idk how the Packers defense isn't mentioned here. The whole argument for Tua was that his defense holds him back but the Packers defense was arguably one of the worst in the league. They allowed the Panthers to score 30+ and still won the game. Love clears by a mile.
What I think is crazy is we’re talking about Tua’s stats and where he ranks in the NFL compared to Love…just take a look at who Jordan was throwing the ball to vs Tua. Look I love the guys the Packers have and I think there’s a bright future in GB with the play makers there….but if you got Waddle and ESPECIALLY Tyreek as your WR’s I sure hope your stats look better😂. The fact that Love had one more big play/time throw over Tua is absurd if you’re looking at who each player is throwing the rock to.
Using one game as irrefutable proof that one defense is drastically worse than another is disingenuous. Just to push the narrative that Jordan Love carried his team to wins. Look at the numbers. Statistically speaking, the Dolphins defense allowed 17 less yards per game but allowed 11 more TDs in the regular season than the Packers defense.
Yeah and we totally rebuilt our defense. People keep talking about a sophomore slump considering JLove n em won’t have a surprise factor. But I feel that surprise factor will come from the Defensive side this year
4 years of Tua and Jordan love has already thrown more TDs in single season. Tua has TYREEK HILL AND JAYLEN WADDLE. Jordan Love played with rookies and a shitty defence who gave up 33 to The panthers 😭
oOoOo no a org got their qb weapons, oOoOo no not every qb can be lucky like Mahomes and have Reid/kelce/hill 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 imagine a org actually drafting a decent wr after years of bad drafting OOoOO No
@@xBruskie Did Jordan Love have Tyreek and Waddle to throw to? Did he have a top 5 rushing game? Love did that in his first year starting with no top 30 WR, no top 15 TE, and a defense that ranked 27th in DVOA. He had two 2nd yr WRs, two rookie WRs, and two rookie TEs! Yes, he will have struggles because of how unproven GB was. GB was without Jaire and Stokes practically all season. Packers were starting a 7th rd rookie, a 6th rd, and an UDFA as their starting CBs most of the season. Aaron Jones missed 3 of the first 8 games during GB's struggles. They were missing 2 players who have been pro bowlers and 2 players who have been all pros in the first half of the season. That will affect the team massively. But to simply say "Love was horrible in the 1st half" with no context as if he was to blame is untrue and is ignorant. The struggles were justified.
What did Jordan love do in his second at bat? Got fucked by his kicker and played really well against the best defense in the last decade. With an awful defense, and the youngest team since like the 1970. What kind of argument is this. He played good enough to win, his defense couldn’t make a stop and his kicker choked.
If JLove had Tyreek, Waddle, an elite running back duo and a super offensive HC, then he would’ve put up MVP numbers last year. He almost did with Romeo Doubs and Dontayvion Wicks being his main weapons lmao. Come off it drew
McDaniel was a terrible play-caller last year, he refused to run the ball when he should and had no rhythm as a play-caller after September. And that's not even getting into the bottom five OL and WRs constantly failing. Tua backpacked that offense, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually understands the sport and watched Miami.
Who would do more on each team? Not even close... Love hands down would have done more. Look at the supporting casts. Hill and Waddle are leaps and bounds more savvy than anyone on the Packers roster. The fastest WR in GB was down with hamstring issues. The fastest RB was also down with hamstring issues. Much of the stats you see from Love was built once he had some healthy players return to the roster. The beginning of the season was a learning process because of how young everyone was. Love still out performed Tua. Not even close when you really think through what their seasons were like, who they had on their teams, etc. Don't forget Bakhtiari never really made it back to LT & Packers Safety play was atrocious, letting teams have points on demand all year. That's a lot to overcome with a young team and Love did it.
@@Luigi22Green In what stats? he has 3 more TDS and 3 LESS INTS. That’s it. Only won his team 9 games and played good halfway through the year. Beat dallas in the playoffs which the dolphins already did in the regular season. It doesn’t add up there is no debate that can make me think jordan love is better than tua.
@@chriscompo4865 You act like 3 TD’s and 3 INT’s isn’t a lot, also Jordan Love had 36 total TD’s Tua had 29 that’s 7 not 3, Love also had Jayden Reed and Romeo Doubs as his top 2 receivers instead of Hill and Waddle, beating a team in the regular season is nearly as important as winning in the playoffs so what does Miami beating Dallas in the regular season have to do with anything? By that logic Green Bay beat Kansas City in the regular season and Miami lost to them so if you value regular season wins as much as playoff wins which is already stupid Jordan Love is still better, I don’t care if they won 9 games they made it further in the playoffs with a worse team and that’s all that matters, regular season wins aren’t a QB stat so I don’t know why they even got brought up, Jordan Love played well once Aaron Jones was healthy and they could actually be decent at running the ball, Jordan Love is better has already done more and has a higher ceiling, if you disagree that’s fines but all your arguments were either wrong or pointless
That jets fan is a hater. The titans game, the d gave up 14 points in back to back drives. Tua got a possession in between and the drive ended with a 3rd down drop. Tyreek had a fumble returned for a td in the chiefs game and dolphins lost by a td, the bills game the dolphins gave up a punt return while having the lead with 10 minutes remaining. All Tua’s fault I guess haha
ohh look another box score checker who doesn’t realized the jets got cooked both on air, through the ground, and defensively so tua (5-0 vs jets btw) would have to sit out during 3rd and 4th quarters 😭
I’d rather have Jordan love. Also, ppl constantly make excuses for Tua. Not surprised Drew made this argument, he was the same person that said Jalen brown led the Cs as the guy to the championship.
…jaylen brown did lead the celtics to a chip tho 😭 tatum wasn’t playing well almost the whole series so brown stepped up and delivered most when his team needed him. i swear people out here really don’t be watching the games 😂
"Excuses" are having an overrated OC, bottom three OL, bad defense, your WRs constantly fucking up, and half the roster in the hospital. I'd literally any other QB had Tua's resume, you'd be creaming your pants and screaming about how they're a top 3 QB.
Tua has waddle and hill. Love had 1st and 2nd year receivers. Dude on right wants to whine about the dolphins defense when the packers defense was equally trash.
As a packers supporter since I can remember , dude in the Finn’s jersey is making a lot of sense with moving the goal post . The bears weren’t a good team, the Vikings were down like 2-3 QB’s ..
Typical dolphins fan. When you bring up valid points its defense blah blah blah. Dolphins fan really wanna compare defenses when packers fired their de cord last year? Wow man lol delusional
It can be argued that Tua is being carried by good receivers. Jordan love had a bunch of 1st and 2nd year receivers and got farther than Tua in the post season. Tua is a great athlete but Jordan is just better and more deserving.
J Love clears by a country mile, it’s not even close. Tua isn’t bad but he isn’t great either. Love’s arm talent is insane and he’s likely only going to get better. Tua has pretty much reached his ceiling by now, and he also has Tyreek and Waddle and still had less TDs and big time throws than Jordan last year, who had the youngest offense in the league with Aaron Jones also hurt 2/3 of the season. And of course the dominant playoff win in his first year starting whereas Tua still hasn’t won a playoff game.
@@jwomackandcheese73 you comparing a Dallas team that sucks every year in post season to the current greatest playoff team and super bowl champ back to back. They not at the same table
Dolphins fans are so unhinged about defending their mid QB. Tua is a solid QB, but never will he elite. McDaniel and the WRs carry him. Doesn’t have the big play ability to do things out of structure.
23:35 Severe underthrow… just over 40 air yards with 30+ mph wind gust in his face in -20 degree wind chill weather. Surely that is understandably a hard throw to make given the circumstances, no?
Saying that you wish Mike McDaniels would air it out more is absolutely insane, first of all he’s not the QB, secondly Tua’s arm strength got exposed in those conditions.
Seeing this is wild, we are seriously gonna take 8 games and say he’s better than the nfl passing leader and blaming him for KC game than Jordan love and say it was raining when humans literally lost fingers in KC. I’d take tua right now due to the sample size and what he’s given me. Both are not top 5
Love would have done more with Tua's squad easy. Hill, Waddle & Achane > Doubs, Hamstring Watson & Hamstring Jones (and a bunch of rookies). Considering Bakhtiari never really made it back, their offense was mostly rookies last year & their defense (especially safeties) was trash, Love outplayed and overcame wayyyy more than Tua.
@@Dabidbruhhow many years has that been again ? How many playoff games did tua play in them? So we going to judge one playoff appearance in one of the hardest football conditions in nfl history ? Most of the greats have lost their first playoff game , and have come back to be elite qbs. Tua has the potential , this is his third real season . Let’s see this year.
saying tua is walking in place when he proved he can throw deep last 2022 when every one said he couldn't then the next year says he injury prone then doesn't get many to no injury's. his growth as a qb is one of the greatest out there. yes he has his problems but it speak a lot to tua when his coach says this is his guy stating he is a franchise qb and probably in my minds one of the only people that can run mike McDaniel's Offence
People conveniently forgetting that like half the starting lineup for the Dolphins was injured towards the end of the season but sure, let's blame Tua for not beating the Chiefs with a hospital team on the road
How many years now Tua been in the league and has yet to win a playoff game? Lmao. Every team has injuries that’s not an excuse. Imagine if Love had the dolphins WR core.
Yeah, you have to be brain dead to pick Tua over Love. Love has easily elevated above and beyond. He adds way more to the team and shines much brighter under pressure. Tua Tagovailoa is a GOAT level choker. Imagine thinking Tua could beat that Cowboys team. Cowboys are a meme, but there is no chance in hell Tua even catches up atp. Dumb take fr. "Pick a side" like its a question. Also, bringing up the Dolphins defense as an arguement when Green Bay has historically bad defenses, only ever carried by amazing offenses. It is kind of insane ti me the idea that people get so hype and emotionally defensive in a sports debate as well lmao. Actually unhinged if you act like that in social situations, but it is good content. Dude on the far right gives me bad vibes with how emotionally volatile he is fr. Bro need therapy, he cannot communicate at all lmao. Dude on the left is a hardcore contrarian. Just takes whatever position is unpopular for the sake of debate. Saying both are terrible QBs in an era with hardly any good QBs is actually the worst take I've ever heard related to sports. You can tell bro on the far left is just a troll or says stuff for reactions. He wants to act giga-brain and better than the rest for his crazy takes and "new perspective" but it's just word salad. No chance he believes anything he is saying. Jordan Love is a top 5 QB or BETTER if he keeps up where he left off in the second half of last season. GB win over the Cowboys was easily the best game besides the superbowl of last season. That's the kind of game that gets talked about for decades. Also, let's not forget... the packers don't have much superstar talent. Jaire Alexander, Jordan Love, and Xavier McKinney are the big 3. Outside of that, their players are not that exceptional. It literally comes back to Jordan Love elevating players. Sure, the receiver core has a tong of DAWGs, but are they really that good compared to others? Not at all. It just comes down to the coaching and their QB elevating them. Tua can't do any of that and he has a lot of better support overall, from coaching to roster depth.
Tua is the most scrutinized QB in the whole league and for literally no reason. Dude almost died on the football field, had coach Flores who played mind games and never wanted him to succeed, and the dolphins as a whole were absolutely DECIMATED by injuries all last year. The entire defense, Tyreek, Waddle, most of the O-line ALL got hurt. People never give credit to what he’s overcome, they only focus on the negative. He’s a great QB and the offense is clearly better with him, pay him all the money he wants.
Love has had literally a half season of good games and because it was aesthetically pleasing I guess that makes him better.....all tua did was lead the league in passing yards and one of the tops in passer rating a legit MVP candidates 10 games into the season....but ok guess he just has to prove it again like he does every year
@@connornighbor1913 NARRATIVE!!!!! As usual it's all about the narrative the team won 11 games and that's a disappointment you know why? Cause dolphins fans(me) actually have expectations now something we never had before he arrived 🤷🏾♂️ let's not talk about him knocking those narratives down every year 1 by 1
What would Jordan love have done against that Kansas City Chiefs defense in -16° weather I’m pretty sure he would’ve also collapsed or possibly worse. Maybe have gotten hurt with that noodle of the body that he got so you can’t compare the dolphins playoff game against the Super Bowl champs to Jordan loves playoff games against NFC bums!
@@aidenmckenna306so it was not all J Love’s fault but because of his TEAM got it 👍🏻 so when Miami loses its the TEAM’s fault not just one player in this case Tua, everytime Miami loses its Tua’s fault even though the defense is completely injured and his o line is banged up with 13 different Offensive line rotation.
@@MelBeKing Just say you're an ignorant child, it'd be quicker and at least you'd be honest. Tyreek was wildly overrated by ignorant people in the media that didn't watch Miami and/or don't actually know what they're watching. Yea, Tyreek got a bunch of yards and some neat plays, I don't really care when he's fumbling, dropping touchdowns, dropping first downs, etc. Tua was in the MVP conversation for two years now, much to the disdain of the media. It wasn't until Miami's injuries became too much around Tua that Miami faltered and the media said, "Finally, we can just throw Tua out of these talks," for the past season. Tyreek got 6th place with no 1st place votes, even ahead of Mahomes. The people who vote for these awards don't know a damn thing about the sport, they're just mindless sheep. Tua backpacks Miami, not the other way around. If you actually knew anything about the sport and watched the games, you wouldn't be spouting this absurd bullshit.
"You're paying Jordan Love based on half a season!" This is just not true. Jordan Love has been there for 4 years. They aren't just saying it's based on his play last season. Jordan Love has been a leader in GB and they are paying in part because of his locker room and team leadership
tua is a scrub without his care package of an offense he plays in. put him in that same position love was last season. 3-6, moral down, wr and coaching problems. tua puts the packers in position to draft marvin harrison jr
Now we just admitting you were dropped in the head? Tua was throwing to Devante Parker and had the worst OL in the league and still got the team to 9-8 before McD and all the weapons.
@@hellothere9169 shoutout the defense and week schedule for 9-8. also vs tennessee that year a win to keep playoff hopes alive they lost by 30. tua always falls off in the big games at the end of the year.
Love played better in the playoff game against the Niners than Aaron Rodgers ever did. One INT was on him at the end, trying to play hero ball. The first INT was a bounce off the TE's hands. Any time a tipped ball hangs in the air that long, it's an INT waiting to happen. He moved the ball down the field better than Tua did against playoff teams, with 'lesser weapons'.
Thanks Drew💪🏼👏🏻👏🏻 for always standing up for Tua against them annoying ahh haters😒..(even if Tua wins the superbowl, they will never try to give Tua any credit..they bunch of Tua ahh haters 🙄😬🤦🏻♀️😒).
Love did it with all 1st and second year receivers and TE’s. No Jones for most of the season. Over performing injured offensive line and Joe Barry on defense. 😂
Tua had 2 years with McDaniel. 2022, concussion. 2023, 18 injured starters. You have to understand the injuries especially in the IOL. They were also not given a contested catcher/te, check down option, underroute threat, inside run leverage. Trust me guys, you’re being duped if you think Tua isn’t elite. Guy lead the nfl in passing without 3 different leverage options that Jordan Love had. Don’t be easily bamboozled 😂
Also, I think Jordan Love will be elite. 8 games and the weapons he had… his ability to check down to Aaron Jones is masking so much. Watson, Doubs, Reed are all fantastic. You guys are pretending he didn’t have Muskgrave and Craft. Every level of the field threatened at all times plus an easy checkdown and a top line in front. Opposed to Tua with no time to throw, not 1 contested catcher, no time for checkdown, and no fill for Hill or Waddle when they get injured. You can say Hill and Waddle until you are blue in the face, you need to understand offensive leverage to have this conversation
You put Tua on the Lions and Niners they win a Super Bowl. Tua has way better anticipation, accuracy, pocket awareness. Love had Elite weapons, you are cutting these guys short
One more and I’m done 😂 If Fangio held the Titans in 3 minutes and 15 points they win the division Bills week 4. First time with Eichenburg at center. Time to throw dropped from 2.8 to 2.1 seconds Not one qb in the nfl has lead the nfl in passing with under 2.5 seconds to throw. Tua had to move into a single step drop back and quick read. No vantage point to process beyond your first read.
Hill left the field against the chiefs. Waddle was out. Tua threw a square route to Claypool and Claypool ran a comeback. Rapp was on his forefoot instead of his midfoot which is why he jumped it and got the pick. Tuas fault for throwing the spot. More Claypool fault for not squaring off his route
I don't watch a ton of dolphins football bc im a bears fan but tua maybe one of the most overhated and slandered qbs ive seen in a while. Dude was one of the best qbs last year statistically, however i think love is worth it in the long run but the tua hate needs to end.
Love the argument dolphins defense while Packers fans had to watch Joe Barry give up so many points to every team even the Panthers Packers had one of the worse defenses last year 😢
Defense against titans, pick 6 will Levis, fumble recovery vs Henry on their side of field. Only reason offense scored was defense turnovers: offense for Miami was very bad
cuz connor williams went down, waddle was in the game for like 2 plays, tyreek couldn’t even stay in on every drive, and when you got key players who ran the 1s at practice and are an important part of the game plan unavailable, it’s not exactly easy for other guys to just go in an step up. especially when those other guys are scrubs in comparison
The lack of credit Matt Lefleur is getting is insane. If you actually watched those Packers games, he was scheming receivers WIDE open. Jordan Love played at his worst when it all relied on him. He’s still a great QB, but we’re not gonna lie and pretend that Love is somehow already better than Tua. That’s just wild
wtf does drew not understand about the dolphins offense vs playoff teams. if this god awful defense let up only 21 points vs billsx2,eagles,chiefsx2,ravens they still lose cause tua can’t lead the offense. dolphins average 35 points against losing teams and average 16 points against playoff teams
How can anyone think Tua is better when Tua has Hill and waddle and Kobe has rookies and second year players and Love has won a playoff game while Tua has yet win a playoff game lmao. If u watch both players it’s easy to see Love is better. Tua can’t throw 20 yards down the field without throwing a pick
Nobody is gonna mention how well established and loaded the dolphins were? And the fact that the packers were in a rebuild year? Dolphins ain't coming close to smoking Dallas.
I’m a simple man, I see a HEATED debate I click on the vid.
Debating Tua with two jets fans is sick work 😂
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i wouldnt wish this on my worst enemy
As a Pack fan this is hilarious
As a jets fan I'm miserable
@@LilDarmand delusional
idk how the Packers defense isn't mentioned here. The whole argument for Tua was that his defense holds him back but the Packers defense was arguably one of the worst in the league. They allowed the Panthers to score 30+ and still won the game. Love clears by a mile.
Baker Mayfield, Bryce Love, and Tommy DeVito looked like all pros against the packers D
What I think is crazy is we’re talking about Tua’s stats and where he ranks in the NFL compared to Love…just take a look at who Jordan was throwing the ball to vs Tua. Look I love the guys the Packers have and I think there’s a bright future in GB with the play makers there….but if you got Waddle and ESPECIALLY Tyreek as your WR’s I sure hope your stats look better😂. The fact that Love had one more big play/time throw over Tua is absurd if you’re looking at who each player is throwing the rock to.
Using one game as irrefutable proof that one defense is drastically worse than another is disingenuous. Just to push the narrative that Jordan Love carried his team to wins. Look at the numbers. Statistically speaking, the Dolphins defense allowed 17 less yards per game but allowed 11 more TDs in the regular season than the Packers defense.
Yeah and we totally rebuilt our defense. People keep talking about a sophomore slump considering JLove n em won’t have a surprise factor. But I feel that surprise factor will come from the Defensive side this year
If you swapped them love would win MVP in Miami with those weapons and tua would probably get benched in Green Bay
4 years of Tua and Jordan love has already thrown more TDs in single season. Tua has TYREEK HILL AND JAYLEN WADDLE. Jordan Love played with rookies and a shitty defence who gave up 33 to The panthers 😭
I mean Tua would have a lot more TDs if his RB didn’t lead the league in rushing touchdowns. Tua throws them into the redzone and then they run it in.
@@RaptorsGamingIncur proving the point even more for how love clears him
@@rajveergill7993 you can say that but I see it as a lot of easy 10-1 yard TDs that would’ve easily ended up on his stat sheet
oOoOo no a org got their qb weapons, oOoOo no not every qb can be lucky like Mahomes and have Reid/kelce/hill 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 imagine a org actually drafting a decent wr after years of bad drafting OOoOO No
@@uppertroupe I don’t understand what your getting at, are you saying Tua>Love?
J love clears so hard
@@xBruskiehalf a season yet more wins against winning teams and a playoff win
@@xBruskiedrew Bree’s could beat good teams and could perform in cold weather unlike Tua but go on
Facts
@@xBruskieBruh, you spitting facts! Keep smoking these fools!
@@xBruskie Did Jordan Love have Tyreek and Waddle to throw to? Did he have a top 5 rushing game? Love did that in his first year starting with no top 30 WR, no top 15 TE, and a defense that ranked 27th in DVOA. He had two 2nd yr WRs, two rookie WRs, and two rookie TEs! Yes, he will have struggles because of how unproven GB was. GB was without Jaire and Stokes practically all season. Packers were starting a 7th rd rookie, a 6th rd, and an UDFA as their starting CBs most of the season. Aaron Jones missed 3 of the first 8 games during GB's struggles. They were missing 2 players who have been pro bowlers and 2 players who have been all pros in the first half of the season. That will affect the team massively. But to simply say "Love was horrible in the 1st half" with no context as if he was to blame is untrue and is ignorant. The struggles were justified.
The only people that pick Tua over Love is is Dolphins fans and Drew.
I don’t .. I’m a dolphins fan and I know that Tua is cheeks
@@Wako954Tvnot a dolphins fan buddy
@@thelaseringtrespiker4006 keep being delusional dummy
Fact bc wht r we talking about about😭🤷🏽♂️
There is nothing to debate here Jordan Love is head and shoulders better than tua 😂
What did Jordan love do in his second at bat? Got fucked by his kicker and played really well against the best defense in the last decade. With an awful defense, and the youngest team since like the 1970. What kind of argument is this. He played good enough to win, his defense couldn’t make a stop and his kicker choked.
This is so accurate. If the kicker didn’t miss multiple times in that game this wouldn’t even be a conversation.
Being a packers fan this couldn’t have been said any better, the kicker situation in Green Bay is FUCKING nightmare after Crosby left 😓
What’s funny is Tua is undefeated against the jets so I get the slander
If JLove had Tyreek, Waddle, an elite running back duo and a super offensive HC, then he would’ve put up MVP numbers last year. He almost did with Romeo Doubs and Dontayvion Wicks being his main weapons lmao. Come off it drew
😂😂😂😂😂
na he not that good
McDaniel was a terrible play-caller last year, he refused to run the ball when he should and had no rhythm as a play-caller after September. And that's not even getting into the bottom five OL and WRs constantly failing.
Tua backpacked that offense, and it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually understands the sport and watched Miami.
Jayden Reed had 800 yards and 8 tds last year too. Jlove spread that rock around
Loves “bad game” still would’ve been enough to beat the niners if his kicker made a 40 yard field goal
Who would do more on each team? Not even close... Love hands down would have done more.
Look at the supporting casts. Hill and Waddle are leaps and bounds more savvy than anyone on the Packers roster. The fastest WR in GB was down with hamstring issues. The fastest RB was also down with hamstring issues. Much of the stats you see from Love was built once he had some healthy players return to the roster. The beginning of the season was a learning process because of how young everyone was. Love still out performed Tua. Not even close when you really think through what their seasons were like, who they had on their teams, etc. Don't forget Bakhtiari never really made it back to LT & Packers Safety play was atrocious, letting teams have points on demand all year. That's a lot to overcome with a young team and Love did it.
Love did NOT out preform tua.
Based on what exactly when it counted @chriscompo4865
@@chriscompo4865He was better in most stats and won a playoff game, he definitely outplayed him
@@Luigi22Green In what stats? he has 3 more TDS and 3 LESS INTS. That’s it. Only won his team 9 games and played good halfway through the year. Beat dallas in the playoffs which the dolphins already did in the regular season. It doesn’t add up there is no debate that can make me think jordan love is better than tua.
@@chriscompo4865 You act like 3 TD’s and 3 INT’s isn’t a lot, also Jordan Love had 36 total TD’s Tua had 29 that’s 7 not 3, Love also had Jayden Reed and Romeo Doubs as his top 2 receivers instead of Hill and Waddle, beating a team in the regular season is nearly as important as winning in the playoffs so what does Miami beating Dallas in the regular season have to do with anything? By that logic Green Bay beat Kansas City in the regular season and Miami lost to them so if you value regular season wins as much as playoff wins which is already stupid Jordan Love is still better, I don’t care if they won 9 games they made it further in the playoffs with a worse team and that’s all that matters, regular season wins aren’t a QB stat so I don’t know why they even got brought up, Jordan Love played well once Aaron Jones was healthy and they could actually be decent at running the ball, Jordan Love is better has already done more and has a higher ceiling, if you disagree that’s fines but all your arguments were either wrong or pointless
That jets fan is a hater. The titans game, the d gave up 14 points in back to back drives. Tua got a possession in between and the drive ended with a 3rd down drop. Tyreek had a fumble returned for a td in the chiefs game and dolphins lost by a td, the bills game the dolphins gave up a punt return while having the lead with 10 minutes remaining. All Tua’s fault I guess haha
Tua fraud look at his numbers against good teams
@@pranavnair4263and then go look at everyone’s numbers against “good teams” and see where he lands 🤨
Tua still not better then Love though
@@kingkermit0118 Too early to say. We shall see
What a sad thing to watch a dolphins fan try to have a constructive argument
Lmao "he's been walking in place for 3 years" kinda got a point there 😂
They didn’t go on the road to be Dallas, that was a home game.
Bro of course jets fans are gonna hate Tua he's been clapping those cheeks since he got in the NFL lol
Tua vs the Jets 467 yards 2 tds and 2ints he really “dominated” them.
ohh look another box score checker who doesn’t realized the jets got cooked both on air, through the ground, and defensively so tua (5-0 vs jets btw) would have to sit out during 3rd and 4th quarters 😭
No Joel yells it was raining to defend Loves 2 picks like Tua wasn’t playing in frozen hell 😂
Jordan better
I’d rather have Jordan love. Also, ppl constantly make excuses for Tua. Not surprised Drew made this argument, he was the same person that said Jalen brown led the Cs as the guy to the championship.
…jaylen brown did lead the celtics to a chip tho 😭 tatum wasn’t playing well almost the whole series so brown stepped up and delivered most when his team needed him. i swear people out here really don’t be watching the games 😂
"Excuses" are having an overrated OC, bottom three OL, bad defense, your WRs constantly fucking up, and half the roster in the hospital.
I'd literally any other QB had Tua's resume, you'd be creaming your pants and screaming about how they're a top 3 QB.
I've Learned Years ago, to NEVER argue with a Dolphin Fan, because they are extremely Delusional
Youngest and cheapest offense vs 1 of highest paid offenses
Watch this “cheap” offense shine this season
@@bruce4563 yo they going to cook. Wasn't an insult. I bleed green and yellow
Tua has waddle and hill. Love had 1st and 2nd year receivers. Dude on right wants to whine about the dolphins defense when the packers defense was equally trash.
Love did it with rookies and 2nd year players. Tua had the best WR and one of the best WR duos in the league.
As a packers supporter since I can remember , dude in the Finn’s jersey is making a lot of sense with moving the goal post . The bears weren’t a good team, the Vikings were down like 2-3 QB’s ..
Dolphins fan “debating” his own QB is a mistake lmaoo you can see how angry the dude got right away, started sliding his phone all over that desk 😂😂
14:57 check miamis wr depth chart his rookie year and see how many are still starters (its zero)
If Miami loses its all Tua’s fault if Miami wins its because of his receivers and coach the hate for Tua is crazy.
He has more help on offense than any other qb
@@ericpapendorf683 does not mean it is always his fault when the defense gives you 30+ points there is a problem and its not Tua’s fault
You seen the niners cuh?
@@ericpapendorf683niners and eagles have way better supporting casts
It amazes me they don't hear their own hypocrisy.
Typical dolphins fan. When you bring up valid points its defense blah blah blah. Dolphins fan really wanna compare defenses when packers fired their de cord last year? Wow man lol delusional
The money is also for what the front office THINKS these guys can be , not just what they done so far.
It can be argued that Tua is being carried by good receivers. Jordan love had a bunch of 1st and 2nd year receivers and got farther than Tua in the post season. Tua is a great athlete but Jordan is just better and more deserving.
J Love clears by a country mile, it’s not even close. Tua isn’t bad but he isn’t great either. Love’s arm talent is insane and he’s likely only going to get better.
Tua has pretty much reached his ceiling by now, and he also has Tyreek and Waddle and still had less TDs and big time throws than Jordan last year, who had the youngest offense in the league with Aaron Jones also hurt 2/3 of the season. And of course the dominant playoff win in his first year starting whereas Tua still hasn’t won a playoff game.
Wow beating Dallas in the playoffs is so hard .Tua played mahomes only 2 qbs have ever beaten mahomes in the playoffs
Who is Tua throwing to and who is Love throwing to. The Packers didn't just beat Dallas, they destroyed them in their own house as the 7th seed.
Love beat mahomes in the regular season . Granted it was regular season and in Green Bay but he still beat him.
@@BillCant90 so did Aiden oconnel with the raiders . So does that make him better than mahomes 😭😭😭
@@jwomackandcheese73 you comparing a Dallas team that sucks every year in post season to the current greatest playoff team and super bowl champ back to back. They not at the same table
Dolphins fans are so unhinged about defending their mid QB. Tua is a solid QB, but never will he elite. McDaniel and the WRs carry him. Doesn’t have the big play ability to do things out of structure.
he didnt play the 49ers game badly?? if the kicker made his FG they wouldve won against the NFL’s best team..
23:35 Severe underthrow… just over 40 air yards with 30+ mph wind gust in his face in -20 degree wind chill weather. Surely that is understandably a hard throw to make given the circumstances, no?
These aren't serious people, they're mindless children lashing out.
Jordan Love “stunk” against the 49ers lost him the argument. 😂
did joel pay dehls to sit there and be a yes-man the whole time bro holy shit
Saying that you wish Mike McDaniels would air it out more is absolutely insane, first of all he’s not the QB, secondly Tua’s arm strength got exposed in those conditions.
Seeing this is wild, we are seriously gonna take 8 games and say he’s better than the nfl passing leader and blaming him for KC game than Jordan love and say it was raining when humans literally lost fingers in KC. I’d take tua right now due to the sample size and what he’s given me. Both are not top 5
love only played 1 season and has more wins against playoff teams than tua in the mcdaniel era
Love would have done more with Tua's squad easy. Hill, Waddle & Achane > Doubs, Hamstring Watson & Hamstring Jones (and a bunch of rookies). Considering Bakhtiari never really made it back, their offense was mostly rookies last year & their defense (especially safeties) was trash, Love outplayed and overcame wayyyy more than Tua.
Jordan Love played 19 games last year buddy. Quit parroting the media narrative that he only had 8 good games.
@@Dabidbruhhow many years has that been again ? How many playoff games did tua play in them? So we going to judge one playoff appearance in one of the hardest football conditions in nfl history ? Most of the greats have lost their first playoff game , and have come back to be elite qbs. Tua has the potential , this is his third real season . Let’s see this year.
Lol.
You don't know ball
saying tua is walking in place when he proved he can throw deep last 2022 when every one said he couldn't then the next year says he injury prone then doesn't get many to no injury's. his growth as a qb is one of the greatest out there. yes he has his problems but it speak a lot to tua when his coach says this is his guy stating he is a franchise qb and probably in my minds one of the only people that can run mike McDaniel's Offence
Goal post moves for people they like
Tua overrated as hell
How can you be overrated when everyone says you suck
You stupid! Everyone says he sucks! Don't comment again, dawg. You just hating for no reason! 🤣
Pack were a kicker away from beating San Fran, Miami boy needs to relax
People conveniently forgetting that like half the starting lineup for the Dolphins was injured towards the end of the season but sure, let's blame Tua for not beating the Chiefs with a hospital team on the road
How many years now Tua been in the league and has yet to win a playoff game? Lmao. Every team has injuries that’s not an excuse. Imagine if Love had the dolphins WR core.
Yeah, you have to be brain dead to pick Tua over Love. Love has easily elevated above and beyond. He adds way more to the team and shines much brighter under pressure. Tua Tagovailoa is a GOAT level choker. Imagine thinking Tua could beat that Cowboys team. Cowboys are a meme, but there is no chance in hell Tua even catches up atp. Dumb take fr. "Pick a side" like its a question. Also, bringing up the Dolphins defense as an arguement when Green Bay has historically bad defenses, only ever carried by amazing offenses. It is kind of insane ti me the idea that people get so hype and emotionally defensive in a sports debate as well lmao. Actually unhinged if you act like that in social situations, but it is good content. Dude on the far right gives me bad vibes with how emotionally volatile he is fr. Bro need therapy, he cannot communicate at all lmao. Dude on the left is a hardcore contrarian. Just takes whatever position is unpopular for the sake of debate. Saying both are terrible QBs in an era with hardly any good QBs is actually the worst take I've ever heard related to sports. You can tell bro on the far left is just a troll or says stuff for reactions. He wants to act giga-brain and better than the rest for his crazy takes and "new perspective" but it's just word salad. No chance he believes anything he is saying. Jordan Love is a top 5 QB or BETTER if he keeps up where he left off in the second half of last season. GB win over the Cowboys was easily the best game besides the superbowl of last season. That's the kind of game that gets talked about for decades. Also, let's not forget... the packers don't have much superstar talent. Jaire Alexander, Jordan Love, and Xavier McKinney are the big 3. Outside of that, their players are not that exceptional. It literally comes back to Jordan Love elevating players. Sure, the receiver core has a tong of DAWGs, but are they really that good compared to others? Not at all. It just comes down to the coaching and their QB elevating them. Tua can't do any of that and he has a lot of better support overall, from coaching to roster depth.
Tua is the most scrutinized QB in the whole league and for literally no reason. Dude almost died on the football field, had coach Flores who played mind games and never wanted him to succeed, and the dolphins as a whole were absolutely DECIMATED by injuries all last year. The entire defense, Tyreek, Waddle, most of the O-line ALL got hurt. People never give credit to what he’s overcome, they only focus on the negative. He’s a great QB and the offense is clearly better with him, pay him all the money he wants.
This debate pointless
Love has had literally a half season of good games and because it was aesthetically pleasing I guess that makes him better.....all tua did was lead the league in passing yards and one of the tops in passer rating a legit MVP candidates 10 games into the season....but ok guess he just has to prove it again like he does every year
He was awful against teams over 500
@@connornighbor1913 NARRATIVE!!!!! As usual it's all about the narrative the team won 11 games and that's a disappointment you know why? Cause dolphins fans(me) actually have expectations now something we never had before he arrived 🤷🏾♂️ let's not talk about him knocking those narratives down every year 1 by 1
Jordan is way better than tua. Is this a joke?
What would Jordan love have done against that Kansas City Chiefs defense in -16° weather I’m pretty sure he would’ve also collapsed or possibly worse. Maybe have gotten hurt with that noodle of the body that he got so you can’t compare the dolphins playoff game against the Super Bowl champs to Jordan loves playoff games against NFC bums!
10/10 rage bait, you almost got me with that one
This was Riv’s best performance in a hot minute. Bro was vibin and enjoying while coming in with the hot take.
We will see who goes deeper in the playoffs
Both J love and Tua played horrible against the super bowl teams J love played bad against the niners and Tua played bad against KC
J love dominated the chiefs…
@@McKonky99 yes because the chiefs in the regular season were the same chiefs in the playoffs
Packers would’ve beat the niners if their kicker didn’t miss multiple times.
@@aidenmckenna306so it was not all J Love’s fault but because of his TEAM got it 👍🏻 so when Miami loses its the TEAM’s fault not just one player in this case Tua, everytime Miami loses its Tua’s fault even though the defense is completely injured and his o line is banged up with 13 different Offensive line rotation.
If Tua didn’t have tyreek hill this wouldn’t even be close.
Tyreek's a big reason Miami didn't win about four extra games last year.
@@ThatFalloutGod silly comment lol, he was getting mvp consideration over his QB and receivers never come close to winning an MVP.
@@MelBeKing Just say you're an ignorant child, it'd be quicker and at least you'd be honest.
Tyreek was wildly overrated by ignorant people in the media that didn't watch Miami and/or don't actually know what they're watching. Yea, Tyreek got a bunch of yards and some neat plays, I don't really care when he's fumbling, dropping touchdowns, dropping first downs, etc.
Tua was in the MVP conversation for two years now, much to the disdain of the media. It wasn't until Miami's injuries became too much around Tua that Miami faltered and the media said, "Finally, we can just throw Tua out of these talks," for the past season. Tyreek got 6th place with no 1st place votes, even ahead of Mahomes. The people who vote for these awards don't know a damn thing about the sport, they're just mindless sheep.
Tua backpacks Miami, not the other way around. If you actually knew anything about the sport and watched the games, you wouldn't be spouting this absurd bullshit.
"You're paying Jordan Love based on half a season!" This is just not true. Jordan Love has been there for 4 years. They aren't just saying it's based on his play last season. Jordan Love has been a leader in GB and they are paying in part because of his locker room and team leadership
tua is a scrub without his care package of an offense he plays in. put him in that same position love was last season. 3-6, moral down, wr and coaching problems. tua puts the packers in position to draft marvin harrison jr
Tua faced the same issue during his rookie season but never complained...😢😢
Now we just admitting you were dropped in the head? Tua was throwing to Devante Parker and had the worst OL in the league and still got the team to 9-8 before McD and all the weapons.
@@hellothere9169 tua was in a bad situation not uplifting and they were calling him a bust. love wasn’t even playing and they called him a bust
@@hellothere9169 shoutout the defense and week schedule for 9-8. also vs tennessee that year a win to keep playoff hopes alive they lost by 30. tua always falls off in the big games at the end of the year.
Only dolphins fans are taking Tua over Love 💀
Buddy is almost in tears defending Tua 😂
You guys seem to forget Rodgers got his first extension midway through his first year starting
Love played better in the playoff game against the Niners than Aaron Rodgers ever did. One INT was on him at the end, trying to play hero ball. The first INT was a bounce off the TE's hands. Any time a tipped ball hangs in the air that long, it's an INT waiting to happen. He moved the ball down the field better than Tua did against playoff teams, with 'lesser weapons'.
We keep forgetting that Tua doesn't play defense. I wonder why that is.
1. They have the same agent.
2. Tua is getting paid more for the simple fact FLORIDA. No state tax.
Bruh Tua plays in a division with 4 free wins a year, Jordan Love preformed in the best division in football... end of discussion
Tua has tyreek and Jaylen Waddle… These guys are in completely different tiers, not even an argument.
Love clears by a mile
Yo dude with the Tua jersey, keep it up. You were 3v1 on this debate. They clinching at straws and moving goal posts for their dumb ass takes.
He got tight real quick 😂😂😂
To be honest, I’m a Packer fan. I think they’re only defending Jordan love because they know they’re going to get them in 15 years 😁
“That’s arguable” says the concern dolphins fan getting fired in a discussion 😂😂😂 literally just flapping his lips
Thanks Drew💪🏼👏🏻👏🏻 for always standing up for Tua against them annoying ahh haters😒..(even if Tua wins the superbowl, they will never try to give Tua any credit..they bunch of Tua ahh haters 🙄😬🤦🏻♀️😒).
Love did it with all 1st and second year receivers and TE’s. No Jones for most of the season. Over performing injured offensive line and Joe Barry on defense. 😂
Tua had 2 years with McDaniel. 2022, concussion. 2023, 18 injured starters. You have to understand the injuries especially in the IOL. They were also not given a contested catcher/te, check down option, underroute threat, inside run leverage.
Trust me guys, you’re being duped if you think Tua isn’t elite. Guy lead the nfl in passing without 3 different leverage options that Jordan Love had. Don’t be easily bamboozled 😂
Also, I think Jordan Love will be elite. 8 games and the weapons he had… his ability to check down to Aaron Jones is masking so much. Watson, Doubs, Reed are all fantastic. You guys are pretending he didn’t have Muskgrave and Craft. Every level of the field threatened at all times plus an easy checkdown and a top line in front. Opposed to Tua with no time to throw, not 1 contested catcher, no time for checkdown, and no fill for Hill or Waddle when they get injured. You can say Hill and Waddle until you are blue in the face, you need to understand offensive leverage to have this conversation
You put Tua on the Lions and Niners they win a Super Bowl. Tua has way better anticipation, accuracy, pocket awareness.
Love had Elite weapons, you are cutting these guys short
One more and I’m done 😂
If Fangio held the Titans in 3 minutes and 15 points they win the division
Bills week 4. First time with Eichenburg at center. Time to throw dropped from 2.8 to 2.1 seconds
Not one qb in the nfl has lead the nfl in passing with under 2.5 seconds to throw. Tua had to move into a single step drop back and quick read. No vantage point to process beyond your first read.
Hill left the field against the chiefs. Waddle was out. Tua threw a square route to Claypool and Claypool ran a comeback. Rapp was on his forefoot instead of his midfoot which is why he jumped it and got the pick. Tuas fault for throwing the spot. More Claypool fault for not squaring off his route
Tua might be a steal considering QBs are gonna be getting 60 a year next season
I don't watch a ton of dolphins football bc im a bears fan but tua maybe one of the most overhated and slandered qbs ive seen in a while. Dude was one of the best qbs last year statistically, however i think love is worth it in the long run but the tua hate needs to end.
I like Tua, he’s a good QB, but the games I did watch last year, he crumbles in crunch time.
Love the argument dolphins defense while Packers fans had to watch Joe Barry give up so many points to every team even the Panthers Packers had one of the worse defenses last year 😢
7:27 dude on the left needs to realize the o line got hurt and everything got messed up. 13 different rotations of oline groups
Is Drew dumb? Saying the packers had a better offensive infrastructure isn’t even a debate it’s actually laughable
Defense against titans, pick 6 will Levis, fumble recovery vs Henry on their side of field. Only reason offense scored was defense turnovers: offense for Miami was very bad
cuz connor williams went down, waddle was in the game for like 2 plays, tyreek couldn’t even stay in on every drive, and when you got key players who ran the 1s at practice and are an important part of the game plan unavailable, it’s not exactly easy for other guys to just go in an step up. especially when those other guys are scrubs in comparison
The lack of credit Matt Lefleur is getting is insane. If you actually watched those Packers games, he was scheming receivers WIDE open. Jordan Love played at his worst when it all relied on him. He’s still a great QB, but we’re not gonna lie and pretend that Love is somehow already better than Tua. That’s just wild
Love is better
Mike McDaniel, Tyreek hill, jaylen waddle, achane and mostert
Are we going to factor in tuna has Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle
Tua over Love is insane lol
wtf does drew not understand about the dolphins offense vs playoff teams. if this god awful defense let up only 21 points vs billsx2,eagles,chiefsx2,ravens they still lose cause tua can’t lead the offense. dolphins average 35 points against losing teams and average 16 points against playoff teams
How can anyone think Tua is better when Tua has Hill and waddle and Kobe has rookies and second year players and Love has won a playoff game while Tua has yet win a playoff game lmao. If u watch both players it’s easy to see Love is better. Tua can’t throw 20 yards down the field without throwing a pick
ask them when the last time the jets beat tua gtfoh
1:18 tua lost to the superbowl champions.. love lost to some loser team in playoff
Tua can't play below 50 and that is the problem
QBs being paid way to much bruv
Tua got hurt in 22 and last year played in his first playoff game
These dudes funny
LOVE ERA!! 💯💯
tua can’t play in the cold. literally the moment it’s under 40 degrees he turns right into a pumpkin
8:53 keeps saying Tua can’t get the ball down the field. He got pressured faster than every other starter. OLINE
No he just stinks
3 dolphins haters vs a reasonable Dolphins fan 🤣 Them jets be gettin they ass kicked by miami no wonder they don’t like tua.
Tua Gonna shut everybody up this year... Miami dolphin super bowl champions... Tua MVP, They still gonna hate...
You’re building a dream team, your qb choices are only Tua or love. No one is taking Tua
Nobody is gonna mention how well established and loaded the dolphins were? And the fact that the packers were in a rebuild year? Dolphins ain't coming close to smoking Dallas.
Where's John
I'm taking love, tua can only play in the McDaniel system .