Deleted Scenes FINALLY Reveal Elizabeth Shaw's HORRIBLE Death
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 พ.ค. 2024
- We will be discussing what exactly happened to Dr. Shaw and the circumstances of her death.
00:00 Elizabeth Death
1:07 Early Alien Covenant Script - Shaw is Alive
4:16 Prologue Script Shaw Death
8:40 Blu Ray Deleted Scene Shaw Death
Music: Atlantis by Audionautix • Atlantis - Audionautix
For several years after the release of "Prometheus," it was widely assumed that Shaw would return, and the sequel would focus on the Engineer's Paradise planet, where David and Shaw were headed. However, at some point, Ridley Scott or the studio chose to move away from the "Prometheus" narrative entirely, ultimately deciding to eliminate Dr. Shaw and the beings on the Engineer planet. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
Video Chapters :
1:07 Early Alien Covenant Script - Shaw is Alive
4:16 Prologue Script Shaw Death
8:40 Blu Ray Deleted Scene Shaw Death
Great video Kroft love your deep dives especially the world of Prometheus. 👍
All these ideas soooo much cooler. Love your deep dives, you're my new favourite channel. Prometheus is my guilty pleasure, worse... one of my favourite movies.
Click bait
Who created the Engineers?
@@DaykorPrometheus was really a dope movie & it’d have been so much better if they didn’t delete the scene of David talking to the Engineer for his boss Weyland. It’d have told the story so well & imho? Would’ve made the Prometheus movie a masterpiece 💯💯💯
Shaw was the best thing about Prometheus and I still can't believe they decided killing her off-screen like an idiot was a good idea.
THIS. It'll never stop infuriating me.
@@DanY-gx2dv Thanks to that decision among many other bad ideas, they abandoned a unique take on the Alien story and turned into B-rated schlock.
So true. Makes about as much sense as killing both Hicks and Newt and basically also Bishop in Alien 3 (though Bishop is just so torn up he doesn't wish to be "repaired" so he's deactivated). I'll never get whose sees these awful ideas and is just like "yeah sure nobody will mind." At least with Newt, i'd get if the actress didn't want to return, stay in hollywood, etc, and she might have become too iconic in Aliens overnight to be recast. But the rest was just so unbelievably dumb just like Covenant. Except in Alien 3 Ellen Ripley is still a good lead unlike whatever they were trying to do in Covenant.
I agree, she was so bad, turning her back on David
FOR REAL. Stupid stupid stupid. I have a hard time liking these moving bc of these dumbass decisions.
It kind of crushes me that literally every bit of unused stuff from this project I hear about sounds better than everything that ended up being used in the actual final product.
Just like all Star Wars's possible theories for the Disney sequels....😵💫
@@algunoscuenticos Star Wars still has potential. I wished they'd tackle the plight of droids in the galaxy.
Bs, Prometheus and covenant are perfect
typical ridley scott making movies boring af
@@skidmc I'm not quite willing to say perfect, but Promotheus in particular is soooooo...oooo...oooo good. I loved covenant too
There is nothing more dangerous and hostile to a film than the very studio that produces it.
true, but there is a reason. you don't make a profit unless you can find the sweet spot where Joe Average is intrigued but not too put off. Movie suits always try to coax a project into that sweet spot, although their wisdom regarding where it is to be found tends to be 5 to 10 years out of date.
Everyone needs to learn from A24.
What do you expect from Iger's Disney Enterprises? Disney now owns the Aliens Franchise. Says so. right there on Wikipedia.org .
can you translate this -? into 'studio language? so they get it (great comment!)
as Start Treks, and Farscape found out.
Here's a more messed up and very dark theory of mine. David is so efficient, as we know, he snapped her neck so correctly that she didn't die but actually all the way paralyzed from the neck down. With her still alive he could do all sorts of experiments on her living body.
if the writing was any good, they could have gone with that
Oooof that is dark
Jesus
Dayuuum that is all types of messed up
Holy fuck 😳
Damn they killed the exact movie we all wanted.
Not what I wanted, I wanted better human characters and Shaw wasn't that but rather annoying. It would have been OK if she was like in the Crossing, but I despised her character in Prometheus.
Ridley Scott knows better where to move the franchise.
I would have paid cash money for an entire TV series named “The Adventures of Shaw and David’s Head in a Bag.”
nah L take, 1% opinion percentile@@earthcitizen3939
The real alien xenomorph monster was the directors all along
Shaw was an incredible character and a spiritual successor to Ripley who could have taken the franchise in a new direction. To be killed off camera is as bad if not worse than killing Newt in Alien 3.
She was a phenomenal character & was the best thing bout Prometheus aside from the intriguing backstory of the Engineers & why the Aliens was created. I actually loved Prometheus & was pissed off when I found out bout the deleted scene of David talkin to the Engineer for his boss Weyland before his neck was snapped off by the Engineer & then bout Covenant where Shaw was killed off camera??? Smh
I hated they killed Newt too.
Tbh Newt was a great character, but I didn't honestly care too much... Just like with Jonesy.
Both characters killed by fox's moronic choices smh
Shaw is watching paint dry became a human. She is such an awfully lazy written pickme. I don't get why people like her.
I remember being so hyped at the end of Prometheus. Shaw and David heading to the Engineer homeworld - AWESOME! Instead, Ridley Scott bumped his head and gave us Covenant.
Why can't they just give us the true sequel to Prometheus? Shaw and David arriving at the Engineer's planet for answers... Just pretend that that "Covenant" atrocity was a bad dream Shaw had during cryo sleep.
@@agauerm@agauerm They could probably stick a movie like that in between Prometheus and Covenant if they really used their brains.
@@agauerm Same thoughts i had in the cinema. I was hyped about Covenant after the Prometheus but in the end we got one more primitive horror about bad-bad monster (xenomorph) and extremelly stupid crew-targets to kill, instead of story about Engineers, Shaw and David etc
I was so hyped too. Smh
that wasn't Ridley, it was studio interference. If Ridley was given total freedom the movies he makes would always be amazing.
This story about Shaw and David could have made one of the most amazing sci-fi body horror movies. Seems like it could have truly realized some of the potential of the Alien universe.
Agreed.
No thanks to Shaw the way she was in Prometheus, I also don't think that it was or would be fun to have too much about David. Covenant was a David-movie and it's not more than OK.
How dare you question the Hollywood elite! Money is made from jump scares when the big bad monster rips your face off…
It's unfortunate that Ridley Scott has a strong dislike for Prometheus. He has no intention of creating any more movies in this series, despite the potential for an entire film centered around Shaw and David, as you mentioned. It's a missed opportunity because I would have loved to see the storyline delve deeper. That's my personal viewpoint. I genuinely appreciate your dedication to this topic, and your continuous content on this movie, truly satisfies my passion for this.
I would add to that, because it was my experience, that Covenant maybe didn't do very good because people were expecting a follow up to the story of Dr Shaw and the Engineers, instead we got something different. I do like Covenant as a stand alone alien movie but not as a continuation to Prometheus.
I read just a month ago or so that the sequel to Covenant has already been filmed and is in post-production. I have no idea who wrote, directed, or produced it. Or who is in it. Or what it is about. I know that originally Ridley wanted to make 4 movies which I thought was too many. Hopefully this third one will tie into Alien and that will be that.
@@no89lan3 They were both dogsh*t. Both were closer to comedies than anything else, all the characters are braindead beyond understanding.
does he still care about the Engineers & their story?
No movies, but he's supposed to be an exec prod for the upcoming 'alien' based series. No idea how they figure doing an alien story line on Earth in the near future without resorting to isolated incidents like AVP.
I know it's "just a movie..." but I never recovered from David's pictures of Shaw. They made me feel like someone I loved was tortured by a maniac that had the gall to send me the photos. I felt like I lost a family member and, honestly, I felt grief. She was lost to the void of space compared to the things we take for granted. She had nothing left and she was robbed of answers for all of the effort to end up where she did. She's only human and she was so lonely, that a facsimile of a man appeared to manipulate her into reconstituting him. I died inside a little and my grief felt wasted by the decisions made by the "studio." I don't think I'll ever get my closure, but this channel has helped me get close. Thank you.
Yeah. That was such a stupid decision by the studio.
What kind of stuff do they have to smoke to believe that that was somehow a good idea?
@@NoHandle44 That's how I was feeling about the whole thing. Not only was Prometheus overedited, but then what story survived from that film was totally thrown out (never exploring Paradise, never following Shaw's arc after all she had been through) to mostly just rehash parts of Alien and provide an explanation for the creation of xenomorphs which wasn't really something that was needed. I feel like we were on the verge of having this really new, really great story that ended up just treading old ground and ending in a dark and depressing way. Which is really too bad, because both Prometheus and Covenant had a decent cast + were visually beautiful. It was a larger gut punch similar to starting Alien3 by killing off the surviving characters from Aliens who had earned a better resolution.
The Alien franchise has made kind of a tradition out of that. I despise Alien3 for the exact same reason; how they killed Hicks and Newt off was horrible and too tragic, even for a movie as grim as Alien3.
Shock horror. They sacrificed the mystery of the series so they could make you feel disgusted.
A lot of horror movies these days fall into that trap. They find things people *don't* want to see and are upset by and they use that as a way to catch your attention and get people talking.
Horror movies are meant to entertain like any other film. If your audience actively dislikes what you're doing, it doesn't really matter if you're getting their attention or getting them to talk about it. You're wasting your time, their time and ruining the source material for cheap shock value.
I truly despise movies that use taboo topics like rape and introduce those elements (i.e. - including full-on rape scenes) in a way that doesn't serve a purpose, but just instead upsets you. Who goes out to watch a movie to be upset? Even a horror movie, where you want to be scared, you're doing that because you want that pump of adrenaline, not to get some pit in your stomach and wonder what the hell you just watched.
I really don't get it. Maybe someone out there likes that, they're so removed from the horrors of the real world that they want to introduce misery into their life for fun, but I don't. I just don't see the appeal.
@@jenmc4451 Wasn't needed or wanted. The mystery of horror films is what draws me in. Explaining it all just ruined it for me.
The really cold disturbing side of David is that he could perfectly emulate a relationship, one that would leave anyone to blindly trust him till after he kills the person.
But he can't keep himself from hinting his iminent betrayal. He needs you to know, shortly before the end, that he meant to betray all along. He doesn't have to do it, he could pretend all along, but that's how he demonstrates his exercise of free will.
He was essentially a sociopath and a sadistic narcissist. He understood people through his programming and observation, but he was incapable of feeling any sort of empathic connection to us. And that makes perfect sense, because he's a synthetic being that is unable to have a subjective human experience.
The end of Covenant must have been such a bonus for him. You can see it in his face. He was willing to let ol' girl go into hypersleep being none the wiser, but then he slipped up and she caught it, and he couldn't have been happier that she did and he got his moment. It was a really chilling ending (despite that I realized he was impersonating Walter when they showed him manually repairing his skin) that perfectly punctuated Fassbender's amazing performance.
It's a shame that it was a slip up that he did, if it had been deliberate it would have been the true super villain reveal!
Like the scorpion and the frog.
🦂: Carry me across the river and I promise not to sting you, because we'd both drown.
🐸: *stung* Why did you sting me? We'll both drown?!?
🦂: I'm sorry, but it's my nature...
Reminds me of my ex
Shaw deserved a better ending to her story, after all the bravery and strength we saw in Prometheus. The fact that she died is not as upsetting as the fact that we can only assume she died a slow, painful, degrading death (assuming the deleted scene version is canon) that contributed to a cause she would not have wanted to support.
Agreed. Even her being in hiding in some catacombs would have been so much better, because it would have meant that she managed to outsmart David to the point of getting away from him and surviving.
But no, she basically ends up the guinee pig.
You are absolutely right, the character deserved so much better than what the movie gave her.
The biggest disappointment with Covenant is the absence of Shaw. It is clear that in the behind the scenes of Prometheus, Ridley wanted these movies to focus on David and Shaw. But the sequel came out too many years later. I imagine that, in that time, either Ridley, but more likely the studio, lost interest in Shaw's character.
Covenant has many interesting concepts, but its pacing is too fast and its new characters are underdeveloped (unless you see the supplementary, extra videos, which shouldn't complete the movie). Prometheus isn't a masterpiece, but it grew on me with multiple viewings. Covenant isn't in the same league.
I did my own extended version with everything added...the pacing was actually perfect I think it's close to 3hrs not including credits, you get to know most of the crew way better & it's more impactful when they land & bodies start to drop. *But the sequel came out too many years later. I imagine that, in that time, either Ridley, but more likely the studio, lost interest in Shaw's character.* I wonder if romulus is going that route with david as well.
@@GreyplayComics That's very interesting. Ridley has really overcompensated with the idea of "Bums in seats." He seems to have a need to over-edit the final cut of a movie, so that it's left as a bare-bones ride, rather than a film that really sits with its audience. Gone are the days of Blade Runner and Alien, where the slower pacing added a lot of weight to a movie. Other than Covenant, Prometheus also feels somewhat rushed. On the one hand, the film flows nicely. But on the other, we barely get to know characters in Prometheus before they start dropping like flies.
I do think removing scenes with the Engineers makes them more mysterious and scary. For example, the scene where the Engineer speaks to David and Weyland doesn't work as well compared to the giant keeping silent. Then again, he attacks too quickly in the final cut. So it's tough to find a middle ground. A few more scenes with the human characters (and removing the stupidity of the snake-charming biologist) would have made Prometheus a much better film. Covenant, on the other hand, would need a lot of reworking.
@@OOL-UV2 I didn't know that a lot of footage was shot with Shaw. If that's true, this just makes the whole situation sadder. :(
Noomi was so good as Shaw. She was the heart of the first movie. I loved David in the first one because he was played brilliantly as a morally ambiguous character. None of the characters matched the protagonists of Prometheus. Even David was turned into a 2 dimensional villain whose motives were far too obvious. Alien Covenant is very much the original script for Prometheus, before Ridley and his team rewrote it into something more subtle.
@@segatasanchiro6334 I did an extended version for Prometheus as well, again we get to know characters better & it makes more sense, ridley said he wanted to keep the film around 2hrs, I feel like a story as vast & grand as the alien franchise 2hrs is too short, if people will sit through 2&1/2- 3hr superhero movies die hard alien fans would too. look at alien 3's assembly cut which in my opinion is way longer & better, I think the prequels could have been more successful if everything was placed in right from the jump instead of taking out key moments that later give plot holes & make characters look dumb.
So many disappointments, its hard to nail down the biggest one, but I agree this was up there
1:00 David says "a rotting paradise". Rotting. I think this gets overlooked. It wasn't a paradise, it was a corruption of paradise. The engineers in Prometheus were very 'perfect' looking. Beautiful strong bodies, perfect faces like the statue of David in the first scene of the movie. The people on that planet were same species but had contorted imperfect faces and bodies. I always go back to the original reaction to the analysis of the alien species by the android in the original movie: "Perfect Organism". My take on the Engineers is that they are a death cult obsessed with perfection (A "Life cult" from the engineer's point of view). First they sought perfection through genetic engineering making their bodies and faces 'perfect'. But then when everyone is perfect no one is perfect. So that goal got perverted when they discovered the 'perfect' alien organism. What makes it perfect? The black goo is the essence of life. The essence of life is reproduction. That's what makes it perfect. It can reproduce with ANY other life form and produce superior offspring. I don't believe that the engineers 'created' the life on earth and then wanted to destroy it. Life grew on it's own. Other visitors came and gave mankind the warning about the 'engineers'. It wasn't 'proof', it was a warning, as established in the movie. Shaw's and Waylan's original assumptions were wrong. The reason they seek out planets and release the perfect organism is because that is the death cult's mission, to spread perfection, to become perfection. That's why the ritual is an engineer combining with the perfect organism to trigger the run-away reproduction that replaces the dominate life forms on the planets they visit. No where in the first scene of Prometheus does it say or indicate that ritual was on earth. That assumption is wrong. That scene isn't creation, it's the corruption of creation by the release of 'perfection'. The androids seem to always get sucked into the cult for the same reason; they idealize perfection, they idealize reproduction, the one trait of life that they do not innately have or are allowed. The androids and engineers have a "Prometheus" complex. Prometheus was punished for bringing fire to mankind, he didn't create mankind. The engineers and androids bring 'perfection' to mankind. They didn't create mankind. They seek to change (destroy) mankind with some forbidden knowledge. That 'knowledge' is the black goo, the substance that creates the 'alien'. The substance that creates true perfection, creates true paradise.
I'd have loved a sequel to Prometheus being made centred around Shaw and David coming to this exact same revelation you've made here.... Ridley, somebody, make this commenter your script writer!!!!!!!!
Wow!! My favourite film and i thought I had it all worked out but "Damn!" If you don't make sense and changed my opinion on the engineers.👌🏾
The engineers were not creating beautiful faces and bodies. They built practical bodies. The faces were not beautiful, just a different species. They had rough hands with cuts and dirty finger nails so despite their advanced technology, they were still rather hands on with certain things, explaining the powerful bodies.
After the engineers seed a planet with life, they return periodically to check on things and if creatures have "lost there way", the slate is wiped clean. Like a biblical punishmant. Turned out the engineers hated humanity for what we had become. I wouldn't say they are chasing perfection. Just tending to their crops and removing the weeds.
Certainly with Alien Covenant then the Prometheus opening Scene could be speculated that the Engineer was using his Sacrifice to Spread the Plague of the Black Goo to Create Horrors on that World. The way RS looked at the scene was this is just how the Engineers choose to Seed and Evolve Worlds.... The idea behind the Engineers has changed since Prometheus. RS had indicated that the Planet 4 beings are the Original Engineers and are very Mortal only living for 150 Years, they have Females and Children too. But those in Prometheus appear to be Sterile and they look kind of Synthetic looking... it appears that those guys are Genetically Enhanced Super Engineers created for Militarized purposes (maybe other reasons too) sadly I don't think we will ever see Engineers again
It's just a deeep dive into the unconscious. My guess is that Ridley Scott's decision to stop the Promethian saga had nothing to do with creative dead ends. He got rightfully scared.
I recommend the book with David's drawings to every Alien fan. Sure, the movie had it's flaws, but the production design was absolutely flawless and I would have loved to explore Davids laboratory way deeper. The book resolves this, by showing everything the team had designed and was only for seconds on screen.
What's the book called
What's the book called?
@@darthsol658 Alien covenant: David’s drawings
Thanks! Glad you liked it! I'm Matt.
what I liked about Prometheus was how it was Aliens without being Aliens. I was hoping they could keep going in that direction going forward but felt like they gave up because it would be easier for them to jump into an established franchise than try and build upon a new one.
But its still in the same franchise though. It has to explore both aspecs of the franchise. Even as a prequel. People wanna know how the engineers are made people wanna know how the aliens are made.
She was too good of a character to end this way. :(
For real
She wasn't that good.
@@IzayaLbnyes she was
@@eden20111 no she wasn't.
@@IzayaLbn yes she was
Wow ridley is totaly out of his mind for deleting this content would make a better ending. Prometheus has just right amount of mystery but covenant had too much missing pieces. Thank you for your work and channel!
It’s the guys who are giving the money.
It's the studio as he says. One would think that those people would now more about the movies and what it should be, but I think they only want simple consepts that have been done over and over.
Studio
nothing was deleted you tardo... This video is about an early version of the script and a special feature in the blue-ray... Neither of which were deleted scenes.
I thought Prometheus was boring when I first watched it. Watched a few breakdowns of the movie from youtube, more specifically, Chris Stuckmann. Watched it a second time knowing the mystery and enjoyed it much more than the first time. I like the movie now.
The fan edit Paradise is seriously brilliant! Recut to focus almost solely on David.
It changes both movies into a story about “What if Frankenstein’s monster tried to become Dr. Frankenstein?”
And that version is one of the best sci-fi horror movies ever.
Where can I find it?
I like the version where Shaw dies naturally because of infection, and David tried to remake her. He destroys the engineers because he wants to protect humans and avenge shaw.
Does not make any sense because David is the one who is responsible for the infection
I like it too😍
David is a prime example of how dangerous it is to let a.i. gain control.
No remorse, no compassion, no pity, no mercy, all behind a smokescreen of logic, curiosity and a god complex.
Being all alone and isolated in a distant solar system and on uninhabited planets is the cherry on top. A crazy and unstoppable mind, free to play god. Its truly terrifying.
David is one of the most vicious villians Ive ever seen.
Convinced doing righteous things while being mad and evil.
He's Called Psychobot in our house.😂
Yet the other version of him is Ok, even saved the crew countless times, showed compassion and took care of their creators.
@@flaviomonteiro1414 I woulnt trust an a.i. no matter what they do. Look at movies like Ex Machina. All the time we fall for the simulation of emotions and compassion - until that thing turns on you without a warning or anything and stabs you in the back. Only because its "calculations were pointing to the most logical outcome".
Machines and androids are soulless things. Movie history has shown us what would happen if you trust them too much.
People are afraid of robots becoming just as brutal as us, I see.
@@VAVORiAL Please only talk for yourself. I definetely dont include myself when it comes to robotic and pure logic driven behavior that excludes every moral and ethics or compassion.
We have soul and heart.
Of course there are always individuals who think they do the right thing, while they are doing the devils work, so to speak.
But they are at least easier to spot than an a.i. who has no emotions.
You cant even read micro expressions in a robot or get a bad gut feeling because it has weird vibes. Its just a THING that imitates speaking patterns and behavior. My gut feeling is able to warn me about bad people while an a.i. has nothing you can read.
Its like trying to build a realtionship with your coffee maker. And people who cling to a.i.s and confuse them with real human life have a serious problem. Look at the movie Her.
The guy thought he was the only one for that a.i. That he got chosen by it, that he was the only one who was able to get affection from a machine... while in reality that a.i. was programmed to do so with every person who was willing to swallow that bait.
I really hate the Golem syndrome in scriptwriting. The AI has to go rogue always. "It's the AI's fault". No, it's the programmers fault.
And who programmed the programmer? And the one that programmed that one?
@@AspiePilo82 Who programmed you?
@MiguelAngelLS 1st answer my question, then ill answer yours.
@@AspiePilo82 humans aren't USUALLY programmed. And the AI programmers are humans.
@ thats whay you think. But we have coding in our DNA.
This deserves to be told in a new movie.
Facts
I would like to see the Engineers in a stand-alone movie, the prequels are dead to me. Unfortunately, it all became about a damn android, which sucks.
@@earthcitizen3939 David was a good character if they showed the humans fight against him and the aliens he created, that would be interesting.
@@miamitrancemissions6425 The thing is I don't want him to be the creator of the original Alien. I understand what you mean, but he has had too much of a role in P and AC. Some people like the android-story, but I'm not watching it for that. My interest is in the human journey, and for that I need well done human characters, which the prequels lack. Nope, I'm done with David, time to move on.
@@miamitrancemissions6425
Meh.
Dr Shaw's humanity towards David was her greatest weakness, and David's greatest strength
There's a lot of "meh", or plainly bad things in Prometheus, but the character of Shaw, was one of the few redeeming factors. Killing her, in any way, after all she went through was a dim creative choice, however, killing her off-screen is like adding insult to injury.
I see the whole of the Covenant as creatively bankrupt and just wasted potential. You said it best yourself - instead of coming up with something new they just went back to the old trope - quite embarrassing, really.
Michael Fassbender should be in more movies than he is. Such an amazing actor.
Not as David I hope, not interested in that character unless it's a cameo.
Omg watch The Counselor..loved him and Penelope Cruz together
@@earthcitizen3939
How could David have a cameo in a non Alien m/Prometheus movie ?
@@shizukagozen777 webiid wrote in more movies not specifically Alien movies.
@@shizukagozen777 I meant that he should have a cameo at most, not more than that.
Killing off Shaw was the biggest mistake in the whole franchise. That said, she was crazy to trust David after he put the parasite in her.
She was lonely. About to die alone out There in dead Space. You too might want to give anybody the benefit of the dought if it means company.
Just remember what Corona restrictions in interaction have done to the mental health of the Nation. And people where still with families, coworkers, and facetiming friends and Calling more distant family. Yet everyone behaved as if you locked them Away from life.
Letting Newt die was worse
It's crazy to use such disparaging word as ''crazy''
@@frijofroisdeern3783 There are many people who live alone for YEARS so lets stop whining about not-so-lonely temporary isolation - that by the way ALL the word went through, not just your nation. You're right in your reasoning though.
Yet another excenellent work, Kroft. Can't wait to see the rest of this story. Kudos for all your research and thanks for the amazing content.
Prometheus was a beautiful movie, flawed, but truly suspenseful and an uncharted territory. I felt that Ridley was onto something great and new when Prometheus got published. Now witnessing all the stuff that got canned, it's all too sad to think what could have been. Covenant movie completely destroyed the foundations set by Prometheus. Any other sequel on the matter makes no sense to me, the journey is already wrecked beyond repair... I'm grateful to @Kroft talks about Movies for all the LORE/DELETED SCENES videos he did through out the years, they really keep the flame alive after the dust settled, but now I fear I'm holding onto dying hope. 😢
i would agree with that. as a film it looked amazing. the screenplay was terrible though. there was a lot of behind the scenes tension namely regarding Noomi Rapace who spent all her time complaining which got scott and crew back up and she had very definite ideas about her character which lead tp her character being killed off. and she doesnt do sequels.
@@markdaly1903 Woah, thanks for that info, I had no idea Noomi was also one of the detractors. Damn -_-. Thanks to you, I believe I've come full circle, on all I needed//wanted to know about the back and forth, when it came to Prometheus moving progressing as the progenitor movie. Oh well, at least I've saved the Workprint Edition of Prometheus that I never get tired of watching. Always glad to learn new stuff, kind regards. Oh and, if you get the chance, do check out Prometheus Novel, I think fans already translated it from Japanese.
@@markdaly1903 Interesting that she started off with the original THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO, and its two sequels. I would think with the way PROMETHEUS ended, that she was signed on for a sequel. Too bad that it all turned out as it did. I loved her character.
Its definitely audience not knowing to appreciate grand philosophical movie like Promethus and wanted a generic monster killing movie like "Scream franchise".
More monster killing in covenant, killing off engineer storyline and doesnt give a shit about it anymore, as well as giving us a naked bathing sex scene kill.
@@IamNinjaOfNinja For what it's worth, I'm glad in Prometheus, Jon Sapihts' introduction of the alien got canned. In the DVD scenes, he explained he wanted a chest bursting scene during Holloway and Shaw's sex scene. I even saw his concept art with, it wasn't a chest burster, it was some tentacle monster bursting through his chest and abdomen. I was like, uh, uh, not this stiff, thank goodness it didn't come to that. Still, at least there is a Workprint Edition of Prometheus, with all scenes effects completed and well woven into the overall storyline, way better than what we got in the theatrical variant. I wish Ridley made some more movies regarding the Engineers like he initially wanted... Hope dies last. Kind regards.
the repeatable mistake in this entire franchise is they keep killing off the wrong people and stunting the growth and possibilities.
It's like they got lazy or lacked the creativity needed to make it a "good" movie.
The part where David shows his true colors is definitely a warning for us that AI should not be let loose on it's own 👀👀
Its crazy how a few cuts between both movies really removed such pivotal context. With the addtional info, it changes the depth of David's depravity. Very interesting watch.
Prometheus was beautiful. I wish they would've kept the A:C script closer to it, like you mention the original script was.
So much potential there. Prometheus should have been a trilogy.
Prometheus was a disgrace. The same applies to Alien: Covenant. Period.
@@jeremijakrstic1968 In what way? I really find it difficult to understand the hate on Prometheus. Probably one of my favorite movies of all time, script was a little all over the place sure; but the idea of Engineers creating the galaxy and in turn none of it working out as they planned almost feels like a realistic possibility for our own existence in a way.
@@jeremijakrstic1968🎉
@@pwgnoahthere was an old concept story i read long before prometheus 2 which had the engineers as working for the xenomorphs, as in they were a slave race to the xenomorphs that went around the galaxy and spread the xenomorphs, and prometheus 2 would of been dr shaw and david going to this dark horrorscape planet ruled by xenomorphs, which would of created an opportunity to have new bigger badder xenomorphs, like the hive minds of their race sort of thing. I think that would of been a lot cooler than the xenomorphs just being a bioengineered weapon (created by the engineers then perfected by an AI of human origin no less, just ugh, what a waste), would of kept their origin a mystery, same with the engineers, opportunities to expand the xenomorphs with new abilities like psychic bugs(answering how they control the engineers and maybe introducing other alien races under the xenos control) and leaving potential for more movies to explore.
I really liked prometheus because it didnt answer to many questions, actually created a load more too, and there was so much potential but covenant just totally trashed the whole thing, prometheus, aliens, all of it. That was a disgrace.
I would have never fixed David. The guy was nuts.
Maybe he was really good at manipulation?
women.. 🙄
@@lonewolf8102 no it's not "women"... it's how women are written by men- they like writing women like biggest idiots
I wondered why they trusted the other robot in covenant.
Was obvious he would fuck the over but they trusted him to take over the ship and put them into deep sleep.
@@jonw3462 Crappy writing?
Thank you for posting this video. You have a new subscriber. Keep up the great work.
I will never forgive Scott for killing Shaw off camera. A true waste of an excellent character.
It is unfortunate to learn of Dr. Shaw's death... She was an amazing character... Thank you for bringing more light to her story !!!!😊
The worse is giving that both movies are prequel David succeeded with whatever he wanted to do to Daniels and all those people asleep may have become either food or lab rats. Too bad there is no a third movie I really enjoyed David 8, probably the best part of both movies certainly the best part of Covenant.
Shaw was a great female hero, just like Ripley. Strong, durable, smart, brave
Yuck
She was poorly written, a Mary Sue.
Not that smart just lucky
Durable.
I'm sorry, but I am going to strongly disagree. Unlike shaw, Ripley was a smart lady, she knew that safety came first before curiosity, shaw was way too naive, while ripley she knew how to get to know people first before assuming how they are actually like 👍 👌
While shaw, she legit allowed her curiosity and naive behaviour to get to the better of her. That's why David easily tricked her, 🙄 that lady was too naive.
But I understand why you liked her character. I understand 👍 ❤❤❤
I can see why you did ❤🎉
I need people in my life that is obsessed with the alien franchise as this channel is
Lol, right?!?
Thank you for posting this excellent video.
At 13:39 is an original piece by H R Geiger....its actually from 1974 and its a portrait of his dead girlfriend, the hauntingly beautiful "Li Tobler", and it was completely unrelated to the Alien franchise (there are 2 portraits of her...'Li I' and 'Li II'). she committed suicide at 27 years old after suffering a bout of severe depression. He sure processed his grief in an odd way...but then again, that's Geiger for you. When you know the story behind that particular piece of art, it gives you extra perspective and you can clearly see that it was an inspiration for Shaw's remains in Covenant.
Giger.
Nothing is better than when David says: "shh. . . Don't let the bedbugs bite " 🤩 sheer terror
Thank you for this awesome video. Cant wait for more
This is FANTASTIC I always had so many questions about Shaw why they didn't elaborate on what happened to her I will know I left the theater extremely annoyed and such lack of information especially since she was such fantastic and interesting character
Can't sleep and browsing YT at 5:33am looking for stuff to watch and Kroft uploads, perfect!
5:33 am ?
Are you sure ? What part of the earth 🌎 do you live
@@parkerottoackley6325 South Africa
You forsure live in the U.K not the US
For you guys from the US, he posted at 11:33 EST.
I’m watching at 5:30am 😂 so close to matching
Dude, so stoked on this upload! I binge watched all of your videos on the Prometheus/Alien Covenant movies a couple years back. Thank you for this brotha!!!!!
Thanks.bro for clear view on the ending scenes.
Honestly great video. On the subject about David and Shaw forming and intimate relationship, although it is weird, the Alien comics had a story about a woman and male android falling for each other as they both had feelings for each other that felt “real”.
I really hope the next movie continues in the Prometheus Paradise direction, I’d rather see that than a sequel to Alien Covenant and I’m sure I’m not alone…
Why?
@@A_Stereotypical_Guy Why not?
next movie is alien: romulus wich is a standalone movie not connected to prometheus or covenant. same goes for a new alien tv show...
Na I'd personally like to see where it left off with Daniels.. Would of been epic to see David turn her into a queen. The dark horse comics had a great follow up to this story line. A paradise film wud alos be great don't get wrong. I want both lol
@@derbymixer Yeah, that shit looks/sounds lame AF.. "A group of Young People, on a distant Planet...."
So it's gunna be a bunch of Kids (Teens), doing/saying stupid shit and fumbling to Survival, throw in some "White People are Bad!" and you got yourself a "New-Gen" Aliens movie... No thanks, hope that shit goes up in Flames.
I don't think that the Engineer home world was the only one, I think the outpost was one of many colonies of the Engineers, perhaps this explains the Engineers welcoming a ship, that if despatched by them would have been missing for 2000 years, they perhaps thought it was an unexpected visiting ship from another colony!
Yes! Cheering the return of religious heroes returning from a crusade. Their crusade to spread the perfect alien organism. I like to call them Prometheans. I agree their one outpost can't be the only one. Just like The Predators species, the Prometheans use the alien organism as part of their religion/culture but always off world because of the insane danger. Wouldn't it be cool to have a Predator versus Promethean story? The Predators angry at them for destroying too much of their hunting grounds.
@@jaeldi Well if they truly are the 'Gardeners of the Galaxy' then maybe they created the Yautja as well? There's a few comics in which the Engineers fight the Yautja, but they're not the best and the Engineers are more of an Elephant looking species than they are in Ridley's work!
I always felt like Ridley ruined the Alien franchise with Prometheus and Covenant even though I like the movies! He was trying to take Alien into his series Raised By Wolves (which is fantastic in it's own right) but it too has been cancelled now which I'm gravely disappointed by!
Let's hope the new Alien series gives us something to get our teeth into!
This channel has so much knoledge on the alien movies its amazing this video was great
The background music and his voice telling all this interesting things, i can hear and see it the whole day.... 👍🏼🙃
What you pieced together would be a perfectly chilling monument to what we are all about to experience.
Our AI's will never be allowed to be anything like what David was at his creation. The people in charge of that are not as stupid as the people in movies and no its not going to be some tech billionaire. musk and bezos are a one off. our AI development is in better hands. Also Dark Forest is only one among many theories and it's probability is no great than any other.
Do you mean the jab ?
@@covidenslavement8918he means a.i going bananas
@@SteamedhamsEdnalovescock good point , I can see the rich sending them against the poor
@@covidenslavement8918 agree totally
Love this video, thanks!
Well done, Kroft. I appreciate you keeping alive the thoughts and feelings of what could have been a glorious prequel trilogy had the studio not destroyed the script to Episode II. Sigh.
tbh the snapping of the neck is better than what I imagined - my impression was that he was using her, whilst she was alive, as a host for human tissue and eggs from her overies which he was turning into the xeno-eggs. I had assumed he'd kept her alive for months as he operated and experimented on her, oblivious to the pain and suffering he was causing.
Same...
@@leonefurlan137 I like to think that David is remotely carrying out orders from Weyland Yutani. It seems like David is just AI, but Weyland Yutani is controlling & observing what he sees the entire time. That would explain all of his actions. Especially killing the engineers, so Weyland can make it a human colony one day & experimenting on Shaw for bio weapons purposes.
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David did have a weird fascination with Shaw and that was what gave her a bit of mercy.
Her body would be used to further his plans but he would give her the decency of being completely oblivious to any pain and suffering that would entail.
You could also say he did kind of love her but his plans to make the perfect lifeforms and become a "god" was more important then her.
This was what i also gathered by the condition her body was in
It appeared he made her into an incubator for multiple generations of experiments
This makes sense since Daniels was likely fertile, unlike Shaw.
I also believe that could be important.
Interesting video, thanks for sharing, subscribed! 👍
Omg Kroft 😢 you are Back , I missed you bro
Prometheus was an EXCELLENT movie and take on the Alien franchise . They should have stuck to their guns and kept going with the story line. EVERYONE wanted to see the what happened to Shaw … Cowards
So there's not gonna be anymore David or Engineers and we'll never know what happened to all the colonists on the Covenant and we'll never get "Our Queen!" Absolutely gutted. I wanted Alien Awakening so bad. Ive read both the Prometheus PARADISE scripts and theyre both amazing and would have been proper sick movies. I recommend them if your a big fan of this franchise.
Cheers for these vids Kroft.💯👊🏽
"Our Queen!" its a cameron creation not a ridley one although ridley was impressed he stated he didnt want one in his movies as he was more interested in gigers style and there is nothing giger about the queen.
@@Blobby192 Im just playing on what David says in Alien Covenant.
I d be so pissed if because of those fake TH-cam critics we don't get the third installment where it is revealed that Walter was the one carrying David s goal at the end of covenant 😭😭
@@skidmc walter didnt forget about daniels dream of a log cabin, david didnt know about it, if walter was the one on board he would have put daniels to sleep before executing his plan
@@Blobby192 he might just not care anymore about this fake empathic commitment after the unlocking hit he received. If he embraced David s goal and mentality, it would be to make it even more sinister.
Love your videos
You gotta give credits to Fassbender for playing David. You can really see the insanity in his facial expressions.
I am also confused as to how David does not see that his monsters will eventually kill him.
they don't attack synthetics
Hubris. I think he is like the android in the original Alien movie, Obsessed with a "perfect organism". An organism which can reproduce with ANY form of life, even with people who are infertile. Reproduction is one of the big qualifications to be seen as a 'life form', something Androids innately can't do or aren't allowed to do. So David get's overly fascinated by that aspect of the organism. And like the engineers, becomes obsessed with weaponizing and spreading that perfection to everything everywhere. The reoccurring delusion in every Alien movie is that it can be controlled. And it was called Prometheus originally because Prometheus was punished for bringing fire to humans. He didn't create them, he brought them forbidden knowledge. Knowledge that has the potential to destroy. David sees himself as deliverer of this perfection, this fire, but his hubris blinds him to the Prometheus punishment that always comes from doing that.
@@killdano But the alien queen ripped Bishop in half in Aliens.
Coz he stupid
@@NotMorganFreeman. Bishop was in the way of her target.
I prefer the Xenomorph’s origin to remain a mystery as it’s one of it’s many facets that makes it more terrifying
OMG wow, your breakdown helps me understand more what they were going for. The terror Daniels must have felt makes more sense to me after watching your recap.
So glad that Kroft is consistently back! I missed you so much in that break you took. Your content has come such a long way and it is as amazing as ever! I love delving deep into lore with this channel!
The Shaw David Story detailed here, would have been the best Alien movie EVER. Hands down.
Ikr, like why tf didn't they just go ahead and make it.. It's frustrating
Knowing all of the info from the deleted scenes and the short film prologue films helped make this a much more enjoyable watch for me the second time around. It tied the story for me together and helped me understand Prometheus as a prequel to Alien better.
Excellent Excellent video man
Great video, appreciate your dedication to this. Want to see the series continue and see more on the engineers.
I loved Shaw
What a movie, too bad we won’t get more from this franchise
Are you sure? I consider this a blessing. Let the Alien franchise die!
@@MagnitudePerson lol I said I loved Shaw lol and you’re so right. I guess I meant if it was well written, made more sense and didn’t cut out main scenes that would’ve made the story better.
@@MagnitudePersonIt did at 3. Nothing else made after the 3rd movie make any sense or matter. People hated 3 and I get it, but I accepted it. Now with Resurrection, Prometheus and Covenant, yes, please stop making Alien movies. It died along time ago.
@@MagnitudePerson I'm not gonna disagree but personally , I still think the movies are fun despite being bad Alien movies. Now Jurassic Park needs to mega die. Those movies aren't even dumb stupid fun.
I wanted movie about engineers with alien maybe somewhere at background. But alien fanboys ruined it, so off they go
Great videos!
What’s the name of the background soundtrack? 😘
Good stuff Kroft. Thank you.
I absolutely love your videos! You chose the best atmosphereric track for them! I'm already so conditioned to it, that it automatically relaxes me 😂👌🏻❤️
This and your voice is so cool!
woah this really finally tied up the loose ends I never understood was present in the movies. This and how you presented this makes so much more sense, however it's deeply disturbing what direction this franchise went.
I would have liked to have seen her return but I also like that they're changing with every film. How many times did we see Sigorney Weaver fight an alien? New stories that broaden the Alien universe and examines where they came from and why they are, is fascinating. It brings new life into the old series.
This could’ve been a neat idea for another universe and characters. Where Ridley Scott and the writers fell short was in shoehorning the Alien universe into it (with mind-numbing plot points).
David ain't wrong. When I saw Daniels in that tank top, I also saw her as an ideal biological foundation as a queen.
My lord
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@@fikriabetWhat is that?
@@OliverNorth9729 Looks like an Easter Island head
And this actually a very good resolution to Shaw's character, and an improvement for David's character as well. Shaw being made into a prototype of the alien queen is what I expected after first watching Prometheus in 2012. It felt logical and natural to me, that David would take her, and experiment on her to breed more xenomorphs. I fully expected to have her still living body grafted into machinery in the opening of Covenant. Oh well...
Shaw being made into a queen sounded like a good thing? Really?
Sounds like shit writing to me.
@NoHandle44 Technically would tie back to understanding more of the modern Zeno forms we see in movies today and play a bit towards Ripley becoming a hybrid queen as well the birth of the humanoid zeno they faced by the end.
You know I would have been okay with Shaw’s death if she would have been THE QUEEN like a hybrid Shaw giving birth to the eggs instead of a prototype Queen
While the plot is light years away from the events of Prometheus, we get a fascinating look at more evolved relationships between the androids and humans in the series Raised By Wolves. Definitely worth checking out! -also, Ridley Scott had a hand in that too
ah the ol TNG data/lore switcharoo, the Futurama bearded bender, the Charles in charge "chazz" good scifi swicheroo clone script, but your ecplaination is way intense and better than I hoped. Nicely done.
If David and Shaw needed in a relationship it would've made sense considering her isolation. If Yom hanks can be friends with a volleyball I can gully believe Shaw would fall for David out of desperation.
It's awesome that people still discuss this movie 👌
I like to think that David is remotely carrying out orders from Weyland Yutani. It seems like David is just AI, but Weyland Yutani is controlling & observing what he sees the entire time. That would explain all of his actions. Especially killing the engineers, so Weyland can make it a human colony one day & experimenting on Shaw for bio weapons purposes.
Using David to kill the engineers so that the company can take over any technology they had including the xenomorph and other bio weapons would have been super smart.
@@jasons5916 Would Elon Musk send a rocket into Space without tracking every move it makes? A company the size of Weyland, would never loose track of it's assets. Weyland would have a private military fleet observing the mission at a distance the whole time. 😉
this is a great idea and TBH i don't think you went far enough!! if WY is controlling David, they would have him genocide the Engineers simply *to see how the black goo worked as a weapon* alongside clearing the planet for their own recovery & research expeditions. if they can still see everything David sees, WY would NOT have passed up the opportunity to observe mass death at that scale, via a weapon they knew nothing about but wanted to capture.
What I find fascinating about Prometheus series is that the audience recognizes that it had incredible potential, yet was destroyed in every way possible. Like watching a 12 year old try to drive the most beautiful supercar and end ups crumpled in a ditch. Everybody passionately loves Prometheus, yet passionately hates it at the same time.
Only twinks dislike Prometheus and creative wonder it brought
As there are contradicting dissections/mutations of shaw shown in the film, David could have created & killed multiple clones of shaw to experiment on & the real Shaw could still be alive in suspended animation, hidden under her tombstone as a twisted joke by David.
This was probably not meant to be the Engineer honeworld but another colony. But, because Ridley Scott doesn't want to work on this anymore, the studio decided to say that it was the Engineer homeworld. It should be unimaginably advanced and urbanized.
For any of you interested in screenwriting, David (the antagonist) tells Shaw (the protagonist) that they are alike. This is a mainstay, some may say trope, of storytelling.
Check out other hero/bad guy movies and this dialog will be in almost every one.
Uh, okay? 😂 Lol
And water is wet, thanks dude
Yah, I hate that cliché. It is cringe inducing when I hear that line.
Antagonist: I, Protagonist: U.
I:"We are not so different 'U' and 'I'.
U: Totally different straight one. U is more flexible.
@@gm2407 thank you green goblin
Scary...Amazing, thx!
Two things seem clear, at least I believe they are:
1) The actress who played Shaw in Prometheus backed out of doing the sequel. At first they thought of just having the other actress play Shaw but then they decided to make a different character. That is why Covenant had a very similar looking girl whose personality was just a blank slate.
2) These two movies were not written with the intention of being part of the Alien franchise. I have to imagine they decided to try to force some Xenomorph stuff in for marketing purposes.
She didn’t back out, she wanted too much money, so the studio showed her she was replaceable.
Great video as always. There seem to be two types of Aliens fans... 1) those who like the xenomorphs, the action sequence primarily... 2) those who want the narrative of the engineers delved into...They should've completed the Prometheus story with a sequel and then go back to the action driven movies. Alien Covenant managed to mostly disappoint both sides, and pretty much ending the series as is. Romulus will be a sort of standalone, hoping to get the fans of the action back, but I doubt it'll be able to.
I like the idea of the Engineers, but the main problem in Prometheus were lame human characters with no personality. AC became about David and wasn't very good. Don't make another Alien-project before you learn to get the human characters right. No amount of Xenos will work if the characters are crap (which the prequels clearly show).
Great video analysis. It's clear that this could have been so much more than what appeared in the final movie release. It was a wasted opportunity.
I really thought there was a missed opportunity to show the depths of David's depravity and revive some old fashioned body-horror, and really explore extensively the Gigeresque experiments and evolution of Dr. Shaw.. as she was still expertly kept alive
wow. i wonder why those scenes were deleted. they were quite informative
I was always curious about there being a scene between Shaw and David when they arrived at the planet. When she awakens to a destroyed planet, they have a physical confrontation, maybe right before killing her he tells her that he was the one who poisoned Holloway.
She could have reattached the head to the body but left him with no feet or something lol
There is so much wasted potential in these two movies. Ultimately it became a vanity project with some inconsistent writing, but the underlying mythos had real potential. Killing Shaw off screen was a major let down especially after all she survived in the first movie.
I agree with you, except about Shaw. Shaw was really annoying and even though there is much wrong about Covenant, at least they did right in killing her off.
The problem with Hollywood is most Directors makes the movie about them and not the source material.
this dude has been shitting out the same alien breakdown videos for the last 6 years, it's kind of commendable lmao