if you are at the low end gpus are coming from nvidia,amd and intel next month. But these are all below 1070 performance ofc. but should be cheap,the gpus are tiny (cheap to make)
Yeah lol, on that performance tier the extra 6gb are just useless and waste of resources. I don't understand why didn't they just put the OG 2060 or super in production again.
@@damara2268 Because then you could simply call them greedy for having this price tag attached. Now there are the fanboys jumping at you: "BUT THEY PUT ADDITIONAL 6 GB VRAM ON IT!!!!111"
@@mirage8753 It is not nonsense when you think about what he actually means. Producing and developing chips involves a lot of other resources than sand. However the sentence "It's a waste of resources" is not funny and reminds of Greta Thunberg, which would make it even less funny.
Straight up just relaunching the 2060 Super with its original 8 GB would have made more sense. Still, congrats to Nvidia for probably having the first ever paper launch of a 3 year old GPU.
I believe the 2060S is a cut down 2070 die so it would only make sense to make 2060S's if they were also making 2070's. I agree that 8GB is a more sensible amount of RAM but there is a reason that nvidia didn't go with that model.
@@RafitoOoO sure but they definitely considering it cause of much more they can make. I hope for the best but don't kid yourself if you think Intel hasn't analyzed the shit out of the market and will make sure to get as much profit as possible, even at the risk of gamers
Not possible for the near future due to them using TSMC which is already at 100% capacity. They'd have to use their own fabs which currently cannot do their GPUs.
I'd be interested to see stock availability on the rest of the palette, seeing as how industry sources have been barking about how they don't want to manufacture 1GB GDDR6 chips. This might be a weird result of that.
I'm watching this because I just bought a RTX 2060 12gb off of amazon for 33% off and I payed like $270 for it which was absolutely mental considering my 1060 that I Currently operate on was originally around the same price when I bought it and still is. Crazy deal!
@@alenasenie6928 i'm holding out my hopes on the 3060 being cheap over the summer. For now, I train my models just on a CPU, since those are surprisingly reasonably priced at my micro centers.
Since most people have to skip this generation of gpus, the demand for the next gen is gonna be crazy... and the cycle continues. Lowly times, these are.
I bought my 2080 Ti with the intent to skip this generation because you don't need a new pc every damn year. I build a new one every 4 or 5 years and, hopefully, prices and supplies will be back to normal in 2 years when I'm ready to build again.
@@KenOtwell my comment wasn't implying that everyone has 2019/2020 rigs with the latest gear. I'm saying most people have to skip current gen no matter what they have in their blinky metal boxes. similarly I have a x570 zen 3600 + rx 5700 build so i've been sitting pretty this gen. that being said, i am sweating the fact that, rxt 4000 and rx 7000 are sure to sell out immediately, leading to another period of bot scalping and shortages. with no solution to the crypto gpu utilization demands, the import tariffs on China, the semiconductor shortage... well all that and the fact that AMD and Nvida are making serious money in all of this. the future is looking pretty damn bleak imo.
@@xayroMS That would an desirable outcome... but take a look at current prices for old hardware. RX 5000, RTX 2000, Vega, GTX 1600 and 1000, freaking Polaris cards like RX 580, 480, even 7 year old GTX 970 is going for +$200 usd. if the 4000 series is completely sells out, the demand for anything on the market is going to stay the same. this is an extremely negative outlook, i confess, but i'm having a lot of difficulty seeing any sort of solution.
More vram can be great for 3d designers without having to buy a 3080/90. Video render etc. But how would you know you just a gamer right !? The only user for gpu's
Ohh, I'm really waiting for the moment the mining ecosystem crash just to hear the GPU makers (ALL of them are guilty) next statement about how they always loved and prioritized the gaming market and how hard they worked to solve the entire situation.
@@theSato Really hard to believe that they don't just dropship into mining dens when the finished products leave their factories and never turn up on consumer shelves. Same profit with less hassle, if I'd run a company, I'd do the same tbh.
7:44 glad to see that 6600 XT is the winner for power efficiency. Been using it since August replacing my 3.5 years old RX580 and pretty satisfied with it.
The 6600XT is pretty much the new RX580. It's not the greatest thing in the world, but it's available and the price isn't AS horrible as everything else. It does 1080p Ultra all day long on the newest titles at acceptable frame rates which means that it will last until about six months after the release of the PlayStation 6.... And then it will last another 2-3 years as a 1080p Medium card...
@@andersjjensen true but their power consumption have quite a contrast to each other. Glad that I don't have to buy a higher wattage PSU just to compensate the new graphics card.
@@hadifelani Aye, you'd certainly hope so! The RX580 was already a souped up refresh of the RX480 and the 6600XT is a tiny die on a much better node by comparison.
Wait the 2060 cost more than the 3070? WTF? Just helped a friend get a 3060 ti for a horrible 700$ and thought that was bad. But this is waaaaay worse.
Less than 2x MSRP for a current-gen card is pretty good these times. It's "just" 175% of the stock price, which is not too bad. For comparison, here on Amazon I have a 1100€ (1242$) RTX 3060, NON TI. It's 376% of the stock price, almost 4x MSRP. It's absolutely insane.
@@leoshork guess I'm lucky to live next to Nvidia HQ. But I can still walk into the local computer shop and buy a 3070 for about 800 plus 10% tax. Wonder what makes shipping them elsewhere so much more expensive even.
@@JosiahBradley it's pretty good! Far from ideal, but still not too bad. Have the prices dropped where you live or have they always been like that for the past year or so?
@@leoshork I got a brand new 6600XT back in August for roughly $800 and managed to sell my RX580 8GB for $455 if I convert my country's currency at the time I bought it. Did I get a good tradeoffs?
To manufacturers and suppliers: We won't forget all the times you threw us the middle finger, and neither will our pockets..... we will do business elsewhere whenever possible
@@flameshana9 Exactly. How many times have I read statements like "f* EA, I am never going preorder games again" only for EA games to get pre-ordered again.
Thank you Steve, I can tell you didn’t want to do this review but thank you anyway. The current situation we all face with pricing and availability it is extremely disappointing and needs to stop. Scalping should be illegal as it is an unlawful point of sale.
This video is absolutely necessary. I remember doing a ton of research back when i bought my rx 5700 xt and comparing it a lot with the 2060 and 2070 always thinking about my budget (mind you this was back on early 2020). I would've thought buying a bigger video memory gpu was more important, so this video would have been something important to take in consideration.
You can sell your 5700XT to a miner and get enough for a high end 6700XT (like, say, PowerColor Red Dragon). When the Etherium exchange rate is high you might even be able to squeeze a 6800XT out of it if you're willing to pitch in $100-150.
Don't be so hopeful, Intel has been doing almost nothing on the driver side. Xe laptop (the highest end part) still manage to be beaten by Vega 8 despite being more powerful on paper.
@@807800 Intel Arc are being developed especially for mining lol. They can't compete with it in gaming because of trash drivers so they're just gonna sell all to miners + make some 4gb models for OEM use
@@807800 AMD top models suck at mining compared to Nvidia and it's still hard to get them with a reasonable price. It's past time to stop blaming miners and actually acknowledging this is a complex issue with several contributing factors.
Finding it hard to believe myself. As they're selling for 450usd on amazon atm (1per household) 🤷 think your man here got ripped off. And if that's Australian money 😱 he's nuts.
Interesting review and 3yrs on shows how outclassed the 2060 is compared to other gpus. In uk the RX6600XT is available new for £600 which is undercutting ebay from scammers. Be interesting to see how new entry level gpus such as rumoured RTX3050s and RX6500s fair in your charts! Great channel and love the comparisons /reviews👍Happy New Year to you all from Humberside UK 🍾🍻
Nah, the 2060 was always bad value compared to competition. The 10 series made it look bad, the 5000 series from amd beat it handily, the only thing it had going for it was the ray tracing function and it wasnt really good at that either. It diddnt get bad, it was just never good
On a side note the 5600XT is a great example of why I buy AMD. The performance has only improved since its release. At launch it was a bit worse than the 2060.
seriously, i never realized what a bargain spending 300 bucks on one back in 2020 was. i knew it was a good deal back then but seeing them go for double and sometimes almost triple on some models is just nuts to see.
Your comments and wording about how these companies are acting are spot on and I appreciate you bringing their actions to light. I only wish they would listen. What NVIDIA has been doing makes me never want to purchase from them again even if it means settling for less performance. What is important to me is that I can at least play games. Here's waiting for Intel.
Intel is just as bad, there's a reason AMD is stomping their CPUs, because they got complacent, and sat on their ass giving us shit products over and over, year after year, with only very slight improvements. "Because they could, and you would pay for it." In comes AMD eith Ryzen, and flips Intel upside down off their throne, only then did Intel realize "Oh shit, we have to actually make better products and actually try now." Intel is just as bad. These companies don't care about you, just their profits. That's why I like AMD CPUs. They're just great all around. But I still prefer nVidia GPUs, that's that's I still use a Gigabyte 1080 (The best one you can buy without upgrading to a 1080ti)
Intel GPUs will be scalped to their mining value. So I expect them to reach Nvidia levels or worse. AMD's use of infinity cache + narrower memory bus makes them less capable at mining and it's clearly reflected in current retail pricing. Intel is bringing out a purebred compute architecture (like everything else Raja K ever designed) because they ultimately want data center accelerators (read: real money!) to match Nvidia and AMD's CDNA offerings. The thing just is that Intel ARC is going to be on TSMC N6, so even more energy efficient than AMD and every bit as mining capable as Nvidia... there's no way these aren't going to get scooped up by miners by the bucket loads. And retail prices will reflect that in short order...
@@andersjjensen You are forgetting one point mentioned here, NVIDIA made deals to sell GPUs buy the pallet loads before they went to retail. I'm hoping Intel doesn't do that then we should see stock in stores.
In a workaround way, it might. If the 2060 12G is better at mining than the 30 series, it might alleviate some pressure on the current generation cards. While also making Nvidia more money. Win win win?
@@immutabledew2175 don't lie to yourself like that. The 30 series outperform the 2060 by a decent margin. This means that their mining rate is also higher. This refresh 2060 will only supplement mining farm, rather than build them. Times are rough right now and, unfortunately, I can't even help because I don't have the knowledge nor resources to stop miners from being greedy
Believe it or not the 2060 12g is better at mining than the 3060 but worse at gaming, which is why nvidia wanted to release it, once mining ends nobody's gonna want a card that only mines well and doesnt game well, thanks nvidia for screwing us over!
You can't stop greed. It's innate in people and probably motivates the human race more than anything else outside of fear. People only learn their lesson when their greed eventually gets them punished to the extreme. This 2060 is actually indirectly good for gamers in the long run. Gamers don't want it but miners do, and it enables the increase in supply of crypto which will eventually effect the price of crypto. The greater the supply of crypto currency, the less money people are willing to pay for it until it eventually crashes. Also, miners probably think this card can be resold to gamers if the market crashes, and it can to a certain extent. But cards like this will end up on the bottom of resell-ability for gaming.
Bought a 3060 for about 500 bucks in Germany about 2 months ago and felt bad. Feeling much better with every new announcement that is coming and looking at the prices.... I overpaid, but I was on a 1050 and feel like it would have just gotten worse.
The first time I heard 12gb in a 2060 I knew exactly what was the type of consumers Nvidia was aiming for. The future falls to APUs the new M1 Macbook and game consoles showed us this.
Can't help but feel like the very small increase of performance we see is more related to the extra cores it has relative to the 6GB version rather than the actual increase of capacity
@@zthemythz Hardly. 6GB is enough for that. The reason the 2060 is better for mining than the 3060 is because it's lacking LHR. That's assuming you're not circumventing LHR on the 3060.
This one sentence sums it all up : "Nvidia sells as many non competitive GPU's to miners, so when these eventually flood the used market they'll be almost worthless and not compete with the actual gamer GPU's"
I am very happy about this card. It's going for the same price as a 3050 now, and the 12gb of VRAM is extremely useful if you are into stable diffusion
Yeah, the only good thing about nvidia making these weird cards like the 12gb 2060 and 3060 is that now we get more VRAM for stuff like Stable DIffusion without spending thousands for a 3080 or something.
That price is painful. My fiance managed to get a 6700xt for Just under $1200 aud from centrecom which I thought was actually pretty good given the current situation. Whilst no company is your friend I found that centrecom had way more 6000 series and GPUs at much less insane prices than Nvidia. The 3070 models were almost 2 grand...
“If you appreciated this depressed video, I guess, hit the like button” first time ever I was convinced to push the like button by a claim in the video 😂
Great review as always! I always let the video play to the very end because the 'Steve goodbye moment' is so great and this channel must be the only one that lets a brief period of time at the end so it doesn't get interrupted with youtube video suggestions, that is very professional. About the prices: I am currently gaming on a crt at 640x480 100fps using an old gpu, even if my set up is too extreme in a sense, I think lots of people can live without the newest gpus at ridiculus prices, they should consider spending their money somewhere else. Let AMD and Nvidia keep their gpus, they can forcibly insert them into their ... egos (the big ones with 3 fans would be a good choice for this purpose)
Zero love for Nvidia anymore. Hope that gamers start to boycott Nvidia once Intel gets competitive in the GPU space. I would be happy to go AMD or Intel in the future.
Only consumers can change the situation by boycotting nvidia but… hey nobody from twitch monkeys will promote that ever just for a hope to get a gift from nvidia once in a while
AMD is doing the same thing right now, I am buying intel next time I shop new computer parts. (Have not own intel in my main rig. Since the p4, and only own ATI/AMD graphic card since the first Radeon)
@@fedepede04 Intel's ARC is a purebred compute architecture created on TSMC N6. It has a wide memory bus like Nvidia's counter parts. It's going to be every miners wet dream.... And they will get scalped to the moon because of it. So no, you'll not be buying an Intel GPU. Because the markup will be even worse than Nvidia. Because ARC will be faster at mining and use WAY less energy while doing so.... Now kindly stop spewing that kind of BS or provide some hard fact that AMD is trading directly with miners...
It’s crazy. Back in 2019 I built a pc and remember going to Best Buy and swapping out different 2070 supers until I found the one I liked (EVGA xc). And sold the 2060 I had before for 250! And sold that same 2070 super for about 400 a few months later when I picked up a 2080ti. Shit is way outta hand now
''What choice do gamers have?'' I have chosen to not buy at inflated prices..and am currently questioning if i ever want to take my business to Nvidia or AMD again...i am going to neither forget or forgive them for the anti consumer practices..i will be having a good look at intel instead..so i hope they enjoy the short term profits...the long term is permanent reputational damage.
Can you explain to me how AMD specifically should attempt to combat the situation? Should they fire the AIBs and only make their own reference cards? Should they tell the AIBs that if they don't sell to distributors at a fixed price then they won't get any more GPUs from them? Should they tell the distributors, oh.. they have no leeway over those at all since they're not direct business partners. Should they tell the retailers, ah, shit, same story again... Like seriously. I don't understand this hate against AMD and Nvidia (well, a bit more on Nvidia because they're actively participating in dealing directly with miners). Intel is soon going to find themselves in the same position: As soon as you've sold the actual GPU die to a board partner you can't do jack shit about anything after that.
The 3080 is the best value card right now, if you can find EVGA or Gainward in stock here in Europe. They're "only" about 60-80% above MSRP and they're still 3080's, so.. probably the best buy out of the bunch, if you can't wait. 3070 and 3070 Ti's are slightly less expensive but way slower.
Although the card is obviously aimed at 1080p/1440p gaming, the extra ram would have made a difference in 4K in some situations and you should have provided some benchmarks to show if that is the case.
The 2060 is indeed good enough to play almost any game at max settings (no ray-tracing) at 4K 30 FPS. And some recent games even use over 10 GB VRAM at 4K. So this relaunch wasn't totally nonsensical for gamers, except for the price (aimed at miners).
@@kingplunger6033 Every recent game I've played (besides Cyberpunk 2077) runs a stable 4K 30 fps lock at max details on my GTX 1080. The 2060 should be even faster on average due to games being better optimized for Turing over Pascal these days, especially with Async Compute. In the worst case scenario, it's max settings with reduced screen space reflection resolution, and reduced volumetrics (in foggy scenes).
This is really the point, when you shouldn't consider PC gaming any more (excluding indie/old games). Just buy a console that is reasonably available and enjoy. I hope when this cryptocrap finally collapses, there will be a worst time in history for both GPU producers.
I'm hoping for that too! My parents always told me: "After any steep climb there's always an equal or steeper descent." GPU Mining will collapse once again, the clock it's ticking... and the 2big GPU companies are just scared of that day!
Sounds like the solution is that Gamers buy Intel or AMD for their next GPU. If all nVidia are only going to pay attention to the money, hit their money.
Do you seriously imagine that the average gamer even knows or is going to care? Corporations make their money off of the average Joe, not the vanishingly small number of enthusiasts who may object to Nvidia's greed.
Thanks for calling Nvidia out at the start. More people need to get this through their skull. Nvidia doesn't give 2 f***s about gamers. And while I'm not going to defend AMD or Intel they at least don't produce mining only cards without display that end up as e-waste once mining is dead. As you said that's literally all Nvidia is doing right now. Make sure to produce as many mining cards as possible so they can't be used 2nd hand once the market dies. Intel really is our big hope here since AMD just can't keep up with the supply of Nvidia, even if they wanted to sell all their cards to gamers.
Intel uses same fab (TSMC) so no help is coming from that front, sorry. If they used TSMC 5nm node or older 12nm node, things might be different, but its same 7/6 nm node AMD uses.
I like that you covered this. I hate the actual results. I wish there was a way to corrupt all the blockchains to the point where it destroyed the viability of the crypto market. The environmental costs of crypto is extreme and it needs to go.
The environmental cost of railroads is extreme. Just stick with horse and carts. The environmental cost of computers is extreme... a whole room for a single computer. Just stick with the mail.
To anyone who disagrees: The difference is crypto isn't a necessity for the modern-day. It's not even viable as legal payment, nor accepted virtually anywhere without converting it as money first. It's a waste of compute power (that could've been used toward research), a drag on environmental resources in the massive amounts of electricity needed, and thus another big outlet for pollution.
I actually can't believe you managed to get one for review 😂 It's an absolute waste of money to everyone bar minors, but fair play for reviewing it :') if nvidia wanted to sell to gamers, they would have made more of the 2060 supers with the normal bandwidth and memory capacity. That would have been sufficient, with supply obviously, to be a good deal for gamers. Hate this market right now, I was getting into sorting some computers for my family when the pandemic hit and its just got worse and worse. Good job I had already upgraded from a 970 to 2070 super *must have been around 6 * months before the rtx 3000 series was announced
I have one of the Zotac 6GB models in a spare build and ended up removing their useless back plate that does nothing but help hold heat in and block the exhaust for the cooling system.
from what I understand the 12g model is no better for mining than the 6g model so I cant see how this is for miners it is NVIDIA trying to squeeze every last drop of blood from consumers IMO EDIT: I just found the hashrate for ETH on TH-cam 37.6 MH the standard 2060 ^GB model get 32 - 33 MH I hardly think the premium being asked over the6 GB model worth it
People that claim this is for miners don't understand mining lol. Miners prefer powerful GPUs since physical space is limited. It'd be better to have a single 3070 (if non LHR) than two of these even if theoretically they could mine a little better.
@@necrotic256 I just found the hashrate for this card and posted it as an edit it is definitely not a card for miners it is just another way team green is screwing over all consumers gamers and miners alike why else would they stop production of the 3060 1 month out from Christmas they are artificially keeping the prices inflated tp maximise profits I personally hope Intel kicks their arse in the laptop sector then we will see team green squirm especially since the US govt blocked their aquistion of ARM
@@RafitoOoO I would rather 1 3070ti even if its LHR then this streaming POS that Nvidia has served on a plate for its consumer base same power as 2 2060 12gb not quite double the hashrate but only taking 1 slot even a 3060ti is better value than this card 42 MH for $200 AU more
1. It has a silicon from the Super version, not regular one 2. In places where electricity is relatively cheap (yes, there are countries like that) even 1660s are highly desired for mining and are priced accordingly
Good time to be a console gamer in Germany. Series X can be found in large numbers in major retail stores. I would have been able to buy at least 50 Series X in the last weeks.
OMG I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID! So true. Thank you for being pro-consumer! This situation and the behaviour of these companies is shamelessly unethical.
Nice to see some gains... We as consumers have to accept that there are well funded interests beyond gaming that demand GPU Compute based technologies. Moving forward we will always be competing with the likes of AI Supercomputing, Bitcoin Mining, and surveillance/automated car applications etc.. Just keep gaming on your 10 series card to piss them off focusing on quality gameplay vs Raytracing. The only game I use RT on anyway is Shadow of the Tombraider as it has minimal performance impact.
@@billlam7756 Intel really can't afford to screw people over. They have no mindshare. They need decent drivers and a decent price if they want any change of establishing themselves in the graphics card markets.
The problem with AMD is that Radeon is not a priority for them. They are not willing to divert production capacity to gaming GPUs. Cause they can make more money from CPUs. So this generation they are actually losing maket share despite having a good RDNA 2 architecture, they are just not interested in hitting big enough volumes to hurt Nvidia. Sad situation...
I thought that it would be closer to the super given the fact that it has the same cuda cores instead of being basically a 2060, this explains to me why they did not call it 2060 super 12gb but 2060 12 gb which was my main doubt when this gpu was first rumoured. Well at least the name positions it in the right performance point in the stack..... at least.... it is sad that this stuff comes to the market.. if it had it the market at a street price of 230 dollars it would have been great but this is dreaming XD
The _only_ reason I could see myself wanting this, is to stick into the living room PC for the express purpose of handling encoding duties with the new version of nvenc. But if it's just for that, why would I spend a dime above a 1660 or similar, if that?
So this is the way I ended up with this GPU. I was considering an RTX 3050, then I figured out that an RTX 2060 12gb costed the same, and I bought it. Shortly after I discovered that there was an RTX 3060 model that costed just a few euros more, quite the screwup. I had decided to go with NVIDIA because I could swear I saw that the 2060 had superior Ray Tracing performance compared to the RX 6600, then I found out that it wasn’t the case and that I could have saved money while getting better raster performance 😂.
I feel you man, in my Case I bought a GTX 1650 oc 4gb vram because at that time it was the cheapest one and 2 day's later the GTX 1660 super with 6gb vram was only 15 Euros more. I was like BRUH.
They sell to however pays most. Miners do and their demand wouldn't be met until crypto prices drop. And that won't happen until USA's government stops printing and giving away money left and right.
Actually miners want RX 5700xt NOT an RX 6000 series because the design aimed at gaming and is less efficient at mining compute. The crypto bubble creates demand faster than manufacturers can fulfill, then a price crash, so both companies have made big write offs after previous crypto booms.
I wish this had a revisit. Considering a used RTX 2060 12GB to update my current 980ti. I want to pay less than a 3060, but I want better than 3050. I want to focus on Video Content Creation, but still be able to game.
I bought the 2060 super for 400 bucks... IT"S FREAKIN MSRP. the market is a disgrace anymore. It's going to be funny when most of the people that were formaly into gaming find other hobbies and never casre about how these companies just decided to not give a shit about us.
If Intel can provide an in stock "gpu" they have a good chance to pull a lot of market share because I like you are fed up with these shitty business practices and this is such a slap in the face.
@@Celeron525 Unless ARC is intentionally low hash rate at the hardware level, that won't happen. Miners will buy Intel GPUs which will in turn become scalped just like any other GPU. The only thing that can save the market now is crypto crash. After that, take at least 3-4 months for the market to stabilize.
I have a Zotac 6GB 2060 and a friend just bought his first gaming PC with a Zotac 12GB 2060. His doesn't have coilwhine unlike mine and runs a tad cooler without intake fans in his case (only one exhaust fan), while I have 3 intake and 1 exhaust. I noticed that the stock fan curve is different from my 6GB 2060 tho, much more aggressive.I have been able to overclock and undervolt mine slightly better than his though.
I've just picked up an OC version of this card for £310, which is about half the cost you saw 4 months ago. The vram will be handy for iray rendering in packages I use too.
Heck if Nvidia released the rtx 2060 renamed to 3050 with 6GB of v ram and LHR... and they could have it for the Msrp of the 2060 I'd be happy. This is just sad though.
@@ThunderingRoar same ideally. I'm just saying I wish we had a gaming card, even if it had to be a rebrand. Which tbh is still mostly fine so long as they don't pull like a gt 730 and have 4 different gpus all be named the same thing.
When my 1080ti dies and the prices are still like this, then im done with pc gaming. If the prices are ok again, i will buy a amd card, because of nvidia's behaviour.
I feel like I'm never going to be able to build a new gaming rig.....Still using my first and only build, i5 4690K and GTX 970....I now can't really play current games...unoptomized game performance is horrendous. Thankfully I have a good backlog of games and only play in 1080p, but I really want to go to 1440p and play some new games..... Sucks so bad, but I guess I should be happy I even have something.. I wanted to build new a year or so ago, but the pandemic, gpu scarcity, and money problems made this almost impossible. If my GPU or something else goes in my PC, I'm screwed.
9:23 " it operated at the amd reference specification" didn't know amd had a reference spec for a 2060... but i guess they're all blending together this year...
It's not. It's the same as the old 2060. Given current prices the 3060 LHR is a better option (and mines better despite LHR for less power) than this one.
If these companies cared about getting cards to people there would be a backorder, a list, a something that lets you buy the GPU NOW, and receive it at a later date. Not a single one of them is offering this. Every queue is disabled. They won't even let us buy the GPU's and show up in person with ID and proof of purchase. They do not care who gets the cards, bots or scalpers, as long as they get their money. There is no shortage, they just don't care where the cards go, so they get bought up in bulk in sit in miners/scalpers inventory, or they go to the TH-camrs/reviewers, OR, they go to a pallet in a warehouse and sit there for months, Or they go to a prebuilt manufacturer. What's even worse is if you DO have to buy one of these GPU's, like yours is dead in the water and you need something now, you are basically paying for someone else's table scraps, at a 80% inflated price. So many people are buying "NEW" Gpus off of newegg and receiving already opened products, and can you just return it and wait for a real new one? Nope. And if you receive one that's DOA, you don't get a new one, you have to send it back via RMA and have it fixed, so you just paid an 80% premium for a refurbished card that you bought new.... As long as there is no control or regulation over these companies and who/how they sell their cards, they will continue to fuck us all over making the most money they ever have, with nothing the average little guy can do about it besides "Bite the bullet".
NVIDIA didn’t make this for miners either considering the 192 bit bus handicaps this card on the most profitable coin (Ethereum) while likely drawing the same power as other Turing cards making this one only slightly better for mining than an original 2060 and definitely worse than a 2060 super.
The extra VRAM doesn't help miners at all either. NVIDIA's thinking is that the cards will be expensive no matter what, so might as well add extra features that are of some use to non-miners.
I actually bought a guitar, just to look somewhere else to sink my time into it. I have a 3090 but gaming isn't as fun as it used to be, Broken ass games, people overhyping, EPIC, shortages, and even more stuff, so yeah, let's find a new hobby!
I recommended you to take a look into indie games because honestly i having fun way more in indie titles or maybe old triple a titles because either unique gameplay. Or better gameplay
I'm happy the only money Nvidia has gotten from me is from a Gtx 950. My 1070 and 1080ti I bought used and will continue to buy my gpu upgrades from the used market.
The last new card I bought was a 980. After that, likewise, used models only, including 1080 Ti, 1050 Ti, 1060 6GB, 970, RX 580 and, most recently, a 1080 for a very good price from a server OEM. Irony btw is Pascal is far better than Turing/Ampere for NVEnc transcoding, as NVIDIA halved the no. of NVEnc chips on all post-Pascal SKUs.
They've really got to start increasing bandwidth as well as capacity on some of these cards, some feel artificially hindered to keep their lineup relevant. Which is their own fault for making the lineup in some tiers being wayy to close to allow for future improvements to mean anything without cannibalising the more powerful cards.
The market is a tragedy. A few months ago i sold my dying rx480 for 250 euro, which i bought after the first mining crash for 75 (it had random crashes and artifacts). I then used the money to buy a new rtx 2060 for 500, which while still a scam, im glad i did.
Gaming performance was just as expected saw a mining review online for this model and as expected it does as good as an AMD RX6600XT but with lower power consumption and lower price point so as expected this was not really made for gamers as miners are going gaga over this and is the reason for why it is barely in stock as they are buying them straight from the source.
I am so glad I grabbed a new 2060 super for $300 back in July of 2020, right before all the insanity started. Everyone said I was stupid for not waiting the couple months for the 30-series cards but I am so glad I didn't listen. The 2060 super has proven to be a more than capable 1440p card, achieving 60+ fps on 95% of games at high/ultra settings.
I seriously hope the gpu situation starts looking up because my 1070 is showing signs of dying. I've had the money to buy a new gpu for quite a while, but no way in hell I'm paying above MSRP/scalper prices.
Something that go unnoticed in those charts is that 6700XT is now on par with the 3070 and RX 6800 is on par with the 3080, that's basically 10% more performance in a year trough drivers update...
Actually the 12 game average chart PROVES the 6gb 2060 was gimped with the lack of memory and would not stand up to time as it has the larger bus width and the 12gb version with a gimped bus beats it. Nvidia has their built in obsolescence down to a science and fanboi's are oblivious to that fact.
Dude, what are you on about? 6gb for 1080p is just fine. Like chill out. 12gb version doesn't make any sense, its made for miners. Did you watch the video or not?
@@noanyobiseniss7462 can you explain then? You said that original 2060 was gimped with 6 gb memory. It literally doesnt need more for 1080p gaming. Like again, what I wasnt unable to comprehend there?
The way you're meant to be played™
That should've been the slogan, atleast it's accurate marketing
Spot on!
Perfect. Chef’s kiss.
The more you BUY the more you SAVE!
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Nice work on the video as always. Also as always for 2021 poor situation for gaming GPUs.
if gaming dies cause of miners I'm getting the pitchfork out
@@Ollay245 That's excessively violent.
Tire iron to the knees is sufficient
if you are at the low end gpus are coming from nvidia,amd and intel next month.
But these are all below 1070 performance ofc. but should be cheap,the gpus are tiny (cheap to make)
@@Ollay245 if you can't against them join them
@@MundiAnimals nooo don't do it!
As the other Steve would say: The extra memory is "a waste of sand."
Yeah lol, on that performance tier the extra 6gb are just useless and waste of resources.
I don't understand why didn't they just put the OG 2060 or super in production again.
@@damara2268 Because then you could simply call them greedy for having this price tag attached.
Now there are the fanboys jumping at you: "BUT THEY PUT ADDITIONAL 6 GB VRAM ON IT!!!!111"
catchphrase
waste of sand is a nonsense, we have plenty of deserts to never care about that. but phrases like this produce more likes and comments prob
@@mirage8753 It is not nonsense when you think about what he actually means. Producing and developing chips involves a lot of other resources than sand. However the sentence "It's a waste of resources" is not funny and reminds of Greta Thunberg, which would make it even less funny.
Straight up just relaunching the 2060 Super with its original 8 GB would have made more sense. Still, congrats to Nvidia for probably having the first ever paper launch of a 3 year old GPU.
I believe the 2060S is a cut down 2070 die so it would only make sense to make 2060S's if they were also making 2070's. I agree that 8GB is a more sensible amount of RAM but there is a reason that nvidia didn't go with that model.
The 2060S is too close in performance to the 3060 so that’s why they wouldn’t do that
@@kuyans3889 these are 2060 Super cores with 2060 original memory bus, if i recall correctly. The 12 gb simply is a head scratcher
@@austinchasteeny yeah you're right. This thing is just weird then
Its a 192 bit bus, you cant put 8gb on a 192 bit bus so the choice was 6gb or 12gb.
This is just depressing
As ironic as it sounds I really hope that intel could save the gpu market
@@qdpqbp do you realize Intel dgpu is being made for years, right? Way before the mining boom. Stop acting stupid.
Yeah that's the last hope, ironic but if there is any company with the financial muscle amd expertise to do it, it would be intel
@@RafitoOoO sure but they definitely considering it cause of much more they can make. I hope for the best but don't kid yourself if you think Intel hasn't analyzed the shit out of the market and will make sure to get as much profit as possible, even at the risk of gamers
That’s if there cards are good, AMD only issue is drivers, once that is rectified we will see proper competition.
Not possible for the near future due to them using TSMC which is already at 100% capacity. They'd have to use their own fabs which currently cannot do their GPUs.
I'd be interested to see stock availability on the rest of the palette, seeing as how industry sources have been barking about how they don't want to manufacture 1GB GDDR6 chips. This might be a weird result of that.
wow, feels like a massive middle finger to the customers.
False, the customers are scalpers, and they are loving it.
it IS a middle finger to gamers
That’s the thing - you’re not their customers.
They dont give a shit who the customer is as long it sell lol
customers are too generic more like gamers, but miners in other hand would be happy, lmao
I'm watching this because I just bought a RTX 2060 12gb off of amazon for 33% off and I payed like $270 for it which was absolutely mental considering my 1060 that I Currently operate on was originally around the same price when I bought it and still is. Crazy deal!
Hey me too I'm getting mine in a few hours
Thinking to buy it also for 270 $ , is it worth how performs the GPU for 1080p gaming ?
I'm considering picking it up. It's still at that price on Amazon to replace my 1650
I got mine last month for less $250
Just buy a 2nd hand 6800xt
The card we didn't deserve but the card we never needed
If it was cheap it would have been good as an entry card for machine learning, as it is is still better to buy an amd card and pray for rocm support
@@alenasenie6928 Yep, I was really hoping £250-300 but I knew I was dreaming. £350 still might of been bearable.
@@WTBMrGrey £350 is closing in on 3060Ti territory. Doesn't make sense at all to look at this 2060 in any form other than a late April fools joke
@@UnluckyDomino graphic card themselves are a joke nowadays, you don't need April or any month to be fooled :((
@@alenasenie6928 i'm holding out my hopes on the 3060 being cheap over the summer. For now, I train my models just on a CPU, since those are surprisingly reasonably priced at my micro centers.
Since most people have to skip this generation of gpus, the demand for the next gen is gonna be crazy... and the cycle continues. Lowly times, these are.
I bought my 2080 Ti with the intent to skip this generation because you don't need a new pc every damn year. I build a new one every 4 or 5 years and, hopefully, prices and supplies will be back to normal in 2 years when I'm ready to build again.
Maybe 3000 series will be in better prices a moment before 4000 series... ehhh
@@KenOtwell my comment wasn't implying that everyone has 2019/2020 rigs with the latest gear. I'm saying most people have to skip current gen no matter what they have in their blinky metal boxes.
similarly I have a x570 zen 3600 + rx 5700 build so i've been sitting pretty this gen. that being said, i am sweating the fact that, rxt 4000 and rx 7000 are sure to sell out immediately, leading to another period of bot scalping and shortages. with no solution to the crypto gpu utilization demands, the import tariffs on China, the semiconductor shortage... well all that and the fact that AMD and Nvida are making serious money in all of this. the future is looking pretty damn bleak imo.
@@xayroMS That would an desirable outcome... but take a look at current prices for old hardware. RX 5000, RTX 2000, Vega, GTX 1600 and 1000, freaking Polaris cards like RX 580, 480, even 7 year old GTX 970 is going for +$200 usd.
if the 4000 series is completely sells out, the demand for anything on the market is going to stay the same. this is an extremely negative outlook, i confess, but i'm having a lot of difficulty seeing any sort of solution.
NVIDIA: "10GB is enough for top end 4k gaming"
Also NVIDIA: "Let's do a 12GB mid range GPU used for 1080p"
... that's so dumb
people that buy nVidia are, not the company itself
It mines better with 12, there is the answer.
More vram can be great for 3d designers without having to buy a 3080/90. Video render etc. But how would you know you just a gamer right !? The only user for gpu's
@@schmitt00 the 6gb does about 32 hashrate ans 12gb does about 35 hashrate. It really is helping no one.
people in 2018 "6gb isnt enough for 2060"
*2021 12gb version proving it was never an issue to begin with*
Ohh, I'm really waiting for the moment the mining ecosystem crash just to hear the GPU makers (ALL of them are guilty) next statement about how they always loved and prioritized the gaming market and how hard they worked to solve the entire situation.
and then keeping prices artificially inflated afterwards
Evga isnt really guilty.
@@theSato Really hard to believe that they don't just dropship into mining dens when the finished products leave their factories and never turn up on consumer shelves. Same profit with less hassle, if I'd run a company, I'd do the same tbh.
@@theSato they're also not a GPU maker
620 for a 2060. This is real life.... I play stock market now. I can't do this GPU thing.
Honestly, the stock market is very similar to the GPU market right now.
Mines almost here for 279 12gb version
7:44 glad to see that 6600 XT is the winner for power efficiency. Been using it since August replacing my 3.5 years old RX580 and pretty satisfied with it.
The 6600XT is pretty much the new RX580. It's not the greatest thing in the world, but it's available and the price isn't AS horrible as everything else. It does 1080p Ultra all day long on the newest titles at acceptable frame rates which means that it will last until about six months after the release of the PlayStation 6.... And then it will last another 2-3 years as a 1080p Medium card...
@@andersjjensen true but their power consumption have quite a contrast to each other. Glad that I don't have to buy a higher wattage PSU just to compensate the new graphics card.
@@hadifelani Aye, you'd certainly hope so! The RX580 was already a souped up refresh of the RX480 and the 6600XT is a tiny die on a much better node by comparison.
Wait the 2060 cost more than the 3070? WTF? Just helped a friend get a 3060 ti for a horrible 700$ and thought that was bad. But this is waaaaay worse.
Less than 2x MSRP for a current-gen card is pretty good these times. It's "just" 175% of the stock price, which is not too bad.
For comparison, here on Amazon I have a 1100€ (1242$) RTX 3060, NON TI. It's 376% of the stock price, almost 4x MSRP. It's absolutely insane.
@@leoshork guess I'm lucky to live next to Nvidia HQ. But I can still walk into the local computer shop and buy a 3070 for about 800 plus 10% tax. Wonder what makes shipping them elsewhere so much more expensive even.
@@JosiahBradley it's pretty good! Far from ideal, but still not too bad. Have the prices dropped where you live or have they always been like that for the past year or so?
@@leoshork I got a brand new 6600XT back in August for roughly $800 and managed to sell my RX580 8GB for $455 if I convert my country's currency at the time I bought it. Did I get a good tradeoffs?
@@hadifelani I think yes, since your at a net loss of roughly $300 since you sold your old card. You basically bought that card for $300 dollars
To manufacturers and suppliers:
We won't forget all the times you threw us the middle finger, and neither will our pockets..... we will do business elsewhere whenever possible
Nvidia: _Sure you will. You'll buy our products the instant you get the chance._
@@flameshana9 😆🙃
@@flameshana9 Exactly. How many times have I read statements like "f* EA, I am never going preorder games again" only for EA games to get pre-ordered again.
@@Scorpius165 and it's those peoples fault of why EA does what they do. same with nvidia.
Those results... back in mid-2019 I saw so many posts recommending a 2070, 2060S and even 2060 over the 5700/5700XT, and now look where they ended up.
Fine wine fine wine. Also you can sell a 5700xt and get a 6700xt upgrade for free. So it's more like a 2060 super Vs 6700xt 😄
Yeah, since AMD got the drivers right their cards true power got unleashed.
@@oxfordsparky dlss is crap on Turing, same with ray tracking. Also mining AMD’s GCN architecture was popular with miners.
@@oxfordsparky 2000's series card apart from the 2080ti are useless for ray tracing anyway. Even the 2080ti is not great.
@@LawrenceTimme 3000 series are also trash at ray tracing. We are still couple of generations before considering ray tracing as good option
Thank you Steve, I can tell you didn’t want to do this review but thank you anyway. The current situation we all face with pricing and availability it is extremely disappointing and needs to stop. Scalping should be illegal as it is an unlawful point of sale.
Lol Harvard unboxed...love youtube subtitles 😂 such scholars!
This video is absolutely necessary. I remember doing a ton of research back when i bought my rx 5700 xt and comparing it a lot with the 2060 and 2070 always thinking about my budget (mind you this was back on early 2020).
I would've thought buying a bigger video memory gpu was more important, so this video would have been something important to take in consideration.
You can sell your 5700XT to a miner and get enough for a high end 6700XT (like, say, PowerColor Red Dragon). When the Etherium exchange rate is high you might even be able to squeeze a 6800XT out of it if you're willing to pitch in $100-150.
Hopefully Intel ARC makes a difference in the low end
Only if it s*cks at mining. So, yeah. Don't expect too much.
Don't be so hopeful, Intel has been doing almost nothing on the driver side. Xe laptop (the highest end part) still manage to be beaten by Vega 8 despite being more powerful on paper.
sadly it wont, and its safe to assume that their drivers will suck at the launch
@@807800 Intel Arc are being developed especially for mining lol. They can't compete with it in gaming because of trash drivers so they're just gonna sell all to miners + make some 4gb models for OEM use
@@807800 AMD top models suck at mining compared to Nvidia and it's still hard to get them with a reasonable price. It's past time to stop blaming miners and actually acknowledging this is a complex issue with several contributing factors.
I almost hope these prices permanently damage the PC gaming market and hurt Nvidia later. Or their HQ burns down, either is good.
agreed
Finding it hard to believe myself. As they're selling for 450usd on amazon atm (1per household) 🤷 think your man here got ripped off. And if that's Australian money 😱 he's nuts.
Interesting review and 3yrs on shows how outclassed the 2060 is compared to other gpus. In uk the RX6600XT is available new for £600 which is undercutting ebay from scammers. Be interesting to see how new entry level gpus such as rumoured RTX3050s and RX6500s fair in your charts! Great channel and love the comparisons /reviews👍Happy New Year to you all from Humberside UK 🍾🍻
Nah, the 2060 was always bad value compared to competition.
The 10 series made it look bad, the 5000 series from amd beat it handily, the only thing it had going for it was the ray tracing function and it wasnt really good at that either.
It diddnt get bad, it was just never good
@@nucleardonkeyboy1361 Pretty much only had DLSS going for it
Wait where? I'd sell my soul to buy a RX6600XT right now to replace my 2060.
@@ItsScapeGoated in only one or two places. Most of the retailers are selling the 6600xt for more
Nah, I'm pretty satisfied with my sealed new in box 980ti for £180. was the score of a lifetime and is still running strong a full 3 years later.
On a side note the 5600XT is a great example of why I buy AMD. The performance has only improved since its release. At launch it was a bit worse than the 2060.
seriously, i never realized what a bargain spending 300 bucks on one back in 2020 was. i knew it was a good deal back then but seeing them go for double and sometimes almost triple on some models is just nuts to see.
Yeah it's not worth the driver issues
@@blvckl0tcs750 are you speaking from experience? I have had more problems with Nvidia drivers than AMD. I have not tried the 5600XT though.
I wasn’t aware AMD set the specification for RTX 2060s 😂
AMD is why the 3060 has 12gb vram, so they kinda are setting nvidia specs.
What a difference 7 month, and a gpu market crash makes. Just bought an EVGA 2060 12 gb from EVGA for $249.
Your comments and wording about how these companies are acting are spot on and I appreciate you bringing their actions to light. I only wish they would listen. What NVIDIA has been doing makes me never want to purchase from them again even if it means settling for less performance. What is important to me is that I can at least play games. Here's waiting for Intel.
Intel is just as bad, there's a reason AMD is stomping their CPUs, because they got complacent, and sat on their ass giving us shit products over and over, year after year, with only very slight improvements. "Because they could, and you would pay for it." In comes AMD eith Ryzen, and flips Intel upside down off their throne, only then did Intel realize "Oh shit, we have to actually make better products and actually try now." Intel is just as bad. These companies don't care about you, just their profits. That's why I like AMD CPUs. They're just great all around. But I still prefer nVidia GPUs, that's that's I still use a Gigabyte 1080 (The best one you can buy without upgrading to a 1080ti)
@@DaysofKnight lol intel cpus now are better than amd again
Agreed, this is the last straw. Next GPU is going to be AMD or if they can produce something good; Intel.
Intel GPUs will be scalped to their mining value. So I expect them to reach Nvidia levels or worse. AMD's use of infinity cache + narrower memory bus makes them less capable at mining and it's clearly reflected in current retail pricing. Intel is bringing out a purebred compute architecture (like everything else Raja K ever designed) because they ultimately want data center accelerators (read: real money!) to match Nvidia and AMD's CDNA offerings. The thing just is that Intel ARC is going to be on TSMC N6, so even more energy efficient than AMD and every bit as mining capable as Nvidia... there's no way these aren't going to get scooped up by miners by the bucket loads. And retail prices will reflect that in short order...
@@andersjjensen You are forgetting one point mentioned here, NVIDIA made deals to sell GPUs buy the pallet loads before they went to retail. I'm hoping Intel doesn't do that then we should see stock in stores.
If anyone expects nvidia to help gamers they've clearly lived in a cave for the last 10 years.
In a workaround way, it might. If the 2060 12G is better at mining than the 30 series, it might alleviate some pressure on the current generation cards. While also making Nvidia more money. Win win win?
@@immutabledew2175 don't lie to yourself like that. The 30 series outperform the 2060 by a decent margin. This means that their mining rate is also higher. This refresh 2060 will only supplement mining farm, rather than build them. Times are rough right now and, unfortunately, I can't even help because I don't have the knowledge nor resources to stop miners from being greedy
Believe it or not the 2060 12g is better at mining than the 3060 but worse at gaming, which is why nvidia wanted to release it, once mining ends nobody's gonna want a card that only mines well and doesnt game well, thanks nvidia for screwing us over!
You can't stop greed. It's innate in people and probably motivates the human race more than anything else outside of fear. People only learn their lesson when their greed eventually gets them punished to the extreme. This 2060 is actually indirectly good for gamers in the long run. Gamers don't want it but miners do, and it enables the increase in supply of crypto which will eventually effect the price of crypto. The greater the supply of crypto currency, the less money people are willing to pay for it until it eventually crashes. Also, miners probably think this card can be resold to gamers if the market crashes, and it can to a certain extent. But cards like this will end up on the bottom of resell-ability for gaming.
@@surfingeagle784 greed can be checked though by refusing to buy things like Turing. The average PC gamer in 2021 vs 2017 is just too dumb to do so.
Bought a 3060 for about 500 bucks in Germany about 2 months ago and felt bad. Feeling much better with every new announcement that is coming and looking at the prices....
I overpaid, but I was on a 1050 and feel like it would have just gotten worse.
enjoy it bro price really isnt all that bad, do some hobby mining and it’ll pay itself off and then some within the year
@@zephyr.r Mining isn't worth the extra heat for me, I'd have to move my PC out of my room with the output of the GPU lol
Now in Poland in most popular shop rtx 3060 is from ~850euro and above...
@@pepsibIue I will be happy if i can find one for less than 750$.
In most popular shop in my country is for 1060$ lowest price.
The first time I heard 12gb in a 2060 I knew exactly what was the type of consumers Nvidia was aiming for. The future falls to APUs the new M1 Macbook and game consoles showed us this.
You think *APPLE* would be any better? Seriously?!!
@@LiamNajor I'm not saying that. But the M1 chip showed us that APU's and ARM In PC's have big potential.
@@rubeneverts7191 Fair enough then.
Can't help but feel like the very small increase of performance we see is more related to the extra cores it has relative to the 6GB version rather than the actual increase of capacity
the increased memory capacity makes the card better for mining
@@zthemythz I know, thats the whole point of the video lol
@@zthemythz not really. ETH mining needs VRAM bandwidth. Anything over 6GB is fairly useless for miners.
@@zthemythz Hardly. 6GB is enough for that. The reason the 2060 is better for mining than the 3060 is because it's lacking LHR. That's assuming you're not circumventing LHR on the 3060.
@@zthemythz hell no it doesn't.
a few days ago i got a 12gb 2060 for 300$ after tax, shipped to my door within a couple days, crazy to see that a few months ago it was not so easy
I feel ya, have fun with 2060 12GB! Got mine too. =D
This one sentence sums it all up : "Nvidia sells as many non competitive GPU's to miners, so when these eventually flood the used market they'll be almost worthless and not compete with the actual gamer GPU's"
I am very happy about this card. It's going for the same price as a 3050 now, and the 12gb of VRAM is extremely useful if you are into stable diffusion
Yeah, the only good thing about nvidia making these weird cards like the 12gb 2060 and 3060 is that now we get more VRAM for stuff like Stable DIffusion without spending thousands for a 3080 or something.
That price is painful. My fiance managed to get a 6700xt for Just under $1200 aud from centrecom which I thought was actually pretty good given the current situation. Whilst no company is your friend I found that centrecom had way more 6000 series and GPUs at much less insane prices than Nvidia. The 3070 models were almost 2 grand...
Looking at a Pulse 6700xt for $1250 here in Perth from Austin Computers. Should be a nice step up from the 1060
That has nothing to do with centrecom. AMD pricing is generally better at the moment because they cards are less profitable to mine.
Nvidia cares so much about gamers they cut support for older gpus during a period where its impossible to buy anything new and affordable.
Bro the GPU support they cut were gpus that were ancient. That's on you for not having a more recent gpu
“If you appreciated this depressed video, I guess, hit the like button” first time ever I was convinced to push the like button by a claim in the video 😂
Great review as always! I always let the video play to the very end because the 'Steve goodbye moment' is so great and this channel must be the only one that lets a brief period of time at the end so it doesn't get interrupted with youtube video suggestions, that is very professional.
About the prices:
I am currently gaming on a crt at 640x480 100fps using an old gpu, even if my set up is too extreme in a sense, I think lots of people can live without the newest gpus at ridiculus prices, they should consider spending their money somewhere else.
Let AMD and Nvidia keep their gpus, they can forcibly insert them into their ... egos (the big ones with 3 fans would be a good choice for this purpose)
Zero love for Nvidia anymore. Hope that gamers start to boycott Nvidia once Intel gets competitive in the GPU space. I would be happy to go AMD or Intel in the future.
AMD in the long run is much better value, also games sponsored by AMD run equally good on both while nvidia sponsered games run like crap.
Only consumers can change the situation by boycotting nvidia but… hey nobody from twitch monkeys will promote that ever just for a hope to get a gift from nvidia once in a while
AMD is doing the same thing right now, I am buying intel next time I shop new computer parts. (Have not own intel in my main rig. Since the p4, and only own ATI/AMD graphic card since the first Radeon)
@@fedepede04 are they ? haven't heard anything about a 5000 re release for miners
@@fedepede04 Intel's ARC is a purebred compute architecture created on TSMC N6. It has a wide memory bus like Nvidia's counter parts. It's going to be every miners wet dream.... And they will get scalped to the moon because of it. So no, you'll not be buying an Intel GPU. Because the markup will be even worse than Nvidia. Because ARC will be faster at mining and use WAY less energy while doing so.... Now kindly stop spewing that kind of BS or provide some hard fact that AMD is trading directly with miners...
Just bought and MSI version of one of these on a whim for $150. Boy, have times changed....
Cheers
Rick
It’s crazy. Back in 2019 I built a pc and remember going to Best Buy and swapping out different 2070 supers until I found the one I liked (EVGA xc). And sold the 2060 I had before for 250! And sold that same 2070 super for about 400 a few months later when I picked up a 2080ti. Shit is way outta hand now
I am still on a 980TI and 970, why do you have to hurt me that much? xD
its a good budget card for deep learning too. considering 3060 is $80-100 more exp in my region.
''What choice do gamers have?'' I have chosen to not buy at inflated prices..and am currently questioning if i ever want to take my business to Nvidia or AMD again...i am going to neither forget or forgive them for the anti consumer practices..i will be having a good look at intel instead..so i hope they enjoy the short term profits...the long term is permanent reputational damage.
Can you explain to me how AMD specifically should attempt to combat the situation? Should they fire the AIBs and only make their own reference cards? Should they tell the AIBs that if they don't sell to distributors at a fixed price then they won't get any more GPUs from them? Should they tell the distributors, oh.. they have no leeway over those at all since they're not direct business partners. Should they tell the retailers, ah, shit, same story again...
Like seriously. I don't understand this hate against AMD and Nvidia (well, a bit more on Nvidia because they're actively participating in dealing directly with miners). Intel is soon going to find themselves in the same position: As soon as you've sold the actual GPU die to a board partner you can't do jack shit about anything after that.
I really hope Intel Alchemist pans out well for gamers. We need to teach Nvidia a lesson.
Wow the price on these is absolutely absurd and almost makes a 3080 look like good value for the power you get in comparison
The 3080 is the best value card right now, if you can find EVGA or Gainward in stock here in Europe. They're "only" about 60-80% above MSRP and they're still 3080's, so.. probably the best buy out of the bunch, if you can't wait. 3070 and 3070 Ti's are slightly less expensive but way slower.
thats literally the point of this GPU. make nvidias other turds look like a good buy
Although the card is obviously aimed at 1080p/1440p gaming, the extra ram would have made a difference in 4K in some situations and you should have provided some benchmarks to show if that is the case.
The 2060 is indeed good enough to play almost any game at max settings (no ray-tracing) at 4K 30 FPS. And some recent games even use over 10 GB VRAM at 4K. So this relaunch wasn't totally nonsensical for gamers, except for the price (aimed at miners).
I would guess it barely hits 30 fps at 4k and unless you play a turn based or something similar this is unbearable
@@kingplunger6033 Every recent game I've played (besides Cyberpunk 2077) runs a stable 4K 30 fps lock at max details on my GTX 1080.
The 2060 should be even faster on average due to games being better optimized for Turing over Pascal these days, especially with Async Compute.
In the worst case scenario, it's max settings with reduced screen space reflection resolution, and reduced volumetrics (in foggy scenes).
Maybe they just don't make the 1GB chips any more (or in lower volume) and have to use 2GB ones?
is this card a good buy for $200 right now?
I suspect it won't be long before Nvidia does away with the concept of "MSRP" altogether
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This is really the point, when you shouldn't consider PC gaming any more (excluding indie/old games). Just buy a console that is reasonably available and enjoy. I hope when this cryptocrap finally collapses, there will be a worst time in history for both GPU producers.
I'm hoping for that too! My parents always told me: "After any steep climb there's always an equal or steeper descent."
GPU Mining will collapse once again, the clock it's ticking... and the 2big GPU companies are just scared of that day!
Sounds like the solution is that Gamers buy Intel or AMD for their next GPU. If all nVidia are only going to pay attention to the money, hit their money.
yeah, unfortunately amd gpus have more driver issues with certain games.
Do you seriously imagine that the average gamer even knows or is going to care? Corporations make their money off of the average Joe, not the vanishingly small number of enthusiasts who may object to Nvidia's greed.
Hahahahaha good luck with that man. Only solution is cutting out mining from crypto
Thanks for calling Nvidia out at the start. More people need to get this through their skull. Nvidia doesn't give 2 f***s about gamers.
And while I'm not going to defend AMD or Intel they at least don't produce mining only cards without display that end up as e-waste once mining is dead. As you said that's literally all Nvidia is doing right now. Make sure to produce as many mining cards as possible so they can't be used 2nd hand once the market dies.
Intel really is our big hope here since AMD just can't keep up with the supply of Nvidia, even if they wanted to sell all their cards to gamers.
Intel uses same fab (TSMC) so no help is coming from that front, sorry. If they used TSMC 5nm node or older 12nm node, things might be different, but its same 7/6 nm node AMD uses.
Yeah AMD just sells directly to miners before the rest of the market gets a chance
@@retrofraction That's what Nvidia does. AMD doesn't.
I like that you covered this. I hate the actual results. I wish there was a way to corrupt all the blockchains to the point where it destroyed the viability of the crypto market. The environmental costs of crypto is extreme and it needs to go.
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The environmental cost of railroads is extreme. Just stick with horse and carts.
The environmental cost of computers is extreme... a whole room for a single computer. Just stick with the mail.
Wtf are you going on about?? 🥴🥴 Sit down Sir, you are just parroting back misinformation,, We just need you’re negativity to go away. 🤣
To anyone who disagrees: The difference is crypto isn't a necessity for the modern-day. It's not even viable as legal payment, nor accepted virtually anywhere without converting it as money first.
It's a waste of compute power (that could've been used toward research), a drag on environmental resources in the massive amounts of electricity needed, and thus another big outlet for pollution.
The explanation about the mining craze is very insightful. Explaining both the reason and the eventual outcome of the gpu shortage.
I actually can't believe you managed to get one for review 😂 It's an absolute waste of money to everyone bar minors, but fair play for reviewing it :') if nvidia wanted to sell to gamers, they would have made more of the 2060 supers with the normal bandwidth and memory capacity. That would have been sufficient, with supply obviously, to be a good deal for gamers. Hate this market right now, I was getting into sorting some computers for my family when the pandemic hit and its just got worse and worse. Good job I had already upgraded from a 970 to 2070 super *must have been around 6 * months before the rtx 3000 series was announced
I have one of the Zotac 6GB models in a spare build and ended up removing their useless back plate that does nothing but help hold heat in and block the exhaust for the cooling system.
from what I understand the 12g model is no better for mining than the 6g model so I cant see how this is for miners it is NVIDIA trying to squeeze every last drop of blood from consumers IMO
EDIT: I just found the hashrate for ETH on TH-cam 37.6 MH the standard 2060 ^GB model get 32 - 33 MH I hardly think the premium being asked over the6 GB model worth it
It's just a new stock for miners
People that claim this is for miners don't understand mining lol. Miners prefer powerful GPUs since physical space is limited. It'd be better to have a single 3070 (if non LHR) than two of these even if theoretically they could mine a little better.
@@necrotic256 I just found the hashrate for this card and posted it as an edit it is definitely not a card for miners it is just another way team green is screwing over all consumers gamers and miners alike why else would they stop production of the 3060 1 month out from Christmas they are artificially keeping the prices inflated tp maximise profits I personally hope Intel kicks their arse in the laptop sector then we will see team green squirm especially since the US govt blocked their aquistion of ARM
@@RafitoOoO I would rather 1 3070ti even if its LHR then this streaming POS that Nvidia has served on a plate for its consumer base same power as 2 2060 12gb not quite double the hashrate but only taking 1 slot even a 3060ti is better value than this card 42 MH for $200 AU more
1. It has a silicon from the Super version, not regular one
2. In places where electricity is relatively cheap (yes, there are countries like that) even 1660s are highly desired for mining and are priced accordingly
Good time to be a console gamer in Germany. Series X can be found in large numbers in major retail stores. I would have been able to buy at least 50 Series X in the last weeks.
@@Gridlocked It's better than paying 500-1000 quid just for a GPU to game with XD
OMG I LOVE EVERYTHING YOU SAID! So true. Thank you for being pro-consumer! This situation and the behaviour of these companies is shamelessly unethical.
Nice to see some gains... We as consumers have to accept that there are well funded interests beyond gaming that demand GPU Compute based technologies. Moving forward we will always be competing with the likes of AI Supercomputing, Bitcoin Mining, and surveillance/automated car applications etc.. Just keep gaming on your 10 series card to piss them off focusing on quality gameplay vs Raytracing. The only game I use RT on anyway is Shadow of the Tombraider as it has minimal performance impact.
I'm going to keep gaming on my 1070 simply because I can't afford better, not to send a message.
@@MisterFoxton Be wise though, If you can afford it, like some can, still doesn't mean you should spend $1500+.
AMD is by no means better, but this kind of behaviour informs my future purchasing decisions. Looking forward to ARC
It's like having to raise children.... we don't reward bad behavior in the PC parts market 🤦♂
Like intel is any better but in a business to fuk u hard for ur wallet like the rest
@@billlam7756 Intel really can't afford to screw people over. They have no mindshare. They need decent drivers and a decent price if they want any change of establishing themselves in the graphics card markets.
The problem with AMD is that Radeon is not a priority for them. They are not willing to divert production capacity to gaming GPUs. Cause they can make more money from CPUs. So this generation they are actually losing maket share despite having a good RDNA 2 architecture, they are just not interested in hitting big enough volumes to hurt Nvidia. Sad situation...
@@Arjun-eb1yc they try doing that for more than a decade already. all they did was hurting themselves in the process.
I thought that it would be closer to the super given the fact that it has the same cuda cores instead of being basically a 2060, this explains to me why they did not call it 2060 super 12gb but 2060 12 gb which was my main doubt when this gpu was first rumoured. Well at least the name positions it in the right performance point in the stack..... at least.... it is sad that this stuff comes to the market.. if it had it the market at a street price of 230 dollars it would have been great but this is dreaming XD
The _only_ reason I could see myself wanting this, is to stick into the living room PC for the express purpose of handling encoding duties with the new version of nvenc.
But if it's just for that, why would I spend a dime above a 1660 or similar, if that?
So this is the way I ended up with this GPU. I was considering an RTX 3050, then I figured out that an RTX 2060 12gb costed the same, and I bought it. Shortly after I discovered that there was an RTX 3060 model that costed just a few euros more, quite the screwup. I had decided to go with NVIDIA because I could swear I saw that the 2060 had superior Ray Tracing performance compared to the RX 6600, then I found out that it wasn’t the case and that I could have saved money while getting better raster performance 😂.
I feel you man, in my Case I bought a GTX 1650 oc 4gb vram because at that time it was the cheapest one and 2 day's later the GTX 1660 super with 6gb vram was only 15 Euros more. I was like BRUH.
Let's face it. Both Nvidia and AMD aren't helping PC gamers sort out the "GPU shortage". They sell it to miners.
They sell to however pays most. Miners do and their demand wouldn't be met until crypto prices drop. And that won't happen until USA's government stops printing and giving away money left and right.
Actually only Nvidia does lol. AMD just can't produce enough cards to do that. Nvidia also sells raw dies to miners, and AIBs sell to miners too.
Actually miners want RX 5700xt NOT an RX 6000 series because the design aimed at gaming and is less efficient at mining compute.
The crypto bubble creates demand faster than manufacturers can fulfill, then a price crash, so both companies have made big write offs after previous crypto booms.
@@Toralian89 JPow needs to let the markets fall already so we can actually make sure PC gaming doesn't die when no one can afford it
I wish this had a revisit. Considering a used RTX 2060 12GB to update my current 980ti. I want to pay less than a 3060, but I want better than 3050. I want to focus on Video Content Creation, but still be able to game.
I hope they keep releasing optimization drivers for the 2000 series because of that I still got a 2070 and I wonder how long it will last now.
Cool set! Are those monitors behind your head? If so, I would like to see a matrix movie setup with duplicate Steves appearing on them.
I bought the 2060 super for 400 bucks... IT"S FREAKIN MSRP. the market is a disgrace anymore. It's going to be funny when most of the people that were formaly into gaming find other hobbies and never casre about how these companies just decided to not give a shit about us.
If Intel can provide an in stock "gpu" they have a good chance to pull a lot of market share because I like you are fed up with these shitty business practices and this is such a slap in the face.
@@Celeron525 Unless ARC is intentionally low hash rate at the hardware level, that won't happen. Miners will buy Intel GPUs which will in turn become scalped just like any other GPU. The only thing that can save the market now is crypto crash. After that, take at least 3-4 months for the market to stabilize.
I have a Zotac 6GB 2060 and a friend just bought his first gaming PC with a Zotac 12GB 2060. His doesn't have coilwhine unlike mine and runs a tad cooler without intake fans in his case (only one exhaust fan), while I have 3 intake and 1 exhaust. I noticed that the stock fan curve is different from my 6GB 2060 tho, much more aggressive.I have been able to overclock and undervolt mine slightly better than his though.
nvidia: we want gamers to buy our gpus and not miners.
also nvidia: releases 2060 12 gb when that much vram benefits miners more than gamers.
Not true, that amount of RAM has no use for miners.
6GB is still more than enough for Ethereum mining
@@samuelrave but then can not overcharge , this product is to nvidia for scalp on demand(idiots)
@@samuelrave HeY, I rEaD iT sOmEwHeRe, iT mUsT bE tRuE. F*** MINOOORS.
@@samuelrave The Etherium block chain is close to spilling over 6GB. These cards are designed to mine well in 4-6 months too.
@@andersjjensenNo, you do not know what you're talking about. I am a miner, at the moment the dag file size is 4.617 GB it hasn't even passed 5GB
I've just picked up an OC version of this card for £310, which is about half the cost you saw 4 months ago. The vram will be handy for iray rendering in packages I use too.
Heck if Nvidia released the rtx 2060 renamed to 3050 with 6GB of v ram and LHR... and they could have it for the Msrp of the 2060 I'd be happy.
This is just sad though.
id rather not have them rename the previous turing generation 12nm card as 30 series, at least this isnt missleading
@@ThunderingRoar same ideally. I'm just saying I wish we had a gaming card, even if it had to be a rebrand.
Which tbh is still mostly fine so long as they don't pull like a gt 730 and have 4 different gpus all be named the same thing.
I rather 8 gb
11:45 Found this on-shelf and I'm using it for my computer so I can work for my crypto-related job. Price was $480. Was that bad?
Nvidia NEVER HELP gamers. This is the right title!
Yet idiots flock to them, while ignoring AMD offering more bang for your buck
@@oxfordsparky Double at msrp but it's the same price what the 3080 costs now in the market.
what about 3D Modeling and Video Rendering? is there a feelable value plus for the 12Gb Version? sadly thats never included in comparing tests....
When my 1080ti dies and the prices are still like this, then im done with pc gaming. If the prices are ok again, i will buy a amd card, because of nvidia's behaviour.
I feel like I'm never going to be able to build a new gaming rig.....Still using my first and only build, i5 4690K and GTX 970....I now can't really play current games...unoptomized game performance is horrendous. Thankfully I have a good backlog of games and only play in 1080p, but I really want to go to 1440p and play some new games..... Sucks so bad, but I guess I should be happy I even have something.. I wanted to build new a year or so ago, but the pandemic, gpu scarcity, and money problems made this almost impossible. If my GPU or something else goes in my PC, I'm screwed.
Why did they bother to put display output connectors on them...
9:23 " it operated at the amd reference specification"
didn't know amd had a reference spec for a 2060... but i guess they're all blending together this year...
My take is the miners already get the 12gb models way before us. This card is a beast in cryptomining.
It's not. It's the same as the old 2060. Given current prices the 3060 LHR is a better option (and mines better despite LHR for less power) than this one.
If these companies cared about getting cards to people there would be a backorder, a list, a something that lets you buy the GPU NOW, and receive it at a later date. Not a single one of them is offering this. Every queue is disabled. They won't even let us buy the GPU's and show up in person with ID and proof of purchase. They do not care who gets the cards, bots or scalpers, as long as they get their money. There is no shortage, they just don't care where the cards go, so they get bought up in bulk in sit in miners/scalpers inventory, or they go to the TH-camrs/reviewers, OR, they go to a pallet in a warehouse and sit there for months, Or they go to a prebuilt manufacturer.
What's even worse is if you DO have to buy one of these GPU's, like yours is dead in the water and you need something now, you are basically paying for someone else's table scraps, at a 80% inflated price. So many people are buying "NEW" Gpus off of newegg and receiving already opened products, and can you just return it and wait for a real new one? Nope. And if you receive one that's DOA, you don't get a new one, you have to send it back via RMA and have it fixed, so you just paid an 80% premium for a refurbished card that you bought new....
As long as there is no control or regulation over these companies and who/how they sell their cards, they will continue to fuck us all over making the most money they ever have, with nothing the average little guy can do about it besides "Bite the bullet".
NVIDIA didn’t make this for miners either considering the 192 bit bus handicaps this card on the most profitable coin (Ethereum) while likely drawing the same power as other Turing cards making this one only slightly better for mining than an original 2060 and definitely worse than a 2060 super.
The extra VRAM doesn't help miners at all either. NVIDIA's thinking is that the cards will be expensive no matter what, so might as well add extra features that are of some use to non-miners.
@@tdrm Or features that just look nice on the box.
GPU Benchmarks were way more exciting when GPU's actually existed on the market.
Imagine a world where RTX 2060 12GB was sold for 300$ and was in a high supply to give gamers something to replace their 1050ti or older cards
Woah! What happened to the studio?
I actually bought a guitar, just to look somewhere else to sink my time into it. I have a 3090 but gaming isn't as fun as it used to be, Broken ass games, people overhyping, EPIC, shortages, and even more stuff, so yeah, let's find a new hobby!
@h0stile not worth 60 bucks and yet they dare to increase prices xD
@h0stile gamers should push back harder but most of them are fan girling too much xD
I recommended you to take a look into indie games because honestly i having fun way more in indie titles or maybe old triple a titles because either unique gameplay. Or better gameplay
I'm happy the only money Nvidia has gotten from me is from a Gtx 950. My 1070 and 1080ti I bought used and will continue to buy my gpu upgrades from the used market.
The last new card I bought was a 980. After that, likewise, used models only, including 1080 Ti, 1050 Ti, 1060 6GB, 970, RX 580 and, most recently, a 1080 for a very good price from a server OEM. Irony btw is Pascal is far better than Turing/Ampere for NVEnc transcoding, as NVIDIA halved the no. of NVEnc chips on all post-Pascal SKUs.
They've really got to start increasing bandwidth as well as capacity on some of these cards, some feel artificially hindered to keep their lineup relevant.
Which is their own fault for making the lineup in some tiers being wayy to close to allow for future improvements to mean anything without cannibalising the more powerful cards.
Is that a new set? I'm trying to figure out what it is. Are those monitors?
It's all about the money baby, Customers who thinks big companies care about them are Oxymorons.
The market is a tragedy.
A few months ago i sold my dying rx480 for 250 euro, which i bought after the first mining crash for 75 (it had random crashes and artifacts).
I then used the money to buy a new rtx 2060 for 500, which while still a scam, im glad i did.
Gaming performance was just as expected saw a mining review online for this model and as expected it does as good as an AMD RX6600XT but with lower power consumption and lower price point so as expected this was not really made for gamers as miners are going gaga over this and is the reason for why it is barely in stock as they are buying them straight from the source.
I am so glad I grabbed a new 2060 super for $300 back in July of 2020, right before all the insanity started. Everyone said I was stupid for not waiting the couple months for the 30-series cards but I am so glad I didn't listen. The 2060 super has proven to be a more than capable 1440p card, achieving 60+ fps on 95% of games at high/ultra settings.
I tend to look at this way - Nvidia released this one just on time to compete head to toe with the 5600XT. 🙄
I seriously hope the gpu situation starts looking up because my 1070 is showing signs of dying. I've had the money to buy a new gpu for quite a while, but no way in hell I'm paying above MSRP/scalper prices.
I’m praying for your GTX 1070 to survive.
At least all those people that complained about the 2060 having 'only 6gb' can keep silent because as was always the case, 6gb is enough for the 2060
Something that go unnoticed in those charts is that 6700XT is now on par with the 3070 and RX 6800 is on par with the 3080, that's basically 10% more performance in a year trough drivers update...
Actually the 12 game average chart PROVES the 6gb 2060 was gimped with the lack of memory and would not stand up to time as it has the larger bus width and the 12gb version with a gimped bus beats it.
Nvidia has their built in obsolescence down to a science and fanboi's are oblivious to that fact.
Dude, what are you on about? 6gb for 1080p is just fine. Like chill out. 12gb version doesn't make any sense, its made for miners. Did you watch the video or not?
@@vasilije94 Its obvious you were unable to comprehend my post, dude.
@@noanyobiseniss7462 can you explain then? You said that original 2060 was gimped with 6 gb memory. It literally doesnt need more for 1080p gaming. Like again, what I wasnt unable to comprehend there?
Interesting background, wonder what's your guys's plan for next year!