then please share your wisdom with us, I'm not above being educated. Though if your goal is just to troll that's fine too, troll away!
The "Ah, here we go" phrase impressed me too. It's definitely not what I would have said under the same circumstances. It shows the bravery and professionalism that imbues the great majority of pilots and cabin crew. My small show of appreciation to them is to say thank you with a smile every time I offboard. It's the least I can do.
I said a similar thing as my friend almost drove off a cliff (no guard rail). I felt at peace even though I knew what was about to happen. I don't know how, but he made a sharp left turn at the last second and we ended up crashing into some rocks. Genius was driving way too fast in an unfamiliar road and I was dumb enough to be his passenger.
@@JoeGnome I believe in God. I really can't explain how that car was able to make a sharp turn at that speed when the front tires appeared to be on the dirt.
@Goose Tater They were following procedure when dealing with the problem. Even in the video there's dialogue between the maintenance on the ground and the pilots. They were doing things designed to try and regain control of the airplane. Blaming the pilots here is asinine.
@Goose Tater Hey look, another asshole pretending he's hard on the internet. Funny, you did give an answer, but it just was in your usual moronic style. "asinine" about describes your attitude, if I'm feeling generous. I'm not. "Fucktard" sounds much more accurate. Sigh, another damn snowflake. Dismissed.
@Goose Tater Unless it's YOUR hindsight... then it's about 0/0. There's no saving face now. You're just a moronic twit who thinks being an asshole makes him superior. With the horrendous lack of critical thinking you've displayed, I'm sure you couldn't free yourself from a wet paper bag if your life depended on it.
My neighbor and life long friend was killed on this flight. Still miss her and her kids were devastated 😢 💔 I will always keep Jan in my heart. She was always happy and laughing and I can still hear it
I'm sorry for your loss ..may she enjoy peace not rest in it and by that I mean why rest in Paradise when she can look down smile and prepare for her family and friends
@@isayedit1806 - Hush you vile troll, and go back to your home under the bridge. 😤🧟♂️ Why's some boomer gonna come on here lying about this?! WTF?! She's not some weirdo... like the kinds of people who harass people online when they talk about their dead friends.
The Maintenance dispatch WAS TOTALLY WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can anyone here even imagine being in that situation only to hear the Maintenance dispatch using the phrase "Oh uh geez!"
Yeah like see you poor bloody people at the gates of heaven. Jesus Christ. Maybe limited in an adequate response to give you their situation. Most likely knew they were completely fucked. Having no solution. Other than to simply imply. See you on the other side.
At no point did the flight crew declare an emergency, and the captain said that the plane was relatively under control at that point, so to the maintenance crew, it was an unusual situation that they would figure out once the plane landed. Only *after* that conversation did the pilots lose control when the stabilizer failed. Even if they knew exactly what the problem was, nothing could have been done to repair it in the sky, so your criticism of the maintenance staff is absurd.
@Sarah Hodgins I think the replies here are to a comment, (likely from someone who has never had anything like this responsibility) about how worthless the maintenance crew was on the radio. First, I'm pretty sure, the person on the radio was NOT likely the person who did a half assed maintenance job, previously! And just because they worked for the same company, does NOT make them culpable! They may have stood up to the corruption multiple times in their location! I'm not an airline mechanic, but have worked in multiple companies, where I was regarded as very good at mechanical problem solving. often expected to be able to just talk people through a situation that would not be easy in the shop, let alone on the side of a mountain, I'm not even there, and not finishing the job at hand, isn't an option to the people running the broken equipment....... At some point you just don't have anything more to say.
@@vinsanity982 You don't even need statistics. A derailing train vagon (car) seldom kills people, maybe some poor dude with a bad heart. In contrast, derailing high speed trains have been seen to be trown up in the air so that several vagons crashes almost like a plane. Reducing the speed is everything. I simply don't want to go any faster than about 100 km/h.
G B LOL. Right. I have a flight tomorrow and I’m compelled to ask the pilots how many flight hours they have and if they understand all procedures to take during an emergency.
@@chibailon it doesn't even matter how many hours of flights they've done. It could be mechanical failures which is rare and most of the time very experienced Pilots make the worse decisions. Flying commercial is still the safest method of transportation but still scary.
It is scary @chibailon @reno lopez but honestly the odds of this happening are way out there in the extreme. This is tragic, and yes it's because the right set of circumstances occurred due to improper maintenance that caused this. No matter how unlikely the event is, it doesn't provide catharsis to those that have been died in a tragic accident like this. The thing is, I feel this is more of a numbers game more than anything. Eventually if you do something enough times, as in millions of times in this case, people will make mistakes. These mistakes are not necessarily mistakes that were meant to be malicious, but by sheer accident where because of XYZ reason something wasn't checked multiple times because a maintenance guy was texted or distracted etc. at just the wrong times. Not using this as an excuse, but just explaining how things could be overlooked based on long odds. That said, domestic commercial airlines these days are INSANELY reliable and safe. Sure, you can get thrown around by some turbulence which can be scary, but the odds of a domestic plane crashing like the one seen here is about 1 in 10 million OR MORE. Think about it like this, if you look at domestic U.S. airlines (leaving out foreign airlines since they don't have the same regulations by the FAA), since 2010 over a decade ago, to my knowledge there have been no serious airline disasters on domestic commercial flights where everyone died in a crash. The main cause of deaths on domestic aircraft now are turbulence related, where someone trips, falls or hits their head. So there you have it. Over a decade we've had some close calls like the incident with Captain Sully, but there have been no major fatalities in over a DECADE. Think of all the millions and millions of domestic flights that have taken off and landed over the past decade! It's actually insanely reliable! You probably have a better chance of dying next time you take a dump in your bathroom than you do on a typical domestic flight. If you do anything enough times though, eventually there will be accidents, it's a matter of math. This includes taking an Aspirin, or even taking a piss.
As a aircraft mechanic for 30 years, this is so distressing to watch and know what was happening. The problem today is a lot of jobs are being filled with "contractors". Not the same as dedicated mechanics. Pressure to complete a task should be at the bottom of the list.
These pilots were heroes, they never stopped trying, even upside down they were still fighting, they deserve all the respect. Who don't deserve any respect are the people in charge of this company, who had terrible security policies, including their maintenance, who were more worried about schedule than to the lives that were lost.
88 lives lost all because of shoddy workmanship during a scheduled maintenance and saving a few dollars by substituting the recommended lubricant with a non-approved substance. I hope heads rolled over this.
I've never told this online and I dont know why I'm a little uncomfortable telling the story. I was working as a final checker in the US NAVY on Coronado Island and we had a couple of Jets (s-3a vikings) getting ready to fly. If I remember right the jet I was with if it didnt get airborne was going to go over its time without flying. So there was pressure to get it up.There were plenty of delays but it was finally getting ready and both engines where "turnin and burnin". I was going over the jet with my flashlight (it was nite ops) on the port side wheel and brake assembly I noticed all the safety wire broken all over the wheel and brake assembly and a gouge on the brakes (the right side was good). I went to my QA on the site who was a friend of mine who outranked me. I started Yelling over the jet engines that there was a problem and stop the flight that the wheel assembly was a mess. My buddy yelled right back in my ear "F" IT its going to fly. I ignored him and sprinted down the flight line to a first class petty officer from QA that out ranked him and had more experience. He came over and took one look with his flashlight and shut down that flight. I remember the pilots getting off and they looked NOT happy at all. I did get an award but..the real lesson was dont be influenced by the wrong people.If I would have listened to my buddy there would have been an accident on take off or landing.
I think the movie Flight is based on this crash. One of the most influential demonstrations of never giving up until the last moment even if the odds are against you.
It’s not based on this crash exactly, but that plane does get intentionality inverted by the captain to keep it from pitching downward. It is about his personal struggles in life and his addiction more than it is really about a plane crash.
My dad flew Bell Huey in the 70's for an unspecified AF. His squadron buddy survived an incredible crash on a spec-ops extract: they were hit by SAM shrapnel and thought they lost all hydraulics because controls seemed unresponsive. What happened in reality is that hydraulics were still partially working, but stick feedback was lost. This made it seem like hydraulics were entirely lost. With smoke in the cabin and spiraling down to the earth, his buddy kept fighting the plane instead of saying 'fuckit'. He managed to land it with only minor injuries to everyone onboard. The moral is: "Never give up, never surrender".
“His buddy kept fighting the plane..” I think you meant Chopper or Bird as they were called in Nam. Did they survive the War? Become commercial pilots after?
My grandpa worked for the airlines all his life as a maintenance mechanic then became the chief supervisor mechanic . When he worked on these jet airplanes he was serious about rules, regulations and proper instructions. I'll bet if he was in charge of this airplane, this shit would not have happened. The stories he used to tell me were crazy. He would ever take short cuts and reuse older parts even if the part worked perfectly fine. If the part had a 1,000 hours maximum limit and it show's 1,001hour usage, in the trash or recycling it would go. If somebody would say "this part is still good" but It was passed it's time, he refused the part and replaced it with new, no matter the coast. His crew did not, under any circumstances, slack on the job. He had zero tolerance for slacking, substituting parts, Jerry rigging repairs. He always said passengers lives were more important than time and money and people's lives are in his hands. He refused to do things halfway in haste. He did not play games with peoples lives.
If you Grandfather is still around , thank him for me. Every time I flew passengers my crew knew our safety depended on the quality of work performed by our maintenance department. A lot of times passengers would and the flight attendants would thank us for a smooth safe flight. I would always tell them it was only possible due to our mechanic's skill and dedication to safety. Often they do not get the recognition they deserve. We had a chief inspector just like your grandfather , it might have been him. We are only as safe as the aircraft is reliable. Once again this captain says hats off and thank him for his dedication to quality and integrity.
It sounds like your Grandfather shows respect for everyone. He is a true hero who put lives first. Personally, I take time and pride in my work. I don't work for an airline company, but considering that screw was stripped in the first place, that throws a red flag, and no amount of lubricant could've fixed a nut that was on a stripped rod, period!
If the Captain says he is going to land at LA the dispatcher should not have questioned him- he should have wholeheartedly supported him. That sounds like a greedy company's directive to me. Alaskan Airlines has earned a lifetime ban from me.
well put I agree 100% those guys had an emergency from the word go, he tried so damn hard to do what he felt necessary to keep that damn thing aloft til he was over that landing strip, I think as soon as he could see the strip he would flipped the plane back over to execute the landing, I cried when I saw this , the capt. and his 1st off. tried so damn hard to save that plane and all its passengers an crew , its an aweful shame he wasted so much time fucking around with airtraffic controls bullshit and just told them im coming back to land there isn't 2 ways about it, now clear the fucking runway now you bunch of dumb bastards , were all about to die here you dumb son of , oooooooo, just makes me so angry, if you time it, from the 1st occurrence had he just turned around put in at least 3/4 flaps and full speed flaps,and spoilers, to slow down considerably, pulled the power back, lowered his gears, there was time for him to make it back to the field and land that thing safely, but because of all the bullshit, it cost everyone there lives and it didn't have to happen had he just turned around at the 1st onset of trouble , he would have made it, damn that pisses me off something terrible , when you notice a serious problem like his , you play Dixie, you get that thing back to the nearest strip and get it on the ground period , to hell with the dumb shit , sorry about all the s bombs an everything, this one really eats at me, there only worried about money, they only worship money that's what matters to these bastards , the annual profit report, an ask are earnings up this quarter ? piss up a rope boss ,there,s your earnings dig in a pile of raccoon turds , that's were your earnings report is , in a big pile of shit, there so damn cheap when it comes to making the correct repairs and using after market parts that don't last for shit, but they,ll still put,em on an send it out , in think when a large number of people die in a large airliner crash the owner of that airline should be sued to the maximum allowable by law, then thrown in jail for life no parole , let,em rot an think about the cheapness bastard hes been for the next 30 to 50 yrs which ever comes 1st
@Goose Tater here's the root of the whole problem: the screw. It had such a bare amount of threading on it, approximately .001 left, but Alaska Airlines refused to sign a request from the chief mechanic that it needed to be replaced before the plane could fly. No matter what, the screw was going to end up separating from the bolt. Do you even know what the threading on a screw is for? Or do you even know that a screw has threading? *END OF DISCUSSION*
@Duane Sanders, you are right. Isn't it so sad that the Airlines act that way? And the nightmare of all of this is that it was OWNED BY BOEING because they bought McDonnell Douglass. I am not flying anything from Boeing. This includes any plane that is operated by Boeing Company. You'd be amazed at all the airlines that are under "Boeing's Rule."
yea that dispatcher, I hope he got fired. I wish the pilot-and not taking ANYTHING away from his performance or that of the F/O- would have said "we have a problem and we are going to LA" period. I lost 2 friends on that flight......but would feel the same regardless.
can you imagine what the passengers were going through the entire time this was going on ??? can you imagine being one of those onboard during this flight of hell ?? upside down , at 24,000 ft. upside down an heading into the ocean at over 600 MPH nose 1st , the nightmare onboard in that cabin , the sound of those poor souls ,screaming til there was nothing but silence , your right, pure terror, is a good way to put it , honestly, I think it was a little worst than that even , my GOD , please grant all those onboard this flight peace and rest, and may you lead them all into your kingdom of true paradise in Jesus Name, A,Men. a 1000% agree with you on your comment
My heart goes out to the pilots. They did everything they could to keep the plane flying. I hope the one who said they'd "see you at the gate" ate his words.
That mechanic should of never been fired he knew what he was talking about they would not listen him. I'm so sorry they all had you loose their life's because they would not listen to that mechanic.
in regards to your statement, I too, wished that they had made it back to the runway, in this case, im a private pilot of much smaller aircraft, single engine fixed high wing Cessna 172 skyhawks, im certified in 5 types of single engine planes, anyhow, had i been the pilot in this case, I instantly would have slowed the plane down way down to almost stall speed, meaning til it almost falls from the sky to take off the pressure of the wind passing over the elevator that the jackscrew is connected to, you see, less wind pressure pushing against it the less it wants to be pushed or pulled, see,but as soon as I caught the problem I would have headed to the nearest runway right as I caught this serious very serious problem ,and made the mayday call as I was making my way back to the closest runway possible not caring which one it may have been, just wanting to land it A.S.A.P. saying mayday as im heading to the nearest runway, I understand the pilots idea of turning the plane upside down because it was always pitching downwards so naturally being upside down you would think, okay when we were up side right, it wanted to go down, but now that were upside down maybe it,ll want to go back up, but as we all seen it was to no avail at first it did seem to be staying up, as it did appear to continue to fly, but even being upside down it still pitched downwards , that has me somewhat confused as when it was flying normally it wanted to pitch down really ,really bad, you or anyone wouold think as the pilot did thought well if the plane was upside down it might stay up, which it did seem to work at first, but what happened ? as bad as it wanted to pitch down when it was flying normally you would think it would have flown and wanting to pitch back up, but after a a few seconds again it started pitching downwards again , for the life of me, this one I cant figure out, I too thought it would want to pitch back up being in that position but it still went down ???? im very sad about how hard these pilots tried to keep there plane flying, its heart wrenching reading what was said to the end, knowing all those on board were killed , I think of all those people , such a tragedy , and so terrible all the way around, yes, I did say to myself, I wish they had made it back, I always do in these video,s of why planes crash, and air disasters , there all extremely sad to watch , I wish more than anything that these multi billion dollar companies would come up with a way to never have another airliner crash ever again , there,s a airplane company that now has a plane that if the plane encounters trouble staying in the air, the pilot can deploy a parachute from the planes fuselage (main frame ) and like a man in a chute it allows the plane to safely float back to the ground without anyone getting hurt or worse yet, killed , now with this in mind, with the billions of dollars spent in this airliner industry they could easily incorporate very large parachutes onto these jet liners , so when they can no longer stay flying there large parachutes can be deployed by the pilots , make it to where the wings pop off, along with the tail section making the main body where all the people are as light as possible so the parachutes have a easier job of allowing the body of the plane to gently float down back to the ground with all on board alive and safe , I like this idea, everytime a liners in trouble everybody has to die, well my idea keeps everybody alive, isn't that the goal here ? ive been blessed by never having any problems flying my small planes, PRAISE GOD !!! but a company out in CAL. are building this plane its a small single engine like the ones I fly, but they come standard with a parachute in case of an emergency , in fact theres a video on here that shows the plane floating back to the ground and the pilot getting out unharmed , amazing right ? so if they can do it on his plane then why not put parachutes on the airliners ? if not the plane itself they should pass them out to the passengers as they board the jetliners so if the pilots says were going down everyone prepare to jump , they should be given that option to be able to save there own lives if they choose, and not go down with the plane and die in a huge ball of fire , in most of these accidents ill call,em that for now, every time our bodies never stay in one piece, when a plane hits the ground at over 600 hundred MPH our bodies bust apart in hundreds of pieces a foot here, a hand there, yes its true, you know this if you,ve been watching enough of these video,s that never does a body stay as we look if they had died on the ground, not the case, when they crash bodies turn into hundreds of tiny pieces some bigger than others some smaller than others but never a whole body is found in one whole piece , just doesn't happen , they find a head here, a leg there, and so on , its always been that way, in every air crash of a liner that's how they find the what were once people , now there just parts like the plane just tiny pieces both people and plane, most can never be identified because of this but D.N.A. has helped a lot in identifying loved ones remains now, it takes time but they do manage to tell who it is by this method or dental records or a tattoo, article of clothing, even in some cases the head is still intact and can be looked at to see the persons face still, I know this is hard to take, but its the reality of boarding a airliner and being involved in a crash of it, im so sorry to have to tell you this, as like you I too wish it didn't or never happens but , it does, an its awful to see the after effects of a airliners crash site fresh right after one crashes , theres video,s of that on here as well , I say either hand us all the passengers a parachute , or make the entire plane a strong enough frame and body tombe able to handle floating back to the ground by way of parachutes that can do the job of getting us back to the ground unharmed and alive in one piece, that would be a few solutions ive thought of ever since the wright brothers 1st flight, but parachutes weren't around back then, bad for those guys but good for us now in todays flying , I mean hey they have sky diving clubs all over the place these days people are willfully jumping out of good flying planes for the sake of sky diving , me ill stay inside the plane and fly it , if people want to jump out of a perfectly good flying plane well that's there right, as we all have the right to do as we please , so I say knock yourselves out, LOL have a good jump but as far as the airliner crashes , we should be able to jump out of one if its going to crash and theres the chance of being killed, im jumping , in that case I will jump out of the plane, but only if its going to crash , thank you for your comment , I hope they figure this out soon , id like to see the day come when no one has to die because they want to fly somewhere, GOD BLESS W.H.W. 9-1-19
It's so easy to say what we would have done if we were in the same situation. Much easier to say when we don't have all the facts. We also have to remember that the pilots were not only thinking of their passengers, but they didn't want to put down a damaged aircraft in a heavily populated city (LA) where there would have been an even larger death toll, had the plane crashed there.
A family friend's mother was on that flight. The friend got compensated but it was a mere pittance compared to the real loss. Years later while attending my annual flight training ground school this accident was highlighted for discussion. After seeing it in detail, the NTSB report and audio, I was very sad because of my indirect relationship. I let my friend know that the accident was being studied so that we can continue to learn and be better.
The real shame of it is they already knew enough to avoid the accident. They just went out of their way to let the defective part remain defective because it would cost them money to fix. A comment above shows that the maintenance crew had discovered the problem prior to the flight but it was ignored by higher ups. When this came to light, it was swept under the rug! Honestly, willful violations of air safety regulations like this should be crimes punishable with prison time. Certainly loss of employment (at the c-level) and absolutely massive regulatory fines. That will never happen though. Your life is far less important to them than their corporate profits. And the government agrees.
was there really anything to learn from this that was not already known? dont take shortcuts. dont try to save money at the expense of critical systems...etc, etc...
Ever notice that when you’re driving a car you feel no worry even when driving in hazardous conditions? But when you’re a passenger you’re on edge. That’s how the pilots felt.
This is very terrifying and sad to watch. I wish there could have been a better outcome. But that's life. I can only imagine how it felt to be a passenger experiencing all of this.
I can only imagine it being a living hell. Like your sitting there having a peaceful time maybe reading a book, taking a nap or even listening to music. Then your yanked forward violently as the plane nosedives. Everyone around you is screaming and your ears are ringing or popping from the altitude. Then it suddenly becomes stable again. Everyone is looking around, and outside the windows. The person next to would probably be freaking out and you would hear someone violently sobbing around you. Around this time your stomach starts to knot in fear. Then it nosedives again. People are screaming--cups and luggage might be falling around you. After a short amount of time it becomes stable for the final time. The flight attendant leaves to go check the cockpit and they come back sweating with fear. It’s barely visible though. They try to calm some of the passengers down. Finally, the plane violently flips over and a crew member is slammed against the roof of the plane. Many others are barely holding on in there seats. You hear beeping and masks come down from above. (The masks would most likely be pressurized to the roof of the plane due to it being upside-down, so maybe not) You can only face your inevitable death as you plummet to the ocean below. You might even close you eyes, tune the screams out. Then everything goes black. Rest In Peace everyone on that flight it seems so terrible to die that way.
Fought to the very end, these brave men. Trying to even fight the plane upside down in a desperate attempt to stop the crash... May God rest their souls ♥️
This still makes me sick, we knew four people on that flight, Sarah, an off duty flight attendant, her husband and their two little girls. We knew Sarah when she was going to flight attendant school in Seattle, she was so sweet...
I was on CHP motor patrol in Ventura that day. My training Officer and I were sent to the Port Hueneme Naval base as initial State liasons for the disaster. The first boat came to the dock with many plastic bags of the victims' remains shortly after we arrived.......very shocking. At first no one could figure out why the airliner had crashed, but once the data from the flight recorder was recovered and the jack screw failure identified, it was clear the lack of required maintenace caused these deaths. Criminal negligence. Who was held responsible? I also provided motorcade escort for the 40 buses taking the families to the funeral service. May those who lost their lives and the families who lost loved ones be at peace. I will remember them.
Fuck the Nazi Police! Welfare recipients ....you should be ashamed! I was a Gulf WAR B-52 Pilot! just don't think u oathbreakers are real OFFICERS.....
I don’t know why I keep watching these videos it just makes me fear flights even more. It’s so sad seeing that people that are supposed to be professional in these situations start acting like children. Big respect to the pilots for giving it all they got.
Sew Me Something nobody paid them to not have appropriate concern for what was going on. At the very least they could’ve said “I’m sorry, we don’t know what’s going on” but they just acted like “oh I’m sure they’ll be fine, we’ll see em later and laugh about how panicked they were when the plane was malfunctioning. Planes never crash and no one ever dies in a plane crash, nope everything’s fine.”
Will Howard I’m not talking about ATC, I’m talking about the maintenance people that the pilots spoke to who were supposed to know what was going wrong with the plane, but instead blew it off.
My thoughts exactly!!! I'm sure people were falling out of their seats and sh*t was flying all over the place...... they all probably knew in the back of their minds that this was it.
@@holdencommodore2200 they shouldn't fall out of their seats if they had their seatbelts on. I even wonder if they felt negative G's or just the weightlessness of free falling
The lawyer that was hired by the relatives to the victims said that you could hear the screams of the passengers on the CVR. What made this crash even worse was the violent dive that happened minutes before the actual crash. The passengers basically got a taste of what to come. Other crashes usually happen so fast that the passengers don't have time to register it. Here they experienced what it was like to be in a plane diving towards the sea, and then they got a few minutes of calm, where they had time to think about the situation and worry about something happening again. Then when something DID happen, they were upside down and crashing.
were his lasts words really "ah, here we go"? if theres one thing ive learned from watching these videos its that pilots are the least dramatic most professional people on earth. i couldnt imagine staring at the ocean fast approaching like that and not completely loosing it.
I highly doubt those were his last words. In most instances like this, the families of the deceased will request that some of the Black Box recordings are kept private. These pilots were experienced and they knew the plane was going to crash. I'm sure they said a word to loved ones before finally going down.
The worst I ever felt for a pilot after watching and listening to these videos is the pilot for USAir flight 427. I know all these pilots are supremely good at what they do but this guy seemed especially duped by the failed jammed rudder. Right up to crash you can feel his frustration as he brainstorms and encourages his co pilot. He knows something is terribly wrong and even if he figured out what it was he didn’t have altitude or speed to do anything. The guy always stood out to me. Peter Germano from Pittsburgh. Really popular in the community. A big teddy bear for the kids. And a highly skilled pilot. Extremely bright and smart. RIP Captain
@Goose Tater The NTSB report characterizes some of the flight crew's decisions as "understandable," "prudent," and "appropriate," and other decisions as "not appropriate." If you think it's a fact, not an opinion, that the pilots killed themselves and their passengers, it's a fact that you're an asshole. Nowhere did the NTSB call the pilots a "FAILURE" in all-caps or call them killers.
what this ntsb # A-02-036 ? whats that mean ? I have a theory on this , I think had they stopped foolin around and just went directly back without anymore who ha , they may have made it back in enough time , I noticed they spent a lot of time doing other things , had it been me flying the plane I would instantly headed for the runway , I mean the instant I caught that wasn't working right, BAM, straight back no questions ,ive declared the emergency as I was heading for the runway, what they encountered was nothing to kid about, that was a extremely serious situation calling for immeadiate input, in which id of instantly headed for the nearest runway as I was heading for it, declaring the emergency, not wasting a single second of time, because when your that high, and going that fast, you have to think on the fly, to me that means get this damn plane back on the ground as fast as I humanly can , the end.
Can only imagine how terrifying it must have been to be anybody on that airplane, but especially a passenger. Ya know, it's actually kinda surprising that there are not a whole hell of a lot more crashes of these big jets. All things considered it's an extremely safe method of travel. My oldest sister was killed in airliner crash. This happened in 1969. The plane was an old DC-3 from Hawthorne Nevada Airlines. My sister and her husband had won a trip on the "Gamblers Special" flight while on the Newlywed Game (If you Google "Gamblers Special, story of doomed 1969 flight, you will see an entire store written by the adventure journalist who climbed to the site not long ago). The plane, carrying 33 people went from Burbank, CA to Reno, people ate, gambled, partied, and then flew back home. The plane was unbelievably flying by dead recogning, and a wind miscalculation by a tired copilot during the stop in Reno doomed everyone on the flight back to L.A, including my then 21 year old sweet sister and her 22 year old husband Pat who had just become a L.A County Deputy Sheriff after spending two years as a Marine Corp M.P in Siagon. Their flight left out of Reno at 2:30am local time and ultimately slammed into the side of Mt Whitney. It is an extremely difficult place to get to. The plane wasn't found for several weeks, and 2 people were killed in a helicopter crash during recovery efforts. 40 years later, the climber/writer who went up to the site discovered that everything is still there, luggage, plane, clothes, personal items, etc.......You will find it a fascinating story if you'd care to read about it.
These videos are amazing and gut wrenching at the same time. I dont work in maintenance but I do work for an aerospace alloy manufacturer. A lot of those engines parts are made from our alloys. Some times I sit at home and worry that I may have made a mistake 10 years ago and the NTSB will come knocking. Every paper I sign states the consequences of making a mistake. Really puts my job into perspective. The guys out front make millions. Every piece metal that leaves our facility was made by myself and my crew or the midnight crew. We have an unreal amount of testing to insure quality and im sure the customers do as well. Just something I think about, and my stomach absolutey rolls when I hear of an engine failure.
A neighbor's daughter and new son-in-law were on this flight. She never really recovered from this. These tragedies affect so many more lives than just the people on the plane.
@@TheIVJackal No, her daughter was in her early twenties and returning home from her honeymoon... it was very tragic and affected the whole community up here as we're a very close community where everyone knows everyone.
As a pilot, I have had to deal with some very bad issues. A bad fuel line, a turbine that shut down mid flight. It's like everything and anything is trying to kill you. I landed on a long highway once and pulled into the median. Highway patrol had closed the road. Had a full load of bombs, rockets, and so forth. 2 hours later we were back in the air. Never know what is going to happen. These 2 pilots did their best, bought time for everyone.
I'm a mechanic, although not an airplane mechanic. I work on military tracked vehicles, M1 Battle Tanks, and so forth. One of the lead men in my company is always trying to cut corners to save time and when I refuse to cut corners he starts making it hard for me to do my job, thus slowing progress. It's a shame that people do this kind of stuff, trying to make themselves look good on paper while not providing, even inhibiting proper maintenance. People like this should have the shit kicked out of them.
@@robertgantry2118 were you a civilian contractor on base? I'm a motor t mechanic in the Marines and I have a civilian dude that works with me on trucks and such.
I totally agree Robert, i worked in the UK mining industry for 20 years as a faceworker, and I lost a really good friend due to cutting corners with those in charge knowingly allowing this to happen, it cost one man his life and those responsible paid no price, this shit stinks but that's the way profits have made things, human life is worth jackshit when compared to profit. Mankind is nothing other than a greedy bastard... George C.
@CrystalCritter Yes. If they were women they would have just sat there screaming like all the other passengers the first time they encountered a problem. They never would have remained calm and worked through their training. They never would have thought to invert the plane to buy themselves more time. And if by some stroke of luck the plane inverted itself, they most likely would have listened to the planes warning system and "pulled up" when they were inverted. Have you ever been around women in an emergency? They're completely useless. Nothing but frantic panic and screaming. OMG what's with women and screaming?
@Goose Tater Well technically they did make it worse when they initially decided to pitch the plane down to attempt to fix the problem. But maybe the screw would have eventually failed completely anyway, we'll never know. I don't think they were heroes though, their lives were in just as much danger as everyone elses from the beginning and they had no other options than to try and fix the problem.
Possibly the most famous avoidable air accident - nicely told. Nice wrap-up with the memorial sundial dedication, etc. The amount of work compiling this info and then putting it all together is immense - well done.
mad respect to the pilots, they fought even with their physical strength until the end. plus i can’t imagine what was going on in everyone’s head on that flight
@@phatbackbeat6553 They were forced by corporate to roll back the maintenance checks, and unless they wanted to be fired they had to do what they were told.
@white zebra how was it on captain ? Are you suggesting he did something wrong here??? I hope not, he was wkg against all odds, it was impossible scenario and he fought till very end he did his best, plus kept them from impact of total nose dive! Best he cld do So sad RIP to all on that flight ☹💔😢
Peter Petrov that’s what’s happening with Boeing. Max’s issues. Also early cracking on other planes. And yet, they want to fly them again. And the stock market loves it. BA is skyrocketing because investors know they’ll do anything to keep the profit up. Even if it means a few crashed planes.
I could’ve watch the whole thing, but was appalled how the flight controller said to keep going . . . If I was the pilot it would been SOS, we need to land NOW
What an idiot radio dispatcher haves no experience is a stupid person with no common sense , the life of the 88 passengers, didnt know the life or death decision was in ✋ of a traffic control dispatcher the captain and the pilots end up doing what he said instead of say fuck that I'm landing this bird fuck ur schedule its delayed so fuck off instead
I fail to see what the owners have to do with this situation. They pay the wages of employees to carry out maintenance. The last thing the owners want is death, then they have to pay out more money in fines, lawsuits, settlements, and suffer lost business due to bad PR.
The owners didn't want to shell out for the grease on the jackscrew. That, and the time required to grease that part is considerably longer than on the similarly sized 737, due to the unique "T-tail" configuration of the DC-9/MD-88 aircraft.
So sad can you imagine how scared the flight crew and passengers must’ve felt in that plane, bags going everywhere, people falling who hadn’t got their seat belt on, and the pilots who knew that there was nothing they could do and they were going to die. Truly heartbreaking rip 💔
I had about 5,000 hours in the same type. I had retired about 7 years before this incident, but remember being thankful that the vice president of maintenance at my airline, a former pilot, had always run a very efficient, "Tight ship".
@@Zzeke Take another look near the 14 minute 12 second part of the video. The answer to your question is in the NTSB findings for why the controls were so heavy for these pilots that day. Normally they wouldn't be heavy but when you have catastrophic failure of critical components it becomes a recipe for disaster.
I had the unfortunate job of working the crash. I was a member of the Pt Hueneme Base Police. I was there that night when the first victims were recovered and for the next 12 days straight. Also worked the one year anniversary of the crash. God bless the victims and their families.
These pilots were in a game of chess with the broken airplane.....They did not give up! It ended in a stalemate with a valiant effort for the win, god bless these two for fighting to the end!!!!
Pilot: We NEED to land in Los Angeles! ATC: [haughtily] Yeah, well, you can't do that because you'll throw our other flights off. Try to land somewhere else. Me: WTFH?!?!?! I hope that SOB is washing dishes in a cheap hole-in-the-wall.
No, ATC was fine with it and supported them with altitude blocks and clearing other traffic away. It was Alaskan Airlines company dispatcher that was worried about the timeline.
Exactly and this is something that people dont even notice that although the dispatcher was very guilty jail time guilty the pilot with that kind of treat from atc could ve done more with a better speech with a priority in mind and sure of what was right sure of what he wants and in line. I think although they fought and everything which is good they just needed to demand more respect and who knows maybe just by th9is little kind of detail they would ve prevented a tragedy.
Just want to reiterate, this WAS NOT ATC. ATC will bend over backwards for an emergency. We'll (controller here) help you land ANYWHERE you want. I've had at least 3 emergency aircraft land in fields even. Emergencies have priorities over anything else, even if it closes LAX for a time. That was ALL Alaskan dispatch you're referring to. ATC doesn't have a "schedule." We get paid the same if we talk to 5 aircraft in a day or 3,000.
@228candy I don't know their reasons for choosing LAX or San Diego , but they tried to correct what they assumed was an electoral problem . When it became apparent they had very bad situation on their hands it was probably too late and they chose LA . It seems to me the dispatcher could have done a better job . He came off sounding like someone who was going through the motions with his job when the pilot told him of his serious situation
Riveting reenactment. Knew someone on this flight, and trying to imagine the sheer terror being experienced by her, and all aboard, is not something I could ever quantify. My prayers continue to this day for all lost. 💜
I hope that when my time comes to die I am able to show even one tenth of the courage and grace that these pilots did...sadly, though, I suspect I will not.
You may. You may not. Whatever that moment is in your lifes last moment. You just be as strong as you can. Whatever that is. And accept it for whatever it is. Well... I mean suppose you won't have that much of a choice in that 'final moment' will you? People can only ever be so prepared I presume. People have found strengths in them. They didn't ever believe possible. So do not ever under estimate the hidden Power. All humans possess. God bless
I dont think Im gonna scream, Ive never screamed in my life despite being in a few life or death situations. I'd imagine a low pitch omg and close my eyes at that moment.
I am from Alaska and fly this airlines almost exclusively and remember vividly when this happened. I am a very nervous flyer and every time I fly I think of this flight crew. Their professionalism and determination to fly right up to the end brings me comfort.
Alaska Air is now one of the safest rated air carriers in the US. No one has died on their planes in the last 20 years I think and they maintain some of the newest aircraft fleets. The airlines you want to be wary about are the smaller regional airlines in Alaska, they have some of the worst records in the last 2 decades and nobody gives AF. One carrier went through 2 name changes in the last 10 years to avoid being linked to all the tragedies they've caused
I worked for Alaska Airlines in Oakland and you are dead wrong about maintenance being at fault. It was the captain who should have put the airplane on the ground ASAP.he should have never tried to troubleshoot the problem. The jacksrew had broken off and the captain had no control over the horizontal stabilizer so therefore the captain should have declared an emergency and put the airplane on the ground. It was not maintenance fault. I am sick and tired of people blaming maintenance instead of the captain who should not have tried to troubleshoot the problem but put the airplane on the ground ASAP.
@@hellswindstaff91 Those two tragedies share a root cause: the FAA allowing airlines to depart from the manufacturer's recommended maintenance procedures. The DC-10 crashed on takeoff because and engine pylon failed during rotation. The engine had recently been replaced. Douglas recommended that the engine be separated at the pylon, but instead the FAA approved a procedure which kept the engine and pylon remain attached-- removing the entire assembly from the wing. This caused a crack to form on the pylon, which failed six cycles later. The Alaska Air incident was stems from the FAA allowing the airline to lengthen the jack screw inspection and maintenance intervals. Both these deviations stemmed from an appeal by the airlines to essentially take time- and money-saving shortcuts.
@@oranpayne1007 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. YOUR AN IDIOT.. Let's follow the line hear. It was PROVEN the jack screw FAILED because it was not properly inspected and lubrecated..... Dispite the fact that the ppr work showed it was... And an interview with the tech showed he said it took like an hrto do the job of checking it and lubbing it dispute the fact that the process papers that tell how long the job should take says around 4 hours to do it RIGHT... So if it takes 4 hours to do it right but he said it was done in one hour then something is amiss hear..... Given the fact that the crash assessment team found ZERO grease on the jack screw and extreme wear and damage to the threads thus leading them to conclude that the jack screw was not checked and lubricated as it should have been. I would say that in this case it was VERY CLEAR that the maintenance crew DID NOT DO THERE JOB......... But let's set that ASIDE for the moment. Let's pretend the jack screw failed completely without the pilot trying to diagnose the issue in flight. Let's say it failed durring decent to land or some other time. And the result was the same catastrophic fail. And that needs to crashing the jet with the loss of all souls onboard..... What would you say THEN!!!??? Because the result is the same. The crew set to keep the bird in good working order didn't do the job and as a result EVERYONE ON THAT BIRD. D I E D !!! So rule of thumb should be... If me not doing my damn job as I'm paid and trained to do can cist millions of dollars in damages and can cause loss of lives..... Then I should DO MY DAMN JOB... or go flip burgers at Burger King!!!!!
My cousin Renato lost his life almost 24 years ago on this flight God bless him and the other 87 souls who lost their lives that day. Mr poor great aunt Rosa paid a parents ultimate nightmare. I never watch this before until today get out of curiosity over the door blow out on the Alaska airlines flight recently thankfully nobody was killed It was very painful for our family
I had the same thing happen at 9,500 feet but on a Howard DGA. It was modified from a 450 hp P&W radial to a 600 hp R1340. The only DGA so modified. Suddenly it pitched straight up from normal cruise. I immediately chopped power to idle, got the nose back on the horizon after a one turn spin. Didn't know what caused it but I had a plane back under control though still with a lot of forward pressure on the column, so much so, even at idle, that I had to put my right knee on the column for relief. Never one to press my luck by tinkering with things to what caused it, I landed immediately at the nearest available airport. Found out the horizontal stabilizer jack screw which controlled trim & elevator, had stripped out after 45+ years of use! Scared the hell out of me. What saved me were Howard aircraft engineers who designed the stabilizer/elevator to hit a fuselage frame member if the jack screw ever stripped out. In other words, the stabilizer/elevator could only move so far before being stopped dead unlike this MD83. If you'd like to read about it and other adventures on the south Texas border running into Mexico, go to Amazon. Type "Over & Back" by Wild Bill Callahan for the ride of your life. If you have problems & not absolutely sure what results your remedial actions will bring....DO NOT SCREW WITH YOUR PROBLEM! If it's flyable, get it on the ground immediately! I have 50+ years of flying antiquated, ill equipped, mechanically unsound aircraft. I was very lucky!
Arjen Yaar .....Arjen, I was actually hauling 8 skydivers. They had jumped just before the jack screw stripped out. I think the turbulence generated by them getting out the door to jump is what caused the jack screw to finally strip out. If they had been onboard at that moment, none of us would be here. I would not have been able to get the nose back down.
@Goose Tater The hypocrisy. You lecture him on taking flight training? I suggest you take some reading lessons. He wasn't criticizing. His words are "Don't under-estimate", which is complementing. Jeez.
@@CitizenOWorld Your post is really strange. So every time someone makes an apology, YOU expect the person being apologized to to log in to TH-cam and say "thanks for the apology", or "I accept your apology"? Most of us are too busy living our lives. TH-cam activity generally ranks low in life's priorities (except yours it seems) Your expectations here takes silliness to a whole new level. And no, I am not apologizing to you for that, you deserve it. Get a life bud. Adios!
Will G - This life means little compared to what comes after. God knows this. Not all prayers are answered because God sees a bigger picture than we could ever imagine.
And were those responsible for this ever prosecuted? Not the mechanics, but those who made the decisions, those who decided cutting costs was more important than the safety of their customers, the very lives of the customers. Those who are in charge of companies, those who constantly pressure their workers to do things faster. They are the problem, and should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter.
Nowadays this trend is getting out of hands. Cheap Airlines are forcing all airlines driving the Costs down and cutting corners. Monopoly isnt good either, but as Airlines are force To kick maintanence crews out and fly planes with overheating engines, its seriously no good
@Goose Tater Well my father flew air force cargo planes through 80's and then jumped into civil aviation in early 90's. He flew inter-european flights as a captain in Finnair. He didnt talk much about these things but he did complain a couple of times in late 2000's how their ground crew was mostly bulgarian. At the time there was a large complaint for Finnair kicking ground crews out. Instead they hired bulgarian ground crews To work on their planes. And those guys even installed the nav Light incorrectly To his plane. Also the overheating engine is a True story, he was put into an Airbus with other engine warming over 100C° warmer than it ought To. He saw Finnair on its prime in the 90's and early 2000's and when the cheaper budget airliners started operating the whole thing went to shit. So yeah, I can be wrong but this is what i've heard
no those muthafuckers should be fucking thrown in jail for 10 years, then made to pay every family that lost someone in the crash a million dollars each, then anybody wanting to go kick there asses 5 times a week while there serving there time for hustling the mechanics the people that lost family members can go to the prison where there being held and get to beat the hell out of,em for an hour, and pick up there cash on the way out, then after there 10 year tenor, fire the bastards , and tell the fucking F.A.A. to listen the fuck up news bulletin news flash, if you airline owners every push your people to rush ,hurry, or otherwise take there time so nothing is over looked that they will automatically be fucking closed down and fined big time , then taken to court to see if there are indeed guilty of employee hustling , they will be shut down indefinitely never to return to running an airline ever again, fuck those big hunks of flying shit, they may be the lowest being killed rate by way of all types of transportation, but when these fucking things go down hundreds of people die in one crash, and that is just fucking unacceptable by any standard, as long as engineers have been designing aircraft they still don't have a fucking way to save the people on board if the thing fucks up ??? what the fuck are they doing , fucking jerking off all fucking day long, I guess since more people die in auto accidents its okay, the fuck too, you muthafuckers down at the F.A.A. need a size 14 shoved up your fucking ass , if it were up to me these fucking things meaning airline jets would all be grounded and a new design to put huge parachutes on the bodies of the main fuselage, everything would drop away from the airplane leaving the passenger part to be captured by the huge parachutes and it lands safely on the ground with no more people having to die in these hunks of shit, there fucking big chunks of junk, as long as we don't take measures to employ safety mechcanisums in place, people will continue to die by the hundreds , man made flying hunks of junk , even the 747,s fuck those too flight 800 4 or 500 people died that night on that fucking thing , and as much money as the GOV. spends on space exploration in fact heres one for ya, nasa just let a 90 billion dollar explorer go straight to hell an lost it was burnt out and trashed , over 90 billion dollars, now do you think for a second 90 billion dollars applied to re designing airliners so when they fuck up and the pilots cant do dick about it, we might be able to come up with a way to save the people on the muthafuckers with that 90 billion ??? fuck all these things there nothing but flying hunks of shit, waiting to fuck up, because ofbeing rushed, well, I think my idea,s are pretty effective but I need your backing everyone , support me in my cause to save lives on these things , make your donations payable to me, on my paypal make a note or place a message to supporting saving lives on jet liners inc. to W.H.W. help me help everyone live a little longer , in these damn flying pieces of junk , im tired of seeing so many people die at there hands and the owners walk away without a damn thing happening to ,em there free as a bird to not give a damn or even care, which they don't
great idea, I agree a fucking smooth 100% , bastards, an those poor pilots tried so hard to keep that fucked up thing in the air as long as they possibly could, I wish they had made it back to the airport an landed that hunk of shit, an went an beat the fuck out of the owners, then quit, fucking assholes , but good idea , I like that, but since there greedy bastardss that don't care about nothing but money for the 88 people , lets give these bastards a nice even 100 years for good measure , fuckin dick heads
@@lenalee5516 You most likely wouldn't die of a heart attack. You're trying to imagine yourself on this flight and how horrific it would be and you can't imagine it so you create a easy way out. You would be crapping your pants screaming all the way with the other passengers until you hit the water. I just can't imagine their fear. I feel like puking just thinking about it.
@@latashahoward3943 yeah. Unless you already have some pre-existing heart condition, it's not possible for intense stress/fear to cause you to have a heart attack. It's so awful and sad what these passengers experienced.
I'm an automotive mechanic and I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to do a half assed job. I know my job isn't life or death, unless I'm working on brakes, but I take pride in doing it right. If that mechanic had just done his job correctly the first time 88 people would have been able to see their families. He/she didn't just destroy 88 lives, he destroyed 88 families.
Good you do your job well. I'm in my 50's and most of the time I look over my car now, especially the area where I had work done and to often I find a problem. Pinched electrical wires. Ignition timing sensor wire hitting belt. Spark plug wire on hot manifold. Oil way over full. Door hinge, and latch replaced and now the door hits the body at the hinge end and has chipped off the paint on the edge of the door and body at that point. Thing that showed up later and caused problems. One I remember well, was that the main vacuum tube was against the hot manifold and the car engine would go real fast and slow abruptly. Thankfully God protected me and others and and the car was a stick shift, and I was just coming off the highway when it melted through. People seem to think a car over 5 or 10 years old is not safe. I did not realize until reading here that often airplanes are often older. My cars are all from the 90's and it is concerning to me as to what do I do when I'm much older. I can catch and fix much on the cars and find and fix things others miss, but age on me and the cars will run out. Hopefully the people fixers and the car fixers get better soon.
The MD 80 is the latest version of the DC 9. Back when the DC 9 was being designed and produced, I was a university student putting myself through college, by working part time. I had a job at an aerospace subcontractor, located in the Thousand Oak's area of Southern California. I worked in the engineering department, as a juniour draughtsman. The company had the contract for the actuators located in the horizontal stabilizer in the tail of the plane. I distinctly remember two situations relating to that plane. The company sent a completed actuator to Douglas Aircraft for testing. Douglas got back to the us and were very angry. The actuator had failed the test and when it was opened up, of the eight brakes that were located in the actuator, five were missing and three that were there, were put in backwards. Another time, our chief engineer left the company to pursue other possibilities and two technicians were all we had working there, attempting to pretend that they were engineers. They certainly were not. Anyway one day, one of the technicians called me in to his office and was holding a phone. He points it at me and says "the president of Douglas wants to speak to you"! I just about choked. Remember, I'm simply a student working there part time. I told him that I was not about to speak to the gentleman, as I wouldn't have a clue what to say. What had occurred and what would have blown the whole situation sky high, because it was our normal procedure, was that Douglas would send in their specs for the actuator or whatever we were building for them and we would check it in engineering and add what the chief engineer thought necessary and we would draught a blueprint, which would then be sent to the machine shop to be made. Well, many times I, as a draughtsman, would receive a scribbled up piece of paper from one of the machinists and I would prepare a new blueprint based on the scribbles. This is exactly what occurred in this case and what made the president of Douglas want to speak to me was because my name was on the bottom of the blueprint as having draughted it. He wanted to know, why we changed the specs on that specific part. If I had spoken to him, I would have had to tell him, because a high school drop out, machinist told me to. These memories are true, believe it or not!
Never give up. In the end, all perished, but those pilots fought until the very end to save that plane and everyone onboard. This is arguably one of the most heroic instances in aviation history.
We had a neighbor who was on this flight... a young girl just out of college. It was very sad... the terror of steep dives, pitches and rolls, and then flying upside down for an extended period of time must have been an awful way to go...
This is one crash that makes me really angry. Needless loss of life as a direct result to corporate greed and criminal negligence. And the government failed to act sufficiently after the whistleblower engineer came forward with this info. Nearly 90 people lost the majority of them would still be with us today. Unreal.
186bingo Corporate greed is destroying our country. Employees to CEO ratio use to be 20-30 to one. Now it’s 300-500 to one. The middle class is disappearing and we are turning into a third world country. No joke.
Fred Read I know it’s no joke buddy. Look at history; one of the early signs of the fall of great nations/empires is the vanishing of middle class and growing wedge between wealthy and poor people. We are turning into a banana republic.
These pilots performed like heroes. They actually maintaining some control(and their composure) while flying inverted. They were 0% responsible for the accident. The mechanical failure was unrecoverable.
Thank you for thinking of their families. My friends' parents died on that flight- Linda and Joe Knight. My friends are Pastors Jeff and Melinda Knight of The Rock Church in Monroe, WA. They are awesome, awesome people! And so were their parents.... Yes, we need to pray for the families...
It's mind blowing to learn that an entire aircraft can crash because of the lack of lubricant on one small bolt & nut. Horrifying to think about really.
That maintenance guy should be charged with negligent homicide. He knew he was cutting corners and did it anyway. There is always a push by management to do things faster and cheaper. And this is what it leads to. Unless we make it a crime to cut these corners, they will continue to do it. It is up the the worker to say no and either let them do it properly, or quit. This horror makes me remember what the Nazi soldiers did at the Nuremberg trials. They said "we were just following orders". And now, think about the Republican goal of getting rid of "regulations". How many deaths will follow? Think about Romain lettuce. Monumentally stupid.
@@georgecohen2925 The inspector told management about the destroyed bolt, the bean-counters sent out more inspectors until one of them came back and said it was fine, then they sent the plane out. The maintenance guy deserves blame, sure, but so does the management for giving no shits about safety in the face of profits.
![Alaska Airlines Flight 261 crash [Full CVR]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FYyIgPhNkZ4/mqdefault.jpg)
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Two pilots giving everything they have against impossible odds and never giving up until the very end, Respect.
@Goose Tater do pilots in training get trained on how to deal with this situation?
@Goose Tater Why aren't pilots able to communicate with Plane Manufacturer (ie tech support), plus other pilot experts? Why can they only talk to the airport or airline or read the manual? i don't get it. alot of lives at risk, they should be problem solving with the best problem solvers in the world, not be looking in a manual!
Further west we do have the ability to contact technical support thru a system named sec call. However since there was no flight engineer on board to act as liaison with the company, the pilots were busy trying too keep the aircraft under control. In hind sight we train to fly the aircraft with a jammed stabilizer and the procedure is to turn off the stab trim switch and physically muscle the control column with out benefit of hydraulic or trim assistance. Maybe the pilots were trying to un jam the trim and by doing so led to a greater problem. Something we will never know. As far as listening to goose tater ,he is a total moron shooting of his mouth trying to act intelligent with no flying experience at all. The content of his comments should tell any one with even a small amount of commonsense he is full of as they say in Mexico "El Toro Crapo" Have a great day
Deep respect.
Goose Tater Go to bed.
It's worth mentioning that the pilots inverted the plane and flew the aircraft upside down deliberately, in an attempt to stop the nosedive. They did everything they could until the last minute. What great men.
And if that’s really his last words.. ah, here we go... damn. That was a man at peace with the world.
@Bryan Jones No can do.
For a few minutes I actually thought they were gonna be able to save the plane :/ very sad
@Bryan Jones the same issue that put them in that situation would have pitched the nose down into the water as soon as they turned right side up, disintegrating the aircraft due to the steep angle. At least landing upside down, but level, gave them a shot at survival.
Like the movie
This is why passengers should not get too upset when their flights are delayed or cancelled. A responsible airline would give safety issues a higher priority than your convenience.
Thank you someone smart they should tell someone complaining well you can go but the plane will probably crash and kill you
I remember my mom having a conniption because our flight to florida was delayed due to a malfunctioning APU.
Now that I have a very minimal amount of flight training I'll never complain about a delayed flight again.
Better safe than sorry
What u said has nothing to do with the crash. The crash is because the maintenance was not done despite of knowing the problem.
Man, you're so right and I've never thought about it from that perspective before. You know the airline wants to send out as many planes as possible, because more planes flying means more money. So when there's a delay, it's pretty safe to assure there's a damn good reason.
That senior mechanic who discovered the DAMAGED jackscrew was one of my instructors for a & p school. I respect him greatly. His integrity cannot be overstated. He worked second shift for Alaskan Airlines. They wrote up the jackscrew assy as defective. Came in the next day and the plane was gone. The write up signed off. My instructor kept copies of all the maintenance he performed. When the plane went down he blee the whistle on the corruption involved and the local FAA looking the other way. His reward was to blacklisted from his career. Not too many men would do the right thing under those circumstances. John Liotine still has my respect. I hold myself to this guy's standard.
Great respect for doing whats right, prayers for him
If you see that instructor again, please tell him thank you for being a stand up guy. Thank you. Integrity and character are endangered characteristics these days, he is a rare find.
Are you just repeating the story that your instructor told you, or are you basing it on concrete evidence? 2:48 - "They ask maintenance personnel if there had been any similarly logged incidents for the aircraft and for any solutions. They are told that there are no logged faults on the aircraft for the past 30 days."
@@ItsVideos you can actually go do your own research. He's listed in the Wikipedia article on the incident. You're free to believe orr disbelieve whatever you want. It's not my place to try and convince you of anything.
@@abubaca2683 The Wiki says he blew the whistle in 1998, so what do you mean when you say he blew the whistle "when the plane went down" (in 2000). The Wiki says he was working with the FAA by secretly recording his supervisors, and subsequently the FAA raided Alaska Airlines and got the maintenance records, so what do you mean when you refer to "the local FAA looking the other way"? He sued Alaska Airlines for libel and won a $500,000 settlement, and his resignation from Alaska Airlines was part of the settlement agreement. I think he did the right thing by blowing the whistle, but it's not surprising that he was blacklisted.
“Ahh, here we go”
The words of a man who did not fear his inescapable fate. Fought til the last second, and calmly. Far and few between. Fly high Captain.
The very definition of bravery
If there is flying in His Afterlife for us ... I hope those guys are the pilots :) Kudos! Continue flying high, my good friend The Captain & FO. RIP.
When he said that I thought he meant it in a good way like here we go it's back to normal now, I didn't know the content from the story at all so I was really hoping at least some people would survive RIP to all on board
@@njay4399 i think it was more of a “well let’s see what happens next…” as he had done everything in his power at that point to avoid the danger. So it was more of a let’s see if we did enough to survive type of “here we go”
Even after the plane flipped, those two veteran pilots still tried to keep the plane in the air. If it hadn’t been for the egregious failure of their aircraft I have no doubt they would have figured out a way to land that thing.
I work in maintenance (structures) and these stories remind me to continually strive for my best efforts in quality of work no matter the pressures. I do my best work when I complete tasks on my own time. Not always in the time the company would like me to complete a task in. I haven't been fired yet.
Been doing my job for 28 years now.
Good for you!
God bless you sir. Thank you for everything and everyone’s safety.
Please keep it up, man! You're literally saving lives.
Thank you 🙏
That's awesome man. The world needs far more of your kind of engineering mindset applied. It's definitely not all worth the quicker bucks when lives are at risk. And liability involved. So keep at it mate!
I flew with Captain Ted Thompson in the USAF on the C-141b Starlifter he was an excellent pilot and a great leader! His professionalism and calmness under pressure is no surprise to all of us that knew him, god bless him and he is sorely missed!
If I'm meant to die in a plan crash, I hope it's as fast as possible. To be in fear and tossed around for minutes before the end is just horrific.
Or it can be complete peace, knowing the outcome
This is why people are more scared of dying in a plane crash than a car crash. You have way too long to contemplate certain death.
@@arrynbeacon8077 if you listen to the phone calls made during 9-11, whether it’s someone trapped in the upper floors or on a hijacked plane, most of the callers are calm and even the background screams aren’t so bad.. not at all what I would have assumed
@@dariantaylor6080 yes there were some who were calm but also some who were panicked, which of course is understandable. I guess people just react differently in different situations
@@arrynbeacon8077 it’s like not even close in numbers though. Overwhelmingly calm
Oh man, who else thought this was going to have a happy ending at first? Poor souls.
I THOUGHT so too.
El Chavo no way ,we would have heard about it .
El Chavo who else agrees they should install emergency parachutes to planes and deploy them as soon as they turn off plane engine? I mean if such situations it would save lives vs just crashing at full speed.
I was genuinely upset :(
@@nsr5961 upside down, I'm not sure parachutes would have helped
I've heard the actual voice recorder. The pilots were calm and fighting the controls until they hit the water. They never gave up.
Can you share the CVR with us?
I would not be able to listen. Just the fact that maybe some screams may be heard is just too much😢.
@@AthenaGM snowflake
@@Manieec yeah I would be interested in it too, ideally with the FDR animation
Share the recording
Not mentioned in the video. Excess wear and damage to the stabiliser jackscrew was reported by a mechanic. The mechanic was fired for making a fuss about the neglicted jackscrew.
That's pretty close. A lead mechanic found the jackscrew assembly worn to its service limits and wrote it up on a non-routine card. Someone in management later lined through his findings and claimed the jackscrew was within limits.
The lead mechanic was fired after reporting this to the FAA.
@HAZZARD yeah, that's mentioned in the wikipedia article about the flight
That's firing a whistleblower and should be illegal...it is illegal and I hope he had enough sense to hire a lawyer and punish the airline financially!
@A Frustrated Gamer I flew China airlines ones, was ok
And, then, you read the letters to the editor of the Seattle Times, and a union mechanic makes a threat of more destruction.
I was one of the Coast Guard members on scene in the recovery efforts. This was the worse tragedy in my Coast Guard Career. I will never forget about it the images are still in my head.
condolences x
Thank you for your service. Terrible day, for everyone including you.
Sorry to hear mate. God bless you.
Thank you for your service, it takes something else to be able to do what you did. God bless
I could never have been in the Coast Guard. Just the thought of having to work so hard out in the elements aboard ships is hard to imagine. You guys and gals are freaking amazing.
I’m amazed at the ability of the pilots to keep their head; in that sky flew the bravest of men.
Goose Tater shut ur dumbass up
Goose Tater I’m starting to think you’re the Alaska mechanic who didn’t do his job.
Test pilots who fly planes to find the limits of said plane have the biggest balls ever
@@nyoah1👌
@Peter Evans what dummy?
If I’d been a passenger on that flight I would’ve been hoping and praying to just black out, especially once it rolled. Heartbreaking to imagine how everyone must’ve felt in those last minutes. And how strong those pilots had to be!
I too like to believe that they somehow "blacked out" and didn't feel a thing....
A good part of the guys would be thinking, 'we are so hosed', "one last thrill in my life", this better be instant when we smack the water. "
@@marybarry2230 There should be a sleeping gas that can be released to the passenger compartment under these circumstances.
@@jasonthurston799 pretty scary thought either way! God bless them!
Makes me wonder if there should be an emergency depressurization ability so the victims could go out while asleep
It pisses me off that the vast majority of these accidents are due to maintenance being lazy. When people's lives are on the line you need to do your damn job and do it right.
I worked in maintenance in several industries, I've always always found PMs done in the system and not actually done. The most mundane tasks like inspection of chains for grease and tightness. Just a whole lot could be prevented if people actually do their job. In this case you can't blame this one mechanic, the company complacency kill them. I'm sure more people had to inspect the screw.
Akira 38 the ironic thing is is that these accidents caused by airlines trying to reduce the cost of maintenance, cause the airline itself to lose even more money because planes are worth millions and family of the victims sued them; literally, there is no benefit in trying to cut corners that threaten the safety of passengers in order to reduce cost, the airline will lose more money anyway
Less about laziness, and more about greed of upper management. The Alaska Airlines senior management should’ve been jailed for cutting corners and impacting passenger safety. Fuck them.
Goose Tater obviously you’re a maintenance tech and we hit a nerve.
FAA found these facts about his bs PMs.
Tatar & potato, maybe both of you is one dude with two accounts, don’t really care, but the bottom line is, maintenance techs are entrusted with the safety of the aircraft. If your boss is cramming too much work and forcing you to cut corners as you claim, you have the moral obligation to refuse and insist on properly done maintenance or reporting issues to FAA.
Reality is, no one likes to take accountability, just blame it on the “big greedy bosses”
@Goose Tater If you know something we don't then please share your wisdom with us, I'm not above being educated. Though if your goal is just to troll that's fine too, troll away!
The "Ah, here we go" phrase impressed me too. It's definitely not what I would have said under the same circumstances. It shows the bravery and professionalism that imbues the great majority of pilots and cabin crew. My small show of appreciation to them is to say thank you with a smile every time I offboard. It's the least I can do.
“Ah, here we go” got me. Like I can’t imagine just looking death in the eye like that.
I said a similar thing as my friend almost drove off a cliff (no guard rail). I felt at peace even though I knew what was about to happen. I don't know how, but he made a sharp left turn at the last second and we ended up crashing into some rocks. Genius was driving way too fast in an unfamiliar road and I was dumb enough to be his passenger.
R281 wow! That’s so crazy! I can’t even imagine something like that. Thank god (or whatever you believe in) he made that sharp turn.
A Frustrated Gamer beautifully said! He’s gonna come for us all just a matter of time and when it’s time there is no stopping it
@@JoeGnome I believe in God. I really can't explain how that car was able to make a sharp turn at that speed when the front tires appeared to be on the dirt.
@A Frustrated Gamer glad we both made it. Yeah, it's a strange feeling. I figured I'd be scared out of my pants, but no.
Two damn good pilots, they fought it until the last second. They will forever be my heros.
Agreed. Here we go made me sad. They were men. No screaming just trying until the end.
Yeah, they were brave pilots.
@Goose Tater They were following procedure when dealing with the problem. Even in the video there's dialogue between the maintenance on the ground and the pilots. They were doing things designed to try and regain control of the airplane. Blaming the pilots here is asinine.
@Goose Tater Hey look, another asshole pretending he's hard on the internet. Funny, you did give an answer, but it just was in your usual moronic style. "asinine" about describes your attitude, if I'm feeling generous. I'm not. "Fucktard" sounds much more accurate. Sigh, another damn snowflake. Dismissed.
@Goose Tater Unless it's YOUR hindsight... then it's about 0/0. There's no saving face now. You're just a moronic twit who thinks being an asshole makes him superior. With the horrendous lack of critical thinking you've displayed, I'm sure you couldn't free yourself from a wet paper bag if your life depended on it.
My neighbor and life long friend was killed on this flight. Still miss her and her kids were devastated 😢 💔 I will always keep Jan in my heart. She was always happy and laughing and I can still hear it
Sorry for your loss
I’m very sorry that happened.
Damn that got old ladies capping out here now... smh
I'm sorry for your loss ..may she enjoy peace not rest in it and by that I mean why rest in Paradise when she can look down smile and prepare for her family and friends
@@isayedit1806 - Hush you vile troll, and go back to your home under the bridge. 😤🧟♂️ Why's some boomer gonna come on here lying about this?! WTF?! She's not some weirdo... like the kinds of people who harass people online when they talk about their dead friends.
The Maintenance dispatch WAS TOTALLY WORTHLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can anyone here even imagine being in that situation only to hear the Maintenance dispatch using the phrase "Oh uh geez!"
“We’ll see you at the gate” pissed me off
they would've been better off ripping the radio out of the cockpit and throw it out the window
Yeah like see you poor bloody people at the gates of heaven. Jesus Christ. Maybe limited in an adequate response to give you their situation. Most likely knew they were completely fucked. Having no solution. Other than to simply imply. See you on the other side.
At no point did the flight crew declare an emergency, and the captain said that the plane was relatively under control at that point, so to the maintenance crew, it was an unusual situation that they would figure out once the plane landed. Only *after* that conversation did the pilots lose control when the stabilizer failed. Even if they knew exactly what the problem was, nothing could have been done to repair it in the sky, so your criticism of the maintenance staff is absurd.
@Sarah Hodgins I think the replies here are to a comment, (likely from someone who has never had anything like this responsibility) about how worthless the maintenance crew was on the radio. First, I'm pretty sure, the person on the radio was NOT likely the person who did a half assed maintenance job, previously! And just because they worked for the same company, does NOT make them culpable! They may have stood up to the corruption multiple times in their location! I'm not an airline mechanic, but have worked in multiple companies, where I was regarded as very good at mechanical problem solving. often expected to be able to just talk people through a situation that would not be easy in the shop, let alone on the side of a mountain, I'm not even there, and not finishing the job at hand, isn't an option to the people running the broken equipment.......
At some point you just don't have anything more to say.
Respect to all the people that died on that plane, those two pilots were true heroes
This is absolutely terrifying. This is why I have severe anxiety on planes. You never know if you boarded “the wrong one”
Last time I took a flight was in 1991. I usually go by train now.
@@herrbonk3635 that's funny because planes are safer than trains
@@vinsanity982 Nonsens. You are thinking of high speed trains. I don't use them.
@@herrbonk3635 ok, show me something that can back that up
@@vinsanity982 You don't even need statistics. A derailing train vagon (car) seldom kills people, maybe some poor dude with a bad heart. In contrast, derailing high speed trains have been seen to be trown up in the air so that several vagons crashes almost like a plane. Reducing the speed is everything. I simply don't want to go any faster than about 100 km/h.
I really need to stop watching these....addictive content, but extremely painful at the same time 😭
Reggie 72 it makes me even more scared to be on a plane
G B LOL. Right. I have a flight tomorrow and I’m compelled to ask the pilots how many flight hours they have and if they understand all procedures to take during an emergency.
@@chibailon it doesn't even matter how many hours of flights they've done. It could be mechanical failures which is rare and most of the time very experienced Pilots make the worse decisions. Flying commercial is still the safest method of transportation but still scary.
It is scary @chibailon @reno lopez but honestly the odds of this happening are way out there in the extreme. This is tragic, and yes it's because the right set of circumstances occurred due to improper maintenance that caused this. No matter how unlikely the event is, it doesn't provide catharsis to those that have been died in a tragic accident like this. The thing is, I feel this is more of a numbers game more than anything. Eventually if you do something enough times, as in millions of times in this case, people will make mistakes. These mistakes are not necessarily mistakes that were meant to be malicious, but by sheer accident where because of XYZ reason something wasn't checked multiple times because a maintenance guy was texted or distracted etc. at just the wrong times. Not using this as an excuse, but just explaining how things could be overlooked based on long odds.
That said, domestic commercial airlines these days are INSANELY reliable and safe. Sure, you can get thrown around by some turbulence which can be scary, but the odds of a domestic plane crashing like the one seen here is about 1 in 10 million OR MORE.
Think about it like this, if you look at domestic U.S. airlines (leaving out foreign airlines since they don't have the same regulations by the FAA), since 2010 over a decade ago, to my knowledge there have been no serious airline disasters on domestic commercial flights where everyone died in a crash. The main cause of deaths on domestic aircraft now are turbulence related, where someone trips, falls or hits their head.
So there you have it. Over a decade we've had some close calls like the incident with Captain Sully, but there have been no major fatalities in over a DECADE. Think of all the millions and millions of domestic flights that have taken off and landed over the past decade! It's actually insanely reliable! You probably have a better chance of dying next time you take a dump in your bathroom than you do on a typical domestic flight.
If you do anything enough times though, eventually there will be accidents, it's a matter of math. This includes taking an Aspirin, or even taking a piss.
Reggie 72 what gets me is I hate to fly and won’t do it EVER, yet I sit here watching this shit, wondering why I don’t get nightmares!
As a aircraft mechanic for 30 years, this is so distressing to watch and know what was happening. The problem today is a lot of jobs are being filled with "contractors". Not the same as dedicated mechanics. Pressure to complete a task should be at the bottom of the list.
Integrity is punished. Money money money money
@@hillarybillary21Yeah if compassion ain't profitable then don't do it ceos in a nutshell
These pilots were heroes, they never stopped trying, even upside down they were still fighting, they deserve all the respect. Who don't deserve any respect are the people in charge of this company, who had terrible security policies, including their maintenance, who were more worried about schedule than to the lives that were lost.
Ananias Andrada should have been shut down right there.disgusting behavior from the Company..... lI guess more de- regulation is needed.
88 lives lost all because of shoddy workmanship during a scheduled maintenance and saving a few dollars by substituting the recommended lubricant with a non-approved substance. I hope heads rolled over this.
The pilots are without a doubt in Valhalla! Such a valiant death!
Company executives should be in jail.
Put the company reps on a plane and crash them into the ocean Much respect to the flight crew!
I've never told this online and I dont know why I'm a little uncomfortable telling the story. I was working as a final checker in the US NAVY on Coronado Island and we had a couple of Jets (s-3a vikings) getting ready to fly. If I remember right the jet I was with if it didnt get airborne was going to go over its time without flying. So there was pressure to get it up.There were plenty of delays but it was finally getting ready and both engines where "turnin and burnin". I was going over the jet with my flashlight (it was nite ops) on the port side wheel and brake assembly I noticed all the safety wire broken all over the wheel and brake assembly and a gouge on the brakes (the right side was good). I went to my QA on the site who was a friend of mine who outranked me. I started Yelling over the jet engines that there was a problem and stop the flight that the wheel assembly was a mess. My buddy yelled right back in my ear "F" IT its going to fly. I ignored him and sprinted down the flight line to a first class petty officer from QA that out ranked him and had more experience. He came over and took one look with his flashlight and shut down that flight. I remember the pilots getting off and they looked NOT happy at all. I did get an award but..the real lesson was dont be influenced by the wrong people.If I would have listened to my buddy there would have been an accident on take off or landing.
dude that is NOT yer buddy
hell you did the right thing ...never get pressured when it comes to safety!
Thank you for saving several lives.
I guess the pilots suddenly preferred being unhappy vastly over being dead, too.
Outstanding on you sir.
wireless one wow thank you
This is one of the saddest videos I've ever watched. I'm so sorry this happened. My heart aches.
To cheer you up, go watch the vid about Maggie. 17-year-old student pilot on a solo flight.
Me too man....
Very sad, it was preventable.
I think the movie Flight is based on this crash. One of the most influential demonstrations of never giving up until the last moment even if the odds are against you.
It’s not based on this crash exactly, but that plane does get intentionality inverted by the captain to keep it from pitching downward. It is about his personal struggles in life and his addiction more than it is really about a plane crash.
@@ditzygypsy Pretty sure he meant the crash scene.
"Are we flying? We're flying".
They included real-ATC chatter in the movie.
My dad flew Bell Huey in the 70's for an unspecified AF. His squadron buddy survived an incredible crash on a spec-ops extract: they were hit by SAM shrapnel and thought they lost all hydraulics because controls seemed unresponsive. What happened in reality is that hydraulics were still partially working, but stick feedback was lost. This made it seem like hydraulics were entirely lost. With smoke in the cabin and spiraling down to the earth, his buddy kept fighting the plane instead of saying 'fuckit'. He managed to land it with only minor injuries to everyone onboard. The moral is: "Never give up, never surrender".
“His buddy kept fighting the plane..”
I think you meant Chopper or Bird as they were called in Nam.
Did they survive the War? Become commercial pilots after?
My grandpa worked for the airlines all his life as a maintenance mechanic then became the chief supervisor mechanic . When he worked on these jet airplanes he was serious about rules, regulations and proper instructions. I'll bet if he was in charge of this airplane, this shit would not have happened. The stories he used to tell me were crazy. He would ever take short cuts and reuse older parts even if the part worked perfectly fine. If the part had a 1,000 hours maximum limit and it show's 1,001hour usage, in the trash or recycling it would go. If somebody would say "this part is still good" but It was passed it's time, he refused the part and replaced it with new, no matter the coast. His crew did not, under any circumstances, slack on the job. He had zero tolerance for slacking, substituting parts, Jerry rigging repairs. He always said passengers lives were more important than time and money and people's lives are in his hands. He refused to do things halfway in haste. He did not play games with peoples lives.
If you Grandfather is still around , thank him for me. Every time I flew passengers my crew knew our safety depended on the quality of work performed by our maintenance department. A lot of times passengers would and the flight attendants would thank us for a smooth safe flight. I would always tell them it was only possible due to our mechanic's skill and dedication to safety. Often they do not get the recognition they deserve. We had a chief inspector just like your grandfather , it might have been him. We are only as safe as the aircraft is reliable. Once again this captain says hats off and thank him for his dedication to quality and integrity.
It sounds like your Grandfather shows respect for everyone. He is a true hero who put lives first. Personally, I take time and pride in my work. I don't work for an airline company, but considering that screw was stripped in the first place, that throws a red flag, and no amount of lubricant could've fixed a nut that was on a stripped rod, period!
@Goose Tater, do you have any examples and evidence of the made up story?
@@KillroyX99 Ignore him. He's a troll.
@@KillroyX99 he's just trolling and hating on shoddy work by lazy workers
If the Captain says he is going to land at LA the dispatcher should not have questioned him- he should have wholeheartedly supported him. That sounds like a greedy company's directive to me. Alaskan Airlines has earned a lifetime ban from me.
Wouldn't have mattered.
well put I agree 100% those guys had an emergency from the word go, he tried so damn hard to do what he felt necessary to keep that damn thing aloft til he was over that landing strip, I think as soon as he could see the strip he would flipped the plane back over to execute the landing, I cried when I saw this , the capt. and his 1st off. tried so damn hard to save that plane and all its passengers an crew , its an aweful shame he wasted so much time fucking around with airtraffic controls bullshit and just told them im coming back to land there isn't 2 ways about it, now clear the fucking runway now you bunch of dumb bastards , were all about to die here you dumb son of , oooooooo, just makes me so angry, if you time it, from the 1st occurrence had he just turned around put in at least 3/4 flaps and full speed flaps,and spoilers, to slow down considerably, pulled the power back, lowered his gears, there was time for him to make it back to the field and land that thing safely, but because of all the bullshit, it cost everyone there lives and it didn't have to happen had he just turned around at the 1st onset of trouble , he would have made it, damn that pisses me off something terrible , when you notice a serious problem like his , you play Dixie, you get that thing back to the nearest strip and get it on the ground period , to hell with the dumb shit , sorry about all the s bombs an everything, this one really eats at me, there only worried about money, they only worship money that's what matters to these bastards , the annual profit report, an ask are earnings up this quarter ? piss up a rope boss ,there,s your earnings dig in a pile of raccoon turds , that's were your earnings report is , in a big pile of shit, there so damn cheap when it comes to making the correct repairs and using after market parts that don't last for shit, but they,ll still put,em on an send it out , in think when a large number of people die in a large airliner crash the owner of that airline should be sued to the maximum allowable by law, then thrown in jail for life no parole , let,em rot an think about the cheapness bastard hes been for the next 30 to 50 yrs which ever comes 1st
@Goose Tater here's the root of the whole problem: the screw. It had such a bare amount of threading on it, approximately
.001 left, but Alaska Airlines refused to sign a request from the chief mechanic that it needed to be replaced before the plane could fly. No matter what, the screw was going to end up separating from the bolt. Do you even know what the threading on a screw is for? Or do you even know that a screw has threading?
*END OF DISCUSSION*
@Duane Sanders, you are right. Isn't it so sad that the Airlines act that way? And the nightmare of all of this is that it was OWNED BY BOEING because they bought McDonnell Douglass. I am not flying anything from Boeing. This includes any plane that is operated by Boeing Company. You'd be amazed at all the airlines that are under "Boeing's Rule."
yea that dispatcher, I hope he got fired. I wish the pilot-and not taking ANYTHING away from his performance or that of the F/O- would have said "we have a problem and we are going to LA" period. I lost 2 friends on that flight......but would feel the same regardless.
God bless those poor souls who suffered such an extended period of pure terror.
God bless them!!
@nightshaded God had nothing to do with it unless the aircraft designers and maintenance guys are all named "God," and it was premeditated.
can you imagine what the passengers were going through the entire time this was going on ??? can you imagine being one of those onboard during this flight of hell ?? upside down , at 24,000 ft. upside down an heading into the ocean at over 600 MPH nose 1st , the nightmare onboard in that cabin , the sound of those poor souls ,screaming til there was nothing but silence , your right, pure terror, is a good way to put it , honestly, I think it was a little worst than that even , my GOD , please grant all those onboard this flight peace and rest, and may you lead them all into your kingdom of true paradise in Jesus Name, A,Men. a 1000% agree with you on your comment
reality bless those poor People, more like, but yeah
Sugarsail1 God allows things to get our attention. There were dark forces working that day in the higher realms.
My heart goes out to the pilots. They did everything they could to keep the plane flying. I hope the one who said they'd "see you at the gate" ate his words.
I was shocked by that...literally abandoned these pilots, and everyone on board...rip to all souls on board....
The pilots went thru heavens gate. Quite a few others will see the gate into a region much warmer than Alaska.
@@neilbarker5003 what if they didn't believe in god? not everyone still believes in fairy tales
@@johnpizza3930 The beliefs you hold make no difference to me. Like the song goes. No one's laughing at God in a....... doomed airplane.
"Ah here we go"
They both did not give up until the end.
That mechanic should of never been fired he knew what he was talking about they would not listen him. I'm so sorry they all had you loose their life's because they would not listen to that mechanic.
That moment in your mind saying, “I wish they made it.”
in regards to your statement, I too, wished that they had made it back to the runway, in this case, im a private pilot of much smaller aircraft, single engine fixed high wing Cessna 172 skyhawks, im certified in 5 types of single engine planes, anyhow, had i been the pilot in this case, I instantly would have slowed the plane down way down to almost stall speed, meaning til it almost falls from the sky to take off the pressure of the wind passing over the elevator that the jackscrew is connected to, you see, less wind pressure pushing against it the less it wants to be pushed or pulled, see,but as soon as I caught the problem I would have headed to the nearest runway right as I caught this serious very serious problem ,and made the mayday call as I was making my way back to the closest runway possible not caring which one it may have been, just wanting to land it A.S.A.P. saying mayday as im heading to the nearest runway, I understand the pilots idea of turning the plane upside down because it was always pitching downwards so naturally being upside down you would think, okay when we were up side right, it wanted to go down, but now that were upside down maybe it,ll want to go back up, but as we all seen it was to no avail at first it did seem to be staying up, as it did appear to continue to fly, but even being upside down it still pitched downwards , that has me somewhat confused as when it was flying normally it wanted to pitch down really ,really bad, you or anyone wouold think as the pilot did thought well if the plane was upside down it might stay up, which it did seem to work at first, but what happened ? as bad as it wanted to pitch down when it was flying normally you would think it would have flown and wanting to pitch back up, but after a a few seconds again it started pitching downwards again , for the life of me, this one I cant figure out, I too thought it would want to pitch back up being in that position but it still went down ???? im very sad about how hard these pilots tried to keep there plane flying, its heart wrenching reading what was said to the end, knowing all those on board were killed , I think of all those people , such a tragedy , and so terrible all the way around, yes, I did say to myself, I wish they had made it back, I always do in these video,s of why planes crash, and air disasters , there all extremely sad to watch , I wish more than anything that these multi billion dollar companies would come up with a way to never have another airliner crash ever again , there,s a airplane company that now has a plane that if the plane encounters trouble staying in the air, the pilot can deploy a parachute from the planes fuselage (main frame ) and like a man in a chute it allows the plane to safely float back to the ground without anyone getting hurt or worse yet, killed , now with this in mind, with the billions of dollars spent in this airliner industry they could easily incorporate very large parachutes onto these jet liners , so when they can no longer stay flying there large parachutes can be deployed by the pilots , make it to where the wings pop off, along with the tail section making the main body where all the people are as light as possible so the parachutes have a easier job of allowing the body of the plane to gently float down back to the ground with all on board alive and safe , I like this idea, everytime a liners in trouble everybody has to die, well my idea keeps everybody alive, isn't that the goal here ? ive been blessed by never having any problems flying my small planes, PRAISE GOD !!! but a company out in CAL. are building this plane its a small single engine like the ones I fly, but they come standard with a parachute in case of an emergency , in fact theres a video on here that shows the plane floating back to the ground and the pilot getting out unharmed , amazing right ? so if they can do it on his plane then why not put parachutes on the airliners ? if not the plane itself they should pass them out to the passengers as they board the jetliners so if the pilots says were going down everyone prepare to jump , they should be given that option to be able to save there own lives if they choose, and not go down with the plane and die in a huge ball of fire , in most of these accidents ill call,em that for now, every time our bodies never stay in one piece, when a plane hits the ground at over 600 hundred MPH our bodies bust apart in hundreds of pieces a foot here, a hand there, yes its true, you know this if you,ve been watching enough of these video,s that never does a body stay as we look if they had died on the ground, not the case, when they crash bodies turn into hundreds of tiny pieces some bigger than others some smaller than others but never a whole body is found in one whole piece , just doesn't happen , they find a head here, a leg there, and so on , its always been that way, in every air crash of a liner that's how they find the what were once people , now there just parts like the plane just tiny pieces both people and plane, most can never be identified because of this but D.N.A. has helped a lot in identifying loved ones remains now, it takes time but they do manage to tell who it is by this method or dental records or a tattoo, article of clothing, even in some cases the head is still intact and can be looked at to see the persons face still, I know this is hard to take, but its the reality of boarding a airliner and being involved in a crash of it, im so sorry to have to tell you this, as like you I too wish it didn't or never happens but , it does, an its awful to see the after effects of a airliners crash site fresh right after one crashes , theres video,s of that on here as well , I say either hand us all the passengers a parachute , or make the entire plane a strong enough frame and body tombe able to handle floating back to the ground by way of parachutes that can do the job of getting us back to the ground unharmed and alive in one piece, that would be a few solutions ive thought of ever since the wright brothers 1st flight, but parachutes weren't around back then, bad for those guys but good for us now in todays flying , I mean hey they have sky diving clubs all over the place these days people are willfully jumping out of good flying planes for the sake of sky diving , me ill stay inside the plane and fly it , if people want to jump out of a perfectly good flying plane well that's there right, as we all have the right to do as we please , so I say knock yourselves out, LOL have a good jump but as far as the airliner crashes , we should be able to jump out of one if its going to crash and theres the chance of being killed, im jumping , in that case I will jump out of the plane, but only if its going to crash , thank you for your comment , I hope they figure this out soon , id like to see the day come when no one has to die because they want to fly somewhere, GOD BLESS W.H.W. 9-1-19
It's so easy to say what we would have done if we were in the same situation. Much easier to say when we don't have all the facts. We also have to remember that the pilots were not only thinking of their passengers, but they didn't want to put down a damaged aircraft in a heavily populated city (LA) where there would have been an even larger death toll, had the plane crashed there.
waste of good air , do us all a favor, stop breathing ,lol, and lay off the drugs , dumb ass , isn't it time for you to change your diaper ??
That's so brave of you
like the movie flight
A family friend's mother was on that flight. The friend got compensated but it was a mere pittance compared to the real loss. Years later while attending my annual flight training ground school this accident was highlighted for discussion. After seeing it in detail, the NTSB report and audio, I was very sad because of my indirect relationship. I let my friend know that the accident was being studied so that we can continue to learn and be better.
The real shame of it is they already knew enough to avoid the accident. They just went out of their way to let the defective part remain defective because it would cost them money to fix. A comment above shows that the maintenance crew had discovered the problem prior to the flight but it was ignored by higher ups. When this came to light, it was swept under the rug!
Honestly, willful violations of air safety regulations like this should be crimes punishable with prison time. Certainly loss of employment (at the c-level) and absolutely massive regulatory fines. That will never happen though. Your life is far less important to them than their corporate profits. And the government agrees.
sorry to hear that rip
@@joshl6275 Well said, josh
was there really anything to learn from this that was not already known? dont take shortcuts. dont try to save money at the expense of critical systems...etc, etc...
@@joshl6275 precisely. only in a sane world... corporations ALWAYS try to save money from the bottom up, completely immoral, or amoral
"Ah, here we go!" RIP Sir
😭 no screaming , they were brave men...flying upside down i can't imagine passengers panic...
Ever notice that when you’re driving a car you feel no worry even when driving in hazardous conditions? But when you’re a passenger you’re on edge. That’s how the pilots felt.
RIP 😭😭😭😭😭😭
This is very terrifying and sad to watch. I wish there could have been a better outcome. But that's life. I can only imagine how it felt to be a passenger experiencing all of this.
Imagine sitting upside down...terrifying!!
I can only imagine it being a living hell. Like your sitting there having a peaceful time maybe reading a book, taking a nap or even listening to music. Then your yanked forward violently as the plane nosedives. Everyone around you is screaming and your ears are ringing or popping from the altitude. Then it suddenly becomes stable again. Everyone is looking around, and outside the windows. The person next to would probably be freaking out and you would hear someone violently sobbing around you. Around this time your stomach starts to knot in fear. Then it nosedives again. People are screaming--cups and luggage might be falling around you. After a short amount of time it becomes stable for the final time. The flight attendant leaves to go check the cockpit and they come back sweating with fear. It’s barely visible though. They try to calm some of the passengers down. Finally, the plane violently flips over and a crew member is slammed against the roof of the plane. Many others are barely holding on in there seats. You hear beeping and masks come down from above. (The masks would most likely be pressurized to the roof of the plane due to it being upside-down, so maybe not) You can only face your inevitable death as you plummet to the ocean below. You might even close you eyes, tune the screams out. Then everything goes black. Rest In Peace everyone on that flight it seems so terrible to die that way.
Lavender - Very descriptive. Nice writing.
I have no more fingernails 😦😱😰
The best part is that this could have been avoided if the whistleblower's comments back in 97 to replace the mechanical components were heeded.
Fought to the very end, these brave men.
Trying to even fight the plane upside down in a desperate attempt to stop the crash...
May God rest their souls ♥️
This still makes me sick, we knew four people on that flight, Sarah, an off duty flight attendant, her husband and their two little girls. We knew Sarah when she was going to flight attendant school in Seattle, she was so sweet...
@Peter Evans You're a real nice guy. I wasn't allowed to post what I really wanted to say.
@Peter Evans asshole
@Peter Evans lol
@Peter Evans have some integrity
@Peter Evans A little respect for the dead sir.
Much respect to those pilots for not giving up. My heart goes out to everyone that perished.
I was on CHP motor patrol in Ventura that day. My training Officer and I were sent to the Port Hueneme Naval base as initial State liasons for the disaster. The first boat came to the dock with many plastic bags of the victims' remains shortly after we arrived.......very shocking.
At first no one could figure out why the airliner had crashed, but once the data from the flight recorder was recovered and the jack screw failure identified, it was clear the lack of required maintenace caused these deaths.
Criminal negligence. Who was held responsible?
I also provided motorcade escort for the 40 buses taking the families to the funeral service.
May those who lost their lives and the families who lost loved ones be at peace. I will remember them.
That had to be very hard to do .
Fuck the Nazi Police! Welfare recipients ....you should be ashamed! I was a Gulf WAR B-52 Pilot! just don't think u oathbreakers are real OFFICERS.....
CHP is just as bad as the maintenance workers
mstng65flcnman that must’ve been terrifying. Seeing bodies of men women and children from a plane crash.
I don’t know why I keep watching these videos it just makes me fear flights even more. It’s so sad seeing that people that are supposed to be professional in these situations start acting like children. Big respect to the pilots for giving it all they got.
The maintenance people shouldve been fired. “Oh jeez” “we’ll see you at the gate.” Like cool thanks for the help.
Maintenance people should be charged with negligence!
I think, often times they are prayed from higher ups to cut corners..
Sew Me Something nobody paid them to not have appropriate concern for what was going on. At the very least they could’ve said “I’m sorry, we don’t know what’s going on” but they just acted like “oh I’m sure they’ll be fine, we’ll see em later and laugh about how panicked they were when the plane was malfunctioning. Planes never crash and no one ever dies in a plane crash, nope everything’s fine.”
Will Howard I’m not talking about ATC, I’m talking about the maintenance people that the pilots spoke to who were supposed to know what was going wrong with the plane, but instead blew it off.
Will Howard no biggie. I definitely wouldn’t expect ATC to be that much more help.
It's hard to imagine the terror of the passengers when the plane suddenly turned upside down.
My thoughts exactly!!! I'm sure people were falling out of their seats and sh*t was flying all over the place...... they all probably knew in the back of their minds that this was it.
@@holdencommodore2200 they shouldn't fall out of their seats if they had their seatbelts on. I even wonder if they felt negative G's or just the weightlessness of free falling
I’d pretty much be thinking this is it.
The lawyer that was hired by the relatives to the victims said that you could hear the screams of the passengers on the CVR. What made this crash even worse was the violent dive that happened minutes before the actual crash. The passengers basically got a taste of what to come. Other crashes usually happen so fast that the passengers don't have time to register it. Here they experienced what it was like to be in a plane diving towards the sea, and then they got a few minutes of calm, where they had time to think about the situation and worry about something happening again. Then when something DID happen, they were upside down and crashing.
@@sazzlepop321 i think that with slight turbulance id be a mess in that situation. Poor souls
were his lasts words really "ah, here we go"? if theres one thing ive learned from watching these videos its that pilots are the least dramatic most professional people on earth. i couldnt imagine staring at the ocean fast approaching like that and not completely loosing it.
was thinking exactly the same...were these his last words??? Gosh...
Exactly. I would have said something like, "see you on the other side mate"
I highly doubt those were his last words. In most instances like this, the families of the deceased will request that some of the Black Box recordings are kept private. These pilots were experienced and they knew the plane was going to crash. I'm sure they said a word to loved ones before finally going down.
@@justinjones7631 NTSB official transcript shows they were the last words. NTSB are the only folks who have heard the CVR recordings.
Losing. Losing has one “O”. You’re welcome.
This is the first X pilot video I’ve seen and man. What a story. I cried :/ those pilots are heroes and true men.
I've never really felt emotional watching one of these videos before. Through the whole videos I wanted to give the poor captain a hug, honestly
The worst I ever felt for a pilot after watching and listening to these videos is the pilot for USAir flight 427. I know all these pilots are supremely good at what they do but this guy seemed especially duped by the failed jammed rudder. Right up to crash you can feel his frustration as he brainstorms and encourages his co pilot. He knows something is terribly wrong and even if he figured out what it was he didn’t have altitude or speed to do anything. The guy always stood out to me. Peter Germano from Pittsburgh. Really popular in the community. A big teddy bear for the kids. And a highly skilled pilot. Extremely bright and smart. RIP Captain
I knew one of the pilots and it still affects me knowing how hard he must have tried to recover the airframe.
@Goose Tater The NTSB report characterizes some of the flight crew's decisions as "understandable," "prudent," and "appropriate," and other decisions as "not appropriate." If you think it's a fact, not an opinion, that the pilots killed themselves and their passengers, it's a fact that you're an asshole. Nowhere did the NTSB call the pilots a "FAILURE" in all-caps or call them killers.
what this ntsb # A-02-036 ? whats that mean ? I have a theory on this , I think had they stopped foolin around and just went directly back without anymore who ha , they may have made it back in enough time , I noticed they spent a lot of time doing other things , had it been me flying the plane I would instantly headed for the runway , I mean the instant I caught that wasn't working right, BAM, straight back no questions ,ive declared the emergency as I was heading for the runway, what they encountered was nothing to kid about, that was a extremely serious situation calling for immeadiate input, in which id of instantly headed for the nearest runway as I was heading for it, declaring the emergency, not wasting a single second of time, because when your that high, and going that fast, you have to think on the fly, to me that means get this damn plane back on the ground as fast as I humanly can , the end.
@Goose Tater bullshit!
Go read Duane Sanders's comment.
Who are you anyway? What are YOUR credentials?
@@AndrewPalmerJazz thank you.
@@The68lespaul did you watch this? The pilots stated they were going to turn around and they were told NOT TO!
Can only imagine how terrifying it must have been to be anybody on that airplane, but especially a passenger. Ya know, it's actually kinda surprising that there are not a whole hell of a lot more crashes of these big jets. All things considered it's an extremely safe method of travel. My oldest sister was killed in airliner crash. This happened in 1969. The plane was an old DC-3 from Hawthorne Nevada Airlines. My sister and her husband had won a trip on the "Gamblers Special" flight while on the Newlywed Game (If you Google "Gamblers Special, story of doomed 1969 flight, you will see an entire store written by the adventure journalist who climbed to the site not long ago). The plane, carrying 33 people went from Burbank, CA to Reno, people ate, gambled, partied, and then flew back home. The plane was unbelievably flying by dead recogning, and a wind miscalculation by a tired copilot during the stop in Reno doomed everyone on the flight back to L.A, including my then 21 year old sweet sister and her 22 year old husband Pat who had just become a L.A County Deputy Sheriff after spending two years as a Marine Corp M.P in Siagon. Their flight left out of Reno at 2:30am local time and ultimately slammed into the side of Mt Whitney. It is an extremely difficult place to get to. The plane wasn't found for several weeks, and 2 people were killed in a helicopter crash during recovery efforts. 40 years later, the climber/writer who went up to the site discovered that everything is still there, luggage, plane, clothes, personal items, etc.......You will find it a fascinating story if you'd care to read about it.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Thank you for sharing.
You're in an inverted plane and you can see the ocean as you fly into it. Yes, it must have been terrible.
Thanks for sharing sorry for your loss ! This is very interesting!
That was an interesting read, thanks for sharing and sorry for your loss.
I think I saw something about this on TV some years back
seeing the plane get closer and closer to the ocean like that is terrifying. such a well done video man, great work
These videos are amazing and gut wrenching at the same time. I dont work in maintenance but I do work for an aerospace alloy manufacturer. A lot of those engines parts are made from our alloys. Some times I sit at home and worry that I may have made a mistake 10 years ago and the NTSB will come knocking. Every paper I sign states the consequences of making a mistake. Really puts my job into perspective. The guys out front make millions. Every piece metal that leaves our facility was made by myself and my crew or the midnight crew. We have an unreal amount of testing to insure quality and im sure the customers do as well. Just something I think about, and my stomach absolutey rolls when I hear of an engine failure.
A neighbor's daughter and new son-in-law were on this flight. She never really recovered from this. These tragedies affect so many more lives than just the people on the plane.
Was the child a 4mo old? I visited the memorial in Port Hueneme a few days ago, had never heard of this tragedy until then 😥
@@TheIVJackal No, her daughter was in her early twenties and returning home from her honeymoon... it was very tragic and affected the whole community up here as we're a very close community where everyone knows everyone.
@@rhymereason3449 So sorry 😟 As I walked around the memorial, I saw two or three sets of families of 4 that were also on the plane, many were from WA.
Another preventable accident caused by another airline deciding to cut corners. It's infuriating.
totally agree with you 07foxmulder.....😕😕😕
it's criminal
It's also terrifying, to know people will cut corners like this even when it involves such horrible consequences. I can't logically understand that.
Muffin Kitty Bush wasn’t even in office yet. This was in January of ‘00. A full 10 months before Election Day.
Whatever you do, never stop supporting corporatists who want to cut regulations.
As a pilot, I have had to deal with some very bad issues. A bad fuel line, a turbine that shut down mid flight. It's like everything and anything is trying to kill you. I landed on a long highway once and pulled into the median. Highway patrol had closed the road. Had a full load of bombs, rockets, and so forth. 2 hours later we were back in the air. Never know what is going to happen. These 2 pilots did their best, bought time for everyone.
I'm a mechanic, although not an airplane mechanic. I work on military tracked vehicles, M1 Battle Tanks, and so forth. One of the lead men in my company is always trying to cut corners to save time and when I refuse to cut corners he starts making it hard for me to do my job, thus slowing progress. It's a shame that people do this kind of stuff, trying to make themselves look good on paper while not providing, even inhibiting proper maintenance. People like this should have the shit kicked out of them.
Lawsuit time
Can't find a decent lawyer. So I just quit last month, went on to make more money.
@@robertgantry2118 were you a civilian contractor on base? I'm a motor t mechanic in the Marines and I have a civilian dude that works with me on trucks and such.
Yes, on Ft Hood. But I quit about a month or so ago to work in the oil fields.
I totally agree Robert, i worked in the UK mining industry for 20 years as a faceworker, and I lost a really good friend due to cutting corners with those in charge knowingly allowing this to happen, it cost one man his life and those responsible paid no price, this shit stinks but that's the way profits have made things, human life is worth jackshit when compared to profit. Mankind is nothing other than a greedy bastard...
George C.
Horrific. Pilot's Thompson and Tansky were amazing, truly amazing.
They definitely were. My God they never quit!
would you?
They were men.
@CrystalCritter Yes. If they were women they would have just sat there screaming like all the other passengers the first time they encountered a problem. They never would have remained calm and worked through their training. They never would have thought to invert the plane to buy themselves more time. And if by some stroke of luck the plane inverted itself, they most likely would have listened to the planes warning system and "pulled up" when they were inverted. Have you ever been around women in an emergency? They're completely useless. Nothing but frantic panic and screaming. OMG what's with women and screaming?
@Goose Tater Well technically they did make it worse when they initially decided to pitch the plane down to attempt to fix the problem. But maybe the screw would have eventually failed completely anyway, we'll never know. I don't think they were heroes though, their lives were in just as much danger as everyone elses from the beginning and they had no other options than to try and fix the problem.
Possibly the most famous avoidable air accident - nicely told. Nice wrap-up with the memorial sundial dedication, etc. The amount of work compiling this info and then putting it all together is immense - well done.
Too bad they didn't bother placing the blame where it belongs.
mad respect to the pilots, they fought even with their physical strength until the end. plus i can’t imagine what was going on in everyone’s head on that flight
To add to the misery, most of the passengers were Alaska Airline employees enjoying a vacation in Mexico; terrible loss all the way around.
Mark Nau horrible.
Mark Nau I wonder how many Alaska Air “maintenance people” were aboard ? 🤔
@@phatbackbeat6553 They were forced by corporate to roll back the maintenance checks, and unless they wanted to be fired they had to do what they were told.
@white zebra It wasn't Mexico's fault this happened though
@white zebra how was it on captain ? Are you suggesting he did something wrong here??? I hope not, he was wkg against all odds, it was impossible scenario and he fought till very end he did his best, plus kept them from impact of total nose dive! Best he cld do
So sad RIP to all on that flight
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The company saved 50 cents on lubricant and $26 on labor costs; that's all that matters! (sarcasm)
13.7 oz of this lubricant goes for $21.85 on Amazon with a $25 up purchase.
BS. The aircraft manufacturer, McDonnell Douglas, had approved the use of the alternate lubricant.
Peter Petrov that’s what’s happening with Boeing.
Max’s issues. Also early cracking on other planes. And yet, they want to fly them again. And the stock market loves it. BA is skyrocketing because investors know they’ll do anything to keep the profit up. Even if it means a few crashed planes.
Pay a little now or pay a lot later. Companies just never seem to get this.
Sounds like Mr krabs cheapness
The more I watch these the more I begin to realise how little airlines and the FAA actually care about safety compared to profits
EXCATLY
This event had nothing to do with cutting costs. It was a lazy mechanic signing off a GVI and using the improper the grease or not greasing at all.
It's always been about profits for them
A Frustrated Gamer have you worked on the line for a commercial airline? Because you would know that is simply not true.
That's why I haven't taken a plane since 1991.
I could’ve watch the whole thing, but was appalled how the flight controller said to keep going . . . If I was the pilot it would been SOS, we need to land NOW
The owners of the airline should have been arrested, jailed for manslaughter. Fines don't do enough.
a w sociopaths don’t care about anyone. Your absolutely right.
What an idiot radio dispatcher haves no experience is a stupid person with no common sense , the life of the 88 passengers, didnt know the life or death decision was in ✋ of a traffic control dispatcher the captain and the pilots end up doing what he said instead of say fuck that I'm landing this bird fuck ur schedule its delayed so fuck off instead
It comes down to the maintenance workers not doing their jobs
I fail to see what the owners have to do with this situation. They pay the wages of employees to carry out maintenance. The last thing the owners want is death, then they have to pay out more money in fines, lawsuits, settlements, and suffer lost business due to bad PR.
The owners didn't want to shell out for the grease on the jackscrew. That, and the time required to grease that part is considerably longer than on the similarly sized 737, due to the unique "T-tail" configuration of the DC-9/MD-88 aircraft.
So sad can you imagine how scared the flight crew and passengers must’ve felt in that plane, bags going everywhere, people falling who hadn’t got their seat belt on, and the pilots who knew that there was nothing they could do and they were going to die. Truly heartbreaking rip 💔
“So they’re trying to put the pressure on you?”
Well, no, but actually yes.
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Everyone on the ground just acts like they're going to land it and they'll fix it later. Wow...
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@@esvalve yes
@@esvalve verified idiot.
How tf are they supposed to know how bad it is? They're not flying the plane... And either way, what else are they supposed to do?
@@twizz420 dance
I had about 5,000 hours in the same type. I had retired about 7 years before this incident, but remember being thankful that the vice president of maintenance at my airline, a former pilot, had always run a very efficient, "Tight ship".
Vince, how come the controls are so heavy? You’d think they’d be power assisted like a car so a pilot would not have to fight it physically..... ?
@@Zzeke Take another look near the 14 minute 12 second part of the video. The answer to your question is in the NTSB findings for why the controls were so heavy for these pilots that day. Normally they wouldn't be heavy but when you have catastrophic failure of critical components it becomes a recipe for disaster.
This episode has made me terrified of flying again.
Statistically you are more likely to get killed driving to the airport. D&D
don’t worry about flying, you can die any second of your life anyway, you never know when it will happen
... but most likely in a car it will only be horror for two or three seconds and not for several minutes... 😳
So now you proposing FlightChannel to do safe landing episodes. 😜
CBEpyon a lot can change in 20 years
What a nightmare! Those pilots fought so hard!! What a tragedy!!
Sounds a bit sarcastic...
Now days , you got to be Politically correct, feel safe with little girls at the controls in Cockpits?
I had the unfortunate job of working the crash. I was a member of the Pt Hueneme Base Police. I was there that night when the first victims were recovered and for the next 12 days straight. Also worked the one year anniversary of the crash. God bless the victims and their families.
These pilots were in a game of chess with the broken airplane.....They did not give up! It ended in a stalemate with a valiant effort for the win, god bless these two for fighting to the end!!!!
"We'll see you at the gate" - That maintanence was a little too hopeful
Very hopeful and not at all helpful or useful.
Pilot: We NEED to land in Los Angeles!
ATC: [haughtily] Yeah, well, you can't do that because you'll throw our other flights off. Try to land somewhere else.
Me: WTFH?!?!?! I hope that SOB is washing dishes in a cheap hole-in-the-wall.
No, ATC was fine with it and supported them with altitude blocks and clearing other traffic away. It was Alaskan Airlines company dispatcher that was worried about the timeline.
Yes, That Part.
Exactly and this is something that people dont even notice that although the dispatcher was very guilty jail time guilty the pilot with that kind of treat from atc could ve done more with a better speech with a priority in mind and sure of what was right sure of what he wants and in line. I think although they fought and everything which is good they just needed to demand more respect and who knows maybe just by th9is little kind of detail they would ve prevented a tragedy.
Just want to reiterate, this WAS NOT ATC. ATC will bend over backwards for an emergency. We'll (controller here) help you land ANYWHERE you want. I've had at least 3 emergency aircraft land in fields even. Emergencies have priorities over anything else, even if it closes LAX for a time. That was ALL Alaskan dispatch you're referring to. ATC doesn't have a "schedule." We get paid the same if we talk to 5 aircraft in a day or 3,000.
You need to listen closer you little wanna be ninja.
That “We’ll see you at the gate” was the biggest “sounds like a personal problem” ever.
Pilots : we're in a dire situation
Maintenance dispatcher : see you at the gate .
@228candy I don't know their reasons for choosing LAX or San Diego , but they tried to correct what they assumed was an electoral problem . When it became apparent they had very bad situation on their hands it was probably too late and they chose LA .
It seems to me the dispatcher could have done a better job . He came off sounding like someone who was going through the motions with his job when the pilot told him of his serious situation
Disturbing how unconcerned he was. Wonder if he knew (cutting corners..)
@@lindaeasley4336 yes-the dispatcher sounded less experienced or new.
@228candy Where's the onboard maintenance guy? There needed to be someone else on board performing heroics besides just the pilots.
Riveting reenactment. Knew someone on this flight, and trying to imagine the sheer terror being experienced by her, and all aboard, is not something I could ever quantify. My prayers continue to this day for all lost. 💜
I hope that when my time comes to die I am able to show even one tenth of the courage and grace that these pilots did...sadly, though, I suspect I will not.
don't be a coward
You may. You may not. Whatever that moment is in your lifes last moment. You just be as strong as you can. Whatever that is. And accept it for whatever it is. Well... I mean suppose you won't have that much of a choice in that 'final moment' will you?
People can only ever be so prepared I presume. People have found strengths in them. They didn't ever believe possible.
So do not ever under estimate the hidden Power. All humans possess.
God bless
I dont think Im gonna scream, Ive never screamed in my life despite being in a few life or death situations. I'd imagine a low pitch omg and close my eyes at that moment.
@@thewhitehotel8348 thanks dr phil really helpful
I am from Alaska and fly this airlines almost exclusively and remember vividly when this happened. I am a very nervous flyer and every time I fly I think of this flight crew. Their professionalism and determination to fly right up to the end brings me comfort.
Alaska Air is now one of the safest rated air carriers in the US. No one has died on their planes in the last 20 years I think and they maintain some of the newest aircraft fleets. The airlines you want to be wary about are the smaller regional airlines in Alaska, they have some of the worst records in the last 2 decades and nobody gives AF. One carrier went through 2 name changes in the last 10 years to avoid being linked to all the tragedies they've caused
This had to be so horribly terrifying. The pilots were heroes trying so hard to save everyone's lives. Rest in peace.
It was a doomed flight and completely hopeless. An epic tragedy that moved me to tears.
So cutbacks by the airline, and incompetent mechanics killed all these people. Absolutely disgraceful. They should be charged with manslaughter.
Yeah, that rarely happens in the U.S
yep just like the American Airlines DC10 that crashed in Chicago. a lot of people were pissed when these accidents happened especially this one
I worked for Alaska Airlines in Oakland and you are dead wrong about maintenance being at fault. It was the captain who should have put the airplane on the ground ASAP.he should have never tried to troubleshoot the problem. The jacksrew had broken off and the captain had no control over the horizontal stabilizer so therefore the captain should have declared an emergency and put the airplane on the ground. It was not maintenance fault. I am sick and tired of people blaming maintenance instead of the captain who should not have tried to troubleshoot the problem but put the airplane on the ground ASAP.
@@hellswindstaff91 Those two tragedies share a root cause: the FAA allowing airlines to depart from the manufacturer's recommended maintenance procedures. The DC-10 crashed on takeoff because and engine pylon failed during rotation. The engine had recently been replaced. Douglas recommended that the engine be separated at the pylon, but instead the FAA approved a procedure which kept the engine and pylon remain attached-- removing the entire assembly from the wing. This caused a crack to form on the pylon, which failed six cycles later. The Alaska Air incident was stems from the FAA allowing the airline to lengthen the jack screw inspection and maintenance intervals. Both these deviations stemmed from an appeal by the airlines to essentially take time- and money-saving shortcuts.
@@oranpayne1007 WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. YOUR AN IDIOT..
Let's follow the line hear. It was PROVEN the jack screw FAILED because it was not properly inspected and lubrecated..... Dispite the fact that the ppr work showed it was... And an interview with the tech showed he said it took like an hrto do the job of checking it and lubbing it dispute the fact that the process papers that tell how long the job should take says around 4 hours to do it RIGHT... So if it takes 4 hours to do it right but he said it was done in one hour then something is amiss hear..... Given the fact that the crash assessment team found ZERO grease on the jack screw and extreme wear and damage to the threads thus leading them to conclude that the jack screw was not checked and lubricated as it should have been. I would say that in this case it was VERY CLEAR that the maintenance crew DID NOT DO THERE JOB......... But let's set that ASIDE for the moment. Let's pretend the jack screw failed completely without the pilot trying to diagnose the issue in flight. Let's say it failed durring decent to land or some other time. And the result was the same catastrophic fail. And that needs to crashing the jet with the loss of all souls onboard..... What would you say THEN!!!??? Because the result is the same. The crew set to keep the bird in good working order didn't do the job and as a result EVERYONE ON THAT BIRD. D I E D !!! So rule of thumb should be... If me not doing my damn job as I'm paid and trained to do can cist millions of dollars in damages and can cause loss of lives..... Then I should DO MY DAMN JOB... or go flip burgers at Burger King!!!!!
My cousin Renato lost his life almost 24 years ago on this flight God bless him and the other 87 souls who lost their lives that day. Mr poor great aunt Rosa paid a parents ultimate nightmare. I never watch this before until today get out of curiosity over the door blow out on the Alaska airlines flight recently thankfully nobody was killed It was very painful for our family
I had the same thing happen at 9,500 feet but on a Howard DGA. It was modified from a 450 hp P&W radial to a 600 hp R1340. The only DGA so modified. Suddenly it pitched straight up from normal cruise. I immediately chopped power to idle, got the nose back on the horizon after a one turn spin. Didn't know what caused it but I had a plane back under control though still with a lot of forward pressure on the column, so much so, even at idle, that I had to put my right knee on the column for relief. Never one to press my luck by tinkering with things to what caused it, I landed immediately at the nearest available airport. Found out the horizontal stabilizer jack screw which controlled trim & elevator, had stripped out after 45+ years of use! Scared the hell out of me. What saved me were Howard aircraft engineers who designed the stabilizer/elevator to hit a fuselage frame member if the jack screw ever stripped out. In other words, the stabilizer/elevator could only move so far before being stopped dead unlike this MD83. If you'd like to read about it and other adventures on the south Texas border running into Mexico, go to Amazon. Type "Over & Back" by Wild Bill Callahan for the ride of your life. If you have problems & not absolutely sure what results your remedial actions will bring....DO NOT SCREW WITH YOUR PROBLEM! If it's flyable, get it on the ground immediately! I have 50+ years of flying antiquated, ill equipped, mechanically unsound aircraft. I was very lucky!
Arjen Yaar .....Arjen, I was actually hauling 8 skydivers. They had jumped just before the jack screw stripped out. I think the turbulence generated by them getting out the door to jump is what caused the jack screw to finally strip out. If they had been onboard at that moment, none of us would be here. I would not have been able to get the nose back down.
Bill, Don't underestimate your skill in pulling off the manoeuvre that righted the aircraft.
@Goose Tater The hypocrisy. You lecture him on taking flight training? I suggest you take some reading lessons. He wasn't criticizing. His words are "Don't under-estimate", which is complementing. Jeez.
No, you didn't "have the same thing." When your jackscrew failed, you pitched up, not down. Had yours pitched down you'd have never made the airfield.
@@CitizenOWorld Your post is really strange. So every time someone makes an apology, YOU expect the person being apologized to to log in to TH-cam and say "thanks for the apology", or "I accept your apology"? Most of us are too busy living our lives. TH-cam activity generally ranks low in life's priorities (except yours it seems) Your expectations here takes silliness to a whole new level. And no, I am not apologizing to you for that, you deserve it. Get a life bud. Adios!
Those poor passengers. They had a LONG time to suffer with the fear of their condition. How terrible for them.
Robert Zeurunkl many prayers were never answered
Will G - This life means little compared to what comes after. God knows this. Not all prayers are answered because God sees a bigger picture than we could ever imagine.
Deric Gregory nothing
Deric Gregory how would you know?
Will G - I know what's in my heart. Faith = belief without proof.
And were those responsible for this ever prosecuted? Not the mechanics, but those who made the decisions, those who decided cutting costs was more important than the safety of their customers, the very lives of the customers. Those who are in charge of companies, those who constantly pressure their workers to do things faster. They are the problem, and should be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter.
Nowadays this trend is getting out of hands. Cheap Airlines are forcing all airlines driving the Costs down and cutting corners. Monopoly isnt good either, but as Airlines are force To kick maintanence crews out and fly planes with overheating engines, its seriously no good
@Goose Tater Well my father flew air force cargo planes through 80's and then jumped into civil aviation in early 90's. He flew inter-european flights as a captain in Finnair. He didnt talk much about these things but he did complain a couple of times in late 2000's how their ground crew was mostly bulgarian. At the time there was a large complaint for Finnair kicking ground crews out. Instead they hired bulgarian ground crews To work on their planes. And those guys even installed the nav Light incorrectly To his plane. Also the overheating engine is a True story, he was put into an Airbus with other engine warming over 100C° warmer than it ought To.
He saw Finnair on its prime in the 90's and early 2000's and when the cheaper budget airliners started operating the whole thing went to shit. So yeah, I can be wrong but this is what i've heard
That may be so, but the mechanic who signs off his work is ultimately responsible for his work (or lack thereof!)
no those muthafuckers should be fucking thrown in jail for 10 years, then made to pay every family that lost someone in the crash a million dollars each, then anybody wanting to go kick there asses 5 times a week while there serving there time for hustling the mechanics the people that lost family members can go to the prison where there being held and get to beat the hell out of,em for an hour, and pick up there cash on the way out, then after there 10 year tenor, fire the bastards , and tell the fucking F.A.A. to listen the fuck up news bulletin news flash, if you airline owners every push your people to rush ,hurry, or otherwise take there time so nothing is over looked that they will automatically be fucking closed down and fined big time , then taken to court to see if there are indeed guilty of employee hustling , they will be shut down indefinitely never to return to running an airline ever again, fuck those big hunks of flying shit, they may be the lowest being killed rate by way of all types of transportation, but when these fucking things go down hundreds of people die in one crash, and that is just fucking unacceptable by any standard, as long as engineers have been designing aircraft they still don't have a fucking way to save the people on board if the thing fucks up ??? what the fuck are they doing , fucking jerking off all fucking day long, I guess since more people die in auto accidents its okay, the fuck too, you muthafuckers down at the F.A.A. need a size 14 shoved up your fucking ass , if it were up to me these fucking things meaning airline jets would all be grounded and a new design to put huge parachutes on the bodies of the main fuselage, everything would drop away from the airplane leaving the passenger part to be captured by the huge parachutes and it lands safely on the ground with no more people having to die in these hunks of shit, there fucking big chunks of junk, as long as we don't take measures to employ safety mechcanisums in place, people will continue to die by the hundreds , man made flying hunks of junk , even the 747,s fuck those too flight 800 4 or 500 people died that night on that fucking thing , and as much money as the GOV. spends on space exploration in fact heres one for ya, nasa just let a 90 billion dollar explorer go straight to hell an lost it was burnt out and trashed , over 90 billion dollars, now do you think for a second 90 billion dollars applied to re designing airliners so when they fuck up and the pilots cant do dick about it, we might be able to come up with a way to save the people on the muthafuckers with that 90 billion ??? fuck all these things there nothing but flying hunks of shit, waiting to fuck up, because ofbeing rushed, well, I think my idea,s are pretty effective but I need your backing everyone , support me in my cause to save lives on these things , make your donations payable to me, on my paypal make a note or place a message to supporting saving lives on jet liners inc. to W.H.W. help me help everyone live a little longer , in these damn flying pieces of junk , im tired of seeing so many people die at there hands and the owners walk away without a damn thing happening to ,em there free as a bird to not give a damn or even care, which they don't
great idea, I agree a fucking smooth 100% , bastards, an those poor pilots tried so hard to keep that fucked up thing in the air as long as they possibly could, I wish they had made it back to the airport an landed that hunk of shit, an went an beat the fuck out of the owners, then quit, fucking assholes , but good idea , I like that, but since there greedy bastardss that don't care about nothing but money for the 88 people , lets give these bastards a nice even 100 years for good measure , fuckin dick heads
"Try it if you want, I don't care. We'll see you at the gate"
Jeez. Thanks bro
God damn, till the very end they were trying. They sounded so calm and in charge. "we're upside down, at least we're flying"//damn heroes these chaps.
"Keep the blue side up!"
:(
@Goose Tater wrong.
My friend was on this flight....RIP Larry!
My friend was alos on that flight. It still terrifies me to this day when I think about what he experinced, flying upside down. The horror.
Sorry for your loss. 🙏
To Juan and Anthony, my Condolences to you both, as well to any others who happen to read this and had loved ones on this flight.
Firstresponder 45 what the heck bro
@Firstresponder 45 okay......
Can’t imagine being one of the passengers on that flight.
@Gerry Wolf you aren't dead buddy but your heart sure did... You need some help.. Have some sympathy can you?
i would've died before the impact, heart attack once the plane is inverted
You probably would’ve passed out from fear
@@lenalee5516 You most likely wouldn't die of a heart attack. You're trying to imagine yourself on this flight and how horrific it would be and you can't imagine it so you create a easy way out. You would be crapping your pants screaming all the way with the other passengers until you hit the water. I just can't imagine their fear. I feel like puking just thinking about it.
@@latashahoward3943 yeah. Unless you already have some pre-existing heart condition, it's not possible for intense stress/fear to cause you to have a heart attack. It's so awful and sad what these passengers experienced.
The Captain and First Officer remained calm and never stopped trying to to solve the problems. Incredible courage.
I'm an automotive mechanic and I can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to do a half assed job. I know my job isn't life or death, unless I'm working on brakes, but I take pride in doing it right. If that mechanic had just done his job correctly the first time 88 people would have been able to see their families. He/she didn't just destroy 88 lives, he destroyed 88 families.
Brakes, steering, powertrain, suspension, related electrics, structure- all of these can be deadly if they fail.
Good you do your job well. I'm in my 50's and most of the time I look over my car now, especially the area where I had work done and to often I find a problem. Pinched electrical wires. Ignition timing sensor wire hitting belt. Spark plug wire on hot manifold. Oil way over full. Door hinge, and latch replaced and now the door hits the body at the hinge end and has chipped off the paint on the edge of the door and body at that point. Thing that showed up later and caused problems. One I remember well, was that the main vacuum tube was against the hot manifold and the car engine would go real fast and slow abruptly. Thankfully God protected me and others and and the car was a stick shift, and I was just coming off the highway when it melted through.
People seem to think a car over 5 or 10 years old is not safe. I did not realize until reading here that often airplanes are often older. My cars are all from the 90's and it is concerning to me as to what do I do when I'm much older. I can catch and fix much on the cars and find and fix things others miss, but age on me and the cars will run out. Hopefully the people fixers and the car fixers get better soon.
He? He?!! as a mechanic, do you really think one mechanic can do a bad job and bring down a commercial airliner?
@@joedingo1185: Yes. What kind of moronic question is that?
John, thanks, it's tough to find people with integrity. I respect you
The MD 80 is the latest version of the DC 9. Back when the DC 9 was being designed and produced, I was a university student putting myself through college, by working part time. I had a job at an aerospace subcontractor, located in the Thousand Oak's area of Southern California. I worked in the engineering department, as a juniour draughtsman. The company had the contract for the actuators located in the horizontal stabilizer in the tail of the plane. I distinctly remember two situations relating to that plane. The company sent a completed actuator to Douglas Aircraft for testing. Douglas got back to the us and were very angry. The actuator had failed the test and when it was opened up, of the eight brakes that were located in the actuator, five were missing and three that were there, were put in backwards. Another time, our chief engineer left the company to pursue other possibilities and two technicians were all we had working there, attempting to pretend that they were engineers. They certainly were not. Anyway one day, one of the technicians called me in to his office and was holding a phone. He points it at me and says "the president of Douglas wants to speak to you"! I just about choked. Remember, I'm simply a student working there part time. I told him that I was not about to speak to the gentleman, as I wouldn't have a clue what to say. What had occurred and what would have blown the whole situation sky high, because it was our normal procedure, was that Douglas would send in their specs for the actuator or whatever we were building for them and we would check it in engineering and add what the chief engineer thought necessary and we would draught a blueprint, which would then be sent to the machine shop to be made. Well, many times I, as a draughtsman, would receive a scribbled up piece of paper from one of the machinists and I would prepare a new blueprint based on the scribbles. This is exactly what occurred in this case and what made the president of Douglas want to speak to me was because my name was on the bottom of the blueprint as having draughted it. He wanted to know, why we changed the specs on that specific part. If I had spoken to him, I would have had to tell him, because a high school drop out, machinist told me to. These memories are true, believe it or not!
Never give up. In the end, all perished, but those pilots fought until the very end to save that plane and everyone onboard. This is arguably one of the most heroic instances in aviation history.
out of all the videos, this is the hardest one to watch.
This is heartwrenching. Those pilots are angels for giving everything they had.
We had a neighbor who was on this flight... a young girl just out of college. It was very sad... the terror of steep dives, pitches and rolls, and then flying upside down for an extended period of time must have been an awful way to go...
This is one crash that makes me really angry. Needless loss of life as a direct result to corporate greed and criminal negligence. And the government failed to act sufficiently after the whistleblower engineer came forward with this info. Nearly 90 people lost the majority of them would still be with us today. Unreal.
186bingo Corporate greed is destroying our country. Employees to CEO ratio use to be 20-30 to one. Now it’s 300-500 to one. The middle class is disappearing and we are turning into a third world country. No joke.
Fred Read I know it’s no joke buddy. Look at history; one of the early signs of the fall of great nations/empires is the vanishing of middle class and growing wedge between wealthy and poor people. We are turning into a banana republic.
Wesley72B99
Too bad you weren't on that flight.
its pretty typical, sadly
These pilots performed like heroes. They actually maintaining some control(and their composure) while flying inverted.
They were 0% responsible for the accident.
The mechanical failure was unrecoverable.
Rest In Peace to the 88 passengers I can’t imagine how scary that must of been. Hoping there familys
Are doing ok.
Thank you for thinking of their families. My friends' parents died on that flight- Linda and Joe Knight. My friends are Pastors Jeff and Melinda Knight of The Rock Church in Monroe, WA. They are awesome, awesome people! And so were their parents.... Yes, we need to pray for the families...
It's mind blowing to learn that an entire aircraft can crash because of the lack of lubricant on one small bolt & nut. Horrifying to think about really.
Single point failure, and not fail-safe. Recipe for disaster.
@Clemmy Magee How could they possibly know the stabilizer was jammed?
@Clemmy Magee Erm, okay...
That maintenance guy should be charged with negligent homicide. He knew he was cutting corners and did it anyway. There is always a push by management to do things faster and cheaper. And this is what it leads to. Unless we make it a crime to cut these corners, they will continue to do it. It is up the the worker to say no and either let them do it properly, or quit.
This horror makes me remember what the Nazi soldiers did at the Nuremberg trials. They said "we were just following orders".
And now, think about the Republican goal of getting rid of "regulations". How many deaths will follow? Think about Romain lettuce. Monumentally stupid.
@@georgecohen2925 The inspector told management about the destroyed bolt, the bean-counters sent out more inspectors until one of them came back and said it was fine, then they sent the plane out. The maintenance guy deserves blame, sure, but so does the management for giving no shits about safety in the face of profits.