Question to all of you. What thumbnail are you seeing for this video? TH-cam is giving me my custom thumbnail in some views and then a random picture from the video in other views. What are you seeing?
It's a custom image for this episode. A split image with the drawing of a man climbing a tower on Rapunzel's hair on the left, and an image of hair and the text "Rapunzel and the symbolism of hair". Thank you for these symbolic interpretations. They are fascinating to listen to. I'm grateful that JBP introduced me to you. Have a nice day :)
Dear Jonathan, I have a masters in catholic theology and work as a school teacher. I have recently discovered your channel and just wanted to say that the videos you make help me in my personal spiritual growth and understanding, but also help me in my work, which is teaching children. God bless you!
How well do your students take to symbolism, do they get it? Does it help them think differently about the world and notice the underlying meaning of things?
I have students age 6 to 19. To the smaller children I just tell stories. They love that, and the deeper the symbolism of the story, the more immersed they will be. To the older students I sometimes show icons related to the current feasts and explain symbolism contained and sometimes I explain the underlying meaning of a particular story in order to deepen their often shallow understanding of certain aspects of christianity.
I was raised in a relatively hardline Protestant anti-ornamenation culture. Your videos have been part of my journey to a more complete and nuanced view on the topic. Thankyou for your work Mr Pageau.
I too was raised firmly protestant, and I was raised with nothing but unfair caricatures of the ornation and symbolism of the liturgical churches. It's so refreshing to see this side of the liturgy. I can finally see some things I had never seen before.
I just watched Tangled this week with my wife and son. No joke during the movie i began to wonder....i wonder what Pageau would have to say about this. Thanks for all you do
I'm reminded a little of the biblical narrative in which the ancient Israelites are given all these external "ladders of glory" like you were talking about, like the law, the temple, and other ornamentations, as a means to climb closer to God, and how later on the Israelites grow more and more dependent on the external ornamentation for its own sake to the point that the pharisees don't even recognize God in the person of Jesus when they encounter him - as though they've been tricked by a witch by the very hair they thought they were climbing to get to the princess, and subsequently blinded by the thorns. It's coincidental that someone like Saul, later Paul would be brought to the Church after encountering the voice of God while blind, and that those who would follow that same voice should be met with someone who would heal them.
In Ferdowsi's Book of Kings also called the Shahnameh. There is a more literal version of Rapunzel, it is still symbolic but has some interesting reversals. It also streamlines the symbolism by focusing just on Rapunzel her parents and the Prince. The back story to this version of the story is that Zal the Prince and Rudebah (Rapunzel) come from rival Kingdoms that were frequently at war, Rudebah's ancestors included a King who fed Zal's people to snakes. Zal which may be a source for the Zel in Rapunzel means old. Zal was born with a full head of grey hair which freaked out his parents enough to abandon him as a baby, he was saved and raised by a Roc or Phoenix. The Prince eventually wins the respect of his Kingdom and is welcomed back home. Flash forward many years he is on a journey (something to do with hunting African witches if memory serves correctly.) He comes to Rudebah's father's castle and learns that she is being held in a tower by her overprotective parents. Zal comes to the wall and the Princess offers to let him climb up her hair. He says no he brought a rope and doesn't want to hurt her. The version I was told lists a lot of fragrances coming from her hair that those familiar with the Enoch literature will recognize as being those of Eden. He rescues and marries her. The magical bird stepmother of Zal is summoned by him, from a feather she gave him, to save the life of the Princess who would have died in childbirth without the herbs the bird had flown in. They have a giant son due to the underlying symbolism that Zal was from a good God fearing Kingdom, (presumably the Persian Kingdom later associated with the Magi of the New Testament) and thus could be one of the Sons of God and Ruedebah is from a family who lost the Kingdom due to tyranny and idol worship, making her a Daughter of Men. Way too long but I hope you find this a useful addition to the conversation.
I'm happy you refrenced Matthieu's book again. Your previous praise caused me to buy it, and it's fantastic! Everything from alchemy to the 4 Humors suddenly makes sense. Even old book covers have messages that I can understand now! I tell people it's like learning emojis and suddenly text messages make sense, only it's learning the emojis of past. Please thank him for me!
After watching Vervaeke’s new series this video got me thinking of salience and The Bs that he has been talking about. Just connecting dots. Thanks for all the hard work JP
Great video. Here is how I see it... The typical devouring mother locks the daughter away from the world. Rapunzel is the only person who has the ability to let anyone in her life. Of course, being completely naive, she lets her devouring mother in. Her mother, like a codependent parent, needs her daughter all to herself. When she reveals to her mother that she is heavier than the boy who climbs up, she is revealing that her mother is a burden and is difficult to allow into her life. The mother reacts the same as any codependent, devouring mother would--freaking out and damaging the a beautiful part of her daughter. This is the "If I can't have you, no one can" attitude that codependent parents often have. She wanders through the wilderness broken, afraid, changed, and views herself as less beautiful; her mother took a part of her that can never be recovered. The prince discovers that Rapunzel had left her old comfortable world and is no longer there. The witch, pushes him out the window and causes him to lose his vision. Scared, confused, and disillusioned, the price wanders. The Prince and Rapunzel, both symbolically fragmented, find each other and are able to accept their broken selves allowing them to overcome their shortcomings. I have lived through this story. I'm the prince. Devouring mothers are real and are monstrous. But I'm done wandering blindly and am eager to marry Rapunzel.
I just watched Disney’s Tangled with my girlfriend last night and the Jungian symbolism was so apparent as well. That film really nails the narcissist parent and devouring mother.
Brian N watch this channel long enough and you will, like me, realize that jungian symbolism is downstream of orthodox symbolism, and that orthodox symbolism is more universally applicable. The reason for this is obvious enough when you realize that all symbolism is predicated on the fact that God created the heavens and the earth, and that everything in creation complements and parallels each other structurally in such a way as to be "symbolic" to the human mind. precisely because the one who fashioned it all has a steady and consistent hand!
Yeah even the changes they made in the movie fit the symbolism of the witch hiding behind the hair, like how the witch in tangled is actually very old but appears young and beautiful
Fascinating as always. However, this was all from the point of view of the prince. What about how the hair helps Rapunzel? The idea that the body can be trusted as a way of escaping the devouring mother - this is Bettelheims suggestion in “Sources of Enchantment” but he doesn’t elaborate. There’s the obvious sense of attracting a mate using ornamentation to escape a corrupted family but it seems to go deeper than this.
Very interesting. The Symbolism of hair in Judaism is more focused on the aspect of emanation from the inside toward outside. Jewish traditions around growing hair relate to the emanation of light from certain places of the head particularly. The Sidelocks represent the emanation of wisdom from the temples.
"Ever desireless one can see the mystery, Ever desiring one can only see manifestations, And the mystery itself is the gateway to all understanding" The Tao Te Ching Verse 1 Wow that video helped me to understand that line like nothing else, the ladder can get you closer to the mystery but that's all it should be treated as.
I was reminded of the Crown of Thorns on the head of Christ and can't help but see some relationship to this topic. The Crown of Thorns is put on the head of the Christ, over his hair, as an ornament and a mockery by his tormentors, as both a symbol of the earned Glory of a king and of his imminent Death; the Prince, deceived by the Witch and by his own blindness, ends up falling from the hair into the bush of thorns, becoming blind in the process. I don't see yet the pattern clearly but I really believe it's there. Hoped you would've mentioned this relation in the video.
Hair is glory, thorns are the curse of man. Rapunzel is the same story as the crown of thorns, but with the sexual dynamic played with a little. The man's heart is for the woman, but the witch (serpent) uses the woman (the glory of man) to tempt him: he follows her glory instead of leading her as the glory of God. So they are thrown out of the high place - but instead of the due death from the fall, she is shamed (glory reduced) and he is cursed (lands in thorns). He is doomed to blindly wander the wilderness. He is restored through suffering (tears), given another chance to represent God in leading the woman in marriage (imaging the relationship between God and man) and tame the wilderness, creating a kingdom with their offspring (becoming a castle, the new high place). Jesus's crown of thorns not only declares him to be the cursed King, but also hints that his curse is his glory. Jesus gives his life (body/bread and blood/wine) to become our Passover Lamb, sparing us from death so that through sharing in his suffering (tears) we have our sight restored and can follow him in covenant (marriage) and enter the kingdom of God.
I was familiar with the reference to Beatrice. The moral in that story was very explicit. I really enjoyed listening about a story that doesn't spell it out for us. I thought it was about an evil witch who got payback so don't be like her. I googled 'folk stories about hair. There's lots of them. It'll be fun interpreting them in this light. I must watch Tangled as well, mentioned earlier in the comments.
Good video, very interesting. This is kinda a sidenote, but have you seen _Tangled_ and if so, what do you think about the swapping-out and shuffling of plot elements therein (besides the normal Disneyfication, or including it if you're up to it) and what does it change on a symbolic level? (A lot, I presume.)
Dr. Michael Heiser has an interesting historical/cultural exploration of hair in Ancient Greece and the New Testament context, in his The Naked Bible podcast and here on yt.
That was both awesome and also funny. It was valuable but hard to listen to with a straight face because I don't normally take hair so seriously. eg 9:4912:49
Jonathan, I'm looking for the video in which you speak on the symbolism of the modern day protestant church which reflects the amphitheater entertainment style while other traditional churches place the stage higher than the level of the people to symbolize something greater/higher. Do you remember which video this is? I've been searching for it for months.
This fairy tales-Rapunzel- mirrors many of the motifs in the biblical story of Adam and Eve. Rapunzel is punished for something her parents ate- a forbidden fruit or food - just like the human race that was punished because of Adam and Eve's disobedience. Rapunzel is kicked out of her safe tower to suffer in the outer world, until she meets her prince - Christ like figure.
In the original story as you told it, Rapunzel was the daughter of someone so poor they could not even afford cabbages. Then at some point in your narrative, you start calling her a princess. And I know there are versions of the story where she is a princess from the beginning and is kidnapped from her royal parents. I wonder if you know anything about how the story developed overtime so that she is no longer the daughter of poverty but a princess. What difference do you think that makes in the story and its symbolism?
Yes, I think you are right that she is a popper, but that I call her a princess because of the final place she will occupy, and possibly also because I was too influenced by the Disney movie. Thanks for pointing that out. It does make a difference in the symbolism, because the popper becoming a princess has to do with finding the hidden pearl, the precious think which is hidden in the wilderness, etc.
Rapunzel hair is double helix dna or body or spirit. The Prince cannot achieve Enlightment (Rapunzel the 7th chakra) trapped in materialism and outward ritualistic and failed his meditation. Rapunzel is name from Rampion, a purple flower. Purple is the color of 7th chakra and flower is symbol of chakra. In Asia, they used lotus.
I thought that Rapunzel’s hair resembles a man’s desire for someone that every man wants. Someone that is very attractive and wanted by all men. He got rejected and he was hurt. She finds him and he feels better. Hair often symbolizes wisdom. Twins can also be thought of the Gemini.
Interesting. Now I wonder, The Virgin Mary has been depicted wearing hair cover. If hair is ornament that will lead man to God or astray - what is the symbolism of this hair cover? Also other religion like Islam and Jewish also have the tradition for their females to wear hair cover, hijab etc.
As I understand it, it's a sign of modesty. I think Jonathan mentioned it in his previous video about hair. And one purpose of modesty would be to not rely on the externals too much and instead improve your spirit to become a better being, to increase your "glory" in the world. When we rely too much on our garments of skin (pretty clothes, wealth, jewelry, etc.) we become too vain and empty inside. Using an analogy of a woman's beauty: a woman should have some modesty to attract a man who would value her spirit and not just her body. It seems to be another one of those balancing acts. And also, I don't think hair as an ornament in itself can lead you to God. Hair is only a sign of beauty/strength/health. it's a light of glory of creation. But it can be something dead, meaningless at the same time that will show you a fake glory and that will lead you astray if you only follow what shines. It's like with the saying, all that glitters is not gold.
@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma Thanks. That makes sense. I wonder if the purpose that women should cover her head, just for men sake. Like feminist argument, that this is a form of oppression. And Rapunzel also can be viewed with this lens. Everything can be viewed with this lens. Oppression towards women. But head cover particulary, because it only directs to the hair of a woman not men. Like you said, men have the inclination to be attracted to external ornamen of women. But we women also can prone to do that, especially status - money, etc. I wonder if there is symbolism also for this.
There is long tradition of Christian women also covering full time. There is a small niche of Christian woman here in America as well. You take the Bible verse Pray at all times without ceasing. (1 Thess 5:17) and combine it with 1 cor 11:2-16 and you get full time headcovering.
@@neptunejoo You ask interesting questions. I can only say something about the feminist vision of oppression. It's an oppression only if men are forcing things on women and it's an oppressive culture only if it's skewed against women in the sense of double standards. But some standards need to be double because for example a women is much, much more of an object of desire than man's body is. And man should work harder on being gentle because it is them who often tend to be aggressive, rough and so on. I would say that covering women's hair or even face is a relic of ancient times when in today's world you can see women with huge cleavage or half of their back naked, super short skirts that make underwear visible, etc. Now, do normal man have a problem with that? At some occasions yes, because it distracts them and arouses them when it's unnecessary. So I'd say it is kind of rude towards men in certain cases. But it's not that men don't like women to walk the streets even naked. Oh, I'm sure they would love that. But if both sexes wanted to act civilized toward each other we shouldn't disturb each others peace of mind in a public space. That's all there is to it. But, again, it should be a choice of a women how she wishes to be perceived. And it's men's obligation in this case to control their behavior, even if a woman is scantily clothed. So it's a favor that women do for men, when their are modest in their appearance. Just like, men shouldn't act like mucho dickheads all of the time just to show how much testosterone/libido they have or bragging how cool they are. That just my humble opinion. Sorry for the wall of text, I am unable to speak my mind in short form. 😓
@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma That's fine that you do. I have hard time to articulate my mind too in short paragraph. Just so you know, as woman I also cannot focus when a very attractive lady wears something noticeable. Sometimes I wonder if makeup is a form of vanity in women.
Hmm. It seems like I do that all the time. But one cannot fully step out of one's particularity. Those who pretend they can are often the worst bullshitters.
@@Astavyastataa Depends on your definition of archaic, and relationship to Pakistan. The use of intimidation by force and appearance is both archaic and modern, although, one can only hope the consciousness of community is moving away from dominance as a mode of transformation. After some thought I recognize my inability to understand the symbolism completely. There are faiths that don't wear mustaches precisely to protest military/dominance, conscription and war in general.
Rapunsel hair = beauty; Discovering witch behind hair = discovering bitchy women, loosing sigt = becoming imune to her external beauty, lost in woods = broken heart and lost ideals. Hearing her voice = reconsiliation with her in truth and persona; Tears healing sight = forgiving her and throu it seeing again her beauty. Its a story about relationships and woman nature.
so then wouldn’t the Bible and the whole image of Christianity be a ladder in the same way as Rapunzel hair? It’s the description of an interpretation not the thing itself.
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Question to all of you. What thumbnail are you seeing for this video? TH-cam is giving me my custom thumbnail in some views and then a random picture from the video in other views. What are you seeing?
Your face, white background
Although others see a smirking white man who likes Jordan Peterson and they are sure... SURE that he’s a “racist” 😂
#CNN
I see your thumbnail
It's a custom image for this episode. A split image with the drawing of a man climbing a tower on Rapunzel's hair on the left, and an image of hair and the text "Rapunzel and the symbolism of hair".
Thank you for these symbolic interpretations. They are fascinating to listen to. I'm grateful that JBP introduced me to you. Have a nice day :)
I see the same as Petar Stamenkovic.
I also got to know you thanks to JBP :)
Dear Jonathan,
I have a masters in catholic theology and work as a school teacher. I have recently discovered your channel and just wanted to say that the videos you make help me in my personal spiritual growth and understanding, but also help me in my work, which is teaching children.
God bless you!
How well do your students take to symbolism, do they get it? Does it help them think differently about the world and notice the underlying meaning of things?
I have students age 6 to 19. To the smaller children I just tell stories. They love that, and the deeper the symbolism of the story, the more immersed they will be.
To the older students I sometimes show icons related to the current feasts and explain symbolism contained and sometimes I explain the underlying meaning of a particular story in order to deepen their often shallow understanding of certain aspects of christianity.
I was raised in a relatively hardline Protestant anti-ornamenation culture. Your videos have been part of my journey to a more complete and nuanced view on the topic. Thankyou for your work Mr Pageau.
I too was raised firmly protestant, and I was raised with nothing but unfair caricatures of the ornation and symbolism of the liturgical churches. It's so refreshing to see this side of the liturgy. I can finally see some things I had never seen before.
I just watched Tangled this week with my wife and son. No joke during the movie i began to wonder....i wonder what Pageau would have to say about this. Thanks for all you do
Maybe you have high intuition and long hair. Long hair represents antenna and information hehe
I'm reminded a little of the biblical narrative in which the ancient Israelites are given all these external "ladders of glory" like you were talking about, like the law, the temple, and other ornamentations, as a means to climb closer to God, and how later on the Israelites grow more and more dependent on the external ornamentation for its own sake to the point that the pharisees don't even recognize God in the person of Jesus when they encounter him - as though they've been tricked by a witch by the very hair they thought they were climbing to get to the princess, and subsequently blinded by the thorns. It's coincidental that someone like Saul, later Paul would be brought to the Church after encountering the voice of God while blind, and that those who would follow that same voice should be met with someone who would heal them.
Hey, thanks for making me think so much. )
In Ferdowsi's Book of Kings also called the Shahnameh. There is a more literal version of Rapunzel, it is still symbolic but has some interesting reversals. It also streamlines the symbolism by focusing just on Rapunzel her parents and the Prince. The back story to this version of the story is that Zal the Prince and Rudebah (Rapunzel) come from rival Kingdoms that were frequently at war, Rudebah's ancestors included a King who fed Zal's people to snakes. Zal which may be a source for the Zel in Rapunzel means old. Zal was born with a full head of grey hair which freaked out his parents enough to abandon him as a baby, he was saved and raised by a Roc or Phoenix. The Prince eventually wins the respect of his Kingdom and is welcomed back home. Flash forward many years he is on a journey (something to do with hunting African witches if memory serves correctly.) He comes to Rudebah's father's castle and learns that she is being held in a tower by her overprotective parents. Zal comes to the wall and the Princess offers to let him climb up her hair. He says no he brought a rope and doesn't want to hurt her. The version I was told lists a lot of fragrances coming from her hair that those familiar with the Enoch literature will recognize as being those of Eden. He rescues and marries her. The magical bird stepmother of Zal is summoned by him, from a feather she gave him, to save the life of the Princess who would have died in childbirth without the herbs the bird had flown in. They have a giant son due to the underlying symbolism that Zal was from a good God fearing Kingdom, (presumably the Persian Kingdom later associated with the Magi of the New Testament) and thus could be one of the Sons of God and Ruedebah is from a family who lost the Kingdom due to tyranny and idol worship, making her a Daughter of Men. Way too long but I hope you find this a useful addition to the conversation.
I always thought of this as such a weird tale. Now it makes perfect sense. Can you do rumpelstiltskin too?
I really hope he sees your comment and decides to do it
Great video, I loved the part about trusting only in the external
You have a talent for making such in-depth concepts really interesting. Thanks for the awesome videos!
I'm happy you refrenced Matthieu's book again. Your previous praise caused me to buy it, and it's fantastic! Everything from alchemy to the 4 Humors suddenly makes sense. Even old book covers have messages that I can understand now! I tell people it's like learning emojis and suddenly text messages make sense, only it's learning the emojis of past. Please thank him for me!
As a man trying to figure out and navigate the mystery that is the feminine, thank you for this. This is good stuff.
After watching Vervaeke’s new series this video got me thinking of salience and The Bs that he has been talking about. Just connecting dots. Thanks for all the hard work JP
whoohoo! Fresh content! Thanks for the tip!
Great video. Here is how I see it...
The typical devouring mother locks the daughter away from the world. Rapunzel is the only person who has the ability to let anyone in her life. Of course, being completely naive, she lets her devouring mother in. Her mother, like a codependent parent, needs her daughter all to herself. When she reveals to her mother that she is heavier than the boy who climbs up, she is revealing that her mother is a burden and is difficult to allow into her life. The mother reacts the same as any codependent, devouring mother would--freaking out and damaging the a beautiful part of her daughter. This is the "If I can't have you, no one can" attitude that codependent parents often have. She wanders through the wilderness broken, afraid, changed, and views herself as less beautiful; her mother took a part of her that can never be recovered. The prince discovers that Rapunzel had left her old comfortable world and is no longer there. The witch, pushes him out the window and causes him to lose his vision. Scared, confused, and disillusioned, the price wanders. The Prince and Rapunzel, both symbolically fragmented, find each other and are able to accept their broken selves allowing them to overcome their shortcomings.
I have lived through this story. I'm the prince. Devouring mothers are real and are monstrous. But I'm done wandering blindly and am eager to marry Rapunzel.
Hope you don't find her until she's lost her hair....
Good interpretation
I just watched Disney’s Tangled with my girlfriend last night and the Jungian symbolism was so apparent as well. That film really nails the narcissist parent and devouring mother.
Brian N watch this channel long enough and you will, like me, realize that jungian symbolism is downstream of orthodox symbolism, and that orthodox symbolism is more universally applicable. The reason for this is obvious enough when you realize that all symbolism is predicated on the fact that God created the heavens and the earth, and that everything in creation complements and parallels each other structurally in such a way as to be "symbolic" to the human mind. precisely because the one who fashioned it all has a steady and consistent hand!
Zach Knox well put!
Yeah even the changes they made in the movie fit the symbolism of the witch hiding behind the hair, like how the witch in tangled is actually very old but appears young and beautiful
Fascinating as always. However, this was all from the point of view of the prince. What about how the hair helps Rapunzel? The idea that the body can be trusted as a way of escaping the devouring mother - this is Bettelheims suggestion in “Sources of Enchantment” but he doesn’t elaborate. There’s the obvious sense of attracting a mate using ornamentation to escape a corrupted family but it seems to go deeper than this.
Time to let our Hair Down!!Love This!! Thank You So Much!!YOLO don't let anyone hold you back!!Xx
Look forward to the QA!
Very interesting. The Symbolism of hair in Judaism is more focused on the aspect of emanation from the inside toward outside.
Jewish traditions around growing hair relate to the emanation of light from certain places of the head particularly. The Sidelocks represent the emanation of wisdom from the temples.
@@CroMagnon42 wow cool!
Why do women shave off their hair? :/
@@ellenmalova3185 which women?
"Ever desireless one can see the mystery,
Ever desiring one can only see manifestations,
And the mystery itself is the gateway to all understanding" The Tao Te Ching Verse 1
Wow that video helped me to understand that line like nothing else, the ladder can get you closer to the mystery but that's all it should be treated as.
Extraordinary, thanks
I was reminded of the Crown of Thorns on the head of Christ and can't help but see some relationship to this topic.
The Crown of Thorns is put on the head of the Christ, over his hair, as an ornament and a mockery by his tormentors, as both a symbol of the earned Glory of a king and of his imminent Death; the Prince, deceived by the Witch and by his own blindness, ends up falling from the hair into the bush of thorns, becoming blind in the process.
I don't see yet the pattern clearly but I really believe it's there.
Hoped you would've mentioned this relation in the video.
Hair is glory, thorns are the curse of man.
Rapunzel is the same story as the crown of thorns, but with the sexual dynamic played with a little.
The man's heart is for the woman, but the witch (serpent) uses the woman (the glory of man) to tempt him: he follows her glory instead of leading her as the glory of God. So they are thrown out of the high place - but instead of the due death from the fall, she is shamed (glory reduced) and he is cursed (lands in thorns). He is doomed to blindly wander the wilderness. He is restored through suffering (tears), given another chance to represent God in leading the woman in marriage (imaging the relationship between God and man) and tame the wilderness, creating a kingdom with their offspring (becoming a castle, the new high place).
Jesus's crown of thorns not only declares him to be the cursed King, but also hints that his curse is his glory. Jesus gives his life (body/bread and blood/wine) to become our Passover Lamb, sparing us from death so that through sharing in his suffering (tears) we have our sight restored and can follow him in covenant (marriage) and enter the kingdom of God.
@@gracefool
Thank you gracefool, that was a very thoughtful answer and interpretation.
I was familiar with the reference to Beatrice. The moral in that story was very explicit. I really enjoyed listening about a story that doesn't spell it out for us. I thought it was about an evil witch who got payback so don't be like her. I googled 'folk stories about hair. There's lots of them. It'll be fun interpreting them in this light. I must watch Tangled as well, mentioned earlier in the comments.
Love this
LOved it. Thanks
This is gold.
Good video, very interesting.
This is kinda a sidenote, but have you seen _Tangled_ and if so, what do you think about the swapping-out and shuffling of plot elements therein (besides the normal Disneyfication, or including it if you're up to it) and what does it change on a symbolic level? (A lot, I presume.)
Thank you. What do you think of symbolism in Aladdin (1992)? Maybe symbolism in this movie is worth exploring?
Amazing!
Thoughts on why in some versions of the Rapunzel story the witch visits during the day and the prince at night?
Would very much like to hear your interpretation of the film TRON Legacy (2010)
The more I see it the more the symbols I discover.
Dr. Michael Heiser has an interesting historical/cultural exploration of hair in Ancient Greece and the New Testament context, in his The Naked Bible podcast and here on yt.
That was both awesome and also funny. It was valuable but hard to listen to with a straight face because I don't normally take hair so seriously. eg 9:49 12:49
Maybe you lacked the strength and wisdom to see beyond the externals of hair :D
@@corettaha7855 you are right... I did lack the strength to see beyond hair. Now my eyelashes have been opened... ❤️
Great!
What was the thorn?
Can you do a video about cephalaphores?
Is this basically the integration of the man (animus) and his anima?
Jonathan, I'm looking for the video in which you speak on the symbolism of the modern day protestant church which reflects the amphitheater entertainment style while other traditional churches place the stage higher than the level of the people to symbolize something greater/higher. Do you remember which video this is? I've been searching for it for months.
Not sure when I address this specifically, Sacre Space in Secular Terms maybe?
@@JonathanPageau I'll take a look at that one again. Thanks for getting back so quickly.
This fairy tales-Rapunzel- mirrors many of the motifs in the biblical story of Adam and Eve. Rapunzel is punished for something her parents ate- a forbidden fruit or food - just like the human race that was punished because of Adam and Eve's disobedience. Rapunzel is kicked out of her safe tower to suffer in the outer world, until she meets her prince - Christ like figure.
In the original story as you told it, Rapunzel was the daughter of someone so poor they could not even afford cabbages. Then at some point in your narrative, you start calling her a princess. And I know there are versions of the story where she is a princess from the beginning and is kidnapped from her royal parents. I wonder if you know anything about how the story developed overtime so that she is no longer the daughter of poverty but a princess. What difference do you think that makes in the story and its symbolism?
Yes, I think you are right that she is a popper, but that I call her a princess because of the final place she will occupy, and possibly also because I was too influenced by the Disney movie. Thanks for pointing that out. It does make a difference in the symbolism, because the popper becoming a princess has to do with finding the hidden pearl, the precious think which is hidden in the wilderness, etc.
@@JonathanPageau that's big of you to admit the mistake. (I assume you mean "pauper" rather than "popper", above. Very clear account -- thanks.
@@simonmotorbike A mistake in my reply to you noticing a mistake. Hmm.
@@JonathanPageau Yeah but Simon didn't end his parenthesis.
@@BooBarr this thread is a trainwreck
I see a vintage illustration of the rapunzel letting down her hair
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Samson lose his power when dalila cut his hair...
Yeah the art definitely🙉🙊🙈
I found a hair that wasn't mine next to my bed this morning. I live alone.
Thanks a bunch Jonathan! I think I`m going insane
Noticed this when I went to Rome. With the saturation of Christian art, it's easy to lose track of Christ.
Especially with the overt sensuality of the Renaissance artists.
Very helpful as a new Orthodox. Is it right to love the ornamentation of the church, so long as we don't treat/worship the building itself as Christ?
Of course. We venerate the manner in which God shows himself to us, and we worship God alone.
Isn't Rapunzel based on Saint Barbara? She, too, was locked up in a tower.
Rapunzel was the ultimate feminine
Can you say more about veiling and the symbolic meaning of why the Bible exhorts women to cover their hair and why men shouldn't cover their heads?
Rapunzel hair is double helix dna or body or spirit. The Prince cannot achieve Enlightment (Rapunzel the 7th chakra) trapped in materialism and outward ritualistic and failed his meditation.
Rapunzel is name from Rampion, a purple flower. Purple is the color of 7th chakra and flower is symbol of chakra. In Asia, they used lotus.
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I thought that Rapunzel’s hair resembles a man’s desire for someone that every man wants. Someone that is very attractive and wanted by all men. He got rejected and he was hurt. She finds him and he feels better. Hair often symbolizes wisdom. Twins can also be thought of the Gemini.
Interesting. Now I wonder, The Virgin Mary has been depicted wearing hair cover. If hair is ornament that will lead man to God or astray - what is the symbolism of this hair cover?
Also other religion like Islam and Jewish also have the tradition for their females to wear hair cover, hijab etc.
As I understand it, it's a sign of modesty. I think Jonathan mentioned it in his previous video about hair. And one purpose of modesty would be to not rely on the externals too much and instead improve your spirit to become a better being, to increase your "glory" in the world. When we rely too much on our garments of skin (pretty clothes, wealth, jewelry, etc.) we become too vain and empty inside. Using an analogy of a woman's beauty: a woman should have some modesty to attract a man who would value her spirit and not just her body. It seems to be another one of those balancing acts. And also, I don't think hair as an ornament in itself can lead you to God. Hair is only a sign of beauty/strength/health. it's a light of glory of creation. But it can be something dead, meaningless at the same time that will show you a fake glory and that will lead you astray if you only follow what shines. It's like with the saying, all that glitters is not gold.
@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma Thanks. That makes sense. I wonder if the purpose that women should cover her head, just for men sake. Like feminist argument, that this is a form of oppression.
And Rapunzel also can be viewed with this lens. Everything can be viewed with this lens. Oppression towards women.
But head cover particulary, because it only directs to the hair of a woman not men.
Like you said, men have the inclination to be attracted to external ornamen of women. But we women also can prone to do that, especially status - money, etc. I wonder if there is symbolism also for this.
There is long tradition of Christian women also covering full time. There is a small niche of Christian woman here in America as well. You take the Bible verse Pray at all times without ceasing. (1 Thess 5:17) and combine it with 1 cor 11:2-16 and you get full time headcovering.
@@neptunejoo You ask interesting questions. I can only say something about the feminist vision of oppression. It's an oppression only if men are forcing things on women and it's an oppressive culture only if it's skewed against women in the sense of double standards. But some standards need to be double because for example a women is much, much more of an object of desire than man's body is. And man should work harder on being gentle because it is them who often tend to be aggressive, rough and so on.
I would say that covering women's hair or even face is a relic of ancient times when in today's world you can see women with huge cleavage or half of their back naked, super short skirts that make underwear visible, etc. Now, do normal man have a problem with that? At some occasions yes, because it distracts them and arouses them when it's unnecessary. So I'd say it is kind of rude towards men in certain cases. But it's not that men don't like women to walk the streets even naked. Oh, I'm sure they would love that. But if both sexes wanted to act civilized toward each other we shouldn't disturb each others peace of mind in a public space. That's all there is to it. But, again, it should be a choice of a women how she wishes to be perceived. And it's men's obligation in this case to control their behavior, even if a woman is scantily clothed. So it's a favor that women do for men, when their are modest in their appearance. Just like, men shouldn't act like mucho dickheads all of the time just to show how much testosterone/libido they have or bragging how cool they are. That just my humble opinion. Sorry for the wall of text, I am unable to speak my mind in short form. 😓
@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigma That's fine that you do. I have hard time to articulate my mind too in short paragraph. Just so you know, as woman I also cannot focus when a very attractive lady wears something noticeable. Sometimes I wonder if makeup is a form of vanity in women.
Are you able to step outside your Christian perspective to explore the more archaic, other culture perspectives?
Hmm. It seems like I do that all the time. But one cannot fully step out of one's particularity. Those who pretend they can are often the worst bullshitters.
OK so where is the symbolism of hair from a Buddhist, Taoist or Muslim perspective, or the perspectives of Oceania? @@JonathanPageau
For instance the mustaches of the Pakistani Police?
Cm Justice how is Pakistan “more archaic” than Christianity lmao.
@@Astavyastataa Depends on your definition of archaic, and relationship to Pakistan. The use of intimidation by force and appearance is both archaic and modern, although, one can only hope the consciousness of community is moving away from dominance as a mode of transformation. After some thought I recognize my inability to understand the symbolism completely. There are faiths that don't wear mustaches precisely to protest military/dominance, conscription and war in general.
Rapunsel hair = beauty; Discovering witch behind hair = discovering bitchy women, loosing sigt = becoming imune to her external beauty, lost in woods = broken heart and lost ideals. Hearing her voice = reconsiliation with her in truth and persona; Tears healing sight = forgiving her and throu it seeing again her beauty. Its a story about relationships and woman nature.
so then wouldn’t the Bible and the whole image of Christianity be a ladder in the same way as Rapunzel hair? It’s the description of an interpretation not the thing itself.
Luthien would kick rapunzels ass. Just sayin.