@robert1340, You won't believe how emergency situations and fear can make people even to forget the most obvious things and disable the logical thinking. I know the pilots are being trained, but they are still people. I used to do some extreme and not very extreme sports. I saw people petrified and stiff once something goes wrong, even though you know it and trained that. I can tell a lot of stories that would seemingly sound like "the sky is blue" except people are loosing control of whatever happens. Simple example - I once faced tourists group that panicked just because some member tripped and fall on the road and broke a leg. On the road. Where car can reach (not on a freiken mountain hanging on rope 500 meters above the ground). In 10-15 minutes drive from closest rescue base to my knowledge. With clear mobile phone coverage. Whole group was standing shocked for nearly _half an hour_ around that person without even giving any kind of help or pain reliever. Noone even tried to call ambulance or rescue team - it's was a simple as calling 911 (112 for that region). It's a darn broken leg, not an advance rescue operation or advanced knowledge. Just give a pain reliever and call rescue guys. Not a broken single engine of the plane. And I just don't want to tell more severe and dangerous cases. it worth admitting it - people DO panic sometimes. Even trained ones. And yes - sometimes simple calm and confident word even of passer by can "reboot" individual. Reminding "fly the plane" doesn't cost anyone on frequency too much. It's not much of distraction. Just a word of support and remind.
PIC: "I have an engine out. I'll be landing on Lake Butler." ATC: "Copy that. Be advised Lake Butler is water, not land." PIC: "Copy. I'll be splashing Lake Butler." Crash 6: "I'll be waiting for you at the airport."
Memelord McMeme I have been a firefighter for 20 + years and I don’t know who they get to work crash, but I am sorry their IQ must be less than their shoe size.
It's unbeliavable these two people survived this crash. Kudos to the great pilot who kept calm and put it down safely!! For information, it's a father and his daughter... :)
I've flown out of KORL. Pretty congested area around the airport. Not a whole lot of choices to put down safely. You either have trees, houses, or a million small lakes. He did indeed make the best possible choice to minimize damage on the ground (and to themselves).
AV8R Of course it's always easy to monday-morning-quarterback this thing. We all think (hope) we would do better. It's a little different when you have a dead engine over populated areas and a front seat to the shit show.
Aww. The Chief Flight Instructor checking in to see if it was one of his planes got me. I can't imagine that pang of dread and that (mildly guilty) sense of relief after finding out it _wasn't_ one of yours that went down.
When I was an instructor, I once got a phone call saying, "Your Studen Josh is missing." My heart fell out of my chest. Thank God he had just decided to take a way longer lunch than planned.
First instruction I ever received from my instructor, and the first thing I ever pass on to a student is echoed in what the unidentified voice at 2:37 said..."Maintain control, sir. Fly the plane". In an airplane, or even if in a car, a boat, a motorcycle...when the unexpected happens the outcome will likely balance as much or more on whether you continue to fly, drive or operate your vehicle and less on the circumstances. Never forget to fly your airplane.
T H I S The one time I lost control on the interstate, my snap reaction was to go into skid control mode and I put the car into hard opposite steering lock. It didn't recover the skid, but it kept the car skidding sideways on a straight trajectory, and ultimately off the side of the highway and into some shrubs instead of skewering me on the end of a guard rail. Only damage was some blades of grass stuck between the tire beads and rims.
If something goes wrong on your motorcycle, it's going to be pretty hard to operate it though. Sure it has happened many times before but more often than not, the safe option is actually leaving the bike to do it's own thing and focusing on sliding on your skid pads if you have them.
@@calyodelphi124 Yes, i've seen it so many times in crash videos. People losing control either darting it into the guard rails/side barriers or fishtailing it a couple of times and then sliding into the rails. Best option is to try and enter a powerslide only focusing on keeping the vehicle going somewhat forwards on the road sideways. It's not a game and it's not a race track so you'd better NOT try and recover at 60+ mph because that's how people die. Race drivers can do it on the race track but only because they have race cars set up for that stuff, safety gear and crash barriers.
@@Xanthopteryx Or, assuming you are quick about it... STOP *S* top what you are doing *T* hink about what got you here *O* rient yourself and consider your options *P* lan
Way to pay attention. Chopper reports plane completely submerged yet tower continues to report he went down in a field, and crash 6 probably still thinks the Cherokee is inbound for landing.
An alert 2 is an aircraft inbound with a emergency. An alert 3 is an aircraft that has crashed. The ground controller was giving the crash driver the wrong alert which caused the confusion.
Exactly! As a career firefighter for a large and busy department, I can confirm that as soon as his finger left the mic key, he said exactly that or something along the lines of...”10 miles?! WTF do you want me to do about it?!” Unfortunately, for many guys with a lot of years under their belts, they become complacent and irritated even when they have to run a call. Ending up at your city’s airport station is kind of a running joke throughout the fire service. You’ve gone there to ride out your last few years and not do much because airport fire stations are notoriously slow. Old salty dogs that should just hang up their boots and helmet and call it good. They give us all a bad name. in my humble opinion, the department should make every probationary firefighter or even your 1st three years at the airport and not allow the old salt and vinegar guys go there to retire. If only. Sorry folks, not all firefighters were created equal.
Albert Ledesma Some departments use the airport personnel as administrators as well. I know when my dad was assigned to the airport fire station, they handled a lot of scheduling and PTO requests, etc.
@@albertledesma5173 "they become complacent and irritated even when they have to run a call." Will always be grateful for their service, but if they reach that point, they have no business there.
I have inside info that Crash 6 is still waiting to this day for that emergency aircraft to land at the airport. He is pulling in some serious double time.
This was really neat. I live in this area and as soon as I heard "Chopper 2", I knew that was the local NBC affiliate helicopter. It always gives me a fuzzy feeling when people come together - outside of their respective job functions - when an emergent situation is occurring. I don't remember seeing this no the news, so I'm not sure when it happened, but I'm certainly glad everyone was ok. I have to imagine a water landing isn't the easiest thing to do... so kudos for this pilot for keeping a calm head and putting that aircraft down like a pro!
Need to be kinder to crash 6. Most common for them to respond to incoming emergencies or incidents on/near the field. And clearly that's what they thought. Was only alerted because plane was initially trying to make it back. Those diesel engines on the fire vehicles are super loud & maybe had gear on too. Give them some credit for being the ones willing to respond to a crash & run right up to the fire. 🚒
Great job by the boater. But Crash 6, Seriously ? ATC- “The plane went down”. Crash 6 - “ Is he coming in and can I follow him ?” ATC - “He’s down. He was going to try and land, but he’s down.” Crash 6 - “Do you have him on radar ?...” HE’S DOWN !! On the ground, the water, a field, a road, a parking lot, in bushes, a yard, or a football field, but he...is...DOWN ! Crash 6 - “So uh tower, how soon do you expect him here at the field ? Do you have communication with him ? Can you still see him and n radar ? ....
Looks like he put it in so that the pilot side would take the brunt of the impact and so that the passenger would have a good shot of escaping. If that was his intention, he is definitely a hero!
C- Bud Sounds like he was with a loved one the way he was talking on coms. Hopefully it wasn't that passengers first experience with an aircraft. Glad they made it.
AV8R he was ditching a plane into a lake with his daughter of board, you don't know everything involved flight wise or what was going on in his head. He flew his side int the water to give his daughter the best shot at survival, and considering they both survived I'd say he did just fine.
Glad crash 6 woke up, took a shower, listened to a podcast, called his mom, read a magazine, then contacted tower and asked all the relevant questions.
Crash 6 reminds me of that ship that had to be told to shut the hell up by Titanic's telegraph operator because they kept asking what the problem was for 2 hours after being told countless times that the boat was sinking.
It always amuses me that the Captain of that ship’s name was Lord..and after countless attempts to notify the Titanic at 11pm he said “f*ck em” and went to bed...and the guy responsible for sinking the Titanic was named Murdoch....I see a corollary to the 21st Century right there.
_Titanic_ told two ships to STFU during the course of the night. First, the _Californian_ when she interrupted _Titanic_ sending and receiving passenger telegraphs to and from a coastal station in order to tell her about ice in the area. _Californian_ 's radio operator retired for the night shortly afterwards. _Californian_ was the closest vessel to _Titanic_ when the latter sank (
@@m109rider1956 wtf is he going to do if the crash is 10 miles from the airport? these arent the people flying helicopters ect, these are the people driving fire engines and such on the runway.
@@letterslayer7814 It's not the fact he isn't willing to go 10 miles out. it's the fact that it literally took 5 attempts to get him to understand the plane's altitude is equal or lower than 0 agl and its speed is 0kts.
@@boahneelassmal to be fair, when she said he went down 10 miles from the airport he might've thought she meant that he "went down that way" or like flew 10 miles that way and that's where he is now. I'm sure he was pretty shocked to hear that they crashed
Getting a pilots license was on my bucket list, but by the time I was in a position to do it, I had hearing aids in both ears. Even with them, I cant understand most of the audio in these videos. Thanks for adding text.
Crash 6: "Ok, let me take a pee first, I may stop at Starbucks too just in case. Oh crap I forgot my keys. Oh man I can't find my wallet, I swear I had my wallet yesterday when I went to the Gym. Do i need to bring a sweater? I heard it's kind of cold, hold let me get my sweater first"
I hope and pray that some of you don't have this kind of anger in the air.... From what I have learned just listening to good pilots, nothing is a given under emergency conditions. BEST WAY TO KEEP LEARNING IS TO STAY HUMBLE.
Crash 6 ...... The Plane went down in Lake Butler 10 miles from the Airport a Couple of yrs ago.. No need for you to Stay out on the taxi-way anymore... They Bought a New Plane and are at Home right now probably listening to this on VASaviation and Subscribed... Hit The Like Button !!!
Crash 6 did not have a nice youtube video with all information from DIFFERENT frequencies. Even ground didn't have the most up to date info as they talked to him! Ground said alert 2 (emergency vehicle inbound), not alert 3 (aircraft down) so it's understandable he would ask again when told essentially 'emergency aircraft is coming, went down 10 miles west'. Is it down, or is it coming, ground? And if it crashed 10 miles west, do you want them to go, or would you rather call fire dept, who are probably closer and most likely have BOATS to get to the plane in the water... Never saw a boat chasing down emergency landing aircraft on an airport personally... Tower was dealing with a lot of things atm, and giving up to date, not completely verified (tail number? saved by someone on boat?) info was probably not high on their priority list. Chase 2 happened to be near and on frequency, and offered help, real nice guy. But he only saw people on board a boat by the crashed plane, so its not verified everyone was safe. And since aircraft was submerged, he could not confirm the tail number - you never know, maybe it was different aircraft that crashed into the lake, and the one they talked to crashed somewhere else. Am I missing something?
Wow, I'm not sure if I heard about this or just forgot, but where he went down was right behind my uncle's house. I've fished in that lake several times.
Listing to it from Crash 6 point of view. He hears it went down and wonders why he is out their. He asks for confirmation and is led to believe that it is still in the air and must of misheard that they were down.
I was thinking the same thing. If I were to ditch my plane I would not choose to come in at that angle and it sounded like he had some time and the experience to level it out.
ah come on +drfaustus72 (german? ^^) he tried to come in as slow as possible and a wing stalled. but that's exactly the reason why they survived, he came in sloooooow
It was a good decision on the pilot's part to stay over the lakes. There's nothing but city between there and OEA. The turnpike or SR50 may have been a suitable off field site, or possibly the fairgrounds?
Was that entire ATC section a spoof? No way a pair like that haven't killed hundreds yet. That is extremely embarrassing for the entire airport. I'd be trying to get this pulled if I was running that company.
"Yes crash 6, he went down years ago now, the parts were salvaged and recycled, the pilot retired, the daughter grown up and married..." "but is he on your radar?" "......."
A 49 Year Old man and his 9-year-old daughter were injured Friday evening when a small plane plunged into Lake Down near Windermere, Orange County Fire Rescue said. The Piper PA-32 plane, which departed from Orlando Executive Airport, plunged into the lake shortly before 6:15 p.m., officials said. The man was brought to Orlando Regional Medical Center, and his daughter was brought to Arnold Palmer Hospital for Children. Their conditions weren't known, officials said. Neither person was publicly identified. Two boaters were credited with rescuing the man and his daughter. Austin Keaton and João Pacheco said they immediately jumped into action to help them. “When it started going down lower, we were, like, that doesn't look right, so we turned the boat around to boat over to them if they crashed,” Keaton said. “All he was concerned about was his daughter. 'Get her on board. Get her on board.' That's all he cared about.” The Federal Aviation Administration said it received reports of engine problems from the plane before it crashed. “It's just one of those things you'll never think you'll see until it happens,” Pacheco said. The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board investigated the crash. Could not determine the reason for engine loss. Pilots Info: Private with 350 hours (Total, all aircraft), 350 hours (Total, this make and model), 320 hours (Pilot In Command, all aircraft), 20 hours (Last 90 days, all aircraft), 10 hours (Last 30 days, all aircraft), 2 hours (Last 24 hours, all aircraft). Here is more info: www.wesh.com/article/father-daughter-injured-in-small-plane-crash/4450682
For me as having much training in a C172 i would do a 360 and land the oppisite runway the term (aviate navigate communicate and declare) are the most important thing in aviation that save lives. i wouldnt hesitate to be in a plane with engine problems or a emergency landing......
So did crash 6 and that air traffic controller go to lunch while the plane ditched in Lake Butler? Crash 6: well be ready when it gets here... Control: its not coming here Crash 6: where'd they go Control: ummmm I-4 or Apopka or something...I don't know Crash 6: so is it on radar??? Or no? Control: ummmmmmm no. No. I'm gonna Cntrl Alt Dlt and see if that works
It's pretty much an issue of airplane travel being very safe, retirement age for firefighters being too high and the fact that you don't need to climb a lot of stairs in full gear when responding to a burning plane. Also the fire departments can't exactly fire the old firefighters without significant short- and long-term problems.
Ditching into water out of Orlando Executive has happened a few times. These two are lucky to be alive. 9 year old granddaughter was his passenger. That airport location ... its so densely urban, you just kind of know when you take off there that ditching into a lake is your best bet if something goes wrong ... and you know the odds of surviving it are low. www.wftv.com/news/local/small-plane-crashes-orlando-lake/26914022/
"... and you know the odds of surviving it are low. " Wow, that hits you in the gut, considering this video was about a guy and his 9 year old grand child, and both ended up surviving.
Fly the airplane until it stops, don't stop the plane from flying. Lucky they survived if the impact in the video was the one for this event. A PA-32 glides like a brick but maintaining glide speed sure helps keeps the wings level.
Crash 6, can you state the power problem, Tower he lost engine power went down, crashed. Crash 6, do I have permission to come onto the field and follow him in when he lands? Tower, be advised he already went down 10 miles west of the airport. Crash 6, you're telling me the aircraft has crashed 10 miles from the airport? Tower, yes he's crashed or landed somewhere west of the airport. Crash 6? Is he on your radar?????😁 You can't make something that ridiculous up. Crash 6 has the cognizant ability of a turnip.
findme I know, right?! This was absolutely pathetic failure on the part of the ORL controllers and response staff. It may be time that the airport got a thorough federal reevaluation...
david wood Well yeah obviously... That's the point in a TH-cam comment section. You critique after something happens. Did you think the communication went well? Oh wait, maybe you shouldn't give your opinion because it would be commenting on an event after the fact. Moron
Fact is, the average youtube commenter is a loud-mouthed ass with a mountain of an opinion and zero knowledge to back it up. Crappy pilot, shitty firefighters, lousy controller. Yeah right. The only airplane 99% of these smartasses have flown was made by Fisher-Price.
They were both injured. When the boat got to them, the pilot was treading water, holding the other passenger (his 9-year-old daughter). She was crying and had visible head trauma, with bone showing and blood down her face. The pilot was in severe back pain. They were both taken to the hospital and both survived. For future reference: when you have a question like that, you can just use Google to find the answer. Just search for a few words including what happened and where. "Lake Butler plane crash" for example.
I just posted 10 minutes ago i bet the passenger hit the right door sill and got hurt...then reading down the others comments i saw your above post..too bad was a little girl..head injuries with bone showing could disable a person for life..Shame on that Pilot Poser..PA32's are easy to ditch.. In 1984 I went to an airport to pick up a guy that the day before have ditched one with full cargo on board..full gross ditch on waves...no injuries..None...Just Use no more than 25 flaps..10 are better for ditching..no stall on water, dam it..just a bit nose up, never stall it...Have you see a seaplane doing full stall landings...hell no..so many idiot bullshiters here saying he did a good job..he stalled and almost killed his daughter by Pilot Errors all over...Yank his license...
FlaLawdog --I fly in Spanish..English is my 3rd language learned..I took ditching training in the 1970's..The Caribbean..Have about 4 friends that ditched different planes ON THE WAVES OF THE OCEAN..and had no injuries, neither the passengers..
Was that communication at the end with that Crash 6 guy just waking up a bit dodgy ? It was already confirmed the plane was in the water. And how many times do you need to tell a guy that a plane went DOWN 10 miles from the airport? ''Are you telling me you want a Big Mac with fries AND nuggets or just a Big Mac with fries?''
I often wonder if single engine pilots who lose power near the ground are taught that ditching is a good option in an area with many obstructions or rough terrain. 1) Natural fire control 2) smooth surface 3) low speed means high chance of survival 4) nothing living to hit 5) large target.
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"Maintain control sir. Fly the plane." It may seem pointless, but a friendly voice on the radio is great for preventing panic from seizing you.
Well said, sir!
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Agreed. That guy is awesome.
What did Harrison Ford say “fly the plane to the scene of the crash.”
Jeremy Truesdell “Maintain control, sir. Fly the plane . . . and oh yeah, the sky is blue.”
@robert1340, You won't believe how emergency situations and fear can make people even to forget the most obvious things and disable the logical thinking. I know the pilots are being trained, but they are still people.
I used to do some extreme and not very extreme sports. I saw people petrified and stiff once something goes wrong, even though you know it and trained that. I can tell a lot of stories that would seemingly sound like "the sky is blue" except people are loosing control of whatever happens.
Simple example - I once faced tourists group that panicked just because some member tripped and fall on the road and broke a leg. On the road. Where car can reach (not on a freiken mountain hanging on rope 500 meters above the ground). In 10-15 minutes drive from closest rescue base to my knowledge. With clear mobile phone coverage. Whole group was standing shocked for nearly _half an hour_ around that person without even giving any kind of help or pain reliever. Noone even tried to call ambulance or rescue team - it's was a simple as calling 911 (112 for that region). It's a darn broken leg, not an advance rescue operation or advanced knowledge. Just give a pain reliever and call rescue guys. Not a broken single engine of the plane.
And I just don't want to tell more severe and dangerous cases.
it worth admitting it - people DO panic sometimes. Even trained ones. And yes - sometimes simple calm and confident word even of passer by can "reboot" individual. Reminding "fly the plane" doesn't cost anyone on frequency too much. It's not much of distraction. Just a word of support and remind.
PIC: "I have an engine out. I'll be landing on Lake Butler."
ATC: "Copy that. Be advised Lake Butler is water, not land."
PIC: "Copy. I'll be splashing Lake Butler."
Crash 6: "I'll be waiting for you at the airport."
Some say Crash 6 is still waiting for the Cherokee to come in
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The Cherokee is on a 1.4 million mile final. Should be landing any time now...
Memelord McMeme I have been a firefighter for 20 + years and I don’t know who they get to work crash, but I am sorry their IQ must be less than their shoe size.
Seriously. Crash 6 was super dense that day.
@@coolbear6441 uvula vuhv
It's unbeliavable these two people survived this crash. Kudos to the great pilot who kept calm and put it down safely!!
For information, it's a father and his daughter... :)
I've flown out of KORL. Pretty congested area around the airport. Not a whole lot of choices to put down safely. You either have trees, houses, or a million small lakes. He did indeed make the best possible choice to minimize damage on the ground (and to themselves).
i disagree, the pilot mismanaged the landing. It's lucky they survived with that awful mess up
AV8R Of course it's always easy to monday-morning-quarterback this thing. We all think (hope) we would do better. It's a little different when you have a dead engine over populated areas and a front seat to the shit show.
Easy to write sipping a coffee in front of your computer
just as easy to pitch for best glide in an emergency
Aww. The Chief Flight Instructor checking in to see if it was one of his planes got me. I can't imagine that pang of dread and that (mildly guilty) sense of relief after finding out it _wasn't_ one of yours that went down.
You could hear the fear in his voice when he asked...got me too.
When I was an instructor, I once got a phone call saying, "Your Studen Josh is missing."
My heart fell out of my chest. Thank God he had just decided to take a way longer lunch than planned.
It never ceases to amaze me how great the aviation community and people in general are. Glad to hear these two made it out safe.
First instruction I ever received from my instructor, and the first thing I ever pass on to a student is echoed in what the unidentified voice at 2:37 said..."Maintain control, sir. Fly the plane".
In an airplane, or even if in a car, a boat, a motorcycle...when the unexpected happens the outcome will likely balance as much or more on whether you continue to fly, drive or operate your vehicle and less on the circumstances. Never forget to fly your airplane.
T H I S
The one time I lost control on the interstate, my snap reaction was to go into skid control mode and I put the car into hard opposite steering lock. It didn't recover the skid, but it kept the car skidding sideways on a straight trajectory, and ultimately off the side of the highway and into some shrubs instead of skewering me on the end of a guard rail.
Only damage was some blades of grass stuck between the tire beads and rims.
The classic: Aviate/Drive/Whatever, Navigate, Communicate
If something goes wrong on your motorcycle, it's going to be pretty hard to operate it though. Sure it has happened many times before but more often than not, the safe option is actually leaving the bike to do it's own thing and focusing on sliding on your skid pads if you have them.
@@calyodelphi124 Yes, i've seen it so many times in crash videos. People losing control either darting it into the guard rails/side barriers or fishtailing it a couple of times and then sliding into the rails.
Best option is to try and enter a powerslide only focusing on keeping the vehicle going somewhat forwards on the road sideways.
It's not a game and it's not a race track so you'd better NOT try and recover at 60+ mph because that's how people die. Race drivers can do it on the race track but only because they have race cars set up for that stuff, safety gear and crash barriers.
@@Xanthopteryx Or, assuming you are quick about it...
STOP
*S* top what you are doing
*T* hink about what got you here
*O* rient yourself and consider your options
*P* lan
Way to pay attention. Chopper reports plane completely submerged yet tower continues to report he went down in a field, and crash 6 probably still thinks the Cherokee is inbound for landing.
Mike Ryan Yeah, I was lost to find that tower told nothing to the ground even they’re stationing the same airport, let alone that late Crash 6...
Seemed a total CF to me. A plane having an emergency you would think sirens would go off.
That wasn’t tower, it was ground
Ground and Tower are two different frequencies. Tower knew he was down in the lake, but Ground hadn't heard that yet.
vbscript2 normally they’re sitting 4 feet apart. A tap on the shoulder would suffice.
Crash 6 waking up from a comfy nap
He's an absolute donkey!
An alert 2 is an aircraft inbound with a emergency. An alert 3 is an aircraft that has crashed. The ground controller was giving the crash driver the wrong alert which caused the confusion.
Sounds like we found Crash 6.
"Somewhere between the airport and 10 miles away from the airport, over a lake." *looks at map* Uhhhhhhh.....
sector maps can be confusing sometimes, they have about 10 times the info that a normal street map does.
"It'll be OK, babe" at 1:32 caused a lump in my throat.
e-clecticism I understand the pilot was trying to reassure his esteemed passenger, his beloved daughter. :)
e-clecticism same
gomphrena Who tf called thier daughter "babe"
LightRealms I thought that's what he said. I may have mis-heard. Pardon! I call my grown kids and husband "babe" all the time, and always have. :)
Some people don't understand terms of endearment like that in a close family.
I remember seeing this on the news. The passenger was his 9 year old daughter. Both were hospitalized with pretty serious injuries
It's OK Crash 6.....go back to sleep.
From Crash 6 Voice "You're telling me he crashed 10 Miles away from the airport?"
In his mind "Then WTF am I doing here talking to you."
Exactly! As a career firefighter for a large and busy department, I can confirm that as soon as his finger left the mic key, he said exactly that or something along the lines of...”10 miles?! WTF do you want me to do about it?!” Unfortunately, for many guys with a lot of years under their belts, they become complacent and irritated even when they have to run a call. Ending up at your city’s airport station is kind of a running joke throughout the fire service. You’ve gone there to ride out your last few years and not do much because airport fire stations are notoriously slow. Old salty dogs that should just hang up their boots and helmet and call it good. They give us all a bad name. in my humble opinion, the department should make every probationary firefighter or even your 1st three years at the airport and not allow the old salt and vinegar guys go there to retire. If only. Sorry folks, not all firefighters were created equal.
Albert Ledesma Some departments use the airport personnel as administrators as well. I know when my dad was assigned to the airport fire station, they handled a lot of scheduling and PTO requests, etc.
Tommy Craft Even worse.
@@albertledesma5173 "they become complacent and irritated even when they have to run a call."
Will always be grateful for their service, but if they reach that point, they have no business there.
I have inside info that Crash 6 is still waiting to this day for that emergency aircraft to land at the airport. He is pulling in some serious double time.
"He crashed an is no longer on freq" "But is he on radar?" Uhh, no he crashed.... not too bright
props to the boater
R Johnson ? Was he making a pun?
A boat motor has a propeller, eh?
Daniel Cannata no,a boater helped pull them to safety and probably saved lives.
Whoosh
Yeah, what a wingman
Lmao the tower was getting obviously mad at crash 6 😂😂😂 THE DUDE ALREADY CRASHED BRO 😭😭😭
Yes but that woman also was not to bright. It was already confirmed the plane was in the water..
Crash 6 in the words of Kennedy Steve is "about as sharp as a doughnut.."
Stephen Cole... Kennedy Steve to crash 6...Sir I don’t care if you follow him in, do you swim?
The super crash 6 has been demoted by steve to uggghhh, the mediocre crash six
About as much use as a chocolate kettle
thanks for laugh
"Requesting big whiteboard, an artist, and a sledgehammer to get info into Crash 6's head.."
This was really neat. I live in this area and as soon as I heard "Chopper 2", I knew that was the local NBC affiliate helicopter. It always gives me a fuzzy feeling when people come together - outside of their respective job functions - when an emergent situation is occurring. I don't remember seeing this no the news, so I'm not sure when it happened, but I'm certainly glad everyone was ok. I have to imagine a water landing isn't the easiest thing to do... so kudos for this pilot for keeping a calm head and putting that aircraft down like a pro!
That's why Chopper 2 said he had no cameraman on board.
I actually know the pilot we both fly out of the same fbo stand up guy
Need to be kinder to crash 6. Most common for them to respond to incoming emergencies or incidents on/near the field. And clearly that's what they thought. Was only alerted because plane was initially trying to make it back. Those diesel engines on the fire vehicles are super loud & maybe had gear on too. Give them some credit for being the ones willing to respond to a crash & run right up to the fire. 🚒
Thank you!
TH-cam comment section is useless when it comes to seeking hope for humanity however.
I heard Crash 6 is still waiting for them.to land.
Terrible excuses...diesel engines aren't as loud as a airplane and they all have Bose a20 headsets now he was just slow
Great job by the boater. But Crash 6, Seriously ? ATC- “The plane went down”. Crash 6 - “ Is he coming in and can I follow him ?” ATC - “He’s down. He was going to try and land, but he’s down.” Crash 6 - “Do you have him on radar ?...” HE’S DOWN !! On the ground, the water, a field, a road, a parking lot, in bushes, a yard, or a football field, but he...is...DOWN ! Crash 6 - “So uh tower, how soon do you expect him here at the field ? Do you have communication with him ? Can you still see him and n radar ? ....
That ground lady sounds like a recently converted customer service rep for Comcast.
@@jje984 have you turned it off, waited 30 seconds and then turned it on again?
good thing crash 6 isnt crash 1
Looks like he put it in so that the pilot side would take the brunt of the impact and so that the passenger would have a good shot of escaping. If that was his intention, he is definitely a hero!
C- Bud Sounds like he was with a loved one the way he was talking on coms. Hopefully it wasn't that passengers first experience with an aircraft. Glad they made it.
C- Bud it was a dad and his 9 year old daughter. She suffered head trauma but was okay and so was the dad.
C- Bud piper aircraft. he put it down door up.
looks like a shit job to me. trying to kill all on board the way he flew that
AV8R he was ditching a plane into a lake with his daughter of board, you don't know everything involved flight wise or what was going on in his head. He flew his side int the water to give his daughter the best shot at survival, and considering they both survived I'd say he did just fine.
Crash 6 ... Jesus; I hope my life is never in that guys hands.
Glad crash 6 woke up, took a shower, listened to a podcast, called his mom, read a magazine, then contacted tower and asked all the relevant questions.
Crash 6 and Executive ground are definitely not qualified for their jobs.
Oh they are pulled out by a boater. Much respect to the boater and flying skills of this pilot. They survived the crash landing on the water!!!!!!!
Crash 6 reminds me of that ship that had to be told to shut the hell up by Titanic's telegraph operator because they kept asking what the problem was for 2 hours after being told countless times that the boat was sinking.
It always amuses me that the Captain of that ship’s name was Lord..and after countless attempts to notify the Titanic at 11pm he said “f*ck em” and went to bed...and the guy responsible for sinking the Titanic was named Murdoch....I see a corollary to the 21st Century right there.
_Titanic_ told two ships to STFU during the course of the night. First, the _Californian_ when she interrupted _Titanic_ sending and receiving passenger telegraphs to and from a coastal station in order to tell her about ice in the area. _Californian_ 's radio operator retired for the night shortly afterwards. _Californian_ was the closest vessel to _Titanic_ when the latter sank (
Man, crash 6 really isn't the quickest....
He just hates his job - don't expect to be rescued fast - recuse becomes an all-day effort.
He was making sure 150% that his assistance was not needed... then he double checked again.
@@m109rider1956 wtf is he going to do if the crash is 10 miles from the airport?
these arent the people flying helicopters ect, these are the people driving fire engines and such on the runway.
@@letterslayer7814 It's not the fact he isn't willing to go 10 miles out. it's the fact that it literally took 5 attempts to get him to understand the plane's altitude is equal or lower than 0 agl and its speed is 0kts.
@@boahneelassmal to be fair, when she said he went down 10 miles from the airport he might've thought she meant that he "went down that way" or like flew 10 miles that way and that's where he is now. I'm sure he was pretty shocked to hear that they crashed
Crash 6 needs to get a different job....maybe at McDonalds .But don't let him , be in charge of cooking the Fries.
You really want this guy working the drive thru?
Crash 6.. Do the fries go in the frier (lake) or the floor ( field) ?
Getting a pilots license was on my bucket list, but by the time I was in a position to do it, I had hearing aids in both ears. Even with them, I cant understand most of the audio in these videos. Thanks for adding text.
Thank god they survived! Hope they're doing well today
Crash 6 : “is he on your radar?” 😂😂😂 I guess they’re giving out pilot’s licenses these days
Thank you for bringing understanding of these airport disasters to the common man. I can't get enough!
Ground controller sounded like a cleaner that had been asked to take over for a few minutes while the actual controller nipped to the toilet
bwahhhaaahaa truth!
That's the kind of ending we always like to hear. Thanks for posting it VASA.
Thanks for watching!
Crash 6: "Ok, let me take a pee first, I may stop at Starbucks too just in case. Oh crap I forgot my keys. Oh man I can't find my wallet, I swear I had my wallet yesterday when I went to the Gym. Do i need to bring a sweater? I heard it's kind of cold, hold let me get my sweater first"
I hope and pray that some of you don't have this kind of anger in the air.... From what I have learned just listening to good pilots, nothing is a given under emergency conditions. BEST WAY TO KEEP LEARNING IS TO STAY HUMBLE.
The best way to keep learning is to practice.
Crash 6 that one kid who forgot to do his homework and trying to catch up lmao
Later that day, they had to send someone out to go and find Crash 6. Because he sure as hell couldnt find his way back .
When you demand sloppy and rambling in your emergency, trust Orlando Executive Airport to deliver!
That's a fricking man. I hope that person appreciates him. " it's gonna be ok babe."
Crash 6 ...... The Plane went down in Lake Butler 10 miles from the Airport a Couple of yrs ago.. No need for you to Stay out on the taxi-way anymore... They Bought a New Plane and are at Home right now probably listening to this on VASaviation and Subscribed... Hit The Like Button !!!
Crash 6 definitely needs a new job 😖🤣
Crash 6 did not have a nice youtube video with all information from DIFFERENT frequencies. Even ground didn't have the most up to date info as they talked to him! Ground said alert 2 (emergency vehicle inbound), not alert 3 (aircraft down) so it's understandable he would ask again when told essentially 'emergency aircraft is coming, went down 10 miles west'. Is it down, or is it coming, ground?
And if it crashed 10 miles west, do you want them to go, or would you rather call fire dept, who are probably closer and most likely have BOATS to get to the plane in the water... Never saw a boat chasing down emergency landing aircraft on an airport personally...
Tower was dealing with a lot of things atm, and giving up to date, not completely verified (tail number? saved by someone on boat?) info was probably not high on their priority list.
Chase 2 happened to be near and on frequency, and offered help, real nice guy. But he only saw people on board a boat by the crashed plane, so its not verified everyone was safe. And since aircraft was submerged, he could not confirm the tail number - you never know, maybe it was different aircraft that crashed into the lake, and the one they talked to crashed somewhere else.
Am I missing something?
Miracle on Lake Down. They're already talking to Tom Hanks brother Jim Hanks for the movie
This is one of the best comments I've read today!
LOL!
111himan I'm Jim Hanks. I'm not Tom's brother though, i'm his second cousin.
jhanks2012 Ah so you’re related to Abraham Lincoln
111himan lol he was booked doing the voice of woody for toy story 4
Wow, I'm not sure if I heard about this or just forgot, but where he went down was right behind my uncle's house. I've fished in that lake several times.
Listing to it from Crash 6 point of view.
He hears it went down and wonders why he is out their. He asks for confirmation and is led to believe that it is still in the air and must of misheard that they were down.
The question you never, ever want to hear...."How many souls on board?"
the way a doctor writes a prescription is the way these ATC and plane communications sound to me
Wow! How did they survive that?!? Such an angle to plummet into the water!
I was thinking the same thing. If I were to ditch my plane I would not choose to come in at that angle and it sounded like he had some time and the experience to level it out.
ah come on +drfaustus72 (german? ^^) he tried to come in as slow as possible and a wing stalled. but that's exactly the reason why they survived, he came in sloooooow
Yeah, 50 feet of altitude stalls should be practiced by all pilots..
Perhaps he flared?
ColinJ I watched a Ces 172 Do the same crash in the ocean and both souls died... I will never forget...
Great response from ATC and those choppers. Nice work!
GRND is cutting off end of people calling....
Just bad habit for her to get into. She can be missing something important in the readbacks.
F Huber she's terrible.
Hate to say it... likely an affirmative action hire.
sheriff's rapid call for a downtown departure? ^^ I love it
The plane wasn't at the airport so the Sheriff and the cities FD would have to respond not an airport crash team.
Crash 6, thanks for your help.
Glad they survived but what in world was with the approach angle? Look like he stalled the left wing.. very lucky they survived.
I think crash 6 and Chief CFI we’re playing with each other’s sticks.
It was a good decision on the pilot's part to stay over the lakes. There's nothing but city between there and OEA. The turnpike or SR50 may have been a suitable off field site, or possibly the fairgrounds?
Sheesh...Crash 6 didn't exactly impress.
Rumor has it, they still dont know what's going on 10 miles from the airport
"Is he on your radar?" "No, but we've got him on sonar".
Was that entire ATC section a spoof? No way a pair like that haven't killed hundreds yet. That is extremely embarrassing for the entire airport. I'd be trying to get this pulled if I was running that company.
Crash6: Did he get back up?
ATC: Negative
Crash6: but you like got radar though?
Heisenberg: Jesse what are you talking about?
"Yes crash 6, he went down years ago now, the parts were salvaged and recycled, the pilot retired, the daughter grown up and married..."
"but is he on your radar?"
"......."
I can't believe that lake is only 10 nanometres away from the airport! At least according to the map.
Crash 6 is lost. Holy crap.
It's been said before, but I will echo it again.
Any landing you can walk (or swim) away from is a good landing.
Remind me to not crash any time Crash 6 is working. OMG.
A 49 Year Old man and his 9-year-old daughter were injured Friday evening when a small plane plunged into Lake Down near Windermere, Orange County Fire Rescue said.
The Piper PA-32 plane, which departed from Orlando Executive Airport, plunged into the lake shortly before 6:15 p.m., officials said.
The man was brought to Orlando Regional Medical Center, and his daughter was brought to Arnold Palmer Hospital for Children.
Their conditions weren't known, officials said. Neither person was publicly identified. Two boaters were credited with rescuing the man and his daughter. Austin Keaton and João Pacheco said they immediately jumped into action to help them.
“When it started going down lower, we were, like, that doesn't look right, so we turned the boat around to boat over to them if they crashed,” Keaton said. “All he was concerned about was his daughter. 'Get her on board. Get her on board.' That's all he cared about.”
The Federal Aviation Administration said it received reports of engine problems from the plane before it crashed.
“It's just one of those things you'll never think you'll see until it happens,” Pacheco said.
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board investigated the crash. Could not determine the reason for engine loss.
Pilots Info: Private with 350 hours (Total, all aircraft), 350 hours (Total, this make and model), 320 hours (Pilot In
Command, all aircraft), 20 hours (Last 90 days, all aircraft), 10 hours (Last 30 days, all
aircraft), 2 hours (Last 24 hours, all aircraft).
Here is more info: www.wesh.com/article/father-daughter-injured-in-small-plane-crash/4450682
I live on Lake Down and watched this in real time. I'm so glad they survived.
Guardian angel had a hard job! Wonderful they survived!
"can you state the issue"
"Yeah, he crashed"
So he's not on radar anymore???
But, but, I thought only Sully could pull off a miracle like this?
haha
For me as having much training in a C172 i would do a 360 and land the oppisite runway the term (aviate navigate communicate and declare) are the most important thing in aviation that save lives. i wouldnt hesitate to be in a plane with engine problems or a emergency landing......
Rumour has it Crash 6 is still waiting out by the runway.
So did crash 6 and that air traffic controller go to lunch while the plane ditched in Lake Butler?
Crash 6: well be ready when it gets here...
Control: its not coming here
Crash 6: where'd they go
Control: ummmm I-4 or Apopka or something...I don't know
Crash 6: so is it on radar??? Or no?
Control: ummmmmmm no. No. I'm gonna Cntrl Alt Dlt and see if that works
After listening to countless of these videos, I am convinced that 90% of the airport firefighters in the country must be somebody important's cousin.
It's pretty much an issue of airplane travel being very safe, retirement age for firefighters being too high and the fact that you don't need to climb a lot of stairs in full gear when responding to a burning plane. Also the fire departments can't exactly fire the old firefighters without significant short- and long-term problems.
"It'll be OK babe, just put on your swim suit."
Crash 6...
Just nevermind. Souls on board had time 10x over to die , by the time you understood wtf was goin' on.
Thank fucking god that the pilot and the person he loved (from the radio comms) were able to get out. That is anyone's worst nightmare.
Yes crash 6, you may follow. Just wait over there for them.
Ditching into water out of Orlando Executive has happened a few times. These two are lucky to be alive. 9 year old granddaughter was his passenger.
That airport location ... its so densely urban, you just kind of know when you take off there that ditching into a lake is your best bet if something goes wrong ... and you know the odds of surviving it are low.
www.wftv.com/news/local/small-plane-crashes-orlando-lake/26914022/
"... and you know the odds of surviving it are low. "
Wow, that hits you in the gut, considering this video was about a guy and his 9 year old grand child, and both ended up surviving.
im so happy some "boater" saw that and came to rescue right away. this crash did not look "nice"
Fly the airplane until it stops, don't stop the plane from flying. Lucky they survived if the impact in the video was the one for this event. A PA-32 glides like a brick but maintaining glide speed sure helps keeps the wings level.
Crash 6, can you state the power problem, Tower he lost engine power went down, crashed. Crash 6, do I have permission to come onto the field and follow him in when he lands? Tower, be advised he already went down 10 miles west of the airport. Crash 6, you're telling me the aircraft has crashed 10 miles from the airport? Tower, yes he's crashed or landed somewhere west of the airport. Crash 6? Is he on your radar?????😁 You can't make something that ridiculous up. Crash 6 has the cognizant ability of a turnip.
Unfair to turnips
True River 🤣🤣
That was some pretty bad communication break down.
findme
I know, right?! This was absolutely pathetic failure on the part of the ORL controllers and response staff. It may be time that the airport got a thorough federal reevaluation...
findme Sounded like a shift change.
Who the fuck are you? Monday morning quarterback much???
david wood
Well yeah obviously... That's the point in a TH-cam comment section. You critique after something happens.
Did you think the communication went well? Oh wait, maybe you shouldn't give your opinion because it would be commenting on an event after the fact. Moron
Fact is, the average youtube commenter is a loud-mouthed ass with a mountain of an opinion and zero knowledge to back it up. Crappy pilot, shitty firefighters, lousy controller. Yeah right. The only airplane 99% of these smartasses have flown was made by Fisher-Price.
Chopper Dan was on it per usual he's quite an asset for channel 2...WESH...
Somebody tell this controller if the plane has crashed it is an Alert 3. Maybe that would have helped with the confusion from the Redbird fire units.
Maintain control sir and fly the plane.....that made my eyes sweat
Looks like the only person on their game was Chopper 2 (WESH)
Crash 6 is really hard at hearing.
Happy to hear they made it out but where they ok/injured? Anyone with some more background info?
They were both injured. When the boat got to them, the pilot was treading water, holding the other passenger (his 9-year-old daughter). She was crying and had visible head trauma, with bone showing and blood down her face. The pilot was in severe back pain. They were both taken to the hospital and both survived.
For future reference: when you have a question like that, you can just use Google to find the answer. Just search for a few words including what happened and where. "Lake Butler plane crash" for example.
Xezlec and
I just posted 10 minutes ago i bet the passenger hit the right door sill and got hurt...then reading down the others comments i saw your above post..too bad was a little girl..head injuries with bone showing could disable a person for life..Shame on that Pilot Poser..PA32's are easy to ditch..
In 1984 I went to an airport to pick up a guy that the day before have ditched one with full cargo on board..full gross ditch on waves...no injuries..None...Just Use no more than 25 flaps..10 are better for ditching..no stall on water, dam it..just a bit nose up, never stall it...Have you see a seaplane doing full stall landings...hell no..so many idiot bullshiters here saying he did a good job..he stalled and almost killed his daughter by Pilot Errors all over...Yank his license...
El Zorro Dave I hope you fly better than you rant. Just chill.
FlaLawdog
--I fly in Spanish..English is my 3rd language learned..I took ditching training in the 1970's..The Caribbean..Have about 4 friends that ditched different planes ON THE WAVES OF THE OCEAN..and had no injuries, neither the passengers..
First tower person sounded like a mellinial space cadet
Was that communication at the end with that Crash 6 guy just waking up a bit dodgy ? It was already confirmed the plane was in the water. And how many times do you need to tell a guy that a plane went DOWN 10 miles from the airport? ''Are you telling me you want a Big Mac with fries AND nuggets or just a Big Mac with fries?''
I see he perfectly pulled off the "screw it, we're going in sideways" maneuver. Very technical.
glad they survived. he sounded calm and focused. Can you imagine being him and knowing his child is at risk as well as himself.
Calmargarita to
Child? What makes you think it was a child lmao
I often wonder if single engine pilots who lose power near the ground are taught that ditching is a good option in an area with many obstructions or rough terrain. 1) Natural fire control 2) smooth surface 3) low speed means high chance of survival 4) nothing living to hit 5) large target.
Not so in a plane with fixed landing gear. The gear snags in the water and the plane turns over.
crash 6 still confused 😕 if he landed or not, groumd almost yelled at him lol 😂 😆 😅 🤷 paid professionals I guess