Collin Butcher genuinely loved his son. He knew that by making his son apologize, his son would have rich memories and many experiences and lessons to last a lifetime. This was old school parenting at its best!
Man, that scene with the father making the son apologize for being disrespectful to the coach reminds me so much of my dad. That’s how my dad was. “There is only one type of discipline: perfect discipline.” --Patton
this is probably my most favorite scene for it's realness. 'there's more to the game than shooting, there's fundamentals and defense'. OLD SCHOOL RESPECT towards the end of the scene as well.
When taking back young Butcher, Hackman is able to convey Norman's strength, but also his understanding that he can give this boy who made a mistake another chance, just as he himself is getting another chance at this school.
Now this is old school parenting. Nowadays, the father and mother would come rushing in threatening lawsuits and demanding that the coach apologize. Not my parents. They would have hauled me back to school to apologize just like this dad did. That's partly why our society is so messed up. Children are not held accountable for their actions.
He didn't really do anything wrong. All he did was walk out. The only thing you could really fault him for is disrespect. You're right about lawsuits though. We live in a society where people want to sue for everything. Our congressmen are a good example.
@@denverlilly3669Disrespect is wrong. He failed to recognize the coach's authority. That's why his dad made him apologize. Like I said, my parents would have done the same thing.
@@billcollins2798 Disrespect is one thing but the coach was not an authoritative figure. He has the power to remove people from the team and games. To Dale's point, basketball is an elective activity. No one is required to play. What he did was disrespectful but he didn't exactly break the law.
@@denverlilly3669 I really don't know why you're arguing the point. Nobody said he broke the law. Man alive! Disrespect to an adult is wrong regardless his membership in the team. My parents taught me to give my seat to adults when they entered a room for it was disrespectful for children to sit while adults were standing. Once this kid's dad got wind that his boy was disrespectful, he made him apologize. That's exactly what my parents would have done. Why in the world is that hard to see?
@@billcollins2798 I'm not arguing anything. We were apparently raised differently. I'm not suggesting disrespect isn't wrong but it's no sin. You said kids these days have no sense of consequences for their actions. That suggests deplorable behavior. While what he did in the movie was disrespectful, I don't consider it reprehensible.
That's why gene hackman is my favorite actor of all time he make every other actor look good he didn't like marking this movie that much but he was a professional and and of the greatest actor of all time that his performance made this movie even better
Being a Hoosier who grew up on a farm in rural Indiana in the 50s and 60s I can tell those that have seen this movie you don't really have a clue how intense it really was! This movie is only a light version of how it really was. Basketball back then was the state religion and if a young man mouthed off to the coach it was like blasphemy! The fundamentals were ground into you not just by the coaches but in that old barn where the rusted hoop was put to use in the dead cold of winter, where you shot thousands of shots over and over again till you did it all night in your sleep. Your brothers and cousins and friends were even tougher on you than your coaches. In those days 100s of people would show up at a rural highschool game in the middle of a blizzard! It was a Spartan experience, those were the days!
Agreed...I'd shovel snow from my neighbors driveway before ours so I should play basketball in the middle of winter. I didn't walk uphill both ways to school though
A mistake I made with my early teams as a coach was getting too close with the parents of my players, Norm shows here why it’s important to keep them at an arm’s length. I always tried to see the best in people, but so many parents live vicariously through their children that if you allow them too much access into the inner workings of the team all the sudden there’s a dozen satellite coaches who all start to believe they’re in charge instead of you. Set clear boundaries, make it clearly known who the boss is, and don’t second guess yourself. Sometimes you’ll run into a situation where the administration or people above you don’t necessarily have your back, but strong leadership is predicted around staying true to your convictions and putting the well-being of others before yourself.
I like how when Rollin comes into the gym, he casually pushes aside the other men, and then approaches Dale hat in hand to speak to him. He straightens out his son, and then kicks out the other men.. all without making a threat or even raising his voice.
lol...my first practice when I went out for my Jr. H.S. team was just like this...the coach put the chairs out and had us dribble through them, the stopped us and said now when you can learn to dribble like that with both hands while always looking forward we can start to really practice.
Watching this the first time I thought it was a montage of them practicing, getting ready for the first game. Then the scene, there's still an hour left of practice lol. Holy Hell that was a long practice.
Best movie I was 8 years old when it was released and I've watched it ever since its my favorite basketball movie I've even cried when Jimmy chit wood hits the winning shot in the state championship
+Katie Williams Katie interesting point about that final shot. The actor said on an interview with Dan Patrick that when they filmed the last shot the director told the crowd of extras to jump up and down whether he hits the shot or not. The actor said, "I hit it the first time".
Now don't you go wearing out that VHS!!! :) Bad joke, I know. But 4real, I swear, I still keep thinking about the NCAA Final Game with Butler, biggest underdog ever to make the Final (OK, maybe Villanova in 85?) and Duke and the last play of the game a dude from Butler tried a shot from his end of the court, one of those "Hail Mary" type shots, and just to think if it goes in.... (Yes Duke won but still)...
Point I was making back there was that that team doing what they did, and that game, with that shot, was as close to a real life re-enactment of what we're seeing in Hoosiers (OK Yeah yeah yeah, I know, it could happen anywhere else...)
Looks like my first practice in Jr. H.S. back in ''69/70 academic year. Coach put chairs out just like that and told us, okay I know you all think you are pretty good dribblers but to make this team you are going to have to get through these chairs in under 7 seconds with your off hand...about 95% of the team missed that mark for many practices but we all became good off hand dribblers pretty quickly...I ended up playing point guard...Good Times.
Strong left or off hand dribble can be obtained by constantly forcing yourself to dribble 75% with that hand until the pain goes away...it will take a year. A “pure shooter” is greatly help by shooting and practicing on an all season non lighted outside court that is smooth but not level, that is height regulation at the front of the rim to the bottom of the court but sloping gradually farther from the rim, one hour practice a day at dusk and a half hour shooting in the dark listening for only for the swish of the net.
Someone can tell my sweetheart that it's ok - she isn't at fault or nothing but perfect ! I don't need an explanation ! I'm not like regular folk and I understand ! All five guys on the floor functioning at one unit and becoming a team ! It's artwork ! I'll make it ! Make it a good one strap ! The lord I can feel his strength ! 🤣anyway my numbers plural - haven't changed - any time I'd be more than happy to help ! Just can't do anything with social media it's evil ! Every single time I go on there it causes me stress and new issues arise ! It upsets me and I can't live under those conditions ! It's not for me ! I don't need that negativity in my life ! Anyone wants to bypass that and figure things out - I'm in all in ! I'd be glad to do anything of the sort ! But going on that evil and disgusting social media isn't good for my mental health or my stress ! Plus nothing gets figured out or accomplished there anyway ! It's just drama and rumours and problems and provokes bad things and evil things - can't fight darkness with darkness - if it actually had a plan or a point - then maybe I'd subject myself to it and suck it up ! Deal with things - but there's absolutely nothing and no English no plan no communication just nothing ever - it's Nathan and just drama and causes more problems ! I hope you guys can understand that ! If I went right now and saw what ? My beautiful sweetheart ! That's it I can look at her in the photos offline ! I don't need that - she's always in my mind - so other than seeing her picture what exactly is the end game or the game plan ? That's what I've been saying there's never anything or explanation or reason or ideas or it's just circles and going round and round !
+verno wormer When Rade says, "it's your funeral it's cool to find out what he meant by that. They are brothers and Rade knows what Dad is going to say and do. LoL.
When Raef says, It's your funeral and then the other kid /Whit? says I ain't no gizzard you don't know why Raef said it until you find out that they are brothers and Dad ain't happy. lol
I know we see one player being brought back to apologise, but I still would have liked to have seen the deleted scene where Buddy and Coach Dale settle up. Buddy is the most self-confident of the players and his attitude here is so disrespectful. That makes me wonder exactly how Coach handles him in the missing scene. It's a very abrupt re-appearance later, with no indication of what understanding there is between Buddy, Coach and the other players. The only pay-off is Buddy's "Let's win for coach, who got us here."
Those that really understand how great America was would watch. People would come.. and it would be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories would be so thick, they'd have to brush them away from their faces.....oops wrong movie....lol. But hopefully you get the point: true nostalgia!❤
Well I don't believe the gender makes any difference. When I was the army and played on the Post Volleyball team we had an assistant female coach who was just like a drill Sargent in practice. In team sports you have to work like a well oiled machine.
Collin Butcher genuinely loved his son. He knew that by making his son apologize, his son would have rich memories and many experiences and lessons to last a lifetime. This was old school parenting at its best!
Rollin was a badass.
"No I got this." Calm as you like, and 10 seconds later they were all out the door.
Man, that scene with the father making the son apologize for being disrespectful to the coach reminds me so much of my dad. That’s how my dad was. “There is only one type of discipline: perfect discipline.” --Patton
this is probably my most favorite scene for it's realness. 'there's more to the game than shooting, there's fundamentals and defense'. OLD SCHOOL RESPECT towards the end of the scene as well.
Fundamentals wins games, not show boating or taunting. RESPECT.
Gene Hackman totally believable as a basketball coach. Great job
He's an actor he knows what to do to make himself believable. But I agree.
'My practices are not designed for your enjoyment!' 😂
What one of the greatest and most perfect movies of all time - sports or any other genre. It's just a work of art.
It's more than just a movie about basketball. There was something about the way he interacted with the people. They grew as individuals.
Rollin Butcher was a big man, he handled that whole group of locals by himself.
I like that when the smart mouth came back to the team he did everything the coach said and never talked back again.
When taking back young Butcher, Hackman is able to convey Norman's strength, but also his understanding that he can give this boy who made a mistake another chance, just as he himself is getting another chance at this school.
My dad played so many of his high school basketball games in that gym in the 50's. Knightstown, IN.
Hackman was under utilized.
This was Gene Hackman's greatest role, phenomenal performance.
Now this is old school parenting. Nowadays, the father and mother would come rushing in threatening lawsuits and demanding that the coach apologize. Not my parents. They would have hauled me back to school to apologize just like this dad did. That's partly why our society is so messed up. Children are not held accountable for their actions.
He didn't really do anything wrong. All he did was walk out. The only thing you could really fault him for is disrespect.
You're right about lawsuits though. We live in a society where people want to sue for everything. Our congressmen are a good example.
@@denverlilly3669Disrespect is wrong. He failed to recognize the coach's authority. That's why his dad made him apologize. Like I said, my parents would have done the same thing.
@@billcollins2798 Disrespect is one thing but the coach was not an authoritative figure. He has the power to remove people from the team and games. To Dale's point, basketball is an elective activity. No one is required to play. What he did was disrespectful but he didn't exactly break the law.
@@denverlilly3669 I really don't know why you're arguing the point. Nobody said he broke the law. Man alive! Disrespect to an adult is wrong regardless his membership in the team. My parents taught me to give my seat to adults when they entered a room for it was disrespectful for children to sit while adults were standing. Once this kid's dad got wind that his boy was disrespectful, he made him apologize. That's exactly what my parents would have done. Why in the world is that hard to see?
@@billcollins2798 I'm not arguing anything. We were apparently raised differently. I'm not suggesting disrespect isn't wrong but it's no sin. You said kids these days have no sense of consequences for their actions. That suggests deplorable behavior. While what he did in the movie was disrespectful, I don't consider it reprehensible.
Love this movie... that's so Ol' school Truth...ur Out...hit the door.
I grew up with most of these drills.
It still works today. I'd set up cones for dribbling through.
That's why gene hackman is my favorite actor of all time he make every other actor look good he didn't like marking this movie that much but he was a professional and and of the greatest actor of all time that his performance made this movie even better
Being a Hoosier who grew up on a farm in rural Indiana in the 50s and 60s I can tell those that have seen this movie you don't really have a clue how intense it really was! This movie is only a light version of how it really was. Basketball back then was the state religion and if a young man mouthed off to the coach it was like blasphemy! The fundamentals were ground into you not just by the coaches but in that old barn where the rusted hoop was put to use in the dead cold of winter, where you shot thousands of shots over and over again till you did it all night in your sleep. Your brothers and cousins and friends were even tougher on you than your coaches. In those days 100s of people would show up at a rural highschool game in the middle of a blizzard! It was a Spartan experience, those were the days!
I never understood the importance of sports "done right" until I entered the world as an adult, and became a parent myself.
Agreed...I'd shovel snow from my neighbors driveway before ours so I should play basketball in the middle of winter. I didn't walk uphill both ways to school though
WOW someone should interview you
so jelly, I grew up playing on the blacktops
A mistake I made with my early teams as a coach was getting too close with the parents of my players, Norm shows here why it’s important to keep them at an arm’s length. I always tried to see the best in people, but so many parents live vicariously through their children that if you allow them too much access into the inner workings of the team all the sudden there’s a dozen satellite coaches who all start to believe they’re in charge instead of you. Set clear boundaries, make it clearly known who the boss is, and don’t second guess yourself. Sometimes you’ll run into a situation where the administration or people above you don’t necessarily have your back, but strong leadership is predicted around staying true to your convictions and putting the well-being of others before yourself.
4:25 mark is every modern day coach’s dream. Parents that let coaches coach and tell their sons and daughters know who is in charge. End of story.
I like how when Rollin comes into the gym, he casually pushes aside the other men, and then approaches Dale hat in hand to speak to him. He straightens out his son, and then kicks out the other men.. all without making a threat or even raising his voice.
Happy 30th Anniv "Hoosiers"...released Nov 14,1986..still a classic!!!! HICKORY !!!!!!
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It's funny how the farmer had to tell the sheriff to respect the coach's rules
And he kicked him out too....he WAS twice his size though.
@@Kitchdmn3 "I got this." And later, Mr. Butcher replaced Shooter on the bench. Coach Dale respected him back.
lol...my first practice when I went out for my Jr. H.S. team was just like this...the coach put the chairs out and had us dribble through them, the stopped us and said now when you can learn to dribble like that with both hands while always looking forward we can start to really practice.
When Ollie makes his second shot and you will make your second shot. ❤cubby
Greatest movie ever made bar none !
best movie cry every time i see it
When Dale calls those men, "outsiders" I know exactly what they are thinking, "Outsiders, you are the outsider mister".
Jealous
The one time I screwed up at school and my dad did the same thing to me. A lesson I learned well and never repeated
Watching this the first time I thought it was a montage of them practicing, getting ready for the first game. Then the scene, there's still an hour left of practice lol. Holy Hell that was a long practice.
It's not obvious, but it is a montage - the coach wears three different outfits.
Best movie I was 8 years old when it was released and I've watched it ever since its my favorite basketball movie I've even cried when Jimmy chit wood hits the winning shot in the state championship
+Katie Williams Katie interesting point about that final shot. The actor said on an interview with Dan Patrick that when they filmed the last shot the director told the crowd of extras to jump up and down whether he hits the shot or not. The actor said, "I hit it the first time".
Now don't you go wearing out that VHS!!! :) Bad joke, I know. But 4real, I swear, I still keep thinking about the NCAA Final Game with Butler, biggest underdog ever to make the Final (OK, maybe Villanova in 85?) and Duke and the last play of the game a dude from Butler tried a shot from his end of the court, one of those "Hail Mary" type shots, and just to think if it goes in.... (Yes Duke won but still)...
Point I was making back there was that that team doing what they did, and that game, with that shot, was as close to a real life re-enactment of what we're seeing in Hoosiers (OK Yeah yeah yeah, I know, it could happen anywhere else...)
Hey, spoiler alert! 😃
one of the best movies ever
Looks like my first practice in Jr. H.S. back in ''69/70 academic year. Coach put chairs out just like that and told us, okay I know you all think you are pretty good dribblers but to make this team you are going to have to get through these chairs in under 7 seconds with your off hand...about 95% of the team missed that mark for many practices but we all became good off hand dribblers pretty quickly...I ended up playing point guard...Good Times.
Early Coach Carter
T M mix white version of coach carter
Happy soon to be 31 years still a classic Hickory.
If you never had a coach like this I feel sorry for you
I did, and I'm grateful.
Rollins is handling business, he asked them. What are you doing here then he escorts even the sheriff and everybody else out, that’s control.
That’s my favorite part of the movie.
I like how at 3:15 the team goes from 5 to 7 players then back to 5
He's got them practicing so hard they look like 7 players! :D
Make that four and a half
Still one of my favorites....
Evidently, a number of the players don't know the difference between right and left.
Rule #1 -- Listen to the Coach!
The boys & I are getting to know one another to figure out who we are & what we can become!
Strong left or off hand dribble can be obtained by constantly forcing yourself to dribble 75% with that hand until the pain goes away...it will take a year.
A “pure shooter” is greatly help by shooting and practicing on an all season non lighted outside court that is smooth but not level, that is height regulation at the front of the rim to the bottom of the court but sloping gradually farther from the rim, one hour practice a day at dusk and a half hour shooting in the dark listening for only for the swish of the net.
Can’t wait to go back to Knightstown Indiana.
Someone can tell my sweetheart that it's ok - she isn't at fault or nothing but perfect ! I don't need an explanation ! I'm not like regular folk and I understand ! All five guys on the floor functioning at one unit and becoming a team ! It's artwork ! I'll make it ! Make it a good one strap ! The lord I can feel his strength ! 🤣anyway my numbers plural - haven't changed - any time I'd be more than happy to help ! Just can't do anything with social media it's evil ! Every single time I go on there it causes me stress and new issues arise ! It upsets me and I can't live under those conditions ! It's not for me ! I don't need that negativity in my life ! Anyone wants to bypass that and figure things out - I'm in all in ! I'd be glad to do anything of the sort ! But going on that evil and disgusting social media isn't good for my mental health or my stress ! Plus nothing gets figured out or accomplished there anyway ! It's just drama and rumours and problems and provokes bad things and evil things - can't fight darkness with darkness - if it actually had a plan or a point - then maybe I'd subject myself to it and suck it up ! Deal with things - but there's absolutely nothing and no English no plan no communication just nothing ever - it's Nathan and just drama and causes more problems ! I hope you guys can understand that ! If I went right now and saw what ? My beautiful sweetheart ! That's it I can look at her in the photos offline ! I don't need that - she's always in my mind - so other than seeing her picture what exactly is the end game or the game plan ? That's what I've been saying there's never anything or explanation or reason or ideas or it's just circles and going round and round !
I ain't no gizzard.
+verno wormer When Rade says, "it's your funeral it's cool to find out what he meant by that. They are brothers and Rade knows what Dad is going to say and do. LoL.
His Dad told him he was a gizzard but he wasn't going to be a quitter.
When Raef says, It's your funeral and then the other kid /Whit? says I ain't no gizzard you don't know why Raef said it until you find out that they are brothers and Dad ain't happy. lol
Gene Hackman was such a great actor
My practice's aren't designed for your enjoyment.
Dangit, had Bush Sr. chosen Rollin to be his VP in '92 instead of Dan Quayle he would've gotten re-elected. Chose the wrong guy from Indy.
I know we see one player being brought back to apologise, but I still would have liked to have seen the deleted scene where Buddy and Coach Dale settle up. Buddy is the most self-confident of the players and his attitude here is so disrespectful. That makes me wonder exactly how Coach handles him in the missing scene. It's a very abrupt re-appearance later, with no indication of what understanding there is between Buddy, Coach and the other players. The only pay-off is Buddy's "Let's win for coach, who got us here."
Converse
Goodbye Old America 😢
Gassers...
If you made this movie today, no one would watch
cause no one would get it they would be on the phone texting
@@stephenfermoyle4578 indeed
Wouldn't be an all white team just saying
Those that really understand how great America was would watch. People would come.. and it would be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories would be so thick, they'd have to brush them away from their faces.....oops wrong movie....lol. But hopefully you get the point: true nostalgia!❤
Imagine this in 2019....what gender is the team coach?....being progressive doesn't always guarantee progress...WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS AMERICA.
very profound of you and, might I add, quite original
Well I don't believe the gender makes any difference. When I was the army and played on the Post Volleyball team we had an assistant female coach who was just like a drill Sargent in practice. In team sports you have to work like a well oiled machine.