Geat accont! Many thanks from a Russian Moscovite who was listening to parents reading this great tale in my childhood and also looking at the great picture illustrations to it by artist Bilibin!
I would love to hear your interpretation of the Kalevala and Finnish mythology. It is a rich tradition that is unfairly obscure considering it's influence on modern fantasy fiction.
super based. i have a near mirror image of that "picture of everything" in my notebook. well, different parts but same structure. it's so refreshing to see people thinking along similar lines.
Incredibly inspiring, thank you Mr. Pageau, we’ve just started watching it - but the fact that you posted it is incredible because: on one special night, 4/23/2021 nasa captured an exploding star - and it is part of the “Wolf Rayets” stars. Just wow…
I like the interpretation. It's a story about individuation. I agree the water is not really a christian baptism but it's a christening of sorts: learning how to work. Ivan starts doing stuff because other people tell him to, but in the end discovers himself, and, mirroring his choice of sacrificing his body (which is the smart thing) he has to choose to sacrifice his life (or to now choose a path in life, as you so clearly said) and give in to work, his own life's work. Then he is worthy of his father's kingdom. Ivan finds a will.
I have always loved these younger or youngest son stories. I's a time of growing up for the youth. It's almost like , "I'm as big and smart as my older brothers. Let me show you." I see this in my youngest grandson who is 8 but in his mind going on manhood.
I really enjoyed this Jonathan. I enjoy your videos.......I learned about symbolism from my studies of Carl Jung. He has a volume of his collected works where he discusses symbolism of several fairy tales...this video reminded me of that. I myself have apperceived the "God" symbol.....but it was a psychological experience as I was walking. I really appreciate your work...I subscribe to you on subscribe star.
Has anyone read Anastasia, the Ringing Cedars of Russia? Not a fairy tale, but reads like one, so much pertinent intel/solutions for our current reality... you will be glad you did Much love to all
Russell Lukenbill ...i bet you will be amazed at how it applies! i'd be glad to discuss it with you, i identify bigtime (leave message under my video: shit i do 🚽 see the 3 books there...lol) 💜 much love
And the gray wolf said to Jonathan, the firebird is in that tall castle, sitting on a chair, drinking from a cup and singing into a microphone. Take the bird but leave the chair, cup and the microphone...
From the palace, into the controlled garden, out into the wilderness is a vivid representation of "Space" expanding, is an awesome fractal and hints at the mystery of finding a palace(life) in the wilderness(death)
Late to the party, but if you're still interested, the wolf is a loaded and somewhat flexible symbol, but most often represents the unconscious mind which is closely associated with chaos and the soul (in Alchemy, mythology, Jungian psychology etc) - the unconscious of course contains all the things Jonathan mentioned about the wolf; the primal emotions, instincts and motivations, especially in the shadow, archetypally speaking. A person's self speaks and guides from the chaos of the unconscious mind - the wolf is the unconscious of the prince, which serves him when the prince learns to understand and communicate with his unconscious, bringing it under his control as a mount and letting it carry him deep into death, then even into new life, as the wolf (the good in the shadow and other parts of the unconscious at this point), directs the crows (which represents the nigredo or first stage of the purifying individuation process or "Great Work of the Soul" in alchemy btw, very relevant) to bring the water of life and water of death (symbols of the Holy Spirit and other similar things) which brings wholeness and life to the prince, much like the Holy Spirit does to the individual who has found true individuation, that is, oneness with God - the Spirit is first death to the evil parts of the mind, then from that death, new life, true life, a bringing of order from the chaos, represented by the joining of the chaotic disemembering of the body parts into one whole, new body. The wolf's agenda then, is the agenda of the prince's unconscious mind - it is first wild, unpredictable and counterproductive (eating the horse), then helpful and immensely valuable, as the prince learns to work with it and benefit from it. In Alchemy, the wolf devours the dead or sleeping king then bursts into flame, and then the king emerges from the fire like the phoenix, with new life and vigor, a new king entirely. This is the same story of individuation (and from a Christian perspective, oneness with God) as the prince and the wolf, just much more compact and using fire instead of water, both symbols of the Spirit and purification of the heart/mind.
Hi Jonathan, greetings from a long time viewer! First of all - as a native Russian speaker (actually I'm bilingual), let me confirm that Helen the Beautiful definitely is associated with Helen of Troy. And, as you already pointed out that there is many ways to "decipher" any symbol - may I offer you alternative version for Ivan and Grey Wolf? Let me turn the explanation upside-down: Fire-bird is actually gimps of a Spirit in the earthly kingdom. As you pointed out - it is taking what is the best in earthly garden and taking it up. First, as I heard numerous times, horse if in Nordic (and consequently Russian) folklore is often associated with mind or more precisely - intellect. And upon arriving to the crossroads Ivan have to sacrifice his (earthly) mind to follow the Spirit as his mind is able to carry him only on earthly roads where he will eventually die. After thee loss of intellect, Initially he is crippled, but than discovers that Wolf (fused Passion and Will) can guide him in spite of being dangerous ally. Horse with the Golden Mane could be seen as spiritualised mind which is able to move in the lands beyond the Crossroads and Helen is Pure Soul. Soul already Saved. Water of Death and Water of life could be seen as parallels to Tree of Knowledge and Tree of Life. Do you think it makes sense? :)
Dear Gogi, your name tells me you are a Georgian. I really appreciate and love what you ve said including parallel horse=thoughts (you might ve been listened to Russian pop song by Oleg Gazmanov who sings "my thoughts are my riding horses". But as a Russian I disagree that when a Russian hear about Helen the Beautiful one does associate her with Helen of Troy. I have to admit that story of Helen of Troy is not very famouse among Russians aspecially among children even though everyone does know about Troyan Horse as an idiom the history of Troyan war is an obscure topic, I tell you as a historian and the interpreter by trade. Hellow from Moscow!
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б Hi Dimitri. regarding the association of the horse and thinking - it is quite popular in northern mythology. At least you can see possible parallels time and again and I also remember reading this works of some "esoteric' authors from Steiner to Jung. Now about Helen. I would not argue that "definitely" is a bit too strong word and general public will not associate Helen of Troy with Helen the Beautiful of Russian fairy tales. Having said that, IMHO the parallels are too strong to ignore - title, particular form of the name etc. Folklore is not my specialty, so this is just my opinion of long time aficionado of both (fairy tales and mythos)
The head without a body... Athena. The path of suffering... Hera. The body without a head, Aphrodite. The three goddesses of the Judgement of Paris. They are the three lower seals/ chakras... sexuality, suffering (as a means of enhancing survival), and power ( think social standing as a factor in survival). I think the wolf is the body Ivan gets at puberty and the gold maned horse is the body of the initiate’s rebirth in God. I love the hidden in these old stories.
multiplicity isn't inherently bad, choices can be good, but is there not such a thing as choice fatigue? similarly, having one or two best friends is great, but having 8 best friends would begin to stretch one thin. these attributes of choice which pull you apart and wear you down are the things closer to 'death'.
@@juicerino I think the author made this point that multiplicity is bad because what oposes to it is a simple choice between good and evel whereas multiplicity choice is more complex and primerely does not permit to choose beetween good and evil which is absolutely necessary for the personal growth. Hellow from Moscow.
Jonathan would love to hear more about tapping into the dark side/anger/shadow that you briefly mentioned... I know some elite athletes like Kobe, Novak Djoković, Zlatan Ibrahimović have mastered it but rarely talk about it.
I have a idea. Id love to hear a explanation about Laurus. I listened to the Audio book, because I'm not good at sitting still and because of that I became confused once he started jumping around in time. Also I finished the Master and Margarita for the second time and found the summaries on TH-cam lacking. Sooooooo, I know they aren't fairy tales, but they are Russian.
Please please please talk about Ratatouille The most surprisingly adult movie in the Pixar Canon Remmy gets shot at trying to steal spices...linguini is made drunk to tell secrets....hidden king and adultery...
Have you noticed that everyone who comes into possession of the Ring calls it 'precious'? From Isildur to Gollum to Bilbo? Even Tom Bombadil says 'show me the precious ring'.
@@jamieyoung9392 why is that? What is so important to those that come into possession of this cylindrical shape object, that they become so enthralled or possess by it? What is it, with this round shape object ⛰ that bewildered the souls of men?
In the original story which is called 'The Tale of the Firebird and the Wolf' main protagonist is called Ivan the Fool. The story literally begins as: 'One king had three sons - two wise, and the third fool'. This third son always fails to follow wolf's advises except for the last quest - to capture Beautiful Maiden (she has no name in the story). By the way Beautiful Maiden is trying to awaken Ivan when he fell asleep. And when he was resurrected the firebird, the horse and the Beautiful Maiden all recognized him and welcomed. It's not Russian story by the way, at best it was preserved on Russian territory by Finnish people. After baptism of Kyivan Rus' many wandering buffoons (actors who enacted these stories as performances to public) flee from persecution of Orthodox Church to Kyiv's wild borderlands - modern Karelia and Pomorie where Finnish people dwell. Those Finnish people in Karelia and Pomorie who preserved 'Kyivan tales' are the same Finnish people who also preserved Kalevala - they are not 'Russians' by no means as well as the Kyivan stories.
Political Center of Rus indeed consequently moved from Kiev to city of Vladimir and then from Vladimir to city of Moscow, but it is wrong to admit that the tales about Ivan the Prince or about Ivan the Fool which are two different characters are not Russian fairytails. Maybe this idea could be coming from Ukrainian nationalists which make a claim that Kiev is the only place for authentic "russian" heritage but not Moscow. And that even more - Moscovites are not even Slavic and nothing more then just a bunch of finnish-hungarian folks...
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б Rus remains where it has always been - in Ukraine. Claiming otherwise is the same ridiculous culture appropriation as claims that "Romania" or Holy Roman Empire are Rome itself. However Muscovites (they adopt name "Great Russia" only in the 18-th century after destruction and occupation of Ukrainian Hetmanate with its ancient city of Kyiv) are indeed one time tried to prove that they are descendants of Roman Empire ) Even the name which Muscovites adopted ("Rossia") is the Greek (Byzantine Orthodox Patriarchy) perverted exonym of the original Ukrainian ethnonym "Rus'". Moreover Greeks used adopted by the Muscovites exonym "Great Russia" the same way as they used exonym "Great Greece" to distinct Greece itself (Little Greece) from Greek colonies abroad (Great Greece). So it's really funny thing that for Greeks Little Rus' (Little Russia) as they called Ukraine (Rus') meant Rus' itself while Great Russia meant foreign colonies of Rus'. But modern Muscovites ("Russians") genuinely think that "Great Russia" means that they are great or something while it actually means that they are territories formerly colonized by Rus' )
@@nortons7040 thanks, Norton! Very interesting! How can you comment on "Belaya Rus" as a separate state now or as a historical teritory: what is it with regard to the idea that Small Rus means the heartland and Great Rus is remote colonized territories? What is Belarus (White Rus) from your Ukrainian Perspektive?is
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б It's not "Ukrainian perspective" - it's objective truth which, by the way, I've learned at first from renown Russian historian (the real one, who works with historical documents in Saint Petersburg State University). IDK regarding "Belaya Rus" - probably it's kind of "poetic" given name which was not in use when actual Rus' existed. Initially Rus' included only Kyiv, Chernihiv, Pereyaslav and later Halych principalities and in annals we can read that Kyivan princes, for example, are going from Rus' to Novgorod to collect tribute, which means that even Novgorod considered as colony and was not included into Rus' (Ukraine) itself. It was like Gallia or Britain to Rome. Principality of Polotsk also paid tribute to Kyiv and wasn't considered as part Rus'. Later they become a heartland of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and people from there were called by Ruthenians (Ukrainians) "Lytvyny" (not to be confused with Lithuanians) up until 20-th century. However while Rus' was a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (its full name included Rus' - "Magnus Ducatus Lithvaniae, Rusiae...") it has decisive cultural influence on those, mostly Baltic, people. There was even saying in the Grand Duchy that "Poland blooms in Latin, Lithuania blooms in Rusyn" - they've adopted Ruthenian language, literature, poetry, Law system, religion, etc, as it was superior to their culture and considered prestigious. So in a way they become Rus' - Belarussian language is the closest one to Ukrainian while anthropologically Lytvyns (Byelorussians) and Ukrainians are very different.
If I were writing fiction, just off the top of my head, the cross (the pinnacle of betrayal, brutality & the gruesome . . . which no parent would ever want a young child to even remotely see) could, one way, . . . finally . . . make sense, maybe like this: In the very scene, the gruesome actuality, the resurrected one stands 42 feet from the foot of the cross (with blood still dripping but all breath, all movement, gone) with some friends, in passing, while they are on an adventure. “Yea, that’s me, too.” “But you’re standing right here, with us, as we all look in that direction, at that - how can that be you.” “I know, right! There i am, completely dead. And here we are, completely alive. Pretty cool, huh?” “So, if that’s you, and it’s completely True, you’re completely dead . . . and we’re here together right now, and it’s Completely True, how can both be at the same time?” “Well, that completely sucked. Really, not a good day at all. And this, us together, it’s pretty great, huh?” “You mean like a do-over?” “Maybe more like a do-upper . . . “ “Are you guys done staring at that already?” the youngest kids in the quest, sing-out, with their trouble-making smiles. “We’re supposed to be glow-swimming with the others!” And just like that, the landmark remained fixed there, for all eternity, while its reality by-proximity to all their new adventures together, became smaller and smaller, until it was only the faintest echo in a far-away land. Where they went on their quests, and all the others they are meeting, are stories which everyone can share, all who wish to join . . . 🎊 The Great Birthday Party 🎉 .
Geat accont! Many thanks from a Russian Moscovite who was listening to parents reading this great tale in my childhood and also looking at the great picture illustrations to it by artist Bilibin!
Hearing about Nicholas' new podcast literally made me do a little dance just now at my easel!!! I have a firebird tattoo on my arm as well!!!
This is a fabulous story. Thanks for sharing it.
I would love to hear your interpretation of the Kalevala and Finnish mythology. It is a rich tradition that is unfairly obscure considering it's influence on modern fantasy fiction.
The Kalevala is of Karelian origin.
@@mouna8007 Karelians, Finns and Estonians all have a closely related history, culture and language, no?
Stephen Hawking tried to conceive a Unifying theory. Jonathan just draws one.
Lol epic
You could extrapolate thousands of statements from an image.
Thank you for this amazng video and interpretation of one of my favourite fairytales ever!!! Waiting for more Russian fairytales interpretations...
super based.
i have a near mirror image of that "picture of everything" in my notebook. well, different parts but same structure. it's so refreshing to see people thinking along similar lines.
Stravinsky's Firebird is my favorite ballet.
This was fantastic.
Quite the story! Well told, Johnathan.
Incredibly inspiring, thank you Mr. Pageau, we’ve just started watching it - but the fact that you posted it is incredible because: on one special night, 4/23/2021 nasa captured an exploding star - and it is part of the “Wolf Rayets” stars. Just wow…
What a curious interpretation. Спасибо!
I like the interpretation. It's a story about individuation. I agree the water is not really a christian baptism but it's a christening of sorts: learning how to work. Ivan starts doing stuff because other people tell him to, but in the end discovers himself, and, mirroring his choice of sacrificing his body (which is the smart thing) he has to choose to sacrifice his life (or to now choose a path in life, as you so clearly said) and give in to work, his own life's work. Then he is worthy of his father's kingdom. Ivan finds a will.
I have always loved these younger or youngest son stories. I's a time of growing up for the youth. It's almost like , "I'm as big and smart as my older brothers. Let me show you." I see this in my youngest grandson who is 8 but in his mind going on manhood.
So what your saying is I should try to ride a wolf after I feed it my horse?
😂
My 10 and 14 are obsessed with these symbolic retelling ❤️❤️❤️
22:14 Begins the epic of the tiny grey spider. (bottom right of shirt)
I really enjoyed this Jonathan. I enjoy your videos.......I learned about symbolism from my studies of Carl Jung. He has a volume of his collected works where he discusses symbolism of several fairy tales...this video reminded me of that. I myself have apperceived the "God" symbol.....but it was a psychological experience as I was walking. I really appreciate your work...I subscribe to you on subscribe star.
Has anyone read Anastasia, the Ringing Cedars of Russia?
Not a fairy tale, but reads like one, so much pertinent intel/solutions
for our current reality... you will be glad you did Much love to all
Russell Lukenbill ...i bet you will be amazed at how it applies! i'd be glad to
discuss it with you, i identify bigtime (leave message under my video:
shit i do 🚽 see the 3 books there...lol) 💜 much love
That's a kind of a shameful way to assemble a pagan identity.
I know there was a movie called Anastasia. Is it an interpretation or something completely unrelated?
@@greggeverman5578 it's completelly unrelated and actually is a book on which "Ringing Cedars" NRM, aka Anastasianism is based on.
And the gray wolf said to Jonathan, the firebird is in that tall castle, sitting on a chair, drinking from a cup and singing into a microphone. Take the bird but leave the chair, cup and the microphone...
Marko Popović - Pozdrav, drago mi je da još neko iz Srbije gleda Džonatana 🙂
Jonathan, could you please copy a link to Deacon Nicholas Kotar's telling of the story in the comments? Many thanks!
Here it is: www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/certainkingdom/prince_ivan_and_the_grey_wolf :)
Catherine Barrett Thank you!
From the palace, into the controlled garden, out into the wilderness is a vivid representation of "Space" expanding, is an awesome fractal and hints at the mystery of finding a palace(life) in the wilderness(death)
TFW you wake up to your favorite podcast doing a crossover episode. ❤️❤️❤️
Yeah, very, very interesting... LOVED it.
But NOW, I really, really, REALLY would like to know what the Wolfe's agenda was in all this?
Gene Wolfe?
Late to the party, but if you're still interested, the wolf is a loaded and somewhat flexible symbol, but most often represents the unconscious mind which is closely associated with chaos and the soul (in Alchemy, mythology, Jungian psychology etc) - the unconscious of course contains all the things Jonathan mentioned about the wolf; the primal emotions, instincts and motivations, especially in the shadow, archetypally speaking.
A person's self speaks and guides from the chaos of the unconscious mind - the wolf is the unconscious of the prince, which serves him when the prince learns to understand and communicate with his unconscious, bringing it under his control as a mount and letting it carry him deep into death, then even into new life, as the wolf (the good in the shadow and other parts of the unconscious at this point), directs the crows (which represents the nigredo or first stage of the purifying individuation process or "Great Work of the Soul" in alchemy btw, very relevant) to bring the water of life and water of death (symbols of the Holy Spirit and other similar things) which brings wholeness and life to the prince, much like the Holy Spirit does to the individual who has found true individuation, that is, oneness with God - the Spirit is first death to the evil parts of the mind, then from that death, new life, true life, a bringing of order from the chaos, represented by the joining of the chaotic disemembering of the body parts into one whole, new body.
The wolf's agenda then, is the agenda of the prince's unconscious mind - it is first wild, unpredictable and counterproductive (eating the horse), then helpful and immensely valuable, as the prince learns to work with it and benefit from it.
In Alchemy, the wolf devours the dead or sleeping king then bursts into flame, and then the king emerges from the fire like the phoenix, with new life and vigor, a new king entirely. This is the same story of individuation (and from a Christian perspective, oneness with God) as the prince and the wolf, just much more compact and using fire instead of water, both symbols of the Spirit and purification of the heart/mind.
mfw i realise i'm Prince Ivan stuck in loops of trying to find insight..
How JP ends a fairytale:
"And they lived happily ever after, so what is going on?..."
but wheres the link
Thought this was an old video because all of his hair was gone
Hi Jonathan, greetings from a long time viewer!
First of all - as a native Russian speaker (actually I'm bilingual), let me confirm that Helen the Beautiful definitely is associated with Helen of Troy.
And, as you already pointed out that there is many ways to "decipher" any symbol - may I offer you alternative version for Ivan and Grey Wolf?
Let me turn the explanation upside-down: Fire-bird is actually gimps of a Spirit in the earthly kingdom. As you pointed out - it is taking what is the best in earthly garden and taking it up.
First, as I heard numerous times, horse if in Nordic (and consequently Russian) folklore is often associated with mind or more precisely - intellect. And upon arriving to the crossroads Ivan have to sacrifice his (earthly) mind to follow the Spirit as his mind is able to carry him only on earthly roads where he will eventually die. After thee loss of intellect, Initially he is crippled, but than discovers that Wolf (fused Passion and Will) can guide him in spite of being dangerous ally.
Horse with the Golden Mane could be seen as spiritualised mind which is able to move in the lands beyond the Crossroads and Helen is Pure Soul. Soul already Saved.
Water of Death and Water of life could be seen as parallels to Tree of Knowledge and Tree of Life.
Do you think it makes sense? :)
Thank you for that. I like the reference to earthy mind (intellect) and contrast with spiritual mind (intellect). I found it useful anyhow. Thanks.
Dear Gogi, your name tells me you are a Georgian. I really appreciate and love what you ve said including parallel horse=thoughts (you might ve been listened to Russian pop song by Oleg Gazmanov who sings "my thoughts are my riding horses". But as a Russian I disagree that when a Russian hear about Helen the Beautiful one does associate her with Helen of Troy. I have to admit that story of Helen of Troy is not very famouse among Russians aspecially among children even though everyone does know about Troyan Horse as an idiom the history of Troyan war is an obscure topic, I tell you as a historian and the interpreter by trade. Hellow from Moscow!
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б Hi Dimitri.
regarding the association of the horse and thinking - it is quite popular in northern mythology. At least you can see possible parallels time and again and I also remember reading this works of some "esoteric' authors from Steiner to Jung.
Now about Helen. I would not argue that "definitely" is a bit too strong word and general public will not associate Helen of Troy with Helen the Beautiful of Russian fairy tales. Having said that, IMHO the parallels are too strong to ignore - title, particular form of the name etc. Folklore is not my specialty, so this is just my opinion of long time aficionado of both (fairy tales and mythos)
@@GogiRazmadze thanks, Gogi! Agree with you!
Magnificent content
So that's where they got the idea for "shiny" pókemon, of course they are the best version of a particular kind of pókemon 😊
The head without a body... Athena. The path of suffering... Hera. The body without a head, Aphrodite. The three goddesses of the Judgement of Paris. They are the three lower seals/ chakras... sexuality, suffering (as a means of enhancing survival), and power ( think social standing as a factor in survival). I think the wolf is the body Ivan gets at puberty and the gold maned horse is the body of the initiate’s rebirth in God. I love the hidden in these old stories.
cool, thanks! Hellow from Moscow!
What a bautiful.
Why is multiplicity bad? Isn't it choices? What am I missing? Thank you.
multiplicity isn't inherently bad, choices can be good, but is there not such a thing as choice fatigue? similarly, having one or two best friends is great, but having 8 best friends would begin to stretch one thin. these attributes of choice which pull you apart and wear you down are the things closer to 'death'.
@@juicerino thank you so much OK I got now.
@@juicerino I think the author made this point that multiplicity is bad because what oposes to it is a simple choice between good and evel whereas multiplicity choice is more complex and primerely does not permit to choose beetween good and evil which is absolutely necessary for the personal growth. Hellow from Moscow.
Jonathan would love to hear more about tapping into the dark side/anger/shadow that you briefly mentioned...
I know some elite athletes like Kobe, Novak Djoković, Zlatan Ibrahimović have mastered it but rarely talk about it.
Prince Ivan and the fetch quest
I have a idea. Id love to hear a explanation about Laurus. I listened to the Audio book, because I'm not good at sitting still and because of that I became confused once he started jumping around in time. Also I finished the Master and Margarita for the second time and found the summaries on TH-cam lacking. Sooooooo, I know they aren't fairy tales, but they are Russian.
Upon The Wolf I Ride,
To Find Myself A Bride.
And Catch That Firebird.
My Horse Travese The World.
Please please please talk about Ratatouille
The most surprisingly adult movie in the Pixar Canon
Remmy gets shot at trying to steal spices...linguini is made drunk to tell secrets....hidden king and adultery...
19:30 Ganymed
And they say hanging out with wolves is a bad thing :v
As a joke, this makes no sense. Thumbed up anyways.
Morons!
@@greggeverman5578 dude you're like a meanie face man wtf
I had heard it said that this was an explicitly atheistic fairytale.
In what sense did God say: "And He saw that it was good"?
What is your introduction soundtrack?
th-cam.com/video/t4gYaLSQdhE/w-d-xo.html Chant also used on consecrating of the Holy Water
Little more depth in Von Franz's interpretations
I assume that these ancient stories contain life lessons, so I wonder if you've ever thought about doing practical interpretations of them, Jonathan?
You should do a video on Gollum Lord of The Rings and his attachment to the ring, "My Precious!" What is the symbolism of this creature and ring 💍
Yes! Very relevant today!!
He's got a video on the Ring, though it's not specifically about Gollum: th-cam.com/video/QafvZZTtNpE/w-d-xo.html
Have you noticed that everyone who comes into possession of the Ring calls it 'precious'? From Isildur to Gollum to Bilbo? Even Tom Bombadil says 'show me the precious ring'.
@@jamieyoung9392 why is that? What is so important to those that come into possession of this cylindrical shape object, that they become so enthralled or possess by it? What is it, with this round shape object ⛰ that bewildered the souls of men?
@@Isaxus12 very good. Didn't know this.
Prince Ivan should have taken the Wolf to his father
Спасибо.
In the original story which is called 'The Tale of the Firebird and the Wolf' main protagonist is called Ivan the Fool. The story literally begins as: 'One king had three sons - two wise, and the third fool'. This third son always fails to follow wolf's advises except for the last quest - to capture Beautiful Maiden (she has no name in the story). By the way Beautiful Maiden is trying to awaken Ivan when he fell asleep. And when he was resurrected the firebird, the horse and the Beautiful Maiden all recognized him and welcomed. It's not Russian story by the way, at best it was preserved on Russian territory by Finnish people. After baptism of Kyivan Rus' many wandering buffoons (actors who enacted these stories as performances to public) flee from persecution of Orthodox Church to Kyiv's wild borderlands - modern Karelia and Pomorie where Finnish people dwell. Those Finnish people in Karelia and Pomorie who preserved 'Kyivan tales' are the same Finnish people who also preserved Kalevala - they are not 'Russians' by no means as well as the Kyivan stories.
yup this is a pagan gnostic text.. they preserved and spread it like the troubadours of middle ages.. no wonder the church tried to erase it..
Political Center of Rus indeed consequently moved from Kiev to city of Vladimir and then from Vladimir to city of Moscow, but it is wrong to admit that the tales about Ivan the Prince or about Ivan the Fool which are two different characters are not Russian fairytails. Maybe this idea could be coming from Ukrainian nationalists which make a claim that Kiev is the only place for authentic "russian" heritage but not Moscow. And that even more - Moscovites are not even Slavic and nothing more then just a bunch of finnish-hungarian folks...
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б Rus remains where it has always been - in Ukraine. Claiming otherwise is the same ridiculous culture appropriation as claims that "Romania" or Holy Roman Empire are Rome itself. However Muscovites (they adopt name "Great Russia" only in the 18-th century after destruction and occupation of Ukrainian Hetmanate with its ancient city of Kyiv) are indeed one time tried to prove that they are descendants of Roman Empire ) Even the name which Muscovites adopted ("Rossia") is the Greek (Byzantine Orthodox Patriarchy) perverted exonym of the original Ukrainian ethnonym "Rus'". Moreover Greeks used adopted by the Muscovites exonym "Great Russia" the same way as they used exonym "Great Greece" to distinct Greece itself (Little Greece) from Greek colonies abroad (Great Greece). So it's really funny thing that for Greeks Little Rus' (Little Russia) as they called Ukraine (Rus') meant Rus' itself while Great Russia meant foreign colonies of Rus'. But modern Muscovites ("Russians") genuinely think that "Great Russia" means that they are great or something while it actually means that they are territories formerly colonized by Rus' )
@@nortons7040 thanks, Norton! Very interesting! How can you comment on "Belaya Rus" as a separate state now or as a historical teritory: what is it with regard to the idea that Small Rus means the heartland and Great Rus is remote colonized territories? What is Belarus (White Rus) from your Ukrainian Perspektive?is
@@ДмитрийСоколов-о8в1б It's not "Ukrainian perspective" - it's objective truth which, by the way, I've learned at first from renown Russian historian (the real one, who works with historical documents in Saint Petersburg State University). IDK regarding "Belaya Rus" - probably it's kind of "poetic" given name which was not in use when actual Rus' existed. Initially Rus' included only Kyiv, Chernihiv, Pereyaslav and later Halych principalities and in annals we can read that Kyivan princes, for example, are going from Rus' to Novgorod to collect tribute, which means that even Novgorod considered as colony and was not included into Rus' (Ukraine) itself. It was like Gallia or Britain to Rome. Principality of Polotsk also paid tribute to Kyiv and wasn't considered as part Rus'. Later they become a heartland of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and people from there were called by Ruthenians (Ukrainians) "Lytvyny" (not to be confused with Lithuanians) up until 20-th century. However while Rus' was a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (its full name included Rus' - "Magnus Ducatus Lithvaniae, Rusiae...") it has decisive cultural influence on those, mostly Baltic, people. There was even saying in the Grand Duchy that "Poland blooms in Latin, Lithuania blooms in Rusyn" - they've adopted Ruthenian language, literature, poetry, Law system, religion, etc, as it was superior to their culture and considered prestigious. So in a way they become Rus' - Belarussian language is the closest one to Ukrainian while anthropologically Lytvyns (Byelorussians) and Ukrainians are very different.
If I were writing fiction, just off the top of my head, the cross (the pinnacle of betrayal, brutality & the gruesome . . . which no parent would ever want a young child to even remotely see) could, one way, . . . finally . . . make sense, maybe like this:
In the very scene, the gruesome actuality, the resurrected one stands 42 feet from the foot of the cross (with blood still dripping but all breath, all movement, gone) with some friends, in passing, while they are on an adventure.
“Yea, that’s me, too.”
“But you’re standing right here, with us, as we all look in that direction, at that - how can that be you.”
“I know, right! There i am, completely dead. And here we are, completely alive. Pretty cool, huh?”
“So, if that’s you, and it’s completely True, you’re completely dead . . . and we’re here together right now, and it’s Completely True, how can both be at the same time?”
“Well, that completely sucked. Really, not a good day at all. And this, us together, it’s pretty great, huh?”
“You mean like a do-over?”
“Maybe more like a do-upper . . . “
“Are you guys done staring at that already?” the youngest kids in the quest, sing-out, with their trouble-making smiles. “We’re supposed to be glow-swimming with the others!”
And just like that, the landmark remained fixed there, for all eternity, while its reality by-proximity to all their new adventures together, became smaller and smaller, until it was only the faintest echo in a far-away land. Where they went on their quests, and all the others they are meeting, are stories which everyone can share, all who wish to join . . .
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