I just stuffed 2 4090s using risers and put them above the chassis then used an external psu and jumpered it. Turn the gpus on first then the server. I have been tryin to get a pcie fabric to play with tho
1.: Be sure that you dont run the lowest power PSUs with your Server (I think that would be the 460 Watt devices) get a pair of the beefier stuff from a refurbisher (it can take up to 10xx Watt PSUs). 2.: Look out for a 10 Pin to 6+8 Pin adapter cable - there are many China sellers offering these Frankenstein Adapters - be sure to get a cable that uses the onboard 10 Pin Port for the HDD Backpanel. You'd lose the capability for a scound hdd bay tho.
Hi DERRTZ, from what I can find, the RTX 2060 uses up to 160W which I dont think your server can provide even with the additional power cable. I am not entirely sure though so maybe someone here could chime in.
We have this server from the server we have installed gtx 1050ti but gives error in the drive. windows 10 64 bit 1909 can't get the image installed. What could be the reason?
@@chalupin3642 We couldn't connect and we decided to use it with onboard remote access. With remote access, we got the highest resolution required with the remote connection of Microsoft. Unfortunately, we could not use the Gtx, the user does not show any details bios, windows do not share any settings or details.
So you havent been able to install Windows 10 onto the server? have you made sure that your logical volumes are partitioned correctly to allow the Windows 10 install to install to the volumes? That would be first done by booting into Hp Smartstart CD ISO on a usb. Let me know if I can help :)
Good morning. I have installed a gtx1050ti but windows server 2016 crash bsod 3b system services exception (after installing latest nvidia driver). How can you resolve this? Sorry for my English
@@chalupin3642 I solved. It was simply a gtx 1050 fake card and obviously the 1050 driver does not work on a gpu that is not the 1050. In the end I took a GTX 1050Ti mini MSI (Gp107) and it runs which is a marvel with windows server 2019 and the geforce now drivers. I took it for plex in HW so as to leave cpu for other services that I use.
@@theghast98 Please I have a question. Is it possible to install Windows 2019 server or 2016 on GL380 g7 with GTX 1050? This will be great news for me. Right now I am running Windows Server 2008 and monitor resolution is very poor. I only get 640X480. It sucks. Be nice if I can get a new GPU and upgrade to Windows 2019.
@@nigerian-nightmare I don't know, Gl380 can't find anything. If you were wrong to write and you mean DL380 g7 then Windows server 2019 can be put but for the GPU question you have to check that you have physical space inside the case to put it (as seen in the video). Another thing, check the driver of your gpu if it is installed (because without it, Windows blocks you at 640x480 with the wording base video card). Open device manager and on video cards you check what it says. Normally the DL380 have an ATI (as in the video). If in doubt, open the HPE site on the driver section for your specific server model and select the latest version of the driver for the gpu for Windows at x64 (or x86 if you are using x86). It doesn't matter if you don't find the driver for Windows server 2019 it's ok if it's also the driver for Windows 2016 or 2012. Many drivers have to be installed manually, so you have to extract the contents of the driver you just downloaded with 7zip (or an archive manager capable of opening the .exe archives / self-extracting) and from device management on the basic video card make properties with the right button and install the driver manually saying to search among your devices and then saying that you have the path of the driver (put the path of the extracted folder). I'm sorry for my english.
JoJanDiezel Hey Jo, The server can be extremely when the cpu is fully utilised there are some ways to get the idle noise to be bearable but cpu intensive work will drive you mad if you share a room with the server. Thank you for the comment, please feel free to ask any other questions may have
hey dude, my HP Proliant DL380 G6 hangs on the HP Proliant logo when I put a graphic card, i have to power off and unplug then replug and power on to make it boot up, what seems to be the problem? hope you can help. thank you
I had this same issue I think! I believe the solution that worked for me was to update the bios for the system. It was a bit of an involved process so I would check what biod version your running first and if its up to date. Feel free to message me if you get stuck with the update. I think getting the support downloads for HP servers requires registering with a serial number etc. Anyway sorry it took me ages to reply. Hope its my response is relevant or you already fixed the issue :) Bios version: P62 (03/30/2010) in this video
Going out of my mind trying to get this to work in my DL385 G6, tried Palit 750 (black screen and freeze when installing Nvidia drivers), 1050 (NMI hardware failure on boot), 1030 (NMI hardware failure on boot), sourced a X16 riser card, changed the power regulator in bios to 'static high performance', tried different IRQ's...nothing. Can I ask what version of Bios you are using? Is there something I might be missing?
Hi Tense FX, sorry I took so long getting back to you. This server gave me a million headaches and installing the GPU in the video was amazingly easy compared to initially setting it up. What OS are you using if I may ask? Does it boot into the OS before you get the NMI warnings? From rewatching the video I believe I was using Bios version: P62 (03/30/2010)
one of the hard disk on my DL380 is dead. is it possible to use 1 TB hdd with is server? also i am not able to boot from CD of USB drive. do I need any bios setup changed for that? Please guide.
Hi Ash, sorry for the late reply. Yes if you cannot see your usb when booting then most likely issue is a bios setting for the USB controller. Try diffrent USB ports too, I think with my system it would only see the boot USB when plugged into the front of the machine. dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm ^ really good article on good hardrives and how noisey they are etc.
hello I would like to know if when you connect the graphics card to the PCI-E port fans turn fully? I have the display and the drivers of the map are up to date. cordially
Hey, sorry for the late reply. The server fans often go crazy loud when adding certain hard drives and graphics cards. I will link you to a post which covers which hard drives are responsible. dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm The only fix for the gpu making your server fans run at full speed is to update your server bios, there was a Reddit page where people posted the bios updates and I will try and find it for you now. Please let me know if that helps at all :)
ok so I have the card all setup ready to go, (same server) but it wont recognise the new card. The riser light is on, fans spinning (gtx1060 ~ 120w) bios and all FW is up to date. card has a been tested on multi-PCs what the problem?
I havent had the chance to test a card with the additional power cable. I do wonder if there is a setting in the Bios or Smartstart CD that specifies to the additional power cable that it is in a GPU setup. Im only speculating though as I dont have my server at hand to check. Soon as I do il have a look.
The thing where the riser card connects to the motherboard went in flames... And when I turn it on it continues burning even when the riser card isn't plugged in
agreed ^ and Im sorry to hear that, what GPU was it? The server will accept 1tb drives, this site is excellent source for choosing a good drive for this server : dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm
There are 2 USB2 ports on the front and another 2 at the back. That gfx card uses up to 220W of power from what I found online so I dont think it would work. its also totally overkill for a server this old in my opinion. Good luck!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 I don't think that power is an issue, there is still a 10 pin connector that you can use, but probably you will have bottleneck problems with the cpus.
Its been a while but im sure I set everything to High performance (weirdly enough runs quieter). Sorry cant provide anything helpful there, I dont have the server with me here anymore :/
R9 380 will not work, those cards require 6/8 pin power wire connected which server power supplies lack, you either have to use a video card that doesnt require external power like the card shown in this video or just stick with the crappy onboard vga.
Hola, quiero conseguir ese servidor para renderizar y realizar fotogrametria, consulta, le puedo agregar una placa nvidia quadro? Le puedo instalar windows 10 o solo windows server y cual? Perdon no se nada de servidores estoy comenzando a ver como trabaja, desde ya muchas gracias. Hello, I want to get that server to render and perform photogrammetry, query, can I add an nvidia quadro board? Can I install windows 10 or only windows server and which one? Sorry I do not know anything about servers I am starting to see how it works, thank you very much.
Hola Eduardo, Thanks for watching my video. You can install windows 10 no problem. You will need to first create a bootable usb with the HP smartStart CD and boot it on the server to format and set up your hard drives / SSDs. then after setting up those logical volumes you can create a bootable windows 10 USB and boot the server and install to the volumes. You can use a quadro card no problem as long as it uses less then 75 watts. If the card uses up to 150 watts of power then you can use a additional power cable which I can link for you if needed. Which quadro card do you intend to use?
@@eduardomartinmiguel3089 The K4000 should use up to 80W from what I can see. You would be able to run the card if you used an additional power cable, you could find it by searching for "10pin to 8+8pin Power Adapter Cable for HP DL380 G6 and GPU 50cm"
@@theserverroomtalks8286 This is actually exactly what I am planning on doing, I'm just looking at getting an Nvidia Quadro K4000 though, where do I get this special cable, I've seen some that look like what I need, but I am not sure.
@@christopherbartleson8918 Hey Chris your K4000 uses only 80W of power and would work in your dl360 g7 just fine :) you would just need to google "dl360 g7gpu power cable" heres a link to one that would take about a week to get to the UK :) www.ebay.co.uk/itm/for-HP-ProLiant-DL580-G7-and-GPU-50cm-10pin-to-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable/183535315122?hash=item2abb8ea8b2:g:UWEAAOSwYYpb6~Ao:rk:2:pf:0 Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you might have :)
Hey there :) your card should fit and run properly with the additional power cable the riser card comes with, the only thing that might be an issue is that your gpu under max load uses 165w of power while the system can provide a max of 150w. A solution to that could be underpowering your gpu to 90% using MSI afterburner or whatever overclock utility your comfortable with. Please feel free to ask any other questions and I hope I helped you :D
Hi Jacob, I do not believe so. As you mentioned The only sata inputs are on whatever raid card you use in your server. Sorry for the late reply I have had exams :)
This video gives me hope i can install a 2070 in a dl380 g8. I think i can get it to fit just fine, its just the adiitional power cables. I know i need a 10 pin to a 6 pin and 8 pin.
@@chalupin3642 i had to cut some of the riser material off from the top. I got a 5700XT instead, but im sure its the same. Get the adapter cable gor it and your gtg. My problens werent there but rather setting up ESXi. Incouldnt get autostart to load and the peripherals were very inconsistent.
As far as I can tell, the max amount of ram you can run in that server is 64Gb. support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=emr_na-c00736190 ^ The "Upgrading Memory and Memory Interleaving" section is really important for the combination of DIMMs you should use. There is a really good chart below that too showing 8x8Gb DIMMs. Good luck!
Hey Bytnizer, thanks for commenting :) you should be able to use any pcie riser card designed for the dl380 g6 or g7 and it will work in your g7. The riser card I am using in my server has the part number 451278-001 so you can search for one of those or alternatively there a model with only a single x16 connector on it but it will not make a difference. The gtx 1070 requires an additional power cable which often comes with the riser card however it's worth asking the seller if it actually will come with it. If you do get the riser and no cable with it you can buy the cable by using the search term "dl380 g7 gpu power 10pin to 6/8pin cable" Anyway let me know if I can help you or if I explained something badly. Good luck! :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 thanks for the answer. I'm going to order the riser tommorow :). One question though, is the 10 pin slot the sas power connector?
Hey, sorry took me ages to reply :/ It is the 10 pin slot that would be used to power the additional 8 sas/sata drive bay if you use that. Please feel free to ask any more questions! :)
Hey brett, sorry for taking so long to reply. Im afraid fans running faster is a common occurrence when using hard drives/SSDs and some GPUs on HP servers. I would recommend trying different settings in bios regarding performance and energy saving. my DL380 g6 actually runs quieter after I set everything to maximum performance which doesn't make sense normally. Lastly you could try to update your servers BIOS and raid card firmware and/or testing the system with the second powersupply removed which is what I have done on my server. Thanks for watching my video Brett and really hope you manage to silence that loud machine of yours! :) please let me know if any of these suggestions help.
Probably bad, youd need a higher Ghz CPU, since these are designed to be clocked low and have lots of cores, where gaming needs high clockspeed instead of core count. Also it probably has a hard drive, id be smart to upgrade to a SSD.
@@schleybailey it works well as long as you have good gpu and power supplied and you wont get full bandwidth which those companies exaggerate having full bandwidth, though I have a dual CPU and need more ram but its good enough for me in gaming, video editing to see what the performance is like in general and overall can expand quite a bit turn it into a network attached storage, hosting minecraft servers, game on it and also still have extra room to expand, the sound it rarely revs up as it is in my room but its also underneath my bed as I dont have much space to put it anywhere but its fine and I haven't been on it for a while so I dont know what else has changed or updated and I will need to clean it out, it can work as main system for you but once your rig is better then it works well in other things, you just have to have ideas in what your going to use it for.
Hey nice video you helped me, but i get more question, how you can put a 1050 or 1050 ti that consume max 75 watt when the max watt for pcie is 25w ? you arealdy response that fit without problem and even about the watt, but how did you calculated that maximum 25W for 75 w? eache pcie slot has 25 watt so when you add just one gpu all pcie Energy they add up and they are 125watt right? because they are 5 slot.
Ah its been a while since I did this experiment with my DL380 G6. Im afriad i have forgotten a lot of what i learned. From my vague memory I would say that the riser card draws 140W of power at max load from the motherboard and that the x16 sized slot can supply at most 75W. More then that im all blank im afriad. If I find some of the material I used to come up with those ideas il be sure to reply again. Anyway thanks for watching the video! and please feel free to ask me anything else.
Hi , I have just got a hold of a HP PROLIANT dl380p Gen 8. Anyone know if a GTX 1080 ti will work? I've also got a GTX 970 which I haven't tested yet just being a bit careful with the hardware. Thanks
Hi Taj, thanks for watching my video! Your GTX 1080 ti uses 250W of power which is too much for your dl380p gen 8. Your GTX 970 however uses 145W which is perfect as your server supports graphics cards that use up to 150W of power. You will need a riser card with a x16 slot and the additional GPU power cable that should come with the riser. If you don't have the power cable, google " PN 669777 - B21 " as that is the model number. Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you may have :D
Currently there is x2 750 Watt Power Supply units in the server, if I upgrade this to +1200 watt unit would that work for installing the gtx ti? I'm essentially trying to use this as a rendering machine to work with c4d and octane render. I would like to install my spare cards into the hp G8, I have x 2 GTX 970 and one 1080ti in my main PC. The Graphics power cable I purchased is : www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pin-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable-HP-DL380-G8-and-GPU-50cm-/111996241458 10pin to 6+8pin Power Adapter Cable for HP DL380 G8 and GPU 50cm
@@tajbains7124 Hey so sorry it took me ages to reply. The issue unfortunately isn't how many or what wattage your power supply/ies can handle but rather how much power your pci lines and riser card can supply :( I believe the best you can do is have one gpu in one of the riser cards using up to a maximum of 150W of power. You could use then use a second riser for non gpu cards and in total they would need to consume at max 75W of power. with your situation I would recommend using a single GTX 970 as I don't think you would be able to power a second one because the cable it would need for power would have to replace whichever 10pin slot your using to power your hardrive enclosure. Thanks for replying and please let me know how you set it up in the end :) Ibrahim
Hey, thanks for the information. Very helpful. I've just seen on the hp support documentation for HP proliant dl380p the following info: HP graphics options: HP 150-w pci-e power cable kit 669777-b21 HP 225-w pci-e power cable kit 728539-b22. Does this mean there is an option to support a higher power consuming card? Thanks for the help.
@@tajbains7124 Hey thanks for that info sounds really interesting could you please send me a link to that document? I'm not sure if TH-cam lets you post links so if you have a chance could you email it to me? my email is ibrahim.humadi@live.com It would be really cool to be able to help others with that info! Thanks again for that exciting info :D
Hi Vino, sorry for the late reply. I believe the 1050ti uses 300W of power which may be too much. I would look for forum posts talking about the riser card for that server. If I find anything I will post it on this thread. Good Luck!
Your right unfortunatly :) even worse is the riser cards have a x8 bus width www.nts.nl/site/html/modules/pdf/Server/HP%20Proliant%20DL380G6.pdf ^The section on expansion cards details this. The person filming this video was able to edit and render it on that server using Adobe Premiere Pro which the server definitely couldnt handle before, using the built in video. It was like a lumbering tank, the CPUs are rather slow but the system never crashed as far as I can remember.
Hi Qian Ting Tan, From the QuickSpecs information I belive you can physically fit that graphics card into your server and as your GPU uses only 60W of power, it should work no problem. Please let me know how you get along with it. Thanks for watching the video :)
hey there Ibrahim, i'm looking at setting up an old server (HP ML350), but I have no idea if I can get a relatively modern GPU on it. Are there specific limitations that I should look for? Is there a riser card that I need to go for? I really dont know much about PCs in general, so a bit of a dummy explanation would help, thanks!
Hi Nirab, Do you know what gen ML350 it is? There might be documentation on expansion cards which should specify how much power it can provide to a GPU. Let me know the generation and Il have a look :)
@@nirabsarma8981 Hey sorry for late reply, seems like it has a full PCIe2 x16 expansion slot so you should be able to install a GPU. There is no additional power cables for that system that I have found though so you would need to use a GPU with 75W of power consumption or lower. The GTX 1050 I used in the video would work fine. I watched this nice mans tutorial ( th-cam.com/video/bCuYlRlXUyY/w-d-xo.html ) before responding so it might help. The description in particular is good :)
Great video. Is the GTX 1050 from the all brands works properly? are the all same in terms of power consumption? It seems that your GTX 1050 card is free from power socket? Would you please tell me what is exactly your used card? Many thanks in advance.
Dariush abbasinezhad mood Hey Dariush, thanks for watching my video! Yes all GTX 1050s and 1050TIs use 75W of power max so you can get any brand you want and it will work, I can’t remember which brand I got mine from but I have since replaced yet with a Palit GTX 1050 which is a bit smaller :) Please feel free to ask any other questions you have.
Great video! Will this work on my HP Proliant DL380 G7? If so, what GPU would you recommend? I'm looking to run VMs but I also want to use it for gaming. I plan on using the HDMI on my mounted TV as an output :)
Hey Alan thank you for watching my video :) This will definitely work on the g7 I would highly recommend the GTX1070 as it uses 150W which you can provide with the additional 10 pin to 8pin power cable (usually comes with the gpu riser card). It has really good performance too :D
The Server Room Talks thanks for the reply Ibrahim. Will I have any trouble installing it? I know your video said some cards might be too big and adjustments would need to be made. Is it as simple as just connecting the 1070 to the server (unless any extra cables needed)?
Hey! I don't think you will have any issues getting the card into the server, should be the same process I did in the video and then plugging in the additional power cable. If your server didn't come with the cable you can find it on eBay ( I'm in the UK // m.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pin-to-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable-for-HP-DL380-G6-and-GPU-50cm/112252881552?hash=item1a22cb0a90:g:uvQAAOSwnHZYZd1p ) Please feel free to ask anything else or ask me to expand on my answer :) Thanks again for subscribing and commenting!
Hello! Excellent video, I have a Proliant Hp Dl380 G4 server. Currently it does not have any graphic board, but I would like to mount one, I have a Riser board with an expansion of two PCI-x. First of all, would this graphic board support me for gaming? Best regards
Hi Victor, sorry for replying so late. I mean it can be used for gaming, not very fast, I really woulent suggest it. its beyond noisy and it warms up the room its in very quickly. Id reccomend almost any half decent laptop/desktop to playing on my server :)
Hi TSRT, I have a HP DL 380 G7 which came with the basic 451278-001 PCI-E Riser. I also have a spare GTX 750 and a GTX 650 TI. Could I use this cable in a 380 G7 to power one those cards, without the need for an additional riser? www.ebay.co.uk/itm/for-HP-ProLiant-DL580-G7-and-GPU-50cm-10pin-to-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable/183535315122?hash=item2abb8ea8b2:g:UWEAAOSwYYpb6~Ao:rk:2:pf:0 Also as you mentioned in the video, if you use the primary PCI-E slot on the motherboard your GPU wouldn't fit because of the power supply being in the way. Are there any risers for this server that face the opposite way, to remedy this and allow two GPUs at the same time? Thanks
Ed The Multiboxer Hi Ed, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I haven’t been receiving notifications for some reason :/ You can power your 750 with just the riser card you have and will not need the additional power cable to do that. Your 650 ti uses 110W of power and would require the riser and power cable. I get the impression that you want to use both cards at once and as far as I know this is not possible in a traditional sense though maybe as a mining rig this could some how be done. I am not aware of a riser card with the 16x slot on the other side unfortunately. Thanks for watching the video and hope my reply helps you!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 Thanks for the reply. I got my model numbers mixed up, its a GTX 560 not a GTX 750. I just want to use either of those cards, doesn't matter which. I tried the cable but the system doesn't seem to want to post.
Ed The Multiboxer That’s strange, first thing I would suggest would be to try both the Gpu outputs connected to your monitor and if that is not showing anything then trying the servers vga output to your monitor and if that posts to your monitor have a look in bios for the preferred output Have you tried that already? I’m really curious why it wouldn’t work so please keep me updated :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 I can't get the onboard GPU output to work because my monitor doesn't have the right connector. I've tried using an adapter but that doesn't work either. I can use a low power GPU just fine, but not one using that cable. I've got a feeling maybe it's a power issue. My server came with some crappy CPUs and 2x 460W PSUs. I swapped them out for 2x x5680 CPUs and bought a pair of 750W PSUs because the HP documentation says that 750W is the minimum. However, one of those 750W PSUs doesn't work and won't boot if it's installed. So I've been running the server on a single 750W PSU which works fine, even with 2x x5680 CPUs. Trying to plug in any kind of GPU which requires that extra power stops the system from booting. I can't get ILOv3 to work properly yet, so can't use that for diagnostics either.
Ed The Multiboxer Yeah those processors use 135w each so its hard for me to replicate as I use a pair of X5670s which use 95w. Here’s an idea, have you tried the same setup but with the secondary processor taken out? That could help us understand if it’s a lack of power that’s not allowing your system to boot. Oh and as far as I know having a second power supply doesn’t mean you have 1500W in total of power to work with, just that if one PSU stops working normally the other will take over. Anyway good luck! and please keep me posted :)
what if the gpu needs 6 pin power out?
I just stuffed 2 4090s using risers and put them above the chassis then used an external psu and jumpered it. Turn the gpus on first then the server. I have been tryin to get a pcie fabric to play with tho
@@98f5 thanks
What graphics card can we use for a DL380P G8 server? we currently have a video problem with VGA adapters
That server is radically different to this one and I have worked on one so I wouldnt know, sorry
Disable VGA On-Board to use the PCI for Video. (If bios supports it)
I have a question, I have a server dl380 g7 but i want to connect a rtx 2060, how you connect the eight pin support?
1.: Be sure that you dont run the lowest power PSUs with your Server (I think that would be the 460 Watt devices) get a pair of the beefier stuff from a refurbisher (it can take up to 10xx Watt PSUs).
2.: Look out for a 10 Pin to 6+8 Pin adapter cable - there are many China sellers offering these Frankenstein Adapters - be sure to get a cable that uses the onboard 10 Pin Port for the HDD Backpanel. You'd lose the capability for a scound hdd bay tho.
Hi DERRTZ, from what I can find, the RTX 2060 uses up to 160W which I dont think your server can provide even with the additional power cable. I am not entirely sure though so maybe someone here could chime in.
We have this server from the server we have installed gtx 1050ti but gives error in the drive. windows 10 64 bit 1909 can't get the image installed. What could be the reason?
How did you connect the gtx card?
@@chalupin3642 We couldn't connect and we decided to use it with onboard remote access. With remote access, we got the highest resolution required with the remote connection of Microsoft. Unfortunately, we could not use the Gtx, the user does not show any details bios, windows do not share any settings or details.
So you havent been able to install Windows 10 onto the server? have you made sure that your logical volumes are partitioned correctly to allow the Windows 10 install to install to the volumes? That would be first done by booting into Hp Smartstart CD ISO on a usb. Let me know if I can help :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 We solved the problem, thanks razer card also had a problem. :)
Good morning. I have installed a gtx1050ti but windows server 2016 crash bsod 3b system services exception (after installing latest nvidia driver). How can you resolve this? Sorry for my English
don't install windows server try with windows 10 pro
@@chalupin3642 I solved. It was simply a gtx 1050 fake card and obviously the 1050 driver does not work on a gpu that is not the 1050. In the end I took a GTX 1050Ti mini MSI (Gp107) and it runs which is a marvel with windows server 2019 and the geforce now drivers.
I took it for plex in HW so as to leave cpu for other services that I use.
@@theghast98 Please I have a question. Is it possible to install Windows 2019 server or 2016 on GL380 g7 with GTX 1050? This will be great news for me. Right now I am running Windows Server 2008 and monitor resolution is very poor. I only get 640X480. It sucks. Be nice if I can get a new GPU and upgrade to Windows 2019.
@@nigerian-nightmare I don't know, Gl380 can't find anything. If you were wrong to write and you mean DL380 g7 then Windows server 2019 can be put but for the GPU question you have to check that you have physical space inside the case to put it (as seen in the video). Another thing, check the driver of your gpu if it is installed (because without it, Windows blocks you at 640x480 with the wording base video card). Open device manager and on video cards you check what it says. Normally the DL380 have an ATI (as in the video). If in doubt, open the HPE site on the driver section for your specific server model and select the latest version of the driver for the gpu for Windows at x64 (or x86 if you are using x86). It doesn't matter if you don't find the driver for Windows server 2019 it's ok if it's also the driver for Windows 2016 or 2012. Many drivers have to be installed manually, so you have to extract the contents of the driver you just downloaded with 7zip (or an archive manager capable of opening the .exe archives / self-extracting) and from device management on the basic video card make properties with the right button and install the driver manually saying to search among your devices and then saying that you have the path of the driver (put the path of the extracted folder). I'm sorry for my english.
@@nigerian-nightmare Hi John, The card im using in the video is a GTX 1050 so I am almost sure it would work without any problems.
Are this server noisy at long run 100% CPU usage? Thank you.
JoJanDiezel Hey Jo, The server can be extremely when the cpu is fully utilised there are some ways to get the idle noise to be bearable but cpu intensive work will drive you mad if you share a room with the server.
Thank you for the comment, please feel free to ask any other questions may have
hey dude, my HP Proliant DL380 G6 hangs on the HP Proliant logo when I put a graphic card, i have to power off and unplug then replug and power on to make it boot up, what seems to be the problem? hope you can help. thank you
I had this same issue I think! I believe the solution that worked for me was to update the bios for the system. It was a bit of an involved process so I would check what biod version your running first and if its up to date. Feel free to message me if you get stuck with the update. I think getting the support downloads for HP servers requires registering with a serial number etc. Anyway sorry it took me ages to reply. Hope its my response is relevant or you already fixed the issue :)
Bios version: P62 (03/30/2010) in this video
Going out of my mind trying to get this to work in my DL385 G6, tried Palit 750 (black screen and freeze when installing Nvidia drivers), 1050 (NMI hardware failure on boot), 1030 (NMI hardware failure on boot), sourced a X16 riser card, changed the power regulator in bios to 'static high performance', tried different IRQ's...nothing.
Can I ask what version of Bios you are using? Is there something I might be missing?
Hi Tense FX, sorry I took so long getting back to you. This server gave me a million headaches and installing the GPU in the video was amazingly easy compared to initially setting it up. What OS are you using if I may ask? Does it boot into the OS before you get the NMI warnings?
From rewatching the video I believe I was using Bios version: P62 (03/30/2010)
one of the hard disk on my DL380 is dead. is it possible to use 1 TB hdd with is server? also i am not able to boot from CD of USB drive. do I need any bios setup changed for that?
Please guide.
Yep, that is possible, also, does your boot menu not work? have you looked at priorities/startup order?
Hi Ash, sorry for the late reply. Yes if you cannot see your usb when booting then most likely issue is a bios setting for the USB controller. Try diffrent USB ports too, I think with my system it would only see the boot USB when plugged into the front of the machine.
dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm
^ really good article on good hardrives and how noisey they are etc.
hello I would like to know if when you connect the graphics card to the PCI-E port fans turn fully? I have the display and the drivers of the map are up to date.
cordially
Hey Emmanuel. Thanks for commenting, he fans on my GTX 1050 turn as designed with no problem. What graphics card have you installed out of curiosity?
it is not the fan of the graphics card that runs at full speed, but the fans of the server dl380 g6.
ps: it's a 710 gforce gt.
cordially
Hey, sorry for the late reply. The server fans often go crazy loud when adding certain hard drives and graphics cards. I will link you to a post which covers which hard drives are responsible.
dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm
The only fix for the gpu making your server fans run at full speed is to update your server bios, there was a Reddit page where people posted the bios updates and I will try and find it for you now.
Please let me know if that helps at all :)
ok so I have the card all setup ready to go, (same server) but it wont recognise the new card. The riser light is on, fans spinning (gtx1060 ~ 120w) bios and all FW is up to date. card has a been tested on multi-PCs what the problem?
@@AyesC9000 tried... Added ext PSU to card and still no. Best card I found to work is a GTX 1050Ti which is good, but only 75w ....
I havent had the chance to test a card with the additional power cable. I do wonder if there is a setting in the Bios or Smartstart CD that specifies to the additional power cable that it is in a GPU setup. Im only speculating though as I dont have my server at hand to check. Soon as I do il have a look.
The thing where the riser card connects to the motherboard went in flames...
And when I turn it on it continues burning even when the riser card isn't plugged in
agreed ^ and Im sorry to hear that, what GPU was it? The server will accept 1tb drives, this site is excellent source for choosing a good drive for this server : dascomputerconsultants.com/HPCompaqServerDrives.htm
i have a HP Proliant DL370 G6, it would work?
Greetings
Does it have usb ports?
I wanna get one and put a rtx3070 in it ,is that a good idea?
There are 2 USB2 ports on the front and another 2 at the back. That gfx card uses up to 220W of power from what I found online so I dont think it would work. its also totally overkill for a server this old in my opinion. Good luck!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 I don't think that power is an issue, there is still a 10 pin connector that you can use, but probably you will have bottleneck problems with the cpus.
lmao who the fuck can afford a 3070?
RTX3070 for mining?
hi what did you change in bios setup? I have a dl580 g7 and the graphics card does not work. I put r9 380 in there. thank you for the reply
Its been a while but im sure I set everything to High performance (weirdly enough runs quieter). Sorry cant provide anything helpful there, I dont have the server with me here anymore :/
R9 380 will not work, those cards require 6/8 pin power wire connected which server power supplies lack, you either have to use a video card that doesnt require external power like the card shown in this video or just stick with the crappy onboard vga.
@@tolgahk84 it does work, there's a 10pin power connector in these you just buy a 10pin- 8/6pin adapter
Hola, quiero conseguir ese servidor para renderizar y realizar fotogrametria, consulta, le puedo agregar una placa nvidia quadro? Le puedo instalar windows 10 o solo windows server y cual? Perdon no se nada de servidores estoy comenzando a ver como trabaja, desde ya muchas gracias.
Hello, I want to get that server to render and perform photogrammetry, query, can I add an nvidia quadro board? Can I install windows 10 or only windows server and which one? Sorry I do not know anything about servers I am starting to see how it works, thank you very much.
Hola Eduardo, Thanks for watching my video. You can install windows 10 no problem. You will need to first create a bootable usb with the HP smartStart CD and boot it on the server to format and set up your hard drives / SSDs. then after setting up those logical volumes you can create a bootable windows 10 USB and boot the server and install to the volumes. You can use a quadro card no problem as long as it uses less then 75 watts. If the card uses up to 150 watts of power then you can use a additional power cable which I can link for you if needed. Which quadro card do you intend to use?
Pensaba usar una nvidia quadro k4000 ddr5 de 3 gb
I was thinking of using a nvidia quadro k4000 ddr5 3gb
@@eduardomartinmiguel3089 The K4000 should use up to 80W from what I can see. You would be able to run the card if you used an additional power cable, you could find it by searching for "10pin to 8+8pin Power Adapter Cable for HP DL380 G6 and GPU 50cm"
@@theserverroomtalks8286
ok, thank you very much, I will be attentive to your channel for more information, very kind.
There is a pic power connector in the chassis on the motherboard, you need a special cable thought
Nevermind that's only on G7 dl360
Hey Dan, thanks for commenting. I will keep that in mind in case anyone asks about adding a GPU into a dl360 G7. Thanks again!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 This is actually exactly what I am planning on doing, I'm just looking at getting an Nvidia Quadro K4000 though, where do I get this special cable, I've seen some that look like what I need, but I am not sure.
@@christopherbartleson8918 Hey Chris your K4000 uses only 80W of power and would work in your dl360 g7 just fine :) you would just need to google "dl360 g7gpu power cable"
heres a link to one that would take about a week to get to the UK :)
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/for-HP-ProLiant-DL580-G7-and-GPU-50cm-10pin-to-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable/183535315122?hash=item2abb8ea8b2:g:UWEAAOSwYYpb6~Ao:rk:2:pf:0
Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you might have :)
Hey bro I have a HP PROLIANT dl380p Gen 8 and I have NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 , can I put it in my server? Please reply to me!
And I have a PCIe Riser with 12v power, please help me bro
Hey there :) your card should fit and run properly with the additional power cable the riser card comes with, the only thing that might be an issue is that your gpu under max load uses 165w of power while the system can provide a max of 150w. A solution to that could be underpowering your gpu to 90% using MSI afterburner or whatever overclock utility your comfortable with. Please feel free to ask any other questions and I hope I helped you :D
My GPU is EVGA and I have a EVGA Precision X program if I underpowered it to 90% that will be fine?
And if I did what you said to me can I play games at ULTRA?
I forgot to tell that I aslo have Dell PowerEdge R820 what about it?
Hi mate, was wondering do these have any on board sata, disregarding the raid controller.
Hi Jacob, I do not believe so. As you mentioned The only sata inputs are on whatever raid card you use in your server. Sorry for the late reply I have had exams :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 cheers mate
This video gives me hope i can install a 2070 in a dl380 g8. I think i can get it to fit just fine, its just the adiitional power cables. I know i need a 10 pin to a 6 pin and 8 pin.
how do you do it? i want to do it too
@@chalupin3642 i had to cut some of the riser material off from the top. I got a 5700XT instead, but im sure its the same. Get the adapter cable gor it and your gtg.
My problens werent there but rather setting up ESXi. Incouldnt get autostart to load and the peripherals were very inconsistent.
@@AlpineBishop but how did you connect the eight pin?
@@chalupin3642 i bought the adapter for the riser. 6+2 to 10 pin.
Get the adapter cable for it and your gtg.
@@AlpineBishop what about the power supply? Is it from the server or from external power?
Hey I have a dl360 g5 and I have 72 gigs of ram installed but am only getting 60 recognised, any ideas?
As far as I can tell, the max amount of ram you can run in that server is 64Gb.
support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docId=emr_na-c00736190
^ The "Upgrading Memory and Memory Interleaving" section is really important for the combination of DIMMs you should use. There is a really good chart below that too showing 8x8Gb DIMMs. Good luck!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 cheers!
Hey, I have an hp dl380 g7 and I would like to fit a gtx 1070 in it. What riser do I need to use?
Hey Bytnizer, thanks for commenting :) you should be able to use any pcie riser card designed for the dl380 g6 or g7 and it will work in your g7. The riser card I am using in my server has the part number 451278-001 so you can search for one of those or alternatively there a model with only a single x16 connector on it but it will not make a difference. The gtx 1070 requires an additional power cable which often comes with the riser card however it's worth asking the seller if it actually will come with it. If you do get the riser and no cable with it you can buy the cable by using the search term "dl380 g7 gpu power 10pin to 6/8pin cable"
Anyway let me know if I can help you or if I explained something badly.
Good luck! :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 thanks for the answer. I'm going to order the riser tommorow :). One question though, is the 10 pin slot the sas power connector?
Hey, sorry took me ages to reply :/ It is the 10 pin slot that would be used to power the additional 8 sas/sata drive bay if you use that. Please feel free to ask any more questions! :)
Does it make the fans go faster? If so is their a workaround? I put a card in a dl360p gen8 and the fans went nuts!
Hey brett, sorry for taking so long to reply. Im afraid fans running faster is a common occurrence when using hard drives/SSDs and some GPUs on HP servers. I would recommend trying different settings in bios regarding performance and energy saving. my DL380 g6 actually runs quieter after I set everything to maximum performance which doesn't make sense normally. Lastly you could try to update your servers BIOS and raid card firmware and/or testing the system with the second powersupply removed which is what I have done on my server. Thanks for watching my video Brett and really hope you manage to silence that loud machine of yours! :) please let me know if any of these suggestions help.
What's the gaming performance like especially today's popular games and what figure fps are you achieving.
Probably bad, youd need a higher Ghz CPU, since these are designed to be clocked low and have lots of cores, where gaming needs high clockspeed instead of core count.
Also it probably has a hard drive, id be smart to upgrade to a SSD.
Id say its rubbish, as Fish says its single core performance is very poor. I Imagine the noise and heat makes it really impracticle to game on it too.
@@theserverroomtalks8286 too late already bought one and is one of my gaming rigs.
@@melodiclodgings8 That is legitimately cursed. How well does that work?
@@schleybailey it works well as long as you have good gpu and power supplied and you wont get full bandwidth which those companies exaggerate having full bandwidth, though I have a dual CPU and need more ram but its good enough for me in gaming, video editing to see what the performance is like in general and overall can expand quite a bit turn it into a network attached storage, hosting minecraft servers, game on it and also still have extra room to expand, the sound it rarely revs up as it is in my room but its also underneath my bed as I dont have much space to put it anywhere but its fine and I haven't been on it for a while so I dont know what else has changed or updated and I will need to clean it out, it can work as main system for you but once your rig is better then it works well in other things, you just have to have ideas in what your going to use it for.
Just got my hands on a free DL180 G6 7 Terabytes and 24GB Ram. Not sure what I'm gonna do with it yet. Maybe a NAS.
Nice, I paid a whole $90 for an Ml150 G6 with only 4GB of ram, but additional ram shouldn't be too hard to get a hold off
Hey nice video you helped me, but i get more question, how you can put a 1050 or 1050 ti that consume max 75 watt when the max watt for pcie is 25w ? you arealdy response that fit without problem and even about the watt, but how did you calculated that maximum 25W for 75 w? eache pcie slot has 25 watt so when you add just one gpu all pcie Energy they add up and they are 125watt right? because they are 5 slot.
Ah its been a while since I did this experiment with my DL380 G6. Im afriad i have forgotten a lot of what i learned. From my vague memory I would say that the riser card draws 140W of power at max load from the motherboard and that the x16 sized slot can supply at most 75W. More then that im all blank im afriad. If I find some of the material I used to come up with those ideas il be sure to reply again. Anyway thanks for watching the video! and please feel free to ask me anything else.
Hi , I have just got a hold of a HP PROLIANT dl380p Gen 8. Anyone know if a GTX 1080 ti will work? I've also got a GTX 970 which I haven't tested yet just being a bit careful with the hardware. Thanks
Hi Taj, thanks for watching my video! Your GTX 1080 ti uses 250W of power which is too much for your dl380p gen 8. Your GTX 970 however uses 145W which is perfect as your server supports graphics cards that use up to 150W of power. You will need a riser card with a x16 slot and the additional GPU power cable that should come with the riser. If you don't have the power cable, google " PN 669777 - B21 " as that is the model number. Good luck and feel free to ask any other questions you may have :D
Currently there is x2 750 Watt Power Supply units in the server, if I upgrade this to +1200 watt unit would that work for installing the gtx ti? I'm essentially trying to use this as a rendering machine to work with c4d and octane render. I would like to install my spare cards into the hp G8, I have x 2 GTX 970 and one 1080ti in my main PC.
The Graphics power cable I purchased is : www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pin-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable-HP-DL380-G8-and-GPU-50cm-/111996241458 10pin to 6+8pin Power Adapter Cable for HP DL380 G8 and GPU 50cm
@@tajbains7124 Hey so sorry it took me ages to reply. The issue unfortunately isn't how many or what wattage your power supply/ies can handle but rather how much power your pci lines and riser card can supply :( I believe the best you can do is have one gpu in one of the riser cards using up to a maximum of 150W of power. You could use then use a second riser for non gpu cards and in total they would need to consume at max 75W of power. with your situation I would recommend using a single GTX 970 as I don't think you would be able to power a second one because the cable it would need for power would have to replace whichever 10pin slot your using to power your hardrive enclosure.
Thanks for replying and please let me know how you set it up in the end :)
Ibrahim
Hey, thanks for the information. Very helpful. I've just seen on the hp support documentation for HP proliant dl380p the following info:
HP graphics options:
HP 150-w pci-e power cable kit 669777-b21
HP 225-w pci-e power cable kit 728539-b22.
Does this mean there is an option to support a higher power consuming card?
Thanks for the help.
@@tajbains7124 Hey thanks for that info sounds really interesting could you please send me a link to that document? I'm not sure if TH-cam lets you post links so if you have a chance could you email it to me? my email is ibrahim.humadi@live.com
It would be really cool to be able to help others with that info!
Thanks again for that exciting info :D
hello sir, will HP Proliant DL380 G5 support gtx 1050 ti ?
Hi Vino, sorry for the late reply. I believe the 1050ti uses 300W of power which may be too much. I would look for forum posts talking about the riser card for that server. If I find anything I will post it on this thread. Good Luck!
yes it supports I tried
How does it work performance wise ? Because the 1050 is PCie 3.0 and the Proliant is PCie 2.0
it's an x16 slot
@@IceDragon-fj4vx I know, but PCie 3.0 has a higher bandwidth than PCie 2.0.
Your right unfortunatly :) even worse is the riser cards have a x8 bus width
www.nts.nl/site/html/modules/pdf/Server/HP%20Proliant%20DL380G6.pdf
^The section on expansion cards details this. The person filming this video was able to edit and render it on that server using Adobe Premiere Pro which the server definitely couldnt handle before, using the built in video. It was like a lumbering tank, the CPUs are rather slow but the system never crashed as far as I can remember.
Great video.
Hi, I wonder if HP ProLiant DL160 gen8 able to support the graphics card like GTX750TI 2GB
Hi Qian Ting Tan, From the QuickSpecs information I belive you can physically fit that graphics card into your server and as your GPU uses only 60W of power, it should work no problem. Please let me know how you get along with it. Thanks for watching the video :)
hey there Ibrahim, i'm looking at setting up an old server (HP ML350), but I have no idea if I can get a relatively modern GPU on it. Are there specific limitations that I should look for? Is there a riser card that I need to go for? I really dont know much about PCs in general, so a bit of a dummy explanation would help, thanks!
Hi Nirab, Do you know what gen ML350 it is? There might be documentation on expansion cards which should specify how much power it can provide to a GPU. Let me know the generation and Il have a look :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 It says G6 online
@@nirabsarma8981 Hey sorry for late reply, seems like it has a full PCIe2 x16 expansion slot so you should be able to install a GPU. There is no additional power cables for that system that I have found though so you would need to use a GPU with 75W of power consumption or lower. The GTX 1050 I used in the video would work fine.
I watched this nice mans tutorial ( th-cam.com/video/bCuYlRlXUyY/w-d-xo.html ) before responding so it might help. The description in particular is good :)
can I do this with a mac book pro?
You can definitely, the rest of us mortals probably can't :)
Why can't I press like twice?
ikr its such a good video
Great video. Is the GTX 1050 from the all brands works properly? are the all same in terms of power consumption? It seems that your GTX 1050 card is free from power socket? Would you please tell me what is exactly your used card? Many thanks in advance.
Dariush abbasinezhad mood Hey Dariush, thanks for watching my video! Yes all GTX 1050s and 1050TIs use 75W of power max so you can get any brand you want and it will work, I can’t remember which brand I got mine from but I have since replaced yet with a Palit GTX 1050 which is a bit smaller :)
Please feel free to ask any other questions you have.
Great video! Will this work on my HP Proliant DL380 G7? If so, what GPU would you recommend? I'm looking to run VMs but I also want to use it for gaming. I plan on using the HDMI on my mounted TV as an output :)
Hey Alan thank you for watching my video :) This will definitely work on the g7 I would highly recommend the GTX1070 as it uses 150W which you can provide with the additional 10 pin to 8pin power cable (usually comes with the gpu riser card). It has really good performance too :D
The Server Room Talks thanks for the reply Ibrahim. Will I have any trouble installing it? I know your video said some cards might be too big and adjustments would need to be made. Is it as simple as just connecting the 1070 to the server (unless any extra cables needed)?
Hey! I don't think you will have any issues getting the card into the server, should be the same process I did in the video and then plugging in the additional power cable. If your server didn't come with the cable you can find it on eBay ( I'm in the UK // m.ebay.co.uk/itm/10pin-to-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable-for-HP-DL380-G6-and-GPU-50cm/112252881552?hash=item1a22cb0a90:g:uvQAAOSwnHZYZd1p )
Please feel free to ask anything else or ask me to expand on my answer :)
Thanks again for subscribing and commenting!
Hello! Excellent video, I have a Proliant Hp Dl380 G4 server. Currently it does not have any graphic board, but I would like to mount one, I have a Riser board with an expansion of two PCI-x. First of all, would this graphic board support me for gaming? Best regards
Hi Victor, sorry for replying so late. I mean it can be used for gaming, not very fast, I really woulent suggest it. its beyond noisy and it warms up the room its in very quickly. Id reccomend almost any half decent laptop/desktop to playing on my server :)
Thanks for info
Hello hp power edge 2650 graphic card ?
You mean Dell poweredge
With a riser card Yes
Does its processor supports windows 10 pro!!
Yes it does!
My server got jammed... Someone poured raspberry jam in the fan outlet.
pls hellp
Try sticking your **** in next :D
Love you Simooon xxOooXooxX
1050ti mini in a dl360 g5 i geuss
nice
how many watts is you psu? my 450 didn't detech the gpu --.
750W I believe
Hi TSRT,
I have a HP DL 380 G7 which came with the basic 451278-001 PCI-E Riser.
I also have a spare GTX 750 and a GTX 650 TI.
Could I use this cable in a 380 G7 to power one those cards, without the need for an additional riser?
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/for-HP-ProLiant-DL580-G7-and-GPU-50cm-10pin-to-6-8pin-Power-Adapter-Cable/183535315122?hash=item2abb8ea8b2:g:UWEAAOSwYYpb6~Ao:rk:2:pf:0
Also as you mentioned in the video, if you use the primary PCI-E slot on the motherboard your GPU wouldn't fit because of the power supply being in the way. Are there any risers for this server that face the opposite way, to remedy this and allow two GPUs at the same time?
Thanks
Ed The Multiboxer Hi Ed, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I haven’t been receiving notifications for some reason :/ You can power your 750 with just the riser card you have and will not need the additional power cable to do that. Your 650 ti uses 110W of power and would require the riser and power cable. I get the impression that you want to use both cards at once and as far as I know this is not possible in a traditional sense though maybe as a mining rig this could some how be done. I am not aware of a riser card with the 16x slot on the other side unfortunately.
Thanks for watching the video and hope my reply helps you!
@@theserverroomtalks8286 Thanks for the reply. I got my model numbers mixed up, its a GTX 560 not a GTX 750.
I just want to use either of those cards, doesn't matter which.
I tried the cable but the system doesn't seem to want to post.
Ed The Multiboxer That’s strange, first thing I would suggest would be to try both the Gpu outputs connected to your monitor and if that is not showing anything then trying the servers vga output to your monitor and if that posts to your monitor have a look in bios for the preferred output
Have you tried that already?
I’m really curious why it wouldn’t work so please keep me updated :)
@@theserverroomtalks8286 I can't get the onboard GPU output to work because my monitor doesn't have the right connector. I've tried using an adapter but that doesn't work either.
I can use a low power GPU just fine, but not one using that cable.
I've got a feeling maybe it's a power issue.
My server came with some crappy CPUs and 2x 460W PSUs. I swapped them out for 2x x5680 CPUs and bought a pair of 750W PSUs because the HP documentation says that 750W is the minimum.
However, one of those 750W PSUs doesn't work and won't boot if it's installed. So I've been running the server on a single 750W PSU which works fine, even with 2x x5680 CPUs. Trying to plug in any kind of GPU which requires that extra power stops the system from booting.
I can't get ILOv3 to work properly yet, so can't use that for diagnostics either.
Ed The Multiboxer Yeah those processors use 135w each so its hard for me to replicate as I use a pair of X5670s which use 95w. Here’s an idea, have you tried the same setup but with the secondary processor taken out? That could help us understand if it’s a lack of power that’s not allowing your system to boot. Oh and as far as I know having a second power supply doesn’t mean you have 1500W in total of power to work with, just that if one PSU stops working normally the other will take over.
Anyway good luck! and please keep me posted :)
What a bodge ! At least cut the metalwork for the bracket to fit !
I don’t want to game on my server
grow your nails bro
I did finally :) good tip though!