You da man! I pulled out all the leads and tested the fans with a wire to the battery. They worked. I then checked the ground wire and it was fully clipped in, but loose inside. After cleaning and gentle reconnection, the fans came to life! MWA HA HA HA HA!!!!! NO MONEY FOR YOU, KIA SPARE PARTS SHOP!!!!!!
I have a 2007 Sedona and this happened to me. I replaced the fan module, and it was not the problem. I did find that the bottom connector you talk about was bad. It overheated and was corroded. I cleaned up the ends with a wire brush, and placed some electronic paste on it. I then crimped the fitting to make it tighter. I also took the relay off, and replaced it, ($25 at the dealer). Once everything was on, i reset the code and drove around. It has now been 2 years with no over heating.
mywickedness thanks for sharing! That is going to save someone a lot of headache & money while repairing theirs. They do not give away those fan modules..
Thanks for the video mate. You showed me all the component locations. I was lucky, the relay contacts had waxy grease on them causing high resistance. Cleaned up and both fans now working.
Hey there. Great video! I just recently got a 2006 Kia Sedona LX from a good friend of mine. The A/C doesn't work in it. Don't know if it's the clutch or what. After I watched a different video on TH-cam, I wanted to see if the fans were running. I started the van, looked under the hood. Neither fan runs. The van doesn't overheat. Temp gauge shows a little below half. So the fans only come on at certain times?
Correct, the fans only kick on when the engine temp starts to rise. If they don’t kick on when your engine temp rises then you could have an issue like I posted.
@@thejoki04 The temp gauge rises a only to a little under halfway. I can't hear the fans come on but at the same time, I have the blower on full speed. I guess the fans wouldn't come on until the temp gauge started getting towards hot?
You are correct. If you have your a/c on max & your engine temp is not rising to the point that your fans kick on, your fan relays are most likely fine & it’s a problem with the a/c. If u want to test your fans just leave the car running for awhile & eventually they should kick on as the engine temp rises. For your a/c I would start by depleting the Freon, then recharging them with some cans from Walmart. I recommend using a warm wash cloth/towel to wrap the a/c cans in while you recharge, shaking them continuously as it will push more Freon. Sometimes if you try to recharge the a/c Freon without depleting it, it may not work.
With your car running and full a/c on blast, you should hear your a/c compressor kick on & off at some point. If it’s low on Freon it probably won’t. Could be a Freon issue, or a bad compressor.
I just got one of those Van's. What's your opinion of them? Pretty solid good van? It reminds me of an expensive Toyota Van. Mines overheating a bit though. Are the KIA's on Toyota's level?
I loved the van other than this minor issue which was solved pretty quickly. It was always a strong runner & had a lot of power. I pulled a 20’ car hauler trailer with mine over 700 miles(empty of course).
Thanks for this video, the mechanic said the module was bad but when I checked the ground plug it was corroded and not even plugged in. I'll need to replace that or connect with alligator clips. I am having trouble disconnecting the plug above the ground - do you have any tips on how to do that?
@@thejoki04 thanks so much, it was stuck so that's why just pressing down on the clip wasn't working which is why I was wondering if there was something else I had to do. I had to use a screwdriver to help lever the plug out after depressing the clip.
Thanks for pointing out the relay. The book says it's in the engine fuse box. I had seen the relay but was not sure until i saw your video. My failure is identical to yours except no problems with the passenger fan motor. Also, with everything on and working well on the ac, I am getting no voltage out of the module outputs to the fans. I will check the ground and test the relay in the morning.
the fan control modules go on these things too, probably becase of the bad ground. mine went a few months after fixing this bad ground issue. Be really careful taking off the ground wire connector, it's easily broken, mine broke, the one at the wrecking yard was broke too. i found a controller on amazon for 90 bucks that seems to be working ok, no luck with $20 one i got at pick n pull.
check under the cap of the diagnostic dongle hanging in there, I found tons of green goblin shorting it out, it was hanging upside down and the cap was collecting water I think. what was that relay called? no one is listing a fan control module power relay on their websites
@@thejoki04 I bet the slow fan motor (bad bearing) causes the control module to burn out, good call on changing it too, bad ground will too. thanks for making the video, 100 kar karma points for you! .....follow up.... it was just the bad ground on the bottom plug, I took it off cleaned the contacts and threw some dialectric in there and it works like a champ.
I have a 2012 with neither radiator fan nor AC compressor fan coming on. Shop recommends replacing both fans, coolant temp sensor, and fan relay (controller). I’m thinking to try the relay first- is the compressor fan tied into the same relay? If so, I could see why neither fan works if the relay is bad.
I’m not sure if it controls both, but it’s a cheap enough fix to try and see! You could try hard wire fan controller directly from battery to see if that fixes fans, that would tell you if the controller is bad.
Did you have any luck, this is the exact problem I am having. AC compressor and these fans stopped same time, fans good direct, checked fuses, replaced this relay and controller.
When does both fan supposed to start? I have a sedona 2010 and i've noticed that they dont start running until my air conditioning is on. Its it supposed to be like that? Also on my kia sportage 2019 is the same way.
I always start with the “simple” things first, & rule things out by process of elimination. 1. check for coolant - if full u know hoses are prob good, otherwise there’d be a leak that you’d notice. 2. Try to think of how your vehicle acts normally- while it’s running sitting in the driveway, you normally hear the fans kick on once it starts getting warm to help cool the motor- this is what I noticed on the van, that I could not hear the fans kick on as it got hot. This told me there was a fan issue, or a thermostat issue because thermostat plays a big part.
@@thejoki04 well I just discovered my cooling fans are not running. Also we are leaking antifreeze. Near the bottom I think. We are actually actively working on it today.
the lower connection is not ground. It's 12VDC and draws a lot of current (powers both fans). Measuring 12V at the connector does not mean it working (fooled me for days). If the connector cannot pass enough current, the fans won't run. Clean it well and check any upstream splices.
I have 12v on 3 of the 4 terminals of the relay when plugged in, a new fan controller, and I verified both fans work when direct powered. Still looking for the actual ground
Any suggestion on fixing the ground wire as the clip broke (extremely frail ) having similar issue ? can i buy just the clip to go over the ground wire ? what are my options?
I would look inside the clip to see if the metal pieces are still in there. If they are, I would put them on and electrical tape it to secure it. You could also cut the wire & hard wire an alligator clip on, then tape it.
Thank you for this video, I am having the same issues just replaced the thermostat and cooling sensor but I think it was a waste of time has to be that relay or fan control module
Man this prolly helped me I haven’t tried anything as I just watched but my ground burns the connection in the module think I need to check the relay cuz I tested the amps in one of the fans and the ground and it doesn’t seem it’s pulling too much amps still tryna figure it out
on my case i had the same issue but is the bottom plug that the cable has a the den metal inside any idea what that relay number? i have a kia sedona 2012
HI EVERYONE i HAVE 2007 KIA GRAND CARNIVAL RECENTLY RADIATOR FANS STOPPED WORKING AFTER THERMOSTAT WAS STUCK CLOSED I HAVE REMOVED THERMOSTAT , CHANGED COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR. I HAVE REPLACED FAN CONTROLLER UNIT AND ONE OF RELAY AS WELL IF I UNPLUG COOLANT TEMP SENSOR THEN FANS WILL COME ON. BUT WITH SENSOR PLUGGED NO FANS EVEN IF I TURN AIRCON ON IS IT LIKELY ANY OTHER SENSOR ???
Make sure the car gets up to temperature when testing the new coolant temp sensor, they will not kick on until the engine is hot. If the car is warm & fans not kicking on with coolant temp sensor, you could’ve gotten a bad sensor.
Sorry, I did not get the notification of your comment. My relay was mounted to the front right by the radiator. It had a rubber boot over the top protecting it & was mounted on a plastic tab.
HELLO GOT SAME ISSUE. WHAT IS THE PART NUMBER OF THE FAN RELAY ON VIDEO 1.24 NOT THE RUBBER COVER WHERE RELAY IS INSERTED , THE NUMBER ON ACTUAL RELAY /MINE IS SO FADED I CANT SEE NUMBER
John Doe 95% sure it was the module because the driver's side fan was still blowing great before we replaced either. If it was the relay, I don't think either would've worked.
RELAY PN IS 95210-4D000. SHORT CORD POWER WIRE TO CONTROLLER IS WRK4K-MA63. BETTER TO REPLACE THE SHORT CORD TO THE CONTROLLER THAN TO HALFASS IT WITH ELECTRICAL PASTE AND A CRIMP JOB.
Mo Tam I've heard that a poor fan motor on either side can cause the module to go bad also. I would double-check the fan speeds on both sides when they startup to see if one seems to start slower, or spin slower than the other. Did you check the relay for the module? It could be that also.
thejoki04. Relay is definitely good. Did a code reset and P0480 hasn't come back after a few hours of driving. Fans are running now. will check fan speed. thanks
Need Ground! I fixed my whit just $5 I put 3 cable of ground directly from battery. 3 spots 1- screw in cover valve 2- trotter admission and 3- body car. That better for any cars.
Looking for a part number for the relay. Mine is a 4 terminal relay. Not sure if it's a Type A (normally open) or Type B (normally closed) relay. Anyone know? ***UPDATE*** Here’s the relay: Ehdis Car Relay 4 Pin 12v 40amp Spst Model No.: JD2912-1H-12VDC 40A 14VDC, Auto Switches & Starters, 2 Pack www.amazon.com/dp/B01J53IH5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-csjBbCJB2BKN
It’s proven tough to find a part number, but I believe it’s normally closed until it gets the signal. I’d say just hit your parts store & plug & play with a new one.
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I have a 2012 Kia Sedona, and I think this video hit the nail on the head again thank you
You da man! I pulled out all the leads and tested the fans with a wire to the battery. They worked. I then checked the ground wire and it was fully clipped in, but loose inside. After cleaning and gentle reconnection, the fans came to life! MWA HA HA HA HA!!!!! NO MONEY FOR YOU, KIA SPARE PARTS SHOP!!!!!!
Excellent! So great to hear!
Where is the ground? I found the Relay switching battery to the module, replaced it, replaced the controller, both fans work directly off 12 volt.
I have a 2007 Sedona and this happened to me. I replaced the fan module, and it was not the problem. I did find that the bottom connector you talk about was bad. It overheated and was corroded. I cleaned up the ends with a wire brush, and placed some electronic paste on it. I then crimped the fitting to make it tighter. I also took the relay off, and replaced it, ($25 at the dealer). Once everything was on, i reset the code and drove around. It has now been 2 years with no over heating.
mywickedness thanks for sharing! That is going to save someone a lot of headache & money while repairing theirs. They do not give away those fan modules..
Looking for a part number for the relay. Can you share?
awesome, my "kia dealer" keeps replacing the fan control module which fixes the issue for a few weeks.
What was a problem? I have this truble right now
Thanks for the video mate. You showed me all the component locations. I was lucky, the relay contacts had waxy grease on them causing high resistance. Cleaned up and both fans now working.
Paul Cragg my pleasure! I'm glad you were able to get off the easy way!
Hey what did you use to clean the guey parts? Im having same issue
Hey there. Great video! I just recently got a 2006 Kia Sedona LX from a good friend of mine. The A/C doesn't work in it. Don't know if it's the clutch or what. After I watched a different video on TH-cam, I wanted to see if the fans were running. I started the van, looked under the hood. Neither fan runs. The van doesn't overheat. Temp gauge shows a little below half. So the fans only come on at certain times?
Correct, the fans only kick on when the engine temp starts to rise. If they don’t kick on when your engine temp rises then you could have an issue like I posted.
@@thejoki04 The temp gauge rises a only to a little under halfway. I can't hear the fans come on but at the same time, I have the blower on full speed. I guess the fans wouldn't come on until the temp gauge started getting towards hot?
You are correct. If you have your a/c on max & your engine temp is not rising to the point that your fans kick on, your fan relays are most likely fine & it’s a problem with the a/c. If u want to test your fans just leave the car running for awhile & eventually they should kick on as the engine temp rises.
For your a/c I would start by depleting the Freon, then recharging them with some cans from Walmart. I recommend using a warm wash cloth/towel to wrap the a/c cans in while you recharge, shaking them continuously as it will push more Freon. Sometimes if you try to recharge the a/c Freon without depleting it, it may not work.
With your car running and full a/c on blast, you should hear your a/c compressor kick on & off at some point. If it’s low on Freon it probably won’t. Could be a Freon issue, or a bad compressor.
I just got one of those Van's. What's your opinion of them? Pretty solid good van? It reminds me of an expensive Toyota Van. Mines overheating a bit though. Are the KIA's on Toyota's level?
I loved the van other than this minor issue which was solved pretty quickly. It was always a strong runner & had a lot of power.
I pulled a 20’ car hauler trailer with mine over 700 miles(empty of course).
Thanks for this video, the mechanic said the module was bad but when I checked the ground plug it was corroded and not even plugged in. I'll need to replace that or connect with alligator clips. I am having trouble disconnecting the plug above the ground - do you have any tips on how to do that?
If I remember correctly it was a normal plug that you press on the back of to disengage the plastic clip, then pull backwards on it.
@@thejoki04 thanks so much, it was stuck so that's why just pressing down on the clip wasn't working which is why I was wondering if there was something else I had to do. I had to use a screwdriver to help lever the plug out after depressing the clip.
Excellent!
Thanks for pointing out the relay. The book says it's in the engine fuse box. I had seen the relay but was not sure until i saw your video. My failure is identical to yours except no problems with the passenger fan motor.
Also, with everything on and working well on the ac, I am getting no voltage out of the module outputs to the fans.
I will check the ground and test the relay in the morning.
I am more than happy to help!!
the fan control modules go on these things too, probably becase of the bad ground. mine went a few months after fixing this bad ground issue. Be really careful taking off the ground wire connector, it's easily broken, mine broke, the one at the wrecking yard was broke too. i found a controller on amazon for 90 bucks that seems to be working ok, no luck with $20 one i got at pick n pull.
Thank you for sharing!
check under the cap of the diagnostic dongle hanging in there, I found tons of green goblin shorting it out, it was hanging upside down and the cap was collecting water I think.
what was that relay called? no one is listing a fan control module power relay on their websites
I think it’s just a generic relay. I would take it off & bring it with you parts store & find a match.
@@thejoki04 I bet the slow fan motor (bad bearing) causes the control module to burn out, good call on changing it too, bad ground will too.
thanks for making the video, 100 kar karma points for you!
.....follow up....
it was just the bad ground on the bottom plug, I took it off cleaned the contacts and threw some dialectric in there and it works like a champ.
Best of luck!!
Hi Thanks alot for this video . Do this 2006
kia has dual fans?
Yes!
I have a 2012 with neither radiator fan nor AC compressor fan coming on. Shop recommends replacing both fans, coolant temp sensor, and fan relay (controller). I’m thinking to try the relay first- is the compressor fan tied into the same relay? If so, I could see why neither fan works if the relay is bad.
I’m not sure if it controls both, but it’s a cheap enough fix to try and see! You could try hard wire fan controller directly from battery to see if that fixes fans, that would tell you if the controller is bad.
Its probably the ground on my 09 Sedona the ground comes loose every few months
Did you have any luck, this is the exact problem I am having. AC compressor and these fans stopped same time, fans good direct, checked fuses, replaced this relay and controller.
Robert 123 Where is the actual ground
When does both fan supposed to start? I have a sedona 2010 and i've noticed that they dont start running until my air conditioning is on. Its it supposed to be like that? Also on my kia sportage 2019 is the same way.
They will kick on when the temperature of your engine gets too hot & calls for it.
How do you know if it's a hose or coolant fan or what? My issue with this crap is that I literally just don't know how to diagnose the issues!
I always start with the “simple” things first, & rule things out by process of elimination. 1. check for coolant - if full u know hoses are prob good, otherwise there’d be a leak that you’d notice. 2. Try to think of how your vehicle acts normally- while it’s running sitting in the driveway, you normally hear the fans kick on once it starts getting warm to help cool the motor- this is what I noticed on the van, that I could not hear the fans kick on as it got hot. This told me there was a fan issue, or a thermostat issue because thermostat plays a big part.
@@thejoki04 well I just discovered my cooling fans are not running. Also we are leaking antifreeze. Near the bottom I think. We are actually actively working on it today.
That sucks. Squeeze hoses to see if it leaks out anywhere.
This site should help:
www.700r4transmissionhq.com/kia-sedona-radiator-leak/
@@thejoki04 Awesome! Thank you! Edit: Dude. This sight is EXACTLY what i needed. Thanks again.
the lower connection is not ground. It's 12VDC and draws a lot of current (powers both fans). Measuring 12V at the connector does not mean it working (fooled me for days). If the connector cannot pass enough current, the fans won't run. Clean it well and check any upstream splices.
I have 12v on 3 of the 4 terminals of the relay when plugged in, a new fan controller, and I verified both fans work when direct powered. Still looking for the actual ground
Did you have problems starting it when it for hot¿
Yes
Any suggestion on fixing the ground wire as the clip broke (extremely frail ) having similar issue ? can i buy just the clip to go over the ground wire ? what are my options?
I would look inside the clip to see if the metal pieces are still in there. If they are, I would put them on and electrical tape it to secure it. You could also cut the wire & hard wire an alligator clip on, then tape it.
So, the problems is the ground cable!
I think so!!
THANKS I have that problem right now
Thanks for the video
Thank you for this video, I am having the same issues just replaced the thermostat and cooling sensor but I think it was a waste of time has to be that relay or fan control module
Man this prolly helped me I haven’t tried anything as I just watched but my ground burns the connection in the module think I need to check the relay cuz I tested the amps in one of the fans and the ground and it doesn’t seem it’s pulling too much amps still tryna figure it out
on my case i had the same issue but is the bottom plug that the cable has a the den metal inside any idea what that relay number? i have a kia sedona 2012
See the comment from Neil Tripoli, he provided a part number that may match
Thanks .... it was very helpful
You’re welcome!
HI EVERYONE
i HAVE 2007 KIA GRAND CARNIVAL
RECENTLY RADIATOR FANS STOPPED WORKING AFTER THERMOSTAT WAS STUCK CLOSED
I HAVE REMOVED THERMOSTAT , CHANGED COOLANT TEMPERATURE SENSOR.
I HAVE REPLACED FAN CONTROLLER UNIT AND ONE OF RELAY AS WELL
IF I UNPLUG COOLANT TEMP SENSOR THEN FANS WILL COME ON. BUT WITH SENSOR PLUGGED NO FANS EVEN IF I TURN AIRCON ON
IS IT LIKELY ANY OTHER SENSOR ???
Make sure the car gets up to temperature when testing the new coolant temp sensor, they will not kick on until the engine is hot.
If the car is warm & fans not kicking on with coolant temp sensor, you could’ve gotten a bad sensor.
@@thejoki04 tried it , it overheats when sensor plugged in and fans don’t kick on
I would try a new sensor if I haven’t
@@thejoki04 coolant temp sensor replaced as well , do you think of any other sensors ?
I am sorry, I can’t think of any.
when you say relay you talking about the ac control relay?
Sorry, I did not get the notification of your comment. My relay was mounted to the front right by the radiator. It had a rubber boot over the top protecting it & was mounted on a plastic tab.
HELLO GOT SAME ISSUE. WHAT IS THE PART NUMBER OF THE FAN RELAY ON VIDEO 1.24 NOT THE RUBBER COVER WHERE RELAY IS INSERTED ,
THE NUMBER ON ACTUAL RELAY /MINE IS SO FADED I CANT SEE NUMBER
Genuine Hyundai 95210-4D000 Power Relay Assembly
95% sure this is what you’re looking for.
This is the number that is on mine.
mine says 95210-4D000 ON RUBBER COVER and the relay inside is kg8jr-72r.
CAN'T FIND ON ANY AUTO PARTS LOCAL OR EBAY BUT FOUND ON KIA PARTS TODAY.
THANK U
Glad you were able to figure it out!
so was it the relay or the module?
John Doe 95% sure it was the module because the driver's side fan was still blowing great before we replaced either. If it was the relay, I don't think either would've worked.
RELAY PN IS 95210-4D000. SHORT CORD POWER WIRE TO CONTROLLER IS WRK4K-MA63. BETTER TO REPLACE THE SHORT CORD TO THE CONTROLLER THAN TO HALFASS IT WITH ELECTRICAL PASTE AND A CRIMP JOB.
Thanks for the addition!
What change and how to change ????
Cooling fan module on the back of the radiator
were is the relay located?
Mine was attached to a bracket that attaches to the ride side of the radiator.
When does the fan go on ?
I forget the exact temp, but If your temp gauge is a little over half it should kick in.
guys, how to replace lower radiator hose?
Same problem here. Changed the control module. It was good for 2 weeks and same failure came back.....I'm frustrated
Mo Tam I've heard that a poor fan motor on either side can cause the module to go bad also. I would double-check the fan speeds on both sides when they startup to see if one seems to start slower, or spin slower than the other. Did you check the relay for the module? It could be that also.
thejoki04. Relay is definitely good. Did a code reset and P0480 hasn't come back after a few hours of driving. Fans are running now. will check fan speed. thanks
S Tam see the latest comment in this video, another guy found out that the ground could’ve been his issue.
Need Ground! I fixed my whit just $5
I put 3 cable of ground directly from battery. 3 spots
1- screw in cover valve
2- trotter admission and
3- body car.
That better for any cars.
Sitting still makes it over heat control module
I recommend you clean the engine and change the air filter!
RBG0979 thank you for the video
You are good
RBG0979 I changed the air filter, the engine could definitely use a good cleaning, thank you!
I see everything but a replacement and install of thermostat, in a 2006 Kia Sedona
Have you seen my other video showing how to replace it?
th-cam.com/video/kNn8T3dvmQw/w-d-xo.html
In the red? Mu siater has same one
It should be before it gets to red
My 2006 sedona was pinging during this time.
dont get a new module you probably need a connector my melted and i got one for $40.
Excellent!
Looking for a part number for the relay. Mine is a 4 terminal relay. Not sure if it's a Type A (normally open) or Type B (normally closed) relay. Anyone know?
***UPDATE***
Here’s the relay:
Ehdis Car Relay 4 Pin 12v 40amp Spst Model No.: JD2912-1H-12VDC 40A 14VDC, Auto Switches & Starters, 2 Pack www.amazon.com/dp/B01J53IH5M/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_-csjBbCJB2BKN
It’s proven tough to find a part number, but I believe it’s normally closed until it gets the signal. I’d say just hit your parts store & plug & play with a new one.
Get my assembly fan today hope its not the sensor
Did you order a new control module?