Make Your Very Own Cutdown Model 94
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.พ. 2021
- Special Assignments Editor Roy Huntington shares how he cut down and modified his Winchester Model 94 to make it more versatile. Watch the video, then download the 2019 DIY GUNS Special Edition to read Roy's detailed article on how to do it yourself.
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I have a Marlin 1894 in.357 Magnum that is basically the same concept. A short, quick handling carbine and those .357 magnums out of a 16” barrel are no joke.
Agreed. The AR crowd tends to sneer at these sorts of guns, but in the real world, they work great ... I mean, they won the west didn't they! Roy
Awesome rifle, these were the ARs of their era for law enforcement. The 30/30 will get it done all day for man or beast… and it’s super easy to chamber and reload . Thanks for the awesome video ✝️🇺🇸🤙🏻🅰️
Back in early 1980, I bought a Winchester 94 .30/30 Trapper model. I really liked that rifle/carbine but, a friend offered a Remington 722 that my youngest son wanted so, I traded. I still have a full size 94 that will most likely go to one of my grandsons, gotta keep em in the family.
I have a trapper carbine in 38-55 and thats my favorite brush gun.
Dear friend of mine cut down his Marlin .45-70 to 16 inches. You wouldn't believe how it changed the personality of that rifle. It turned out so well even his gunsmith wanted to buy it.
I've done similar things. In the early 1980s I cut down a 7 1/2" Super Blackhawk Ruger to right at the ejector rod. Then hard chromed it. Everyone wanted to buy it! Ditto for a Model 92 Rossi I did, cutting it down right at 16 1/4". It does indeed change the whole feel of the rifle! Roy H.
I did this with an old Marlin .30-30 that was abused by a former owner. Got it for next to nothing. It had the long barrel on it. Had it cut to 16” and 11 degree crown. Had Marbles buckhorn sights and new stocks put on. I’ve considered having it SBR’d and lop off a few more inches.
Who did this
For u ? An can they do a Winchester
That’s what she said!
An inch or two here or there makes all the difference in the world❤️
I was waiting for someone to say that …. Roy H.
I have a 94 with a 16 inch in .44 mag, and one for my son. I also have a 92 rossi in 357 with a 16 inch. Both are fast to shoot, with the edge to the 357.
My Rossi 92 is in 44 mag. Know 44 mag can handle most animals on the planet or in America for sure. But think that caliber its way overated for hunting anyhow. One reason is probably cause of the old Dirty Harry movies. But think this Rossi 44 mag rifle will be one of the best self defense weapons out there. Some ways probably as good if not better then a pump shotgun.
More and more, I love this idea.
I’ll do a follow-up Rob. Roy
I have watched the video several times in the past three years, as I stumble across it on YT and every time it makes more sense. And even though I understood it 3 years ago, even more so today. @@fmgpubs
Great tip Mr. Roy. I have Rossi 357 mag trapper. Needs a little tweaking with ur Mods. Ghost ring fiber front sight, sling. Like concept of ammo in stock. Being
official old fart can't see like used
to. Put a red dot on 44mag.compact and handy. Thanks
Awesome video. I love mine.
Most excellent and shorty lever guns are way handy.
Been waiting on this one!
I know I'm late to the party Roy, but I just finished doing your cutdown mods to my 94 and I love it! Thanks for the DIY article you referenced, perfect.
Outstanding David! Glad you did this. Sure makes a huge difference in the feel, doesn’t it? Send a pic to editor@americanhandgunner.com to my attention if you can. I’d love to see it. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Thanks! Will do.
Nice idea but my pre 64 will stay intact.
If you are not reloading for 30 30, you won't find any ammo for it for the next year or so.
Mine was built in 1927 and I agree it will stay exactly how it is now.
I found a bunch of 30/30 ammo just the other day there was a fair amount of .308 and 30/06 too.
There is tons of 3030 where I come from in PA
great vidio sir and that rifle is awsome too
I just got my first 94 a week ago. I love it so much I think I'm going to have a collection of 94s. If I find a cheap one in not great condition I'll probably do something like this to it, but what I really want is an old factory trapper. Plus I want to inherit one that's in the family that was made in 1895.
Opie, keep your eye open for a Rossi 92. Used ones are around and in .357 or .45 Colt are excellent. They make great base guns to do this sort of modification on. Roy H.
Can you do a detailed video of how you cut the barrel and the mag tube please
Colton, check out our DIY Gunsmithing book with an article I wrote on how to do this at: fmgpubs.com/product/american-handgunner-diy-guns-2019-special-edition-pdf/ Roy H.
That's awesome
Yup. More vids on these.
I would never cut down such an iconic rifle.
What did you do about the crown? Any concerns with barrel length and twist rate?
A good video sir.
Thanks! Hope you build one for yourself! Roy
@@fmgpubs I hope I am that skillful.
Hey Roy! Nice rifle. I have a 1979 Winchester 94 trapper in 30-30. Very handy. Btw you know my dad,you both served together back a few decades ago,I won’t say his name but he went by “Kingsnake” SDPD. Also I think you guys were on the same shooting team. Regards Wes King. Also I have his 686 he used on that team.
Hey. I know who you're talking about! Please say hi from me, and thanks for your kind comments here! Roy H.
Thanks
Mine holds 9 in the tube, 1 in the chamber. No way am I giving up 5 rounds. I bought mine on gun broker. It's a commerative model 94 Canadian 1967 but it has signs on the loading gate which is good because I was going to shoot it anyway. Super accurate and 10 rounds with a her barrel 30 30. Love it, action is tight as heck but getting better all the time.
Mike, most 94s can only manage five in the magazine. How does that one hold 9? Thanks for posting! Roy H.
How long is the barrel and mag tube on your 94 in 30/30? Are you sure it will hold 9 rounds in the tube?
I am guessing Mike's 30-30 has the 26 inch barrel & full length magazine.
No way would I cut on a model 94. It isn't that big to start with.
A good alternative to cutting down an old rifle is the Henry X models they are light,shoot well and great handling with fiber optic sights which are great for my 63 year old eyes but I still like the classic lever gun style that’s why I have both styles.
Agreed on the new rifles. But there are hundreds of thousands of beater Model 94 and other lever guns out there so if someone has one, this is a fun and easy project. I've chatted with a few people who have done their own conversions after watching this video and they came out great! Roy H.
0:58 - old optical illusion trick, hold one closer to look bigger. You should have held them above the other to see how much difference you really had. Mine is a 19 inch barrel so I can't imagine what cutting 3 inches off would really do for me. Now the additional ammo storage and better sights are an interesting idea.
Where did you film this at? It reminds me of my grandparents' place in southern Missouri. Lots of good memories being in the woods and shooting there.
Hi Tom. I live in Southern Missouri and this is on my land here. I didn’t intend to try to fool anyone, just not enough hands to hold stuff right. You’ll be surprised at what that short barrel and an inch off the butt does to overall handling and feel. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs - They had 160 acres southeast of Steelville. Your background looked just like a lot of theirs with the cedar trees and all.
I noticed the stock looked shorter afterward, so taking 4 or 5 inches off would change things.
What if you live somewhere where You’re not allowed to have this rifle or any other gun for that matter!?
Don’t think they will not come after these rifles too! It ‘s not a about the guns it’s about Control!!
To: Last Frontier Channel
I’d say if you live where you can’t own a rifle you should move - or learn to shoot a long bow or a cross bow? RH
To Those Worried About Ammo:
This rifle build isn’t about caliber or ammo availability, it’s simply to show what you can do with this style of rifle. Ammo availablity is another issue entirely. But I also agree it’s time to slow down the panic buying to let the pipelines re-fill. RH
Thanks,
Roy
My to-get is a Marlin 336Y
While I own a Marlin 336 30-30 I would never cut it down why it’s short and fast as it is. Just FYI I shoot Quail with a Shotgun with a 26 inch barrel and Quail are faster than any bad guy will ever be.
You shooting those quail with a single projectile though?
@@matthewknight496
Well when I was a Kid I use to shoot my Marlin 39A with open sights I use to throw up empty shotgun shells walnuts and apples and hit them 9 out of ten shots easy. Easy Peasy
Tried to wear out the Barrel out that Model 39A never did and you could buy a box of 500 for $8.99 expensive ones were $9.99 for 500
@@sha6mm yeah those older Marlins are beauts. The micro groove barrels. My uncle has an older 39A but my old man has a new one. I must say even though my dads new one might be a little proud in some spots compared to an old one, it's still extremely accurate. I don't like how it has a safety though. I picked up an excellent condition Marlin mountie 3 years ago off gunbroker and wow yep tackdriver. I contribute it the micro groove barrels. My uncle's friend bought a newer one with a safety though about 15 years back and you couldn't even get it on paper. That gun was mess d up from the factory. Normally cabela's doesn't do returns on guns but when they saw his ,. They took it back
Anyone know
Who might b a good gunsmith to do this??
How many rounds the tube holds after cutting it down?
Mine still holds five but you do need to cut the magazine tube spring down just a bit or it’s hard to load. Roy
While I think EVERYONE should have a lever gun, if only for the pure fun of it, it's a pretty hard sell when 30-30 ammo is selling for $4 per shot and it's nigh impossible to feed the thing.... Maybe a lever gun in a pistol caliber like .38/.357, but that ammo is just as scarce and overpriced too.
Maybe we need to start a call for everyone to stop buying ammo for a month or two or however long it takes to stuff the warehouses to the brim.
I'm and old hack, not a hack job...everyone to there own choices - but before I would cut down my 94 .30-.30,,,, I would buy a Trapper model in
.44 mag or maybe one of the Big Horn .460 /.500 S&W mag lever guns.
@@jerrywelch1370 ; 👍 Spot on. I'm always looking for an excuse to buy another firearm.
I bet you could reload 30-30 for $.20-25
I could not bring my self to cut on a Winchester rifle. Maybe a Marlin, or Rossi, or some other crap lever gun, but not a Winchester. However, Winchester has made a short trapper model 94, that is similar to what is in this video. I would rather buy the short trapper model than cut on a regular Winchester, no matter how beat up it might be.
I enjoy my Henry in 357 mag...
What's the Length of Pull after you chop an inch off?
Shortish, maybe around 13". But it's like a handy, short AR with a shorter buttstock. It works fine. And if you have a coat on, it's just right. But it's amazing how that 1" from the butt changes the way it feels and handles. Roy
@@fmgpubs thanks for the response, man. That’s awesome. I’ve got a 336Y with a stock in the same LOP as all my other lever guns with “adult” Rifle stocks, so I’m all kindsof confused, but I’m still considering cutting 1” off the 336Y stock just to make it that much shorter. I love the idea, but I’m confused on what “standard” LOP measurements i should be getting.
@@WombatAnnihilator I wouldn't sorry about the exact number. If your 336 has a butt pad take it off and see how it feels. But anyone can shoot a shorter rifle easier than a longer one. I have a kids Savage Rascal .22 rifle and I can shoot it just fine and it must have about a 10" LOP! I'd cut one inch off that 336 butt. I promise you'll love it. Think about shortening the barrel to 16.5" or so too. You'll just be amazed at how handy that is. Roy
I like your carbine now you need to send it in and have it converted into a take down!
Funny you should say that. I have the instructions for the conversion and have been planning to tackle that soon. I'll make a video when I do. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Now that my friend will be one hell of a carbine,I have 8 Take down rifles but I really want one in a standard 20" saddle ring carbine made before 1920 but Winchester never made any in take down version, I have several in all the calibers but now I have to decide which one gets cut up! I'm still struggling with that! I'll be sure to watch for your vid.
What is the over-all length? Did I miss it? Twice?
It depends on your own cut. Mine average about 33" or so, but if you cut the barrel to, say, 16.25" (I like to leave a bit extra) then overall length depends on how much you cut off the butt stock. I like about 1" off as it makes it very handy. Roy H.
@@fmgpubs Thanks for your time Roy!
@@attra91 You bet. Cutting that 1” or so off the butt really makes a huge difference. I like the shorter reach and if you’re wearing a coat, it makes the fit great. I find a standard Model 94 stock to be just long enough to make my stretch a bit! Roy H.
Nice work on the rifle modifications ! Them 30-30 rounds will take care of business quick .
I think the 30-30 is badly under-rated by most people. A 150 gr. Bullet at 2,000+ fps isn’t anything to sneer at! Roy H.
@@fmgpubs AMEN ! I consider it on the lower end in the " High Power " rifle class .
I have a 1959 model..I sure wouldn't call it a beater lol..all kidding aside I'd really like to look into putting a sling on it
Wish I could find 30-30 ammo for my 94
My store had about 500 boxes of 30/30 last Saturday probably double that in .308 all of the store's around me seem to have a decent supply now.
I’d take my Winchester 30-30 over a AR type rifle any day. However…..,
If the 94 the 30-30 Win is good enough for Canada and France military back in WW2 then its good enough for me. But speaking for myself, think ar-15s etc....are over rated. And besides, most people probably will not or never will be in a gun fight. Not unless we are invaded with Putin or China etc.... then probably or maybe.
Other then that. But even if I was a short person, would never cut down a stock or barrel on a nice rifle like that.
To answer your question at the very beginning of the video what do you do? First thing is you move out of that area.
For the trapper, which is the ideal round? 44 Rem Mag or 45LC?
Heck, either can do the job.I shoot/load for both. I tend to stay around the 1,000 fps with a 240 hard cast SWC in the .44, and lean toward “cowboy” loads in the .45 Colt. I like a cast round nose flat point in the Colt at about 850 fps. Very soft shooting but will shoot clean through just about anything anyway! Roy
Good for stalking deer I doing this
Good for just about anything Jim. It’s my go-to rifle here. Roy
*P R E T T Y C O O L ! ! !*
You grab your balls and move!
Which is exactly what we did! Roy