How to disassemble and maintain the Spyderco Smock Pocketknife
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.พ. 2019
- Today, something a bit different: The Spyderco Smock just showed up on my table, and, seeing something a bit curious, I went ahead and took it apart. But then, realizing that there was something new and newsworthy here, I decided to air this ASAP, and follow it up with some first impressions about the knife at the end of the video.
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So yeah, like SliceyDicey pointed out, if they didn't have the second detent ball, then when you press the button, the first detent ball would disengage completely and the blade would 'fall out' in many positions, making it, depending on the legal definition, either a 'gravity knife' or an automatic. So, it's not just to strengthen the detent, but to make it such that the knife would remain closed even when the button is pressed and skirt those (stupid) laws.
Kevin Smock did say that Spyderco added a secondary detent
Oh that’s smart. Wouldn’t be able to be carried in LA if it just fell out
Yeah that’s what the Smock guy said in his update video a long time ago when we thought we’d get this in 2018
boredandagitated you can’t carry it in LA due to blade length anyway
tron tim not the end all be all but knife rights has LA and State laws both allowing manual folders. >3” just can’t be open carried. And if the cop is really being a jerk clipped to a pocket can qualify as open carry since the clip is showing.
I'm glad you took this apart before I got one because I damn well would have lost that ball 🤣
Yep, that's a big part of the reason for posting this, too.
@@NickShabazz I even read about the double detent before this. I figured it was going to be something more Emerson style. I never would have thought to just use a spring instead of making another pseudo lockbar. Neat stuff
I took my 3rd one apart and lost the spring, d’oh! Still works REALLY well without it.
I think the second detent was because it couldn't drop open with the button because of legalities or something. I think I remember Eric saying that in a video and adding the second detent was why it was delayed.
That makes a lot of sense. Otherwise it's a classic "gravity knife".
Weirdly, if you don’t press the button, it works exactly like a classic gravity knife. Just try and fling the blade out, and it comes right open. It doesn’t free drop, but it definitely opens.
Also oddly. The detent isn’t all the strong. It’s adequate, for sure, but not super strong.
And l since I don’t live in a gravity knife hating state, I think I might just take the second detent ball out.
@@ryanlohrenz190 that's probably why the second detent is constructed the way it is
A law suit has reached supreme court review regarding New York knife regulations and the "gravity" and "intent" issues.
The title should've been "Nick has a knifegasm on video"
Sounds painful 🤔
Hey Nick, just wanted to say that the simple act of you closing your videos by wishing me a wonderful rest of the day is really pleasant. It's the small things like that that keep me coming back time after time, even if it's a review of a product I'm not really interested in (This one is not the case, I VERY much want a Smock).
I hope that button compression lock makes a come back in some newer knives. Thanks as always for the videos Nick!
I love all of your videos, but this was by far the most entertaining vid I've seen on your channel. That whole extra detent ball + spring thing was enthralling.
After watching your disassembly video, I took mine apart and left out the second detent and spring. Works smoother, thanks for the great video.
THAAAANK YOU! I was thinking about doing the same thing but wasn’t sure if it would screw up the knife. But MAN what an improvement!
@@GUNSnDOZES Just FYI, I tried it both ways, and without the second catch counterpresssure on the blade, it has noticeably more side-to-side play between open and closed. Check it out.
Thanks Nick!! You helped me out. I took my smock apart and I could not figure out where that little spring came from. Two detent balls does make it smoother. You’re an ace!!
Thanks for the preview! Stock mentioned the secondary detent in one of his update videos, I was about to explain Spyderco’s rationale and just noticed you’re already on top of it.
Got mine in the mail and was curious about the second detent. Thanks for preventing me from opening it up and losing it!
I’m so glad you released this video! I’ve been wondering how they did the second detent since I heard about it a few months ago. It’s nice that it’s so easily removed and reversible if one were to want to put it back. I understand they had to do it for compliance reasons, but it’s nice that we who don’t live in places with ridiculous laws can easily take it out and make the knife better for free.
I just received the 20CV version yesterday and I'm buying Smock's red g-10 scales to give it more pop.
Thanks for the great video, I wanted to see how easy it was to disassemble and put back together!
I was replacing the scales on my Smock, the second detent ball and spring came out and I had no idea where they came from.
Immediately went here and discovered where to put it and what it was. I've never seen 2 detent balls before so I was freaking out!
Thanks, Nick for helping me out
Thank god you made this video…got my smock in today and had already received an order for a new handle. I replace one side and had trouble with the second side when the liner lock or some larger pin fell out so then I had to take it all apart when that stupid tiny ball came out! Then..to make matters worse I see a tiny spring! That’s when I turned to TH-cam and of course you always make great vids. I’m lucky you made this. Thank you.
Let's be honest here. It's absolutely fantastic. Why would Spyderco even go back to using regular compression locks now? The push button compression lock is a huge improvement.
It's really great that you had this video up, I just cleaned my cousins for him, and if I hadn't known that second ball wasn't captured, I'd be buying him a new knife. 🥲
I deeply love the bladeshape. One of the first spidercos that spark my intrest.
Boy this sure is a pretty knife, personally I love a boxy handle so this is almost perfect. That button on the compression lock is fantastic as well, I don’t mind the regular one but this gives me the positives you get with the axis lock.
Thanks again Nick, great video, so informative, I just installed set of Reylight titanium frag scales, that 2nd detent can be a bit tricky, lovin the Smock .Cheers Nick 👍
I think this is the knife I've always wanted the Yojimbo to be. Great video Nick!
You are like a kid on Christmas morning as you take your Smock apart.Removing the pocket clip improves the egos ..Much more comfortable without it.Thanks for posting.
The extra detent ball and spring may be innovative, but I must say I much prefer mine without them. They reside in a tiny bag inside the original box now. The action is actually much better with it gone. Totally drop shut now.
Mine shipped today, looking forward to getting it after over a year of pre-order!
Man... I should have watched this before opening mine! One I removed the scales, there goes the second detent ball, stop pin, and tiny spring! Took me forever to find everything and another long time trying to keep the spring and detent ball in place for assembly.
Thanks for this video!
Beautiful knife....Wire clip & better hole & it’s perfect! thanx for the deconstruct & review. Very helpful as usual.
So tonight, evidently four years after you posted this video, my wife and I were taking apart my relatively new Smock to put in some Skiff bearings. We got flummoxed, frustrated, and confused. In short this video saved a lot more frustration. Probably too dramatic to say it saved a marriage but I just wanted you to know, this video was incredibly helpful. You know I’m a fan like so many. But a deeply appreciative fan who leans on you, again like so many do. Thanks!
Really awesome looking knife,
Thanks for the video, Nick. Great job, as always! I love the knife. I think it is a real gem for this price point. There are several ways it could have been better. The clip is awful, but that can be fixed easily. The detent on mine isn't great out of the box, but I assume it will improve as it breaks in. All in all, I am extremely happy with mine. (learned a valuable lesson on Blade HQ pre-order system. I will never use that again btw)
thanks for the detailed video nick, this one is a bit tricky ............👊👊
Great job Nick!
yup, im in love. get an aftermarket clip and take my money
Wow, this knife looks so cool, and so different from a typical spyderco design. I don't know If I really need those speed holes on it, but I still want one.
Love the blade shap, love the lock but the handle is mjehh... Nice review Nick!
I've been looking forward to this knife. If I manage to pick one up I'd like to see how it works if one removes the second detent... I like to be able to "fling open" button locks.
Minus the clip and lanyard hole, the Smock if for sure a gem!
The one I ordered is still in the mail. So while I haven't handled one yet, I can't help but think of how good a wire clip would be on it.
I'm so ready for my Smock to get here!!
This knife is just terrific, I want one !
When I disassembled my Benchmade Triage the ball bearing detent for the rescue hook was set up the same way. Ball bearing loose sitting on a spring.
Damn, I’m two left hands, all thumbs, can not follow directions. Your video made it pretty easy. Thank you!
Been waiting for this one for way too long.
This is such a cool knife and it's great to see something different. If it was possible, it would have been great if they could have moved the push button forward or made the diameter of the button (between the scales at least) smaller so the finger choil/cut out area didn't need to be so big. Not sure if that would be doable, just a thought I had. That being said, I still love mine and love carrying and using it.
Waiting to see you put it back together...
I would love to see some of these changes, especially the detent, brought over to the Sliverax. Paul Alexander did a bang-up job on that design, but the factory just screwed it up to the point that I didn't want it.
If it was like 1/4" shorter in handle and blade, had the Spydie wire clip and no lanyard hole it would already be in my pocket. I'll probably get one anyway, but it would be my ideal knife with those small tweaks. As it is, I'm loving my Massdrop Zinker Dogtooth Liner Lock right now and waiting for this to be back in stock at my local knife shop.
I am really liking the looks of this knife! I wish the blade was only 3”, but at least the cutting edge being under 3” might get by..If the cop isn’t mad at you ;) still want to buy one!
I must have this knife. I love my pm2 I like the compression lock but the button makes it close with out changing my grip. 👍
This is one of the first Spyderco knives I've seen that didn't look horrid. Nice looking blade, interesting design, cool double detent. Not bad at all. That forward choil is a bit weird, but otherwise it doesn't look bad.
That "choil" is actually clearance for the button mech.
Awesome knife, want one
This video saved me. Thanks!
Just ordered, can't wait until some Ti scales drop for this pokey boi
I'm pretty sure this knife will have a better fall shut action if you remove the secondary detent. I handled the prototype at a show last year that didn't have the secondary detent and the action was insanely good. I imagine the constant pressure it will apply to the blade will slow down the close and also make it so you can't flip it open just by depressing the button.
I can confirm. I took out the 2nd detent and oiled everything. Blade falls free and shuts with no wrist action whatsoever. Plus you can open it by just pressing the button.
I took that second detent out and this knife feels 100 percent better.
Second detent was one of the reasons the thing took so damn long. They didnt want it to be able to accidentally actuate if something hit the button.
Also helps with gravity knife laws I guess(?)
Thanks to this video I will never take my smock apart.
This double detent also reminds me of the CKF terra which has 2 detent balls. One always touching the blade
I need this knife in my life is it worth selling several knives though??
Great video! Do you have a link to the Precision Screwdriver your using? Looks money.
i want this...One thing i wish more knife companies would do is go to Ceramic Ball Bearings vs Stainless Steel...i switched 2 of my ZTs to Ceramic Ball Bearings and the action is SOO much better...
That is an interesting way to add detent but I can see that ball getting lost in a hurry if you are not aware of it. You would think they would mention that as a caution since all others are captured.
I think the review could be interesting. I am looking forward to it.
Just got mine in the mail today..Doesn't seem to be a detent ball ramp on new batch and mine was pretty gritty out of the box.. Other than that its a pretty nice knife...Great vid
Who else really wishes they'd make this in Colorado
Here's another one...Who else wishes they would drop the CF laminate and just do a nicely finished G-10. The laminate just reminds me of those atrocious CF stickers you see on vehicles. Either do carbon fiber or don't. No faking it.
Thanks for the help. I changed out my scales and started to worry how the hell am I gonna put this back together lol
Finally a Smock
Smock! Smock smock, smock! SMOCK SMOCK!!!
By grabthar's hammer!
Take those suction cups off - you’re driving everyone crazy!
i know a calvin and hobbes reference when i see one!
Damn now I'm even more in lust with this knife 🤣🤣
Just ordered me one an not sure if I wanna remove the detent ball or
Sooo, I have 3 now. 2 modified by Kevin and one mostly stock, except I took the polished g10 scales off the KnifeJoy 20cv and took off the peel-ply. When I did that, I stupidly lost the spring for the 2nd detent. But...the action is actually better without it. Who knew.
I absolutely appreciate that they are improving the detent and avoiding running afoul of silly laws. However I can't help but wonder if there was not a way to do that with a captured ball? I'm not saying they should have copied Emerson's system but this would make me a little more nervous than IKBS.
Does the detent spring need to be removed with the ball altogether to get rid of the second detent? I’d like for the knife to just drop open and shut
Yup...gonna buy that....damn you Nick!
I just got Mine yesterday evening. Took itapart today to dye the scales. I was supper careful taking it apart extreamly slow and easy as to not loose that second detent ball and It was all good EXCEPT there was no spring. The ball did roll out slowly onto a cheep thin fridge magnet (one of those business card magnets) I laid right on my cleaning mat. No Spring??? Do I call Spyderco and ask if this is a manufacturing error or a slight modification done between batches????
Mine was supposed to arrive today...but usps went and did something. Now it says alert and that they are awaiting delivery scan
Smock knives posted a video about this. Well he mentioned it in one of his update videos I believe
were can i get one the hex drivers u used in this video im sick of the walmart driver i have they keep breaking on me
Was that legitimate fear I heard in your voice when you said, “holy crap. That’s a spring.”? 😂
Grind out a little and chamfer the sharpening/finger choil ( maybe a little jimping) , get rid of the lanyard hole and put the wire clip on it towards the end for a deeper carry. Put real carbon fiber scales ( Kapara or like my Knifecenter exclusive Manix). If possible get rid of the full steel liners by just using the CF scales and compression lock liner(PM2) .
You probably would have a perennial top seller for years to come.
Nick I’m just as impressed with your torx tools as with your disassembly. Can you put out a link to your tools. Oh crap you’ve mentioned that before. Is it in the description. I’ll check. Boy I will feel really small if it’s there 😂. If not can you repost your lil tool package. Thanks
There's a video on my knife disassembly toolkit.
th-cam.com/video/-EBsA6vYilE/w-d-xo.html This is his review on those specific drivers
Could probably get the lynch spyderco pm3 clip that’s offset of the lanyard hole for considerably deeper carry
Well Kevin Smock did said there is a lot of after market clip for deep carry. But that is extra $$ for me. Like $30 for a titanium clip. and another $30 for shipping. (I'm not in USA.) And I really dun like knife tip peeping from my pocket. People here are paranoid on knife.
Gadget yoyo sorry America centric just suggesting that one specifically since the ... arc of the clip is offset so it doesn’t cover the lanyard hole but yeah they are 30 bucks
@@1968gadgetyo :- I agree about the clip. In Canada, I'm still waiting for the knife...and I suspect that the second detent's removal / blade drop possibility is holding the knife up at Customs...it could be modified to be a gravity knife. Almost afraid to say it (who is listening) but since the dealer has not confirmed delivery from Spyderco, I don't think it made it across the border. So, I guess I'll hold off on buying that deep carry clip.
Did they put the regular Spydie clip back rather than that proprietary clip?
Will it take a Lynch or MXG deep carry ? I mean it looks the same to me.
You know, I did exactly what you warned us not to and lost the second detent ball-simply gone! But don't despair, fellow klutzes, if it happens to you. I popped a ball from an extra bearing I had lying around, dropped it in, and it's working fine!
I ordered this bad boy from knifecenter in november and have been getting emails since then about my order still being in process since then. I got my last one six days ago, are they about to send me mine?
I'm just excited to watch Nick rip the Spyderco Tropen a new one
What about the spring? What holds that in place the scale?
When the clip is like that i think it acts more for finger placement while closing the knife but could be wrong
I love the knife except for the front finger hump/choil/ no choil weird ergo issue. Hopefully V2 improves that.
So I got a smock from my fiancee over the weekend (I know, she's great) and I was excited to take it apart and check it all out. I had to come back and check this video out to be sure I wasn't mistaken...my smock has no detent ball ramp. I'm not sure if this was a production run change or an issue with mine alone. I will be looking into it more, but I thought I'd post here first to see if anyone seeing this (or nick) has any info about this.
Again I only wish it was smaller. I also agree the clip needs preference over the lanyard hole.
Jesus I could listen to you talk about cool products all day long.
Holy fuck! The smock! Finally!
What driver set is that you’re using @nickshabazz?
Im sooooooo jealous you got that knife and I dont! Thanks for showing us and not waiting....👍
Nice looking knife from spyderco. Not to fond of flippers, this ball bearing pivot is in my eyes a weak point, but it is pretty good looking knife- to be a spyderco. The look appeals to me. Probably not a knife to carry in the woods here up in the north thou.
That’s the most overly complicated knife mechanism I have ever seen... I want it!
Wow, Spyderco grew a pair.
6am watching nick shabazz on low volume ...............i feel dirty hahahah!
What bit driver do you utilize ?
I bought it and I love it