You should be very pleased with the videos you put out. All of your stuff is independently verifiable and you clearly mark the basis of your analysis on what is reasonable rather then what draws the most clicks. I hope you continue to do these as long as you feel you have something to contribute since they are an excellent digestable format for those who don't have the time nor technical experience to do all the legwork needed to come to the same conclusion.
I love your videos but in this one I wouldn’t call the leak a leak if they were televising it they wanted somebody to know because he’s paranoid bastards would not of televised it otherwise
@Craig 1. It's funny how the troglodytic putin supporters all respond to the wrong comment. Room temperature IQs. 2. Moskva was definitively sunk, so I don't know what you mean by your 'you wish' comment.
Ah so you're the guy from that submarine site!? I must say every time I ended up on there because of those fantastic renderings and drawings I was stricken by the effort and passion. Wonderful content!
Mr Sutton...I've just discovered your channel and now regard it as the gold standard. Excellent level balanced presentation with superb detail. Thank you for all your hard work.
Perhaps the primary goal is providing deterrence against a carrier battle group with those large nuclear torpedoes? Russia knows it will always be outnumbered at sea so this makes even a small fleet a threat to a larger cbg. For e.g. during the 1971 Bangladesh war of Independence, Task force 74 was about to enforce a no fly-zone over India but the presence of a smaller Soviet fleet(with a nuclear sub) drove up the risk factor and the cbg did not get involved.
Considering how strained is Russia's military budget, I bet they're thinking of various use options to milk value out of such an expensive engineering feat.
@@ulrichkristensen4087 "They guarantee!" Who guarantees? Americans with their "triumphs" of modernization in 1988? Do not make me laugh. Watch a Hollywood movie "about invincible heroic brave Americans" and don't anger Great Russia...
I have a theory, The belgorod's loshark, has a secondary function besides espionage. It is meant to dive extremely deep and recovery a spent or deactivated nuclear powered torpedo. Say the russain deploy the weapon debace they fear nuclear escalation, to generate second strike capability in case russia itself, and its other traditional nuclear delivery systems, are destroyed. But war is averted, and well you can't exactly back this huge torpedo back into its tube, like regular test torpedos you need someone to go dive down and recover it. Hence loshark.
Yeah, but you can tell the Poseidon to drive itself into the White sea, come to the surface and stop there or sink to the relatively shallow bottom. No need to unnecessarily risk that weapon getting into adversary hands.
@@JainZar1 Agreed. I just imagined that they might recover it near nato shores if it ran out of energy. Yeah I get it nuclear power, but if that's the case and it does have that kind of range, then why use a submarine delivery mechanism at all? tactical huge nuclear torpedo? quicker delliery time? for a relatively slow, compared to a missile, second strike capability? as a first strike weapon? maybe not
@@farisshaikh1026 Would you want a doomsday device that is first strike capable just loitering around during peacetime? Controlled by an AI that just gets daily or weekly updates? Soviets/Russians have long had deadmen switches for their arsenal and there have been instances where the computers were wrong. Having a human in the loop might be a sanity check that gets discarded if Russia is at war.
Poseidon is an autonomous, AI-capable, nuclear-reactor powered weapon which once launched, can patrol the oceans on its own indefinitely, or lay low for years in the deep, evading detection. If a few dozen are released, then for the enemy sailing the oceans is a huge risk - its like walking on a minefield where the mines have brains and can corner you.
Why do you think that it is like a mine field? This is ridiculous. I know the project. It is not aimed to free ride in the oceans, blow up and contaminate US ports, neither a mine field. It is ridiculous. Status 6 and their launchers are not second strike weapons neither deterrent weapons neither anti air craft carrier weapon. Are you an expert? Don't say disparate.
@@fonesrphunny7242 Ok Joe. I cannot explain my sources but think just a little bit using the brain not the guts. I give you a few clues: 1. How many Sato 6 torpedoes a Bilgorod can carry? And why? 2. How many Bilgorod class submarines were originally planned? 3. What is the total megatonage of all weapons of Belgorod multiplied by (2)? Why? 4. What could be the largest fear of the military of a non maritime merchant superpower like Russia (teluric power in opposition to a maritime power like the USA)? 5. Why I need a submarine tzar bomb if an aircraft carrier is not my enemy and considering it could be zapped using supersonic (in the past) or hypersonic missiles (today)? 6. Why do someone need so enormous megatonage against carriers, destroyers and frigates of the US fleet?
@@KRYPTOS_K5 I'm a man of aviation, not naval warfare and I didn't ask for a riddle. If you can't provide a source where all of us can educate ourselves, we're sticking to our guts.
That was surprise for me but seems Russia the first country who can make chips without masks. Technically it might be better than classic ASML process. I think Russia capable to make great stuff
I think Belgorod is a poseidon carrier with the goal of making sure no navy can aproach Russia. In their propaganda Poseidon is an antonomous torpedo that can lie in wait or patrol for years but I think they are much too scared of it being hacked stolen or just malfunctioning to operate it like that. In all likelihood they will carry it on the Belgorod and release it for direct attack or ambush of an entire fleet battle group. Its large enough to carry a nuke of any size so we really are talking taking out an entire fleet and it need only be stealthy enough to hide its launch point and get close enought to the fleet for it to be unable to dissperse when it enters final aproach at top speed. While such an attack would kill tens of thousands it will only kill soldiers and cannot be mistaken as an attack on the population like a balistic missile lauchned at a fleet could. Basically saying yeah we took out your navy now you cant invade us. What are you gona do nuke our cities you know what happens next right?
What would happen next would be nuclear war lets hope that dosent happen.if Russia wiped out the us fleet they would launch nukes on Russia you should know how dumb our government is by now!
I remember the timing when Status-6 news started to appear on Russian TV. It was always in connection with US Prompt Global Strike doctrine and NATO's anti-missile systems in Europe. The "leak" had that exact timing, when we were opposing constuction of "anti-Iranian" missile base in Romania. So, yes, initially it was designed as a deterrent. But it's possible the brass is rethinking the purpose of the Poseidon. Could be a fleet killer now.
Have you considered the Belgorod's "torpedoes" are not true torpedoes at all. But rather nuclear powered drones. Designed to be deployed and loiter/linger indefinitely until recovered by the Loshark (or similar daughter sub).
Seems like based on name alone and its capabilities fleet killer is potential. Launch it from safe range, let it move to areas where enemy fleet, or valuable targets like aircraft carriers is moving, it can loiter or wait in way of the fleet and detonate when below it, sinking whole fleet by creating explosion below the ships and due energy release void would sink or capsize any ship too close to it. Imagine whole fleet deleted by one weapon.
doubtful it would deploy like this, target identification would be messy and communication potentially hard. you dont want to hit a tanker or carrier in peace time, and once fired i doubt communication be be easily maintained without indicating its location.
@@onuq3r4y478 rubbish. High bandwidth 2 way communication perhaps, but sending it commands to initiate a preprogrammed mission very easy, from hundreds of km away. Infrasound. Whales do it.
No we have intel on what they are. In the event of a Russia-NATO war these torpedo nukes are meant to take out European harbor cities making it impossible for America to reinforce Europe with weapons, petrol etc. through sea. They are undetectable with anything that we have today.
This is such a crazy submarine system! I feel like the reason the Russians have built this is because they can. Whether or not there is an obvious immediate need or advantage to these submarine systems, the only way to keep up expertise in building and operating these things is to keep on making and operating them.
Well, if EU tries to built smth like that its economy would collapse before lunch so i think russians have some stronger motivation than just "c'mon Vlad why not?" :D
They have a job or two for it, you know, say things continue to go south say war breaks out BIG ONE with all those cables under the sea 98 percent of comuacions all interspterd or boomed well you live in the west you fock'ed no satellite, that's just another western delusion,
Мой друг учавствовал в строительстве этой субмарины в северодвинске, говорит она неимоверных размеров когда смотришь на неё с пирса, в прошлом году он видел как подвозили и загружали туда беспилотные торпеды, накрытые брезентом
Great video - :) @ 20:30 ish, I'd argue that the carrier strike group attacking feature of Poseidon is one of it's main functions, alongside its tactical coastal strike one. Consider that the nuclear warhead is used in more than one way, and tsunami generation is one of the primary attack uses ie very effective at coastal destruction and human life loss, and overwhelming ships with artificial waves. Furthermore the detonation of a large nuclear weapon below a carrier ground(100m's below) would initially generate devastating pressure waves(killing all humans nearby and damaging naval structures), but more importantly the vapourisation of the surrounding water, combined with the pressure waves and cavitation would greatly reduce any regional water bouyancy, so in effect it is an optimised weapon for this role, especially considering its AI control. Bloody terrifying!
Yeah the pressure from even a small nuclear weapon near a single ship, within 50-100 meters would probably capsize any ship. Certainly even a single kiloton direct hit in the right spot would sink any aircraft carrier. A 200 Megaton explosion in the center would capsize the entire battlegroup and destroy any submarines nearby. 200 megatons underwater would be fucking insane.
@@sexyitalian891the US actually made trials, Nuclear weapons make a huge explosion, but not a mega tsunami, it is eargass from the russians nothing more
the warhead on the Poseidon, as H.I. Sutton later pointed out in one of his articles, is likely 2 megaton at most. that one won't be splashing much water into a naval base, so i guess carrier fleet (especially US carrier battle group) is a more suitable & vulnerable target compared to an inshore sea port; for reference, the common search result for "underwater nuclear explosion" on TH-cam - the Hardtack Umbrella test in 1958, it was just a 8 kiloton warhead; imagine what a 2 megaton warhead could do to some ships
On the Poseidon: I think we'd have to do some calculations, because following it's role as a tactical nuclear weapon, it attacking fleet groups makes sense. The ship that gets hit by it is in my opinion destroyed. And many people say correctly, that a normal fleet group is spread too far apart for it's explosion to be a danger to other ships. However, I imagine that the waves on see, generated by the Poseidon might be enough to capsize most ships in the same fleet group. I mean that's heavily dependent on the force of the explosive as well as on the types of ships. But I also imagine that this might be for targeting ports. The submarine could be at a safe distance and fire it and basically render an entire military port useless.
You can’t create waves the magnitude needed to capsize in the middle of sea, you guys read some like insane propaganda to think nukes can create practically tsunamis
I would refer to the tests at bikini atoll, specifically the baker test which was an underwater detonation. Even vessels that suffered minimal structural damage were still close enough to the blast to be sprayed with water from the detonation and the US found those ships to be so radioactive that all the crew within would have died of radiation poisoning even if the vessel itself was still functional.
Something id like to add here. I think the whole point of Poseidon is that it can be fired from faaaaar far away and just autonomously roam around and go towards it's target. The thing itself is supposed to have mini nuclear reactor inside which pretty much means it has infinite power supply and can roam infinitely. When this is taken into account it's ok to assume that submarines wouldn't be approaching too much and just fire these things from far away which indicates very possible use of targeting ports without even getting the submarine close to the enemy shore. As for Yield ...well the info out there goes anywhere from 2 to 100 Mt which is ...big difference but 100 Mt doesn't sound too crazy either since Russia has had thermonukes of 60Mt since 60's. Next thing is ...even if it doesn't sink the ships (as other comment already mentioned) there's an issue of being irradiated, especially since this thing has its own nuclear reactor which would also explode along with the vehicle and spray radioactive material all over the place.
@@DJ-kr5zx It's interesting you would say this, but I believe it would make perfect sense to not even have a thermonuclear warhead on it. If the goal is to create a "dirty bomb" torpedo, all you would have to do is detonate conventional explosives and the reactor fallout will do the rest. In any case, these things are pretty terrifying since they can basically just loiter at the seabed for as long as required before climbing towards a target. Deep water ports would be particularly vulnerable, whereas shallower ones will have more warning, since the weapon will naturally have to lose depth as it approaches. I think our best defence would have to be sonar helicopters with depth charges, but for the future, organising a sonar buoy warning system around valuable ports would be prudent I think.
The size and depth of Poseidon would suggest its primary ability is not to attack surface vessels. It is more likely that a massive underwater detonation off the coast of California could trigger an earthquake and also a tidal wave to take out a large part of the west coast or a similar attack on NYC.
What an irony would that be. Once Russia has send two warship fleets to american costs to protect americans from europeans durin the civil war and now few centuries later Russia is sending there nuclear doomsday torpedoes. pretty sad actually. Like Russia tried to save the US from a horrible island zomby virus but failed and now have to fight those she wanted to save.
Considering all the info about the state of the Russian fleet that has leaked the last few months I wouldn't be surprised if this thing barely works and will spend 90% of its service life in drydock
To me it seems like a WW III war fighting weapons platform, with the Belgrod itself being that big mainly to host the Poseidon "torpedos" and to carry the "mini" sub. I would expect the Belgrod to position itself to start deploying the mini sub to begin taking out earth based communications lines between NATO and the U.S. (which in a general war would be done in conjunction with attempting to take out our satellites at the same time) and then when the U.S. Carrier Battle groups arrive on scene in the northern Atlantic the Poseidon which I will assume is some sort of housing device (a miniature autonomous sub if you will) for a cluster of small tactical nuke torpedoes would locate said carrier groups and then carry out multiple autonomous torpedo attacks. I don't see a point to having it be some sort of second strike nuke weapon, that makes no sense at all and there is also no need to have it be so big if it is just a lone torpedo meant to sink a carrier, as much smaller nuke torpedoes exist that will do that job just as good and much cheaper (a Ph.D. Aerospace Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
Carriers are essentially glorified pirate ships. Their job is to threaten trade routes. They are not much of a threat to Eurasia directly. They can potentially cut Africa, the Americas and Australia from Eurasia, so they are not entirely insignificant. The other thing is - nuclear weapons are a silly hoax, so carriers are protected by escorts.
Russia has always been looking for a way to counter the US Carriers. Those are the one thing that gives the US her current Naval Supremacy more than anything else. A long range nuclear torpedo would be the most effective way to take one out, honestly.
Unfortunately if we all worked together to better humanity, that would leave the door open for someone to wipe us out and dominate us all. It would happen, it’s human nature 😢
@@slakk5093 I know that but I meant in a hypothetical perfect world, without outside forces like aggressive aliens, I'm kinda hoping we do something like the humans in halo where we become the most feared warriors
@@daveo2992no, he means how in a power vacuum the most violent dictator wins control. It would take only one bad egg, thus, like communism you have to butcher all the bad eggs, and use any means to stay in power to prevent the bad eggs winning.
Imposible as humanity is flawed so there will allways be war an need for defence 2 there have been some advancments from wars that have benafits to all mankind the internet is one off the top of my head
Awesome video, love the calm details, not an ounce of sensationalism, just facts, or best guess on available information. No biased propaganda for either side! Keep it coming!!!
I wish the Russian Federation and the United States of America could be friendly. I wish we were allies instead of rivals. Imagine a world where international law is upheld by the strengths of both our mighty nations. Maybe someday we can put our differences aside and work together.
HI. Found your website many years ago. Love submarines and military tech. I’m currently active duty cryptologist so I love see all this osint content. I think you by far have the best content. Loving the content being moved to YT!
Nothing at that level is ever leaked by mistake. Belgorod will be to large for a deep dive too much straight area. Absolutely crap for spying but it could be a forward communication rig for hypersonic weapons or other late directional weapons hence the thrusters to maintain position and launch stability.
ppl in comment are somehow biased. Russia said what Kalibr was about to do and everybody laughed that they cant have such technology. In Ukraine we all saw what Kalibr did. They now saying what kind of torpedo they have. Everybody is AGAIN laughing. Do you want them to test it or what?
You mention poseidon is a nuclear powered unit and everybody seems to assume that means it has a reactor on board. It's far more likely that it's powered by an RTG than a reactor. That would then beg the question, is it capable of the high speeds sustained, or, does it use the RTG to charge batteries in order to give it ability for bursts of speed, and if so, how long is that burst ? Still capable of operating for decades without refuel of any type, but the RTG is a much smaller power source than a full on reactor running a pressure system. Another benefit of the RTG over a reactor, it's silent, not just quiet, it's silent. It can sit on station for years undetected by acoustics.
its probably a liquid metal reactor, either lead-coolant or sodium-coolant kind, which operates as relatively low pressure and therefore has a smaller size - as opposed to pressurized water reactor which requires a large & thick-walled boiling vessel similar reactors have been used on other soviet submarines, so i can see them putting an even smaller one into an UUV
why tf would they do that? Ukraine is completely in range of Russian ground missile systems. its like taking a car ride to a store that takes 5 minutes to walk to.
I really like this channel a lot. But the narration audio can sometimes be a little grading. There are some simple adjustments that can make the presentation smoother & uninterrupted. There’s some quick edits that’ll remove any hesitative “Stop & Go” narration (which is speaking then stopping w/ long gaps;2-3+seconds before speaking again). And depending on the type of mic you use, you may be able to adjust the settings to reduce/remove any unwanted audible inhale/exhale “suck n smack” breathing picked up by the microphone.
Personally, calling Poseidon a "Tactical" nuclear torpedo is ignoring geopolitics. Launching one is going to kick off nuclear war. Using one after the war has already started is just pissing in the ocean, you aren't going to hit anything with it that would make a difference. Frankly it would be more useful with a standard payload, it's long range makes it viable as a standoff weapon. Their shoehorning in the two midget subs is probably a response to the Kursk disaster. As they didn't have a way to save the crew back then, and it caused quite a stink at the time. While I appreciate the video, It's important to take it with a grain of salt. Russia is well known for their fake military projects. They built the sub, but what it's actually capable of is up for debate.
Poseidon would make for a more effective fleet killer than a second strike anti-port facilities weapon IMO. The launching sub wouldn't even need to get close and multiple weapons could be coordinated to attack multiple different fleets at once, loitering across projected paths. Do that and you basically reduce America's/NATO's power projection considerably. If you include attack subs tracking/targeting SSBNs with their SSGNs poised to hit various shore based targets, this could be a devastating first strike. Overwhelming your opponent on multiple fronts with shear force of numbers, piece of cake for Russia. Not to mention what the Army and Air Force could also do.
Also the seabed warfare beds into this nicely: essentially with the nuclear reactors and losharik they can build a targeting/surveillance system into the seabed, that provides targeting data to the Status-6 (and the new hypersonic weapons) of course oceans are massive so they can not do cover it all, but covering key locations might just do it when supplemented by satellites etc. targeting/location assets.
It is entirely possible and feasible to build a roving torpedo equipped with advanced gyros that function like a sort of GPS guiding. The torpedo drone would know at all times where it is, which means it can navigate on its own to a previously set location where it lies and waits for a carrier group. Then it quickly emerges and detonates a massive conventional warhead. This ensures no nuclear retaliation. With an estimated displacement of 100 tons, you can pack 20 tons of high explosive on it. That much explosive detonated under the keel of a carrier will surely break its back and split it in two. Carrier group´s location is known 24/7. Satellites make sure of that, we all know this. So the problem is relaying that data to a deep diving sub. If the mothership sub deploys the torpedo from 100 miles away, the gyro will make sure the drone gets there, including any sea floor maneuvering, without any further communication with it. Once it is in the immediate area, it uses its own sonar to pinpoint the carrier, and BOOOMMMM! Any enemy screening submarine will have just seconds to react. This seems like a much more likely scenario than using it to nuke cities on the shore, and naval bases. An ICBM can accomplish that task just fine. This torpedo sounds more like a carrier killer.
@@Biden_is_demented communicating with deep diving subs easier than people think, as they can just put the antenna on cable and float it closer to surface. This is done on pretty regular basis even. Russia also has ELF transmitter that can be used to give submarines a call to rise into communication depth. the torpedo lying in wait is rather old concept, there are anti-shipping mines that work just like that. Problem with this approach will always be vastness of the ocean and targeting problems that come with that (more on those later). Also the actual sound level of Status-6 will be important, it might be quite noisy given the speed, so the transit to standby area (or to tactical target) might give it's position away and time to deploy the (not yet realized) countermeasures. Also I don't think there is room for actual submarine steath techologies like raft mounting the machinery/reactor. Moreover Russia has repeatedly trained to use tactical nuclear weapons to gain upper hand on conflict with NATO so it makes sense Status-6 would be nuclear armed even in tactical solutions. I personally don't believe that specially in war time carrier groups can be tracked 24/7 as satellites can be shot down, they can be blinded with ECM and suchs. At least no one can really trustthese days, that satellite coverage is going to be 24/7. Hence building a vast hydrophone network makes sense as one is none and two is one.
In short, no. Russians do not have first strike doctrine. Russians could not care less about US/NATO fleet if we are talking about nuclear war. Russians always assume that US will strike them with multitude if weapons in order to destroy Russian ability to respond with nuclear weapons. This new torpedo is one of the ways to assure US, that even tho US has surrounded Russia from almost all possible directions with all sorts of offensive systems, still Russian ability to strike back is guaranteed. This torpedo can obliterate not only whole cities like NY and LA, it is possible that they are strong enough to create tsunami that can wipe out whole states, it is very possible that these torpedoes carry at least 50 megaton warheads, possibly even more.
Mr Sutton, your content is great, but the audio quality leaves much to be desired. You either need a better microphone/audio system or you need some software sound editing.
The "Posiden" weapon has crazy capabilities. When you think about a 25 megaton explosion going off in or near a major port city (NYC, London, LA, etc.). It would be very difficult to identify the source of the disaster (Russia, China, North Korea).
All this talk about a tsunami or gigantic wave created by this poseidon thing are just hilarious...underwater tests have been carried out for many years in the Pacific and none have generated anything aside from the initial explosion water surge that very quickly subsides...and 10 months later than this video, the belgorod is still under construction, far away from sea trials....
how do you manage this.. wow... i wouldn't have the patience to do this myself but this is amazing how you infer and piece together so much information..... i don't even feel unsafe about this to be honest i know the importance of the balance of power, i guess if we where to mess about with this sub we would be destabalising the world
Here is the to me scariest theory about what Poseidon could be. Poseidon is part of the Perimeter Sytem (the Dead Hand) and is the final stage of the doomsday sequence of Perimeter. This could be the origin of "Status 6". It seems certain at this point that Poseidon can remain at sea autonomously for a very long time. IT can carry any payload imaginable. For use within Perimeter a cobalt salted nuclear device would be the most devastating. Depending on how well Poseidons brain is, it could receive weather data from remaining russian satellites and detonate at a position under air currents to maximize distribution of the cobalt across the to-be-devastated landmass. This could for example depopulate most of north america and make it totally inhabitable for more than 150 years. It's extremely plausible use case, taking into account that russia is extremely concerned to lose first strike capability due to the NATO missile defense, invalidating any deterrent potential of the russian arsenal (this is the main motiviation behind Satan II as well). Issues with this theory are, that first and foremost someone has to be mad and an absolute monster to consider building a cobalt salted weapon. And its is questionable if Perimeter would be able to communicate to an underwater recipient with its functionalities (the command missile etc). So while a very plausible scenario and one that is fit to give you sleepless nights, knowing that it is mostly switched off because even the russians are afraid of its reliability. And if Belgorod carries 4 or 6 of thses weapons, nothing stops the russians to have 5 fleet killer poseidons and 1 dooms day device. Or any combination that keeps you awake at night.
@@KHETTIUS You do release that Russia turned all their neighbors against them, right? No one forces anyone to join NATO, except Russia of course. Just look at Finland and Sweden now thanks to the invasion of Ukraine
@@KHETTIUS If Russia didn't threaten the sovereignty of the nations around it then the nations around they wouldn't feel the need to group together to defend themselves. Take the nations of Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and now Armenia (a country they had a treaty to defend and DIDN'T).
Could Russia's giant torpedo be used to stalk American aircraft carriers, follow them around the world. Giving them the ability to take out multiple carriers at the same time?
People simply do not understand that Russia does not care about US fleet. US fleet is completely meaningless in case of nuclear war, US fleet is good for bombing third world countries, that is it. This torpedo is for wiping out US coastal cities or even states depending on how strong warhead is in case of nuclear war.
@@dhanu_4539 Did Russia built it? Soviet Union built them. Further more even when built it was obvious that they did not match the Soviet military doctrine even then. But USSR used to build many things, even very good things that in reality was just a waist of resources even by their own military doctrine. No Soviet admiral or ruler ever believed that there would ever be a situation where USSR fleet fights with massive US/NATO carrier group and then thats that, everyone goes back home. It would be just absurd. ONLY reason why USSR and NATO fleets would fight each other would be total war and then it would be completely nonsensical sideshow while nuclear weapons would rain down on every big city in NATO/USSR lands.
@@andrisbig7710 it's quite a theory You've got there,too bad that it doesn't make any sense at all..The Oscars aren't built to destroy carrier fleets, the are meant to stall them and buy time for the land forces, or simply for area denial. Just knowing that a fleet killer is in the area means the carrier needs additional escorts and aircrafts searching for it... not just the russians any country that has bad relations with the US would love to have a few fleet hunters just to stop being harassed and intimidated by the US.They are one of the most important assets of the Russian federation.
@@dhanu_4539 Let me give you an advice. When you have no clue about topic you want to speak about ask yourself - do i really need to speak about this? And let me give you answer, no you don't. What you have written is so stupid it is even not worth a response, i would just encourage you to reread what you have wrote sentence by sentence and really, really think about that.
There are two types of Poseidon torpedoes. Type 6 is the WMD, the smaller one is the tactical one. Present data showcases test systems, and not the final product. The tactical one is capable of annihilating carrier groups and in pack formation, is capable of crippling fleet yards and with some modification, taking beach heads for invasions. The main type is capable of carrying upto 150MT and thus can execute last resort missions including but not limited to destabilizing continental shelves and turning target nations waters into nuclear wastelands. The DSMs are meant to keep track of precise ocean currents and predict where to strike and when to strike. As for Belgorods, well, they're just motherships for these missions. I think there's a few submarines currently well masked within the projects that would enhance prowling and stalking capabilities, thus ensuring that opposing fleets and ships cannot track them. Likely built to resemble the target's friendlies.
That's the creepiest idea I've heard so far and the worst case scenario I can imagine... these torpedoes can dive to extreme depths, they could be used to cause earthquakes by destabilizing continental shelves like you say.
Mr. Sutton, please consider my request for a Comparison between MESMA AIP, Fuel Cell AIP, Sterling AIP and Lithium Ion Battery tech, with pros and cons of each. How long do you think the shelf life of each tech would last? Considering from a perspective of an Indian viewer when their rivals Pak has a MESMA AIP, and soon will have Sterling AIP, while India is yet to acquire even one, and P75I has a few variety of AIP options on the table. Regards
Just saw a video chat from 4 months ago, that gives an overview of the topic, but a direct comparison with more details if available in the future would be welcome.
And Russia already has sufficient nuclear deterrence... no one is going to attack Russia or any other major nuclear powered nation. So trillions of Rubles are spent while those outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg starve.
Yeah, it was a cool movie plot but I don't see MHD happening on practical submarines. Just because you're not using propellers doesn't mean moving a lot of water is silent, especially when you need to run an absurdly powerful reactor to compensate for MHD's rock bottom efficiency. Perhaps covert development will prove me wrong in the future but I wouldn't bet on it.
Reagan (1983) "we got the Strategic Defense Initative, called Star Wars program!" Obama (2009) "now we got the THAAD system!" Putin (2018) "let me introduce you to the POSEIDON torpedo..."
In terms of why the weapon was built, I've heard a few things since you made this video which might improve our understanding of the motive, all from generally reliable sources, although, of course, how would anyone be sure without actually having a look under the hood? First, I've heard it is a salted bomb, perhaps with a Cobalt casing (the problem with a cobalt bomb on a torpedo is that it could have a very heavy casing, so there could be literally tons of cobalt in the casing). I've heard it's actually 200 megatons, not 100. I've heard that it is specifically intended to generate a tsunami. The thing about a 500 meter tsunami, the height estimated from a weapon of that size, is that it would negate essentially all fallout shelters and continuity of government shelters, as all would be flooded and buried in tons of sand/earth and debris,, and if there were survivors, and it was a salted bomb, the flood water, and most of the fresh water in the area, would be so radioactive you could not come in contact with it for more than a few minutes, for years after the blast, and the entire flooded region would not be inhabitable for up to 100 years later. It is possible that the Cobalt-60 could be mostly all directed towards the shore. I have heard that the weapon is meant to be detonated on the sea floor, perhaps in harbors, which would make sense, if you wanted to create a wave by reflecting the energy off the sea floor up and out. Depending on topography, reliable sources have estimated that a 100 megaton blast could have caused flooding 1,000 miles inland. A tsunami of that size could affect hundreds of miles of coastline. Based on all of this, I would argue that the weapon was built as not just a negation of US missile defense and an undersea carrier killer, but primarily to make it clear that the Russian deterrent will end our civilization for generations, if we ever go to war with Russia. In light of current events, I believe the message is, Russia can enforce its sphere of influence regionally, and even if they would lose a conventional war, NATO cannot fight a war with Russia, under any conditions, or even provide certain kinds of aid to Russia's allies, or else Poseidon while shake their cities to the ground, wash away all memory that their enemies had ever been, and curse the ground they walk upon for a thousand years, so nothing will grow there, and anyone who eats of the fruits or drinks of the waters of the accursed land will perish. I suspect that's why they built it. But, if the Russian felt war was inevitable, it could also be a first strike weapon, allowing them to concentrate all ICBMs and cruise missiles on more inland targets. It is my understanding that, without a human crew, the torpedo not only travels at great depths, but it can also travel very slowly, around 3 knots, regardless of how long it takes to get there. Traveling so slowly and so deep could make it possible for the torpedo to be extremely stealthy, so it might be possible to use them as the first strike, and send them across the ocean in advance, with the 100 mph sprint only being employed if they are detected or if they wish to sprint through enemy defenses to their target. In fact, they may have already forward deployed Poseidons to western harbors, just in case, and the Belgorod may have the capacity to retrieve those forward deployed torpedoes at a later date. Such a system might have the ability to go dormant on the sea bed for years.
You don't need tons of cobalt on a nuke to poison the planet & pretty much kill every living thing. A comparatively little dab'll do ya. Couple hundred pounds, I should think. God help us all if either side uses cobalt laced warheads.
"but primarily to make it clear that the Russian deterrent will end our civilization for generations, if we ever go to war with Russia. In light of current events, I believe the message is, Russia can enforce its sphere of influence regionally, and even if they would lose a conventional war, NATO cannot fight a war with Russia, under any conditions, or even provide certain kinds of aid to Russia's allies, or else Poseidon while shake their cities to the ground, wash away all memory that their enemies had ever been, and curse the ground they walk upon for a thousand years, so nothing will grow there, and anyone who eats of the fruits or drinks of the waters of the accursed land will perish. I suspect that's why they built it. " The problem with this; I think sane and intelligent minds in Russia should see, is that it will likely trigger a large nuclear response by the West, and in fact, I feel this should be the official NATO response on this. "We know you have these weapons, and if you use even one of them on one of our major cities, we will convert Russia to a smoking ashtray; from its borders with the West, all the way to Kamchatka."
@@rjpx947 Ahhh, but the problem with that is, Russia has underground shelters sufficient for its entire population, and vastly superior, modern ICBMs and now these torpedoes too. We haven't built a new ICBM since the 1970s. Nor do we use Cobalt bombs, which means they can go down into their Soviet mega bunkers for 2 weeks, come out, and be safe to rebuild, as most of the radiation will have dissipated, as where our entire continent will be uninhabitable for 100 years if they use cobalt bombs, and if they use these torpedoes, the few government officials and billionaires who have bunkers to hide in will find themselves entombed in thousands of tons of highly radioactive debris, and probably flooded and drowned in radioactive water, from the 500 meter high tsunami that could come up to 1,000 miles inland. We have nothing like that. We decided it was not worth investing in nukes, because they would never be used anyway, which was a delusion, and because they could not be survived anyway, which is also untrue for most of the population, if not for the government leaders, if we had kept our civil defense program alive, when instead, we defunded. So they can eradicate us, and most of them would probably survive and rebuild, and if we don't nuke China too, which I doubt Biden would, then China will help the Russians rebuild, and then China will rule the world for centuries, if Russia nukes us first, and we'll be worse off than they will, which means their deterrent is more credible than ours, and the use of the weapons hurts us a lot more than it does them, especially when you consider the effects just the EMP would have on us and Europe, and what the world would look like after that.
@@rjpx947 I've studied the issue. I'm a military vet. I've read Andrew Marshall's biography. What we have is fairly well understood. Sure, there are secret projects and whatnot, but you're neglecting to take into account the very real effect that 50 years of anti-nuclear political leadership has had on the real balance of nuclear power between us and Russia. You're not fully appreciating the implications of the Poseidon. They call it a salted bomb for a reason. Salted, as in, the Romans are going to salt your fields, and your lands will remain barren for generations. That was the design specification, and they built it, and we did not, for better or for worse. And perhaps that would not have been such a bad idea, if those same people who opposed any US nuclear investment for 50 years (nor any civil defense investment, I might add, nor EMP hardening), were not also the exact same people who are now hurling us blindly into a war with Russia based on a lie. Either you invest in the nuclear deterrent, or else you pursue detente. To disarm, and then over-extend globally, and then pick a fight with Russia, is utterly insane. Interestingly, it is the realists who advocated matching or exceeding the Russian nuclear strategic capability (preferably in secret), and it was the realists who opposed getting us into a war with Russia over Ukraine too (especially not a war over a lie). Best of both worlds. Unfortunately, the realists have been in exile from Washington since at least the 1960s. Apparently realism is not particularly popular among the American electorate, in the wake of the post-Counter Culture zeitgeist, from 1960 to present day, which brought us not only Pelosi, Carter, AOC and the Obamas, but also the anti-terror warriors, from Bush to Kagan, Gen. Clark to Gen. Milley, whom we all know are also idealists, in their own unique ways. And now here we are, looking over the precipice of the deepest hole mankind has ever faced, in circumstances largely of our own making. It was the idealists who disarmed us, and then it was the idealists who picked a fight with Russia, and it was even the idealists who picked that fight over a lie, and justified doing so based on the over-riding moral imperative to impose their values on Russia, at any cost. Well, the cost may be a Poseidon detonating in your harbor. Would it still be worth it then? That sounds like the worst of all worlds, and like your utopian dreams would almost certainly all die with you, under several hundred tons of radioactive rubble. Let's be realistic about this.
Absolutely. As long as you find somebody dumb enough to believe that you might be able to survive the retaliation after you strike with ONE fucking submarine. And there aren't more and won't be for a long time. It is the same with the Armata T-14. A huge piece of high-tech crap. Presented in 2015 and not one is used in any conflict so far. Why? Because they can't produce it properly. They still prototyping around this 'marvel' of russian engineering. And that is a fucking tank. What do you think will happen if they try to build a second one? Or third? The US alone operates FOURTEEN SSBNs at the moment. Britain 4 and France 3, I think. To top it off: The russians rely heavily on stuff built in the ending days of the soviet union. With no maintanence done since 1989 at all... So yes, great showpiece and what not, but first strike? Really? They first striked a small nation just over two months ago... se how this went for the mighty russian forces. It would be a hillarious joke if not so many people would have suffered and died from the illusions of grandeur by the Russians.
I can’t believe they have the nerve to keep building these while they haven’t properly disposed of their old subs. Nuclear reactors just piled up in the port channel rotting away.
Imagine a torpedo with multiple possible modalities; sub to sub, or sub to surface or sub to surface to air to land. Such a weapon would need to be very large to house the required navigation and propulsion capabilities for any possible modality.
Sorry to mention the obvious, many of Belgorod’s missions are to maintain and defend Russia’s extensive developments and a few crewed bases, on the seafloor around northern arctic circle. Yes, other nations have paper claims to the seafloor, but Russia owns it by virtue of being able to occupy and defend the areas they have claimed. Russia also claims and can defend the northern sea routes being cleared of ice, thanks to warming waters there. Belgorods in those areas equates to ownership.
Russian MOD explicitly explained why this new torpedo class was developed. They are not hiding this aspect and purpose. Apart from being a reliable "second-strike" element, it also offers difficulty in both detecting and neutralising. Consequently this can be both a defensive tool and an element of "first strike" or "preventative strike" component. So it is a multi-purpose, multi-role tool. And they are not hiding why they developed this new class of weapon. The main reason is NATOs expansion to Russian borders and direct threats posed to existing "deterrent". So, it is both logical and rational move to ensure effective umbrella against aggressors such as NATO. Disclosed technical info also includes arming this torpedo with "cobalt charge" as well as other variations.
“NATO expansion to Russian borders” lol. Lmao even. Why do you think former Soviet states might want to join nato “Aggressors such as nato” remind me, did nato invade Ukraine? Chechnya?
Russia is one of the most aggressive countries on the planet with sufficient nuclear deterrence... no one is going to attack Russia. If the US wanted Russia why didn't they do it when it was in shambles when the Soviet union collapsed. The US helped Russia and gave them billions to get back on their feet....plus western expertise is the only reason Russias oil network is profitable as it is. The countries who were under the boot of Moscow ran as fast as they could to nato because they wanted to escape that hell.... it has nothing to do with nato expansion....lmao
The same was said about hypersonic weapons, but in Ukraine it has already worked. And without this underwater vehicle, Russia has 80-90% updated nuclear arsenal and delivery vehicles capable of overcoming any missile defense system, even its own. And more than 1000 nuclear charges can many times turn the United States into a radioactive hell from which even cockroaches will escape! In America, the same number of warheads, albeit with obsolete carriers, but some will fly and there will also be hell on earth! You need to be realistic, this is the best guarantee of survival in this world!
The reason why Belgorod's propeller is covered is based on the diameter & number of blades, you can calculate a sonar return. Meaning ur new sub is identified b4 it hits the water.
Excellent video as usual, terrifying topic though. What would be a reasonable guesstimate for the maximum yield of the thermonuclear device? It is just as massive for a (contemporary) nuke as Poseidon is for a torpedo...
@@HISuttonCovertShores That low? If it was made to attack fleets it's okay but as a seconds strike weapon 2 megatons seems low for something that can only attack shores, the tzar bomba is 8 meters long and 2 meters wide
@@HISuttonCovertShores I've got to agree with Karl Dönitz (never thought I'd be saying that) that 2 Mt sounds strangely low for what looks to be such a massive bomb on the "leaked" papers. For comparison, the Castle Bravo device (manufactured nearly 70 years ago) had a ~15 Mt yield, and measured 1.37m wide by 4.56m long for a weight of 10.6 tons ; the famous 60 years old Tsar Bomba of ~55 Mt yield was (including casing and fins) 8m by 2.1m for a weight of 27 tons. Could it be that 2 Mt is merely the lowest yield setting (likely dialed for enhanced radiation), and thus maximum yield would be higher?
1.two-stage - 20 megatons. This is the standard 8K67 warhead. 2. three-stage - this is the AN602 device. Nobody knows how much is real. But over 50 megatons. Maybe a hundred. 3.20 megatons but with cobalt inserts in the shell.
Every indication shows that the U.S. is working overtime to create a situation where it will be able to use its nuclear weapons. Russia on the other hand has openly said that the ever increasing presence of NATO forces on its boarders are not acceptable, any more than a Russian presence even near the U.S. is an open invitation for war, as we all saw in the Cuban missile event in the sixties. The atititude of the U.S. is that its alright if the U.S. does it but not O.K. for any other country to even think of such action. It clearly shows a very one sided atitude that requires some careful thinking about, and Russia has done just that, in other words how to overcome this resriction by being able to perform such action from a good distance, plus being able to perform such action with something that is a lot more than hard to keep up with. A sub that is able to operate at exstreme depths, and far better than operate by crew on board, would far better be operated from land base positions. This gives the indication that weapons that can operate at exsteme depth but remain dormant while at these depths would be ideal, requiring only one visit to put into situe by a larger unit. I personally think that having had a lot of personal connections with this country has allowed me to be morecaware of the mindset involved, and everything indicates that this is how Russia aims to remain in front of threats for the U.S. In oposition the the thinking of the U.S., Russia has a totally different mind set as to how to overcome any attempt to subdue the prevention of being able to strike back, and in fact make the response a lot more lethal.
dont invade your neighbours and they'll be less likely to join a defensive alliance against you, putin master strategist has made NATO bigger than ever
Here is an interesting question: why do Soviet and Russian nuclear powered submarines require a water scoop to cool their reactors whereas Western nuclear powered submarines do not?
Love this unscripted style-from a man who really knows his stuff. Great work mate.!!!
Knowledgeable unscripted following minimalistic notes beats any other form of oral presentation, imho.
@@_tyrannus totally
Absolutely! Clear, linear, expertise. I'd love to hear him dissect an airplane or spacecraft.
If I were in the adult entertainment industry I would go by the synonym "megaladong"...
You should be very pleased with the videos you put out. All of your stuff is independently verifiable and you clearly mark the basis of your analysis on what is reasonable rather then what draws the most clicks. I hope you continue to do these as long as you feel you have something to contribute since they are an excellent digestable format for those who don't have the time nor technical experience to do all the legwork needed to come to the same conclusion.
All educational videos on YT should be held to this standard.
I love your videos but in this one I wouldn’t call the leak a leak if they were televising it they wanted somebody to know because he’s paranoid bastards would not of televised it otherwise
Aka, good videos dude!
I think the NATO name for this sub was Oscar II.
If I recall correctly the Kursk was also the previous generation to this one.
Lol this comment is amazingly absurd. You are incredibly slow lmao.
Russia has just introduced a new submarine class, the Moskva.
Yes , soon they will also introduce new Republic.....
And Ukraine introduced a new mechanical unit
The FTTS unit
(F=farmer,T=Tractor,T=Tanks,S=Stealers)
Destroyed by the ghost of kiev in the defense of snake island and the reconquest of Azovstal 🤣
@Craig 1. It's funny how the troglodytic putin supporters all respond to the wrong comment. Room temperature IQs. 2. Moskva was definitively sunk, so I don't know what you mean by your 'you wish' comment.
@@Addi_Teacha509 and Biden was the pilot
Ah so you're the guy from that submarine site!?
I must say every time I ended up on there because of those fantastic renderings and drawings I was stricken by the effort and passion.
Wonderful content!
*struck
@@kzrlgo *strick *strack *struck
my man those are MS paint drawings, hes a fucking mad man
Mr Sutton...I've just discovered your channel and now regard it as the gold standard. Excellent level balanced presentation with superb detail. Thank you for all your hard work.
It's almost as good as Perun.
@@alaeriia01 Fair comment. I subscribed to Perun a while back. Certainly fact packed and intelligent overviews.
Perhaps the primary goal is providing deterrence against a carrier battle group with those large nuclear torpedoes?
Russia knows it will always be outnumbered at sea so this makes even a small fleet a threat to a larger cbg. For e.g. during the 1971 Bangladesh war of Independence, Task force 74 was about to enforce a no fly-zone over India but the presence of a smaller Soviet fleet(with a nuclear sub) drove up the risk factor and the cbg did not get involved.
Considering how strained is Russia's military budget, I bet they're thinking of various use options to milk value out of such an expensive engineering feat.
the main purpose is the destruction of enemy supply ports.
The fleet will not be able to fight for a long time without supply ports.
Using a nuclear weapon as first strike will assure your country gets eradicated from the face of the earth
@@ulrichkristensen4087 "They guarantee!" Who guarantees? Americans with their "triumphs" of modernization in 1988? Do not make me laugh. Watch a Hollywood movie "about invincible heroic brave Americans" and don't anger Great Russia...
@@Кипящийразум hey, house that war in Ukraine going?
I have a theory, The belgorod's loshark, has a secondary function besides espionage. It is meant to dive extremely deep and recovery a spent or deactivated nuclear powered torpedo. Say the russain deploy the weapon debace they fear nuclear escalation, to generate second strike capability in case russia itself, and its other traditional nuclear delivery systems, are destroyed. But war is averted, and well you can't exactly back this huge torpedo back into its tube, like regular test torpedos you need someone to go dive down and recover it. Hence loshark.
Yeah, but you can tell the Poseidon to drive itself into the White sea, come to the surface and stop there or sink to the relatively shallow bottom. No need to unnecessarily risk that weapon getting into adversary hands.
@@JainZar1 Agreed. I just imagined that they might recover it near nato shores if it ran out of energy. Yeah I get it nuclear power, but if that's the case and it does have that kind of range, then why use a submarine delivery mechanism at all? tactical huge nuclear torpedo? quicker delliery time? for a relatively slow, compared to a missile, second strike capability? as a first strike weapon? maybe not
They could also recover another country's broken arrows, giving them a weapon to use that doesn't trace back to them.
@@airsoftfarmer But russia currently has the largest active nuclear arsenal.
@@farisshaikh1026 Would you want a doomsday device that is first strike capable just loitering around during peacetime? Controlled by an AI that just gets daily or weekly updates? Soviets/Russians have long had deadmen switches for their arsenal and there have been instances where the computers were wrong. Having a human in the loop might be a sanity check that gets discarded if Russia is at war.
Poseidon is an autonomous, AI-capable, nuclear-reactor powered weapon which once launched, can patrol the oceans on its own indefinitely, or lay low for years in the deep, evading detection. If a few dozen are released, then for the enemy sailing the oceans is a huge risk - its like walking on a minefield where the mines have brains and can corner you.
Cosmos-954 is the project that created the reactor. MKRC Legenda system
Why do you think that it is like a mine field? This is ridiculous. I know the project. It is not aimed to free ride in the oceans, blow up and contaminate US ports, neither a mine field. It is ridiculous. Status 6 and their launchers are not second strike weapons neither deterrent weapons neither anti air craft carrier weapon. Are you an expert? Don't say disparate.
@@KRYPTOS_K5 Then please enlighten us what else Poseidon is and where you found that information.
@@fonesrphunny7242 Ok Joe. I cannot explain my sources but think just a little bit using the brain not the guts. I give you a few clues:
1. How many Sato 6 torpedoes a Bilgorod can carry? And why?
2. How many Bilgorod class submarines were originally planned?
3. What is the total megatonage of all weapons of Belgorod multiplied by (2)? Why?
4. What could be the largest fear of the military of a non maritime merchant superpower like Russia (teluric power in opposition to a maritime power like the USA)?
5. Why I need a submarine tzar bomb if an aircraft carrier is not my enemy and considering it could be zapped using supersonic (in the past) or hypersonic missiles (today)?
6. Why do someone need so enormous megatonage against carriers, destroyers and frigates of the US fleet?
@@KRYPTOS_K5 I'm a man of aviation, not naval warfare and I didn't ask for a riddle.
If you can't provide a source where all of us can educate ourselves, we're sticking to our guts.
Man, when Russia wants to build something big, new and hi tech acomplished they always get it done even with their other life problems out there...
That was surprise for me but seems Russia the first country who can make chips without masks. Technically it might be better than classic ASML process. I think Russia capable to make great stuff
America is constantly in conflict more than Russia is.
They are experts at mega disasters 😅
Ты же знаешь 😂@@shermanyoung8185
Which one?
Fukushima?
That USA@@shermanyoung8185
Russia makes its own cars, ships, planes, tanks, missiles everything you can think of they make it.
The country is amazing.
Watching from Somalia.
I think Belgorod is a poseidon carrier with the goal of making sure no navy can aproach Russia. In their propaganda Poseidon is an antonomous torpedo that can lie in wait or patrol for years but I think they are much too scared of it being hacked stolen or just malfunctioning to operate it like that. In all likelihood they will carry it on the Belgorod and release it for direct attack or ambush of an entire fleet battle group. Its large enough to carry a nuke of any size so we really are talking taking out an entire fleet and it need only be stealthy enough to hide its launch point and get close enought to the fleet for it to be unable to dissperse when it enters final aproach at top speed. While such an attack would kill tens of thousands it will only kill soldiers and cannot be mistaken as an attack on the population like a balistic missile lauchned at a fleet could. Basically saying yeah we took out your navy now you cant invade us. What are you gona do nuke our cities you know what happens next right?
What would happen next would be nuclear war lets hope that dosent happen.if Russia wiped out the us fleet they would launch nukes on Russia you should know how dumb our government is by now!
I remember the timing when Status-6 news started to appear on Russian TV. It was always in connection with US Prompt Global Strike doctrine and NATO's anti-missile systems in Europe. The "leak" had that exact timing, when we were opposing constuction of "anti-Iranian" missile base in Romania.
So, yes, initially it was designed as a deterrent. But it's possible the brass is rethinking the purpose of the Poseidon. Could be a fleet killer now.
i mean having a nuclear bomb roaming around with a mind of its own is a bit fk'd
But they don't need Belgorod for that. You can just slip them into the water at dock and send them on their way to whatever they are programmed for.
Посейдон сделан чтобы вызвать мега цунами на США
Yeah wow, seeing the "mini-sub" is 70m long really puts this monster into perspective.
its about the same size a ww2 german type VII!!
Have you considered the Belgorod's "torpedoes" are not true torpedoes at all. But rather nuclear powered drones. Designed to be deployed and loiter/linger indefinitely until recovered by the Loshark (or similar daughter sub).
Seems like based on name alone and its capabilities fleet killer is potential. Launch it from safe range, let it move to areas where enemy fleet, or valuable targets like aircraft carriers is moving, it can loiter or wait in way of the fleet and detonate when below it, sinking whole fleet by creating explosion below the ships and due energy release void would sink or capsize any ship too close to it. Imagine whole fleet deleted by one weapon.
doubtful it would deploy like this, target identification would be messy and communication potentially hard. you dont want to hit a tanker or carrier in peace time, and once fired i doubt communication be be easily maintained without indicating its location.
Propaganda....assholes. Calm down
@@onuq3r4y478 rubbish. High bandwidth 2 way communication perhaps, but sending it commands to initiate a preprogrammed mission very easy, from hundreds of km away.
Infrasound.
Whales do it.
No we have intel on what they are. In the event of a Russia-NATO war these torpedo nukes are meant to take out European harbor cities making it impossible for America to reinforce Europe with weapons, petrol etc. through sea.
They are undetectable with anything that we have today.
This is such a crazy submarine system! I feel like the reason the Russians have built this is because they can. Whether or not there is an obvious immediate need or advantage to these submarine systems, the only way to keep up expertise in building and operating these things is to keep on making and operating them.
Well, if EU tries to built smth like that its economy would collapse before lunch so i think russians have some stronger motivation than just "c'mon Vlad why not?" :D
They have a job or two for it, you know, say things continue to go south say war breaks out BIG ONE with all those cables under the sea 98 percent of comuacions all interspterd or boomed well you live in the west you fock'ed no satellite, that's just another western delusion,
Мой друг учавствовал в строительстве этой субмарины в северодвинске, говорит она неимоверных размеров когда смотришь на неё с пирса, в прошлом году он видел как подвозили и загружали туда беспилотные торпеды, накрытые брезентом
ABM forced them to develop something new to ensure MAD imho
It is a natural evolution in design.
Unbiased. Extremely rare nowadays.
Great video - :)
@ 20:30 ish, I'd argue that the carrier strike group attacking feature of Poseidon is one of it's main functions, alongside its tactical coastal strike one.
Consider that the nuclear warhead is used in more than one way, and tsunami generation is one of the primary attack uses ie very effective at coastal destruction and human life loss, and overwhelming ships with artificial waves.
Furthermore the detonation of a large nuclear weapon below a carrier ground(100m's below) would initially generate devastating pressure waves(killing all humans nearby and damaging naval structures), but more importantly the vapourisation of the surrounding water, combined with the pressure waves and cavitation would greatly reduce any regional water bouyancy, so in effect it is an optimised weapon for this role, especially considering its AI control.
Bloody terrifying!
Yeah the pressure from even a small nuclear weapon near a single ship, within 50-100 meters would probably capsize any ship. Certainly even a single kiloton direct hit in the right spot would sink any aircraft carrier. A 200 Megaton explosion in the center would capsize the entire battlegroup and destroy any submarines nearby. 200 megatons underwater would be fucking insane.
It can not make a Mega tsunami, sorry that is not how physics work
@@sexyitalian891the US actually made trials, Nuclear weapons make a huge explosion, but not a mega tsunami, it is eargass from the russians nothing more
@@ulrichkristensen4087 Nobody mentioned any mega tsunami...
the warhead on the Poseidon, as H.I. Sutton later pointed out in one of his articles, is likely 2 megaton at most.
that one won't be splashing much water into a naval base, so i guess carrier fleet (especially US carrier battle group) is a more suitable & vulnerable target compared to an inshore sea port;
for reference, the common search result for "underwater nuclear explosion" on TH-cam - the Hardtack Umbrella test in 1958, it was just a 8 kiloton warhead; imagine what a 2 megaton warhead could do to some ships
You do not come across informative documentaries like these very often this needs to go viral
On the Poseidon:
I think we'd have to do some calculations, because following it's role as a tactical nuclear weapon, it attacking fleet groups makes sense. The ship that gets hit by it is in my opinion destroyed. And many people say correctly, that a normal fleet group is spread too far apart for it's explosion to be a danger to other ships. However, I imagine that the waves on see, generated by the Poseidon might be enough to capsize most ships in the same fleet group. I mean that's heavily dependent on the force of the explosive as well as on the types of ships.
But I also imagine that this might be for targeting ports. The submarine could be at a safe distance and fire it and basically render an entire military port useless.
Actually you have to be in shallow waters to generate a wave crest like at a beach.
You can’t create waves the magnitude needed to capsize in the middle of sea, you guys read some like insane propaganda to think nukes can create practically tsunamis
I would refer to the tests at bikini atoll, specifically the baker test which was an underwater detonation. Even vessels that suffered minimal structural damage were still close enough to the blast to be sprayed with water from the detonation and the US found those ships to be so radioactive that all the crew within would have died of radiation poisoning even if the vessel itself was still functional.
Something id like to add here.
I think the whole point of Poseidon is that it can be fired from faaaaar far away and just autonomously roam around and go towards it's target.
The thing itself is supposed to have mini nuclear reactor inside which pretty much means it has infinite power supply and can roam infinitely. When this is taken into account it's ok to assume that submarines wouldn't be approaching too much and just fire these things from far away which indicates very possible use of targeting ports without even getting the submarine close to the enemy shore.
As for Yield ...well the info out there goes anywhere from 2 to 100 Mt which is ...big difference but 100 Mt doesn't sound too crazy either since Russia has had thermonukes of 60Mt since 60's.
Next thing is ...even if it doesn't sink the ships (as other comment already mentioned) there's an issue of being irradiated, especially since this thing has its own nuclear reactor which would also explode along with the vehicle and spray radioactive material all over the place.
@@DJ-kr5zx It's interesting you would say this, but I believe it would make perfect sense to not even have a thermonuclear warhead on it. If the goal is to create a "dirty bomb" torpedo, all you would have to do is detonate conventional explosives and the reactor fallout will do the rest. In any case, these things are pretty terrifying since they can basically just loiter at the seabed for as long as required before climbing towards a target. Deep water ports would be particularly vulnerable, whereas shallower ones will have more warning, since the weapon will naturally have to lose depth as it approaches. I think our best defence would have to be sonar helicopters with depth charges, but for the future, organising a sonar buoy warning system around valuable ports would be prudent I think.
Nice submarine guys. Just be careful loading those torpedos, okay?
The size and depth of Poseidon would suggest its primary ability is not to attack surface vessels. It is more likely that a massive underwater detonation off the coast of California could trigger an earthquake and also a tidal wave to take out a large part of the west coast or a similar attack on NYC.
Toxic tsunami
What an irony would that be. Once Russia has send two warship fleets to american costs to protect americans from europeans durin the civil war and now few centuries later Russia is sending there nuclear doomsday torpedoes.
pretty sad actually. Like Russia tried to save the US from a horrible island zomby virus but failed and now have to fight those she wanted to save.
Considering all the info about the state of the Russian fleet that has leaked the last few months I wouldn't be surprised if this thing barely works and will spend 90% of its service life in drydock
No other country beats Russia in submarine construction. They’re just awesome.
France does very good subamarine
This is so interesting and just pleasant to watch , no clickbait or annoying stuff , all youtube should be like this , keep going !
2:08 Greatest 20 seconds in the history of this channel.
Your voice is calm and relaxing, plus no music... I fell asleep two times 😅
To me it seems like a WW III war fighting weapons platform, with the Belgrod itself being that big mainly to host the Poseidon "torpedos" and to carry the "mini" sub. I would expect the Belgrod to position itself to start deploying the mini sub to begin taking out earth based communications lines between NATO and the U.S. (which in a general war would be done in conjunction with attempting to take out our satellites at the same time) and then when the U.S. Carrier Battle groups arrive on scene in the northern Atlantic the Poseidon which I will assume is some sort of housing device (a miniature autonomous sub if you will) for a cluster of small tactical nuke torpedoes would locate said carrier groups and then carry out multiple autonomous torpedo attacks. I don't see a point to having it be some sort of second strike nuke weapon, that makes no sense at all and there is also no need to have it be so big if it is just a lone torpedo meant to sink a carrier, as much smaller nuke torpedoes exist that will do that job just as good and much cheaper (a Ph.D. Aerospace Engineer who works for a large American defense contractor's Missile Systems company.
Cosmos-954 is the project that created the reactor. MKRC Legenda system
Carriers are essentially glorified pirate ships. Their job is to threaten trade routes. They are not much of a threat to Eurasia directly. They can potentially cut Africa, the Americas and Australia from Eurasia, so they are not entirely insignificant. The other thing is - nuclear weapons are a silly hoax, so carriers are protected by escorts.
Why would need a large carrier submarine to do that? When you could just seed the surrounding waters with smart mines and leave.
@@TheTalkWatcher for the simple reason that we Russians do not start wars - we end them ...
Russia has always been looking for a way to counter the US Carriers. Those are the one thing that gives the US her current Naval Supremacy more than anything else. A long range nuclear torpedo would be the most effective way to take one out, honestly.
I like how Russian technology keeps changing into becoming more and more focused on crew survivability.
Crew survivability ? Search for kursk or losharik :))) even their dictator said " she drowned" . Nobody saved
Imagine if we put all this effort into making life for everyone better
Unfortunately if we all worked together to better humanity, that would leave the door open for someone to wipe us out and dominate us all. It would happen, it’s human nature 😢
@@slakk5093 I know that but I meant in a hypothetical perfect world, without outside forces like aggressive aliens, I'm kinda hoping we do something like the humans in halo where we become the most feared warriors
@@daveo2992no, he means how in a power vacuum the most violent dictator wins control. It would take only one bad egg, thus, like communism you have to butcher all the bad eggs, and use any means to stay in power to prevent the bad eggs winning.
Imposible as humanity is flawed so there will allways be war an need for defence 2 there have been some advancments from wars that have benafits to all mankind the internet is one off the top of my head
It's useless think to do better for all😆
Poseidon would be the perfect carrier fleet killer
Awesome video, love the calm details, not an ounce of sensationalism, just facts, or best guess on available information. No biased propaganda for either side! Keep it coming!!!
Anyone else feel like watching Hunt for Red October after watching one of H I Sutton's wonderfully narrated videos?
That is a beast to launch, the displacement when launched will really shake the boat up with every launch
It's not launched that way.
@@dataman1000 When launched there is a displacement of water within the tubes & that has to be compensated for with each & every shot
They're probably swim out not pressurized launch
because of its size it will be easy detectable and destroyed by hunter submarine
@@sakal88 I never heard of a submarine that can chase down torpedos
i would love a size comparison with other submarines.
Sophisticated Russian engineering is always amazing.
Anything new from Russia should just be met with skepticism
Ukrainian electric grid disagrees
I wish the Russian Federation and the United States of America could be friendly. I wish we were allies instead of rivals. Imagine a world where international law is upheld by the strengths of both our mighty nations. Maybe someday we can put our differences aside and work together.
We can only imagine.. 😩
As has been emphasized by the current U.S. administration more than any time in recent memory, nothing justifies more tyranny than a good enemy.
Lool typical American, thinking they deserve to rule the world when they’re nothing without their allies.
HI. Found your website many years ago. Love submarines and military tech. I’m currently active duty cryptologist so I love see all this osint content. I think you by far have the best content. Loving the content being moved to YT!
Retired RN sigint PO waves hello 👋
What a gold mine! Absolutely riveted all through! Thanks for your time and effort on this!
Excelentísimo video, traduzcan esté vídeo al Español, Estamos en México!
That torpedo will need some serious counterflooding when launched.
Nothing at that level is ever leaked by mistake. Belgorod will be to large for a deep dive too much straight area. Absolutely crap for spying but it could be a forward communication rig for hypersonic weapons or other late directional weapons hence the thrusters to maintain position and launch stability.
i thought so but looking at the fuck ups russia has done lately
not sure anymore
ppl in comment are somehow biased. Russia said what Kalibr was about to do and everybody laughed that they cant have such technology. In Ukraine we all saw what Kalibr did. They now saying what kind of torpedo they have. Everybody is AGAIN laughing. Do you want them to test it or what?
Они бояться признать что кто то умнее из любимых😂😂😂😂
What did Kalibr do? It’s a cruise missile there’s nothing special about it, what will the torpedo do that western weapons can’t?
Great stuff! Subbed (no pun intended)
The peacefulness of the Russian Federation knows no bounds!😇
The Typhoon looks exceptional.
You mention poseidon is a nuclear powered unit and everybody seems to assume that means it has a reactor on board. It's far more likely that it's powered by an RTG than a reactor. That would then beg the question, is it capable of the high speeds sustained, or, does it use the RTG to charge batteries in order to give it ability for bursts of speed, and if so, how long is that burst ? Still capable of operating for decades without refuel of any type, but the RTG is a much smaller power source than a full on reactor running a pressure system. Another benefit of the RTG over a reactor, it's silent, not just quiet, it's silent. It can sit on station for years undetected by acoustics.
its probably a liquid metal reactor, either lead-coolant or sodium-coolant kind, which operates as relatively low pressure and therefore has a smaller size - as opposed to pressurized water reactor which requires a large & thick-walled boiling vessel
similar reactors have been used on other soviet submarines, so i can see them putting an even smaller one into an UUV
"Extreme" submarine? Do the US have "extreme" carriers flying "extreme" aircraft?
If these Russian submarines are such a threat, why don’t they use their missile launch capability in Ukraine?
why tf would they do that? Ukraine is completely in range of Russian ground missile systems. its like taking a car ride to a store that takes 5 minutes to walk to.
I really like this channel a lot. But the narration audio can sometimes be a little grading. There are some simple adjustments that can make the presentation smoother & uninterrupted.
There’s some quick edits that’ll remove any hesitative
“Stop & Go” narration (which is speaking then stopping w/ long gaps;2-3+seconds before speaking again).
And depending on the type of mic you use, you may be able to adjust the settings to reduce/remove any unwanted audible inhale/exhale “suck n smack” breathing picked up by the microphone.
Personally, calling Poseidon a "Tactical" nuclear torpedo is ignoring geopolitics. Launching one is going to kick off nuclear war. Using one after the war has already started is just pissing in the ocean, you aren't going to hit anything with it that would make a difference. Frankly it would be more useful with a standard payload, it's long range makes it viable as a standoff weapon.
Their shoehorning in the two midget subs is probably a response to the Kursk disaster. As they didn't have a way to save the crew back then, and it caused quite a stink at the time.
While I appreciate the video, It's important to take it with a grain of salt. Russia is well known for their fake military projects. They built the sub, but what it's actually capable of is up for debate.
Poseidon would make for a more effective fleet killer than a second strike anti-port facilities weapon IMO. The launching sub wouldn't even need to get close and multiple weapons could be coordinated to attack multiple different fleets at once, loitering across projected paths. Do that and you basically reduce America's/NATO's power projection considerably. If you include attack subs tracking/targeting SSBNs with their SSGNs poised to hit various shore based targets, this could be a devastating first strike. Overwhelming your opponent on multiple fronts with shear force of numbers, piece of cake for Russia. Not to mention what the Army and Air Force could also do.
Also the seabed warfare beds into this nicely: essentially with the nuclear reactors and losharik they can build a targeting/surveillance system into the seabed, that provides targeting data to the Status-6 (and the new hypersonic weapons) of course oceans are massive so they can not do cover it all, but covering key locations might just do it when supplemented by satellites etc. targeting/location assets.
It is entirely possible and feasible to build a roving torpedo equipped with advanced gyros that function like a sort of GPS guiding. The torpedo drone would know at all times where it is, which means it can navigate on its own to a previously set location where it lies and waits for a carrier group. Then it quickly emerges and detonates a massive conventional warhead. This ensures no nuclear retaliation. With an estimated displacement of 100 tons, you can pack 20 tons of high explosive on it. That much explosive detonated under the keel of a carrier will surely break its back and split it in two.
Carrier group´s location is known 24/7. Satellites make sure of that, we all know this. So the problem is relaying that data to a deep diving sub. If the mothership sub deploys the torpedo from 100 miles away, the gyro will make sure the drone gets there, including any sea floor maneuvering, without any further communication with it. Once it is in the immediate area, it uses its own sonar to pinpoint the carrier, and BOOOMMMM! Any enemy screening submarine will have just seconds to react.
This seems like a much more likely scenario than using it to nuke cities on the shore, and naval bases. An ICBM can accomplish that task just fine. This torpedo sounds more like a carrier killer.
@@Biden_is_demented communicating with deep diving subs easier than people think, as they can just put the antenna on cable and float it closer to surface. This is done on pretty regular basis even. Russia also has ELF transmitter that can be used to give submarines a call to rise into communication depth.
the torpedo lying in wait is rather old concept, there are anti-shipping mines that work just like that. Problem with this approach will always be vastness of the ocean and targeting problems that come with that (more on those later). Also the actual sound level of Status-6 will be important, it might be quite noisy given the speed, so the transit to standby area (or to tactical target) might give it's position away and time to deploy the (not yet realized) countermeasures. Also I don't think there is room for actual submarine steath techologies like raft mounting the machinery/reactor. Moreover Russia has repeatedly trained to use tactical nuclear weapons to gain upper hand on conflict with NATO so it makes sense Status-6 would be nuclear armed even in tactical solutions.
I personally don't believe that specially in war time carrier groups can be tracked 24/7 as satellites can be shot down, they can be blinded with ECM and suchs. At least no one can really trustthese days, that satellite coverage is going to be 24/7. Hence building a vast hydrophone network makes sense as one is none and two is one.
In short, no. Russians do not have first strike doctrine. Russians could not care less about US/NATO fleet if we are talking about nuclear war. Russians always assume that US will strike them with multitude if weapons in order to destroy Russian ability to respond with nuclear weapons. This new torpedo is one of the ways to assure US, that even tho US has surrounded Russia from almost all possible directions with all sorts of offensive systems, still Russian ability to strike back is guaranteed.
This torpedo can obliterate not only whole cities like NY and LA, it is possible that they are strong enough to create tsunami that can wipe out whole states, it is very possible that these torpedoes carry at least 50 megaton warheads, possibly even more.
But navy has suicide kamikaze uuv(decoy) to hit it tho 😂
Those Russian submariners are insane. How many subs have they lost over the years, dooming their sailors to horrific deaths?
Americans are slaves to Israel and Israel molests their kids. Thats sort of insane too
Not that much dude
Not more than the US
This and the USS Jimmy Carter are unbelievably fascinating vessels and I hope that someday we can know what battles they are fighting under the ice
Obviously they were both built to contain the things that slumber there
@@raycearcher5794 I'm not interested in fiction but have fun.
Mr Sutton, your content is great, but the audio quality leaves much to be desired. You either need a better microphone/audio system or you need some software sound editing.
I'm getting a distinct "T-14 Armata-/Su-57- Syndrome" from this thing.
The "Posiden" weapon has crazy capabilities. When you think about a 25 megaton explosion going off in or near a major port city (NYC, London, LA, etc.). It would be very difficult to identify the source of the disaster (Russia, China, North Korea).
Isn't the Moskov Russia's BIGGEST submarine?
joking aside, moskva's displacement was just about 11 thousand tons
All this talk about a tsunami or gigantic wave created by this poseidon thing are just hilarious...underwater tests have been carried out for many years in the Pacific and none have generated anything aside from the initial explosion water surge that very quickly subsides...and 10 months later than this video, the belgorod is still under construction, far away from sea trials....
Respect subject knowledge unlike other videos. Bravo 👏
I found a great new channel!!! Thank you Mr. Sutton!
how do you manage this.. wow... i wouldn't have the patience to do this myself but this is amazing how you infer and piece together so much information..... i don't even feel unsafe about this to be honest i know the importance of the balance of power, i guess if we where to mess about with this sub we would be destabalising the world
Here is the to me scariest theory about what Poseidon could be. Poseidon is part of the Perimeter Sytem (the Dead Hand) and is the final stage of the doomsday sequence of Perimeter. This could be the origin of "Status 6". It seems certain at this point that Poseidon can remain at sea autonomously for a very long time. IT can carry any payload imaginable. For use within Perimeter a cobalt salted nuclear device would be the most devastating. Depending on how well Poseidons brain is, it could receive weather data from remaining russian satellites and detonate at a position under air currents to maximize distribution of the cobalt across the to-be-devastated landmass. This could for example depopulate most of north america and make it totally inhabitable for more than 150 years. It's extremely plausible use case, taking into account that russia is extremely concerned to lose first strike capability due to the NATO missile defense, invalidating any deterrent potential of the russian arsenal (this is the main motiviation behind Satan II as well).
Issues with this theory are, that first and foremost someone has to be mad and an absolute monster to consider building a cobalt salted weapon. And its is questionable if Perimeter would be able to communicate to an underwater recipient with its functionalities (the command missile etc). So while a very plausible scenario and one that is fit to give you sleepless nights, knowing that it is mostly switched off because even the russians are afraid of its reliability.
And if Belgorod carries 4 or 6 of thses weapons, nothing stops the russians to have 5 fleet killer poseidons and 1 dooms day device. Or any combination that keeps you awake at night.
This is what happens when you slowly and underhandedly surround a nation, they are forced to build unthinkable weapons as a deterent.
@@KHETTIUS You do release that Russia turned all their neighbors against them, right? No one forces anyone to join NATO, except Russia of course. Just look at Finland and Sweden now thanks to the invasion of Ukraine
@@KHETTIUS If Russia didn't threaten the sovereignty of the nations around it then the nations around they wouldn't feel the need to group together to defend themselves. Take the nations of Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine and now Armenia (a country they had a treaty to defend and DIDN'T).
6:39 Ive seen this scene before. Skip Tyler said it looks like a magnetohydrodynamic drive.
Single, gigantic high tech Russian submarine with unknown ports believed to be for propulsion…het I think I’ve seen this one before too
And I'm off to watch Hunt for Red October. Great video Mr. Sutton, thank you.
always a treat, maximum of information, minimum of fluff.
Could Russia's giant torpedo be used to stalk American aircraft carriers, follow them around the world.
Giving them the ability to take out multiple carriers at the same time?
People simply do not understand that Russia does not care about US fleet. US fleet is completely meaningless in case of nuclear war, US fleet is good for bombing third world countries, that is it. This torpedo is for wiping out US coastal cities or even states depending on how strong warhead is in case of nuclear war.
@@andrisbig7710 why do you think they built the Oscar II then?
@@dhanu_4539 Did Russia built it? Soviet Union built them. Further more even when built it was obvious that they did not match the Soviet military doctrine even then. But USSR used to build many things, even very good things that in reality was just a waist of resources even by their own military doctrine. No Soviet admiral or ruler ever believed that there would ever be a situation where USSR fleet fights with massive US/NATO carrier group and then thats that, everyone goes back home. It would be just absurd. ONLY reason why USSR and NATO fleets would fight each other would be total war and then it would be completely nonsensical sideshow while nuclear weapons would rain down on every big city in NATO/USSR lands.
@@andrisbig7710 it's quite a theory You've got there,too bad that it doesn't make any sense at all..The Oscars aren't built to destroy carrier fleets, the are meant to stall them and buy time for the land forces, or simply for area denial. Just knowing that a fleet killer is in the area means the carrier needs additional escorts and aircrafts searching for it... not just the russians any country that has bad relations with the US would love to have a few fleet hunters just to stop being harassed and intimidated by the US.They are one of the most important assets of the Russian federation.
@@dhanu_4539
Let me give you an advice. When you have no clue about topic you want to speak about ask yourself - do i really need to speak about this? And let me give you answer, no you don't. What you have written is so stupid it is even not worth a response, i would just encourage you to reread what you have wrote sentence by sentence and really, really think about that.
There are two types of Poseidon torpedoes. Type 6 is the WMD, the smaller one is the tactical one. Present data showcases test systems, and not the final product. The tactical one is capable of annihilating carrier groups and in pack formation, is capable of crippling fleet yards and with some modification, taking beach heads for invasions. The main type is capable of carrying upto 150MT and thus can execute last resort missions including but not limited to destabilizing continental shelves and turning target nations waters into nuclear wastelands. The DSMs are meant to keep track of precise ocean currents and predict where to strike and when to strike.
As for Belgorods, well, they're just motherships for these missions. I think there's a few submarines currently well masked within the projects that would enhance prowling and stalking capabilities, thus ensuring that opposing fleets and ships cannot track them. Likely built to resemble the target's friendlies.
That's the creepiest idea I've heard so far and the worst case scenario I can imagine... these torpedoes can dive to extreme depths, they could be used to cause earthquakes by destabilizing continental shelves like you say.
@@JohnnyThund3r Detonating a nuke, west and north of San Francisco could destroy California with earthquakes along the San Andreas Fault
Mr. Sutton, please consider my request for a Comparison between MESMA AIP, Fuel Cell AIP, Sterling AIP and Lithium Ion Battery tech, with pros and cons of each. How long do you think the shelf life of each tech would last? Considering from a perspective of an Indian viewer when their rivals Pak has a MESMA AIP, and soon will have Sterling AIP, while India is yet to acquire even one, and P75I has a few variety of AIP options on the table.
Regards
Just saw a video chat from 4 months ago, that gives an overview of the topic, but a direct comparison with more details if available in the future would be welcome.
Its the Alycorn. Everyday we draw closer to the crazy world of Ace Combat.
that's a very big shovel they got there
We, Russians, call these weapons - wonderwaffle. Sudden day weapons. They are truly amazing and terrifying.
Russians suck Putin's wonderwaffle. 🤣🤣🤣
And Russia already has sufficient nuclear deterrence... no one is going to attack Russia or any other major nuclear powered nation. So trillions of Rubles are spent while those outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg starve.
So, the important question - does anyone make a 1/700 model of Belgorod yet?
Those big front doors remind me of the caterpillar drive!
Yeah, it was a cool movie plot but I don't see MHD happening on practical submarines. Just because you're not using propellers doesn't mean moving a lot of water is silent, especially when you need to run an absurdly powerful reactor to compensate for MHD's rock bottom efficiency. Perhaps covert development will prove me wrong in the future but I wouldn't bet on it.
@@_tyrannus defonitly not
Thanks for the informative vids
Glad you like them!
The worst thing for this vessel is it to be crewed by russian sailors.
Reagan (1983) "we got the Strategic Defense Initative, called Star Wars program!"
Obama (2009) "now we got the THAAD system!"
Putin (2018) "let me introduce you to the POSEIDON torpedo..."
...and Putin made many Russians glow in the dark and enjoy a shorter life span.
@@PlanetFrosty a fair price to pay for glowing in the dark if I were to say so myself
@@PlanetFrosty нет, не так.
Как у всех, медленно развиваемся. Продолжительность жизни может и не больше, чем у других, но тут много факторов.
@@PlanetFrosty из какой вы страны? Из Рая?)
In terms of why the weapon was built, I've heard a few things since you made this video which might improve our understanding of the motive, all from generally reliable sources, although, of course, how would anyone be sure without actually having a look under the hood? First, I've heard it is a salted bomb, perhaps with a Cobalt casing (the problem with a cobalt bomb on a torpedo is that it could have a very heavy casing, so there could be literally tons of cobalt in the casing). I've heard it's actually 200 megatons, not 100. I've heard that it is specifically intended to generate a tsunami. The thing about a 500 meter tsunami, the height estimated from a weapon of that size, is that it would negate essentially all fallout shelters and continuity of government shelters, as all would be flooded and buried in tons of sand/earth and debris,, and if there were survivors, and it was a salted bomb, the flood water, and most of the fresh water in the area, would be so radioactive you could not come in contact with it for more than a few minutes, for years after the blast, and the entire flooded region would not be inhabitable for up to 100 years later. It is possible that the Cobalt-60 could be mostly all directed towards the shore. I have heard that the weapon is meant to be detonated on the sea floor, perhaps in harbors, which would make sense, if you wanted to create a wave by reflecting the energy off the sea floor up and out. Depending on topography, reliable sources have estimated that a 100 megaton blast could have caused flooding 1,000 miles inland. A tsunami of that size could affect hundreds of miles of coastline.
Based on all of this, I would argue that the weapon was built as not just a negation of US missile defense and an undersea carrier killer, but primarily to make it clear that the Russian deterrent will end our civilization for generations, if we ever go to war with Russia. In light of current events, I believe the message is, Russia can enforce its sphere of influence regionally, and even if they would lose a conventional war, NATO cannot fight a war with Russia, under any conditions, or even provide certain kinds of aid to Russia's allies, or else Poseidon while shake their cities to the ground, wash away all memory that their enemies had ever been, and curse the ground they walk upon for a thousand years, so nothing will grow there, and anyone who eats of the fruits or drinks of the waters of the accursed land will perish. I suspect that's why they built it. But, if the Russian felt war was inevitable, it could also be a first strike weapon, allowing them to concentrate all ICBMs and cruise missiles on more inland targets. It is my understanding that, without a human crew, the torpedo not only travels at great depths, but it can also travel very slowly, around 3 knots, regardless of how long it takes to get there. Traveling so slowly and so deep could make it possible for the torpedo to be extremely stealthy, so it might be possible to use them as the first strike, and send them across the ocean in advance, with the 100 mph sprint only being employed if they are detected or if they wish to sprint through enemy defenses to their target. In fact, they may have already forward deployed Poseidons to western harbors, just in case, and the Belgorod may have the capacity to retrieve those forward deployed torpedoes at a later date. Such a system might have the ability to go dormant on the sea bed for years.
You don't need tons of cobalt on a nuke to poison the planet & pretty much kill every living thing. A comparatively little dab'll do ya. Couple hundred pounds, I should think. God help us all if either side uses cobalt laced warheads.
"but primarily to make it clear that the Russian deterrent will end our civilization for generations, if we ever go to war with Russia. In light of current events, I believe the message is, Russia can enforce its sphere of influence regionally, and even if they would lose a conventional war, NATO cannot fight a war with Russia, under any conditions, or even provide certain kinds of aid to Russia's allies, or else Poseidon while shake their cities to the ground, wash away all memory that their enemies had ever been, and curse the ground they walk upon for a thousand years, so nothing will grow there, and anyone who eats of the fruits or drinks of the waters of the accursed land will perish. I suspect that's why they built it. "
The problem with this; I think sane and intelligent minds in Russia should see, is that it will likely trigger a large nuclear response by the West, and in fact, I feel this should be the official NATO response on this.
"We know you have these weapons, and if you use even one of them on one of our major cities, we will convert Russia to a smoking ashtray; from its borders with the West, all the way to Kamchatka."
@@rjpx947 Ahhh, but the problem with that is, Russia has underground shelters sufficient for its entire population, and vastly superior, modern ICBMs and now these torpedoes too. We haven't built a new ICBM since the 1970s. Nor do we use Cobalt bombs, which means they can go down into their Soviet mega bunkers for 2 weeks, come out, and be safe to rebuild, as most of the radiation will have dissipated, as where our entire continent will be uninhabitable for 100 years if they use cobalt bombs, and if they use these torpedoes, the few government officials and billionaires who have bunkers to hide in will find themselves entombed in thousands of tons of highly radioactive debris, and probably flooded and drowned in radioactive water, from the 500 meter high tsunami that could come up to 1,000 miles inland.
We have nothing like that. We decided it was not worth investing in nukes, because they would never be used anyway, which was a delusion, and because they could not be survived anyway, which is also untrue for most of the population, if not for the government leaders, if we had kept our civil defense program alive, when instead, we defunded. So they can eradicate us, and most of them would probably survive and rebuild, and if we don't nuke China too, which I doubt Biden would, then China will help the Russians rebuild, and then China will rule the world for centuries, if Russia nukes us first, and we'll be worse off than they will, which means their deterrent is more credible than ours, and the use of the weapons hurts us a lot more than it does them, especially when you consider the effects just the EMP would have on us and Europe, and what the world would look like after that.
@@Gabriel_McMillan Clearly, you've made a very poorly thought out debate. You're making vast assumptions on what 'we' have.
@@rjpx947 I've studied the issue. I'm a military vet. I've read Andrew Marshall's biography. What we have is fairly well understood. Sure, there are secret projects and whatnot, but you're neglecting to take into account the very real effect that 50 years of anti-nuclear political leadership has had on the real balance of nuclear power between us and Russia. You're not fully appreciating the implications of the Poseidon. They call it a salted bomb for a reason. Salted, as in, the Romans are going to salt your fields, and your lands will remain barren for generations. That was the design specification, and they built it, and we did not, for better or for worse.
And perhaps that would not have been such a bad idea, if those same people who opposed any US nuclear investment for 50 years (nor any civil defense investment, I might add, nor EMP hardening), were not also the exact same people who are now hurling us blindly into a war with Russia based on a lie. Either you invest in the nuclear deterrent, or else you pursue detente. To disarm, and then over-extend globally, and then pick a fight with Russia, is utterly insane.
Interestingly, it is the realists who advocated matching or exceeding the Russian nuclear strategic capability (preferably in secret), and it was the realists who opposed getting us into a war with Russia over Ukraine too (especially not a war over a lie). Best of both worlds. Unfortunately, the realists have been in exile from Washington since at least the 1960s. Apparently realism is not particularly popular among the American electorate, in the wake of the post-Counter Culture zeitgeist, from 1960 to present day, which brought us not only Pelosi, Carter, AOC and the Obamas, but also the anti-terror warriors, from Bush to Kagan, Gen. Clark to Gen. Milley, whom we all know are also idealists, in their own unique ways. And now here we are, looking over the precipice of the deepest hole mankind has ever faced, in circumstances largely of our own making.
It was the idealists who disarmed us, and then it was the idealists who picked a fight with Russia, and it was even the idealists who picked that fight over a lie, and justified doing so based on the over-riding moral imperative to impose their values on Russia, at any cost. Well, the cost may be a Poseidon detonating in your harbor. Would it still be worth it then? That sounds like the worst of all worlds, and like your utopian dreams would almost certainly all die with you, under several hundred tons of radioactive rubble. Let's be realistic about this.
Belgorod, with Poseidon torpedoes, is an awesome first strike weapon. Did you consider this idea?
Absolutely. As long as you find somebody dumb enough to believe that you might be able to survive the retaliation after you strike with ONE fucking submarine.
And there aren't more and won't be for a long time.
It is the same with the Armata T-14. A huge piece of high-tech crap. Presented in 2015 and not one is used in any conflict so far. Why? Because they can't produce it properly. They still prototyping around this 'marvel' of russian engineering. And that is a fucking tank.
What do you think will happen if they try to build a second one? Or third? The US alone operates FOURTEEN SSBNs at the moment. Britain 4 and France 3, I think.
To top it off: The russians rely heavily on stuff built in the ending days of the soviet union. With no maintanence done since 1989 at all...
So yes, great showpiece and what not, but first strike? Really? They first striked a small nation just over two months ago... se how this went for the mighty russian forces. It would be a hillarious joke if not so many people would have suffered and died from the illusions of grandeur by the Russians.
I can’t believe they have the nerve to keep building these while they haven’t properly disposed of their old subs. Nuclear reactors just piled up in the port channel rotting away.
Ti's guys' knowledge and detailing is outstanding
Imagine a torpedo with multiple possible modalities; sub to sub, or sub to surface or sub to surface to air to land. Such a weapon would need to be very large to house the required navigation and propulsion capabilities for any possible modality.
It would have to be very impressive to fly and crawl onto land...
Sorry to mention the obvious, many of Belgorod’s missions are to maintain and defend Russia’s extensive developments and a few crewed bases, on the seafloor around northern arctic circle. Yes, other nations have paper claims to the seafloor, but Russia owns it by virtue of being able to occupy and defend the areas they have claimed. Russia also claims and can defend the northern sea routes being cleared of ice, thanks to warming waters there. Belgorods in those areas equates to ownership.
It's time for the Russian crews to all surface and turn their subs over to the Norwegians, English, Japanese and Americans.
Looks like a really huge target. Hope it’s stealthy enough.
Russia is deffinetly overcompensating for something.
Russian MOD explicitly explained why this new torpedo class was developed. They are not hiding this aspect and purpose. Apart from being a reliable "second-strike" element, it also offers difficulty in both detecting and neutralising. Consequently this can be both a defensive tool and an element of "first strike" or "preventative strike" component. So it is a multi-purpose, multi-role tool. And they are not hiding why they developed this new class of weapon. The main reason is NATOs expansion to Russian borders and direct threats posed to existing "deterrent". So, it is both logical and rational move to ensure effective umbrella against aggressors such as NATO. Disclosed technical info also includes arming this torpedo with "cobalt charge" as well as other variations.
Aggressors such as NATO. Right.
“NATO expansion to Russian borders” lol. Lmao even. Why do you think former Soviet states might want to join nato
“Aggressors such as nato” remind me, did nato invade Ukraine? Chechnya?
Russia is one of the most aggressive countries on the planet with sufficient nuclear deterrence... no one is going to attack Russia. If the US wanted Russia why didn't they do it when it was in shambles when the Soviet union collapsed. The US helped Russia and gave them billions to get back on their feet....plus western expertise is the only reason Russias oil network is profitable as it is.
The countries who were under the boot of Moscow ran as fast as they could to nato because they wanted to escape that hell.... it has nothing to do with nato expansion....lmao
The same was said about hypersonic weapons, but in Ukraine it has already worked. And without this underwater vehicle, Russia has 80-90% updated nuclear arsenal and delivery vehicles capable of overcoming any missile defense system, even its own. And more than 1000 nuclear charges can many times turn the United States into a radioactive hell from which even cockroaches will escape! In America, the same number of warheads, albeit with obsolete carriers, but some will fly and there will also be hell on earth! You need to be realistic, this is the best guarantee of survival in this world!
At 178m, this is not russia's largest submarine.
The Moskva is 186m, and has been engaged in a prolonged submerged mission since April.
The reason why Belgorod's propeller is covered is based on the diameter & number of blades, you can calculate a sonar return. Meaning ur new sub is identified b4 it hits the water.
I love all the Red October gems in the episode.
Excellent video as usual, terrifying topic though. What would be a reasonable guesstimate for the maximum yield of the thermonuclear device? It is just as massive for a (contemporary) nuke as Poseidon is for a torpedo...
2 megatons
@@HISuttonCovertShores That low?
If it was made to attack fleets it's okay but as a seconds strike weapon 2 megatons seems low for something that can only attack shores, the tzar bomba is 8 meters long and 2 meters wide
@@HISuttonCovertShores I've got to agree with Karl Dönitz (never thought I'd be saying that) that 2 Mt sounds strangely low for what looks to be such a massive bomb on the "leaked" papers.
For comparison, the Castle Bravo device (manufactured nearly 70 years ago) had a ~15 Mt yield, and measured 1.37m wide by 4.56m long for a weight of 10.6 tons ; the famous 60 years old Tsar Bomba of ~55 Mt yield was (including casing and fins) 8m by 2.1m for a weight of 27 tons.
Could it be that 2 Mt is merely the lowest yield setting (likely dialed for enhanced radiation), and thus maximum yield would be higher?
1.two-stage - 20 megatons. This is the standard 8K67 warhead.
2. three-stage - this is the AN602 device. Nobody knows how much is real. But over 50 megatons. Maybe a hundred.
3.20 megatons but with cobalt inserts in the shell.
Every indication shows that the U.S. is working overtime to create a situation where it will be able to use its nuclear weapons.
Russia on the other hand has openly said that the ever increasing presence of NATO forces on its boarders are not acceptable, any more than a Russian presence even near the U.S. is an open invitation for war, as we all saw in the Cuban missile event in the sixties.
The atititude of the U.S. is that its alright if the U.S. does it but not O.K. for any other country to even think of such action.
It clearly shows a very one sided atitude that requires some careful thinking about, and Russia has done just that, in other words how to overcome this resriction by being able to perform such action from a good distance, plus being able to perform such action with something that is a lot more than hard to keep up with.
A sub that is able to operate at exstreme depths, and far better than operate by crew on board, would far better be operated from land base positions.
This gives the indication that weapons that can operate at exsteme depth but remain dormant while at these depths would be ideal, requiring only one visit to put into situe by a larger unit.
I personally think that having had a lot of personal connections with this country has allowed me to be morecaware of the mindset involved, and everything indicates that this is how Russia aims to remain in front of threats for the U.S.
In oposition the the thinking of the U.S., Russia has a totally different mind set as to how to overcome any attempt to subdue the prevention of being able to strike back, and in fact make the response a lot more lethal.
dont invade your neighbours and they'll be less likely to join a defensive alliance against you, putin master strategist has made NATO bigger than ever
Belgorod sounds like a final boss
You still didn't see the secret boss yet LMAO
@@ikill-98 what would that be then
Something litterally out of ace combat. Its already gone missing for a long time
Me hearing the words “Russia” and “2 nuclear reactors”: oh boy…here we go again.
The most advanced submarine ever made...crewed by children who don't know what they're doing...
Here is an interesting question: why do Soviet and Russian nuclear powered submarines require a water scoop to cool their reactors whereas Western nuclear powered submarines do not?
Can it be towed by a tractor?
Belgorod: "I am so big and intimidating!"
Virginia class: ..............
Excellent video. Question how much cost Belgorod vs Typhoon estimate?
Thanks for the update. Good that the Belgorod project did not go to waist after the collapse of the URSS.