Jesus Christ called the Holy Spirit "Spirit of Truth" (John 14:17; 15:26; John 16:13) and warned us, "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31). so heaven is full of atrocity creators who did their acts with the Holy spirit in their hearts? If its an eternity with dishonest monsters making it worse than prison. I deny the Holy spirit and I'll go with the rest of the honest moral folk to hell and have a great time knowing all the worst our society has to offer have fell for Pascal's wager hoping to pass their sins onto someone else. Repenting on your death bed makes a mockery, as those that fall for Pascal's wager, will go to slavery. Those who believe can take my sins from me, are not only delusional but are free to flee, we own our own history and that's how we come to be, our moral compass, needs no deity, try and take my sins you'll be my enemy. We've definitely been lied to using Sophistry, reigning in mans nature to stop atrocities, so now who's flawed logic should keep the authority. Everyone wants global hegemony.
I've read her books, and it's pretty clear that she thinks it wold be best if everyone were athiests. A good second option being that people water down their religions until they're barley recognizable and have zero moral restrictions or expectations.
God Almighty says in the Qur’an Those who disbelieved after their belief and then increased in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted, and those are the ones who are astray. Those who believed, then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, then increased in disbelief, God would not have forgiven them, nor would He guide them to a way.إن الذين كفروا بعد إيمانهم ثم ازدادوا كفرا لن تقبل توبتهم وأولئك هم الضالون. : إن الذين آمنوا ثم كفروا ثم آمنوا ثم كفروا ثم ازدادوا كفرا لم يكن الله ليغفر لهم ولا ليهديهم سبيلا
I appreciate Ayaan Hirsi Ali- However, her claiming that "christians" have changed their view on God and/or Hell is completely 100% false. The bible doesn't change. Jesus' teachings never changed, God never changed. Therefore a REAL, BIBLICAL christian never will either. It makes me so sad to hear a woman so intelligent encourage masses of people, basically anyone who is not islamic, encourage them to essentially create their own god/religion. It's an oximoron.
She is referring to her experience with the priest where he essentially sets asides the silly stories of the bible but affirms his faith in a higher power
@@diegosebastianperez6867 New Testament texts often reflect, rather than challenge, the violent household and political structures of the ancient world. Jesus tells parables in which beatings, and even killings, of household slaves are affirmed as disciplinary measures (for example, Luke 12:45-47). Paul warns the Corinthians, that as their “father,” he might return to them “with a rod,” presumably to beat them (1Cor 4:21). In Gal 5:12, Paul expresses the wish that those who disagree with him on the matter of circumcision might “castrate themselves.”
The fact that she has 0 knowladge of Islam and Jewish is fascinating. Just leave the three muslim names you carry and you, I and everyone else would live hapily
Enlightenment is openly talking through ideals and being open to change and accepting of diversity. I LOVE the fact that even if you wish death to Ayaan Ali this is discussed more and perhaps non-Muslims can understand in part the issues surrounding Islam, and Muslims have the knowledge they have a way out. I wish nothing but happiness to this forward thinker.
What forward thinking my friend !!!she just gave you what you want to hear, what suits you and your understanding, doesn't mean is the truth, what idealism! Just because you do not like islam and Muslims does not make it ideal, its debate without bases like your doctrine all together, you mixing emotions with logic and sensations with truth, but the truth is hard to swallow.
@royme55 I was an athiest before and didnt really care about religion at all... actually nvm i did, i mocked it as you are doing. I used to be the one commenting on muslims pages mocking their religion. But not anymore. It was less than a year ago when i found islam in my heart. Its deeper than anything youve heard in the media. U probably wont believe me but the feeling you get in islam is something amazing. You cant help but to follow the rules. Its too hard to explain in a comment.
The best religion is the one that gets you closest to God. It is the one that makes you a better person. What is it that makes you better? Whatever makes you more compassionate, more sensible, more detached, more loving, more humanitarian, more responsible, more ethical. The religion that will do that for you is the best religion. Dalei Lama
in an Islamic society (not muslim) you can say that the dhimmis would be treated as somewhat second class. But all of their rights would be protected just like muslims.
@MrFaraton She is a graduate of Leiden University. She studied the quran from childhood until young adulthood under 'formal' conditions (compulsory) and, I am sure, understands it very well indeed - maybe more than you would like her to. As for FORA.tv, the company has better things to do with its time and money than paying guest speakers to say what they would like them to say. In a market economy, no media company would survive that way commercially, if you would bother to think about it.
The concept of God in the Bible is the same. It's either the early Christians didn't have the understanding of God or people of today changed and decided to repaint God to something else that suits their new way of life.God doesn't change.
She so ridiculously simplistic and out of touch! Just because she had a bad experience with Islam and some Muslims, she decides it should be overcome? As someone who left Christianity to become Muslim, and with experience of reverts like me, you don't see us going around bashing our former faith the way she does with Islam. Islam is not about 'submission' in the English sense of the word, you don't eradicate your free will or intellect by trying to become one with Allah(swt) through Islam...
@Converted2Islam She didn't just leave being a Muslim. She moved from belief period and now an atheist. Her books discuss how she made this process and it took time and not because of the simplistic view you seem to put upon her.
On Fora it is a good interview where she discusses another book she has written, how her father handled her non-belief, family, life in US. She has an interesting perspective given her life situation.
By the verse I provided, doesnt say that muslim are not allowed to marry outside tehir religion, we are just not allowed to marry polytheists or henothiests. Christians, Jews and muslims are monotheists. Don't see where you made your point...
I love Ayaan, however the only strategy I can see in her desire for more Muslim's to be exposed to Christianity is to undermine Islam. Maybe she thinks Christian's are more easily converted away from faith and that Muslim's need to move to a "Christian" faith first as stepping stone to enlightenment and atheism. which isn't bad strategy come to think of it!
in 4:90 it says except those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty... So this time it wasn't talking about apostates. They wish that Muhammad fell into misguidance, so that him and they are equal in that regard. This is because of their extreme enmity and hatred for him. Therefore, Allah said, "So take not protectors from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah. But if they turn back"
interesting. ali has basically taken hitchen's question to christians - "would you rather a child raised in saudi arabia become wahhabi or atheist" - and turned it to atheists: "would you rather that rather that first generation teen hanging around that london/new york mosque to become a muslim or a christian" hitchens, we know, would rather a chrisitan than a muslim but what's awkward is that ali is basically making the same argument as ann coulter - that we need to convert muslims to xianity
Yes there is a destinction, in Islam all muslims (uner certain exceptions) are obligated to protect the muslim state, the dhimmis are not obligated to.
A Christian who doesn't acknowledge the concept of hell do not read the word of God. The Bible is the foundation of Christianity, if you just pick and choose from the book, then you are probably not a real Christian. Its like you believe in a God that you make up.
"and do not marry polytheistic women [to your men] until they believe. And a beliving slave women is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he pleases you. They invite you to the fire, but Allah invites to paradise, and to forgiveness, by his permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that they may remember.
To those Christians that don`t believe in hell maybe they should open their eyes when they read their bible, going to be a lot of surprised people at judgement day, or maybe I should say disappointed and HOT
I am encouraged that she is seeing that the Christians are a better option. However, that just because most uneducated, nominal Christians do not believe in a hell, doesn't mean that is the actual doctrine. They are essentially putting their own views into the the Word of God. I do not like hell, if I did i would be a lunatic hence why I am choosing to life by God's plans, rather then mine because "His thoughts are higher then my thought, His ways are higher then my ways." which will indeed keep me out of eternal torment. I understand that you might be thinking that I have lost my mind in submitting to this. And yes, it is very difficult to submit , but because it is hard, i know that it is real because of its rewards. But there is so much more then just what i can put into a youtube comment, the Love of God , the forgiveness of sins, the assurance of salvation, the blessed life and blossoming of genuine peace, compassion and being able to see people and love people as God see's His children ( which is overflowing with more love then i could ever comprehend) . Hell is only something that I desperately desire to be a instrument to pull people from, not out of religiosity but out of my love for them. But the danger is that people will not realize or want to be pulled from that if they indeed do not believe in Hell.
That’s not going to happen. When I tell anyone I am catholic, even in a state like Colorado, I get judge mental look as if I was one the warrior fighting in the the crusades. Funny thing is they don’t even know the history about crusades
im not lying to you, and even the quran says we can marry a jew. Plus one Imaam does not speak for the entire muslim community. And wtf you mean court? If the guy is in charge of financial matters there is no need for court. If the wife sews, then obviously shes equal. Its not an excuse, the quran was written in arabic, not english. And I use different translations. Haven't come to a full conclusion who I like the most yet.
And if muslim women cant marry outside their religion, give me a hadith and/or quran verse saying so. If you cannot, then you are just arguing from ignorance, thus you hate Islam for no reason, meaning you hate something because you want to. Which means you allow hatred without valid reasoning. You sure are sick.
Yes unlike Christianity, Judaism is not forced on people and people are not forced or pressured to join. It's not a cult. Your cult should take some notes.
yes, because in Islam, the punishment for adultery is death, but yu need witnesses to prove adultery, but the husband cant beat her that it shows any marks plus he cant hit her face of chest. Plus the beating is not allowed to leave bruises and breaking of skin. Yes women can marry anyone she wishes. They have the same rights depending on the subject. Men are not superior but only in the financial aspects, and dont fight that cause whos the one always doing the bills? Dad
@Em183 my apologies for not noticing your reply two months ago, feel free to message me if you would like more solutions ... i'm just happy you didn't swear and curse at me after i replied ... i sincerely appreciate that one act alone LOL
@Vincentaneous Why do you think that is?Not because Christianity is so peaceful, just look at history. Christians stopped having witch burnings and crazy Inquisitions not because of the Bible or themselves, but because of secularism. That's the only difference between Islam and Christianity, Christianity is practiced in countries that were made secular after ages of religious oppression and Islam is practiced still in theocracies. History has shown what Christianity is like outside secularism.
the word "apostate" is not even remotely found in the qur'an. So good luck giving me your verse and proving me your blind ignorant proposition... But (who knows) you may not know what the verse apostate in arabic is, so i really doubt you will find it. And I've read many english translations of the qur'an and never once I saw the word apostate in any of them, so REALLY, have fun giving me that verse lol.
the later verse says (66:5) Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you, would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting (to allah), devoutly obedient, repenting, worshipping, and traveling - previously married and virgins
and theres a story that a woman was given in marriage w.o consent and Muhammad invalidated it in Sahih Bukhari 62:69 (Kitabul-Nikkah(Book of Marriage))
Every chapter has a historical background behind it, no one bothers looking at the history to get a clear image. So they commit a fallacy on 2 degrees of taking out of context: historical and on literacy.
As an atheist I do not understand why there is more focus on battling Christianity instead of battling islam, which is far more harmful in modern society In the "Christian" west , most countries have secular constitutions that prevent theocracy , that is not true in the vast majority of muslim-majority countries
@@mariolis nah, islam is justice and mercy and many other things, but focus on justice cus it's most important, but can you tell me what is the destr,uctive and opressive that islam has done
@trumasamune its not a no true scotsman because taking the qur'an to be the literal word of god is an intrinsic property of being a muslim. just like not eating pork is an intrinsic property of being a vegetarian the qur'an is the only book that makes a claim of infallibility that its followers accept.
unfortunately, children are married off almost in every culture, so dont blame that on Islam. And arranged marriages are forbidden, if you look, the cultures of the country still carry this practice. To relate a cultural practice to a religion is complete bigot, completely ignorant, and serves no connection. Theres nothing in Islam that says arrange marriages are allowed.
QURAN QUOTES :- 32. They want to extinguish God’s light with their mouths, but God refuses except to complete His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it. 33. It is He who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, in order to make it prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters dislike it....
Hay, Hell is not created for you. Just if you do not like God, then where do you do? So it is you yourselves select to go. Actually God love you and want you to go to heaven!
A lot of people don't realize that God came down, in the form of Jesus, and endured hell for us so we wouldn't have to. People don't realize that even the smallest lie will doom us to an eternal separation from God if we don't get honest with God about our sins and repent & let Him wash the sins away. God hates sin because it hurts us and separates us from Him.
People wonder why God would doom us to hell. It is because we cling to our sin. If we want to keep our sin, we abandon God. If we want God, we must abandon our sin.
its true many christians believe a very mild form of their religion (no hell, etc.) but those are not the same people who proselytize. nobody knocks on doors to sell their personalized, watered down, cherry picked christianity.
-Have you asked women who converted to Islam? the first thing they say is that they find their true freedom in Islam. -The verses in the Quran that states killing infidels only when they kill you, and you stop the killing when they stop killing you (always self defense) -Beat you wives! The Quran gives a wise stepwise method for those violent men to only resort to beating after taking a long course of anger management. Those who are not violent are not addressed in this verse.
That one man who killed 77 people in Norway, because he fears that Europe will be overrun by Islam, may have cited the work of those who speak and write against political Islam in Europe and America - myself among them - but he does not say in his 1500 page manifesto that it was these people who inspired him to kill. He says very clearly that it was the advocates of silence. Because all outlets to express his views were censored, he says, he had no other choice but to use violence.
@heyzeusful Description of Appeal to Authority An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form: 1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S. 2. Person A makes claim C about subject S. 3. Therefore, C is true. Just because someone is right about one thing doesn't mean that everything they believe in is true. Also, I am not talking about the accomplishments individual human beings. I am talking about thought processes. Logic is always better than making it up.
For some strange...I cannot tolerate listening to her for more than few seconds. She an Atheist but not just any atheist, she has litterly declared war on "Allah and his Messenger Muhammad" of course it's war she is going to lose miserably.. I am myself a so so muslim who does not even pray at the moment or Fast but i can never openly challenge "Allah and his Messenger" and i am shaking in my boots for being a so so muslim, I am scared of death cause i know what awaits me on the other end.
Abstractions about God creates a false "god"! Papists and islamic philosophies shake hands. Christians relate with the Incarnate God-Man Jesus- that He live in our "hearts". Please tell this lovely one: Light of Christ in glory becomes "fire" to those who reject Him, and illuminates those who love Him! RC's can "create" (the pope) any dogma since it's not based on Holy Scriptures, but on his infallibilty! God is revealed in Christ- the greatest "Lover of Mankind" and transformer of our lives!
88:21, 5:54 serves nothing of killing apostates. 9:66 is taken out of context, read from 9:64-67, it talking about hypocrites. 2:217 also says nothing of killing apostates.
Be aware of the sweet and diplomatic tongue that is like poison dusted into honey. Lies about the Almighty and His messengers has its pay price. The Almighty sees the hearts. A person speaks the truth till it is written on his book among the trustworthy, and person lies till it is written on his book among the liars. One day you be exposed and the truth will prevail against all odds.
Um. No. What the world needs is less religion entirely. We need more people basing their thinking off of reason and common sense. And everyone is born with that. Not off of who has the better imaginary friend.
First of all, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I like you very much! You have a sharp mind. Only, regarding hell you are not using it. I don't mean the hell conception of the Middle Age, which might have been influenced by Islam. The Bible doesn't give such descriptions! The Bible only says that it is an horrible place, a place where God isn't present. Jesus mostly says, "....where their worm not dies!" Their worm? What is that? Could it be their conscience? - But why must there be a hell, if there is afterlife? Well, I invite you after your death to sit next to Hitler or Mohamed!!!!!!!! Does this sound like hell to you?
penalty for regular apostasy is nothing, if done to spread mischief, its death (a.k.a treason). Homosexuality, really, there isnt, but people blindly say its death, is lashing. And Remember I used the word *BLINDLY*
@123zero123abc123 What she knows is her own experience. Personally I find her a very interesting person because of where she came from to where she is now in her thinking. It is interesting for me to see how various people move from various religious upbringing to atheism. I also think the reason she fears for her life colors her views, which is quite understandable to me. I consider her a sort of cultural anthropologist with personal viewpoints.
...you develop your knowledge, morals and character through research and study of yourself, the world, and what Islam as a way of life says about this. Islam DOES NOT permit the beating of ones wife, nor does it teach killing anyone(believer on not) for no or ridiculous reasons.Instead of trying to compete as people of faiths or no faith in a 'market place' as she puts it, we should share our ideologies with respect and passion for what we believe in, not to insult the ideologies of others.
and muslims should make apostates feel threatened if they do it as a renegade. And muslims dont misinterrprete it, they take verses out of context like you are doing now. And theres nothing to improve, you simply take verses out of context and no knowledge of its history.
@heyzeusful Ceremonies are not thought processes. They are mainly physical acts. As for "being...able to resist brainwashing", I am curious to know how you know enough about me to make such a claim. No one ever attempted to brainwash me with religion.
Its not interfering in peoples lives? So what happens if someone decides to leave islam? Will they be left alone? What happens if someone is a homosexual? Will they be left alone in islamic countries? Why does islam care if people leave islam?
i somali muslim american. today i had chat with young upcomming christian preacher @ work. i am teaching him abt islam So ayaan i welcome any christian over cup of tea .ahmed deedat God bless him taught us. any christian out there we invite u to debate or talk or dailogue which ever u wish.ayaan was muslim she doesnt how we view jesus and what he meant to us. or Moses..let see how the bible view women or slavery.question if you are christian dont u submit your will to God.?
What religion a person chooses is up to them. However, before someone starts listening to some liar about what Islam is they need to do some research on the internet; preferably on .ORG sites as they're a more reliable source. This way they can get an outside look at who Mohammad was and an overall look at the religion.
We do not need to go to the internet to find about Islam we go to the Koran and to The Hobbit believe me sisters my friend that's what I do in everything that I am said about Islam is what I have found that out in Koran and have it one question my friend have you read The Hobbit I don't think you have read it all because they are thousands but at least have you read some habits you will find the true Islam Jesus Christ love you so very much and I love you I pray for Muslims everyday and I go to preach to them too
deficient - lacking some element or characteristic as you can see he was talking about certain kinds of women, not all in general because obviously not all women are like this, not even Muhammad's wives were like this.
@jshjamaar The Bile has so many of these huge unverifiable stories that somehow don't show up in any other account, that it is worthless,even as a reference. Between all the stories of which we know they are outright lies or stuff that never happened (like the census and Herod's rampage) it's impossible to identify something that may have been true.
Here is the words of the early church father, Origen (3rd century CE): “The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.” Origen, early church father in “Commentary on Matthew.” Greek gospel were written after the Jew-Roman war 66AD. Prior to the war, the followers of Jesus (pbuh) were the Jewish Nasoraen. NOT Greek Romans. Interesting isnt it. Did the Nasoreans who rejected Paul even use Greek gospel? Do the contents of Greek Gospel support Paul's doctrine or not? Its easy to figure these things out.
Being homosexual is not punishable itself due to Allah creating us all just how He pleased and He thinks we’re all perfect in his eyes, the issue comes when people act on their feeling. What do we mean by that? Well having a same gender partner, having same gender sex, and presenting urself as homosexual out in the open in a way that promotes it and makes others want to do what your doing a well. The punishment in sharia laws when acting on homosexuality is punished by the death penalty.
That's like saying "why Nazism needs more competition by Francoism". Even I as an atheist thought that christianity is about peace and love but it is just chauvinistic shit. If she wants the muslims to leave Islam because of its ideology then she may not encourage them to convert to christianity because it's also a shitty ideology. If she wants them to leave Islam and convert to christianity because Christians have become more peaceful and tolerant (which means they ignore their own rules) why doesn't she encourage them to join a peaceful and tolerant group of muslims. For example most sufis are very peaceful and there are other groups. In neither way converting to christianity is good or logical. PS: converting to any religion and believing in it is bullshit.
"Among Muslim and non-muslims is quite abit diff". WHY? The fact that your silly religion tells you that certain people are off limits is divisive and discriminatory.
@justonemorename Actually, Canada was the home of abolitionism. It was the first country to abolish slavery in 1792. Britain was second in (I believe) 1808. Canada then became the end goal of the Freedom Train. America caught up some 3 or 4 generations later to it's great credit, by way of the marvelous leadership of Lincoln and other like-minded leaders.
It's her education, intelligence, independent mind, and the free spirits that marks her out from the rest. Submission to any religious ideology or cult is not for her. Islam demands submission. But she is not ready for it. She has a critical, skeptical, and an independent mind that raise questions, and demands answers. This goes against grain in the way of Islamic teaching. Women raised under Islamic culture are expected to be submissive. Education of girls is frowned upon by Muslims. They even target girls on their way to school with acid or bullets on the face. This lady has overcome many obstacles in her fight against discrimination, prejudice, inequality, sexism, perhaps even death threats.
@Em183 you are correct in that shouldn't force people, it's common sense which is why there is no compulsion in religion when it comes to Islam ... like i said before, there is nothing wrong with Questioning THEIR/YOURS "truth" ... everyone rather live i life they know is the truth, this is the safest generalization... wouldn't you like to know your parents, your degree, your memories, your religion are not fake? ... this is part of the sciences to question in order to get at the truth :-) ..
Those Christans who say that hell has been abolished must have never opened the Bible.
Plz come tothe islam
Say that to Christians in Germany or Switzerland.
I am Catholic, and I read her autobiography. I am saddened that her life experiences made her an atheist but I still totally respect her!
arynne hempstock I’m saddened her experiences were so obviously painful for her, Arynne.
Why do you respect a liar 🤥
Jesus Christ called the Holy Spirit "Spirit of Truth" (John 14:17; 15:26; John 16:13) and warned us, "All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men" (Matthew 12:31).
so heaven is full of atrocity creators who did their acts with the Holy spirit in their hearts?
If its an eternity with dishonest monsters making it worse than prison.
I deny the Holy spirit and I'll go with the rest of the honest moral folk to hell and have a great time knowing all the worst our society has to offer have fell for Pascal's wager hoping to pass their sins onto someone else.
Repenting on your death bed makes a mockery, as those that fall for Pascal's wager, will go to slavery. Those who believe can take my sins from me,
are not only delusional but are free to flee, we own our own history and that's how we come to be, our moral compass, needs no deity, try and take my sins you'll be my enemy.
We've definitely been lied to using Sophistry, reigning in mans nature to stop atrocities, so now who's flawed logic should keep the authority. Everyone wants global hegemony.
She’s a Christian now!
I've read her books, and it's pretty clear that she thinks it wold be best if everyone were athiests. A good second option being that people water down their religions until they're barley recognizable and have zero moral restrictions or expectations.
God Almighty says in the Qur’an Those who disbelieved after their belief and then increased in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted, and those are the ones who are astray.
Those who believed, then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, then increased in disbelief, God would not have forgiven them, nor would He guide them to a way.إن الذين كفروا بعد إيمانهم ثم ازدادوا كفرا لن تقبل توبتهم وأولئك هم الضالون.
: إن الذين آمنوا ثم كفروا ثم آمنوا ثم كفروا ثم ازدادوا كفرا لم يكن الله ليغفر لهم ولا ليهديهم سبيلا
Thank you brother i was dissapointed that this ****may repent in her last breath
I appreciate Ayaan Hirsi Ali- However, her claiming that "christians" have changed their view on God and/or Hell is completely 100% false. The bible doesn't change. Jesus' teachings never changed, God never changed. Therefore a REAL, BIBLICAL christian never will either. It makes me so sad to hear a woman so intelligent encourage masses of people, basically anyone who is not islamic, encourage them to essentially create their own god/religion. It's an oximoron.
She is referring to her experience with the priest where he essentially sets asides the silly stories of the bible but affirms his faith in a higher power
Rationalist Society No, that's not what I'm talking about. She referred to christians, as a whole after that story about the catholic priest.
WereAllMadHere64 teaching of Christ Jesus our Lord never taught violence.
@@diegosebastianperez6867 New Testament texts often reflect, rather than challenge, the violent household and political structures of the ancient world. Jesus tells parables in which beatings, and even killings, of household slaves are affirmed as disciplinary measures (for example, Luke 12:45-47). Paul warns the Corinthians, that as their “father,” he might return to them “with a rod,” presumably to beat them (1Cor 4:21). In Gal 5:12, Paul expresses the wish that those who disagree with him on the matter of circumcision might “castrate themselves.”
Christians are not the same as they were in the 800s. Beliefs "change," and attention is changed to certain books and lines.
The fact that she has 0 knowladge of Islam and Jewish is fascinating. Just leave the three muslim names you carry and you, I and everyone else would live hapily
Enlightenment is openly talking through ideals and being open to change and accepting of diversity. I LOVE the fact that even if you wish death to Ayaan Ali this is discussed more and perhaps non-Muslims can understand in part the issues surrounding Islam, and Muslims have the knowledge they have a way out. I wish nothing but happiness to this forward thinker.
What forward thinking my friend !!!she just gave you what you want to hear, what suits you and your understanding, doesn't mean is the truth, what idealism!
Just because you do not like islam and Muslims does not make it ideal, its debate without bases like your doctrine all together, you mixing emotions with logic and sensations with truth, but the truth is hard to swallow.
@royme55 I was an athiest before and didnt really care about religion at all... actually nvm i did, i mocked it as you are doing. I used to be the one commenting on muslims pages mocking their religion. But not anymore. It was less than a year ago when i found islam in my heart. Its deeper than anything youve heard in the media. U probably wont believe me but the feeling you get in islam is something amazing. You cant help but to follow the rules. Its too hard to explain in a comment.
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Lol...please run from Islam plssss😢😢
The best religion is the one that gets you closest to God.
It is the one that makes you a better person.
What is it that makes you better?
Whatever makes you more compassionate,
more sensible,
more detached,
more loving,
more humanitarian,
more responsible,
more ethical.
The religion that will do that for you is the best religion.
Dalei Lama
Yes islam
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a hero and a beautiful person in and out.
in an Islamic society (not muslim) you can say that the dhimmis would be treated as somewhat second class. But all of their rights would be protected just like muslims.
@MrFaraton She is a graduate of Leiden University. She studied the quran from childhood until young adulthood under 'formal' conditions (compulsory) and, I am sure, understands it very well indeed - maybe more than you would like her to. As for FORA.tv, the company has better things to do with its time and money than paying guest speakers to say what they would like them to say. In a market economy, no media company would survive that way commercially, if you would bother to think about it.
Truly an amazingly outspoken person
The concept of God in the Bible is the same. It's either the early Christians didn't have the understanding of God or people of today changed and decided to repaint God to something else that suits their new way of life.God doesn't change.
She so ridiculously simplistic and out of touch! Just because she had a bad experience with Islam and some Muslims, she decides it should be overcome? As someone who left Christianity to become Muslim, and with experience of reverts like me, you don't see us going around bashing our former faith the way she does with Islam. Islam is not about 'submission' in the English sense of the word, you don't eradicate your free will or intellect by trying to become one with Allah(swt) through Islam...
@Converted2Islam She didn't just leave being a Muslim. She moved from belief period and now an atheist. Her books discuss how she made this process and it took time and not because of the simplistic view you seem to put upon her.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is my greatest living hero.
That's sad
On Fora it is a good interview where she discusses another book she has written, how her father handled her non-belief, family, life in US. She has an interesting perspective given her life situation.
On aljazeera they said if things continue at the current rate there may be no Islam in africa in 10years. They are turning to Jesus.
This is such a blatant lie. Islam in Africa is growing as it is everywhere else. In fact it's actually the fastest-growing in America. Quit lying.
Who's watching this in 2020.
After 10 years...wow
By the verse I provided, doesnt say that muslim are not allowed to marry outside tehir religion, we are just not allowed to marry polytheists or henothiests. Christians, Jews and muslims are monotheists. Don't see where you made your point...
I love Ayaan, however the only strategy I can see in her desire for more Muslim's to be exposed to Christianity is to undermine Islam.
Maybe she thinks Christian's are more easily converted away from faith and that Muslim's need to move to a "Christian" faith first as stepping stone to enlightenment and atheism.
which isn't bad strategy come to think of it!
Not so sure about that.
@@Rolando_Cueva you’ll be surprised
@volound My reply was to some commenters saying she does not understand Islam, not Hirsi Ali herself.
I think we are on the same side man.
Cheers. =)
in 4:90 it says except those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty... So this time it wasn't talking about apostates. They wish that Muhammad fell into misguidance, so that him and they are equal in that regard. This is because of their extreme enmity and hatred for him. Therefore, Allah said, "So take not protectors from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah. But if they turn back"
interesting. ali has basically taken hitchen's question to christians - "would you rather a child raised in saudi arabia become wahhabi or atheist" - and turned it to atheists: "would you rather that rather that first generation teen hanging around that london/new york mosque to become a muslim or a christian"
hitchens, we know, would rather a chrisitan than a muslim
but what's awkward is that ali is basically making the same argument as ann coulter - that we need to convert muslims to xianity
You are an amazing and remarkable woman, Ayaan!
Yes there is a destinction, in Islam all muslims (uner certain exceptions) are obligated to protect the muslim state, the dhimmis are not obligated to.
A Christian who doesn't acknowledge the concept of hell do not read the word of God. The Bible is the foundation of Christianity, if you just pick and choose from the book, then you are probably not a real Christian. Its like you believe in a God that you make up.
"and do not marry polytheistic women [to your men] until they believe. And a beliving slave women is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he pleases you. They invite you to the fire, but Allah invites to paradise, and to forgiveness, by his permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that they may remember.
To those Christians that don`t believe in hell maybe they should open their eyes when they read their bible, going to be a lot of surprised people at judgement day, or maybe I should say disappointed and HOT
I am encouraged that she is seeing that the Christians are a better option. However, that just because most uneducated, nominal Christians do not believe in a hell, doesn't mean that is the actual doctrine. They are essentially putting their own views into the the Word of God. I do not like hell, if I did i would be a lunatic hence why I am choosing to life by God's plans, rather then mine because "His thoughts are higher then my thought, His ways are higher then my ways." which will indeed keep me out of eternal torment. I understand that you might be thinking that I have lost my mind in submitting to this. And yes, it is very difficult to submit , but because it is hard, i know that it is real because of its rewards.
But there is so much more then just what i can put into a youtube comment, the Love of God , the forgiveness of sins, the assurance of salvation, the blessed life and blossoming of genuine peace, compassion and being able to see people and love people as God see's His children ( which is overflowing with more love then i could ever comprehend) . Hell is only something that I desperately desire to be a instrument to pull people from, not out of religiosity but out of my love for them. But the danger is that people will not realize or want to be pulled from that if they indeed do not believe in Hell.
Islam is horrific, actually.
Now she's a Christian. Thank you Jesus for showing her the Way🙏🙏🙏
That’s not going to happen. When I tell anyone I am catholic, even in a state like Colorado, I get judge mental look as if I was one the warrior fighting in the the crusades. Funny thing is they don’t even know the history about crusades
im not lying to you, and even the quran says we can marry a jew. Plus one Imaam does not speak for the entire muslim community. And wtf you mean court? If the guy is in charge of financial matters there is no need for court. If the wife sews, then obviously shes equal. Its not an excuse, the quran was written in arabic, not english. And I use different translations. Haven't come to a full conclusion who I like the most yet.
And if muslim women cant marry outside their religion, give me a hadith and/or quran verse saying so. If you cannot, then you are just arguing from ignorance, thus you hate Islam for no reason, meaning you hate something because you want to. Which means you allow hatred without valid reasoning. You sure are sick.
Yes unlike Christianity, Judaism is not forced on people and people are not forced or pressured to join.
It's not a cult. Your cult should take some notes.
yes, because in Islam, the punishment for adultery is death, but yu need witnesses to prove adultery, but the husband cant beat her that it shows any marks plus he cant hit her face of chest. Plus the beating is not allowed to leave bruises and breaking of skin. Yes women can marry anyone she wishes. They have the same rights depending on the subject. Men are not superior but only in the financial aspects, and dont fight that cause whos the one always doing the bills? Dad
I left Evangelical Christianity a few years back, they definitely believe in hell. 😂
@Em183 my apologies for not noticing your reply two months ago, feel free to message me if you would like more solutions ... i'm just happy you didn't swear and curse at me after i replied ... i sincerely appreciate that one act alone LOL
@Vincentaneous
Why do you think that is?Not because Christianity is so peaceful, just look at history. Christians stopped having witch burnings and crazy Inquisitions not because of the Bible or themselves, but because of secularism. That's the only difference between Islam and Christianity, Christianity is practiced in countries that were made secular after ages of religious oppression and Islam is practiced still in theocracies. History has shown what Christianity is like outside secularism.
Why not celebrate human freedom by not being involved with a religion? Its the only rational thing for evolving humans to do.
@yakov321 I know what you mean. Dignity just emanates from her. I'm so grateful for a) her and b) TH-cam!
the word "apostate" is not even remotely found in the qur'an. So good luck giving me your verse and proving me your blind ignorant proposition... But (who knows) you may not know what the verse apostate in arabic is, so i really doubt you will find it. And I've read many english translations of the qur'an and never once I saw the word apostate in any of them, so REALLY, have fun giving me that verse lol.
the later verse says (66:5) Perhaps his Lord, if he divorced you, would substitute for him wives better than you - submitting (to allah), devoutly obedient, repenting, worshipping, and traveling - previously married and virgins
and theres a story that a woman was given in marriage w.o consent and Muhammad invalidated it in Sahih Bukhari 62:69 (Kitabul-Nikkah(Book of Marriage))
Every chapter has a historical background behind it, no one bothers looking at the history to get a clear image. So they commit a fallacy on 2 degrees of taking out of context: historical and on literacy.
As an atheist I do not understand why there is more focus on battling Christianity instead of battling islam, which is far more harmful in modern society
In the "Christian" west , most countries have secular constitutions that prevent theocracy , that is not true in the vast majority of muslim-majority countries
Yeah you should fear Islam, cus it's coming
@@justaguy3538 I dont fear islam, but I oppose it
@@mariolis and why is that
@@justaguy3538 Because Islam is destructive and opressive
@@mariolis nah, islam is justice and mercy and many other things, but focus on justice cus it's most important, but can you tell me what is the destr,uctive and opressive that islam has done
No, just using her mind and telling the truth.
@trumasamune its not a no true scotsman because taking the qur'an to be the literal word of god is an intrinsic property of being a muslim. just like not eating pork is an intrinsic property of being a vegetarian
the qur'an is the only book that makes a claim of infallibility that its followers accept.
unfortunately, children are married off almost in every culture, so dont blame that on Islam. And arranged marriages are forbidden, if you look, the cultures of the country still carry this practice. To relate a cultural practice to a religion is complete bigot, completely ignorant, and serves no connection. Theres nothing in Islam that says arrange marriages are allowed.
QURAN QUOTES :-
32. They want to extinguish God’s light with their mouths, but God refuses except to complete His light, even though the disbelievers dislike it.
33. It is He who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, in order to make it prevail over all religions, even though the idolaters dislike it....
Hay, Hell is not created for you. Just if you do not like God, then where do you do? So it is you yourselves select to go. Actually God love you and want you to go to heaven!
A lot of people don't realize that God came down, in the form of Jesus, and endured hell for us so we wouldn't have to. People don't realize that even the smallest lie will doom us to an eternal separation from God if we don't get honest with God about our sins and repent & let Him wash the sins away. God hates sin because it hurts us and separates us from Him.
People wonder why God would doom us to hell. It is because we cling to our sin. If we want to keep our sin, we abandon God. If we want God, we must abandon our sin.
its true many christians believe a very mild form of their religion (no hell, etc.)
but those are not the same people who proselytize. nobody knocks on doors to sell their personalized, watered down, cherry picked christianity.
Ayaan you are such a beautiful sister!!!
Alhamdulillah proud to be muslim. May Allah guide us all. Allah is a one. Muhammad the last messenger, Jesus the second last prophets of Allah
No other religion is bothered about being " fastest growing religion"...
-Have you asked women who converted to Islam? the first thing they say is that they find their true freedom in Islam.
-The verses in the Quran that states killing infidels only when they kill you, and you stop the killing when they stop killing you (always self defense)
-Beat you wives! The Quran gives a wise stepwise method for those violent men to only resort to beating after taking a long course of anger management. Those who are not violent are not addressed in this verse.
@yngliars Her definition of Islam is accurate.
that was a very unenthusiastic applause at the end.
Biblical Christians never changed the concept of God. We still believe there is a heaven and a hell.
That one man who killed 77 people in Norway, because he fears that Europe will be overrun by Islam, may have cited the work of those who speak and write against political Islam in Europe and America - myself among them - but he does not say in his 1500 page manifesto that it was these people who inspired him to kill. He says very clearly that it was the advocates of silence. Because all outlets to express his views were censored, he says, he had no other choice but to use violence.
also since no hadith or verse says they cannot become married, that too is self-proven that its very much possible.
@heyzeusful Description of Appeal to Authority
An Appeal to Authority is a fallacy with the following form:
1. Person A is (claimed to be) an authority on subject S.
2. Person A makes claim C about subject S.
3. Therefore, C is true.
Just because someone is right about one thing doesn't mean that everything they believe in is true. Also, I am not talking about the accomplishments individual human beings. I am talking about thought processes. Logic is always better than making it up.
For some strange...I cannot tolerate listening to her for more than few seconds. She an Atheist but not just any atheist, she has litterly declared war on "Allah and his Messenger Muhammad" of course it's war she is going to lose miserably.. I am myself a so so muslim who does not even pray at the moment or Fast but i can never openly challenge "Allah and his Messenger" and i am shaking in my boots for being a so so muslim, I am scared of death cause i know what awaits me on the other end.
For a "perfect" and "peaceful" religion, islam sure has a MAJOR problem of getting its peaceful message across.
This lady never understood Islam, thats why she left it. You don't leave Islam just because of what Bin Laden or others do.
How do you feel now lol
Abstractions about God creates a false "god"! Papists and islamic philosophies shake hands. Christians relate with the Incarnate God-Man Jesus- that He live in our "hearts". Please tell this lovely one: Light of Christ in glory becomes "fire" to those who reject Him, and illuminates those who love Him! RC's can "create" (the pope) any dogma since it's not based on Holy Scriptures, but on his infallibilty! God is revealed in Christ- the greatest "Lover of Mankind" and transformer of our lives!
88:21, 5:54 serves nothing of killing apostates. 9:66 is taken out of context, read from 9:64-67, it talking about hypocrites. 2:217 also says nothing of killing apostates.
Be aware of the sweet and diplomatic tongue that is like poison dusted into honey.
Lies about the Almighty and His messengers has its pay price.
The Almighty sees the hearts.
A person speaks the truth till it is written on his book among the trustworthy, and person lies till it is written on his book among the liars.
One day you be exposed and the truth will prevail against all odds.
Um. No. What the world needs is less religion entirely. We need more people basing their thinking off of reason and common sense. And everyone is born with that. Not off of who has the better imaginary friend.
First of all, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I like you very much! You have a sharp mind. Only, regarding hell you are not using it. I don't mean the hell conception of the Middle Age, which might have been influenced by Islam. The Bible doesn't give such descriptions! The Bible only says that it is an horrible place, a place where God isn't present. Jesus mostly says, "....where their worm not dies!" Their worm? What is that? Could it be their conscience? - But why must there be a hell, if there is afterlife? Well, I invite you after your death to sit next to Hitler or Mohamed!!!!!!!! Does this sound like hell to you?
Or maybe next to you inshallah.... Prophet Mohamad inshallah will be in the highest place in heavens.
penalty for regular apostasy is nothing, if done to spread mischief, its death (a.k.a treason). Homosexuality, really, there isnt, but people blindly say its death, is lashing. And Remember I used the word *BLINDLY*
oh no, Islam doesnt have that problem. It's the people, stop treating religion like its a human, this isn't poetry class.
@paulusarab What am i lying about? I swear, everything I said was the truth.
@123zero123abc123 What she knows is her own experience. Personally I find her a very interesting person because of where she came from to where she is now in her thinking. It is interesting for me to see how various people move from various religious upbringing to atheism. I also think the reason she fears for her life colors her views, which is quite understandable to me. I consider her a sort of cultural anthropologist with personal viewpoints.
...you develop your knowledge, morals and character through research and study of yourself, the world, and what Islam as a way of life says about this. Islam DOES NOT permit the beating of ones wife, nor does it teach killing anyone(believer on not) for no or ridiculous reasons.Instead of trying to compete as people of faiths or no faith in a 'market place' as she puts it, we should share our ideologies with respect and passion for what we believe in, not to insult the ideologies of others.
and muslims should make apostates feel threatened if they do it as a renegade. And muslims dont misinterrprete it, they take verses out of context like you are doing now. And theres nothing to improve, you simply take verses out of context and no knowledge of its history.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Now you can laugh and do what ever you want .But in CAPITAL LETTERS one day you will stand in front of your greater
Islam is not a race.
Andrew Tucker Of course not, Andrew...but for most Muslims, Islam is part and parcel of their identity. 🤔
I'm surprised, she comes across as very very likeable. When reading her words, she sounds very angry. Interesting!
@heyzeusful Ceremonies are not thought processes. They are mainly physical acts.
As for "being...able to resist brainwashing", I am curious to know how you know enough about me to make such a claim. No one ever attempted to brainwash me with religion.
Its not interfering in peoples lives? So what happens if someone decides to leave islam? Will they be left alone? What happens if someone is a homosexual? Will they be left alone in islamic countries?
Why does islam care if people leave islam?
i somali muslim american. today i had chat with young upcomming christian preacher @ work. i am teaching him abt islam So ayaan i welcome any christian over cup of tea .ahmed deedat God bless him taught us. any christian out there we invite u to debate or talk or dailogue which ever u wish.ayaan was muslim she doesnt how we view jesus and what he meant to us. or Moses..let see how the bible view women or slavery.question if you are christian dont u submit your will to God.?
What religion a person chooses is up to them. However, before someone starts listening to some liar about what Islam is they need to do some research on the internet; preferably on .ORG sites as they're a more reliable source. This way they can get an outside look at who Mohammad was and an overall look at the religion.
We do not need to go to the internet to find about Islam we go to the Koran and to The Hobbit believe me sisters my friend that's what I do in everything that I am said about Islam is what I have found that out in Koran and have it one question my friend have you read The Hobbit I don't think you have read it all because they are thousands but at least have you read some habits you will find the true Islam Jesus Christ love you so very much and I love you I pray for Muslims everyday and I go to preach to them too
What in the world does *_The Hobbit_* have to do with anything? LOL
Allah kusoo hanuuniyo walashey mcney😭😭❣🙏
Xalimo tan walasha mahan gaash xuntaa maqaal ay leedahan aqriyay nabiga scw ayay af lagaadeynee
Allh ha qabto
deficient - lacking some element or characteristic
as you can see he was talking about certain kinds of women, not all in general because obviously not all women are like this, not even Muhammad's wives were like this.
Do all the haters in the comments realize that they only prove her right?
actually, not 2 degrees, 3 degrees because of ambiguity to the word "apostate" in Islamic definition.
@jshjamaar
The Bile has so many of these huge unverifiable stories that somehow don't show up in any other account, that it is worthless,even as a reference. Between all the stories of which we know they are outright lies or stuff that never happened (like the census and Herod's rampage) it's impossible to identify something that may have been true.
Look back in history when Christianity ruled....
Here is the words of the early church father, Origen (3rd century CE):
“The differences among the manuscripts have become great, either through the negligence of some copyists or through the perverse audacity of others; they either neglect to check over what they have transcribed, or, in the process of checking, they make additions or deletions as they please.” Origen, early church father in “Commentary on Matthew.”
Greek gospel were written after the Jew-Roman war 66AD. Prior to the war, the followers of Jesus (pbuh) were the Jewish Nasoraen. NOT Greek Romans. Interesting isnt it. Did the Nasoreans who rejected Paul even use Greek gospel? Do the contents of Greek Gospel support Paul's doctrine or not? Its easy to figure these things out.
What is the penalty for apostasy and homosexuality under sharia law?
Being homosexual is not punishable itself due to Allah creating us all just how He pleased and He thinks we’re all perfect in his eyes, the issue comes when people act on their feeling. What do we mean by that? Well having a same gender partner, having same gender sex, and presenting urself as homosexual out in the open in a way that promotes it and makes others want to do what your doing a well. The punishment in sharia laws when acting on homosexuality is punished by the death penalty.
That's like saying "why Nazism needs more competition by Francoism". Even I as an atheist thought that christianity is about peace and love but it is just chauvinistic shit. If she wants the muslims to leave Islam because of its ideology then she may not encourage them to convert to christianity because it's also a shitty ideology. If she wants them to leave Islam and convert to christianity because Christians have become more peaceful and tolerant (which means they ignore their own rules) why doesn't she encourage them to join a peaceful and tolerant group of muslims. For example most sufis are very peaceful and there are other groups. In neither way converting to christianity is good or logical.
PS: converting to any religion and believing in it is bullshit.
"Among Muslim and non-muslims is quite abit diff". WHY? The fact that your silly religion tells you that certain people are off limits is divisive and discriminatory.
What intrigues me is how this person gets all this air time to bash islam without a muslim to challenge her statements.
Always one sided.
@justonemorename Actually, Canada was the home of abolitionism. It was the first country to abolish slavery in 1792. Britain was second in (I believe) 1808. Canada then became the end goal of the Freedom Train. America caught up some 3 or 4 generations later to it's great credit, by way of the marvelous leadership of Lincoln and other like-minded leaders.
It's her education, intelligence, independent mind, and the free spirits that marks her out from the rest. Submission to any religious ideology or cult is not for her. Islam demands submission. But she is not ready for it. She has a critical, skeptical, and an independent mind that raise questions, and demands answers. This goes against grain in the way of Islamic teaching. Women raised under Islamic culture are expected to be submissive. Education of girls is frowned upon by Muslims. They even target girls on their way to school with acid or bullets on the face. This lady has overcome many obstacles in her fight against discrimination, prejudice, inequality, sexism, perhaps even death threats.
@Em183 you are correct in that shouldn't force people, it's common sense which is why there is no compulsion in religion when it comes to Islam ... like i said before, there is nothing wrong with Questioning THEIR/YOURS "truth" ... everyone rather live i life they know is the truth, this is the safest generalization... wouldn't you like to know your parents, your degree, your memories, your religion are not fake? ... this is part of the sciences to question in order to get at the truth :-) ..
No, both Islam and Christianity (and all other fairy tales) need more competition from logic and reason.