Trash taste during their anime episode: *insulting each other’s taste in anime* Trash taste when talking about doujins: *complimenting and agreeing each other on their taste*
I mean is a is something in a comic format really a book? The way you read them is too different, so it's more like he added 0.5× to his reipitorie of words he has looked at.
@@Paradox1012 Book - Noun "a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers." I guess if the doujins Connor read were physical copies then it'd count as him reading books but by definition it looks like Connor didn't read any books.
for the situation of mom's blaming their daughters for fathers being abusive: you'd be surprised how common it is for moms to do this. it was certainly the case for my mom, my grandmother blamed my mom for her abuse at the hands of my grandfather.
abuse run in the family. is common that the parents abuse their children because they also were abused when they were kids. you see them alot in 3rd world countries too.
It’s the same reason way most parents love their spouse far more then their children and abusers see it as I chose my wife/husband and the kid showed up. It’s really fucked but you see it a lot especially if a kid says something bad to his mom the dad will not hesitate to threaten the kid as if he isn’t his damn son.
Yeah, it happens a lot actually. It takes only the tiniest bit of toxicity for a woman to be blamed for having a victim complex or something when she gets that kind of abuse. It’s easier to say she’s lying or it’s her fault than accept that someone you love has hurt your daughter
Yea i was gonna say, connor is naive and he’s our monkey boy, love him. but ive heard from female friends and partners the fucked up shit thats happened to them, so yea not that much fiction as connor thinks.
Connor, you would be surprised at how many mothers who blame their daughters for being sexually assaulted by their fathers. It’s a common thing for mothers to either not believe or blame the kids, because they don’t want to believe that their partner is a terrible person. It’s really sad
Yeah that’s so true it’s like you would believe your mother would believe that something like that happened because you and your mother are both females so you would think that you would have a common fear but that’s not all true.
i was watching a Russian dub version of a podcast and literally stopped and went to the original one to write the same comment and to watch if someone did it already, thank u
I'm was a little surprised hearing such vocal disbelief. Then again, if you don't come across it, it might seem unrealistic. It's way too common really.
When connor asked how they found the 200 page ones and i said instinctively 'cuz those are the best ones' in my head, only to hear joey and garnt say the same thing, i fuckin busted out laughing
Now that Joey and Garnt have recommended Connor doujins, I want a trash taste episode where Connor recommends BL to Joey and Garnt and they review them.
About metamorphosis, as someone who has worked in Osaka clubs for 15 years and been everyone in namba’s midnight therapist. Every single situation with that girl in the doujin is not only possible, it’s extremely common, sex with dad when he’s drunk and down, mom blaming the daughter, group of guys ion highschool blackmailing a girl for sex by catching her doing hotel runs, literally everything in that happens a lot in Japan
@@nitrox4400 Did you not the first part of the post??? They literally said where they heard all of this... from actual people who came into where they worked? Reading comprehension... please.
@@aphelion4616I've worked in Osaka Clubs for 20 years and everything they said is wrong... Disprove what I said😂😂 Anyone can make up any anecdotal bs they want "hurr durr, I saw it trust me bro" isn't proof. Please look up the definition of proof and get your reading comprehension up😭👍
@@nitrox4400 being one of the safest countries doesn't mean it doesn't have one or two problematic families. I'm sure something like that does exists in Japan. Whether is it really common or very rare, we don't exactly know.
No cap, it's actually a cool shirt too. I would totally wear it in public were it not for the fact that it would create some really socially awkward situations for me.
Wait, this shirt of garnt which i always admire is actually from Sydney?! And there is a sydsnap merch shop? Can't find a link anywhere on her twitter or youtube :(
@@thepuddingking5204 because the manga has excellent worldbuilding and character development, and delves into themes that are generally untouched by most romcom manga/anime. Only the final 10 chaps are shit imo
@@thepuddingking5204 I love domekano, and i can tell you that what makes It excellent is the fact that It is so bad and unpredictable that you can't stop reading It xD
@@sericsson1996 it was actually "start" on Twitter but yeah I see ur point. But damn it what's the difference between this and Garnt not watching FMA:B
I’m glad Connor and the bois had such wholesome childhoods that none of them know a girl who got blamed for her own molestation. Sadly, most kids I know of who got abused, sexually or physically, were blamed instead of the abuser.
@alyssa L I don’t understand how nh*ntai doesn’t have a vanilla tag. There is a clear and vocal demand for it and yet, here we are, digging through a massive pile of literature not to our taste.
@@goobermagoob9160 Yeah like, they have a loli tag but not vanilla, the only way i have to find it is with the tomboy tag, which i don´t mind because a love tomboys to dead, but we need a specific tag for vanilla.
About the fact that stuff like the story in Metamorphosis happening in real life, I was talking about hentai and doujin with a lady friend who never heard of it. She went to read it while on discord together and I was just farming in a MMO, waiting for her reaction. And then she starts talking, I feel that something isn't right. She was very cold about it and said that it's good that this kind of story exists because... she actually went through something similar, especially the "drugs and sold around for sex part" and "family makes things worse". She didn't go too far into details and I didn't ask. The guy of that time is now in prison and she lives in another country to keep distance from her family. I never felt worse about recommending anything to anyone.
Shit.... I didn't know this doujinshi was realistic in a few lot of ways... I'll keep in mind to not give to anyone but the bois for their reactions, or not.
It depends of what eroge we're talking about, Nukige's that are basic your usual hentai in VN form, the "standard" eroge that is just a romance manga with not just one girl win and sex actually happens or the animes that just have so little sex scenes with no much reason that you don't even know if you should call that a eroge like Fate. I feel that is more easier to make Connor read a short nukige, like a hentai you can grasp the quality of the h-scenes and plot, the rest of nukiges or eroges are too big to Connor read it without being a masterpiece.
I think Connor, in regards to Metamorphosis, underestimates just how real that journey actually is. That's a large part of why it's so fucked up. One of my childhood friends had a journey almost mirroring Metamorphosis, so I never thought it felt 'forced' or unrealistic in any way, because I've literally seen it happen with my own two eyes.
@@chunito And maybe they did get help but no one believed them or it led to their friend being put in danger. There's a lot of possibilities so don't assume what someone did or didn't do in a situation like this.
Then they genuinely shouldn’t be allowed to be parents, any parents who blame their children for something they didn’t start or have control of are scum imo
@@crimsonshock2764 You should really try on their shoes. You're in pressuring stress, the one you love, you've spent years with together, just commited an act that you can't accept he'd do, so you instead blame someone else to cope for it. It's really hard to try and be rational under moments as extreme as such. Don't make the same mistake they did, and think rationally about things before forming a conclusion.
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 If that was the case then there wouldn't be any mothers who abuse their kids. Seeing women as being who inherently having a maternal instinct just because they gave birth to a human is weird because it really borders on the belief that all women want or should be a mother when that's not the case and no one gets more parental instincts just because they have a kid.
Regarding the metamorphosis discussion, sadly in a lot of instances where daughters get sexually abused by their mothers partners, the mother will blame her for seducing the man and stick by him. That was a depressingly realistic part of the doujin
@@LukSter18998I mean my brother’s ex was r-ed by her father when she was 10 and when her moths found out she didn’t believe her and sided with her father. It wasn’t until her father disappeared after attempting it again that her mother actually believed her.
Connor pressing "X" to doubt the reality where a mother blames her daughter for "seducing" the father speaks volumes about how innocent he is as a person.
Honestly... When her mom kicked her out that's when I knew that it was the point of no return. This girl went from being naive and powerless to also homeless. Also, as a woman, reading metamorphosis actually repulsed me from sex for a good couple of days. And I was dating someone at that time so I really didn't want to explain that whole thing.
I know right, I was immediately thinking "no I very much can imagine this scenario happening" in regards to the mom. There are examples where a man will abandon his wife and kid while the kid is still like a toddler and the mother might blame the kid for it even though they did absolutely nothing, it's not like a huge leap in logic between that very real scenario and what happened in Metamorphosis.
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh not a great look from Connor but like you said he just was unaware and you can’t really blame him. I’m sure that once he starts actually understanding he’ll be much more sensitive about that topic
I think he didn’t mean that a situation where one parent sides with the other and throws the child out is unrealistic. It’s more that the chain of misfortunes that happens in Metamorphosis is unrealistic, or at least how it’s depicted. I agree with Connor that other stories have accomplished better what this one aims for. I would have felt even worse for Saki if she were written as a rounder character, with some happy moments during her downwards spiral.
Literally the first thing I thought. It happens every day. I'm happy he has such a good heart that he doesn't realize people are capable of that messed upness
The biggest draw to doujin, is how much detail they put into the drawings. You'll never see an animation with this much attention to detail in expressions, line work, and positioning. It's so good
Sauces. ( Not mine, I’m just a reposter, credit goes to u/Imacat_nya on the trash taste subreddit. Also this comment’s replies) Dorei Usagi to Anthony - [100034] - Mentioned at 3:47 Inma no Mikata! | Succubi's Supporter! - [239990] - Mentioned at 4:01 Juunengo no Jinsei Soudan | Life Consultation After 10 Years - [194265] - Mentioned at 4:12 Pisu Hame - [82015] -4:21 Seikatsu Shuukan - [217410] -4:23 Kyoushi to Seito to | Teacher and Student - [88260] - 4:25 Metamorphosis - [177013] Lingua Franca!! - [190547] Succubus Stayed Life - [128705] -Mentioned at 30:33 Nudist Beach ni Syuugaku Ryokoude!! | In School Trip to The Nudist Beach!! - [187664] - Mentioned at 1:16:38 -Toshi densetsu [289609]- wrong sauce Hachishaku Hachiwa Keraku Meguri - [100398] - Mentioned at 1:31:43 Sense of Values of Wine - [100398] - Mentioned at 1:52:58 (The superior teacher student fuuga doujin. Garnt should’ve picked this one it’s like my 2nd most favorite doujin of all time in term of plot) Will update more if they talk About more doujins. Edit: they should make a part 2 where they read some actual cursed doujins like 282618, 111311, 4299, 245505, 259332 or anything with the guro tag really
Given what he said about it, I don't think that it would have changed his opinion about it at all. Plus, Joey & Garnt calling it a masterpiece as is, without mentioning that ending, says a lot. Joey's comments from his interview with the artist were almost spot on with my takeaway of it, that SOMEONE needs to show that these things happen to people.
@@KarlPHorse already did. I don't blame anyone for preferring it, as some will get help in their hour of need. However, to me it takes away from the seriousness of the issues being presented, as if there's always a silver lining; it takes the author's goal of bringing these issues to light & dismisses them.
The adult manwha idea does actually seem like it'd sort of meet one of the criteria Connor had before for the doujin when it's been brought up. He could probably just auto-scroll the longstrip stuff instead of having to turn pages all the time. I've done this before when I was feeling particularly lazy with the regular series like Tower of God or what have you. Just set a scroll going on its own with your mouse wheel that can match the reading pace well enough, maybe a smidge slower than you might think you need in case you suddenly get some more reading than usual in a particular part. It's not terribly difficult to "pause" or "rewind" if necessary either.
They could probably just make an ai that estimates the amount of time someone takes to read each letter and then make it identify every letter in the doujin then you have an option to slow down or speed up depending on how fast you read They could also just hire voice actors to dub it
Yeah pornhwas are great but sometimes you need literal steel will because a lot of it are NTR or dramatic cheating no matter like it straight, bl , fl there will be always that tags
@@tommyblade8093 I don't mean webtoon as a single platform if that's what you're thinking about, I mean that that comic format in general is called webtoon. I've read a lot of NSFW webtoons, they definitely exist lol
sadly yes. specially in third world countries... is also common the prostitution of children. cuba is a good example. ignore the hotels and turistic side, go to the poverty places and see what happen with the kids in there... fucked up shit
2:04:04 that's... normally what happens... It's an extremely messed up thing that happens in abusive families, blaming of the victim or an outside influence rather than the abuser themselves. Wish you were right on that one Connor.
yup, i had a friend in school who had been continuously abused by her uncle from age 4 (!!!) to 17 (basically until she managed to move out). she had tried to go to her mom for help. not only did she tell her that she must be imagining things but also that if something was happening certainly she must have done something to provoke it, and her uncle was actually a good guy who helped their family a lot and if there was another word about it from her there would be consequences... my friend had been through two suicide attempts by the time i met her aged 19 and had a severe eating disorder because since early childhood her food intake was the only thing about her body she felt she had any control and a say over in her life. Edit: And I just remembered not really another friend but more a classmate who had been abused by her step dad at age 15 and when she went to her mom, her mom just before anything else got jealous and blamed her too and basically it ended with her mom telling child protective services that she cannot handle her daughter and it was disrupting her marriage and applied for her daughter to be taken into a supervised live-in hostel for teenagers. So my classmate basically got thrown out of home for being abused by her stepdad.
It's simple jealousy imagine a yandere having a daughter and then hating her for stealing her mens attention of course she would blame her and I've met somone who lived that life where her mother remarried and then bullied her daughter whenever her husband paid her daughter attention because she was jealous
I think the worst thing about metamorphosis is that it's something that could and potentially has happened. I've known people hooked on drugs and homeless and went through similar situations.
@@RaditionRadish One or two of that stuff might happen to a single person but not all to one person during their life. It's sad that it's not so fictional that it never happens
I feel like I lost my appetite and contemplated my life just reading Saki's story, because I know a lot people who went through crap like she did, not all of it but to an extent. Two of them even took their own lives because they couldn't take it anymore. The only other times I felt like that was after watching A Serbian Film, Melancholia and the Human Centipede. But this one feels closer to home. The final part was just heartbreaking for me, seeing her completely broken and losing the will to live. It made me wish that I could do something for a fictional character. At the very least, seeing the Jojo ending, and all the love she got on reddit and fanarts made me feel a little bit better. There was even someone who said they made a grave for her in minecraft, which was honestly pretty sweet. It reminded me to appreciate all the good there is and strife to do good for others. There's plenty of people out there in the world who went through what Saki did.
Why METAMORPHOSIS feels more fucked than more extreme doujins: -Some level of characterization (Saki wanted approval--> changed herself--> naïve and needs parental guidance--> misguided) That's already way above many typical cutout girls in doujins that's drawn straight for fapping purposes. -The fetishes were portrayed more realistically: --> The effects of drugs were more gradual than the magic aphrodisiac in hentai. You see the process and reasons of Hayato and it becomes more personal than just fetish material. -Her promiscuity has social ramifications. --> She lost friends because of the rumors. Some even earlier because they got jealous of her looks but now they finally found dirt on her. --> The delinquents took advantage by blackmailing. The gangbang isn't just erotica anymore. It's a show that she's been outed by the top of the school's hierarchy. --> As you know in Japan, shit can get toxic and that's being pointed out. Even if some people wanted to help, they don't want to get under fire so they just look away when Saki saw her table drawn with graffiti. --> Her father sees her mother's younger self through her--> Abuses her--> mother exiles her. A case of parental abuse and familial hierarchy (the father does no wrong, which is still prevalent in the majority of SEA) --> By the end, she wanders the streets as a beggar which isn't good in a society like Japan. -The subject matter --> We've all seen someone lose themselves to drugs or poverty, so the topic already knocks more on reality than any wacky tags you can think of. Even though prostitution is a common fantasy in porn, this doujin really emphasizes on the psychological side that even if you try to distort your brain to get horny by the imagery (evident by post-nut clarity memes) the self-loathing and insecurities of Saki overwhelms you because it's easy to imagine falling in her place. I get reminded that I was lucky enough that I didn't take drugs or have people that cares in whatever I do and if I'm fucking it all up. Not everyone has that and that's what I get out of this doujin instead of all the fetish material. Additionally: - ShindoL isn't exactly the brightest person (so I don't think he's that deep) and just like Connor pointed out, Metamorphosis is not the most realistic or that there are other media that do the topic better. It's the fact that it's a doujin. Documentaries about prostitutes won't show the on-goings of that industry but pornographic comics can. And the fact that it's pornographic material is what messes with your brain. Doujins are drawn for fapping purposes so when ShindoL flipped that script, that doesn't stop the drawing from being sexually attractive. He basically makes the reader an active part of the story unlike watching a documentary or movie where you can get sad sure, but at the end of the day you remain an outsider simply looking in. In Metamorphosis, you have the option to fap and even though (objectively) Saki isn't real, it feels wrong and gut-wrenching as if you've partaken in the dark side of society yourself.
Essentially its just realism that fucks with us. Like tbh I don’t normally mind rape/ non-consensual scenarios in porn even the more brutal shit like in kuroinu, however I prefer it when this theme is treated more like an Inconvenience and less like what actual real world rape is like i.e a terrifying experience that completely ruins your mind, body, life and spirit, sometimes permanently. The further they lean into the reality of the situation, the more unfun shit gets. Its like what connor said about scat but if it showed the 10 min cleanup aftermath Granted, shedding light on the reality can actually work in both negative and positives. One of my favorite doujins that i wish they brought up here’s hook was that this gurl essentially bribed someone she liked and was friends with to go to school with sex. Dude was basically a failure shutin teen who was on the verge of dropping out. So she’d be like “if you go to school tomorrow, i’ll sleep with you” “if you can get a grade higher than X , i’ll sleep with you etc” and essentially the dude slowly starts cleaning himself up, becomes happier and more sociable and learns to enjoy life Essentially i’m spoilin the ending rotten but HS obviously comes to an end eventually and the dude has a straight up breakdown about the genuine reality of the situation. It wasn’t really just the sex but the girl herself encouraging him and being their for him that helped show him that life was worth living. He didn’t want those good times to end, he just wanted her now, not even really the sex. Like-- God the way the artist drew this dude genuinely crying was so powerful that its unironically stuck with me ever since. Like they even took the time to write in him slurring his words cause he literally couldn’t even think or put into words how much she meant to him The story was so sweet and i feel like it was a great example of using the reality of the situation to push the story forward
The thing that fucks me up about Metamorphosis is that, unlike a lot of the more vile doujins out there, it has its root in some pretty harsh, real shit. It fucked me up because all of that stuff has probably happened to countless girls in real life if not exactly the way it goes for Saki or necessarily to that degree. Which is one of Shindo L's goals. The fact that it's mired so deeply in real life problems like drug addiction and manipulation and objectification of girls that are then discarded and shunned once used makes it harder for me to go "well, at least that couldn't happen irl" which some of the more twisted shit you can rationalize away with. And the fact that something like that can happen to someone is so utterly horrific that even though it's not a 9 on the doujin richter scale of fucked, it's way harder to shake off afterward. But I'm also not going out of my way to read that shit on a regular basis, so what do I know.
Weird, to me that was the reason why it didn't shock me that much at all. I was just like "yeah this happens and it's sad, I've probably read a similar story in some tabloid once". I've read much more fucked up BL stories than that so maybe I hyped myself up too much.
I can feel that feeling Garnt was talking about, like the scenes from Metamorphosis without the context of the main characters life would be very hot to me. But its hard to not realize that all of the people who took advantage of her was not okay. I definitely see myself in her story. I used to be a naive person who got taken advantage of and if I met a guy like the one she did I could have been steered in a similar way. Its a scary reality for people.
On the mom from Metamorphosis: You'd be SHOCKED how common it is in MANY cultures (Japan and US included) for mom's to blame their children for their husband's incest/infidelity/child-r*pe. It's a legit problem
Metamorphosis in general is a lot more realistic than boys think, which is one of the reasons it's so well known. It wasn't just "for some reason everybody talks about it", like Joey guessed, it's the fact that there is a possibility, and not all that low, that there was a girl who went through all of that word by word.
@@BlackWaltzIII yeah. Hearing Connor dismiss it with a “fuck off, there’s no way” gave me a lot of feelings because it’s like… how does this dude think everything happening here is comically impossible when one of my found family members actually came so close to this death spiral and has to work hard every day to keep staying alive. Metamorphosis is fucked because it’s real, it happens. And just… hearing people laugh it off as impossible… idk. It doesn’t quite make me angry? It’s just, the disconnect is kinda fucking with me. Ya know?
They should have recommended him 'Time Stripper Reika' it's so funny. The story is basically the girl got time stopping power and she use it to have sex with guy in university, but then one day she find out there's a guy who also got time stopping ability too. And she have to find out his identity because this guy keep targeting her for some reason. It's so fucking hilarious, if you guys never read this, you should. Work from this artist has always been meta and funny.
Yeah with the mom blaming the kid in metamorphasis this can happen a lot actually. When a person or whoever is being abused by their partner is being overwhelmed they can go into into a form of extreme coping or survival. Being abused so heavily they will blame their kid for why they themselves are being abused and lash out. So the dad was probably incredibly abusive to both the kid and mom. So for the mom to cope and survive blamed it on the kid in fear of confronting the father/abuser. She could very easily convince herself that there is no abuse to protect her from confronting the problem.
It's a common thread when people tell their sexual abuse stories, the fact no one would believe them and many other blamed the person and not the abuser.
The reason why Metamorphosis got so popular was because of how realistic it was. Like almost everything that happened to that girl could happen to someone in real life, and I've seen and heard about some of it happening It isn't like those run-of-the-mill NTR or rape doujins where the girl is blackmailed using some pretty flimsy material or bullshit excuse and gets addicted to being raped and abused
@@kingmanic Just look at the case of Junto Furuta. She was a girl who was kidnapped by some disgusting boys, then raped and tortured for more than a month before finally being killed (it was even by accident, otherwise who knows how much longer they would have kept doing it), and the mother of one of the culprits blamed her for seducing her son and turning him into a monster. She even desecrated Junto's grave at one point Those sickos even essentially got away with it because they were minors (they were around 16-17), apart from one who was sentenced to 20 years in jail. The others got less than 10 years each
@@mike.n.n.7723 why there is more than one mentioning of Junto in different parts of this comment section? It really is making me feel more and more depressed. Her story , just from reading on Wikipedia , fucked me up more than Metamorphosis ever could do. 🥺
Pretty much. And what's worst than victim blaming is victim abandonment (though you could argue it's better since you would be cut off from the abuse) in which, usually the mother would even throw out her own biological child to appease her (usually, not first) husband/boyfriend. In a sense it makes sense from the viewpoint of the mother that she felt she needed the protection of a male guardian so much that she's willing to do anything to retain that male guardian. But it is still fuck up.
This is why I want handsome man in doujin 😭 It's really hard to do self insert as female audience when all you get is ugly bastard. I end up looking for shota because the boys at least are cute.
I mean hell you can miss a page in LOTR pretty easily and not get lost. There are a lot of pages in those books where nothin' happens. Beautiful, descriptive pages, but still.
Is no one gonna talk about how they could have also told Connor to read to Jojos alternative ending to Metamorphosis? I just think we could have gotten a great reaction from Connor for being the top Jojos fan.
Yeah, Metamorphosis is not the most fucked up doujin out there, the ero guro community probably has a bookshelf of weirder stuff. But Metamorphosis made me, at least, think "hey this is something familiar, I read this on a newspaper somewhere". And that stuff gnaw on my subconcious and made me feel.
Ikr, I've seen more fucked up doujin, but that shit obviously won't happen in real life because of how ridiculous it is. But Metamorphosis? Bruh, I only read the last chapter and skipped everything yet still bawled my eyes out
Did Connor go to an all boys school? Sadly All the public schools I went to there were some girls who were in metamorphosis situations… it reminded me of that and fucked me up
Cdawg: almost every guy in the school has had a go at her……no way it would ever actually happen at school irl Me who has seen it happen irl: •sips tea•
Yes, it is unrealistic b/c it happen only to one person. Its like speedrun L taker. If the chapter split up into different scenario where's the main chara different then it'll get a pass from me personally. But still it does good job show how fuck up society where you're already in deep underground and can't get out of it
I found it chilling that they actually never found or watched a documentary about sex trafficking of teenagers because it is almost word for word experience that many of these young women go through.
It's unrealistic for its execution not for the general events that happened imo. Like it felt like the creator was just cramming the worst possible scenarios he could think of in one storyline, with no regard for how well they mash together.
@@ashen0306 so it is unrealistic because it is crammed in small amount of time. Typically, a sex trafficking victim would have between five to fifteen customers a DAY, without counting a person pimping them out having their turn as well... Their first pimp is usually either their childhood abuser, or boyfriend. And they are never their only pimps as victims tend to be sold two or three times. And the way of beating them into submission is through drug use and gang bangs. Most of the girls between 12 and 15, and do not survive their teenager years. So... no, unfortunately it is not as unrealistic as it looks.
Trash taste during their anime episode: *insulting each other’s taste in anime*
Trash taste when talking about doujins: *complimenting and agreeing each other on their taste*
Its the side effect of post-nut clarity
Their shared doujin tastes are clearly the foundation of their friendship
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Finally Connor is going to get over his fear of still images
And reading.
The monkey needs movement
And shotas XD
The monkey needs power
But did he chrome cast it?!
Connor has now doubled the amount of books he has ever read.
I mean is a is something in a comic format really a book? The way you read them is too different, so it's more like he added 0.5× to his reipitorie of words he has looked at.
@@Paradox1012 Book - Noun "a written or printed work consisting of pages glued or sewn together along one side and bound in covers." I guess if the doujins Connor read were physical copies then it'd count as him reading books but by definition it looks like Connor didn't read any books.
It's 200 chapters mate not even a book give me 30 mins 🤔
@@jqa16 200 pages I think you meant, 200 chapter would be like the equivalent of 10 novels
@@jjpark98 lol
Garnt's whole argument is basically: "My kink is toxic relationships but not toxic enough to ruin a life just the right amount to get you on a list"
Putting it that way I agree with him
Sounds amazing
Facts
Enough to get you judged, not enough to get your convicted.
No same tho
“I like when taboos get broken “- the monk
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@@laytonvanleeuwen2207 add his picture as a monk too for emphasis lol
Monk restrains cast off
Ex-Monk, actually. ^.^
Connor hates lolies, Garnt hates Shotas and Joey enjoys both.
LESGOOOOOO
LESGOOOOOOO!
And I hate both
With Joey on this one
Joey is my man
for the situation of mom's blaming their daughters for fathers being abusive: you'd be surprised how common it is for moms to do this. it was certainly the case for my mom, my grandmother blamed my mom for her abuse at the hands of my grandfather.
abuse run in the family.
is common that the parents abuse their children because they also were abused when they were kids.
you see them alot in 3rd world countries too.
It’s the same reason way most parents love their spouse far more then their children and abusers see it as I chose my wife/husband and the kid showed up.
It’s really fucked but you see it a lot especially if a kid says something bad to his mom the dad will not hesitate to threaten the kid as if he isn’t his damn son.
Yeah, it happens a lot actually. It takes only the tiniest bit of toxicity for a woman to be blamed for having a victim complex or something when she gets that kind of abuse. It’s easier to say she’s lying or it’s her fault than accept that someone you love has hurt your daughter
well they grew up in a mysoginistic world so thats not surprising
Yea i was gonna say, connor is naive and he’s our monkey boy, love him. but ive heard from female friends and partners the fucked up shit thats happened to them, so yea not that much fiction as connor thinks.
Connor, you would be surprised at how many mothers who blame their daughters for being sexually assaulted by their fathers. It’s a common thing for mothers to either not believe or blame the kids, because they don’t want to believe that their partner is a terrible person. It’s really sad
Yeah that’s so true it’s like you would believe your mother would believe that something like that happened because you and your mother are both females so you would think that you would have a common fear but that’s not all true.
yes either they dont want to belive it or in a even weirder scenario they even get jelous like WTF
i was watching a Russian dub version of a podcast and literally stopped and went to the original one to write the same comment and to watch if someone did it already, thank u
I'm was a little surprised hearing such vocal disbelief. Then again, if you don't come across it, it might seem unrealistic. It's way too common really.
Took my mother 18 years to accept that my father is a narcissist
When connor asked how they found the 200 page ones and i said instinctively 'cuz those are the best ones' in my head, only to hear joey and garnt say the same thing, i fuckin busted out laughing
“i fuckin busted out laughing”
The longer the better, ngl
Where an I Read those doujin?
@@kosalchum2370
nhentai
@@hondaaccord1399 thanks
The only child in Garnt’s really showing in the episode.
Always has been
Oo
The
Yeah yeah
Yeah
Next step of Connor's downward spiral: Let Sydney recommend her "hardcore" doujinshi.
Pretty sure he won't be the same after that.
Do you really want him to develop PTSD?
@@sirBrouwer Perhaps *leans back in chair*
@@w花b and leave society in total.
Are you trying to kill him
@@sirBrouwer he'd volunteer for the first trip to Mars
Now that Joey and Garnt have recommended Connor doujins, I want a trash taste episode where Connor recommends BL to Joey and Garnt and they review them.
Yes I need
What is bl?
@@fesuard it means Boys Love, basically yaoi
@@lucascruz1332 lol, ok
wait thats actually such a good idea tho
Garnt realizing Sydney is an NTR fan was hilarious.
should... should he be worried?
I did not realize that part, what's the timestamp?
@@HiHello-jo8tp that's for him to guess
@@haiqal5333 1:20:30
Bruh i am still laughing "awe fuck"😂😂😂😂
"Watching adult anime for the story"
Let's be honest, that's the main purpose of adult anime in the first place, the great writing.
Metamorphosis that is
YOU
The Legendary npc is here
I find it more enjoyable when I'm immersed in the story and actually care about the characters doing the deed
Seeing you here reminds me that I'm watching the right content.
Top-Tier Hentai: *adds one singular loli in one page*
Connor: "We were on the verge of greatness! We were _this_ close!"
Man’s not wrong innit bruv
wasn't she a shoujo, though?
No, they've achieved greatness, I'd say the same thing if there wasn't a loli
hes 100% right
@@grantonator3884 doesn't that translate to "young girl"? thats lolis. same shit.
About metamorphosis, as someone who has worked in Osaka clubs for 15 years and been everyone in namba’s midnight therapist. Every single situation with that girl in the doujin is not only possible, it’s extremely common, sex with dad when he’s drunk and down, mom blaming the daughter, group of guys ion highschool blackmailing a girl for sex by catching her doing hotel runs, literally everything in that happens a lot in Japan
Proof? Japan is one of the safest countries. I am in jaoan and i never saw those lvls. C'mon man
@@nitrox4400 Are you really asking how awful some humans can be?
@@nitrox4400 Did you not the first part of the post??? They literally said where they heard all of this... from actual people who came into where they worked? Reading comprehension... please.
@@aphelion4616I've worked in Osaka Clubs for 20 years and everything they said is wrong... Disprove what I said😂😂 Anyone can make up any anecdotal bs they want "hurr durr, I saw it trust me bro" isn't proof. Please look up the definition of proof and get your reading comprehension up😭👍
@@nitrox4400 being one of the safest countries doesn't mean it doesn't have one or two problematic families. I'm sure something like that does exists in Japan. Whether is it really common or very rare, we don't exactly know.
If Garnt ever moves to America he’ll definitely live in Alabama
GiggUK Arizona Alabama
Gigguk be like “sweet home Alabama”
You mean grant?
with Connor so disappointed he gave a Jim Look at 46:28
If garnt was ever in an isekai, he'd be in Alabama
Garnt wearing his fiance's merch on the spicy doujin episode is incredibly wholesome for some reason.
It’s also totally on brand for Sydsnap.
where can i find it?
Relationship goals
No cap, it's actually a cool shirt too. I would totally wear it in public were it not for the fact that it would create some really socially awkward situations for me.
Wait, this shirt of garnt which i always admire is actually from Sydney?! And there is a sydsnap merch shop? Can't find a link anywhere on her twitter or youtube :(
“Brother sister. Teacher student. That’s hot.” Garnt.
Domestic girlfriend in a nutshell. Wow it all makes sense.
I don't get why he likes that show so much, it's pure cringe bro
@@thepuddingking5204 because the manga has excellent worldbuilding and character development, and delves into themes that are generally untouched by most romcom manga/anime. Only the final 10 chaps are shit imo
@@thepuddingking5204 I love domekano, and i can tell you that what makes It excellent is the fact that It is so bad and unpredictable that you can't stop reading It xD
@@thepuddingking5204 I think the cringe is why he likes it
I didn’t like the anime, but the manga is a different story
"Is there a genre where you shout at the wedding ,NO stop the marraige!" ,yes conner its called bollywood shows .
Ok Prashant
Literally every Asian drama ever
Frenetic editing ensues
Shrek, it's the Shrek genre
The graduate
I bet this is Joey and Garnt's condition for playing Apex
bet
true
Connor also needs to watch One Piece and Garnt'll do it
@@Zen-zt4uk I think he said read not watch. Which honestly is better and less time consuming.
@@sericsson1996 it was actually "start" on Twitter but yeah I see ur point. But damn it what's the difference between this and Garnt not watching FMA:B
Joey: Quantity
Garnt: Taboos
Connor: A Challenge
There was an idea... to create a team of extraordinary individuals...
we call it... The Trash Team
remember, connor wants to be mentally challenge-.. er...um...STIMULATED, mental stimulated
"To read the tags that we never could" 😂
The Hevengers ( I know the name sucks but it was the first thing that came to mind after reading the comment
@@prinzya.4538 OOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOBHHHHHHH
I’m glad Connor and the bois had such wholesome childhoods that none of them know a girl who got blamed for her own molestation. Sadly, most kids I know of who got abused, sexually or physically, were blamed instead of the abuser.
After an official interview, they drop this... not gona lie, the boys are courageous.
what official interview is everyone saying in the comments? im a bit out of the loop
To be fair, most likely the only people that'll have watched both are their fans.
Josiah They had a large 2 hours interview on the FCCJ
@@dire213 Check their Twitter. The link is probably still the latest tweet.
Oh no, how could you force the monkey to look at not moving "cultured"?
The monke is having a stroke
he probably read them like Smut Manga. in theory he would have the most pure input because he wouldn't be horney during his research.
Reddit memes be like "Don't move, he can't jack off if we don't move"
And Cannure is like the 18 year old cringe face photoshop-pasted on the dinosaur
hello check mark guy
he should read rocket monkey's doujins then. lotsa milfs for the monkey brains.
The fact that Connor likes danger in his hentai while also chromecasting his hentai just goes together so well.
“Vanilla is the minority of hentai that we get now.”
Yes Connor, yes. It’s so hard to find good vanilla hentai. 😔
@alyssa L I don’t understand how nh*ntai doesn’t have a vanilla tag. There is a clear and vocal demand for it and yet, here we are, digging through a massive pile of literature not to our taste.
@@goobermagoob9160 Yeah like, they have a loli tag but not vanilla, the only way i have to find it is with the tomboy tag, which i don´t mind because a love tomboys to dead, but we need a specific tag for vanilla.
@@goobermagoob9160 True. We have to dig through a pile of NTR shit before we find a good vanilla one.
Just use defloration, Solemale, Solefemale tag
@@goobermagoob9160 because it has to survive on the strength of the writing
Joey: lolicon
Garnt: siscon
Connor: mothercon
Perfectly degenerate, as all weebs should be
The Holy-Trinity of Culture!
I follow the Church of Joey~
The Pillar Men of Degeneracy
RG Barrios
AWAKEN MY DEGENERATES!
"MY MOTHER WAS MY SISTER THE WHOLE TIME AND SHE IS TRAPPED IN THE BODY OF A 15 YEAR OLD: PART 1"
The 3 musketeers of hentai
About the fact that stuff like the story in Metamorphosis happening in real life, I was talking about hentai and doujin with a lady friend who never heard of it.
She went to read it while on discord together and I was just farming in a MMO, waiting for her reaction.
And then she starts talking, I feel that something isn't right. She was very cold about it and said that it's good that this kind of story exists because... she actually went through something similar, especially the "drugs and sold around for sex part" and "family makes things worse". She didn't go too far into details and I didn't ask.
The guy of that time is now in prison and she lives in another country to keep distance from her family.
I never felt worse about recommending anything to anyone.
Uh yeah, one of reason I avoid giving it as adult material reading is because it's too realistic.
I just give people vanilla 😐
This is sad but also nice name
Shit.... I didn't know this doujinshi was realistic in a few lot of ways... I'll keep in mind to not give to anyone but the bois for their reactions, or not.
Dude I love your name
@@pman88035 I know right it’s awesome
Next one will be erogames but grant will choose fate as an excuse to talk about fate for the next 3 hours
Grant.
Sydney: y’all ever heard of closed game?
It depends of what eroge we're talking about, Nukige's that are basic your usual hentai in VN form, the "standard" eroge that is just a romance manga with not just one girl win and sex actually happens or the animes that just have so little sex scenes with no much reason that you don't even know if you should call that a eroge like Fate. I feel that is more easier to make Connor read a short nukige, like a hentai you can grasp the quality of the h-scenes and plot, the rest of nukiges or eroges are too big to Connor read it without being a masterpiece.
i hope they do one for manga!
Grant
I think Connor, in regards to Metamorphosis, underestimates just how real that journey actually is. That's a large part of why it's so fucked up.
One of my childhood friends had a journey almost mirroring Metamorphosis, so I never thought it felt 'forced' or unrealistic in any way, because I've literally seen it happen with my own two eyes.
WHAT!?!?!?
what if it happen with your own eyes why you didnt help?
@@chunito they could’ve been a helpless kid themselves- we shouldn’t assume
@@chunito And maybe they did get help but no one believed them or it led to their friend being put in danger. There's a lot of possibilities so don't assume what someone did or didn't do in a situation like this.
hope they're alright
Connor: Complains how doujins escalate quickly
Also Connor: Likes to skip to the gameplay
The whole theme of this podcast: GAMER CUP!
Waifu Cup, GamerSupps.
WAIFU CUPS!
cupped WAIFU!
2 Gamer 1 Cup
Gamer supps, waifu cups, BARS
I love how Connor actually cares about the story and actually remember them.
i mean, it's not like he read a lot, so.....he have a lot of empty space to store them XD
He did read JoJo, so it's not like he's never read anything.
@@Kitsunary That's only because of how much he loves JoJo.
@@balabanasireti he read eyeshield 21
@@giratius9307 Simple.
Because of the art.
The sad thing is that mother’s blaming their daughters rather than the father happens a lot more than people think
Then they genuinely shouldn’t be allowed to be parents, any parents who blame their children for something they didn’t start or have control of are scum imo
@@crimsonshock2764 You should really try on their shoes. You're in pressuring stress, the one you love, you've spent years with together, just commited an act that you can't accept he'd do, so you instead blame someone else to cope for it. It's really hard to try and be rational under moments as extreme as such. Don't make the same mistake they did, and think rationally about things before forming a conclusion.
@@radornic2387 thank you for explaining, it's important for people to know
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 If that was the case then there wouldn't be any mothers who abuse their kids. Seeing women as being who inherently having a maternal instinct just because they gave birth to a human is weird because it really borders on the belief that all women want or should be a mother when that's not the case and no one gets more parental instincts just because they have a kid.
@@radornic2387that’s a good explanation. It still sucks though.
The MCU does have a recurring character in every movie: Stan Lee.
*did
sadly. Rest in Peace ya genius
@@somerandomfern they better cgi him in....
@@bryanfeliciano4102 I don't think that's a good idea but if you're okay with then aight
@@bryanfeliciano4102 I heard they recorded a bunch of his cameos ahead of time so they have a bunch
Had*
My goodness. They're drinking Pekora juice while talking about doujin.
Sounds delicious, alright
Nousagi's daily life
As cultured individual should be doing
Kusa-peko
Based
This isn’t connor, the real connor goes straight to the action and skips all the bullshit
May I ask where ur profile pic is from?
@@arody4579 Tokyo Ghoul
Character development
Character development
Regarding the metamorphosis discussion, sadly in a lot of instances where daughters get sexually abused by their mothers partners, the mother will blame her for seducing the man and stick by him. That was a depressingly realistic part of the doujin
what instances, how many? i’d like to see a number
@@LukSter18998 You clearly haven't seen the real world have you? On how depressing it is
@@LukSter18998I mean my brother’s ex was r-ed by her father when she was 10 and when her moths found out she didn’t believe her and sided with her father. It wasn’t until her father disappeared after attempting it again that her mother actually believed her.
This is the quietest I’ve seen Joey in a whole episode, just leaning back stepping down to the audience and enjoying the spirited debate.
He needed to be carful with what he says, that Lolicon stamp lurcking behind him the whole time
He said the worst opinion as well
Metamorphosis is the Oyasumi Punpun of Manga🤯
@@newbie4789 Not as nuanced as Punpun, but close enough for a doujin
@@P99s-s Now I want Fanart of Joey with a Loli stand behind him during the studio podcast as he sweats away.
@@P99s-s i
2nd doujin. Succubus are integrated and almost everyone has a bit of succubus blood in them.
Interspecies Reviewers fans: "wait a minute"
"Chotto matte"
*Hold up*
Chotto one fucking matte
You know the rules and so do I
Connor pressing "X" to doubt the reality where a mother blames her daughter for "seducing" the father speaks volumes about how innocent he is as a person.
He had every shit conclusion you could possibly have after reading that doujin lol
@@MNTNHMESMO meh, I mean. He's entitled to his opinions. I won't say they were the worst takes.
Honestly... When her mom kicked her out that's when I knew that it was the point of no return. This girl went from being naive and powerless to also homeless. Also, as a woman, reading metamorphosis actually repulsed me from sex for a good couple of days. And I was dating someone at that time so I really didn't want to explain that whole thing.
@@glassy_rose having similar interests finally showing their potential
I know right, I was immediately thinking "no I very much can imagine this scenario happening" in regards to the mom. There are examples where a man will abandon his wife and kid while the kid is still like a toddler and the mother might blame the kid for it even though they did absolutely nothing, it's not like a huge leap in logic between that very real scenario and what happened in Metamorphosis.
Funny how Connor instantly assumed Garnt for choosing the “incest” doujin when one of Joey’s favorite guilty pleasure anime is Kiss x Sis.
Well the characters in kiss x sis are not blood related
@@keinen.0824 the only saving grace of incest
Sauce Numbers for yall:
Dorei Usagi to Anthony: 100034, 00:04:37
Inma no Mikata! | Succubi's Supporter!: 239990, 00:26:22
Juunengo no Jinsei Soudan | Life Consultation After 10 Years: 194265, 00:42:17
Pisu Hame: 82015, 01:05:05
Seikatsu Shuukan: 238636, 01:25:11
Kyoushi to Seito to - Teacher and Student: 50478, 01:40:18
Metamorphosis: 177013, 01:55:27
Thanks I’ve been looking
why aren't you top comment yet? the world is fcked
Yoo thanks
LITERALLY CAME TO YT COMMENTS (Spotify main) I FOUND THE LEGEND WITH THE CODES
I ONLY WISH YOU THE BEST 🤗
Connor proving he's somehow too pure. He's unaware of how often the children are blamed for the abuse they suffer from parents.
Protecc the bean!
That was a big OOF from me. Such a sweet naive young man. Sadly, rape victim blaming is a thing all over the world.
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhh not a great look from Connor but like you said he just was unaware and you can’t really blame him. I’m sure that once he starts actually understanding he’ll be much more sensitive about that topic
I think he didn’t mean that a situation where one parent sides with the other and throws the child out is unrealistic. It’s more that the chain of misfortunes that happens in Metamorphosis is unrealistic, or at least how it’s depicted.
I agree with Connor that other stories have accomplished better what this one aims for. I would have felt even worse for Saki if she were written as a rounder character, with some happy moments during her downwards spiral.
Literally the first thing I thought. It happens every day. I'm happy he has such a good heart that he doesn't realize people are capable of that messed upness
The biggest draw to doujin, is how much detail they put into the drawings. You'll never see an animation with this much attention to detail in expressions, line work, and positioning. It's so good
Sauces. ( Not mine, I’m just a reposter, credit goes to u/Imacat_nya on the trash taste subreddit. Also this comment’s replies)
Dorei Usagi to Anthony - [100034]
- Mentioned at 3:47
Inma no Mikata! | Succubi's Supporter! - [239990]
- Mentioned at 4:01
Juunengo no Jinsei Soudan | Life Consultation After 10 Years - [194265]
- Mentioned at 4:12
Pisu Hame - [82015]
-4:21
Seikatsu Shuukan - [217410]
-4:23
Kyoushi to Seito to | Teacher and Student - [88260]
- 4:25
Metamorphosis - [177013]
Lingua Franca!! - [190547]
Succubus Stayed Life - [128705]
-Mentioned at 30:33
Nudist Beach ni Syuugaku Ryokoude!! | In School Trip to The Nudist Beach!! - [187664]
- Mentioned at 1:16:38
-Toshi densetsu [289609]- wrong sauce
Hachishaku Hachiwa Keraku Meguri - [100398]
- Mentioned at 1:31:43
Sense of Values of Wine - [100398]
- Mentioned at 1:52:58 (The superior teacher student fuuga doujin. Garnt should’ve picked this one it’s like my 2nd most favorite doujin of all time in term of plot)
Will update more if they talk About more doujins.
Edit: they should make a part 2 where they read some actual cursed doujins like 282618, 111311, 4299, 245505, 259332 or anything with the guro tag really
thanks
Carefully, hes a hero
where can i read this? sauce?
compliments to the chef
the sauce is appreciated
Thank you for doing GOD's work
I can't believe they didn't tell him about The Metamorphosis JOJO ending...
OMFG you're right! DUDE he needs to check that out
I think they talked about that on the episode with Sydney
Given what he said about it, I don't think that it would have changed his opinion about it at all. Plus, Joey & Garnt calling it a masterpiece as is, without mentioning that ending, says a lot. Joey's comments from his interview with the artist were almost spot on with my takeaway of it, that SOMEONE needs to show that these things happen to people.
@@RepOfAntarctica true, but consider the following.
Jojo
@@KarlPHorse already did. I don't blame anyone for preferring it, as some will get help in their hour of need. However, to me it takes away from the seriousness of the issues being presented, as if there's always a silver lining; it takes the author's goal of bringing these issues to light & dismisses them.
The real fucked up part of this is that they didn't talk about the jojo ending for metamorphosis
Didnt the creator of metamorphosis like it and made it canon
@@hashi. He said its up to the viewer whether or not it's canon.
I was looking for this comment
Canur would have loved this ending
@@Aaron-kk4xy Everyone is going to prefer the JoJo ending, so it's basically canon.
Ninja when reading a doujin: "im not seeing enough movement"
This comment made me laugh out loud. Thank you
Lol
Connor: I hate cut scenes, let me skip to the action.
Also Connor: WHATS GOING ON WHERE IS THE BACK STORY
The adult manwha idea does actually seem like it'd sort of meet one of the criteria Connor had before for the doujin when it's been brought up. He could probably just auto-scroll the longstrip stuff instead of having to turn pages all the time. I've done this before when I was feeling particularly lazy with the regular series like Tower of God or what have you. Just set a scroll going on its own with your mouse wheel that can match the reading pace well enough, maybe a smidge slower than you might think you need in case you suddenly get some more reading than usual in a particular part. It's not terribly difficult to "pause" or "rewind" if necessary either.
They could probably just make an ai that estimates the amount of time someone takes to read each letter and then make it identify every letter in the doujin then you have an option to slow down or speed up depending on how fast you read
They could also just hire voice actors to dub it
Yeah pornhwas are great but sometimes you need literal steel will because a lot of it are NTR or dramatic cheating no matter like it straight, bl , fl there will be always that tags
You mean webtoons, right?
@@golbinnom i dont think theres pornhwa on webtoon...
@@tommyblade8093 I don't mean webtoon as a single platform if that's what you're thinking about, I mean that that comic format in general is called webtoon. I've read a lot of NSFW webtoons, they definitely exist lol
'Hey guys, look, we're on this nice, prim and proper interview online!"
1 Day Later: "Hey guys, ITS ANOTHER PORN EPISODE!"
The duality of Trash Taste
HAHAHAHA
I see nothing wrong here business as usual
Do you expect anything less
Unfortunately quite a lot of abused wives will blame, or ignore a daughter that's a victim of sexual abuse. It's shockingly common.
sadly yes. specially in third world countries... is also common the prostitution of children.
cuba is a good example. ignore the hotels and turistic side, go to the poverty places and see what happen with the kids in there... fucked up shit
Reality is often worse than fiction. It's not just 3rd world countries. Do a search on Valeries Bacot and Jacqueline Sauvage
yeah, like there's literally famous case in France right now, about step daughter killing her step dad, after years of abuse.
and here I thought Metamorphosis was so messed up it's unrealistic
@@fernando4959 If metamorphosis was better paced, it's pretty fucking accurate to what happens in real life.
garnt saying he's not into incest radiates the same energy as markiplier denying that he's a masochist
just saving this for a laugh 1:25:00
whenever connor is constipated: “i’m not seeing enough movement”
Alternate Title: Connor conquer his fears of images
This makes me laugh far more that it should
My takeaway from this episode: "This is why Gigguk finished Domestic Girlfriend."
2:04:04 that's... normally what happens...
It's an extremely messed up thing that happens in abusive families, blaming of the victim or an outside influence rather than the abuser themselves. Wish you were right on that one Connor.
@Alexis Castillo depends on the family, but there are a lot of shitty families out there, the world is fucked up
yup, i had a friend in school who had been continuously abused by her uncle from age 4 (!!!) to 17 (basically until she managed to move out). she had tried to go to her mom for help. not only did she tell her that she must be imagining things but also that if something was happening certainly she must have done something to provoke it, and her uncle was actually a good guy who helped their family a lot and if there was another word about it from her there would be consequences...
my friend had been through two suicide attempts by the time i met her aged 19 and had a severe eating disorder because since early childhood her food intake was the only thing about her body she felt she had any control and a say over in her life.
Edit: And I just remembered not really another friend but more a classmate who had been abused by her step dad at age 15 and when she went to her mom, her mom just before anything else got jealous and blamed her too and basically it ended with her mom telling child protective services that she cannot handle her daughter and it was disrupting her marriage and applied for her daughter to be taken into a supervised live-in hostel for teenagers. So my classmate basically got thrown out of home for being abused by her stepdad.
@@1983simi This just basically proves the idea that some people should not become parents in the first place if they can't even tame their own demons.
@@juwanbantug5465 amen to that
@@juwanbantug5465 you can say that again mate
I can guarantee you that there are mothers who blame the daughter, it's sick, but in real life that's actually disturbingly common.
It's simple jealousy imagine a yandere having a daughter and then hating her for stealing her mens attention of course she would blame her and I've met somone who lived that life where her mother remarried and then bullied her daughter whenever her husband paid her daughter attention because she was jealous
@@dragnarok4286 It’s deeper than just jealousy. It’s internalized misogyny and still very much prevalent.
I think the worst thing about metamorphosis is that it's something that could and potentially has happened. I've known people hooked on drugs and homeless and went through similar situations.
@@RaditionRadish One or two of that stuff might happen to a single person but not all to one person during their life. It's sad that it's not so fictional that it never happens
Same for when a boy gets abused by a woman.
"they're not blood related so it doesn't counts."
*Domestic na Kanojo Intensifies*
Teacher and student
Domestic na Kanojo Intensifies
It awakened something in Garnt
“If she ain’t blood related she’s free to be dated”
-Gigguk
I feel like I lost my appetite and contemplated my life just reading Saki's story, because I know a lot people who went through crap like she did, not all of it but to an extent. Two of them even took their own lives because they couldn't take it anymore. The only other times I felt like that was after watching A Serbian Film, Melancholia and the Human Centipede. But this one feels closer to home. The final part was just heartbreaking for me, seeing her completely broken and losing the will to live. It made me wish that I could do something for a fictional character.
At the very least, seeing the Jojo ending, and all the love she got on reddit and fanarts made me feel a little bit better. There was even someone who said they made a grave for her in minecraft, which was honestly pretty sweet. It reminded me to appreciate all the good there is and strife to do good for others. There's plenty of people out there in the world who went through what Saki did.
That pregnant step scene in metamorphosis is probably one of the most disturbing things I've seen I'm my time
Why METAMORPHOSIS feels more fucked than more extreme doujins:
-Some level of characterization (Saki wanted approval--> changed herself--> naïve and needs parental guidance--> misguided) That's already way above many typical cutout girls in doujins that's drawn straight for fapping purposes.
-The fetishes were portrayed more realistically:
--> The effects of drugs were more gradual than the magic aphrodisiac in hentai. You see the process and reasons of Hayato and it becomes more personal than just fetish material.
-Her promiscuity has social ramifications.
--> She lost friends because of the rumors. Some even earlier because they got jealous of her looks but now they finally found dirt on her.
--> The delinquents took advantage by blackmailing. The gangbang isn't just erotica anymore. It's a show that she's been outed by the top of the school's hierarchy.
--> As you know in Japan, shit can get toxic and that's being pointed out. Even if some people wanted to help, they don't want to get under fire so they just look away when Saki saw her table drawn with graffiti.
--> Her father sees her mother's younger self through her--> Abuses her--> mother exiles her. A case of parental abuse and familial hierarchy (the father does no wrong, which is still prevalent in the majority of SEA)
--> By the end, she wanders the streets as a beggar which isn't good in a society like Japan.
-The subject matter
--> We've all seen someone lose themselves to drugs or poverty, so the topic already knocks more on reality than any wacky tags you can think of. Even though prostitution is a common fantasy in porn, this doujin really emphasizes on the psychological side that even if you try to distort your brain to get horny by the imagery (evident by post-nut clarity memes) the self-loathing and insecurities of Saki overwhelms you because it's easy to imagine falling in her place. I get reminded that I was lucky enough that I didn't take drugs or have people that cares in whatever I do and if I'm fucking it all up. Not everyone has that and that's what I get out of this doujin instead of all the fetish material.
Additionally:
- ShindoL isn't exactly the brightest person (so I don't think he's that deep) and just like Connor pointed out, Metamorphosis is not the most realistic or that there are other media that do the topic better. It's the fact that it's a doujin. Documentaries about prostitutes won't show the on-goings of that industry but pornographic comics can. And the fact that it's pornographic material is what messes with your brain. Doujins are drawn for fapping purposes so when ShindoL flipped that script, that doesn't stop the drawing from being sexually attractive.
He basically makes the reader an active part of the story unlike watching a documentary or movie where you can get sad sure, but at the end of the day you remain an outsider simply looking in. In Metamorphosis, you have the option to fap and even though (objectively) Saki isn't real, it feels wrong and gut-wrenching as if you've partaken in the dark side of society yourself.
This. You said everything tht I couldn't put into words.
In short, it reminds you of a grimdark world that is reality.
Essentially its just realism that fucks with us.
Like tbh I don’t normally mind rape/ non-consensual scenarios in porn even the more brutal shit like in kuroinu, however I prefer it when this theme is treated more like an Inconvenience and less like what actual real world rape is like i.e a terrifying experience that completely ruins your mind, body, life and spirit, sometimes permanently. The further they lean into the reality of the situation, the more unfun shit gets.
Its like what connor said about scat but if it showed the 10 min cleanup aftermath
Granted, shedding light on the reality can actually work in both negative and positives.
One of my favorite doujins that i wish they brought up here’s hook was that this gurl essentially bribed someone she liked and was friends with to go to school with sex. Dude was basically a failure shutin teen who was on the verge of dropping out. So she’d be like “if you go to school tomorrow, i’ll sleep with you” “if you can get a grade higher than X , i’ll sleep with you etc” and essentially the dude slowly starts cleaning himself up, becomes happier and more sociable and learns to enjoy life
Essentially i’m spoilin the ending rotten but HS obviously comes to an end eventually and the dude has a straight up breakdown about the genuine reality of the situation. It wasn’t really just the sex but the girl herself encouraging him and being their for him that helped show him that life was worth living. He didn’t want those good times to end, he just wanted her now, not even really the sex.
Like--
God the way the artist drew this dude genuinely crying was so powerful that its unironically stuck with me ever since. Like they even took the time to write in him slurring his words cause he literally couldn’t even think or put into words how much she meant to him
The story was so sweet and i feel like it was a great example of using the reality of the situation to push the story forward
Her life turned to shit just because she wore makeup to school one day
Metamorphosis isn't porn. It's a Tragedy with explicit scenes.
This is legitimate literature
When Joey busts out the pekora wine, you know shit is gonna go down.
Connor: I don't read
Joey and Garnt: here are 7 books you have to finish by tomorrow
This episode is just Garnt describing how much he likes Domestic Girlfriend without saying he likes Domestic Girlfriend.
51:20
you guys didn't mention the Jojo ending of metamorphosis. that needs to be talked about
the fuck is that and where do i find it
@@scar3cro3 265918
It’s canon. It’s canon. It’s canon. You can’t tell me anything else
@@carterpaine5079 How about it's cannon?
@@The_Rising_Dragon good
The thing that fucks me up about Metamorphosis is that, unlike a lot of the more vile doujins out there, it has its root in some pretty harsh, real shit. It fucked me up because all of that stuff has probably happened to countless girls in real life if not exactly the way it goes for Saki or necessarily to that degree. Which is one of Shindo L's goals. The fact that it's mired so deeply in real life problems like drug addiction and manipulation and objectification of girls that are then discarded and shunned once used makes it harder for me to go "well, at least that couldn't happen irl" which some of the more twisted shit you can rationalize away with. And the fact that something like that can happen to someone is so utterly horrific that even though it's not a 9 on the doujin richter scale of fucked, it's way harder to shake off afterward.
But I'm also not going out of my way to read that shit on a regular basis, so what do I know.
Yea, while art is great, it makes me depressed, so i can't read it again.
Yeah it was super real and depressing. I couldnt get off to that
Yeahhh uhhh definitely not reading that by the sounds of it lol
Weird, to me that was the reason why it didn't shock me that much at all. I was just like "yeah this happens and it's sad, I've probably read a similar story in some tabloid once". I've read much more fucked up BL stories than that so maybe I hyped myself up too much.
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Garnt: "Teacher/Student Relationships"
Me: *DomeKano OST intensifies*
Why are you here sensei was pretty good
I can feel that feeling Garnt was talking about, like the scenes from Metamorphosis without the context of the main characters life would be very hot to me. But its hard to not realize that all of the people who took advantage of her was not okay. I definitely see myself in her story. I used to be a naive person who got taken advantage of and if I met a guy like the one she did I could have been steered in a similar way. Its a scary reality for people.
On the mom from Metamorphosis:
You'd be SHOCKED how common it is in MANY cultures (Japan and US included) for mom's to blame their children for their husband's incest/infidelity/child-r*pe. It's a legit problem
Metamorphosis in general is a lot more realistic than boys think, which is one of the reasons it's so well known. It wasn't just "for some reason everybody talks about it", like Joey guessed, it's the fact that there is a possibility, and not all that low, that there was a girl who went through all of that word by word.
I’ll admit that when I first read it, I also brushed it off as being essentially impossible.
@@BlackWaltzIII yeah. Hearing Connor dismiss it with a “fuck off, there’s no way” gave me a lot of feelings because it’s like… how does this dude think everything happening here is comically impossible when one of my found family members actually came so close to this death spiral and has to work hard every day to keep staying alive. Metamorphosis is fucked because it’s real, it happens.
And just… hearing people laugh it off as impossible… idk. It doesn’t quite make me angry? It’s just, the disconnect is kinda fucking with me. Ya know?
How does the mother brain works like that. How can you blame someone who has nothing to do with someone cause. Wtf
@@lintecassidy206 because people who live their life in a "safe bubble" can't never understand it. It's too alien and uncomfortable to understand
They should have recommended him 'Time Stripper Reika' it's so funny. The story is basically the girl got time stopping power and she use it to have sex with guy in university, but then one day she find out there's a guy who also got time stopping ability too. And she have to find out his identity because this guy keep targeting her for some reason.
It's so fucking hilarious, if you guys never read this, you should. Work from this artist has always been meta and funny.
I have. Doesn't it end in a timeloop, where they keep fucking?
Does it involve panties?
@@shizueigaki702 Yeah and they overpopulate the whole world with their babies.
Yeah i can't even describe wtf is happening from that author's works, like really weird and fucked up doujins. (Author is Gesundheit)
@@ProfRon-hb8zb I wouldn't mind the f*cked up stuff if he adds some creative stuff to it like what's in OP's comment lol.
Connor: "I have read doujins now."
The girls from the Jurassic Park t-rex meme: *Screams*
The girls: "If we don't move, he can't fap to us!"
Metamorphosis was so tragically sad, mainly because it was pretty realistic of what can happen for some unfortunate people in the real world.
Yeah with the mom blaming the kid in metamorphasis this can happen a lot actually. When a person or whoever is being abused by their partner is being overwhelmed they can go into into a form of extreme coping or survival. Being abused so heavily they will blame their kid for why they themselves are being abused and lash out. So the dad was probably incredibly abusive to both the kid and mom. So for the mom to cope and survive blamed it on the kid in fear of confronting the father/abuser. She could very easily convince herself that there is no abuse to protect her from confronting the problem.
It's a common thread when people tell their sexual abuse stories, the fact no one would believe them and many other blamed the person and not the abuser.
The reason why Metamorphosis got so popular was because of how realistic it was. Like almost everything that happened to that girl could happen to someone in real life, and I've seen and heard about some of it happening
It isn't like those run-of-the-mill NTR or rape doujins where the girl is blackmailed using some pretty flimsy material or bullshit excuse and gets addicted to being raped and abused
@@kingmanic Just look at the case of Junto Furuta. She was a girl who was kidnapped by some disgusting boys, then raped and tortured for more than a month before finally being killed (it was even by accident, otherwise who knows how much longer they would have kept doing it), and the mother of one of the culprits blamed her for seducing her son and turning him into a monster. She even desecrated Junto's grave at one point
Those sickos even essentially got away with it because they were minors (they were around 16-17), apart from one who was sentenced to 20 years in jail. The others got less than 10 years each
@@mike.n.n.7723 why there is more than one mentioning of Junto in different parts of this comment section?
It really is making me feel more and more depressed. Her story , just from reading on Wikipedia , fucked me up more than Metamorphosis ever could do.
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Pretty much. And what's worst than victim blaming is victim abandonment (though you could argue it's better since you would be cut off from the abuse) in which, usually the mother would even throw out her own biological child to appease her (usually, not first) husband/boyfriend.
In a sense it makes sense from the viewpoint of the mother that she felt she needed the protection of a male guardian so much that she's willing to do anything to retain that male guardian.
But it is still fuck up.
One of the biggest benefits about being a short guy is that I can look at Shoutas and use them as a self-insert. It's surprisingly fun.
The shota pope here
Yeah, the self-insert is good nonetheless
But I like being dominated by a caring woman in general
Pls excuse me while I'm crying in the corner
This is why I want handsome man in doujin 😭
It's really hard to do self insert as female audience when all you get is ugly bastard. I end up looking for shota because the boys at least are cute.
Garnt: "If I were to explain my taste..."
It's literally the name of the podcast, bruh. Own it.
Metamorphosis may not be realistic, but I think Connor is understimating what a lot of the victims of human trafficking go through.
"This is like Lord of the Rings when you miss a page. "
Coming from Connor who hates reading.
I mean hell you can miss a page in LOTR pretty easily and not get lost. There are a lot of pages in those books where nothin' happens. Beautiful, descriptive pages, but still.
Is no one gonna talk about how they could have also told Connor to read to Jojos alternative ending to Metamorphosis? I just think we could have gotten a great reaction from Connor for being the top Jojos fan.
The reaction of Garnt when he remembers that Sidney likes NTR is me when life hits hard
The thing that constantly dragged me down with Metamorphosis, every time things looked up for her, it got worse. The final gut punch was the robbery
I find it ironic that the only member that doesn't read doujins at all is the one hosting the *doujin episode* lmao.
Conner has no idea how realistic Metamorphosis actually is. I’ve seen some shit man.
Yeah, Metamorphosis is not the most fucked up doujin out there, the ero guro community probably has a bookshelf of weirder stuff. But Metamorphosis made me, at least, think "hey this is something familiar, I read this on a newspaper somewhere". And that stuff gnaw on my subconcious and made me feel.
Ikr, I've seen more fucked up doujin, but that shit obviously won't happen in real life because of how ridiculous it is.
But Metamorphosis? Bruh, I only read the last chapter and skipped everything yet still bawled my eyes out
Yeah. Ive read some shit too. Metamorphosis is realistic. Connor just haven't seen some example irl. That's it.
It is too realistic
Did Connor go to an all boys school? Sadly All the public schools I went to there were some girls who were in metamorphosis situations… it reminded me of that and fucked me up
"Hey Billy what was your favorite Trash Taste episode?"
"I like the one where they talked about doujin for a *looooong* time"
"hey I'm weeb"
"We're also weebs"
"And this is weeb week"
I know that at least Joey would consider this intro, judging by his subtle references.
Game Grumps?
I love Donny and Arnold!
Thats literally the purpose of this episode?
@@griffinkujo9157 Game Grumps viewers are everywhere, my friend.
We are the JoJo fans of TH-cam.
46:23 is probably the highlight of the episode for me 😂 Just Connors face as he stares at the camera 😭
"Smash Bros introducing a new fighter, a dad"
Oh look, they predicted Kazuya.
1:22:24
garnt: "Meilyne can you search up some of the most search terms in phub?"
Meilyne, probably: "I don't get paid enough to do this shit"
Cdawg: almost every guy in the school has had a go at her……no way it would ever actually happen at school irl
Me who has seen it happen irl: •sips tea•
😐😐
The hell
Goddamit man
Really..? Oh God..
The what 🙄🙄
“If she’s not blood related, she’s free to be dated” -Gigguk
“If she’s not blood related she’s free to be dated.” _Garnt_
Domestic no Kanojo effect 😂
No chromo.
@@asp2410 and oreimo
The fact that connor found metamorphosis unrealistic really made me realize how different some peoples worlds and world views are...
Yes, it is unrealistic b/c it happen only to one person. Its like speedrun L taker. If the chapter split up into different scenario where's the main chara different then it'll get a pass from me personally.
But still it does good job show how fuck up society where you're already in deep underground and can't get out of it
I found it chilling that they actually never found or watched a documentary about sex trafficking of teenagers because it is almost word for word experience that many of these young women go through.
It's unrealistic for its execution not for the general events that happened imo. Like it felt like the creator was just cramming the worst possible scenarios he could think of in one storyline, with no regard for how well they mash together.
@@ashen0306 so it is unrealistic because it is crammed in small amount of time.
Typically, a sex trafficking victim would have between five to fifteen customers a DAY, without counting a person pimping them out having their turn as well...
Their first pimp is usually either their childhood abuser, or boyfriend. And they are never their only pimps as victims tend to be sold two or three times. And the way of beating them into submission is through drug use and gang bangs.
Most of the girls between 12 and 15, and do not survive their teenager years.
So... no, unfortunately it is not as unrealistic as it looks.
@M Billa She is unrealistically unlucky.
2:22:10
Connor: "What does Sydney think of it"
Garnt: *"I'm afraid to ask"*
We need a sequel to this episode where Connor recommends his top tier yaoi lmaoo
"Shoot your goo, my dude!"
-Ironmouse to Connor
A Turtle approves of this quote
I'm ashamed that I know where this is from.
I'm sad they didn't bring up "Me Stepmum's Too Fuckin' Hot, Mate!" aka the bogan scan, absolutely legendary doujinn
Commenting for later ...
That mate at the end makes this sound like a shitty australian porno
@@sigmafx7176
The Australian translations are funny.
@@sigmafx7176 yeah... "Aka the bogan scan"
Someone reply back I will read it later
Sometimes listening to Connor shitting about his struggles with reading and consuming stuff makes me think that he is just overwhelmed with life lol.
Tbf, who isn't
Ngl I think we need a bl episode where Connor recommends some bl to the bois
"I like when taboos get broken"
I thought NOTHING could make me more scared to see Garnts search history. I stand WILDLY corrected.