Ultra light VORON 0.1 X-Beam

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  • www.etsy.com/ch/listing/16115...
    Voron 0.2 Gantry-Editions are available now.
    Big thanks to @fail_fast for testing the X-Beams!
    See it in a working Printer: • #FLSUNSpeedBoatRace 24:27
    Link to his build video: • Video
    Music by Lindstedt: / lindstedt
    Track: / stay
    / primesenator
    / failfastv0
    If you want to support my future projects:
    www.patreon.com/user?u=83070253

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  • @PiefacePete46
    @PiefacePete46 2 ปีที่แล้ว +121

    Having read a bunch of the comments, all telling you what you should do, using machines you don't have, from materials you can't get, I have a simple solution. Mount it on a polished hardwood base, and keep it as a piece of sculpture. It is a beautiful thing!
    Thanks for your video.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Thanks! Currently V0.1 and V0.2 are in a small glass show case.

  • @aaronlawrence1507
    @aaronlawrence1507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ich finde deine Präsentation ist dir gut gelungen, da es sehr viele Bilder hatte und somit anschaulich war.
    Du hast flüssig gesprochen und ich fande alles gut.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Danke, bekomm ich jetzt n sternchen ins Heft?

    • @MoritzSimon03
      @MoritzSimon03 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Danke für dein tolles Feedback, gutes Feedback mit vielen guten Aspekten. Dein Feedback war top! Weiter so, gerne auch nächstes Mal mit guten Feedback, merci fürs Feedback. LG M

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ja vielen Dank, man merkt Du hast Dir mühe gegeben bei dem Aufsatz. Ich finde das toll und ja, weiter so!

  • @danbrit9848
    @danbrit9848 2 ปีที่แล้ว +225

    It looks like the beams for rock concerts ....but as a theater tech I can say there's a reason why....it's the strongest and lightest way to make vary strong structures ...good job it looks so clean

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      thanks :)

    • @GusCraft460
      @GusCraft460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      The answer is triangles are strong.

    • @hardwareful
      @hardwareful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@GusCraft460 There's also this cool oldschool film on the rectangular beam profile, "Strength of Structural Shapes: Angles, Channels and Beams": th-cam.com/video/8Ob2tVP5miE/w-d-xo.html
      These structure are real marvels of engineering, yet so humble.

    • @weareallbeingwatched4602
      @weareallbeingwatched4602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Or a crane

    • @_B.C_
      @_B.C_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I’m here because the yt algorithm figured out I want to 3D model a rock concert stage…

  • @TheCrafsMan
    @TheCrafsMan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Wow! This is not the type of video I normally see, but I'm glad it was recommended. Super impressed that you accomplished this under the circumstances! The design is incredible and I'm floored you got it down to such a light weight!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad to hear that you enjoyed it even if it is not your type of content :)

  • @premiumbasics
    @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    Edit: The stock X-Beam is ≈ 43 grams.
    Edit 2: Sorry for the Ads, currently the button to disable them is missing for me :/
    I will make sure to swear in the next video, so that TH-cam will not put Ads in front my Videos whiteout my consent ;)
    Edit 3 (07.June.2022) :
    Wow, I really don’t know why YT recommends this video to so many people. I thought all the geeks who are interested have seen it after 5k views, now its at 183k !
    This allowed me to apply for the TH-cam Partner Program. If i get approved to it, I probably leave the ads activated on this Video & here is why:
    -The intended audience for this video had to “endure” the ads, so it seems fair that everyone else gets served ads too (on this video at least).
    -Benefit for the community. 50% of the revenue will go to subsidise the first 50-100 beams (still working on setting that up with a CNC shop nearby). This way every interested (future) Voron0 owner can get one for a good price.
    -faster progress with the CNC. The other 50% of the revenue will go towards the new CNC machine which I will build and document on this channel. On this CNC I will machine other Voron X-Beams in the future…
    I hope that is okay and makes a bit sense :)

    • @at0mic282
      @at0mic282 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      One Question though: Why don't just use the linear rail and only manufacture attachments left and right?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hmm, have to test how stiff the linear rail itself is.. I could imagine that the small mgn7 rail would flex too much…

    • @Bakafish
      @Bakafish 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nice work! A few thoughts: 1) A triangular profile would make more sense if you are only using a single rail. 2) Magnesium. 3) As someone who's building their own CNC, I wouldn't give up on the Nomad so quickly. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush...

    • @Larock-wu1uu
      @Larock-wu1uu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@at0mic282 Exactly my thought. But who doesn't love some nice over-engimeering? :D

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks! Yeah triangular would be a great choice, but i am a bit lazy… for a triangular beam i would have to redesign the mounts and 4 treads right on the edge of the profile ;)
      Magnesium sounds awesome, sadly my favourite material shop does not have that.
      Don’t worry, i won’t discard the Nomad, it is my first machine and my baby ;)

  • @yelectric1893
    @yelectric1893 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is a high-end spaceship component. Great job.

  • @renaissanceman5847
    @renaissanceman5847 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    the issue is not only stiffness when building a structure for machining... the issue is also its ability to resist and dampen vibrations. This is why older Cast Iron mills and lathes are prized. The trick is to find a balance between the two. Cast Iron is known for its ability to absorb vibration and the very reason some of the most accurate CNC machines still use it as part of the underlying structure with modern linear rails and ball screws. There is even a few custom lathes made with granite at its core (search YT)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And a granite CNC is just what I will build ;) The Videos form @Piotr Fox Wysocki are a great starting point....

    • @Eluderatnight
      @Eluderatnight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Syil machines are epoxy granite core.

    • @wombleofwimbledon5442
      @wombleofwimbledon5442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I saw someone do stress tests on different materials. They found that aluminum struts, supported by epoxy/granite casting approached cast iron in stability and vibration damping. Good to know. They used charts!

    • @jsassu20
      @jsassu20 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah but what’s real dope When you learn about things like electro-chemical machining which almost anyone with a tub of water and cheap 12 volt dc power supply can use in their bathtub to produce highly accurate metal components with the type of tolerances required which until now have only been capable on the use of industrial equipment which most individuals wouldn’t have had the access to or an understanding of how to use.
      With ecm you can take a piece of metal and transform its shape into a new one for some benefit that would be possible with nothing more needed to do so than water and electricity and patience.
      That means precision manufacturing capability is becoming an available tool in the general public which will only foster revolutionary inventions that wouldn’t have come to exist if the industrial sector had the benefit of precision manufacturing all to themselves

  • @jamescrud
    @jamescrud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That's a really nice beam. I question the need for the weight savings but as a machine designer I can appreciate it's aesthetic and engineering. Nice job.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Thanks, every second counts while printing the speedboat-race challenge, so every gram saved brings an advantage :)

    • @orppranator5230
      @orppranator5230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Take for example the moving axis on a CNC machine, where a structure needs to support a linear bearing. That needs to be light so that the motors which control the movement don’t have to overcome a lot of inertia.

    • @brandonsmoot4056
      @brandonsmoot4056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      At 20Gs of acceleration the reduction of 5grams is helps remove 100gram force of load on the servos/steppers

    • @jamescrud
      @jamescrud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@brandonsmoot4056 Is it even possible for a stepper to develop 20Gs or are you just throwing out a number? Seems a little unrealistic to me. 20G is 196m/sec sq. Think abour that for a minute.
      5G maybe but 20? I doubt it.

    • @brandonsmoot4056
      @brandonsmoot4056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamescrud this is about 145m/s^2 so my ball park number is actually pretty accurate especially for a even higher speed print.
      th-cam.com/video/JdVZZ4i2dS8/w-d-xo.html

  • @fredpinczuk7352
    @fredpinczuk7352 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That beam is a work of art. I would have it on my desk just as show piece.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you are interested, they are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @diraziz396
    @diraziz396 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ohh. That's a proper tiny rig. Great to see. thanks for going all the way to Do it right.

  • @wombleofwimbledon5442
    @wombleofwimbledon5442 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Buckminster Fuller invented these. They were called space frames. Now envision one whose struts are in turn made of the same configuration, and go down. Fractal!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be nolife at its best ^^

  • @rodneyolinger7955
    @rodneyolinger7955 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    congrats on getting into hackaday! I hope you do more youtube content because I think you have the skills and creativity. I like this video style. Good fortune in the future

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for letting me know! :D

  • @account0199
    @account0199 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My god theese look amazing, I only got into 3d printing less than a year ago when I bought my ender 5. Then discovered the voron project and have been ruminating the idea of building one at some point. Theese beams you made would make such an incredible kit.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! :)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you are interested, they are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @hardwareful
    @hardwareful 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The one thing that jumps out at me is that the zig-zags on two sides sharing an edge don't seem to have the same pitch. Commercial square truss is made such that it is made without a point ending in an unsupported beam segment. I assume this is to prevent buckling, but would also translate into a stiffness issue.
    Commenting also for the engagement metric, so please ignore this probably being a redundant statement.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Yes the side with M2 Threads has a different spacing because of the hole spacing in the linear rail :/ Will try to improve it in the next version.

    • @vinnycordeiro
      @vinnycordeiro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@premiumbasics There's a mod for the V0.1 carriage to allow using MGN9 rails, just because its author hates M2 screws with passion and wanted to use M3 hardware.

  • @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156
    @hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Always nice to know someone I could order some of those from for various craft projects. Subscribed!

  • @caramelzappa
    @caramelzappa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super cool idea. I love the idea of custom machined truss for our moving structural parts. Looking forward to your future CNC upgrade and the production of these.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It will be a long and interesting journey to my new CNC :)

  • @julienboucaron9780
    @julienboucaron9780 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice job. Delicate and not easy to produce. The part is beautiful.

  • @BlueOceanDesigns
    @BlueOceanDesigns 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks great...One day you will look back at this project standing in front of your very own 5axis machine...and smile...:)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks! I hope so, in my imagination i can see it already standing in front of me :D

    • @randomname4726
      @randomname4726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@premiumbasics It's amazing how quickly these moments can come about sometimes. Man, I could have some real fun with a 5 axis CNC (after many hours of learning to not break it lol).

  • @timg.413
    @timg.413 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would just like to say thanks for the awesome x axis beam. I'll be sure to post some video of it being included in my build! Part is incredibly light and I'm glad it ships in a heavy duty protective tube to protect it.

  • @senorjp21
    @senorjp21 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really cool. It would be interesting if you load the beam with e.g. 5 kg and measure the deflection, and compare the deflection with carbon fiber and 80/20. Low weight is great, but rigidity is important, too.

  • @rbaker73
    @rbaker73 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really Nice CNC Work

  • @cdl1701
    @cdl1701 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive if only for how awesome it looks. Nice job on the CNC work!

  • @davidmizak4642
    @davidmizak4642 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to thank you for the amazing information you provide to your viewers. This is fascinating material. I appreciate all of your efforts. Many thanks!

  • @jgdovin1
    @jgdovin1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just ordered one, looking forward to receiving it

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! Hope you like it :)

  • @Dave-wv9vc
    @Dave-wv9vc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I must say this is beautiful work.

  • @_Xantras_
    @_Xantras_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    With this, along with belted Z-axis and mini stealthburner, it looks like the V 0.2 is coming !!

    • @v1Broadcaster
      @v1Broadcaster 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Except that vorons are principally designed around common off the shelf easy to source parts not bespoke customs ones, unfortunately for this masterpiece . Makes for a very nice modification though.

    • @_Xantras_
      @_Xantras_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wouldn't be so pessimistic. If the files for the CNC router become open source, manufacturers can produce beams like this and we could see LDO Motors or Formbot sell them as an upgrade.

  • @victormanuelgonzaleznorieg2478
    @victormanuelgonzaleznorieg2478 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing project, I love It.

  • @AaronSchwarz42
    @AaronSchwarz42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Vert cool design & good work with tenacity for the execution & nice explanation

  • @paulatreides6779
    @paulatreides6779 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Working with big CNCs on daily basis, I know very well how hard/time consuming/nerves wrecking it is to make something like that.
    Kudos for this!

  • @FrankRoark
    @FrankRoark ปีที่แล้ว

    This makes me want to try and make one on my mill. Beautiful design!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, you can do that this design is available on my website (in the description) :)

  • @scottwatrous
    @scottwatrous 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This looks really cool! No idea why it was recommended to me, but pretty impressive machining for the mill you're using, very nice work. If you need any help with machining small batches in the meantime let me know, I have a small shop with a Haas VF2, and do prototypes and the like for my own designs, but do the occasional small run of stuff for people as well and this would be a fun project. But I understand wanting to DIY so good luck in any case.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for Your offer and good wishes :) I don’t know either why this video gets recommended to so many people. It was originally intended for a small circle of 3D printer modders :D

    • @snowgorilla9789
      @snowgorilla9789 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@premiumbasics I'm here for the gun channels, but this is fascinating and as a steel fabricator it is great to see "the big stuff" in micro versions! Good luck and maybe consider spray cooling, made mine cheap for my mini mill.

  • @bruce-le-smith
    @bruce-le-smith 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is very cool, thanks and congrats! Subscribed

  • @craigkeller
    @craigkeller 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Impressive. Thank you 🙏

  • @slamoto2
    @slamoto2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thats such a beautiful work!

  • @Apophis-en9pi
    @Apophis-en9pi ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching you run the bearing block back and forth without the rubber stoppers at the end significantly raised my blood pressure lol. You got so close to the end one time!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      One day I will make a compilation of close calls for you xD

    • @Apophis-en9pi
      @Apophis-en9pi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics 😂 Gonna give me a heart attack.

  • @KenzoLeong
    @KenzoLeong 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Even though it took a long time, but you have achieved something great. Grats.

  • @digitalrain5800
    @digitalrain5800 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I also need one for my voron 0.1 Great job

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      They are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @Vez3D
    @Vez3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    very nice work !! love it

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! Love your builds, they are so clean and amazing! :D

  • @RacinJsn
    @RacinJsn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Change your milling strategy, full penetration spiral entry .8 dia of tool, .01 radial engagement per pass, and climb mill. Predrill the corners possibly increase speed as well.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good idea to pre-drill the corners! :D Thanks :)

    • @RacinJsn
      @RacinJsn 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also spiral entry can be helped by drilling the center point of the spiral will prevent material jacking. Use self centering tip type drill and cobalt works best for aluminum. Don't go with feeds and speeds from machinery's handbook though. Co drills work good on 6k+ rpm range.

  • @NeverFearDevenisHere
    @NeverFearDevenisHere 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow this is amazing!

  • @apollyon7573
    @apollyon7573 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Side note its looks awesome too! Good luck!

  • @SneakersKicksCreps
    @SneakersKicksCreps 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Looks good keep going 👍👍

  • @randomname4726
    @randomname4726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent work!

  • @bigboy9693
    @bigboy9693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a machinist, try using a spray bottle filled with kerosene, sprayed onto the surface you are machining, it does not need a constant flow, it will lubricate and stop the cutter form building up aluminium on the tool.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the suggestion :)

  • @markifi
    @markifi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i keep coming back to stare at this little beam

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! :D Do you own a Voron 0 printer?

    • @markifi
      @markifi 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics no :D

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      :D you might also like this video then:
      th-cam.com/video/43fgxFqoA7c/w-d-xo.html

  • @StJonny88
    @StJonny88 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome work!

  • @DWIT3D
    @DWIT3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would love to try this on one of my V0.1's Nice job!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks :) Turns out this version has a small flaw (linear rail is 2-3mm to far left). Will notify You after I have made some improved ones.

    • @DWIT3D
      @DWIT3D 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics Sounds good. Currently building my second 0.1, and after that building a 2.4r2. Love the look of that rail. Getting it on live streams would be great marketing for you!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great! I need to build a bigger Voron too some time in the Future. Agreed, it would be great marketing, but great marketing does not help if I can’t produce them on a bigger scale ;)

  • @samheasmanwhite
    @samheasmanwhite 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Very neat!
    For your roughing pass I would recommend trying to cut the full depth in a single pass. You will likely need to cut a small entry pocket with the same pass depths you are using here, but after that you can probably just do the full thickness. And using such small radii on the corners is likely unnecessary, I don't think you gain much from it.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the advice :)

    • @fastindy
      @fastindy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For a profiling operation like this, the cutting force is directly proportional to the depth of the step. If you have a machine with limited stiffness, then reducing the step depth is necessary to prevent chatter.
      If your machine can handle it, I think the best solution is as mentioned. I would pre-drill an entry hole for the end mill to start in. A lot of times a helix entry can generate unpleasant vibrations that really punish the tool. Make sure you take advantage of the chip thinning or peel milling toolpaths that modern CAM software can generate, they can help push the feedrates very fast.

    • @samheasmanwhite
      @samheasmanwhite 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@fastindy Quite true, that's a pretty fiddly job and I have never worked with something that has so little material supporting it.
      I do find that ramp cutting in aluminium is highly dependent on the rake of the end cut of the endmill, if your tool is fairly flat-cut (for durability in steel) then it exerts much more force on the workpiece and gums up more easily in a ramp cut. I kinda like single flute cutters for this reason, they have the most rake you can get, on both the end and side, but do require fairly long ramps or wide helixes. But for optimal cutting speed you should use more flutes while still trying to maximise rake. I think the ideal for soft-ish aluminium is 3 flutes with high rake and no face cut on the end (very pointy), except for tiny tools (

    • @brandonsmoot4056
      @brandonsmoot4056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey Sam, you are rather wrong about the small radii. Having a radius on the part reduces stress risers and adds huge amounts of mechanical strength to the beam which would be lost in sharp corners (think arch vs box)

    • @brandonsmoot4056
      @brandonsmoot4056 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics yeah remember to predrill 20% or more bigger than the tool you are inserting so it doesn't catch the walls and can evacuate chips

  • @partyalldaypartyallnight1057
    @partyalldaypartyallnight1057 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    you earned yourself a subscriber. thanks.

  • @citicolina
    @citicolina 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have no idea what this is for but the engineer in me couldn’t resist. It looks really slick.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! It is for a Voron0 printer, to get even more speed out of it ;)
      (Example video of a Voron0):
      th-cam.com/video/a6XRs-g6ngw/w-d-xo.html

  • @derektoy4444
    @derektoy4444 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful piece of work. I would love to replace alum extrusions on my printer with those

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! will add another comment here if they are available :)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @Flapdr01
    @Flapdr01 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Now that's more like it.

  • @stephensimpson5283
    @stephensimpson5283 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice mate!

  • @kevinz4952
    @kevinz4952 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a cool design and build, if this could be purchased I would love to get one!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! Will comment here if they are available :)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @bryanst.martin7134
    @bryanst.martin7134 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Check out some peristaltic pumps to use to flow coolant. Some are DC motors, others are stepper motor driven. A small orifice sprinkler spray nozzle can be mounted alongside the vacuum nozzle or on the spindle. I like your work!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the advice, will decide on a pump later on in my CNC project :)

  • @AliBaba__
    @AliBaba__ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Очень нужная структура 👍👍👍

  • @Rockhopper1
    @Rockhopper1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    for cooling secure the aluminium tubing within a coolant bath

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would also be a option, but coolant will splash everywhere :P

  • @Psychsoulman
    @Psychsoulman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great, now make one for the 500mm Ratrig V-Core 3.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Would do it immediately if i had already built my CNC :D

  • @sierraecho884
    @sierraecho884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your result is great and it took you a lot of work. For anyone who wants to improve on their machine by reducing weight. Just drill a bunch of holes in a aluminum beam or use carbon fiber, it will be 1000x less hassle.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Drilling holes would work too, but it is 1000x less fun :P

    • @sierraecho884
      @sierraecho884 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics This depends on the definition of "fun" xD

  • @taylorinboden3569
    @taylorinboden3569 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was expecting an ultra bright beam of light.

  • @nirbadt
    @nirbadt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice!

  • @Jandodev
    @Jandodev 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    we've come so far

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is always something more extreme to do… ;)

  • @randydewees7338
    @randydewees7338 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if a kerosene (OMS) mist nozzle would help with the small mills? High quality odorless mineral spirits (OMS) is practically odorless and the consumption is pretty low. It won't clear the chips as well as flood but it might help.

  • @Flightstar
    @Flightstar ปีที่แล้ว

    That type of structure could be used in satellites, robots and drones.That`s what i thought it was for at first. Never occurred that it would be for printers.

  • @figueiredoikeda
    @figueiredoikeda 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    whoa

  • @anasqai
    @anasqai ปีที่แล้ว

    Issit mirror and magnifying glass to keep bouncing off each other then shoots at the end? The movement is to create level of heat? Maybe a cheap laser pointer? Increasing a laser's strength?

  • @davidosborne5057
    @davidosborne5057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Would make a great quadcopter frame!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Only if You plan to never crash it ;)

  • @pseudo_goose
    @pseudo_goose 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much weight savings do you get from making the inner corners sharper? Or is there another reason to do it?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know, went simply for the tightest corners i could make with my endmills :)

  • @hipphipphurra77
    @hipphipphurra77 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What for are you milling the inner part of the triangles?

  • @renatomsgomes
    @renatomsgomes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool great channel

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      thanks :)

    • @renatomsgomes
      @renatomsgomes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics i know you can make money and so on. But try to do open source stuff too this helps you get ideas feedback honestly. And them keep some other stuff not open source.

  • @P8ntbaLLA56
    @P8ntbaLLA56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you use a v shaped chamfer mill to make it all one operation (no tool changes)? You can use the straight portion of the flute for roughing out the pockets, and the V portion to finish the edges.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think this would work if were no inner corners who need a 1mm end-mill to clean them up..

    • @P8ntbaLLA56
      @P8ntbaLLA56 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics if you don't have a sidewall in those corners, the V could possibly do that part as well.

  • @dave_ecclectic
    @dave_ecclectic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the linear slide that bolts on to it? isn't it kind of thick, chunky and heavy?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, its pretty heavy… But some people bolt even bigger ones to the X-Beam to reduce play…

  • @RetiredRhetoricalWarhorse
    @RetiredRhetoricalWarhorse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It took some googling to find out what this part was for...
    Now that I know this is from my 3d printing rabbit hole, I can calmly banish it from my mind... I can't even get my Vyper to print anything good, I'm certainly not going to waste even more time on this :D.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are not wasting more time on 3D printing in general? Would be a mistake in my opinion ;)

  • @danhyde7501
    @danhyde7501 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I haven’t even built the v0 yet but already planning to include this haha. Can see see a full build with it?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! There is no complete build out yet, @Fail Fast! will probably finish the first build with it in the next livestream he makes. Make sure to check him out :)

  • @rrtsduf
    @rrtsduf ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice, now take my money

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, it will be available very soon. ;)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      They are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @questioning3388
    @questioning3388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you started with triangular tubing instead of square you could save a few grams. would also let you make the 3d printed ends that connect to the Y axis a bit lighter

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, but i am too lazy to redesign the mounts for the X-Beam ;)

  • @queazocotal
    @queazocotal 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I wonder about a rather more brutal approach. Triangles of intersecting holes, and a simple jig to hold the part as you power through it with a drill press.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nice idea, let me know if You make one :)

  • @rfitzgerald2004
    @rfitzgerald2004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These look incredible, I really really like the look of this.
    Would it be possible to slightly adjust the design so that they could be made in longer lengths and maybe trimmed to the needed size at certain intervals?
    I'd love to buy some when they go on sale :)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting idea!

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      They are now available, check the description of my new video ;)

  • @pseudotasuki
    @pseudotasuki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Milling that on a Nomad was brave.

  • @DavidLindes
    @DavidLindes 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey there. Cool stuff.
    One minor point: the links in the description are a bit confusing. I guess the "See it in Action" video shows a printer made using the beam? And then the "Livestream" link is the one showing the testing... I was expecting the latter for the former, so, maybe there's a different way to word things to make that more clear?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for pointing that out, will take a look at it :)

    • @DavidLindes
      @DavidLindes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics cool; thanks. :)

  • @carlosmorais9897
    @carlosmorais9897 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What forces you use for do the finite element analysis?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I did not do the FE analysis, @Fail Fast! did it for me. He used his toolhead of 100grams at 500k acceleration. His result: Deflection 20 microns and a minimum safety factor of 8 before it yields.
      (Remember this is for V0.1)

    • @carlosmorais9897
      @carlosmorais9897 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics thank u!!

  • @luisvincenttejada7971
    @luisvincenttejada7971 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice work! But why didn't you take a CF square tube and machined it?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! Milling it out from CF would result in short fibres at the thin struts & not hold well..

  • @erg0centric
    @erg0centric 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One dent...
    How much do all those mounting screws weigh? Did you consider adhesive tape like VHB?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know how much the screws weigh… And VHB tape to mount a linear rail at these accelerations seems like a bad idea (to me).

  • @mikesmith7447
    @mikesmith7447 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey brother. Im am a machinist. You don't need flood cooling for this job. For next to no cost compressed air will provide all the cooling you need for this job. And for about $20 you can add a mister to your machine. 😉

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the Advice! Will consider it, if i have to machine a bunch more on that machine ;)

  • @mitchellstrobbe7779
    @mitchellstrobbe7779 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you mill the cf tube into a similar shape to make an even lighter version?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Probably, but then you cut the fibers and it will "crumble" away... If you wanted to make one out of CF you have to use long fibers and make this shape with complex process. The YT Channel "Easy Composites Ltd " has some great videos about CF

  • @chaseweeks2708
    @chaseweeks2708 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wonder what the result would be of putting the CF tube through the same treatment as the metal tube. Since the fibers are not oriented with this sort of operation in mind, might have to make your own using a mandrel, fourth-axis turntable, and hook a pre-preg CF spool up to a CNC to get the fibers running in an appropriate crosshatch pattern... but I bet you could get it down to 10 grams, which is an incredibly time consuming way to shave a few extra grams.

    • @sillysad3198
      @sillysad3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      simply invent a process to fabricate carbon fiber beams with arbitrary holes and the fibers oriented around them.

    • @gnarpoholic
      @gnarpoholic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Search for isotruss!

    • @chaseweeks2708
      @chaseweeks2708 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gnarpoholic It's a cool technology, but difficult to shrink down to the scale that the OP is working with.

  • @winandd8649
    @winandd8649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Premiumbasics Experiment with air cooling your CNC! I have a low noise compressor with a 4 liter air tank and a flex nozzle blowing at the end mill. Occasionally the compressor turns on to build pressure again during milling jobs. Very efficient !
    Note; Earlier I tried fluid cooling in different ways, but it always is very messy and limits the view on you cutter. I don't like it..

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the suggestion :)

    • @Robinlarsson83
      @Robinlarsson83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seems like cooling with denatured ethanol seems like the best way to go for aluminum and high speed machining. Leaves no or very little residues, no mess, and is very beneficial for cutting aluminum.
      Look at for example how Datron does it, their machines and endmills can reach crazy speeds and get fantastic surface finish. The run a lot of small single flute endmills at ~40K RPM on the small machines :)

  • @theofficialczex1708
    @theofficialczex1708 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think the process can be applied to carbon fiber square tube for even more mass reduction?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, the fibers will be too short after milling and crumble i think…

  • @sillysad3198
    @sillysad3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    have you weighted the bolts?
    i c a potential to reduce the number of the bolts by leaving more aluminum material on the face with threads

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no i did not weigh them yet… i recommend using all screws to ensure even distribution of the forces..

    • @sillysad3198
      @sillysad3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics the distribution is still a question of weigh efficiency: all bolts and all bodies work towards the distribution -- which configuration works with less weight?

    • @sillysad3198
      @sillysad3198 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics at first glance, i would put the threaded bulges on intersections of struts. could you imagine the rail creates a load orthogonal to a strut to which it is fastened? -- seems obvious? am i wrong?

  • @561inurface
    @561inurface 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder, how well it will keep its form when in a heated chamber?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The chamber of my Voron0 does not get over 60°C so it should not be a problem…

  • @Garth_42
    @Garth_42 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    One question I have, when you do FEA analysis to see if it is rigid enough, what performance metrics are you looking for? deflections less than 0.1mm at the max accelerations and speeds that are desired? A modal analysis that has certain characteristics?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I designed the V0.1 X-Beam and sent a .step file to @Fail Fast! who did a FEA analysis on it. I don’t know how to do a FEA analysis myself…

  • @sweetxdddd
    @sweetxdddd 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What cnc machine do you have? can i have a link to buy it?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is a modded machine and can’t be bought in this configuration…

  • @matroosoft4589
    @matroosoft4589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Part could probably be made quite cheaply on a tube laser cutter. Then only some edge cleaning and tapping needs to be done afterwards. Nice design BTW 👍

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, if I had a tube laser cutter i would do it :)

  • @stephenbennison438
    @stephenbennison438 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was wondering what the stiffness of the slide rail is on it's own. Couldn't you just make end brackets for the slide rail and save all the trouble?

  • @AlexServirog
    @AlexServirog 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure if it's important on v0.1, termo expansion ratio of CF is very close to steel and as a result combination cf+rail doesn't bend as much in closed chamber. I wander if similar litening technique would work for CF beam on 300mm v2.4

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think termal expansion is neglectable on a V0.1…
      Milling it out from CF would result in short
      fibres at the thin struts & not hold well..

  • @philip_fletcher
    @philip_fletcher 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can the linear rail be used as a structural element? (I'm thinking engines in motorcycles and racing cars)

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am not sure if i can follow Your question :/

    • @philip_fletcher
      @philip_fletcher 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics I think I should have used the term 'stressed member' - ie the linear rail provides a fair bit of strength/stiffness that the X beam then does not have to. I guess you'd have to do the finite element analysis with the rail included?

  • @A1OFFENDER
    @A1OFFENDER 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great work. i subbed :)

  • @Andrew_Fernie
    @Andrew_Fernie 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you need a screw in every hole in the rail ? Have yoyu calculated this?

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      No, i have not calculated it but would suggest putting in a screw in every hole…

  • @drubradley8821
    @drubradley8821 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Right on ! ! ! ! That looks cool. I wonder, if you send one of the finished machined X-BEAM out to get re-anodized, and then, send one out to get heat treated, and then one out to get heat treated then re-anodized, and did a strength comparison to see if the rigidity per cost would be worth it in a structural stress test all compared to the square tube (pre-machined)... That would be exciting to see the battle of the X-BEAMS. Then to run the testing a bit further into a nutty measure of craziness, run them through a whole spectrum of harmonic and resonate frequency battles.. Perhaps, maybe some graphs might show if vibrations and harmonics might start to magnify the longer the machined X-BEAMS are... Based on the idea, of being less weight, for faster more accurate control of the steppers start and stopping action.. But then, there could be a feed back from the harmonics? I don't know, but it would be interesting to see a battle of these examples on graph or some real world testing.. And, for all I know, may not show anything at all, and completely wasted your time as the variables are all but unmeasurable as compared to the base starting point. Good luck,

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha, Thanks for the Idea, if i have too much time left, i will do all of it ;) Will do some basic harmonic testing after i made some longer ones…

    • @randomname4726
      @randomname4726 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Very good ideas.

  • @ColinMacKenzieRobots
    @ColinMacKenzieRobots 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should go for a "mister" on your new CNC. I started with coolant but it's messy, the mister uses far less coolant and still lubricates and clears swarf...much better all around.

    • @premiumbasics
      @premiumbasics  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does it also clear the nasty small chips?
      Maybe i install both xD

    • @ColinMacKenzieRobots
      @ColinMacKenzieRobots 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@premiumbasics I am squeezing the compressed air out through a welding nozzle tip so I found it's a more concentrated/focused blast of air at the tool then when I used those flexible vertebrate lines. Plus less compressed air usage (less noise), and less swarf flying off into my keyboard and all over every nearby surface! The swarf still clears, it just doesnt fly. The mister vaporizes the coolant in with the air so you get cooling (think going out on a windy day wet) and you get lubrication of the tool bit.

    • @ColinMacKenzieRobots
      @ColinMacKenzieRobots 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@premiumbasics (Details) The plumbing is a bit tricky, the incoming air supply is split, one way goes straight to the mixing head (w/ welding nozzle), the other goes to the sealed container of coolant fluid and provides a pressure to push the liquid up into the mixing head. The split going to the coolant container has to be regulated down to 12-20PSI or you could blow it apart...I also have a 30PSI safety valve there just in case. There are diagrams and threads on cnczone to explain in more detail. It's not hard to make and worth it!