Loki In-Depth Critique and Analysis: The Worst Marvel Show Ever
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ธ.ค. 2021
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Welcome to my critique and analysis for Loki, another installment in the over-decade-long Marvel Cinematic Universe. The show was released on June 9, 2021, and it continued the story of the Loki that escaped with the tesseract in Avengers: Endgame. The show has an 8.2 on IMDb and a 92% on Rotten Tomatoes. Some are saying that this is the best thing that Marvel has ever done in the MCU. And they are all wrong.
Not only does this show single-handedly destroy the character of Loki and give him an arc that makes no sense whatsoever, it completely destroys the entire MCU by voiding the drama of all the past MCU movies and shows. And I will show you exactly how it did that by going through every episode of Season 1 of Loki and point out all the contradictions, inconsistencies, and nonsensical storytelling that is in this show. I hope you enjoy the review.
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Loki is a perfect example of unlocking the boss as a playable Character
underrated comment
Like the old JRPGs.
He has 10,000 hp and 450 attack.
You beat him in a fight and he joins you and he has 1200 hp and 4 attack.
MKX Shinok...
@@shocknawe 1. It's a joke
2. Loki isn't a movie
just like loki in the lego marvel series!
According to marvel universe Loki can lift 30 tons over his head. This was shown when he faced cap. This show actually had no idea all asgardians and frost giants have vast physical strength.
Powerscaling in the MCU is a joke overall tbf
@Paraone Ngatai 😂 oh gosh
Those ‘ton’ level things are inaccurate. For the comics at least. Comic Loki honestly would probably have strength in the millions of tons BARE MINIMUM.
@@ThanosDestroyeryearsago I’ll paste from the “handbook of the marvel universe” published by marvel
“Loki, without the aid of anything, through his own biology, possesses superhuman strength that is substantially superior to that of an average Asgardian male. He possesses sufficient physical strength to lift up to 50 tons.”
That is the new Loki since the marvel universe inflated everyone’s power,
Previously from the time the handbook was first published in 1983 for 30 years after Loki could do 30 tons
@@ransakreject5221 The Ton stuff is still completely inaccurate lmao.
Hulk and Thor are placed at a 100 tons when they are out here destroying universes during battle 💀
Hell, this actually makes Wanda's story worse because the TVA pretty much doomed her to a crappy life over and over.
I don’t know if that is true, since He Who Remains seems to be a pretty good liar and all of this “sacred timeline” could simply be innacurate or an error.
So Wanda is probably a happy person in another universes
@@benjaminjackboot6409 she is
The TVA does not control how your life turns out.
@@jairogers5876 yeah it does
@@jairogers5876 they do though. That’s exactly the point. If they didn’t, then this show would not have happened.
One thing that gets me about this show is... why not just give original Loki Sylvie's plotline? Have him escape on the first meeting with the TVA and have the show be trickster Loki bouncing around the timeline causing chaos and the TVA trying to catch him. Interestingly, this would cast Loki as the villain for the first lot of episodes (albeit a very fun, amusing one the audience will enjoy watching) but then you can flip it on its head by having the TVA be revealed as the real villains after the audience has spent time thinking of them as the good guys, inadvertently forcing Loki to be "good" and defeat them.
Yes! This!
Excellent
See, but that's smart writing, and takes time to do, and who has that right!?
Exactly. Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
Just switch the roles of Loki and sylvie, where he is fine on his own and does what his character does but “get help” from a variant of himself and both play mischief on one another as their characters would rather than the love crap we got
Loki btw not only took on Captain America, he BEAT him pretty easily. Loki is a frost giant and he is much stronger than a Super Soldier. He should've kill those guardians in train in few seconds without any struggles. Why the heck he was nerfed so badly. And of course, his character destroyed even more
Wasn't he drunk at the time?
@@Vossenator even more reason to be more destructive
I think the fact that he is a frost giant has been completely forgotten by the writers. It's not really something that ever comes up after Thor 1, so I think it's likely.
To be fair to cap he hadn’t received much shield combat training and was just thawed out.
Disney writers forgot that Loki is a literal Jotunn, potentially stronger than a God when hes not even trying
Loki also survived the hulk, a human would've been splattered all over the avengers tower from an attack like that, how is a human able to overpower loki?
They needed Loki to be dumb and weak so Sylvie would look better.
White male past 2020 has to be weak as shit. That's the real answer.
It' obvious they used Compound V... wait, wrong show
Only explanation is Hunters have an enhanced version of super soldier serum. If this isn't explained in s2 I'm done. Like they bring in titans and vampires to TVA they'd have to have strength.
@@MicukoFelton it's the old 2012 loki do quite obvious he isn't that experienced and great with his power while Sylvie has been doing all that shit since Her childhood and y'all never look to that and think it's just Sylvie being op but she knows all about it cuz she was with all that. Loki also just came to know about all that in a span of time so how can you say the loki was weak?
The love interest bothered me the most.
I can tell they thought "Loki can only be with someone he can never trick, so they can have trust. AHA, another trickster! He's such a a narcissist, he'll fall in love with himself!"
No. You're wrong.
He MUST have a counterpart he can trick. They MUST be gullible to his schemes.
If there is never the OPTION to trick someone, then not tricking them has no meaning, there is no redemption, there is no trust.
If there is no OPTION for abuse, then a lack of abuse has no meaning.
The best love interests stir their own growth & the growth of the main character.
If not a trickster, then who should Loki be with?
Well, that great question HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED. His wife in the comics(& myths), is Sigyn the goddess of loyalty. Like her, the love interest should've been a good/kind/strong/selfless person that challenged his ideals, and Loki should've been ABLE to trick her. But then CHOOSE not to. That is an eventual redemption arc AND romance arc, a perfect chance for enemies or friends to lovers, and opposing personalities for chemistry. Just one way to do it, I think the "variant" could've been his wife from another timeline where he didn't exist. A large mix of these things would've worked. But instead Loki falls in love with someone who doesn't challenge his self-centered evil pity party, and is also an ill-tempered trickster. Blegh.
Minor point, but why is Slyvie called 'Sylvie'? Why isn't she called 'Loki' like the others? Why does she have blonde hair? All the Lokis had black hair, and even the child version had black hair.
@@Ergeniz this is a good point
@@gud9706 because the actress didn't want to dye her hair or wear a wig?
@@Ergeniz she wanted to be anything other than a Loki, also she had to disguise herself from the TVA
@@Ergeniz she changed her name. she literally says this in the show.
when i watched this, i was like "wtf happened to loki here? this guy that plotted to end the world and kill the avengers by destroying them from inside and his pride couldn't take that an earthling smashed him to the ground was so dumb and moronic in this show" not to mention, this show takes place after the first avenger so he didn't had that build up to being the better guy like in thor ragnarok. he just saw his death and he just became this goofy, concerned for others guy. i swear, loki is the most inconsistent character in MCU.
different loki, probably just a stupider and more empathetic version of the one we know
Don’t worry, he watched a movie about his character arc, so that’s almost the same as getting that development
He experienced his whole arc from the last ten movies in 40 seconds. Seeing your death and yourself amounting to something more would be life-changing. It was great.
@@asher_chs " more empathic " that one who was about to kill everyone on earth in Avengers 2012 including his brother....is more empathic than the Thor Ragnarok one ??? Lol
@@moona3206 yes
I have a theory that Mobius is actually a human variant of Lightning McQueen.
Go on. Prove me wrong. I dare you. 😤👌
He can't be a variant of McQueen because they don't have the same skin colour. Checkmate
@@theelectricprince8231 lmao
@@theelectricprince8231 but They can say thr wow
I read that as Morbius. I think I'm going morbius.
@@seanarro I guess it's Morbin Time, my guy! 😤👌💯💯💯
Let's be honest and say that the MCU is too convoluted now; shows feel more like homework than actual entertainment.
😂 I'm glad I dropped off at Endgame.
I'll stick with anime. If the MCU is homework, anime is like recess.
@@DanielZeal Endgame is terrible too. Infinity War is a far superior film, and ending. Half of everyone died, the end.
It could have been good, in competent hands.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp endgame is not terrible
it is a flawed but satisfying ending
@@eatin_a_keyboard In Endgame, Thor is ruined. Hulk is ruined. Even managed to ruin Thanos. It's the most formulaic in terms of all the various Marvel-isms. There's constant joke after joke in nearly every scene. Time travel plot not excused just because it's Marvel. This movie was so disappointing.
Also, regarding Pompeii, may I also point out that only 10% of the population died? So that whole “no survivors” thing doesn’t work for that event either.
The events aren’t supposed to be accurate,hell Loki was DB cooper lol
And Loki shouldn’t be throwing *LETTUCE* around and saying corny things like “BE FREE MY HORNED FRIENDS!” Like seriously Tom? What *WAS* this ‘acting’ choice? He’s *DEFINITELY* going through his mid-life crisis in *THIS* show! my mother who is/was a huge fan seriously thought that he was on *DRUGS* his acting was so off!
Pompei* but yeah you're right
They ruined Loki's character here. 2012 Loki is supposed to be a cunning villain but they just do away with all that by "showing" his future and then he just...accepts it and becomes Silvie's lap dog.
he was not just cunning .. he alwyas had that "good side" and in TRA he saw his own future ,,, of course he is going to get affected ,,,
@@harshkumarf4379 TRA? :)
They're screwing up a wonderful arc from the comics. During the Seige of Asgard his machinations blow up in his face spectacularly and he ends up getting killed by The Void. When he comes back he's just a kid and realizes he really does love Thor and wants to do good for once. Given that he's a trickster god his ways of going about being good are unorthodox but highly entertaining. His end goals are different but he's still essentially the same character. Plus it gave us one of my favorite exchanges ever:
KidLoki: The humans of the internet are uncouth! I told them I'm an Asgardian God and they called me a troll!
Thor: ...but you're part giant.
KidLoki: That's what I said!
@@harshkumarf4379even if he switched his morals, he still becomes Silvie’s lap dog.
Also his intelligence and strength have been nerfed horribly
Exactly. Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
It makes me furious how Hiddleston was given the short end of the stick on this show, after being this character for ten years. Tom poured ten years of devotion to this character, and this is what he gets? Do better, Marvel.
Is that last bit a reference to Falcon's speech from FATWS?
@@koencagurangan3256 well, it’s part reference and part begging for Marvel to get back to how they were.
@@koencagurangan3256 you've gotta do better senator!
Idk what you expect. He started off as a one off villain. To keep a character interesting over a bunch of movies and a show, he’s gotta change as a character a lot. He’s changed in small ways here and there but it makes sense to me that learning that all of reality doesn’t function how you thought and that nothing is as important as you once thought, and that you also don’t really have a say in how things turn out- I could see how all of that would force Loki to change in a way we’ve never seen. Gotta remember, he’s technically a variant.
@@abstraktfilms Stop it. He was just committing genocide a few hours before admitting he never really enjoyed hurting people. Show destroyed his character.
I felt like Loki wasn’t the Loki we’ve known for 10 years and it’s kinda dumb too. I completely forgot it even existed after finishing watching. The mcu is terrible now and critics are still giving good ratings (not eternals)
I really do not trust a lot of "Certified" critics. If you read some of their reviews a lot of them make points that make no sense. It's like they aren't judging movies by their merit anymore or how actually good it is.
The mcu is the same quality as before with the only exception being loki that is completely awfull other that the whole franchise goes from below average to above average with never actually reaching good as always. Except if you count Daredevil which is actually the best thing the mcu made.
@@theenrichmentcritic yeah as long as it has an avenger in the film it’s a good film according to them.
Maybe because not everyone likes to hate on popular things like you.
Don't think about ,just enjoy the pretty colors.
Also if the TVA makes everyone loose their powers inside it then why Loki is not in his original frost giant form?
In my opinion, I think they literally just forgot that Loki is a Frost Giant, there hasn't been anything much-related to him being a Frost Giant since Thor 1..
@@LaufeysonzSo much for the several-days-long ‘Loki lecture’ that Tom gave the cast and crew. 😢😪
The Tom Hiddleston Loki look is an Asgardian enchantment put on him by Odin and Frigga. It's magic tied to his soul, so it's not him casting the look onto himself, it's basically just who he is, it can only be broken in death or when using Joten abilities. Also, I think the "no powers" rule was a little fib. I think they have power draining abilities built into the time collars, but without that, they kept telling him the powers wouldn't work, though they can. Loki made a sword in the "Time Keepers'" Chambers, but didn't even realize it. The Infinity Stones don't work because they can't work outside of their own universe.
It wasn't his magic doing that, it's an Asgardian enchantment
so are you just gonna ignore the frost giant Loki variant teased in Loki and shown in What If...?@@Laufeysonz
I think Fringy had a good point in his Endgame review. The rules of time travel set forth by both Endgame and Loki are inherently incompatible. That said, he had the luxury of ignoring Loki's rules since it came out after Endgame. Endgame sets the standard, even if it breaks its own rules, which it does.
When analyzing Loki, we don't have that luxury. The rules of time travel set by Loki cannot coexist with Endgame.
I hate how much of a mess the MCU is right now. Endgame needed to set the standard for time travel (or just fucking avoid it, which would've been the sensible route), Loki should've expanded on the concept, and set up the Multiverse, and MoM should've expanded on that.
Multiverse is the new Infinity Stones, and they've already blundered it.
time travel should be avoided at all costs, and shouldn't have been used as a plot point in Endgame, but they wanted their "Greatest Hits" movie too badly.
Tbh Classic Loki (Richard E Grant Loki) is probably the most interesting character in the show. He’s had a strong character arc (of course that’s not saying much) and showed how good the main Loki could have been had he not been undermined by Sylvie.
That's kind of the Loki I wanted to see in the show. Loki's arc here felt like it was rushed as he realized he doesn't enjoy hurting people and that he wants to be better over 1 episode when it took the mainline version years to even choose a different path.
I would've preferred a show where Loki was straight up evil for most of its duration and then upon seeing how different versions of himself have accomplished their goals and were ultimately left with nothing but emptiness and no loved ones, he decides to set things right only for the finale to reveal that his actions throughout the series led to the rise of a greater evil in Kang The Conqueror.
I don't like to entertain it when someone says that Loki was undermined by Sylvie, while actually both these rich characters were undermined by the heavy plot.
At least, Loki had lines that directly spoke for his character development. While sylvie's descent into madness was barely explained/portrayed honestly bcoz the focus was on kang and Loki. Ep 5 did the same with the blanket-meadow conversation, that could be very dark and real, considering their tragic lives, especially Sylvie's. But no it was passed on as cute fluff, which I wasn't entirely opposed to atm.
I think what we really need is a show that is equally plot and character driven- that explores both these rich characters, and weaves their story with the multiverse. That's a much better way to address it than to put it on sylvie, who is a very capable protagonist herself. Let's not undermine her story.
@@stephanie154 One of my disappointments with the MCU's Disney+ shows are how plot-driven they are. While I don't think that's a inherently bad way to write a story, given how already much of their movies are that way, I expected their shows to take advantage of their longer runtime and have their stories be driven more by the exploration and actions of the protagonist(s).
My point in relation to 'LOKI' is that I agree that both Sylvie and Loki's arcs were underserved by the shows script (the former suffers from this more given that this is her first MCU appearance) and I think one of the many reasons that was the case was that the series like most other MCU D+ projects, is more concerned with the world-building of the timeline, TVA and building up the mystery behind the Time Keepers and then later He Who Remains with sparse moments of character "building" showing Loki and Sylvie bonding, but nothing much more fulfilling from a characterization standpoint imo
I'd generally attribute the MCU's usual insistence on the 6-epsiode template for most of their shows on why they feel unfleshed out and have rushed finales but not Loki. I think in its case, 6 episodes would've been sufficient for telling a more compelling and narratively enriching storyline with more character depth, it's the way they used them and what they decided to focus them on that I think led to Loki's underwhelming characterization.
@@themadtitan7603 i totally agree. Kinda want for them to tap into different genres now. Whatever does justice to the character, irrespective of the MCU moving forward or popular comic book runs being adapted. Just a good story. And palpable execution/adaptation.
We have MK dealing with gods and stuff but their writing is smart and thus manages to portray the protagonist, the supporting characters and the final showdown without undermining any one. It isn't perfect but it works, while the loki show essentially lacks nuance and subtlety in it's execution, even tho their plot and characters hold mad potential!
Episode 6 is very meta. Only if the writers were honest towards Sylvie's story, it'd be perfect in my books.
@@stephanie154 Yes, I especially agree with delving deeper into other genres like most of WandaVision, Eternals, and Moon Knight and Black Panther (regardless of what people think of that film) is what the MCU should do if they aim to make their projects more individual and/or distinct. Because while they say that's what they do with a lot of their projects, it's often only them dabbling in these other genres but having the same fundamental plot structure, "general tone" and method of approaching characters.
You've put more thought into this show in the first 15 mins than the writers did the entire show
The first 20 minutes of this review is exactly why I'm iffy on time travel. It's SOOOOO easy to mess up the continuity and stuff
We know you loved the smart witty charismatic trickster that is Loki enough to make a whole show around his character. Now watch us turn him in to an idiot that doesn't use trickery, forgets his powers and learns his lessons by getting his ass kicked by women over and over again unto one finally kicking him in the balls over and over.
And people actually enjoyed this garbage
you mean to tell me LOKI couldn’t outsmart THE TIME VARIANCE AUTHORITY ON HIW OWN?!?!?!?!?! THE ORGANIZATION RUN BY A VARIANT OF KANG THAT DICTATES ALL TIME??!?!?? NO FUCKING WAY!!!!
😑 did the infinity stones in episode 1 not make it obvious enough that loki had finally met his match???? y’all are just absolute idiots who have no critical thinking skills and then you get on the internet and whine about everything you don’t understand.
the show is being praised because it’s great. cope.
no reason to add the women part but k
@@hotcrossmybuns3782 the reason they added the women part is because that's exactly what happens in the series, so there is actually a reason to add it.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp it’s like they’re insinuating the women are supposed to be inferior of some sort to be doing such feats to Loki. i don’t think it was logical either but to add “women” is completely irrelevant and unnecessary to me idk
Loki was the only show I had any interest in for phase four. The first episode completely shattered any investment I had in the character. This is not Loki. This is a poor substitute for the mischievous chaotic genius seen in the rest of the MCU. How a character is treated on screen is how the audience will think of them, it's why I could never take Kylo Ren seriously, because the first main character to interact with him immediately treated him like a joke. Loki became the punchline of his own series and I'm not tuning in to season two to watch him get treated like garbage.
well the focus was in the TBA and i cant tell how you can get all of this in one episode,
also from the beginning Loki was a joke
@@mikayelalikhanyan1587 Have you watched the video? In it, he literally said that Loki always had comedic elements to his character, but was a powerful villain, who was feared in avengers
@@cseve8801 he was feared in avengers bc he was an unknown threat to everyone except thor…The TVA are vastly powerful and exist outside of time and space so obviously this is going to kind of shocking for someone like him lmao
@truu made me appreciate the older versions of Loki from previous films, not this garbage.
@truu he didnt do anything really. Sylvie took the spotlight
I think the mistake is loki falling in love with himself. Loki is to arrogant for that. Loki loved himself more than anything( not a variant). Remember this is the same person who killed his own younger self because he loves his version and his alone. Loki has never gotten along with other versions of himself. In fact he doesn't even like other versions of himself to be happy because he feels it reflects on himself
I don’t understand how the other lokis are lokis. They have nothing in common with him. There are no base like character traits. Sylvie seemed like a generically good person. I can say nothing beyond that. Was she a god of mischief in her timeline? I have no idea
are you dumb... Loki is a narcissist of course he'll fall in love with himself.
Loki is a narcissist not just arrogant, so he literally loves the girl version of himself. Psychologically it makes perfect sense actually, like you can’t get more dead on than that. He doesn’t get along with other versions of himself because he doesn’t get along with himself he’s flawed that’s why he’s a villain. He’s supposed to have a growth moment when he is confronted with his future, and true lifes purpose or worth. You know he runs from it, but can’t get away, and then sort of character shifts to semi playing nice with Mobias
Loki doesn't see her as a cheap version of himself but a capable and amazing person of her own. Sylvie's tragic story is unique to her and honestly quite powerful. I can see why Loki would straight up start worshipping her. And that's what explains the romance for me. It's not derived by hedonism or narcissism, but it's rooted in sympathy and fascination.
That was just fucking weird. Shouldn’t need any further criticism/analysis than that
I honestly blame Loki's character falling apart on Thor Ragnarok. It was a good movie, but it kind of opened the gate to him being less ruthless/intense and more comedic then the show just made it worse.
That wasn't really the problem tho because almost right after he was killed off
@@shyfoxfeatherhere6446 “it kind of opened the gate”
Agreed, Ragnarok undermine his character
It would definitely fall apart when the family issues that took a part in his character were sorted in Ragnarok.
The development is basically gone at that point.
Yep. I think Loki's character became less interesting from then on. I think his redemption actually started during Dark World, but there the route it took made more sense, and Thor was the comedic character there which he had always been... so it worked. Sure, the Dark World had many issues, but I think if they kept much of the tone and the characterisation of Loki and just worked his redemption from there in the way that would have made sense for that Loki, that would have been a bit more respectful to his character, imo.
I think the thing that pissed me off the most was when loki and sylvie caused the nexus event on a planet that was going to be destroyed.. They said it was because Loki "fell in love with himself"... sounds like a completely bs made up reason that they pulled out of their ass.
how the tesseract is on earth in 1943 ,frozen with steve until 2011 ,then in California in the early 90's with shield and Cap marvel.
@@freebarbecue622 because The tessaract was found alot earlier
The Nexus event was them accepting death. That isn't Kang's plan, they have to reach him, so giving up causes Kang to hit the panic button and make the TVA go pick them up.
I was 99% sure of that while listening to him monolog in the last episode and the kiss caught me by surprise because didn't they just go over in detail that he paved the way for them to get to him?
@@freebarbecue622 No the cube melted through the ship and at the end of the movie it shows Howard Stark find it with a sub in his search for cap, hence why Fury had it in the credit scene of Thor 1, which was before cap was even found. This shows suck but you’re wrong as fuck lol
@@sofiadragon6520 Oh that actually makes a lot of sense
Like most properties these days, the best thing about them BY FAR is the music. For some reason, composers are still competent.
The Loki music is incredible. Much like Rey's theme from new star wars, the music is on another level, while the writing is beyond amateur.
I thought the cinematography as well was pretty solid all throughout. As well as set designs, for what they were going for it was great. Still a trash show.
It's incredible that the composer, Natalie Holt, made the entire soundtrack based on Jonathan Major's performance
Music is good because you cannot make music woke. Ehm...ambient soundtracks, at the very least.
@@jonathanalexander9881 yeah, you cant get hired as a composer merely by espousing feminism and racial equity, but you CAN get a writing job on major productions MERELY by espousing feminism and racial equity.
I've nothing against Tom Hiddleston as a person, but they should have never allowed him to take part in the creative process. He's far from the only problem, but he has wanted a Loki love story with the enchantress since forever and it came out like a mediocre fanfic, not to mention it's basically twincest since they have the same DNA, but it's not like he hasn't played a role like that before.
As a bisexual myself I was kinda insulted they'd use something like that just as a token gesture for the writer's own wish fulfilment.
Loki is an amazing character and they just made him a simp without any of his trademark intelligence or opportunistic nature that we love.
Yeah, like it is just thrown in there and it is praised to the high heavens like it's the first time a non-straight character is featured in a major piece of media.
@@theenrichmentcritic And as you said, second laters they start setting up the romance with Sylvie. Priority my arse, they were trying to soften the blow of the inevitable forced straight romance they were going for. I mean how can you have a FEMALE Loki and not make her a love interest, right? And ofc a male love interest would' require too much censoring for China lol Why did we need a love story again?
The fact that they would rather showcase an incestual relationship over a queer relationship and continually refuse to use the words gay, lesbian, bi, etc. just pisses me off.
Incest? How?
@@coppermoth6069 I think the term they're looking for is selfcest.
It's really a shame cause Loki is a lot of people's favourite character. What I really hate about the show is the TVA and how Loki goes from being a powerful god to weak and falling in love with his alternate self which felt so forced and out of place. I hated it
Exactly. Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
@@howellaboutno9500 I'm holding out hope that this whole series he's been plotting to take over the TVA as it is "the greatest power in the universe" and everything he has been displaying so far is to throw the audience into a false sense of "character development"
@@danielelder6361 Haha I gave up that hope a long time ago
@@howellaboutno9500 dude, stop the copypasta
None of it felt out of place.
Damn
A Thanos variant teamup with Loki
Would have saved the show
Don't know about saving the show... but it would have been a lot of fun
**Reads the tittle** OMG FINALLY, I'm over all the parrots saying this is the best Disney+ show, the damn thing is bad.
This is pretty much the definition of character assassination and it’s really unfortunate because Loki is such an interesting character if he actually acts like he naturally would
Exactly. Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
@@howellaboutno9500Everything is a problem for you huh😂
@@user-no4tw6ee8s Honestly my biggest issue with the show is just how out of character Loki is. I can enjoy the rest if they kept some semblance of his character. You have to admit it’s annoying having a show named Loki but then morphing him into someone unrecognizable?
@@howellaboutno9500 I think this series is concentrated more for the multiverse rather than for loki.
@@user-no4tw6ee8s Then it shouldn’t be named Loki bro. Name it “Into the Multiverse” or something. Anyways their stupid multiverse plot has so many plot holes it’s insane. They should have used the multiverse to further Loki’s character rather than use Loki to further the multiverse plot.
One thing that heavily let me down in this show was the confirmation of Loki being Genderfluid and the mishandling of said representation, or in better words, lack of handling. Most people don’t know but as pointed out by many medias, in the first episode on a file the TVA has about Loki, it states his Gender is Fluid. Great, so why can’t the TVA or any other Loki wrap their mind around the evil Loki Variant being a female?
If the TVA are stated to know Loki’s Gender Identity before Loki himself knows it than they should be able to take into account that the Loki their dealing with may not present or even be male, but they don’t. Atleast their not shocked like the 6 other Loki variants we see who all act like a Female Loki is terrifying despite the fact that CANNONLY, THEY ARE ALL GENDERFLUID. WHAT.
If this show wasn’t actively written with the thought process of Loki being genderfluid it should have never been edited into the show, point blank period. Everything the show does contradicts it’s tacked on half-assed take on representation, and that’s not even heading the part where they made their “Genderfluid” Bi Representation a villain who dies multiple times and falls in love with himself.
I hate this show so much
I know right?? The 'representation' bothered me so much the more I thought about it.
Especially with how much they advertised how it was gonna be presented in the series when it was barely shown in a proper way at all.
@@user.LCW01 like 😭😭😭😭 i’m all for representation but if your representation 1) holds no meaning and 2) isn’t even written into the actual media, why the fuck is it there!? Like, i’m happy that Loki’s cannon bi but it’s not like he’s ever had a romantic partner prior or that I expect him to live long enough to keep a romantic partner so like??? What’s the point?? Also don’t talk to me about Sylki that shits so stupid ik their dating but that’s not rep that’s just weird
I love this show 🥰
@@krzysztofostrowski4788 ok? Good for you ig
Yes honestly at the end of the day all they had to do was to tell a decent enough compelling story
Remember Dormammu in Dr Strange, a being that wasn't affected by time? So what does this lore add for that guy? Does he aware of it? Yet why when Dr Strange uses a reverse time spell he seems shocked by the concept of time? It was so fascinating how they added useless lore and worldbuilding that destroyed the previous setting.
This show doesn't only make most stuff happening before it redundant, but it also breaks not only established mcu logic/lore, but the logic of ITS. OWN. SHOW. If all of the stuff the Avengers did in endgame was pre-planned by kang, then tony getting hit so loki could get the tesseract would also have to have been planned, otherwise the avengers wouldn't have had a single reason to go back to a different time in order to obtain it. And if that somehow wasn't planned, then how come cap and tony weren't arrested by them? They would have gone back to a time they shouldn't have been allowed to be in, which would make them variants, no?
I'm aware that Marvel movie lore is now separate from its comic counterpart, however I just assumed that they would treat infinity stones with the same magic/scifi rules which is that infinity stones cannot be used outside their own dimensions.
So even if Thanos came to the organization he wouldn't be able to use any of the infinity stones that were not a part of his dimension. However the reason why I think that might not be the case now in the movie lore is because of the "WHAT IF..." animated series since Ultron used infinity stones outside his dimension 🤷
This show pissed me off. In the rest of the Marvel Universe, he is so powerful, but for some reason in this show they gimped him so hard that he gets beat up by a mere human as soon as it starts. Then he becomes an emasculated, weak tool for the rest of the show instead of being the cunning villain he was in the Avengers.
Feels like this is the fate of any franchise where they just keep adding and adding more narrative content. Instead of sticking to a certain limited scope with beginning, middle and end, wrapping the story conclusively and letting it rest. (like Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, for example)
Of course this kind of approach doesn't GUARANTEE a good story but it's a very important first step. Any story can benefit from these two things, I think - a skeleton (some sort of basic plan of where the story is meant to go and how it's meant to end) and a proper, conclusive, definitive ending (so no unnecessary spin-offs, sequels, prequels, whatever).
What's wrong with FMA Brotherhood?
@@Ergeniz I think they mean the opposite, it's not going the FMA route and giving it a complete storyline, they're going the Naruto route and accidently running the consistency of characters and plot into the ground.
The telekinesis really bothers me. We see Loki running for his life or stranded somewhere on foot, but if he has such powerful telekinesis can’t he just lift himself up and fly around? Or lift something that he stands on?
I feel bad because I really want to like this show because of how much I love Loki and Tom Hiddleston. When I first watched it, I saw the problems, but I just tried to ignore them because it hurts to see him butchered so bad I just want to pretend it’s good even though it isn’t.
And I hate Sylvie. Why why why why give Loki a generic love interest and strip him of all the personality that made us love him to elevate HER as cool and tough? This is “LOKI” not “SYLVIE”.
This show really breaks my heart. It’s not fun to hate, it just makes me sad.
Same it really makes me sad too when i have to watch tiktok videos of loki when i miss him when he has a whole show.
@@thatgirloncommentsection8798
The fandom: This year I lost my dear Loki
Loki: quit telling everyone I'm dead!
The fandom: sometimes I can still hear his voice
I *TOTALLY* agree!
Exactly. I really wanted to like it. 31:33 Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
I hated what they did to Loki’s character and I hated how the writers came up with “oh yeah he’s gonna date himself.” Everyone in the entire show was just like yeah, that’s weird. They have the same mother and it’s basically is selfcest, so I don’t get why they thought that was a good idea. I have an idea don’t have love interest or have one that isn’t related towards him in anyway.
Also before they kissed, Loki was literally ignoring the fact that they’re the same person and that she could feel the exact same things as him because they’re the same person. Then they kissed 🤢
ah youre one of those people xD
There are worse problems in the show
Exactly. Three episodes into season two and I’m PISSED. This isn’t even about Loki anymore. I don’t fucking care about the plot or literally any other character. I hate Sylvie. I want this to be about LOKI. Loki’s internal conflicts, his emotional trauma, his story?
Like a few weeks ago this guy got so upset over finding out he was adopted, he tried to enslave a planet with an alien race. But all it took was seeing his mom die and suddenly he’s goody two-shoes?
Ok, ok, yes it would impact his character. But we SEE how it does in Ragnarok! He’s still Loki. This Loki is unrecognizable. This latest episode, 1863 or whatever, he literally just reacts to situations around him without any character or flair or unique lines or emotion. He’s a side character in his own show. He just chases after people, works for people, and has no explanation for his motives.
He is the God of MISCHIEF and we haven’t seen him do anything mischievous in an entire season and a half. And he’s so dumb now?? He went from stabbing his brother to kissing and putting full trust in a variant of HIM (A KNOWN TRICKSTER) he met like, a few hours ago?
I loved Loki’s character and I love Tom Hiddleston’s acting. This is a complete waste. I don’t even look forward to new episodes anymore because we get less and less Loki screen time.
Once again, I am proven that Disney ruins everything it touches. I already decided to never see another Disney film in theaters and right about now I’m thinking of ending my Disney+ subscription after this season. So sad, really. They had so much potential.
I was sincerely expecting to watch a series where Loki was finally the protagonist, to see him flourish as a character since he has only been used as a villain/comic relief/motivation for his brother in the movies. too bad this series didn’t give me anything that wasn’t a couple or good scenes, cool aesthetic, good soundtrack, and Owen Wilson.
Even worse, this series took away meaning from a character i was expecting to cherish even more.
also, i’m lgbt+, and that bisexuality line turned out to feel like a big slap in the face of the audience, especially fans who are part of the community. Loki has some decent lgbt+ canon in the comics (and, a-ehm, in the mythology itself!) but seeing it written so poorly in the series, and seeing it praised as the most progressive statement disney could make, only makes me hate the series even more.
all the more that disney itself is known to shove into oblivion the really good series who picture lgbt+ characters 1000 times better (the owl house mention was unexpected and much appreciated!)
Loki was subjugated to pretty bad mistreatment from both Mobius and Sylvie, and that is somehow a good thing according to the show's point of view. People are literally shipping Lokius and Sylki, which I don't get but am fine with, suit yourselves. But they're delusional when they say those relationships are canonically healthy.
Even though I really liked Loki, I agree that these problems are really frustrating, the big one being that it focuses on Loki at first then moves to TVA and Sylvie, and moved back to Loki at the end
I mean Sylvie is loki
@@Dagg3r559 they wanted to give her a backstory it’s just that it kinda took the spotlight away from Loki for 2 eps
@@Dookieman1975 then again Sylvie is Loki
@@Dagg3r559 yeah but different characters, they could’ve made more time for Loki but I still liked them. Also that kinda makes the romance questionable
@@Dookieman1975 but then again Sylvie is Loki
i'm just mad because of all the wasted potential. i wanted to see a strong, powerful loki (finally!) doing mischief and using his MAGIC. imagine what they could have done if they did let him cause trouble in the past as many guessed it would be. instead, they give him a childish story in which he wasn't even the main character.
I'm from the future, over a year from now, the general consensus will be that Loki is one of the best if not the best MCU show ever.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THANK YOU SO MUCH
"TVA has taken multiple stones and the realities don't branch"
Yes this comes about for the reason that you mentioned. The writer Michael Waldron's baby is the TVA - so he is trying to turn them into badasses. He decided he would make Loki and the Infinity Stones look like 'bullshix' - his words by the way - in order to make us pay attention to his baby. I'm not even going to comment on this beyond telling you why the Infinity Stones are useless pieces of junk in the TVA's drawer per Michael Waldron.
So he actually made the TVA the fictional organization equivalent of a fanfic self insert Mary Sue? Great...
My sister and I watched the first episode and then we didn’t watch the show again. We were confused. I was disappointed because Loki is my fave marvel character
@@MalcomOS1 wow unnecessarily rude. Who the fuck hurt you? It wasn’t written well anyways so convoluted
Turns out that you were just thinking small.
The problem i have with is loki’s fights, loki could’ve EASILY taken out the tva with not only his strength but his magic, and considering the feats he’s shown in the books, he’s really nerfed
And don’t forget that he got KNOCKED UNCONSCIOUS with a VACUUM CLEANER!
How are y'all missing that those collars stop beings from using their powers how did the person who made this video forget this???
@@NeggieKnight he was already cuffed
5:50 Yeah, that’s why in the comics the Men in Black organization considers the TVA a joke and time travels all the time anyways. The TVA aren’t exactly respected and well-armed. That’s their character in the comics. However if you’re still going off of the comics, Loki still beats the TVA. He’s an asgardian ice giant, and doesn’t need the tesseract to be powerful, but for some reason the MCU made him out to be like a pathetically weak human.
The TVA is actually a Thing in the Comics?
@@johannesseyfried7933 you have the internet
@@self4797 A good Point. :)
I was just surprised. It never occurred to me that the TVA *could* be from the Comics. I thought they came up with it exclusively for the Show.
@@johannesseyfried7933 to be fair, the TVA does feel too stupid to exist anywhere but in this show.
@@self4797 and you have no friends
Loki is on par with CW superhero shows, the writing, the acting, the scene blocking, direction are all garbage. Some scenes are set so poorly made that they looked so bad, they were comparable to Indian soaps. The blocking and acting was atrocious! Owen Wilson andTom Hiddleston were so obviously on another level from this whole show.
Except the CW superhero shows are good shows and so is Loki
@@deadpooldan9862 wrong on all counts
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp how? They’re nor bad shows, at least not as bad as people say they are, they’re enjoyable and so is Loki
@@deadpooldan9862 you can enjoy them, but that doesn't mean they are good. The writing is bad. Many dumb or confusing decisions. I mean just watch like the first 20 minutes of the video. Awful writing
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp it’s not awful, it’s just not great, doesn’t make it bad
It's funny because this video showed up on my page right after watching why the Loki show was perfect 🤣🤣🤣
Remember all the other Loki variants that have been pruned/transported to that place? Even though the TVA is a bunch of human variants with prune sticks, they have successfully caught and pruned EVERY LOKI SHOWN.
This whole series seems like a fan fiction the more I think of it. Sylvie is the only Loki that has surpassed the TVA, but seems to only have enchantment as her uniqueness(besides being a female).
She enchants a cloud that would consume anything it touches, but she can only enchant people through physical contact.
Even if Kang is more powerful than... idk, everyone. We haven't even seen any of his innate abilities to actually see him as a threat, especially since he voluntarily gives up his throne/position, with a nonthreatening demeanor, like the Wizard of Oz
The TVA headquarters looked like an entire city, but whole time during the fight between Loki, Sylvie, and the "Time Keepers", there's no alarm or rushing for support/backup.
Why people liked this show so much is beyond me. All it does is nerf Loki both physically and mentally, give him a narcissistic love story and strip him of his personality. This show is proof that Marvel can put out anything that features fan favorite characters and people will like it regardless of it's quality.
Actually, no.
Loki is the first time we learn multiple timelines.
The TVA storyline is allegory of orginzed religion.
The TVA aslo is just setting up Kang.
Plus... It's literally taken from the comic, so your beef isn't with the show, it's with the actual comic book story of the TVA.
@@kamoheloiannk617 How is Loki the first time we learn of multiple timelines if the Avengers went back in time in Endgame and The Ancient One explained it to Hulk/Banner
@@GodsNut explained slightly not seen in loki they were explained a little more and shown so yea
@@theldeliveryman8978 But the comment said the first time learned, which isn't true.
@@GodsNut idk the ancient one didn’t really say anything important i think he(or she) just meant first time in detail
The fact this is the only mcu show to have a confirmed S2 is sad to me, wandavision dosent need one, it was simple and sweet, tfatws could definitely have a S2 and hawkeye could benifits from a S2 too
It’s the only good marvel tv show. Moon knight was trash, captain America was unwatchable, Hawkeye was just bad, and wandavision was stupid if you didn’t grow up with television as a family member
@@coyotebones1131 nah hawkeye was great and wandavision was good until the ending which had poor writing, falcon & winter soldier was pretty mediocre tho and i havent seen moon knight. Opinions tho
By simple and sweet do you mean piece of crap?
@@porassrivastava8242 no I mean it was good
@@coyotebones1131 Garbage take. Moon knight, daredevil, Jessica Jones and agents of shield stomp loki
I hate this show, honestly
Not only does it break, misunderstand or change pretty much everything that is a recurring element from the MCU, its just plain unfocused and lacks any style or direction. It wants to be a fantasy adventure, a buddy-cop show, a character study, a philosophical sci- fi romp, a romance (?), a mystery, and a marvel film, and it fails at all of them equally because it isn't good at any particular one and lacks the proper runtime to fully develop any of its parts in any way.
It's also plain ugly to look at. The visuals are all brown or yellow and it all has this overly simple digital look that makes all the scenes feel without any sort of depth of field. The pandemic probably forced them to cut a lot of corners in terms of how many chacters were on screen, as for a supposedly high-budget disney show many of the sequences end up being the same bunch of characters talking in empty ugly rooms about the same stuff over and over trying to emulate Whedon-esque remarks and quips at each other. Same thing for the action sequences.
Narrative-wise, it's all over the place: safe to say the biggest influences are Doctor Who and funnily enough, Rick and Morty (two other sci fi-fantasy shows which blend concepts from different genres), yet it fails because it lacks the creativity to do anything new with it's premise.
As to why the TVA seems so ill-equiped and incompetent both in terms of its resources and agents, I took it as a way for the show to make it feel... somewhat believable I guess, as having it be more powerful and with more abilities would make such a bureacracy too overpowered/more overpowered than it already is. Hence why the only equipment they have are batons and poorly-explained time bombs.
They also keep talking about universes when refering to the characters which inhabit the MCU and like, you know a universe isn't just the earth right? On that topic, this show doesn't seem to know exactly what constitutes as a universe or a timeline. Is a universe another reality with a different set of rules? is it different versions of a character, like crocodile Loki? is an alternate timeline a different path? It seems to use both terms interchangebly, but that creates the issue that the rules of the multiverse are undefined and therefore, we never really get a grasp on the stakes
Is everyone a 3 year old. Loki is pretty much the best marvel made after the first iron man… tf is everything crying about. You guys seem to only like dumbed down action movies and hate character depth and development.. tf
Literally the best piece of marvel content in years for both s1 and 2 I swear everyone in this comment section and the video creator himself were all simultaneously smoking crack
cant agree more
literally im having a tough time reading these comments and see that people didnt like the show because loki changed as a character which we have already seen him do in ragnarok but it was js sped up bc he literally saw the future and even then he was still not fully a good character
The whole concept felt really good though, a Trickster god traveling through dimensions with his partner Owen Wilson
Was it actually dimensions,universes or timelines ?
@@freebarbecue622 who the f*ck knows anymore? Not marvel. Just consume product, and don't ask questions like a good sheep.
owen wilson wasn't his partner and rarely travelled with Loki. There was no Trickster as his power in this show was thoroughly weakened. What in the hell are you talking about, Celloph...? The show and concept was not done well and A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE did NOT feel really good about this. You are in the minority. You have to have better reasons than that to like this awful show!
did you even bother to read the comments below by "Old King Spook"? they are great.
@@lukeyznaga7627 bruh theyre saying that the CONCEPT of the premise COULD have been going, but in actuality wasnt
I just want to point out that Loki was in possession of the Mind Stone and used it throughout the Avengers so he very well should know how to control people through magic just like Sylvie
he didnt have the mind stone in the series lol
In advance of watching this I will say that I hate how:
- They nerfed him
- They humiliate him time and time again and forget what makes him such a fun villain and a compelling character for the sake of comedy because apparently they're uncreative now.
- They basically shoved him into a bad wattpad fanfiction - and that's an insult to wattpad fanfiction, imo.
- They had him get buff when part of his aesthetic appeal and what makes him stand out in contrast to Thor is that he's slender... and all that for some fanservice shorts?
- They basically replace him with all those variants including a Mary Sue-esque female Loki variant who isn't even called Loki like what???
- They got him to date himself in female form basically which I think took away the opportunity for the other half to be a positive influence on him - not to change him, people change themselves, they can't just be changed at the drop of a hat by someone... just encourage him to be like "and you know what, this probably isn't the best way to go about life" and then stumble towards a better solution, kind of like Frigga's affection made him want to avenge her and made him, if reluctantly, join forces with his brother again. (Even if he also ultimately utilised it to steal he throne for himself, that was still kind of progress. And that kind of progress is probably always going to be slow and flawed, but that's also what keeps us on the edge of our seats.)
- His bit with the character that basically could have been another good influence and adoptive father figure in his life was cut short imo...
Also:
With a stretch you could say that he doesn't enjoy hurting people, he just enjoys the power and how it makes him feel like he's no longer just a shadow of anyone and that makes him feel a thrill without him necessarily needing to be a sadist... and with another stretch you could say that the sadist within him is influenced by the Thanos' and The Other's grip on him, BUT even then, the statement doesn't feel accurate, because he still takes SOMETHING from subjugating people and subjecting them to whatever violence he chooses in order to get what he wants - violence that didn't necessarily need to be part of the equation. In the very least he does not care that he hurt people when it isn't someone he doesn't already have a bond with. So... he's not a complete psychopath but he absolutely has some of those tendencies where he can shut off or even get a thrill out of things which should not thrill people or be ignored... And from THERE you could say he is redeemable, but not by making him out to be an innocent puppy. He is not an innocent puppy. He's endured his fair share of suffering but some of it was influenced or caused by him and even if the TVA would not have let him make any other choice, his actions were still one of his choices, no matter what they were influenced by. But how that scene is written seeks to strip away any remaining autonomy he has, any accountability and prevents Loki from developing in a meaninngful way where he goes from being this borderline antisocial (and I don't mean this as in "loner" or "awkward" I mean this as him struggling with empathy and remorse towards anyone who isn't Frigga and being a massively destructive bastard who is - no matter how much I like him - a menace to society and that's just reality) character to someone much more admirable, stable and hopefully even empathetic. Would be a nice slap in the face to the TVA, showing them that they can't dictate what Loki or anyone else will be and it could be done so much better than it was.
Also, Loki TELLS us he doesn't enjoy hurting people but... LOKI is a LIAR. In order for us to BELIEVE that was the case, we'd have to see that in action, proof that actually maybe it was just a facade, or that it was influenced by the control The Other or Thanos had over him. I love him but he IS a liar, there is no reason why we should believe that statement, no matter how much he's crying his eyes out because... he's the God of lies and mischief. He's telling this to Mobius who he could just be trying to manipulate into helping him. If only the audience could see his pain it would be slightly more believable because Loki is not aware of an audience and therefore, if he were expressing something on his own to himself it would have been more likely to be genuine. But with Mobius he has an audience that he is aware of. And we're aware that he's aware of it. Or we should be, anyway. So even disregarding the obvious pointers to the fact that he's lying from the previous movies, the decisions here are terrible because what could have been - if weak - an excuse for his reactions back then was never utilised, his scene doesn't feel genuine and this is coming from someone who has insencerity in his nature.
Also, Loki might feel self-loathing but that's not something you resolve by making him fall in love with himself like that. That's basically narcissism. Self love does not have a romantic angle. It's just an acceptance of oneself, acknowledgement of ones faults and weaknesses but also their strengths.
In response to none of the previous movies now mattering: Okay, but I think this whole phase of marvel with the different terrible shows and whatnot is definitely more of a Disney decision and without Disney taking up Marvel maybe this would have been handled with a little more care if nothing else. Because this show does not feel like the product of a studio that knows and loves the previous creations it made. I agree, this show makes the other movies feel redundant, which makes me wish that the show never existed. But I also think the reason behind this is more Disney than Marvel.
ALSO what an insult to Holding out for a Hero. It should not belong into a series like this, it deserved better.
Whenever I felt hyped and enjoyed the show it was because Loki was being Loki. Oh, and I guess I also liked Croco Loki, but... eh. Looking back the rest was lame. But that alone I guess made me desperate because I did go back on imdb to realise I rated that frickin' show 9/10... when now, having fully digested it all... I wouldn't rate it anything about a 5 and that's me being generous.
Okay, Miss Minutes spouts BS but I do like her in concept, especially with that voice. Tara Strong is one of my favourite voice actresses, honestly.
Okay BUT they might not note down regular things that would be found in those events, but a Kablooie candy could have been an abnormality there and could have been noted down as such. It would not have altered events in the sense that no extra person would have survived thanks to it, but it would not have fit in with the rest of the stuff from that timeline because it wasn't supposed to exist there. In that sense, the cross referencing could work to confirm a suspicion... but it probably wouldn't help in predicting when and where exactly to find Sylphie next, I don't think.
This show did everyone who worked on all those previous wonderful stories so dirty.
Wow
Showing Avengers Loki what will happen to him in an alternate timeline shouldn’t have any emotional impact on him. In this show’s defense, I think what they’re trying to go for is the trope seen in movies like: “A Christmas carol”, and “It’s a wonderful life” where the main antagonist or protagonist sees what life would be like if they made different choices. But like you said this show contradicts itself as the TVA states that free will doesn’t exist. And all actions to do something that goes against the TVA’s narrative will be pruned.
Dang this used to be my favorite Disney + show. Now I’ll have to turn off my brain to enjoy watching it.
yeah, I gotta agreem, the whole "court" aspect was mind numbingly dumb and only created to explain what the TVA is and does even though that could have been done in so many better ways.
A minor, ultimately pointless character design flaw that really bugs me about this show: Hiddleston grew out his own hair to play Loki, rather than wear a wig. And I really appreciate the dedication to being in character. But Hiddleston's hairline has retreated just a little bit, and it makes Loki look like he aged about a decade in the five minutes since he took the tesseract. Nothing anyone could do about it, and I suppose I actually prefer this to having Hiddleston in a wig, but it is a nitpicky thing that bugs me.
Always did love his hair back then
I was so disappointed with the show and frankly shocked it was allegedly well received. They destroyed Loki's character, too away all that made him a beloved character
They didn't. You have to view this not as Loki-616, but Loki-616-b, who stopped just after Avengers, got shown his entire future, and spent centuries time slipping trying to save the universe (giving him hundreds of lifetimes to look back on). He's going to be different.
this video aged like milk lol
what are you on about bruh both seasons were great this is probably the best content marvel has ever done
Loki was a good character originally because he was such a complex character. You almost feel bad for him because he's literally a walking tragedy. Due to his past that explained his morally grey nature and actions. It all motivated him to do awful things and you see his internal conflict. In the 1st Avengers you can see his struggle between his hunger for power and doing the right thing. Thor and Loki's confrontations very much display it briefly. They did not have to nuke Loki physically for him to grow emotionally. He's prince of Asgard with superhuman abilities, Jotun Frost Giant and extremely gifted with magic. Loki's personality should not have been effected so fast by watching a couple tapes.
The show Lucifer is a good example of a charming main character that's morally grey. If you haven't seen the show, Lucifer in the beginning starts out bad mostly. He sees others as a stepping stone to get what he wants and willing to intimate manipulate anyone. Lucifer loves to cause chaos and does favors for almost anyone with little regard to the consequences. As the series progresses he struggles with seeing his past mistakes, with deep rooted insecurities with bad family issues. The main love interest, he at first sees like a challenge and mystery. Throughout it all though you see his rage, sadness, grief, guilt and he's still just as powerful and ruthless when needed. But in the end he over comes his internal struggles, emotions, and is able to be vulnerable/ genuine. Lucifer also goes to therapy and with all of those scenes you can see the growth. It was a great way to have the walls come down to reveal a broken man without it being too forced or out of place. Even then though, he remains a force to be reckon with and uses his past trauma to fuel his mission to find justice. It definitely wasn't a perfect show, however Lucifer's demeanor and journey was very well done.
Honestly I would have rather seen Loki return to Earth in the show. Like instead of being locked up in the dungeons of Asgard, he is banished to Earth similar to Thor originally. There he is forced to make amends and slowly develops empathy while he copes with his hatred. From there introduce a love interest and raise the stakes so that he is given the choice to hurt people. That would show more growth rather than the set in stone timeline and variant thing. That would also give him more of a chance to showcase his true power and decide to help people rather than hurt. Then if you wanted family drama then you could add it in as he works to improve relationships around him. It would definitely be a bit better than the convoluted timeline plot and TVA thing. Hell, give him an office job if they wanted to do the office type setting lol.
Wow, I literally used Usain Bolt as an example when talking about the problems with this show with a friend, good to see it
I know right? Like if an automobile can be used to outrun Oliath as Mobius demonstrated, then can a similar premise be applied to the TVA? I mean, they don't have guns or anything we know of they can use to catch a fleeing variant so....
So true. I mean they're less intimidating than an normal police force. At least they have guns and cars lol! I also wanted to say that I watched three of your critiques and I have to say that the time and effort you put into your work is fantastic, keep up the great work!
Loki was the Marvel show i was most looking forward to and the most i was disappointing by, Loki being used by the TVA to brutally hunt down other Loki variants whilst also working against the TVA for his own ends? **ck yeah! But that's not what we got,
This is what happens when you take such far reaching and high end sci-fi ideas and hand them to a bunch of low end writers, and that's putting it politely, Disney seriously needs to research the writers they hire, picking only the most experienced and best suited for the job... AND THEN TREAT THEM WELL
Disney seems to have no idea the damage they are doing to their multi billion dollar MCU brand with these badly planned out, careless, thoughtless, and frankly, far too often just plain dumb shows, at best they are diluting the MCU, and worst they are infecting it :/
You do know that Tom Hiddleston himself worked on the plot right?
@@Fierce0Deity0Link and Star Trek Picards scripts were also worked on by Sir Patrick Stewart, beloved and talented actors don't always make good script writers
@@Fierce0Deity0Link You can tell which scenes were straight from Waldron without much editing and which scenes had other people more involved, and I'm pretty sure that while he did have some writing input, TH had very little actual say in anything that made it to the final series. I shudder to think how much worse it would have been without his input, bc I'm fairly certain that his involvement was the only thing that made the character even vaguely recognisable at times. If you look at how much involvement and say he had in the character in Thor 1 and how well Loki was characterised then vs in the show, you can see how little control he was actually given in comparison when it's supposed to be a show about his character.
I'm not going to go so far as to say he's an amazing writer, bc i've never directly seen a script he's worked on without a lot of other people's involvement muddling who wrote what so I can't make any true judgement calls, but it's really not hard to spot the moments in the show that felt like there was a lot more thought and respect for the character put in, and it's practically impossible to not be a better writer than Waldron (I've read the original script he converted into the show, and it is honestly painfully badly written). As far as I'm aware he was mostly in an actor/ producer role, not really a writer, and they cut a lot of the stuff we have bts footage of him having been involved in the actual writing of from the final release. Very little was kept in the final show that anyone but Mike Waldron wrote, and it shows
@@MxchiefMaykrBut they only used 3% of his input..
I feel like loki really wasn’t thinking about where he was going in the beginning he probably just wanted a get out of jail free card and saw it as another opportunity to conquer earth so that’s why he stayed on planet
What Loki did once he got the tesseract, following that metaphor, is the equivalent of having a direct path from your jail cell to a non-extradition country, and instead hiding in a different area of the jail. If he is thousands of years old and familiar with 8 other realms, or as shown in the MCU, 10s if not 100s of other planets and civilizations, Loki just trying to flee would more probably leave the planet, like Classic/Old Loki did. He’s effectively on the run from SHIELD, Asgard, the Avengers, and Thanos after failing to secure Earth for him. Getting out of jail free would mean evading all of them. He grew up with the Bifrost, so interplanetary travel isn’t difficult or a daunting journey for him.
But, if he wanted to quickly regroup and conquer Earth while SHIELD was focussed on New York, it makes no sense to travel to the middle of a dessert, stop, leave his one trump card and means of escape in the sand, and make a speech to the first person he sees. We’ve seen how Loki tries to conquer, twice. He makes friends with powerful people, sets out to cripple the ruling body or military, send in an army when it’s weak, then step into the power vacuum he’s created. In Thor 1 as a prince he let the Frost Giants into Asgard, and usurped the throne once he got Thor banished for it and Odin was weak. In The Avengers, though he’s acting under Thanos’ orders after allying with him, he does something similar. He attacks Fury, gets the Tesseract, lets himself get captured after several more successful surprise attacks, then summons the Chitari once he can spawn them in the heart of one of the most important cities in the strongest country on Earth.
He also starts using a similar strategy in Thor Ragnorak, and we see how he responds after losing a fight. He retreats to a place he feels safe in, telling Heimdall to bring him and Thor back to Asgard after Hela outmatches them. Once he ends up on the planet the Grand Master rules, he becomes friendly with him so that he can live safely and comfortably until he can flee.
@@EverythingFan02 Tom Holland was a great Loki
@@nikboyd8636 He was!
With his whole army compromised? That's even more idiotic than him just randomly choosing a desert, where he attempted to rule over three people who couldn't even speak English.
@@konstantinagkika5491 it doesn’t matter the TVA would’ve found him no matter where he went in the universe
3:07 Loki doesn't know how to use the space stone. Obviously it's not as simple to use as touch it and think of where you want to go at least not in tesseract form. When red skull touched it, he got transported to the location of the soul stone seemingly. Loki never was shown using the tesseract correctly in the infinity saga. The only time is when Thor and him use a device encasing it to go home. Loki even needed a human scientist to teleport his army to earth. He tried using it and it backfired. I get if you didn't find it funny but narratively it shows Loki doesn't know how to use it.
So how does iron man know how to use both the space stone and all other stones to bring back an part of the universe? Then hulk used all the stones correctly the first time to bring back an entire half of the universe?Thanos never wielded the final stones that he took from Asgard and earth but used them correctly the first time.
So how can a human, mad titan, radioactive beast, and surgeon with fucked up hands know how to use all the stones but a Frost giants who wields the power of the teserack (however you spell it) in his staff, power of mischief, not know how to use a single one?
@@racsomv. because it pushes the plot
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1) Tony isn't shown using the space stone other than in a snap. But as for how he used it in a snap, his dad Howard did have lots of research on the tesseract and in fact the element that was synthesized for Tony's arc reactor was actually discovered by Howard from his research on the tesseract during ww 2. He didn't know how to synthesize it back then though with a mini hydron collider. So tony as research on the space stone or tesseract possibly more than Loki who had it in Odin's treasure room where he wasn't supposed to touch it as Odin could seemingly know whenever any one was in his treasure room. As for knowing how to do the snap it actually seems fairly forward-you make a wish almost and snap for it to come true. Gamora described it as making a thought become real with a snap. The power stone also seems easy to kinda use if you can withstand its power. Aether, space stone, mind stone, soul stone, and time stone seem to take more skill to use. The time stone has instructions and hand movements that control it seemingly.
2) Again the snap seems to he a wish and then snap type process. He says he tried getting Nat back tho so not sure tbh
3) Thanos was Gary stu for his ability to wield the stones. He just instantly knew how to use them even combos that we've never see. I'll excuse it and say he's been learning a lot about then off screen since he also knew where all of then were?
4) Again Odin prob never had Loki play with the tesseract only read picture books about it. He seemed to have more of a fascination with the casket of eternal winters anyway so different blue box. He didn't use it in infinity war to teleport all the asgardians away from thanos so its consistent that he doesn't use it or know how to. Everyone else listed except for hulk who prob used Tony's data on the stones and he worked on the mind stone and tesseract in avengers and aou, so everyone else except thanos had experience with the stones. Again thanos prob did research but it is Gary stu writing for him that he knew where all stones were minus soul stone and also how to use them. We do know he's been after the stones for a while and knew about the power stone.
@@racsomv. The infinity stones are easier to use together/more powerful. This isn't explicitly stated, but the fact is that the reality stone should make all the other stones redundant otherwise. There is no reason that "the snap" couldn't have been done purely through the "reality warping" of the reality stone. Why does Thanos need the time stone to wipe out half the universe in the present? The only explanation is that the stones are limited without each other.
Not true, in the intro of the avengers the servant of Thanos sent Loki to retrieve the tesseract because he's the most proficient with it.
"The Tesseract has awakened. It is on a little world, a human world. They would wield its power, but our ally knows its workings as they never will. He is ready to lead, and our force, our Chitauri, will follow. A world will be his, the universe yours. And the humans, what can they do but burn?" ―The Other
Loki probably knows more about it than anyone, he managed to do something no one was ever shown to do, he activated the tesseract and opened a portal to get to Earth when he was on another planet.
The writers of this show are confusing this Loki with the Loki we followed for 3 phases in the MCU.
Anyone going to talk about how Loki is winded just from walking across a room? I swear this guy is out of breath in half the scenes.
The thing is that a lot of the complaints can be applied to superhero movies and comics in general. Most superhero comics don't make much sense. Like with weapons, with our technology today, we can build missiles that can hit targets hundreds of miles away. But the MCU has super advanced aliens using swords instead of just bombing their enemies to oblivion from orbit.
And the power and scale of things in comics is just ridiculous. For example, there are multiple characters on earth with the power to create entire universes but somehow earth still has all the same problems as the real world. In both DC and Marvel, earth is literally the most important planet in the universe. Out of the 100 billion planets in the Milky Way, and 2 trillion galaxies in the observables universe, earth is somehow the most important one. It's even more ridiculous in DC since the primary earth is basically the center of the multiverse.
Earth being the center of the universe isnt really odd considering most of the stories are from the perspective of characters on earth. If the stories took place on another planet than we'd see that one as important
Not really, superhero movies usually have a beginning, middle, end. Have rules so things make sense for the general audience. They work as a condensed version of the story, the character, and the world. When it changes the rules, and makes free will not matter, then it stops making sense and stops mattering. In better hands, this show could have made sense and been amazing, but instead it sucks.
@I have no personality outside my sexuality yes, a creator, a God. Kang didn't create the universe, he's not a god, he just has advanced technology. However no advanced technology is shown for how he controls free will, but still we are told he planned out their every move somehow? That doesn't make sense, especially since Kang hasn't done anything like that in the comics. He's a futuristic tech guy with a mortal form, not an omniscient being. We need to be shown and not told what he can do.
If the box of "evidence" with the stones was pruned, then it was sent to the Loki's who would've been used it to escape
when things are pruned they don’t go to same exact place. there’s no telling if the lokis saw the stones. but fuck logic tho right
Neat video. This show as a whole is bad, most noticeably because of character assassination of Loki. You pointed out the flaws perfectly.
Still, I have fond memories of watching this show as it triggered some quite deep thoughts about the nature of free will and made me quit the job I hated to pursue my dreams. It worked out quite well. Funny but true.
I also enjoyed the soundtrack and visuals very much. One can only imagine how good this show could be with better script.
1:49:21 "What do random choices variants make have to do with a multiversal war"
Huh? I thought it was extremely clear that the branches would lead to a multiverse, which would lead to different kangs existing, which would lead to a multiversal war?
Someone eating the wrong sandwich creates a different timeline. This means there are 2 different kangs. One that exist in the tuna sandwich universe, and one that exists in the PB&J sandwhich universe. Then these kangs end up fighting each other. That's what leads to the multiversal war.
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I largely hate the show because it's implications for the MCU with the whole free will thing and it's completely nonsensical time shenanigans (nothing about it makes any sense), but I didn't think the Kang explanation was that bad.
alternate timelines don't create a multiverse because alternate timelines are fixed in one universe no matter how many branch off there are
The analysis was good, almost all your cretics of this show are very similar to my problems with the show. Especially Loki being different from his avenger self.
So glad to get another comment on my Loki Vid! Thank you very much for the compliment!
@@theenrichmentcritic No welcome man, a real no welcome! Glad to support a channel like yours.
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The Thanos that the Avengers defeated was a different universe/timeline Thanos ; that right there should've created severe nexus events . Even if Tony snapped them away or back in their time, then it would've given thanos an edge in future events ...
The Avengers get a pass for time travel because it was supposed to happen. Sure, but... while they put back everything they took at the exact moment so it was like it never happened, they still only took the Tesseract from the 70s (or 60s) because of Loki. Loki stole it and escaped, so their only option was to go further back. Why didn't that cause a timeline split itself? If they were meant to go back further than 2012, does that mean they were supposed to lose it some other way? Seems weird that there could be a version of events where Loki *wouldn't* take advantage of a free tesseract literally dropping at his feet while everyone else is distracted.
Edit: not to mention the fact that the TVA's job requires genuinely divine power, and they seem so weak. If you exist outside time you should be able to see it all at once. They shouldn't be dealing with constant variants changing time from their approved fates. If anything, they should be crossing things off a near infinite list, religiously working towards the day their lizard overlords (who literally look nothing like lizards so I still don't know where that nickname came from) have promised where only one version of history exists. There shouldn't be any "real time" deadline on branching if you exist outside time. Sure, you can only enter in the initial moments after the branch grows, but why does it matter how long it grows if you can still go into those first moments? They aren't acting urgently in episode 2 because logically it doesn't matter at all how long they take to go there because they have fucking time machines.
You fail to see the truth as the video also did. TVA is a lie, stop relying on their statements and their information as fact, even their leaders were nothing but fake robot thingies.
Also, an explanation for the avengers timeline would be this, TVA exists outside the realm of that timeline, not sure if it is indeed outside all space time as they claim since they are a huge lie. So you can see things like this, Loki took off with space stone, everything happens in the Loki series and then the TVA was wrecked and there is no one to stop/reset the avengers timeline because the whole tva was reset in a way.
How empty headed can you possibly be to ask this "how did that not cause a split" on a video about Loki, yknow, the show that answers that fucking question? Literally the whole initial conflict of the show is that Loki created a split, so the TVA stepped in to prune him and said split. Literally the first episode dude
@@Delta-lu5kf So you're telling me the entire portion of endgame where Tony meets his dad never happens on the sacred timeline?
Edit: I think I see the issue here. I wasn't referring to Loki causing that split, I was referring to the split the Avengers would have caused later when they choose to travel further back. Remember that Cap only goes back to live with Peggy because he was already going back that far to return the tessaract. So either none of that "really" happens, or it "really" happens completely differently than we ever get to see, which regardless just screws up the finale to a decade long film series.
@@gideonjones5712 avengers didnt get pruned because those events NEEDED to happen to lead up to the eventual birth of Kang/He Who Remains. It was a canon event to the sacred timeline, Loki getting the stone and escaping was NOT
@@millionshadesofdarkness2165 I know that. The problem is that they only go further back in the movie because of Loki. Meaning that we don't ever get to see what "really"happened to make them lose the tessaract. Meaning a portion of Endgame bigger than just that one shot of Loki getting away is non-canon to itself for the sake of setting up a tv show. And that would be stupid even if the Loki show was phenomenal.
Just think how many times did the TVA have to find and chase down that Rat from Endgame with those sticks and prune it constantly until the rats life led up to it pressing the button for Ant-Man....
This video suddenly popped up in my feed after finishing loki season 2. Hmm interesting.
Marvel (especially the shows) has an obsession with forcing love interests and shoving in romance plots into stories for characters that don’t need romance. Same thing with Moon Knight. It ruins the escapism and the focus of the overall plot. Loki was meh for me until I learned that Sylvie would be the “villain”. It got sooo predictable once she came in. It literally took me a year to finish the series bc once Sylvie got included, it was too painful to watch. The only good part for me was the last scene of the last episode when he realized he was in another universe. Everything else was a snore. And Loki is one of the most interesting characters played by one of the best actors of the Marvel cast. Such a waste. Great job on the video and breakdown. You put more effort into this than a multi-billion dollar company put into this series.
The "We need to work together" with the shrug made me quit. This is the worst acting Hiddleston has ever done, which sucks because its the character he built his career with. The corniness is palpable
Funny how the Loki show isn't for people that liked the Loki character from any of the previous movies huh
Kang having the time keepers as statues makes perfect sense, they're his OCs and he likes them very much
"The worst marvel show ever"
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I haven't finished the video yet and i agree with most, if not everything you've said, and i would like to comment on this part as someone from the lgbt community and explain why this scene actually does more harm than good for representation.
First we need to understand the impotance of representation in media, seeing your identity on the big screen does have a very real impact, it starts the conversation of acceptance and respect in a world that has looked down on minorities for too many years, i cannot describe with words the comfort i feel when i see what is such a big part of my identity being portrayed in my favorite shows or movies, thats why i hate how they brought up his sexuality.
They made such a lazy and borderline disrespectful attempt at showing loki's bisexuality, they literally said 3 words alluding to the fact that he has had male partners and expected us to just eat it up, "wow, praise disney and their initiative to break down the stigma around bisexuality, they trully do care about us!", its outrageous to see them being worshiped online for something so insignificant. I am bisexual, and i've lived the struggle of not being accepted, not being taken seriously, i've lost friendships over just being myself, and i am disgusted at how they minimized all of that into 3 words.
And not only did they mess up the bisexual rep, they also completly ignored Loki's gender! The comic's never shy away from loki being gendefluid, series like Agent Of Asgard embrace the fact that loki cant be put in a box, he's the god of mischief! the trickster! he can be the villain one day and the hero the next day! everything about who he is can change, his motivations, his relationships with others, his gender expression, and yet he will still remain Loki. When i saw that the whole twist was that the Loki varient was a woman, aka sylvie, i was speechless, woman loki has been a thing for years, and she isnt a different character, she is still loki, and yet they put so much emphasis on the fact that Sylvie doesn't consider herself a Loki. In the episode when Loki meets all the other loki varients after being pruned, he asks them if they had ever seen a woman Loki before, and they all laugh at they idea, they laugh, because the idea of a woman Loki is just so ridiculous right?
I'm tired of seeing companies, specially Marvel, being able to do the bare minimum and get praise, we in the lgbt community deserve to be taken seriously, we have fought for our rights and im sick of seeing all our pain get boiled down to underdeveloped side characters and rainbow merch during June, especially considering the amount of homophobia, racism and misogony present in the marvel fandom, Disney doesnt care to educate its audience or to help out minorities, they will do whatever is necessary to make money, and the worst part is, we allow it.
Hopefully i was able to get my point across, english isnt my first language and i have to admit i may be a bit biased considering im both bisexual and genderfluid, i will continue the video now, great work man!
Take a shot everytime i typed Loki in that lmao
I agree I think this should have had a bigger amount of attention instead of being summed up in a few words and I would have loved it if more of the loki's were females or other ways of identifying yourself, also if had made Loki fall in love with a boy instead of girl it would bring more attention to the LGBTQ+ if they so whished to do that (apologies if what I said was incorrect in any way)
Fr tho there was more bi representation when PaRappa the Rapper kissed his homie on the lips without hesitation.
I stopped at "..as someone from the lgbt community"
@@ivemissedyou.8900 Were you reading it at all then?
Also in the first episode, after Loki teleports to the desert, why does he leave the tessaract on the ground, instead of holding it or putting it in his pocket? Would’ve been very helpful for getting away from the tva.
And Disney.
This is a pretty good breakdown of many of the glaring issues with the show! Something I don't know if many people are aware of is exactly why the writing is so weird and 99% of the time the characters and plot feel completely out of line with established lore... the script was written by waldron years ago before he got the job and he basically changed a few names and toned down his weird sexual spin on stuff somewhat. The original script is out there, and boy is it one of the most awful things ive ever had the displeasure of exposing my eyes and brain to. It was a TV series for Loki.... not written about Loki.
There's some stuff you've missed or simply had to cut a bit short (i'm assuming for time or because they're only really discussed in the really deep zones of the fan community), like the weird lack of communication and constant mixed signal statements from various people involved in the production (the lead writer, director, composer, and actors all having completely different conflicting public statements about the relationship going on there in particular, and the weird terf-y vibed comments from the director and Sylvie's actress), the fact the lead writer has admitted he hasn't seen the first Thor movie and hasn't seen Avengers 1 since release when he's writing a character that's come straight from those films and whose backstory has been retconned back to that point... there's a lot of weird stuff going on with marvel and disney, and messy bts stuff which has caused their stuff to really suffer, and I think this series in particular just kinda exemplifies how bad all of that stuff really is.
My one real grievance with the video however is in you saying that Loki doesn't care for anyone but Thor and Frigga/ that he doesn't care about hurting people. While I definitely agree that he is a ruthless character who's shown to somewhat enjoy killing/ harming others at times, there's also a lot of times (especially in Thor 1) where he has shown to care a lot more about others getting hurt than even Thor does. I agree that the way the show framed the idea of "I don't enjoy hurting people" was done totally wrong for the established character, there was some element of the truth there. He's a quick, efficient killer raised in a culture that only respects violence, and so it is to be expected that he take some satisfaction in his success on that front, but the only time we really see him seem to actually enjoy inflicting pain and dragging it out and not simply eliminating an opposing force as quickly as possible is him taking out the guy's eye in A1. I know it's still heavily debated if it's actually canon or not that Loki was influenced by the scepter during that movie, and also if he intentionally bungled his plan or if that was just poor writing leaving a lot of plot holes, but as far as i'm aware it's canon that he's just had a large enough mental breakdown to have attempted suicide and suddenly had a massive change in his behaviour, and had then been tortured on Thanos's orders during the time between Thor 1 and Avengers 1, which helps explain the difference in his behaviour between those two movies.
I think that keeping either side of that debate in mind changes drastically how he is perceived, and I honestly kinda think that having him be a puppet villain during A1 would have made Thanos a far more imposing and impactful villain, and also been good fuel for Loki to either have a better continued villain arc in response to that situation without it feeling weirdly contrived or to have a true redemption and become more of an anti-hero/ fun nuisance like he is in most of the comic stories, but I also love the idea of an unrepentant villain version of the character who's just succumbed to the events he's been through in T1 and leading up to A1 and let it turn to rage. Sadly, we got neither with the series, and I cannot truly explain just how disappointed I am with the opportunity the squandered here.
With season two on the horizon, and knowing there's a different head writer this time I have a little more faith in the potential direction of it but even if they do miraculously make something good, it's still going to be built on the terrible foundations of this season, and unless they straight up pretend season 1 never happened, I don't think there's any way they could do something that would solve the failure of storytelling that was this show.
TLDR: This show was terrible in so many ways and the more you look into it the worse it gets. Learning about the behind the scenes issues and general problems that come from being a disney project written by someone with no idea what they were doing will not make you feel sympathy for the creators, it will simply confuse and anger anyone with two brain cells to rub together
Agreed.
Under the assumption that Loki was influenced in Avengers, it makes sense maybe to not wanna be a mass murderer? Especially since if he was under mind control that just got hulk smashed out of him. Though I'd believe it when Loki says it a bit more if he was a bit hazy/shocked from the avengers scene to this point (hell that could be used as a reason he got caught more easily, facing what he did now with his whole mind, and getting quite the smashing)
Plotting a Mischief != Brutal murder always woulda felt more realistic. Loki's earlier pranks was scaring with snakes, the worst he did pre his whole revelation was try to stop Thor's coronation, out of belief that wasn't gonna go well and that he couldn't just convince Thor of that.
25:02 To be fair, comic readers like me are used to the idea of multiple infinity stones, the multiverse is a thing after all. In the comics, every universe has 6 infinity stones but the stones only work in their native universe. So if you take the MCU stones and bring them to another universe they won't work, they'll just be pretty paperweights, which is what the show was referencing. Then again the multiverse wasn't established yet until the end of the show, but MCU writing is mostly garbage anyway, Infinity War is the exception not the rule.
Like in what if..
When Ultron was universe jumping and was still functional or in multiverse of madness when Wanda was able to use her powers in other universes .
@@freebarbecue622 What If made no sense according to Marvel comics logic, and it also contradicts Loki.
Wanda's powers made sense when you consider that the Mind Stone only unlocked and amplified power that was already there (according to WandaVision). Magical energy is inherently multi-dimensional and flows between realities (according to Dr Strange), so it makes sense that Wanda (who was made to be an avatar of Chthon) can use magic anywhere.
@@lucariomew365 From what we see Wanda doesn't use 'magic'. More like mind control and casting illusions . Wandavision just undid all that in favor of 'ruins' and the foretold scarletwitch.
@@freebarbecue622 WandaVision aligned Wanda more to her comic counterpart-which fans were asking for since her introduction in Age of Ultron (back when the MCU was anti-magic/Uber-science). Kevin Feige was promising to fix that ever since Dr Strange (and magic as a whole) was added to the MCU. Wanda Vision and Multiverse of Maddness was then fixing the character's powers and by bringing up her ties to the Darkhold and the Elder God Chthon (while wreaking the catharsis she reached in WandaVision😑).
@@lucariomew365 Agreed...
FINALLY!!!! SOME THAT SHARES MY OPINIONS ON LOKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am actually being dead serious right now! I have the exact same opinions and criticisms about Loki that you mentioned!!!
Welcome to the Club We are happy you are here :)
@@theenrichmentcritic thanks!! I'm happy to be here!!!😅
I miss when Loki's tactics in a fight were shit like turning a person into a frog using magic instead of just turning a person into a stabbed person using a knife
5:58 Shouldn't Loki be as strong as a Frost Giant? How wouldn't he be able to break free of the grips of the TVA Soldiers.
My biggest critique is that avengers era Loki, the loki that literally murdered random people, almost took over earth and killed coulson... has a dramatic heart change because of slideshow presentation because the plot needed to go along. What would've been interesting is if loki stayed mischevious and paranoid throughout the show, adding more tension and weight to the relationship between Loki and Owen Wilson. Forcing them to work together and learn to trust each other even tho Loki keeps using him to his own advantage. That is until he meets the "main protagonist" which instead of being sylvie its old man loki, who serves as a nihilistic and serious version of loki that is used as a warning to Loki at what he would become if he succeeded in taking over earth. Loki then must discover Old Loki wishes to destroy the TVA because fate is already decided and thus none of this is worth anything. This is when both Lokis must learn that fate and destiny is not set, but rather decided and its the choices we make that decide our future.
They did Loki, Hulk and Thor dirty.
Avengers Earth’s mightiest heroes has done the best adaptations of the characters, where the MCU just fails.
•Hulk: He’s also incredible in Planet Hulk and Hulk Vs, directed by Sam Liu.
•Thor: He’s not portrayed as comedic relief, he’s a worthy heart of gold who fights for Midgard, also I love the line “FOR ODIN, FOR ASGARD!”
•Loki: He’s the best villain in the series, he planned (almost) everything in season one by causing the Breakout and forming the Master of Evils with his connection with Enchantress, while he was imprisoned because Loki wanted to lose his fight with Thor, even though Loki had the magical edge.
Where can I find that? Is it a show or comic?
@@Liquessen A show, you could find it through other means online.
Yup, they showed love and respect to all the characters in Avengers: EMH. If only Disney had not bought Marvel, that show would still be going.
Soooooooo inconsistent. Literally trying so hard not to fall asleep cuz my brain cant compute all the inconsistencies.
I stopped taking this series serious after they somehow captured Loki in episode 1. Let me dumb this down for you Marvel stans: A small group of regular people somehow managed to overpower a THOUSAND YEAR OLD GOD.
I'm only 20 minutes in to this 2-hour video, but the main issue I have so far is that half of your criticisms apply to like, everything in the MCU. Most of the MCU's writing relies on mediocre and not-very-well thought out plot devices and characters who act intentionally dumb, or whose power levels change on a scene-by-scene basis to fit into the writing. The MCU in general is mediocre when looked at through the lens of logical consistency.
Just because the mcu has mediocre writing overall it's not a problem to critic these mediocre writing.
@@miracles4219 there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but he's portraying Loki as "the worst thing in the MCU" without properly justifying it, at least as far as I watched.
@@meatisomalley the show wasn’t good. I was confused by the overly positive response. This was marvel’s lowest point I’m MY OPINION
Its a pretty weak criticism TBH but he does occasionally bring up a good point. Most of his complaints unfortunately fall into "the show didnt take the time to go into every minor detail I could possibly imagine and I refuse to use my own common sense" territory.
@@redboy09100 lowest? really? hmm 🤣
One thing that I can accept is the whole idea of hiding in an apocalypse scenario. Because what we do know is that there is some wiggle room with the whole branching thing. The Sacred Timeline doesn't appear as one straight path, but more like a base set of events that can go slightly different. So for something where your influence is absolutely insignificant, like the placing of bodies in Pompeii, there wouldn't be a Nexus event. On this, I'd say the animation in episode 1 is overexaggerating or simplifying the concept. There can be some influence in the timeline that won't make it branch, as long as it's tiny. Because the timeline doesn't dictate the smallest details like placement of deaths in an apocalypse. As long as it has the same base end result in a way that can't cascade, you can be hiding in something like an apocalypse.
This ain’t age well… wanna make a redo?
17:23 This is one of the greatest/stupidest things I've heard about this show. I totally didn't think about that while watching. Like, it's not anywhere near the most egregious error that the story makes, but, it's just bafflingly contradictory to the writer's own rule. I love this. And hate it.