“Jimmy Butler Choked” - Joel and Drew Get into a HEATED Debate
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- Hosts: Joel Moran, River Brown, Andrew Velez, Joel Dehls
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Jimmy Butler has the most 40 point playoff games since joining Miami, Miami has the most playoff wins since he’s joined Miami, he’s beating Giannis multiple times with less talent, he’s beat Boston multiple times with less talent, his resume is insane. If course he’s one of the best playoff performers of this generation. Even before Miami, when Embiid and Ben was breaking down, he took Kawhi to Game 7 at the buzzer
"The most 40 point games in the playoffs since joining maimi" sounds great until to actually check and see that he's had 6 games with atleast 40 and then in the same span of playoff games he's had 21 games in which he's failed to score 20 points in a game and that's my issue with Jimmy, he's wildly inconsistent and from a game to game basis if that was KD, Lebron, Steph, Jokic, Luka, Tatum or Embiid they get an onslaught of slander from the general public.
And then not to pile on, he's been in 64 playoff games in Maimi and he's shot under 45% 29 times. So that's nearly half his games. So again, not consistent enough to be labeled a superstar.
@@np134 that’s extremely disingenuous because half of that 20 is games where we blew teams out and games where Jimmy Butler got injured and didn’t finish the game. Shooting under 45% and winning isn’t a bad stat. Kawhi’s efficiency, Steph’s efficiency, and plenty others in multiple playoff series wins TANKED
Jimmy has been consistent enough to have the most playoff wins, Jimmy has been consistent enough to beat those who you would deem superstars head to head, with Less talent on his roster. Jimmy did something that Lebron couldn’t, beat Jokic in denver. And I bet you’ll call Lebron a superstar
@np134 it's funny that Jimmy is inconsistent compare to Embiid who hasn't done shit in the postseason like not lead his team to an ECF and Jimmy in two in the last four years has been to the NBA finals while beating Giannis and Tatum both years and beat Embiid last postseason. Miami is the best team in the East and has been since 2020. The so called best teams in the East, Miami has beaten them and Jimmy has been the primary reason for the Heat's success.
@@jeremyadom5672 imagine using Embiid to try big up Jimmy. No one on EARTH would call Embiid a legendary/superstar playoff performer, theyd say hes a dog shit choker. So using Embiid to try and explain y Jimmy is a legendary playoff performer is fucking stupid. Fact of the matter is Jimmy is inconsistent as fuck and when hes had the biggest games/series, he plays dog shit. People dont care that Jimmy lost to the Nuggets because the Nuggets were heavy favourites, but its the fact he played DOG SHIT in those games. They got blown out by Denver, because Jimmy was dog shit. Y'all put Jimmy on this pedastal but compare him to guys who people say ARE exceptional playoff performers n said players biggest ever moments, none of them r dog shit.
Luka - Destroyed the Suns in game 7 and if u wanna talk about his Warriors series after that, Luka averaged 32, 9 and 6. Again even tho he lost to the Warriors, Luka still played good even tho his team was dog shit n they were massive underdogs/over achievers.
Giannis - Biggest moment, NBA finals. I also think Giannis playoff success is also overrated but in his BIGGEST ever series against a very talented Suns team, Giannis drops 50 in a elimination game and averages 35, 13 and 5. Thats legenedary shit.
Steph - In his first ever NBA finals, Steph fucking cooks averaging 26, 5 and 6 with 2 steals per on great efficiency. Leads that team to there first ring n should of won finals mvp.
Jokic - His first NBA finals, where it matters. 30, 14 and 7 on insane efficiency. Putting y'all in a pack. Not choking or playing dog shit, n sure his team was better but he was still exceptional. He didnt drop off like Jimmy did
Now lets look at Jimmy - His biggest NBA finals ever again where it matters. Been great (although overrated) in the series before that. But this is what makes you a LEGENDARY playoff performer. He doesnt need to win but he needs to play good. Dude drops 21, 4 and 6 n plays dog shit for nearly every fucking game. Im sorry I dont care how good Jimmy plays before the finals, no one gives a fuck or remembers about it until its time to show up. N when it was time to show up, he showed he wasnt as great as the likes of Luka, Steph, Giannis, Jokic etc. Hes overrated as fuck, his playoff games were overrated. Had some great games sure, but a lotta games had his role players out shine him. Hes not great, hes not that calibre
Saying he can’t be a number one when he’s been 2 and 3 and 5 games away in 4 seasons is wild
If they had a couple more pieces like some nice 3 and D guys or another backup big he couldn’t do it? Cmon now
not really if hes playing like that in the finals
@@user-xd7hi4vg2yhe played great in the 2020 finals. It’s not a coincidence he started playing bad once he got his ankle injury
@@younggeezerrr3156I don’t get what’s so hard to understand about it, it’s like people actively ignore that fact he was injured.
Once again Joel taking constant Ls
Joel only one who knows what he’s talking about my guy he has to constantly correct them and they get frustrated cause he shuts there shit down what you talking about?
@@gabehernandez538 joel was being emotional here 😂
Miami eliminates Knicks and now big man mad ass hell😭😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
He supposed to be happy they lost?
If you were wondering it gets heated at 14:00
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Mane 😂😂😂
Drew sound like when he start talking he got no idea what he going to say lmao
Big man hates the Heat for no reason 😭💀
Typical brain dead Knicks fan
He a Knicks fan 😂😂
Kicks 🤣 fan boy
They eliminated his team the Knicks 🤣💀
quick to bring up harden’s hamstring but never acknowledged jimmy’s ankle looking like a football
Damn this was good I wanted more
Love this Pod. They start on a question the end up asking and arguing about other questions lol still think they need a P.A.S sound or something
Miami loss because that was not a championship caliber team and jimmy going out there doing any type of heroics was not changing that
I disagree that they weren't championship caliber. I do think that whatever Jimmy Butler did in the finals, it wouldn't have made a difference in terms of who would've won the finals. I do think that Tyler Herro being hurt hurt the team a ton.
@@bme4449 I agree tyler hurt was bad but that made them not a finals team lol
@@dontmindme4197 Yeah
@@dontmindme4197I like how no one is mentioning the fact that herro didn’t play since the bucks series💀
@@ItzzShazey that’s cause they don’t think much of him unfortunately
The dancing people do for Jimmy Butler is crazy
imo, to go from a great playoff performer to a generational playoff performer, you have to finish the job. Simple as that.
I mean I gotta go with joel on this one, as a jazz fan look at stockton and malone, they were great reg season and playoffs but when they got to the finals they did not perform and so when you go back into the debates of "best players ever" guys like Tim duncan, magic johnson, I guess maybe you could say larry bird for malones case (he was more of a lead gaurd though) they are ranked higher because those guys won championships and the jazz played like trash in the finals, with those two guys.
Joel is 100% right correct..Jimmy Butler is WAYYYYYY TOOO PASSIVE to be a first option..on top of tht hes offensive skillset doesnt lean towards being a LEGIT 1st option
Yup it’s hard hearing drew argue against it with literally the worst points ever and Joel just shuts his shit down so fast
Literally the only playoff run where he didn’t play like a #1 was the run where he got injured.
Joel is hilarious 🤣 he stays asking “what are we talking about” like bro no what are YOU talking about 😂
Jimmy's still a better playoff performer than Embiid and Harden
Jimmy was hurt. I mean he had to be. How else can you explain that collapse post game 3 of the Celtics series? Personal issues too maybe? Barring the personal issues and mild injury, he’s a great.
Joel is talking shit
Jimmy missed 1 shot in the ecf KD didn’t score 1 point in round 2 OT
Jimmy’s teams have been lesser than the very team he’s faced in the passed 4 playoffs maybe except for a couple of first round series in 2020 and 2022, Jimmy played poorly in the finals, that’s all, he’s exceptional
I didn’t blame jimmy for passing it too much at first because his teammates stepped up until after game 2 of the nba finals. He should’ve been more aggressive in games 4 and 5. What he did in game 5 at the 4th quarter was enough if he played decent in the first 3 quarters.
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Tatum>Jimmy
I like everyone and Joel. But Joel needs to seriously stfu and let others speak so we can hear their entire points. He keeps cutting them off & responding, but Drew hasnt even finished his point yet 🤦♂️
Very good critical discussion tho lads. Keep it up
Drew has the worst points out of anyone on this podcast and it shows, they constantly have to correct him because the stuff he’s saying simply isn’t true, and eventually everyone agrees with what Joel is saying except drew lol skill issue 🤷
I dont think people realize He re injured his ankle in game 7 of the ECF? Like compare round 1 highlights to ECF/Finals highlights, bro has no bounce. His first step is gone and his ankle is the size of a grapefruit lol. This Jimmy butler hate is wild, when 28 other teams would LOVE to have him on the team
That’s bull crap man everybody’s plays with a injury
@@Kentrell778not every injury is the same bozo
Jimmy is literally slightly above Tatum, he's not a superstar. He's inconsistent and outside of maybe 4 series in his career he's not preformed to a superstar standard that we hold for everyone else we perceive to be a superstar.
He's been the #1 guy on two teams that made the nba finals, he's averaging 25-7-6 over his last 4 playoff runs, not many other guys have done that, embiid hasn't, kd hasn't been past the 2nd round since he left the Warriors, dame has been out the 2nd round once, tatum hasn't led a team to a title either, I don't get why jimmy is not getting credit for that
How’s he slightly above Tatum? When Tatum has accomplished more accolades such as first teams etc
Tatum out played Jimmy in this years eastern conference finals
@@Will-ts9vw Also guys like Carmelo, Harden and Westbrook never made the finals as the best players before.
@@Kentrell778cap and you know it
Drew has the best, non bias, takes out of anyone here
As a heat fan, I understand how people feel about Jimmy not receiving the proper criticism like other star players then again it always said that Jimmy is not a superstar and not a number one option even though the last four years prove it. And he's lead his teams better than some dudes that are called superstars and has had more success than them. Now people can stop overlooking Butler and the Heat.
Exactly. Imagine picking players “better” than him who didn’t do anything besides put up meaningless stats in the regular season 😂 i’m not saying jimmy’s top 5 today, but he’s definitely right there. After jokic, giannis, and curry, it gets crazier who to pick when guys like joel embiid folds during the playoffs.
you dont HAVE to win a chip to be one of the best of your generation Barkley was a generational great for HIS generation and he definitely dont have a chip
Sidenote I think Jimmy ankle is way worse then they letting be known the drop in his numbers is 2 crazy post the injury to think otherwise
I’ve been watching for almost a year and a half now and I love the cast and the show overall, but one thing I will say is that these guys need a real moderator if they hope to grow the platform further. When all the shouting starts and everybody wants to talk it makes the show borderline unwatchable. Other than that these guys are great
It’s a skill issue, Joel owns the fuck out of them and they get butt hurt
drew is shooting 4% on his takes. dude lives to be wrong
14:31 😂😂😂😂
Everyone talking about miami but no one wants talk about how shit the east is
its crazy that joel disrespected tyler hero just then. Like tyler hero doesnt change that series. Full healthy tyler hero gets it done in the playoffs lets not sit here act dumb
pure cope, nuggets would have exposed him
@@howdareyouexist tyler hero changes that series wdym. Tyler is your third option. Tyler gives 25 30 a game bam continues to play elite in the finals like he did that changes a series. jimmy was giving out bad 20 point efficiency damn there every game.
no thats why theyre trying to trade him already for another piece lmao
@@user-xd7hi4vg2yAs a Heat fan, I can honestly say he would still get targeted on defense and give a lot of those points back to Denver
You could tell you haven’t watched many nuggets games, shit ain’t sweet
Wait wait wait… when jimmy had a bad finals he got roasted cause it was his most recent series but with ayton we go off his entire history….. even though butlers playoff history is better then aytons entire career… and ayton didn’t show up in the finals either so that means Joel actually thinks butler is a superstar cause he just contradicted himself by having ayton top 7 and butler not even a superstar 😂
Nice shirt Drew rePResentando🇵🇷
The difference is you guys have zero expectations for jimmy so it lets you cut him slack for playing like shit. If the heat would of won y’all would be ripping jokic a new one rn. THATS THE DIFFERENCE! we wouldn’t be saying he’s the best playoff performer smh
Nah. Same reason why we should not slander lebron against the kd-warriors. Can’t slander a player who you DID NOT CHOOSE TO WIN OR EVEN GAVE A CHANCE. Of course jokic would get ripped if he lost because everybody picked them. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE.
Joel more-rants
Drew be whining too much.
can’t blame him, sometimes joel be yapping😭
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Lock him
First podcast I listened to and seems like you guys know your stuff but the arguing and debating seems a bit childish. Nothing wrong with debating but the way it’s done here isn’t entertaining
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@@howdareyouexistLmao critics put out the hit…
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