This is a fun little piece of Trivia, in order to make the Black Superman Suit Accurate, Zack Snyder painstakingly went threw and removed every pixel from the original cut. This grueling process took quite some time and people knew not to disturb Mr. Snyder as he crafted the black suit in visual effects. In order to make the suit black, he had to take out every instance of blue and red in the suit. People on the production team would warn other crew members not to disturb Mr. Snyder when he was going about what he liked to call the “Blue Harvest” which coincidentally just so happened to be the Studio name used to hide the production of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
That sounds like it's portraying it in a negative view 🤔. I can't comment on whether this Cut makes the movie better (already watched the theatrical version first. already know all the story, and biased), but I can comment that, for a 4-hour movie, it was not boring but quite engaging (as in, you're stuck on the screen). That means the pacing was good, flow was good.
I would like to see a proper version of the cut that would have been released in theatres with a lot of overly long scenes cut down and alot of the slo-mo cut out I like the slow-mo in some scenes but there’s so many instances in the film where it’s just not needed and the choir track that plays whenever Wonder Woman’s around was quite annoying too
@@andrewyp6724For the most part it’s great and while I understand the way this is, some of the slow-mo is a bit unnecessary and some of the scenes are overly long, they work for the most part but some of it could have been cut down
That Martha and Lois scene was so heartfelt but immediately invalidated when it turned out it was Martian Manhunter all along. Like, hell yeah, shock value wins over substance. That's what Zack Snyder is to me.
Holy shit, I fucking hate Snyder even more now. What a shill, did ya see he’s saying that rebel moons director cut is the real movie, wtf type of hack is he
@@sergeantsainsburys9181long and thin, I prefer needle dick as a proper metaphor. There’s no meat to this movie, except the hot dog… oh my god the fucking hot dog, Snyder may be the worst director to ever directed
It's crazy to me that this movie contains an action scene that's all about how fast Wonder Woman is. Thats like if the Avengers had an entire scene dedicated to how good Captain America is at archery.
That scene was awesome! Despite not knowing or giving AF who those bad guys are! WW is a demi-god she gets a pass! Steve Roger is just a roided super soldier!
Fun Fact: Jerry, the police officer who Lois gives coffee to at the Superman memorial, is played by MarcMclure, who also played Jimmy Olsen in Superman (1978).
And everyone on set laughed at his old Jimmy Olsen Vest, with the classic "Hardee Har Har" which led to his nickname of "The boy in the Blue Har Har Vest", which was often shortened to Blue Har Vest.
Better Jimmy Olsen than the one we got in the Snyder verse (You know people on social media actively defends that Jimmy Olsen literally to the death even if his screen time was less than the jar of piss?)
My favourite scene in this movie is when the Justice League fights Steppenwolf in a big grey concrete tube with a bridge in the middle. Its so great they did it twice.
@@eastvandb it just shows the media illiteracy that a lot people have. Focused on the cup and slow motion instead of the slow-mo use to have time to notice the ring on her finger.
@@Nick_Valentine2702ya, and it makes for shitty storytelling. People in comics get revived( when done well) years apart from their death. This movie sucks, there’s no enjoyment from it other than laughing at how terrible it is in most parts, and how depressing it is there is actually cool visuals in there
There's such an infuriatingly easy fix for the black suit thing: just swap when it's used with his regular suit. Have them put him in the black suit for his funeral because wearing black at funerals is a thing people do, and then he resurrects in the black suit, which helps him recharge, and then after that fight he swaps back to a blue suit.
Or just have the fortress of solitude scene not have his red/blue suit which gives him a reason to where the black. But end the film with the shirt rip with the red and blue
FUN FACT: I was Lead Designer/Design Director for the Video Game that was to supplement George Miller’s JLA. I read the movie script and had my passport ready to fly out to Australia and meet face-to-face with the man himself. Then… George dropped out. My heart sunk.
Warner put ou so many $200mi bombs in the past few years. Not one of them could have been George Miller's JLA? Makes me sad that so many less intriguing project were seen through.
@@MrEnKaye one of our animators managed to put together a video of the work in progress. There is some missing or incorrect information in it but if I can find a video, I’ll be happi to share it.
It will never not bother me that this is a 4 HOUR Justice League movie and not once does Superman share an interaction with any of the JL members apart from Batman.
I feel like Nando v Movies' character similarity/conflict matrix should be applies to all movies from now. I don't know if anything similar is a thing in the screenwriting process, but good movies where characters are in the same place tend to automatically follow it.
The funniest part to me about it being “Snyders true vision” is that there is absolutely 0 fucking chance that his vision involved a 4:3 aspect ratio before the whole Snyder cut shit
It's "darkness" was laughable from the start. Your movie can't try so hard all the way through, and neither can your franchise as a whole. It becomes comical.
While not quite as iconic in comic book history, I think J.K. Simmons as the voice of Omniman also deserves a mention. It's hard to imagine anyone else filling that role better than he has.
I feel like people just don't think about voice actors as much since they don't literally see them on screen. But you are so right. I can't even imagine omniman with a different voice
15:55 "He's a bad Joker." (Everyone who has not seen the epic rant about Jared Leto in the Caravan of Garbage episode on Suicide Squad, please do so now.)
I just truly could not care less about this movie. Every Snyder DC movie is a test of will to get through and I just do not see this being any different. I’m glad it’s finally over.
I couldn't stop laughing at just the insane amount of times they played that same Wonder Woman theme over and over again everytime she did anything interesting
This movie made me laugh way more times than even the original did. The Winder Woman chorus, the heavy metal chords playing while they walk up stairs, even Superman's shockwave scream at the beginning. It reminded me of this kinda obscure moment from The Simpsons. The episode where Bart falls for Lovejoy's daughter, and she steals from the church collection plate. Afterwards when he's walking down the street and people are yelling at him while they're driving by, and one guy yells "YOUSTOLEMONEYFROMTHECOLLECTIONPLATE" super fast th-cam.com/video/FcRFo75lJ-M/w-d-xo.html (Hopefully this link gets through)
This movie is essentially a 10-year-long game of telephone. In 2010/11, Joss Whedon creates The Avengers. In 2016, Zack Snyder tries to copy Joss Whedon while keeping his style intact. In 2017, Whedon tries to copy himself while keeping Zack's style intact, which he fails at. In 2020/21, Zack tries to copy himself using his old footage where he tried to copy Whedon, while staying away from anything Whedon did that tried to copy himself mimicking Zack's style copying him. It's a mess.
Please, after all these years, as a new year's gift. When you come back with the podcast in 2024, you have to do "Hate Mail But The 'H8' has an '8' in it" that you receive from these videos by the Snyder cult... 😅
This film is a tragedy of real life sequences leading to an unnecessary ego project, and I hate that the reality we got out of all those infinite, different theorized versions, was the one where this film existed and had to be led up to by Zack Snyder, a visionary filmmaker who just doesn't like superheroes. Joss Whedon was brought in to oversee the first Justice League movie after a death in Snyder's family, but he oversaw the editing, the cutting, the storyboard scenes and re-arrangement, everything, all under the watchful eye of Zack Snyder who still showed up on set and signed off on everything, he just didn't have the time to do it himself. All of it was Zack's original vision, all of the CG was made under his direction, and he even agreed with the editing choices. It was his film up and down... something fanboys just refuse to acknowledge. Joss Whedon was brought in because of his experience in the genre, and was told to punch up some of the dialogue and editing to make it snappier and less dreary after feedback on the previous Man of Steel and Batman v Superman films, which were oppressively dark and delightfully horribly received to some extent. So Zack Snyder teased his 'missing footage' he never got to use across social media, to get the cultlike Snyder fans to push for an unprecedented retry that cost Warner Bros tens of millions of dollars and consists of less than 50% original footage. Zack Snyder was paid overwhelmingly and given a massive budget and incredible creative freedom on a risk-free unHollywoodably long redo of his entire failed third movie in DC's biggest headlining franchise, partly out of pity and partly out of fan pressure, giving Zack Snyder the ability to both distance himself from the awful original cut of the movie that was almost entirely his and a handy scapegoat in Joss Whedon who was already becoming a publicly hated figure, and a huge expensive vanity project further fueling his legacy in Hollywood and galvanizing his fanbase. I detest that this movie existed in the first place, that someone who's idea of 'cool and edgy' is Batman getting raped in prison was chosen by DC to run their biggest films and ended up here with somehow a solid win-loss ratio in spite of everything, and ended up somehow able to crawl out of the wreckage of Justice League with a big second attempt that's practically never been done before... just because. Just, for no reason. Why not? Sure WB.
I've said before, if I was an editor and someone asked me "why does your job exist?" I would make them watch this movie and say "this is why, an editor didn't touch this movie. "
Now you understand why you aren't an editor. Comments like this are dumb when a completely different shorter cut exists that anyone even with brain damage would concur is inferior!
@jamessdavis5201 possibly the dumbest take on this subject possible. The whedon version is not just an edited version of the Snyder cut. There's whole new content Snyder shot.
You guys should do the DC animated movies. From the 1st gen movies like Justice League: “Doom” & “Crisis on Two Earths”, the Superman/Batman movies, New Frontier, Under the Red Hood, etc. Then you can do the DCAMU films from Flashpoint Paradox down to Dark Apocalypse War. Then right now there’s the Tomorrowverse films. Plenty of content to cover! It’d be great to hear commentary from you guys since the animated movies tend to be overlooked. We’ll happily watch it 🙏
The movie absolutely had no need to be 4 hours long. Even 3 hours long. There just isnt enough story for it, and the movie suffers for it. Zach is a great visual director, but he really just can't distinguish between when to develop a character, and when to hold a slow mo shot for way too long
I've had many hearty laughs at snyderoids who are adamant that this slogfest of a film is his original vision, if only snyderoids had even the most basic understanding of how film making and the film industry work but that would be asking too much from the dumbest fandom ever.
How does your comment have so many likes? People really love feeling superior on the internet. “If only snyderoids had even the most basic understanding of how filmmaking and the film industry works.” You need a trophy for most pretentious internet dweller TH-cam comment.
Happy Holidays to James, Mason, Collings, Ben and Lawrence, can't wait to see more next year! These videos are always one of the highlights of my week!!
There are two things I associate with the Oscars. Flash entering the speed force and Three 6 Mafia winning one before Martin Scorsese, Spike Lee, or Leo DiCaprio.
This "movie" has a lot of cool sequences, in isolation. Flash saving Iris, Cyborg's montage, WW's opening action scene... All neat, with creative imagery, but neither of them comment on each other, they're not part of a unifying narrative. There's no cut of this movie that'll make for a cohesive story, I should know, I tried cutting the superfluous stuff, but turns out that's all the things that are interesting and fun to watch. This movie spends so much time on grey cartoon monsters talking tired cliches in highly modulated and ear grating voices. Any scene featuring Steppenwolf talking to a hologram, or talking at someone, it's so boring and time better spent on any other character.
Yeah it’s like a short bit we got in extended version of BvS was far more interesting and intriguing and menacing that what we actually got. I mean this alien hologram in the ship immersed in red goo or whatever
*The Snyder verse fan-base has really hurt DC comic's because they are the "few" but they were very noisy online, it made it seem like they were the "many". And the "many" wanted the continuation of the Snyder verse when DC should of rebooted. Now coming to the end 5yrs too late, where 75 to 80% of the Snyder verse movies has record making box office flops.* I believe it's so bad now l don't think a good superman movie from James Gunn can save it.
I dont know why they don't make comic book sequels based on Snyder's plans. 2000AD did that for Dredd and that worked pretty well! And DC makes comic books, like, all the time!
Calling is "Joss Whedon's version of Justice League" is pretty disingenuous. The guy was brought on like 7 months before release and told to completely retool and alter the tone of the film. I truly doubt that's what it would have looked like if he was hired from day 1
I don't like when peopl say this movie is better than the 2017 ver. They aren't wrong but if I was allowed reshoots and if I got to watch everyone rip the first verison apart I would hope its better!
Yeah. A lot of the stuff that people complain about from the 2017 version was Snyder's doing. He got audience feedback before releasing his cut. Having said that, I'll take the 2 hour version over the 4 hour version any day. I don't ever want to see the Snyder cut again.
Fun Fact: Caravan of Garbage is one of the few TH-cam vids I never cut short early because I _have_ to hear "Grab that gem, you guys" and the ending riff
Will say the score by Thomas Holkenberg (Junkie XL) is pretty great. Maybe bots helped that Flash scene win the Oscar Cheer Moment award, but really his score made that scene pretty darn great
Thanks for all the entertaining content you've given us over the past year. Definitely appreciate all the time and effort you all put into these! For suggestions -- The Crow (maybe one to do in October), Spawn (which you've mentioned in another Caravan of Garbage video), Johnny Mnemonic, Con Air, 'older' Disney films like The Sword & The Stone or The Emperor's New Groove, or something from the 80s like The Breakfast Club, Dirty Dancing, or Romancing The Stone.
Without the avengers lame ass theme tune playing every 10 seconds a marvel films real runtime is 30 mins plus all the theme tunes to fill the rest of the movie
Ironic that this is four hours of footage shot because they didn’t want to miss anything and yet they still needed to bring Henry cavell back plus a glorious mustache 😂
Going to say it here too, please check out the Doom Patrol series! I’ve been waiting to hear you talk about it And thanks for another year great content
Love these videos. Mostly for the same reason I loved the original CoD Black Ops: My name is Mason and hearing someone say it over and over on TV is super engaging. Enjoy your holidays. I'll be ready for more Caravan of Garbage when you return February. I guess until then I'll find the few videos I've missed.
My stance on this specific film has always been a simple one: I don't hate the film, but I hate the fandom around it for trying to whinge sequels to "Zack's original vision" into existence, rather than just being happy with what they were given. At least Rebel Moon has given them something else to chew on.
Some of the worst parts of the Justice League are also from the original cut and Zac Snyder had the advantage of hindsight to remove the dialogue that he knows people hated lol. I think Zac Snyder has a mastery of visual cinematics but most(all) of the great stuff he's made is a recreation of things that already exist (Watchmen, 300, etc.) and the things he's made that are wholly original are just not great and this film is a clear example of that. The fanboys/girls/people can't come out and admit it though because they "rioted" in the street for this to be made and they'll look foolish if they own up to the fact that this film is just more of nothing. Also, a lot of the original corny lines that people hated were in the original trailers before Whedon was brought onto the project and Snyder was removed.
I started drinking every time it went into slowmo. Then had to stop in ten minutes. And for the record some people may or may not have watched this on a streaming service and may or may not have watched a bootleg version. Anyway it was a movie or something that happened as longly as possible. Was it better than the original? Yeah. Some of it was. Was it also not great? Yep also that. But god it was long.
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This is a fun little piece of Trivia, in order to make the Black Superman Suit Accurate, Zack Snyder painstakingly went threw and removed every pixel from the original cut. This grueling process took quite some time and people knew not to disturb Mr. Snyder as he crafted the black suit in visual effects. In order to make the suit black, he had to take out every instance of blue and red in the suit. People on the production team would warn other crew members not to disturb Mr. Snyder when he was going about what he liked to call the “Blue Harvest” which coincidentally just so happened to be the Studio name used to hide the production of Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
You'll find it was actually the working title of the original Star Wars from 1977.
It hurt me to be factual, but last time i got comments. But Honestly chuck those mates in a bin, I fixed it. @@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep
This made me smile so big. I wish they still did that bit.
I knew what was happening and I still went with it. It's me. I'm the problem.
Why do so many people misspell Zack?
“Every scene is as long as it possibly could be” is a great way of describing this film.
The coffee cup bit is the bridge too far for me.
That sounds like it's portraying it in a negative view 🤔. I can't comment on whether this Cut makes the movie better (already watched the theatrical version first. already know all the story, and biased), but I can comment that, for a 4-hour movie, it was not boring but quite engaging (as in, you're stuck on the screen). That means the pacing was good, flow was good.
In your opinion.......@@andrewyp6724
I would like to see a proper version of the cut that would have been released in theatres with a lot of overly long scenes cut down and alot of the slo-mo cut out
I like the slow-mo in some scenes but there’s so many instances in the film where it’s just not needed and the choir track that plays whenever Wonder Woman’s around was quite annoying too
@@andrewyp6724For the most part it’s great and while I understand the way this is, some of the slow-mo is a bit unnecessary and some of the scenes are overly long, they work for the most part but some of it could have been cut down
Too short. Release the 3 hour Maso cut.
Seriously though when I heard they were doing the Snyder cut I was hoping for an hour long video 😂
@@quietman208me too and idk why
@@Strawildbecause we expected them to have the stamina or interest in roasting each scene of which there are like over 9000
I *will* riot.
@@nailinthefashionturns out there is only 7 scenes in the whole movie!! Just hella stretched out
That Martha and Lois scene was so heartfelt but immediately invalidated when it turned out it was Martian Manhunter all along. Like, hell yeah, shock value wins over substance. That's what Zack Snyder is to me.
And I bet you Diane Lane had no idea that's how he was gonna edit it.
Its not even that shoking. its just weird.
@@TheEnecca But I'm willing to bet Snyder was like "this is gonna shock the fans"...well, it's his devout fans who think everything he does is "cool".
So badass, the Martian impersonating Martha Kent, holding a tea cup with both hands and, basically manipulating Louis Lane, straight up.
Fun fact:
If you play this video 9 times in a row, it will still be a shorter amount of time than the movie that they cover in it.
What do you mean “if”
Holy shit, I fucking hate Snyder even more now. What a shill, did ya see he’s saying that rebel moons director cut is the real movie, wtf type of hack is he
And what is the point of that "fun fact"?
@@Pikashades It's fun, no?
Make sure you leave a like each time.
"A real chode of a movie." - Nick Mason
The greatest review possible
This movie is not a lot of things but it is long
@@sergeantsainsburys9181long and thin, I prefer needle dick as a proper metaphor. There’s no meat to this movie, except the hot dog… oh my god the fucking hot dog, Snyder may be the worst director to ever directed
@@sergeantsainsburys9181That's a great quote, I'm gonna use it.
@@sergeantsainsburys9181I wish it was longer, but like, in another direction
If your chode lasts longer than Zack Snyder’s Justice League, call your doctor
Should have titled it "Mason Hates The Snyder Cut", to really let it explode with engagement to close out the year.
"Why The Snyder Cut Will Give You Cancer And Killed The Dinosaurs - Secrets Warner Bros Don't Want You To Know"
It's crazy to me that this movie contains an action scene that's all about how fast Wonder Woman is.
Thats like if the Avengers had an entire scene dedicated to how good Captain America is at archery.
Or a bit where Thor can throw a shield real good.
Honestly having an archery scene where Cap fires Hawkeye’s bow would be sweet.
That scene was awesome! Despite not knowing or giving AF who those bad guys are!
WW is a demi-god she gets a pass! Steve Roger is just a roided super soldier!
@@jamessdavis5201 wrong steve
@@jamessdavis5201 she still wouldn't be that fast.
Fun Fact: Jerry, the police officer who Lois gives coffee to at the Superman memorial, is played by MarcMclure, who also played Jimmy Olsen in Superman (1978).
And everyone on set laughed at his old Jimmy Olsen Vest, with the classic "Hardee Har Har" which led to his nickname of "The boy in the Blue Har Har Vest", which was often shortened to Blue Har Vest.
@@The22ndDoctor clever
Fun fact: in this film Superman is played by Henry Cavill, who also played Superman in Man of Steel [2013]
@videogamenostalgia not true, that cannot be true, no way, you're a liar.
Better Jimmy Olsen than the one we got in the Snyder verse (You know people on social media actively defends that Jimmy Olsen literally to the death even if his screen time was less than the jar of piss?)
Seeing James' reaction to "You should probably move" when ZSJL was released nearly made the 4 hour ordeal worth it😅
That was my true Snyder Cut
I've never heard that before but "every scene is as long as it could possibly be" is the perfect way to describe this movie.
My favourite scene in this movie is when the Justice League fights Steppenwolf in a big grey concrete tube with a bridge in the middle.
Its so great they did it twice.
holy shit didn’t notice that well done😂
I liked the part when Steppenwolf broke the fourth wall and said "It's Darkseid time!"
@@LuisSierra42 I like the part when the big purple CGI mess of a turd came thru a portal ohhhhh wait that was that trash avengers sorry
@@youtubeperson199Hey... At least the MCU had a chance to become mediocre.
@youtubeperson199 I mean Avengers is good enough that ZSJL is nearly a beat for beat copy of the plot so I guess it did something right.
The scene when Lois puts a coffee cup down in slow motion is the pinnacle of filmmaking. ☺
There's a four hour movie of all the takes.
Release the Coffee Cut!
So you missed the point that it was to look at her still wearing the ring.
@@Vesohag
woo-
hoo?
@@eastvandb it just shows the media illiteracy that a lot people have. Focused on the cup and slow motion instead of the slow-mo use to have time to notice the ring on her finger.
@@Vesohag
It just shows that Snyder so overuses slow motion that it has become a tedious cliché of his movies and we stop paying attention.
I like the idea that when any other hero dies, they have to attempt to bring them back to life from now on
It's incredibly comic accurate. Everyone gets revived
Dragonball in a nutshell.
@@Nick_Valentine2702ya, and it makes for shitty storytelling. People in comics get revived( when done well) years apart from their death. This movie sucks, there’s no enjoyment from it other than laughing at how terrible it is in most parts, and how depressing it is there is actually cool visuals in there
@@leithaziz2716 Dragonball maintains both the highest stakes and lowest stakes at the same time.
@@cl4-tpgamingthe death of Doctor Strange has been my favourite other than Wanda so far
There's such an infuriatingly easy fix for the black suit thing: just swap when it's used with his regular suit. Have them put him in the black suit for his funeral because wearing black at funerals is a thing people do, and then he resurrects in the black suit, which helps him recharge, and then after that fight he swaps back to a blue suit.
Or just have the fortress of solitude scene not have his red/blue suit which gives him a reason to where the black.
But end the film with the shirt rip with the red and blue
The extended audio version should be four hours, with three and a half hours of silence
FUN FACT: I was Lead Designer/Design Director for the Video Game that was to supplement George Miller’s JLA. I read the movie script and had my passport ready to fly out to Australia and meet face-to-face with the man himself. Then… George dropped out. My heart sunk.
Warner put ou so many $200mi bombs in the past few years. Not one of them could have been George Miller's JLA? Makes me sad that so many less intriguing project were seen through.
Yooooooo that's so cool! It's a real shame they didn't end up going with it. Is there anything you can legally share about the plans for the game?
@@MrEnKaye one of our animators managed to put together a video of the work in progress. There is some missing or incorrect information in it but if I can find a video, I’ll be happi to share it.
Not fun.
The main confusion for me is that the Amazon's are slightly super human but struggle with a parademon. Yet batman doesn't struggle with them
Comics (and derivative movies) are always just a huge mess with power scaling.
Not true, Batman struggled big time with them. He only survived thanks to his top tier gadgets and gear.
He had prep time
@@AztecUnshaven saying that Batman only survived because of his gadgets is like saying Mike Tyson was only good because of his firsts?
cuz he’s Batman!
Only a storytelling genius could have produced such a powerful scene as that woman sniffing a sweater
The most relatable character across all media. Don't care who's sweater it is, if you leave it for me on the shore, I'll be your whore. Wait a minute
It was a sniff for the ages. IMHO, the only thing that would have made it better is if the woman whispered, "Sooo moist," under breath while sniffing.
This movie left black bars on the sides of my TV for days after watching it
The evangelical twist was beautiful.
Praise be
I can't believe they didn't get in the manosphere when James is so ridiculously muscular and has a wife. Should disrespect her publicly more I guess
I literally just lolled to that and looked at the comments for someone saying this. Brilliant pod
The cutaway to James reacting to “you should probably move” *chef’s kiss*
You know who would make a great Joker? That guy who yells Rodney! #JusticeForThatGuyWhoYellsRodney
"theres too many scenes in this movie" the biggest understatement in the video
It will never not bother me that this is a 4 HOUR Justice League movie and not once does Superman share an interaction with any of the JL members apart from Batman.
I feel like Nando v Movies' character similarity/conflict matrix should be applies to all movies from now. I don't know if anything similar is a thing in the screenwriting process, but good movies where characters are in the same place tend to automatically follow it.
Like in the Star Wars Sequels.
The funniest part to me about it being “Snyders true vision” is that there is absolutely 0 fucking chance that his vision involved a 4:3 aspect ratio before the whole Snyder cut shit
That's how he filmed it.
When people talked about how DCEU was too dark,
people meant the exposure, contrast, and color schemes
Everything is just murky
Its better then the color pallete the racist perv chose when he butchered the original cut
"So dark!" - Deadpool
It's "darkness" was laughable from the start. Your movie can't try so hard all the way through, and neither can your franchise as a whole. It becomes comical.
Thanks for talking about the tallest comic book movie in the world, gents!
While not quite as iconic in comic book history, I think J.K. Simmons as the voice of Omniman also deserves a mention. It's hard to imagine anyone else filling that role better than he has.
I feel like people just don't think about voice actors as much since they don't literally see them on screen. But you are so right. I can't even imagine omniman with a different voice
Came here to say this. I think it's his best role of the three.
“The Giant Disrespectful Wheel of Historical Sadness” - fucking GOLD, man
Thank you two + the editing team for another year of content! Happy holidays to one of the best channels on the entire site
I'm looking forward to the black and white version of this!
with just pops of red so we can really focus on that hot crotch
And being stretched for 4 hours with multiple slowmo scenes.
@@diegomedina9637 Don't forget about all of the setups for sequels that are absolutely definitely coming out
A real George Constanza of a movie. Very stocky.
I can't believe they double dipped that movie.
It’s definitely a 40 short
They spent like 15 seconds walking up stairs. I laughed out loud.
Snyder babes.... slowmo doesn't need to be the go to.. it's so silly
@@nailinthefashion Bro just read your comment before posting, You sound like a BOT with broken English
You are an easy man to please, lol.
I wasn't a joke either, like "See, even superheroes have to walk up some stairs sometimes". No, it had "badass" music playing over it.
15:55 "He's a bad Joker."
(Everyone who has not seen the epic rant about Jared Leto in the Caravan of Garbage episode on Suicide Squad, please do so now.)
I just truly could not care less about this movie. Every Snyder DC movie is a test of will to get through and I just do not see this being any different. I’m glad it’s finally over.
Found you guys this year and its been fun going thru your videos. Shoutout to Ben and Lawrence because their editing is 🤌🏼. Happy New Year team!
The thunder rolling in the background when Maso talked about needing extra red trunk power in his groin region is going to echo in my brain forever.
It's so heartwarming how bi coded these episodes are but actually aren't
Thank you Ben and Lawrence for fixing the audio and making this year entertaining.
Gotta love how people thought that changing the aspect ratio would make this movie better. Then people acted like it actually made the movie better.
Watching the Flash speed force scene on mushrooms and molly on my birthday was incredible. Not nearly as incredible on rewatch, but a fun memory still
18:01 as a fan of the comic, he was also the perfect choice for Omni-Man
Zack Snider makes the cinematic equivalent of Fabergé Eggs. Very beautiful but very little inside.
I couldn't stop laughing at just the insane amount of times they played that same Wonder Woman theme over and over again everytime she did anything interesting
I hate it so much😭
This movie made me laugh way more times than even the original did.
The Winder Woman chorus, the heavy metal chords playing while they walk up stairs, even Superman's shockwave scream at the beginning. It reminded me of this kinda obscure moment from The Simpsons. The episode where Bart falls for Lovejoy's daughter, and she steals from the church collection plate. Afterwards when he's walking down the street and people are yelling at him while they're driving by, and one guy yells "YOUSTOLEMONEYFROMTHECOLLECTIONPLATE" super fast
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(Hopefully this link gets through)
...I really miss the guy who shouts Rodney
We started with Shrek and ended with the Snyder Cut. Another great freaking year from CoG
“Better than the giant disrespectful wheel of spherical sadness” - Mason
This movie is essentially a 10-year-long game of telephone.
In 2010/11, Joss Whedon creates The Avengers.
In 2016, Zack Snyder tries to copy Joss Whedon while keeping his style intact.
In 2017, Whedon tries to copy himself while keeping Zack's style intact, which he fails at.
In 2020/21, Zack tries to copy himself using his old footage where he tried to copy Whedon, while staying away from anything Whedon did that tried to copy himself mimicking Zack's style copying him.
It's a mess.
I love when Mr. Sundaymovies posts, because that way I have something to watch while I am also busy watching Red Notice!
I’d love to see Cavill play “Kingdom Come” Superman in 20 years.
Please, after all these years, as a new year's gift. When you come back with the podcast in 2024, you have to do "Hate Mail But The 'H8' has an '8' in it" that you receive from these videos by the Snyder cult... 😅
You might want to check out the latest Weekly Planet episode 😉
This film is a tragedy of real life sequences leading to an unnecessary ego project, and I hate that the reality we got out of all those infinite, different theorized versions, was the one where this film existed and had to be led up to by Zack Snyder, a visionary filmmaker who just doesn't like superheroes.
Joss Whedon was brought in to oversee the first Justice League movie after a death in Snyder's family, but he oversaw the editing, the cutting, the storyboard scenes and re-arrangement, everything, all under the watchful eye of Zack Snyder who still showed up on set and signed off on everything, he just didn't have the time to do it himself. All of it was Zack's original vision, all of the CG was made under his direction, and he even agreed with the editing choices. It was his film up and down... something fanboys just refuse to acknowledge. Joss Whedon was brought in because of his experience in the genre, and was told to punch up some of the dialogue and editing to make it snappier and less dreary after feedback on the previous Man of Steel and Batman v Superman films, which were oppressively dark and delightfully horribly received to some extent.
So Zack Snyder teased his 'missing footage' he never got to use across social media, to get the cultlike Snyder fans to push for an unprecedented retry that cost Warner Bros tens of millions of dollars and consists of less than 50% original footage. Zack Snyder was paid overwhelmingly and given a massive budget and incredible creative freedom on a risk-free unHollywoodably long redo of his entire failed third movie in DC's biggest headlining franchise, partly out of pity and partly out of fan pressure, giving Zack Snyder the ability to both distance himself from the awful original cut of the movie that was almost entirely his and a handy scapegoat in Joss Whedon who was already becoming a publicly hated figure, and a huge expensive vanity project further fueling his legacy in Hollywood and galvanizing his fanbase.
I detest that this movie existed in the first place, that someone who's idea of 'cool and edgy' is Batman getting raped in prison was chosen by DC to run their biggest films and ended up here with somehow a solid win-loss ratio in spite of everything, and ended up somehow able to crawl out of the wreckage of Justice League with a big second attempt that's practically never been done before... just because. Just, for no reason. Why not? Sure WB.
I've said before, if I was an editor and someone asked me "why does your job exist?" I would make them watch this movie and say "this is why, an editor didn't touch this movie. "
That is because it's a Director's Cut version.
@@Pikashades Every ZS comic book movie has had a director's cut or ultimate version or whatever.
I got yelled at for pointing that out
@@Pikashades that doesnt excuse garbage editing. lol
Now you understand why you aren't an editor.
Comments like this are dumb when a completely different shorter cut exists that anyone even with brain damage would concur is inferior!
@jamessdavis5201 possibly the dumbest take on this subject possible. The whedon version is not just an edited version of the Snyder cut. There's whole new content Snyder shot.
‘He gets flung into the portal and beheaded’
‘In front of all his mates’ 😂😂
Zack Snyder hasn't ever made a good movie, Hollywood needs to give up on him already
He's made movies that made money
You guys should do the DC animated movies.
From the 1st gen movies like Justice League: “Doom” & “Crisis on Two Earths”, the Superman/Batman movies, New Frontier, Under the Red Hood, etc.
Then you can do the DCAMU films from Flashpoint Paradox down to Dark Apocalypse War. Then right now there’s the Tomorrowverse films.
Plenty of content to cover! It’d be great to hear commentary from you guys since the animated movies tend to be overlooked. We’ll happily watch it 🙏
Nobody can name a single BAD J.K. Simmons role.
I mean this would be it. He goes wasted in this movie it's almost insulting.
Great work all year, Ben and Lawrence! Best part of our Thursday’s.
My head canon is that Martian Manhunter ALWAYS WAS Superman's mom in the Snyderverse, and now there will never be anything to contradict that.
it shouldn't take 4 hours for your movie to be 'okay'
And two tries
Dork is the perfect word to describe Snyder. Hack would be a good one aswell
Why don’t you shut up
The movie absolutely had no need to be 4 hours long. Even 3 hours long. There just isnt enough story for it, and the movie suffers for it. Zach is a great visual director, but he really just can't distinguish between when to develop a character, and when to hold a slow mo shot for way too long
I've had many hearty laughs at snyderoids who are adamant that this slogfest of a film is his original vision, if only snyderoids had even the most basic understanding of how film making and the film industry work but that would be asking too much from the dumbest fandom ever.
'Snyderoids' 😂 easily fooled by Lofty Dialog into thinking these films are about something
Tbf, they are mostly bots and people easily influenced by bots. 🤷
Oh yeah? Well who directed the biggest cheer moment IN THE HISTORY OF CINEMA? Checkmate, mate.
@@SchulzEricT I'm sorry mate but I have to ask, are you serious or you just doin' a lil trollin'?
How does your comment have so many likes? People really love feeling superior on the internet. “If only snyderoids had even the most basic understanding of how filmmaking and the film industry works.” You need a trophy for most pretentious internet dweller TH-cam comment.
Thank you Ben and Lawrence for fixing it for a year! Thank you James and Maso for teaching us about movies and Jesus! Happy Holidays everyone!
Happy Holidays to James, Mason, Collings, Ben and Lawrence, can't wait to see more next year! These videos are always one of the highlights of my week!!
There are two things I associate with the Oscars. Flash entering the speed force and Three 6 Mafia winning one before Martin Scorsese, Spike Lee, or Leo DiCaprio.
Most known unknown
Superman getting his power from his little red jocks is what this world needs.
This "movie" has a lot of cool sequences, in isolation. Flash saving Iris, Cyborg's montage, WW's opening action scene... All neat, with creative imagery, but neither of them comment on each other, they're not part of a unifying narrative. There's no cut of this movie that'll make for a cohesive story, I should know, I tried cutting the superfluous stuff, but turns out that's all the things that are interesting and fun to watch. This movie spends so much time on grey cartoon monsters talking tired cliches in highly modulated and ear grating voices. Any scene featuring Steppenwolf talking to a hologram, or talking at someone, it's so boring and time better spent on any other character.
Yeah it’s like a short bit we got in extended version of BvS was far more interesting and intriguing and menacing that what we actually got. I mean this alien hologram in the ship immersed in red goo or whatever
Hello Sunday man
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@@mrsundaymoviesGoodbye Sunday Man
Goodbye Elliot
You guys are informative, funny, great content and I'm happy to have found this channel... Have a happy holiday season and see you on february!
Name suggestion for your evangelical shift: Mr Sunday School Movies
The fact that this video is shorter than anyone of the Prequel COG videos proves that those movies really are just peak cinema
9:06 😂😂😂 man he was really excited about a shittily acted line.
*The Snyder verse fan-base has really hurt DC comic's because they are the "few" but they were very noisy online, it made it seem like they were the "many". And the "many" wanted the continuation of the Snyder verse when DC should of rebooted. Now coming to the end 5yrs too late, where 75 to 80% of the Snyder verse movies has record making box office flops.*
I believe it's so bad now l don't think a good superman movie from James Gunn can save it.
Thank you guys!! Literally the best part of my week. Would love to see you guys take on the planet of the apes movies
I think they already did
Annette of the Plapes!
I can't wait for this to get into the Synder fans' algorithm and the comments flood in.
A real Christmas treat for all of us
@72Guyman
I remember arguing with people over the Metropolis fight and still do in some cases.
I dont know why they don't make comic book sequels based on Snyder's plans. 2000AD did that for Dredd and that worked pretty well! And DC makes comic books, like, all the time!
Not enough Snyder fans read comics for it to be worthwhile
Giving Snyder dorks anything is a bad idea
I’m very happy that when they start talking about Snyder fans the video cuts to footage of a fat loser sitting at his computer. Feels very accurate.
Aside from how well this version was received, can we all agree that this version is significantly better than the original version that we got?
Calling is "Joss Whedon's version of Justice League" is pretty disingenuous. The guy was brought on like 7 months before release and told to completely retool and alter the tone of the film. I truly doubt that's what it would have looked like if he was hired from day 1
I don't like when peopl say this movie is better than the 2017 ver. They aren't wrong but if I was allowed reshoots and if I got to watch everyone rip the first verison apart I would hope its better!
Yeah. A lot of the stuff that people complain about from the 2017 version was Snyder's doing. He got audience feedback before releasing his cut. Having said that, I'll take the 2 hour version over the 4 hour version any day. I don't ever want to see the Snyder cut again.
@@qui-gonrick7002you probably need to watch it with subway surfers in one side of the screen to make you focus
I dont care how much they argue, if your movie needs a 4 hour cut to make it work then you failed.
Fun Fact: Caravan of Garbage is one of the few TH-cam vids I never cut short early because I _have_ to hear "Grab that gem, you guys" and the ending riff
Will say the score by Thomas Holkenberg (Junkie XL) is pretty great. Maybe bots helped that Flash scene win the Oscar Cheer Moment award, but really his score made that scene pretty darn great
Just wanna say thanks for all the entertainment lads! (Ben and Lawrence included!). Happy holidays and New Year!
Thanks for all the entertaining content you've given us over the past year. Definitely appreciate all the time and effort you all put into these!
For suggestions -- The Crow (maybe one to do in October), Spawn (which you've mentioned in another Caravan of Garbage video), Johnny Mnemonic, Con Air, 'older' Disney films like The Sword & The Stone or The Emperor's New Groove, or something from the 80s like The Breakfast Club, Dirty Dancing, or Romancing The Stone.
I stopped drinking and I still have no memory of this long ass movie
That woman had 100K dropped in her bank account, you know the IRS is going to be knocking on her door.
This movie insists upon itself
Without the slo mo this movie is actually 45 minutes long
Without the avengers lame ass theme tune playing every 10 seconds a marvel films real runtime is 30 mins plus all the theme tunes to fill the rest of the movie
@youtubeperson199 We found Snyder's alt account.
@@youtubeperson199Snyder that’s you?!?!
@youtubeperson199 come on dude. Let's not do the whole mcu vs dcu thing. It's so outdated
Factual, accurate and not controversial.
I was more sad when any nameless muscle mommy Amazon died than I was at Superman dying
Ironic that this is four hours of footage shot because they didn’t want to miss anything and yet they still needed to bring Henry cavell back plus a glorious mustache 😂
Going to say it here too, please check out the Doom Patrol series! I’ve been waiting to hear you talk about it
And thanks for another year great content
I love that series.
Love these videos. Mostly for the same reason I loved the original CoD Black Ops: My name is Mason and hearing someone say it over and over on TV is super engaging.
Enjoy your holidays. I'll be ready for more Caravan of Garbage when you return February. I guess until then I'll find the few videos I've missed.
“You should probably move”
Mason: STARTS TWEAKING
QUALITY
My stance on this specific film has always been a simple one: I don't hate the film, but I hate the fandom around it for trying to whinge sequels to "Zack's original vision" into existence, rather than just being happy with what they were given.
At least Rebel Moon has given them something else to chew on.
Some of the worst parts of the Justice League are also from the original cut and Zac Snyder had the advantage of hindsight to remove the dialogue that he knows people hated lol. I think Zac Snyder has a mastery of visual cinematics but most(all) of the great stuff he's made is a recreation of things that already exist (Watchmen, 300, etc.) and the things he's made that are wholly original are just not great and this film is a clear example of that. The fanboys/girls/people can't come out and admit it though because they "rioted" in the street for this to be made and they'll look foolish if they own up to the fact that this film is just more of nothing. Also, a lot of the original corny lines that people hated were in the original trailers before Whedon was brought onto the project and Snyder was removed.
I would really like you to do the Men In Black franchise. MIB3 is the best sequel.
Love the Wall Street gag and the “Make love not war - I rather do both” line.
You guys hit the nail on the head: it’s not good, it’s just longer (and more self-indulgent).
I started drinking every time it went into slowmo. Then had to stop in ten minutes. And for the record some people may or may not have watched this on a streaming service and may or may not have watched a bootleg version.
Anyway it was a movie or something that happened as longly as possible. Was it better than the original? Yeah. Some of it was. Was it also not great? Yep also that. But god it was long.