Example Of What Is Meant By Crazy Or Freakish Muscle Insertions
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- A controversial video in which Jason Blaha explains how differences in muscle insertions and muscle bellies can make bodybuilders of similar sizes and lean body mass look larger and smaller than each other. When it comes to aesthetics, many visual artists already know and take advantage of ideal proportions and size relationships within the human frame. Symmetry, overall shape and development of the musculature, relative size and proportions of the skeletal structure, affect how one judges the attractiveness and fitness of each contestant on stage in physique and bodybuilding competitions. Some people have a few genetic gifts for overall proportion and symmetry without having any particular distinguishing attributes when it comes to the fullness and roundness of perfectly balanced musculature. Others may have impressively developed and well-placed muscle insertions in the biceps or calves yet struggle to develop an impressive back, or a be genetically gifted with a strong full back, but also have extremely slow growing shoulders and legs. Jason goes over photos of various physiques, showing just how much being genetically gifted can really set you apart from the rest of the crowd (all things being equal such as: training and intensity levels, height, weight, diet, and lean body mass). Feel free to share your opinion and/or thoughts below:
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Serge Nubret was 225 pounds and 5'11"
You had one job...
+Ben insertion have everything to do with being a successful BB and not being one...total morons many of you ...not help in sight.
+xanthromera he was over 100kg in off season
Interesting!
Where did you acquire the glorious music btw?
lol
It's Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, K 525 Allegro written in 1787.
BASED
It's the mafuggin Golden One!
One thing that really frustrates me is that if you mentioned insertions and how genetics are so important in bodybuilding/recreational bodybuilding, a high proportion of gym goers or bros would probably have no idea and just say you're not working hard enough. I suffer from measly bicep insertions like yourself Jason, and nothing can change that. This is part of the reason I despise the fitness industry now. Full of false hope.
I have higher biceps than Jason. Get over it and train over a beast. That is what I did and got my arms from in August 2014(14 inches) to now over 16 inches. Extremely high biceps did not stop me.
Tom Kerby I'm 6'4" and I have really short muscle insertions. My lats are shoved all the way up under my armpits and my biceps look like little tennis balls that are attached to my deltoids. As far as you're concerned, I have no arms because my tris sit so high up, they don't even make it out of the bottom of a short shirt sleeve and are non-visible. The bottom half of my upper legs don't even look like they have muscle because the muscle all sits right below my hips in my upper thigh and ass. I will never have a very full back because most of the muscle sits very high, paired with high lats and a skinny waist. It sucks because my extremities make me look skinny while all my muscle bunches up at the joints and doesn't fill out very much past that. I will never look like a traditional bodybuilder and will always probably resemble one of those 90's Image comic book characters with a skinny waist and ridiculous proportions in the shoulder & upper leg area. But the point is, it's bodybuilding and you don't have to build a proportional body, you just have to build the body you want. So even though my lats sit up right under my armpits and will never grow vary far down to give me a certain "thickness", I can at least grow them and my shoulders out to give myself a "width" that will always stand out because I have a skinny waist. So even though my quads will never pop out of my pants, I can at least grow a huge ass to fill them out. I've tossed aside the conventional notion of bodybuilding being about getting as big as possible and more about building yourself into something you're proud to see.
hevquip
You have a body just like mine. When you want to showcase your musles, just wear snug fitting shirts with arm sleeves that are short and tight. I know what you mean. I have super high biceps, like 2.5 inches atleast and a high triceps.
I never look at replies lol
Here where you are wrong buddy
About your lats Is not quiet accurate
What you have under your armpit is the insertion of the lats not the origin
In fact the latismus Dorsi muscle has the widest origin of all your back muscle it take origin from 5 diffrent places and the tendon where it insert is really small so there is no such thing as very high lats because of this
how can you hate the fitness industry for your genetics 😂😂
Also small joints/bone structure plays a huge roll on how you look. A guy with a 14" forearm and a 6" wrist is going to look MUCH bigger than a guy with a 15" forearm and an 8" wrist. Even though the second guy has a higher FFMI. That also plays a huge roll in what constitutes as "good genetics".
very true. not to mention waist measurements and how wide your back structurally
Why would he look bigger with smaller joints than the other example ?
@@Epsh13793 the forarm is copared to the wrist. The smaller the wrist the higher the ratio. And if u have a higher ratio u will habe bigger looking forearms.
Mozart - Eine kleine Nachtmusik (Serenade No. 13 for strings in G major)
Fun fact : It takes a fat person 4 months to achieve your physique. truestory
Depends HOW fat exactly
Why u gotta be mean lol
FUAAAAARKKKK BRAH
Classical gains
You are seriously delusional if you think you (or that natty pro in the vid) has the same amount of muscle mass as Serge. Any type of BMI or FFMI or whatever is an absolutely useless number for comparing physiques so please don't spread that shit around. Serge looks like that because he has literally twice the muscle mass you have, not just because of muscle insertions.
Kristijan Solev the ignorance that you just typed is profound. Do you not know what FFMI is? Even mentioning BMI in this context make you look stupid btw you might want to edit that part out.
Thats weird, you look alot taller than 5'9
siqpuppie long arms.
+JuggernautFitnessTV and camera angles
+JuggernautFitnessTV that reach would come in handy in boxing/mma, if you really are avg height rather than the 6ft you look
steamboat Yeah but if you're uncoordinated as fuck it isn't really gonna matter.
Because the camera is always lower. It gives the illusion of height.
Saw a Mexican dude at the gym the other day, lowest tricep insertions I've ever seen, including guys like Roelly, Mentzer or Oliva. His tricep was literally down to his elbow, maybe a 1 inch gap, and this was his LATERAL head not the long head. Craziest thing I've ever seen, arms looked full as hell.
Thankfully I benefit from small joints/good insertions... In my avatar I was about 195 lbs at 6' 3" and people believe I'm at least 220-230.
Is this channel a joke? Juggernaut FitnessTV? Seriously?
Strength-wise, how do muscle insertions good or bad for bodybuilding relate to each other?
plz stick to powerlifting vids. and for god's sake don't flex your biceps in front of a cam.
That music is annoying so stop it jason
best insertions: Dillett, Levrone, Winklaar, Oliva, Mcmillan and Heath
From what I can tell Serge has short insertions, it's just his arms are probably close to 19 inches cold and he's on gear.
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People who studied anatomy are throwing hissy fits.
would having really amazing bodybuilding insertions be less advantageous in powerlifting or sports? because you would be carrying more muscle per muscle cross sectional area due to muscle being longer. Or does having lower insertions generally make some lifts more biomechanically advantageous i powerlifting due to moment arms being shortened.
Serge Nubret - a legend, one of my favourite bodybuilders from the golden age.
He was still a big guy even at 70 and was training really hard.
Interesting fact- he never in his life did a cardio, but he did an 1 hour sit-ups every day.
Respect to a true legend!
umm if you're doing an hour straight of sit ups it becomes a cardio lol. j/k but in all seriousness that's a lot of freaking sit ups.
Ashengard he did light weight high rep lifting for hours every day though... that is basically a form of cardio.
clearly you people don't know anything about sports, my swimming coach never stepped foot in the pool and he didn't have a swimmer's physique because he doesn't have to. Being an athlete is whole another thing than being a coach! This dude may have a lot of knowledge, having six packs doesn't make you a zen about finess, it just indicates that you have a low body fat and maybe that person don't even know to work out but extremely lucky about genetics. So he can be even 50% body fat if he is talikng the truth that's the case. You people gotta be greatful because this guy is not sponsored by companies but doing this just to help us and educate us...
Thats why you'll never understand' it is not about winning. It is just about having great time and achieving a better self
+Serhat Ilgaz Yöner wise
+Denis Dražetič thank you :)
So true! But then again Arnold had some of the best pair of arms in his era... And his bicep did NOT insert that far down on the upper arm... Still a massive peak... Maybe it's more about traning specific to target the lower part of the bicep? idk... But you're def right he is amazing!
??? Serge Nubret was 220lb.
Jensan pls no music
kthxbye
***** I've no idea who you're talking about. Anyway, I listen to classical music and absolutely love it, but it has no place as background to videos, it's fucking annoying.
***** The accents were funny for like 3 videos. Then I genuinely wanted to just hear Bart and his thoughts on his training/programming.
Is a muscle with an exceptionally long belly stronger or weaker than a short-bellied muscle-all else being equal?
What about flexibility potential?
.....RVM45
All else being equal the muscle with the greater cross section area is going to be stronger, in other words "thickness" determines how much you can lift in a slow and controlled fashion. On the other hand the muscle with the longer belly will be able to shorten faster, which will allow it to develop more dynamic power (throw things faster, run faster, jump higher, etc.).
Unfortunately, usually a longer muscle belly will also be able to grow thicker than a shorter muscle belly, so longer muscles are most often superior in terms of overall athletic performance, however there are many other factors which have major influence here -type 1 to type 2 muscle fiber ratio, tendon insertions and origins, neural efficiency and probably a few others I'm not aware of...
Filip Kunc I am hardly an expert but doesn't the neural efficiency have as much an influence on strength as these other factors, if not more?
I don't know enough to answer that question, sorry.
FlyFlippage Relax, no need to get butthurt. What Jason is talking about has little to do with insertions and origins and almost everything to do with the shapes and sizes of muscle bellies. When he points to his arm, where his biceps belly ends and refers to it as the insertion, he is wrong. Plain and simple. What he is pointing to is the end of his muscle belly, the actual insertion is on the radius, whether it's half an inch farther or closer to the elbow is largely irrelevant to what he is talking about. Likewise when he speaks about his "insertion" near the shoulder he is doubly wrong, because biceps has it's origins on that end, not insertions and they aren't even at the top of his shoulder, but on the clavicle and the scapula. I'm not quite sure why you wrote your essay about natural variability as I have not implied it doesn't exist.
As you have surely noticed, pointing that out makes me sound like a pedantic asshole, which is not my intention, hence the little disclaimer I wrote. I like this channel, which is why I am subscribed to it.
As for all the other things you said, I'm not sure how they address anything I've said about force generation. Longer muscles tend to move the limbs they are attached to faster than shorter ones, everything else being equal. Muscles with insertions and origins farther away from the joints tend to have better leverage, and people with naturally higher neural drive are able to contract a slightly larger number of motor units at once, thus being stronger. Is any of that incorrect?
Oh, and what exactly is wrong with looking things up on Wikipedia? Are you implying that if I want to learn something about, for example, anatomy I must take a university course in anatomy? That is pretty igrnorant.
FlyFlippage
There is a comment here by user Malukaluna:
'do "good" muscle insertions correlate with a higher strength potential?'
Because Jason didn't use the term "insertions" correctly, I'm not quite sure if Malukaluna means "long muscle bellies" or "muscle insertion points that give superior leverage" when he says ' "good" muscle insertions'. Now you see why I got so anal about using anatomical terms correctly in an educational video about human anatomy.
Why are u always out of breath?
I think another important factor is how your body retains water, stores fat, and reacts to stimulation. If your muscles hold water easily- it's more common they will look "fuller". If your body tends to store muscle on your arms, or stomach, shoulders (any place that might affect how it "looks") you might have 17" arms that look smaller than some other guys ripped/veiny 15.5" arms. By stimulation I mean how well your muscle flexes. If you have a good mind-muscle connection it's easier to "hard flex" which makes the muscle look even nastier. Just my opinion. Loved the video!
LOL wtf kinda video.... Sergio Nubret had a good 20-30 lbs on that guy, where did you get 6 foot 200 lbs from??????????
A) Bodybuilder Natty pro is 180 lbs, not over 200. B) Why would you compare someone on gear to a Natty that's got 30 lbs less of muscle to show insertion points? C) You should have shown two natties or two geared compared to each other to display insertion points. D) I'm not hating, just advice.
I have no idea what this video was even about. I've probably made 3,000 videos over the years since making it. lol
you know your shit
One is much leaner than the other. One is also on steroids (even if the natty pro is on steroids, he isn't talking what serge was). This comparison was a bit flawed. But serge does have insane insertions.
Tazo the natty pro if he is on steroids has as much muscle as Serge unless you are convinced Serge is much leaner. They are the same height with the same contest weight. There are MORE drugs available today that can pass through the drug testing of natty shows than even existed in Serge's day... not saying Serge didn't use buckets of deca and primo but keep in mind natty bodybuilders today have access to a larger variety of drugs than the untested pros did back in the 70s.
JuggernautFitnessTV so just because they are the same height and weight.. that means they have the same amount of muscle? your fucking kidding right?
+JuggernautFitnessTV The natty pro is not 6% bodyfat. Closer to 8%. Considering that Alberto Nunez got measured at 6.2 (I know that there are flaws in DEXA scans, but still gives an idea). Serge is close to 5-6% in that picture and is holding less water. Lets say the pro has about 2 lbs of water. Serge also is in better lighting and has access to drugs that make him look bigger than he is. All things considered serge could have an easy 7-8 lbs of muscle on the natty pro which could easily look like much more than that with drugs. Is m not saying that he doesn't have much better insertions than the guy on the right, he most certainly does, but this comparison is very flawed. Just because someone has the same weight and height DOESN'T mean the same amount of muscle. With bone structure, water retention, lighting, bodyfat estimations, bone density, organ size, etc. there is no way to truly know if these guys have the same amount of muscle just from those 2 numbers. Obviously serge has better insertions, but there are more factors than you are giving credit to. Insertions can make you look much better than the next guy, but this example is a vast exaggeration of that difference.
Also a side note: I have no idea who the natty pro is, but judging by that picture ALONE, kid say that that physique is achievable naturally.I think the FFMI that Jason gave is to high. Because he underestimated the fat that the guy had.
JuggernautFitnessTV
I think you're right about them having roughly the same amount of total muscle, but I think they do carry their weight a little differently, which greatly enhances the illusion of big size difference between.
Sergio has the waist of an 8 year old boy, which surely allows him to carry more muscle around his shoulders and still have the same weight and muscle mass as someone who has wider hips and bigger torso.
Sergio clearly has a lot more muscle in his chest, but that is, as you have pointed out in your video, due to his superior muscle belly in his chest.
Tazo agreed
This vid made me realize I have the same bicep insertions as Jason, haha. Guess it's good I'm more concerned about the size of my legs than of my arms.
theyre in different poses... dunno if much can be discerned. also one photo is pretty candid and the other looks like a pro job, not the most legit image for explanation
you're an idiot
bruh 25%bf
I just realized that I am a genetic freak.. praise God
I feel you lmao I just realized how lucky I am.
Serge nubret, king of aesthetics
You misspelled ZYZZ
Zyzz brah
You all need to get a grip, he isnt giving fitness advice, he's giving opionions!!!! Don't like it dont watch, quit bitching!
I like the videos but you do not have a 25 ffmi maybe 20 not taking away from your strength but like call a spade a spade.
Dude you are way lower than 25%! Making your FFMI way higher, give yourself credit man.
You're 5'9 ?????????? I always thought you're about 6'4-6
haha that bicep shot, funny guy
Jason I'm not getting at you, just purely asking. Why do you care about any of this? You always make the distinction between yourself powerlifting and others bodybuilding but then make videos comparing and the drugs that are used. Is it just because a lot of your viewers ask for it? I like you and your channel. I just don't know why you're bothering with this kind of stuff, leave it to the people who want to look pretty and strive for narrow waists.
Great video and explanation!!!! It's sad that a lot of people fight for something that they will never truly never genetically possess. I completely agree with you that understanding where your genetic potential comes into play, is the area you need to focus on! an interesting video would be one that shows two separate people who have completely different muscle bellies lifting their same EQUAL max weight! Do that and then show the difference in size
Sergey my nigga and my brother he look out and represent for the brothers like me. You know what i say?
Do muscle insertions factor into strength at all? or is that mostly leverages
Adam Hamdan they do but how they effect leverages for each individual lift might be something you would need to do your doctoral research on to get an answer to.
U ever train arms?
thx!
Ahh that Mozart
Never been more entertained by a man talking about another mans physique.
Nubret is my favorite hands down. Then Oliva followed by Bertil Fox
"natty pro" lol
Lower body fat build muscle, inserts will be fine.
jason blaha has insane genetics
Great video and example of something that was similar to my question on your previous video (or the one before that)! Serge had certainly was a freak, but very aesthetic!
Has anyone ever said you remind them of a powerlifting Happy from the MCU?
Not only has they never happened, I literally have never heard of this character myself. lol
You up early Jason!
Loving the soothing music Jason!
Mozart.
This is why i watch your channel man
The originality is beautiful
please dont compare that noob to serge
I have pretty good insertions, but in order to show them off I have to go down so much on my bodyfat% that my "decent" 340 wilks goes into the shitter.
so is it genetics or drugs that give you that look? you said Rob riches' full look came from drugs in your recent how to spot a fake natty video.
+ghastpie the look he´s talking about in this video depends on one´s genetics purely, as he said. it depends on the muscle insertions which you can't change. rob riches is a different topic. he´s talking about looking full while being very lean, if you're natty and you get that lean you look depleted you're muscles are flat. he´s using the term "looking full" for two completely different things. one is about the muscle looking full, so not flat which normally happens when you cut - which can be attained with drugs. and in this one he´s talking about the actually muscle fibers that give the muscle a more full more round look. it´s two different things
Sergio Olivia had best insertions and genetics. Shitty poser, frequently bad conditioning and notoriously poor attitude. Got eclipsed by lesser bodybuilders that played the game. We know one especially.
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topics like this are so interesting, please do more on insertions etc!
Those chunks of muscle you are describing that Serg has are what happens when you actually work out properly and try to look good instead of working out your 1 rep maxes only.
Mentally dumb
^physically fat
Everything in your post is hilariously wrong
Well when I feel the need to make videos explaining why I don't look good even though I work out nd blame it on others having good genetics ill come have you proof read my whining script.
A lot of haters on this channel talking about how shit this dude this - I admire his calm responses. Learnt something new from this vid.
apolgoies if someone asked this but I couldn't find the answer.. who is the natty pro?
"Informa-tive!"
build up of scar tissue in your lower bicep ?? very inconsistent lump, scar tissue from the site injections?
AllAboutTheOak I've already said this publically. Yeah I have some scar tissue from 1cc test/eq injections. So kind of makes you feel bad for the guys doing 3cc of synthol twice a week in smaller muscles, they are going to have some MASSIVE scar tissue in 5-10 years. I have scar tissue form 1cc anabolic injections done once a week or once every 2 weeks from over 10 years ago still there. LoL
JuggernautFitnessTV OK, i missed that. I wouldn't worry about it though, only noticeable to people who are looking for it. Would injecting the upper/mid bicep be an option? or is that ill-advised.
Dave M didn't do anything after 6 months of it every day.
You should have them in screen when you are talking about them so I don't have to wonder what the hell you are talking about
thanks!!
What bothers me is there's something that goes across my upper chest, idk what it is and it makes it look kinda bad
Mario Biondi
couldn't it be problems with structural-integrity sort to speak? like for example a few weeks ago I went to a chiro and took x-rays for my neck and shoulders because I had horrible pain and limitation to my ROM. He showed me that I had a forward head issue (lack of curve in the neck portion of the spine) and even since I started the rehab I look better and my poses look better even after almost 9 weeks of no heavy lifting. What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me but I'm hoping that it's not the case with me. Thanks for the good info
Random question I got my elbow tendonitis back. I was fine for about 6 months after a cortisone shot and physical therapy. I have even rested for months and only did about 40% my max rep. but I don't think resting helps at all. Maybe get another cortisone shot?
Dude you do have really bad bicep insertions. But hey everyone has weak points right
who know if the black one skip leg day xD
i think your biceps insertions are actually pretty nice?? It's full and deep.
Great video as always, but please do not put this music again on any other video. It sucks, Jason, seriously.
To those saying Jason doesn't know what he's talking about because he has a bit of fat, I have abs, and can guarantee I can't coach better than Jason, and have nowhere near his knowledge and experience.
😒!!!
what!!
I'd be willing to guess that the one on the right has bigger legs than the one on the left to make up for the visible upper body mass difference at same height and weight
ffm index is only reliable at low bf levels jason, your point was not accurate there
The "long" biceps has its own advantages. Your arms just look overal larger than those of guys with short bicep when you are not flexing which is like 99.99999% of your time, you have easier time to gain some mass to them.
Stop playing music! How am I supposed to listen to your glorious voice!
I have similar arm genetics as you man it kinda sucks but i have a good peak
i mean i have short biceps, but i kinda love having short biceps because they are so peaky
What about synthol and/or implants?
Jason what if I underwent surgery to fix my insertions so they'll look better?
Sorry to say Jason but in this vid you are over 25% bf. Anyone that has never actually gone sub 10% will always underestimates their bf... always. Cause until you go sub 10% (and Im not saying you should or must in any way) you wont really be aware of just how much fat you are actually holding.
The fat that is stored intra-muscle is substantial at your level. Like when you buy a steak and there is all that fat marbling all through the meat... that is the fat that is hiding in your actual muscles. You cant really see it, it just looks like solid muscle with a layer of fat over it, but the truth is there is fat marbling in your muscles AND a layer of fat over your muscles.
When a guy cuts down sub 10% it looks like he loses muscle mass and certainly in some cases where the cut is not performed correctly, he does. But when the cut is done correctly, the guys muscle bellies will still shrink (natty) even though the actual amount of muscle has not changed... just the glycogen stores and fat marbling within the muscle are low.
well over 25% I'd say
I'm trying to determine whether or not there is any point in me lifting weights. I am not so much into bodybuilding but more powerlifting. It would appear that i have high muscle insertions. Does the increase in peak from a high insertion compensate for loss of strength?
do "good" muscle insertions correlate with a higher strength potential?
More videos like this
You realise taht your have allot More water weight
It is almost 2019 why are we even talking about this video or my stats back then?
@@JasonBlaha The point still stands you defintly dont have as much muscle as the guys you talked about it dosient matter what your stats were back then i youst sa this video in my recommendetions but ohter wise i aggread with The video
Should of put Layne's picture in there.
MOMO BENAZIZA! Google, him!
fat free mass index only works if your lean
Hey could you tell if I have good insertions or not
Mind u muscle fullness plays a large roll in this
Lol'd at the immediate acknowledgment on who's natty.
you are only 25 percent body fat?