My grandpa got me a model 94 for Christmas when I was 16 made in 1952. It is my favorite hunting rifle! Everything I’ve ever shot with it has died in its tracks, it’s never jammed, after being in some thick brush with angry pigs it always goes boom when you want it to, and it’s always been very accurate. Everyone who’s ever shot the rifle loves it as much as I do and I think everyone should have one because they’re just a fucking awesome gun!
It is now 2021 and I see this video was made in 2015. He talks about being able to purchase a model 94 Winchester for 300 dollars or less. I have been involved in selling a larger collection of model 94 Winchester rifles in many different calibers. The average selling price from an on line auction was $934.00 in the first auction and increased to about $1300.00 in the next auction with a Chevy Model going for $2100.00. The last of the rifles was auctioned the end of October and I haven't looked at the results. If you had invested in 2015 in a few model 94's the rate of increase in value was pretty good.
My dad bought a brand new Model 94 in 1978 for my 14th birthday. He then promptly locked it up after I unwrapped it and said I wasn't ready for a 30-30 and my Marlin Model 60 I got for my 12th birthday would have to do. I finally got it back last year and 33 years later promptly took it out to the range for its first shots ever. Suffice to say I was more than ready for a 30-30 and it is an incredible rifle.
I've got one of the last Win 94's that they made before changing them, and man, it's awesome. It's an heirloom, for sure. To use a tired cliche, they just don't make 'em like they used to.
Inherited my grandpa's Winchester 94 many years ago. It's had very little use, so it's in great condition. It was built in 74 (same year I got out of high school), so it's not exactly a collector gun, but it's still one of my prize possessions. It's like owning a piece of American history. I love the balance and feel of it too. Now that it's a legal deer gun here, I hope to do some hunting with it.
As I go over in the video the 70s guns are actually pretty nice except for the bluing which has no impact on shooting it. Definitely a great heirloom rifle.
Nice video, I had a pre-64 94 and sold it, it was rough to cycle and I should have got it worked on. I have a 2003 AE 94 and it is very nice in every way. It does not have the history, but the deer don't care.
There are actually lots of differences between the Model 1894 right up to 1964. You had the rifles, which normally was a 26-inch barrel, either octagon or round, you could get that with a full mag, half mag (button mag) & a 3/4 mag, with a crescent buttplate or shotgun style flat buttplate, then there were the carbines. The early saddle ring carbines are easy to spot, the front sight is behind the forward barrel band, and had a rounded buttplate, early 1930's, the front sight was a ramp and then moved in front of the barrel band, but these guns had the same style buttplate as the SRC's, the rear sight was closer to the receiver than the front band and you still had the two screw holes in the tang for a tang mounted sight. These are called "transition guns", then around the 1940's, the buttplate became a shotgun (flat) style, the rear sight was moved closer to the forward barrel band on the barrel, and the second hole in the tang was removed. This style continued up until 1964 and was pretty much how the Model 94 looked to the end, there were subtle differences all the way through the line. The lever safety spring was changed from a coil to a flat spring, so it isn't so much as there was the pre-64 and post 64 guns. You have to look at it over the entire timeline of the gun from 1894 onward.
I have had a pre-64 Model '94. Bought it slightly used in 1961! Over the years while I was still hunting it was always my "fall back" weapon. Had a scoped Winchester model 70 in .270 and a scoped Remington model 700, I believe it was, in 30-06. I always found the Model '94 much easier to carry, and much faster to get off a shot. Missed several shots because I had to get the heavier, scoped rifles of my shoulder in the sling. Never felt the need to carry the 30-30 in a sling. And I found it quite accurate at 200+ yards with modern hand loads. Most all shots I ever made were under 150 yards. Longest was on an Antelope at just under 400 yards. Held the iron sights on his back, bullet struck 7 inches lower. Animal took two steps and collapsed. All the rifle I ever needed after that.
Let me quote the last comment before yours. "I recently bought a model 94 30-30 manfactured in 1972 in mint condition for $280" There are 7 million + model 94s on the used market. Even though I think they are worth more than $300 the supply is way higher than the demand in today's market.
1964 was the beginning of the end for the American Winchester company. They bled out slowly and finally expired in 2006 when the New Haven CT plant closed. Customers looked on the cheapening of the firearm line as a breach of trust and never forgave Winchester for it. The Miroku Winchester line from Japan might as well not exist as most of Winchesters traditional customer base cannot afford them. Marlin is facing the same dilemma with the Remington 2008 acquisition being Marlins "1964".
+bushed274 That is true to some extent but I think it's more economics than simple customer preference. The fact is Winchester rifles were designed when labor was cheap and winchester wasn't the only company to outsource or go under in the same timeframe. The only American success story from the 50's on that comes to mind is Ruger who managed to design guns to be made cheaply and minimally finished but strong enough that customers don't see them and "Cheap"
I have a new Marlin and I have old ones as well. Old ones are a bit nicer but the latest production from NY is not shabby. The Miroku is supposed to be a very nice rendition of the old model 94 Winchester but I refuse to buy a gun from a company located in a country that doesn't permit their citizens to buy the same gun. No US gun owner should buy a gun that is made in Japan.
The change in production method actually occurred during 1964 with some guns produced that year being of the "pre-64" production method and some being of the "post-64" method. The serial numbers on 1964 production models reveal this. Mine was built in 1964 (early) but is of the pre-64 style.
I have a 1969 Winchester model 94 and it shoots pretty damn well. Keyholed continuously in the bullseye with it at around 60-70 yards I'm happy with it great little whitetail gun. Now I'm looking at a early model Marlin I might pick up and do a comparison on the two
I've owned several of these rifles. And I want to say even those that were called crappy here were very good rifles. I've had one pre 64 and 5 or 6 post and they were all great rifles...
Quite true, the "bad" parts really are not all that bad except to book-learners and to snobs. Sintered iron designs were used in many things calling for strength. Engine connecting rods are made with sintered metal (powdered metal) for many high performance engine designs. Advantages are more consistency in design and final production, reducing of stress points, and cheaper. People pointing out that the receivers are sintered metal say that like they are going to break. They don't. Also, the stamped lifter is only lifting a cartridge up into place. It is more than adequate for the job. It is stamped steel, not sheetmetal. The A-arms on most cars are stamped steel. Do you worry they will break? Reducing costs doesn't always mean "cheap" or poorly built. My 1968 94 isn't really blued; it is black. It looks almost like powder coating. It still looks like new and it has been used in the woods, not just a wall decoration.
I have a .32 winchester special with octagon barrel. From what i can see from serial number its from 1909. I still shoot it and its fun to shoot. It use to be my grampas farm gun so its a little beaten up but fun to shoot
They only did one good thing post 64. On the old pre guns the cartridge guides in the reciever, the screw heads were on the INSIDE of the reciever. (Ridiculously difficult) A real kitty to deal with!
That was great! I have a Ted Williams model 100 I think mid 70's. Its a fantastic rifle, I cast and coat 155gr lead .309 target loads, love keeping it shouldered dumping 6 rounds at 60yds. Same projectile I load for the AK hitting my 10in plate at 300yds easy. They are not the same lol. Wish I could find more 30-30 brass
I owned a 1970 model 94 .30/.30. It was a beautiful looking rifle. Upon initial visual inspection all looked very good so I bought it for $200.00. I couldn't hit anything with iron sights at 100 yards. I installed a Bushnell 3-9x40 scope and still couldn't dial it in. My scope was rattling so I exchanged it. Still couldn't dial in. I put the scope on my AR10 and dialed in quickly. I had the 94 checked by a gunsmith who stopped counting fractures in the barrel at 27. I have heard similar stories about other post 64 94's.
Just picked up a model 94 Canadian Centennial commemorative rifle. Seems to have the machined lifter, octagonal barrel (heavy) and gloss black action with gold maple leaf scrolling. I love it! Great addition to my collection; right between my Mossburg .22 tactical and my Weatherby .300 magnum. Thanks for the run down! Didn't know about the "pre '64" distinction until after I bought mine. I don't think those drawbacks pertain to my GUN, though.
+Doug Gann That rifle should have been made in 1967 so it is definitely a post 64. If you look at the shape of the scallops on the sides of the receiver and the checkering on the hammer it should have the later parts although it was possible Winchester was using up older parts to build the special edition guns as they would have sold at a premium over a standard rifle.
Bought one of these in 1968 from Sears. Paid $69 for it. Never had a problem with it. By 2009 the blueing had worn off of the receiver. Tried to have it reblued, but it wouldn't take the blueing. Decided to have it bead blasted with 400 grit and parkerized to milspec. Turned out nice.
I got a used 94 for my 18th birthday many, many years ago, lol. That SOB was accurate as heck. I used it with open sights and could hit just about anything. Of course I was a lot younger and had better vision but that rifle was great. While I was in the military I think one of my brothers took it from my parents' home and it never found it'd way back, lol. Great video, I never knew the real difference between the pre and post 64 rifles. Thanks for the info. Great job.
They definitely are capable of great accuracy. The slower softer lead bullets kind of work like target wadcutters and can be very consistent if you are. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the advise. I had to oil it a bit and use force to break it loose. Tore it down for a complete cleaning and what a pain to reassemble after a badly needed cleaning. I need to replace the rear barrel band screw ( the original was bent and would not thread). Great rifle and I can't wait to shoot it once I replace the damaged screw. Thanks again!
I broke a barrel band screw on my rossi 1892 clone. Not sure how they get them in there at the factory but they seem to be a disposable part once you remove them once.
When Winchester changed the receiver steel grade back in the 1890s to better handle modern rounds like their then groundbreaking 30-30, the result was that the bluing process they used did not produce the very dark patina of the older steels, and that, over time, the bluing on the upgraded streel rifles wears off. Some older pre-64 Winchester 94s have lost so much of the original bluing that they appear to be in the white.
I have one of the '70s you show here. Bought it for $100 25+ years ago and don't regret a dollar of it. I'd pay double that now. The bluing has developed a nice patina believe it or not, and just by the luck of whatever, the wood is gorgeous. I think the reasons this gun has done so well for over 100 years is the fact that it is hefty enough that it minimizes recoil, it is a small enough package you can get it into and out of small spaces, the lever action adds the feeling of actually contributing to the shot, the round may not be the biggest or the farthest reaching, but is designed for unaided eyesight range. The kick is satisfying without making the shooter want to flinch. And if a bear charges you and you are out of ammo you can grab it by the barrel and thump the hell out of it. Also, it is a piece of Americana that is beautiful whether you use it as a working weapon, or as a display item. Like the M-1 and M-16 it is immediately recognizable. Just my 102 cents worth.
I think the recoil is also helped by the relatively light .30-30 cartridge. Plenty of power for up to medium sized game but non of the shoulder pain of heavy rounds especially when plinking and firing repeatedly. And now the Leverevolution ammo has solved the primer bullet shape issue if you want a bit more range.
+Evin Schmiedecke I can't reply directly due to your G+ settings but the 30-30 is a very light shooting cartridge and the model 94 is a great platform to shoot it out of. As mentioned in the video it is mainly useful as a woods or brush gun where range is limited to 200 yards or less. Longer than that you will probably want a scope which doesn't play nice with traditional top eject model 1894 rifles and the 30-30 cartridge is not as flat shooting as more modern rounds which makes long range work with irons more of a gamble. Not saying it isn't possible just needs a bit more skill especially when buck fever strikes.
Any chance you could show us a Post 2006 Model made in Japan? I've heard even though they are not considered a true 94, that they are really well made. Trying to find one of the pre 64 models is rough right now as most are going for 1-3k in most places.
My 1977 has forged receiver, proof steel, ( a moly chrome steel) barrel forged lever, heavy non stamped steel lifter, and forged barrel bands, and a beautiful fantastic Walnut stock and forearm. I have had a few rifles before and after the Pre 64 nonsense.
Good video. I inherited a 1950 Model 94, chambered in .32Special from my grandfather. As you said, it's not good for much beyond 100yds, but it is perfectly suited to hunting in the woods of northern VT and New England. The only problem I have is the ammunition is a rather obscure caliber and is getting harder to find. I may have to resign myself to making this gun a display piece, or investing in my own reloading setup.
+Lawrence Black Even 30-30 is worth the cost of reloading. It's a bitter pill to swallow but once you invest in some basic reloading gear the savings will pile up. (or you'll just shoot 10x as much for the same expense)
Damn 8 years ago those pre-64s could still be had for around $300. Now you'll be extremely lucky to get a beat to shit post-64 for $300. Just picked up my 70s 94 for $700 and it looks great, I knew about pre and post 64s but didn't know the specifics, the receiver being basically powdered cast is not appealing but in function it doesn't seem to matter, maybe in another 50 years it's age will start to show but mine is a beautiful example of a 70s model. Thanks for the video!
Nice explanation. Just a bit of advise, keep the rifle shouldered when working the lever. Dropping it to waist level when working the lever is slow and not how it was designed to be used.
I just picked up a pre 64 for $200 cash today and no I’m not kidding. It’s fully functional and has light rust on the receiver. I checked the serial number and it is between ‘43 and ‘48. I’m going to clean it up and give it to my son to go deer hunting. He was excited when I showed him his new gun.
+bigmike2000mb For $200 You can always strip it and rust blue it or even cerrocoat it if it will be a hunting beater plus you can cast /powdercoat and use unique to reload dirt cheap plinking ammo
My model 94 is 32 special caliber is pre 1950s with the steel butt plate, dad got it from grampa when he turn 16 and I got from dad when I turned 16, dad was born in 38 and I was born is 60 so she's been around for awhile but still shoots perfectly and kicks like a mule.
What he mistakes for bad bluing 1:35 is the finish on the receiver. Plating, coating, and painting all depends on the base being in good condition. Chrome bumpers shine because the base metal has been polished to a shiny surface and then plated to preserve that shine. I have a 1968 Sesquicentennial and it also looks great. The specials were given better treatment for looks, as they were sold as collectibles, than the run of the mill regular production. And part of that is that gun owners didn't buy the regular rifles for bling; they bought them to hunt with. The drawback is the stamped parts instead of machined parts. However, for most people, this is a non-issue that is blown out of proportion. Stamp parts work well enough for the majority of shooters. Odds are you will grow old before wearing it out shooting, unless you shoot very often. It is like the Chevy stamped rocker arm stigma instead of machined rocker arms. There are literally millions of Chevy engines with stamped rocker arms with no issue at all, but the typical magazine-trained car "expert" will tell you stamped rockers are junk.
Mine is a ‘79 30-30 carbine and it’s perfect for a general purpose carbine. I only paid $325 out the door. The main points I like about this vintage of rifle is that it has no manual safety and it’s factory drilled and tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight. Yes, the bluing on the receiver is crap but it’s much smoother than the angle eject rifles, and it’s easy to install a proper rear sight. She’s one of my favorites.
+steelgila That is a good point although I thing companies like Krupp were also pushing the limits of just what advances in steel metallurgy could offer in terms of advances in barrel technologies. And that whole process was likely driven by the technology required by Steam power. Much Like the space race gave us advances in pretty much everything else.
Jack Ripper I really like the way a Winchester lever looks but I think they are one of the best handling gun designs around. They are short and light and very easy to carry for a full day of tramping through the woods.
I always wondered what the fuss was about with the pre '64's. Some of the people making the fuss were guys I respect, and are level headed, so I saved my money and waited until I found a pre 64 ( mine is a 1957 year production). Sure is has a couple scratches and the bluing is worn in spots , but the action is smooth, locks up tight and it shoots where you point it. I mean scarily accurate. This one makes me look good. Worth the money and the effort to find one, believe me, I am not a tightwad, but I don't just burn money on trendy things just because someone else has one. They built these to last, and they succeeded, shoot one you will see. These are the ones our grandfathers and great grandfathers built, those guys I respect , they knew what they were doing.
The post 64s are still great shooters, they just tend to look a bit ugly and show wear much more easily. I do think the stamped lifters are also much easier to bend than the older machined ones but you can replace it if that happens
It's probably also worth noting that Winchester itself ceded production of its firearms to U.S. Repeating Arms in 1980, which went bankrupt in 1989 and was acquired by Herstal. Herstal, in turn stopped production in the New Haven facility 2006. Today, "Winchester" brand lever guns, including the "94", are made by Miroku in Japan under contract to Herstal-owned Browning. It's hard to think of a current production "Winchester" 1894 as being much more than a replica. Plus, they have that tang-mounted safety. I really think of three eras for Winchester lever guns: pre-64, post-64 and post-2006 wanna-be Winchesters.
+William Thackrey The Japchesters made by Miroku might be replicas but, they are very well made replicas and are much better quality than the post 64 Wins. I had a 1980`s model 94 made by US repeating arms and it was the worst POS I ever owned. It was the gun that turned me into a Marlin fan.
marlins were good till remington took over then they put out total garbage for a bit, I've heard that quality is improving, I'll wait and see if they get quality back to how it was before, looked at a marlin couple weeks ago and front sight was off center and the stock didn't properly fit on the rifle.
Ghost Shadow I just purchased a brand new a Marlin 1895CB. Seems to be of good quality. Good fit and finish. Only potential issue, is the lever opens way too easily. It won't just pop open when firing, but it will open if the gun gets bumped in the right spot. I don't know how far this is a genuine fault, because the CB in 1895 stands for "cowboy", and I assume it's possibly intentional that the lever opens up so easily.
I think it's still a decent deer caliber but I think more and more hunters are luck to have land where close up shots are possible. More and more hunting is less wooded and ranges are likely to be further. Unless you have the cash to pay for a premium spot.
Volunteers are generally worth what you pay them. If you would like to stop by and help please do. There is no pay, you have to provide your own gas and lunch, and everyone will bitch about your work that was for their benefit.
Bought a '94 in '72 when I waz 16. Went into a Sporting goods store with what I thought waz enough money ($100) and walked out with one. Chopped the barrel and stock so it would fit in a holster like Steve McQueen in Bounty Hunter. My mom took it away...
I feel like you belong on a TV show minus the camera man, your opinions, the cluttered background, and your target missing lol. Very informative, thanks.
Target Time There are several things which have effected the price of these. Post 64 Winchesters used to be located for $200-$500 depending on condition. The in the early 1990's Winchester bowed to anti gun freaks and added a useless push button safety. This made the newer rifles less desirable and drove up the price of the older ones. The Winchester stopped producing them for awhile which really drove up the prices with costs hitting over $1000.00 in some circles. Now Winchester is manufacturing them again so in time hopefully the price will drop again. Another effect of locating older guns is the internet. I used to routinely check pawn shops and gun stores for used rifles/pistols since the early 1980's seeking that hidden treasure. In the last several years I have noticed fewer shops stock used firearms for public view choosing to just store them and advertise on the internet, thus reaching a larger viewing crowd. This makes those hidden unnoticed treasures suddenly caught in bidding wars by collectors all from their laptops. But....it also allows us to browse for more weapons without the time and travel.. Good with the bad huh??? :)
You should still be able to turn them up for $300-$500 used but you will need to look at a cheaper shop or a gun show. Best deals are after hunting season when shops get multiple in stock as trades. They usually will start lowering the prices to get the excess sold off.
My.32 came out over I believe a 1-3 year period where the receiver has a pitted look.. it’s not rusted or pitted; but I was told it was because during those years the particular metal was in short supply?? Anyone know anything? .32
Need to put the camera on a tripod and move items more slowly in the field of view. The more you zoom, the slower you need to move the object, if at all. The comparison was interesting, but you need to hold on the comparison shots longer - count to about 5 or 6 to give time for consideration of what you're seeing - particularly when you are showing 3 different objects. Plenty of useful information here; might have been useful to show pins and screws vs. roll pins for comparison. I have one that was made in 1947, and it's pristine - still has all its original bluing and no pits. A family heirloom. Thanks for the effort and information. Keep at it!
My manufacture date of 1869 is a piece of American Art and Engineering. The wood fits the metal like it was all carved from one piece. I love it! Save your money, buy as old of a 30-30 as you can. The older the better. To think a person over 50 years old with hands as rough as file hand-fit the wood to each 30-30 to make it perfect and that was his job! We don't honor Craftsman like we use to and Hollywood tries to make us think that only people under 30 years old count.
bought my 94 win @ walgreens drug store in 1969 new for $ 69.95 works fine,. groups all shots in a paper plate 100yrd off hand if i do my part...guess its a piece of crap.....but kills deer,easy carry quick bush gun.
Army of One36 Sadly that is all to often the case. I never understood using the one of lesser quality while keeping the better one locked up. Kinda defeats the purpose. Who cares how well a gun is built if it’s not going to be used?
I bought one that was made in 47 from a guy I worked with in 78 for 110 bucks, at that time you could have bought a brand new one for about the same price, two weeks after I bought it the guy wanted to buy it back from me, I still have it it's in excellent shape and there's no way in hell I would sell it for 300 bucks.
I inherited my grandfathers Pre-64 Model 94. He only shot a couple boxes of ammo thru it-it's almost in mint condition. Just sat in his, then my father's, then my closets all those years. Wonder what it's worth? (not that I'd ever sell it...just curious). One gorgeous gun!
My 1894AE (circa 1989) has the machined steel receiver. You can get good 1894 Winchester's that are late 1980s vintage. You don't have to look for pre 64 models. However the newer 1894's are foreign-made now, so good luck!
I know this comment is pretty old, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you. I have a 1980s Model 94 in 7-30 Waters, and it's a phenomenal rifle. Definitely a favorite for backcountry hunting.
I have an ‘81 that I got from my grandfather 31 years ago. It still runs perfectly and shoots like brand new. I also have a ‘64 SN 276**** and it still runs fine but I would say the ‘81 is a better gun.
I got a 94AE made by US Repeating Arms, in .357 mag. with 16" barrel about the time word was out that Winchester was going T-U. Great looking little rifle & perfect for deer in my part of the country. Problem was, one day out in the field it jammed up. The little POS sintered metal tab that holds back the next round from feeding from the magazine had broken off, causing the next round to feed & jam up the action. I was able to get a replacement, but I've never trusted the rifle again - who knows when it will break again. Guys at my range with the .44 & .45 models have had the same problem. Whoever designed the part to be made from cheap-o sintered metal instead of cast or forged ought to be kicked upside the head.
How can I tell if mine is a pre-64 or not? Mine looks just like your pre-64 except for one little detail. I don't know what the part is called. It the the to piece of the slide. It pushes the hammer back. Your has 2 holes on each side of the center piece, mine doesn't. Finish and everything else looks exactly the same. How can or where can I look up the serial number? Oh yeah, I was told that was a pre-64 but at the time (1982) I didn't know the significance of that.
30-30 was designed for cast and it is such a great platform as it's just barely weak enough that cast is still feasible but strong enough from medium game.
Nothing at all wrong with the ballistics of the .30-30. It isn't intended to be used as a 500 yd sniper rifle (though with the right sighting equipment it will kill just fine at that distance) up to 200 yds it gets the job done. Some of the newer ammo types extend its practical range even a bit farther.
When buying a used 94 What do you look for.. Currently have an option of a '65 asking $300. Just the basics? check action, check for dents bends etc. ?
At $300 it would have to be pretty trashed to not be a good deal... Check the action and make sure it is smooth make sure the locking block that pops up between the bolt and hammer goes all the way up, that means the bolt is locked all the way forward., check the rifling and make sure it's not a sewer pipe, check over the wood and bluing for dings or wear. For $300 I would expect some wear on the wood/bluing but no major issues. You may luck out and find it's mint. I'd take cash and offer $250. Worst case they say no and you take it for $300.
At 4:34 when I close the action you can see the locking block pop up behind the bolt. That is what keeps the bolt forward. Overtime they can get worn or bent and the lockup can get sloppy. Allowing the bolt to not seat fully with the action closed and allowing too much headspace. While you should look at it, it's very unlikely you will find a gun that has actually had enough use to wear out the locking block. The only issue I've ever had with the 1894s in the video was a broken firing pin on the newest one, just broke one day while shooting, popped a new one in and no issues since.
Gun&ShotTV Thank you sir. I appreciate it. I've yet to see it in person. but the seller claims he hadn't fired in years. red flag? as well. The rifle doesn't have the shroud around the front sight. when did Winchester implement the front sight cover? lastly, the butt plate doesn't say winchester. is that commen on a 1965.
I know where there is an early 94 in .30 WCF (.30-30) and it's in rough condition. They're wanting upwards of around 1k for it. I can't do that. If it were nicer maybe. I have a 1973 94 and it's got some pretty wood on it. I have an angle eject .44 mag that's ok. I do prefer Winchester lever guns to Marlin. Just the look I guess.
Anything before 1910 seems to have enough of a tie to the wild west that prices go crazy. While the pre 64 guns are nicer the later ones are still great shooters so I'd rather have a gun I can shoot without worrying about a ding hurting the value. I collect guns but because I'm a shooter not as investments.
It's highly unlikely that 2,586,000 pre-64 model 94 Winchester's survived and exist, but 335 million people in the US ÷ 2,500 ,000 is 1 in 134 people. Obviously some pre-64 model 94's exist outside of the United States making them even more scarce for those seeking to own them here in the USA. As of September 2021, there are over 8 billion people existing on the planet Earth. And that means that worldwide just 1 in 3,200 people could own a pre-64 model 94 Winchester. So this should all be kept a secret until I get one
@@sp16xx93 no expert on them but I worked at a gun shop for 15 years and I learned to appreciate the different years of manufacture and the slight changes that were made to the gun over the years!
I found my dads gun that he got from his dad in my grandma's basement, it's a 1894 ... but it has the checkered firing pin, does this mean it's pre-60??
Checkered firing pin probably means pre 64, look at the other indicators discussed in the video. You can also run the serial number and get an approximate date. oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php?file=win1894.dat
I have 2001 ae. It is a beautiful rifle. The cross bolt safety is easy to remove and totally useless. But as far as the weapon goes it has beautiful wood and blueing. So what’s the big deal with AEs?
I'm going through my rifles, cleaning and learning. A Winchester 1894 came my way via inheritance. I checked the S/N and it came back as a 1905. She is beautifully aged and has what appears to be an after market rubber butt. Her only upgrade I imagine. Thank you for the info.
I have already gone to eight gun stores to find a pre-64 model 94 for my husband and one store had one but it sold before I got there. I mean what does a person have to do to get one?
My grandpa got me a model 94 for Christmas when I was 16 made in 1952. It is my favorite hunting rifle! Everything I’ve ever shot with it has died in its tracks, it’s never jammed, after being in some thick brush with angry pigs it always goes boom when you want it to, and it’s always been very accurate. Everyone who’s ever shot the rifle loves it as much as I do and I think everyone should have one because they’re just a fucking awesome gun!
And it's a RITE OF PASSAGE for a pre teen boy to shoot that shoulder cannon.
"How much should I zoom in?"
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It is now 2021 and I see this video was made in 2015. He talks about being able to purchase a model 94 Winchester for 300 dollars or less. I have been involved in selling a larger collection of model 94 Winchester rifles in many different calibers. The average selling price from an on line auction was $934.00 in the first auction and increased to about $1300.00 in the next auction with a Chevy Model going for $2100.00. The last of the rifles was auctioned the end of October and I haven't looked at the results. If you had invested in 2015 in a few model 94's the rate of increase in value was pretty good.
the price of these have settled back down to around 600 now in 2024.
@dopal6819 for a pre or post 64?
@@robertjohnson6663 most of the time ether or unless the seller knows the difference then the pre 64 might be a bit more. I’ve seen a few for $700
@dopal6819 you would have been foolish not to have bought them because they are selling for $1000 or more at every auction I've been at.
@@williamevans2176 not where I live, maybe you aren’t looking at the right places
My dad bought a brand new Model 94 in 1978 for my 14th birthday. He then promptly locked it up after I unwrapped it and said I wasn't ready for a 30-30 and my Marlin Model 60 I got for my 12th birthday would have to do.
I finally got it back last year and 33 years later promptly took it out to the range for its first shots ever. Suffice to say I was more than ready for a 30-30 and it is an incredible rifle.
I've got one of the last Win 94's that they made before changing them, and man, it's awesome. It's an heirloom, for sure. To use a tired cliche, they just don't make 'em like they used to.
Great video, except for the terrible camera work
Inherited my grandpa's Winchester 94 many years ago. It's had very little use, so it's in great condition. It was built in 74 (same year I got out of high school), so it's not exactly a collector gun, but it's still one of my prize possessions. It's like owning a piece of American history. I love the balance and feel of it too. Now that it's a legal deer gun here, I hope to do some hunting with it.
As I go over in the video the 70s guns are actually pretty nice except for the bluing which has no impact on shooting it. Definitely a great heirloom rifle.
As far as I’m concerned they are all gorgeous Winchesters!! I’d have all of them! I love Winchester lever action rifles ❤
I got sea sick with the camera swaying !!
2 years later and I am right there with ya.
Adrian Larkin
No doubt! Geez, terrible camera work.
Dude!!! Camera zoom isn't a necessity if you are only 3 ft away!
+halenstone22 Turns out a volunteer cameraman is worth about what you pay him. Thanks for watching.
Good video, great information. Just traded for a model 94 year of make 1977. I was glad to hear my rifle is one of the better post 64s
Nice video, I had a pre-64 94 and sold it, it was rough to cycle and I should have got it worked on. I have a 2003 AE 94 and it is very nice in every way. It does not have the history, but the deer don't care.
There are actually lots of differences between the Model 1894 right up to 1964. You had the rifles, which normally was a 26-inch barrel, either octagon or round, you could get that with a full mag, half mag (button mag) & a 3/4 mag, with a crescent buttplate or shotgun style flat buttplate, then there were the carbines. The early saddle ring carbines are easy to spot, the front sight is behind the forward barrel band, and had a rounded buttplate, early 1930's, the front sight was a ramp and then moved in front of the barrel band, but these guns had the same style buttplate as the SRC's, the rear sight was closer to the receiver than the front band and you still had the two screw holes in the tang for a tang mounted sight. These are called "transition guns", then around the 1940's, the buttplate became a shotgun (flat) style, the rear sight was moved closer to the forward barrel band on the barrel, and the second hole in the tang was removed. This style continued up until 1964 and was pretty much how the Model 94 looked to the end, there were subtle differences all the way through the line. The lever safety spring was changed from a coil to a flat spring, so it isn't so much as there was the pre-64 and post 64 guns. You have to look at it over the entire timeline of the gun from 1894 onward.
Thanks for googling
When we're ones with octagon barrels made?
I have had a pre-64 Model '94. Bought it slightly used in 1961! Over the years while I was still hunting it was always my "fall back" weapon. Had a scoped Winchester model 70 in .270 and a scoped Remington model 700, I believe it was, in 30-06. I always found the Model '94 much easier to carry, and much faster to get off a shot. Missed several shots because I had to get the heavier, scoped rifles of my shoulder in the sling. Never felt the need to carry the 30-30 in a sling. And I found it quite accurate at 200+ yards with modern hand loads. Most all shots I ever made were under 150 yards. Longest was on an Antelope at just under 400 yards. Held the iron sights on his back, bullet struck 7 inches lower. Animal took two steps and collapsed. All the rifle I ever needed after that.
I have watched this video several times and I really enjoy it. It is NOT "over the top zealous" but very informative and well produced.
When he said "looks kinda shitty" at 1:46 I nearly blew Coke out of my nose
Blow coke huh ;) lol
My god that camera work was exquisite
Marlin riflea
Bought mine 2003 or 04 in .44 Rem Mag 16" bbl. Always wanted a lever action. Love the legacy firearms a lot. Well Done Episode 👍
Under 300. Uhhhh no. The market is 400-500 for a post 64. Atleast in Texas.
Most post 64s run 300-500 depending on condition. For $500 it had better be LNIB.
I mean if they are going for 300 or less, by all means send me the link cause I'l buy several lol.
Let me quote the last comment before yours.
"I recently bought a model 94 30-30 manfactured in 1972 in mint condition for $280"
There are 7 million + model 94s on the used market. Even though I think they are worth more than $300 the supply is way higher than the demand in today's market.
I recently purchased one for $300 from a pawn. Decent condition.
I've got a 61 in pretty decent shape for sale
1964 was the beginning of the end for the American Winchester company. They bled out slowly and finally expired in 2006 when the New Haven CT plant closed. Customers looked on the cheapening of the firearm line as a breach of trust and never forgave Winchester for it. The Miroku Winchester line from Japan might as well not exist as most of Winchesters traditional customer base cannot afford them. Marlin is facing the same dilemma with the Remington 2008 acquisition being Marlins "1964".
+bushed274 That is true to some extent but I think it's more economics than simple customer preference. The fact is Winchester rifles were designed when labor was cheap and winchester wasn't the only company to outsource or go under in the same timeframe. The only American success story from the 50's on that comes to mind is Ruger who managed to design guns to be made cheaply and minimally finished but strong enough that customers don't see them and "Cheap"
I have a new Marlin and I have old ones as well. Old ones are a bit nicer but the latest production from NY is not shabby. The Miroku is supposed to be a very nice rendition of the old model 94 Winchester but I refuse to buy a gun from a company located in a country that doesn't permit their citizens to buy the same gun. No US gun owner should buy a gun that is made in Japan.
It's all opinion. I have the 94 model 30-30 Ranger 1894-1994 edition. Beautiful rifle that is very accurate and solid.
The change in production method actually occurred during 1964 with some guns produced that year being of the "pre-64" production method and some being of the "post-64" method. The serial numbers on 1964 production models reveal this. Mine was built in 1964 (early) but is of the pre-64 style.
Any idea when they switched over , I have a 64 , I really like it , definitely one of my favorite guns.
I bought a new model 94 in 1972 still have it great little rifle.Enjoyed your video learned something.
Thanks for watching
This is one of the best, short videos I've seen on the different models of these rifles!
I have a 1969 Winchester model 94 and it shoots pretty damn well. Keyholed continuously in the bullseye with it at around 60-70 yards I'm happy with it great little whitetail gun. Now I'm looking at a early model Marlin I might pick up and do a comparison on the two
I don't think you understand whay keyhole means
Yeah to say keyhole means the bullets are not flying true tumbling if it’s keyholing something is wrong
I've owned several of these rifles. And I want to say even those that were called crappy here were very good rifles. I've had one pre 64 and 5 or 6 post and they were all great rifles...
Quite true, the "bad" parts really are not all that bad except to book-learners and to snobs. Sintered iron designs were used in many things calling for strength. Engine connecting rods are made with sintered metal (powdered metal) for many high performance engine designs. Advantages are more consistency in design and final production, reducing of stress points, and cheaper. People pointing out that the receivers are sintered metal say that like they are going to break. They don't.
Also, the stamped lifter is only lifting a cartridge up into place. It is more than adequate for the job. It is stamped steel, not sheetmetal. The A-arms on most cars are stamped steel. Do you worry they will break?
Reducing costs doesn't always mean "cheap" or poorly built. My 1968 94 isn't really blued; it is black. It looks almost like powder coating. It still looks like new and it has been used in the woods, not just a wall decoration.
I have a .32 winchester special with octagon barrel. From what i can see from serial number its from 1909. I still shoot it and its fun to shoot. It use to be my grampas farm gun so its a little beaten up but fun to shoot
They only did one good thing post 64.
On the old pre guns the cartridge guides in the reciever, the screw heads were on the INSIDE of the reciever.
(Ridiculously difficult)
A real kitty to deal with!
That was great! I have a Ted Williams model 100 I think mid 70's. Its a fantastic rifle, I cast and coat 155gr lead .309 target loads, love keeping it shouldered dumping 6 rounds at 60yds. Same projectile I load for the AK hitting my 10in plate at 300yds easy. They are not the same lol. Wish I could find more 30-30 brass
I owned a 1970 model 94 .30/.30. It was a beautiful looking rifle. Upon initial visual inspection all looked very good so I bought it for $200.00. I couldn't hit anything with iron sights at 100 yards. I installed a Bushnell 3-9x40 scope and still couldn't dial it in. My scope was rattling so I exchanged it. Still couldn't dial in. I put the scope on my AR10 and dialed in quickly. I had the 94 checked by a gunsmith who stopped counting fractures in the barrel at 27. I have heard similar stories about other post 64 94's.
I have a 70's model it's beautiful dark wood.. and in great condition not a ding on it it was inheritance from my grandmother
Just picked up a model 94 Canadian Centennial commemorative rifle. Seems to have the machined lifter, octagonal barrel (heavy) and gloss black action with gold maple leaf scrolling. I love it! Great addition to my collection; right between my Mossburg .22 tactical and my Weatherby .300 magnum. Thanks for the run down! Didn't know about the "pre '64" distinction until after I bought mine. I don't think those drawbacks pertain to my GUN, though.
+Doug Gann That rifle should have been made in 1967 so it is definitely a post 64. If you look at the shape of the scallops on the sides of the receiver and the checkering on the hammer it should have the later parts although it was possible Winchester was using up older parts to build the special edition guns as they would have sold at a premium over a standard rifle.
Bought one of these in 1968 from Sears. Paid $69 for it. Never had a problem with it. By 2009 the blueing had worn off of the receiver. Tried to have it reblued, but it wouldn't take the blueing. Decided to have it bead blasted with 400 grit and parkerized to milspec. Turned out nice.
I got a used 94 for my 18th birthday many, many years ago, lol. That SOB was accurate as heck. I used it with open sights and could hit just about anything. Of course I was a lot younger and had better vision but that rifle was great. While I was in the military I think one of my brothers took it from my parents' home and it never found it'd way back, lol. Great video, I never knew the real difference between the pre and post 64 rifles. Thanks for the info. Great job.
They definitely are capable of great accuracy. The slower softer lead bullets kind of work like target wadcutters and can be very consistent if you are.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Yes sir. Thank you.
I still have mine,that my dad got for me new in 1974; I have taken several deer with it,it shoots straight & works good! & no it's not for sale!
Thanks for the advise. I had to oil it a bit and use force to break it loose. Tore it down for a complete cleaning and what a pain to reassemble after a badly needed cleaning. I need to replace the rear barrel band screw ( the original was bent and would not thread). Great rifle and I can't wait to shoot it once I replace the damaged screw. Thanks again!
I broke a barrel band screw on my rossi 1892 clone. Not sure how they get them in there at the factory but they seem to be a disposable part once you remove them once.
When Winchester changed the receiver steel grade back in the 1890s to better handle modern rounds like their then groundbreaking 30-30, the result was that the bluing process they used did not produce the very dark patina of the older steels, and that, over time, the bluing on the upgraded streel rifles wears off.
Some older pre-64 Winchester 94s have lost so much of the original bluing that they appear to be in the white.
I have one of the '70s you show here. Bought it for $100 25+ years ago and don't regret a dollar of it. I'd pay double that now. The bluing has developed a nice patina believe it or not, and just by the luck of whatever, the wood is gorgeous.
I think the reasons this gun has done so well for over 100 years is the fact that it is hefty enough that it minimizes recoil, it is a small enough package you can get it into and out of small spaces, the lever action adds the feeling of actually contributing to the shot, the round may not be the biggest or the farthest reaching, but is designed for unaided eyesight range. The kick is satisfying without making the shooter want to flinch. And if a bear charges you and you are out of ammo you can grab it by the barrel and thump the hell out of it. Also, it is a piece of Americana that is beautiful whether you use it as a working weapon, or as a display item. Like the M-1 and M-16 it is immediately recognizable.
Just my 102 cents worth.
I think the recoil is also helped by the relatively light .30-30 cartridge. Plenty of power for up to medium sized game but non of the shoulder pain of heavy rounds especially when plinking and firing repeatedly. And now the Leverevolution ammo has solved the primer bullet shape issue if you want a bit more range.
Thank you so much for this info! I am finally able to see how much my 70s production 30-30 is worth now.
A sub $300 pre 64 94... 8 years after this video and they go for around 700-1000 in my area
+Evin Schmiedecke I can't reply directly due to your G+ settings but the 30-30 is a very light shooting cartridge and the model 94 is a great platform to shoot it out of. As mentioned in the video it is mainly useful as a woods or brush gun where range is limited to 200 yards or less. Longer than that you will probably want a scope which doesn't play nice with traditional top eject model 1894 rifles and the 30-30 cartridge is not as flat shooting as more modern rounds which makes long range work with irons more of a gamble. Not saying it isn't possible just needs a bit more skill especially when buck fever strikes.
Hey man thanks for telling me I appreciate it
Any chance you could show us a Post 2006 Model made in Japan? I've heard even though they are not considered a true 94, that they are really well made. Trying to find one of the pre 64 models is rough right now as most are going for 1-3k in most places.
My 1977 has forged receiver, proof steel, ( a moly chrome steel) barrel forged lever, heavy non stamped steel lifter, and forged barrel bands, and a beautiful fantastic Walnut stock and forearm. I have had a few rifles before and after the Pre 64 nonsense.
Good video. I inherited a 1950 Model 94, chambered in .32Special from my grandfather. As you said, it's not good for much beyond 100yds, but it is perfectly suited to hunting in the woods of northern VT and New England. The only problem I have is the ammunition is a rather obscure caliber and is getting harder to find. I may have to resign myself to making this gun a display piece, or investing in my own reloading setup.
+Lawrence Black Even 30-30 is worth the cost of reloading. It's a bitter pill to swallow but once you invest in some basic reloading gear the savings will pile up. (or you'll just shoot 10x as much for the same expense)
Damn 8 years ago those pre-64s could still be had for around $300. Now you'll be extremely lucky to get a beat to shit post-64 for $300. Just picked up my 70s 94 for $700 and it looks great, I knew about pre and post 64s but didn't know the specifics, the receiver being basically powdered cast is not appealing but in function it doesn't seem to matter, maybe in another 50 years it's age will start to show but mine is a beautiful example of a 70s model. Thanks for the video!
Nice explanation. Just a bit of advise, keep the rifle shouldered when working the lever. Dropping it to waist level when working the lever is slow and not how it was designed to be used.
I just picked up a pre 64 for $200 cash today and no I’m not kidding. It’s fully functional and has light rust on the receiver. I checked the serial number and it is between ‘43 and ‘48. I’m going to clean it up and give it to my son to go deer hunting. He was excited when I showed him his new gun.
+bigmike2000mb
For $200 You can always strip it and rust blue it or even cerrocoat it if it will be a hunting beater
plus you can cast /powdercoat and use unique to reload dirt cheap plinking ammo
I found a pre 64 at a pawn shop for $300! The stock was broken but i still bought it LOL
Great video… exactly what i was looking for. Thanks
I have a 1964 and the bluing has worn off the receiver but the bluing on the other parts is perfect. Great rifle.
My model 94 is 32 special caliber is pre 1950s with the steel butt plate, dad got it from grampa when he turn 16 and I got from dad when I turned 16, dad was born in 38 and I was born is 60 so she's been around for awhile but still shoots perfectly and kicks like a mule.
I bought a 1966 centennial, and it’s gold/brass plated and it looks great
What he mistakes for bad bluing 1:35 is the finish on the receiver. Plating, coating, and painting all depends on the base being in good condition. Chrome bumpers shine because the base metal has been polished to a shiny surface and then plated to preserve that shine. I have a 1968 Sesquicentennial and it also looks great. The specials were given better treatment for looks, as they were sold as collectibles, than the run of the mill regular production. And part of that is that gun owners didn't buy the regular rifles for bling; they bought them to hunt with.
The drawback is the stamped parts instead of machined parts. However, for most people, this is a non-issue that is blown out of proportion. Stamp parts work well enough for the majority of shooters. Odds are you will grow old before wearing it out shooting, unless you shoot very often. It is like the Chevy stamped rocker arm stigma instead of machined rocker arms. There are literally millions of Chevy engines with stamped rocker arms with no issue at all, but the typical magazine-trained car "expert" will tell you stamped rockers are junk.
Mine is a ‘79 30-30 carbine and it’s perfect for a general purpose carbine. I only paid $325 out the door. The main points I like about this vintage of rifle is that it has no manual safety and it’s factory drilled and tapped for a receiver mounted peep sight. Yes, the bluing on the receiver is crap but it’s much smoother than the angle eject rifles, and it’s easy to install a proper rear sight. She’s one of my favorites.
ran the serial number on my 30 30 its dated 1898, any idea what its worth?
The main technological innovation making the new smokeless calibers possible was Winchester's success with their new nickle-steel alloy barrels.
+steelgila That is a good point although I thing companies like Krupp were also pushing the limits of just what advances in steel metallurgy could offer in terms of advances in barrel technologies. And that whole process was likely driven by the technology required by Steam power. Much Like the space race gave us advances in pretty much everything else.
I have one from 1912 beautiful rifle.
Jack Ripper I really like the way a Winchester lever looks but I think they are one of the best handling gun designs around. They are short and light and very easy to carry for a full day of tramping through the woods.
I always wondered what the fuss was about with the pre '64's. Some of the people making the fuss were guys I respect, and are level headed, so I saved my money and waited until I found a pre 64 ( mine is a 1957 year production). Sure is has a couple scratches and the bluing is worn in spots , but the action is smooth, locks up tight and it shoots where you point it.
I mean scarily accurate. This one makes me look good. Worth the money and the effort to find one, believe me, I am not a tightwad, but I don't just burn money on trendy things just because someone else has one.
They built these to last, and they succeeded, shoot one you will see. These are the ones our grandfathers and great grandfathers built, those guys I respect , they knew what they were doing.
The post 64s are still great shooters, they just tend to look a bit ugly and show wear much more easily. I do think the stamped lifters are also much easier to bend than the older machined ones but you can replace it if that happens
It's probably also worth noting that Winchester itself ceded production of its firearms to U.S. Repeating Arms in 1980, which went bankrupt in 1989 and was acquired by Herstal. Herstal, in turn stopped production in the New Haven facility 2006. Today, "Winchester" brand lever guns, including the "94", are made by Miroku in Japan under contract to Herstal-owned Browning. It's hard to think of a current production "Winchester" 1894 as being much more than a replica. Plus, they have that tang-mounted safety. I really think of three eras for Winchester lever guns: pre-64, post-64 and post-2006 wanna-be Winchesters.
+William Thackrey The Japchesters made by Miroku might be replicas but, they are very well made replicas and are much better quality than the post 64 Wins. I had a 1980`s model 94 made by US repeating arms and it was the worst POS I ever owned. It was the gun that turned me into a Marlin fan.
banjer4u The Marlin has a stronger action, anyway. Just a better design - better gun.
marlins were good till remington took over then they put out total garbage for a bit, I've heard that quality is improving, I'll wait and see if they get quality back to how it was before, looked at a marlin couple weeks ago and front sight was off center and the stock didn't properly fit on the rifle.
Ghost Shadow I just purchased a brand new a Marlin 1895CB. Seems to be of good quality. Good fit and finish. Only potential issue, is the lever opens way too easily. It won't just pop open when firing, but it will open if the gun gets bumped in the right spot. I don't know how far this is a genuine fault, because the CB in 1895 stands for "cowboy", and I assume it's possibly intentional that the lever opens up so easily.
@@ghostshadow9046 Ruger just put out their first Marlin.
Popular in the 60's and 70's?! I did not know that 100 yard shots on deer were any different in 2017. WOW!
I think it's still a decent deer caliber but I think more and more hunters are luck to have land where close up shots are possible. More and more hunting is less wooded and ranges are likely to be further. Unless you have the cash to pay for a premium spot.
In the 80s when angle eject came around, they started to mill the receivers again.
1982 I believe.
hey camara person, you only had one job. lol.
Volunteers are generally worth what you pay them.
If you would like to stop by and help please do. There is no pay, you have to provide your own gas and lunch, and everyone will bitch about your work that was for their benefit.
Hey @Merica76, you can't spell "camera."
Bought a '94 in '72 when I waz 16. Went into a Sporting goods store with what I thought waz enough money ($100) and walked out with one. Chopped the barrel and stock so it would fit in a holster like Steve McQueen in Bounty Hunter. My mom took it away...
I feel like you belong on a TV show minus the camera man, your opinions, the cluttered background, and your target missing lol. Very informative, thanks.
I think I'm looking up a different firearm. Showing 900 -1300 online
Target Time There are several things which have effected the price of these. Post 64 Winchesters used to be located for $200-$500 depending on condition. The in the early 1990's Winchester bowed to anti gun freaks and added a useless push button safety. This made the newer rifles less desirable and drove up the price of the older ones. The Winchester stopped producing them for awhile which really drove up the prices with costs hitting over $1000.00 in some circles. Now Winchester is manufacturing them again so in time hopefully the price will drop again. Another effect of locating older guns is the internet. I used to routinely check pawn shops and gun stores for used rifles/pistols since the early 1980's seeking that hidden treasure. In the last several years I have noticed fewer shops stock used firearms for public view choosing to just store them and advertise on the internet, thus reaching a larger viewing crowd. This makes those hidden unnoticed treasures suddenly caught in bidding wars by collectors all from their laptops. But....it also allows us to browse for more weapons without the time and travel.. Good with the bad huh??? :)
You should still be able to turn them up for $300-$500 used but you will need to look at a cheaper shop or a gun show. Best deals are after hunting season when shops get multiple in stock as trades. They usually will start lowering the prices to get the excess sold off.
Ur not. That’s what new ones go for now
My.32 came out over I believe a 1-3 year period where the receiver has a pitted look.. it’s not rusted or pitted; but I was told it was because during those years the particular metal was in short supply?? Anyone know anything? .32
excellent video and good, straight forward information. Thank you, sir!
Need to put the camera on a tripod and move items more slowly in the field of view. The more you zoom, the slower you need to move the object, if at all. The comparison was interesting, but you need to hold on the comparison shots longer - count to about 5 or 6 to give time for consideration of what you're seeing - particularly when you are showing 3 different objects. Plenty of useful information here; might have been useful to show pins and screws vs. roll pins for comparison. I have one that was made in 1947, and it's pristine - still has all its original bluing and no pits. A family heirloom. Thanks for the effort and information. Keep at it!
My manufacture date of 1869 is a piece of American Art and Engineering. The wood fits the metal like it was all carved from one piece. I love it! Save your money, buy as old of a 30-30 as you can. The older the better. To think a person over 50 years old with hands as rough as file hand-fit the wood to each 30-30 to make it perfect and that was his job! We don't honor Craftsman like we use to and Hollywood tries to make us think that only people under 30 years old count.
bought my 94 win @ walgreens drug store in 1969 new for $ 69.95 works fine,. groups all shots in a paper plate 100yrd off hand if i do my part...guess its a piece of crap.....but kills deer,easy carry quick bush gun.
It would be helpful to include S/N for pre 64, post 64 and newer.
The Pre-1964 serial numbers ended with 2600011. The Post-1963 serial numbers began with 2700000.
Probably the most famous rifle ever made. I have a pre-64 model and will never sell it.
So basically in today’s world, pre 64 is for collectors. Post 64 is for actually being used for hunting and shooting. Generally
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Sadly that is all to often the case. I never understood using the one of lesser quality while keeping the better one locked up. Kinda defeats the purpose. Who cares how well a gun is built if it’s not going to be used?
Joe Blo I own a 1976 94 and it doesn’t seem low quality at all. May not be as pretty but Works fine for me.
Very clear your explanation based on what you have
I bought one that was made in 47 from a guy I worked with in 78 for 110 bucks, at that time you could have bought a brand new one for about the same price, two weeks after I bought it the guy wanted to buy it back from me, I still have it it's in excellent shape and there's no way in hell I would sell it for 300 bucks.
I have had both cannot say one works better than the other
maybe someone already made this comment , but the older one with a 1171xxx serial number was made in 1940
Thanks for looking it up
Good video! Thanks for the comparison! Enjoyed watching it,and learned a lot.
I inherited my grandfathers Pre-64 Model 94. He only shot a couple boxes of ammo thru it-it's almost in mint condition. Just sat in his, then my father's, then my closets all those years. Wonder what it's worth? (not that I'd ever sell it...just curious). One gorgeous gun!
True Gun Value says pre 64 model 94s are going for an average of about 1,100 right now.
Love that rifle. I have a 70s. It's in great shape.. Enjoyed your video.
Yup great guns, got one from 1949, it's awesome
Ur camera dude is hammered
My 1894AE (circa 1989) has the machined steel receiver. You can get good 1894 Winchester's that are late 1980s vintage. You don't have to look for pre 64 models. However the newer 1894's are foreign-made now, so good luck!
I know this comment is pretty old, but I just wanted to say that I agree with you. I have a 1980s Model 94 in 7-30 Waters, and it's a phenomenal rifle. Definitely a favorite for backcountry hunting.
I have a model 94 (1941) 30-30 and a model 64 (1935) 32 winchester special. Both shoot extremely well. Only shoot my own reloads.
I have an ‘81 that I got from my grandfather 31 years ago. It still runs perfectly and shoots like brand new. I also have a ‘64 SN 276**** and it still runs fine but I would say the ‘81 is a better gun.
I got a 94AE made by US Repeating Arms, in .357 mag. with 16" barrel about the time word was out that Winchester was going T-U. Great looking little rifle & perfect for deer in my part of the country. Problem was, one day out in the field it jammed up. The little POS sintered metal tab that holds back the next round from feeding from the magazine had broken off, causing the next round to feed & jam up the action. I was able to get a replacement, but I've never trusted the rifle again - who knows when it will break again. Guys at my range with the .44 & .45 models have had the same problem. Whoever designed the part to be made from cheap-o sintered metal instead of cast or forged ought to be kicked upside the head.
Just picked up a pre 64 and glad I did paid a little more than I wanted but it's close to mint
How can I tell if mine is a pre-64 or not? Mine looks just like your pre-64 except for one little detail. I don't know what the part is called. It the the to piece of the slide. It pushes the hammer back. Your has 2 holes on each side of the center piece, mine doesn't. Finish and everything else looks exactly the same. How can or where can I look up the serial number?
Oh yeah, I was told that was a pre-64 but at the time (1982) I didn't know the significance of that.
Great information. Thank you.
my scoped 94ae (angle eject) is one of my favorite cast bullet shooters
30-30 was designed for cast and it is such a great platform as it's just barely weak enough that cast is still feasible but strong enough from medium game.
Nothing at all wrong with the ballistics of the .30-30. It isn't intended to be used as a 500 yd sniper rifle (though with the right sighting equipment it will kill just fine at that distance) up to 200 yds it gets the job done. Some of the newer ammo types extend its practical range even a bit farther.
When buying a used 94 What do you look for.. Currently have an option of a '65 asking $300. Just the basics? check action, check for dents bends etc. ?
At $300 it would have to be pretty trashed to not be a good deal...
Check the action and make sure it is smooth make sure the locking block that pops up between the bolt and hammer goes all the way up, that means the bolt is locked all the way forward., check the rifling and make sure it's not a sewer pipe, check over the wood and bluing for dings or wear.
For $300 I would expect some wear on the wood/bluing but no major issues. You may luck out and find it's mint. I'd take cash and offer $250. Worst case they say no and you take it for $300.
Gun&ShotTV I really do appreciate it. I'll be sure to Google and ensure I know how the locking block should function.
At 4:34 when I close the action you can see the locking block pop up behind the bolt. That is what keeps the bolt forward. Overtime they can get worn or bent and the lockup can get sloppy. Allowing the bolt to not seat fully with the action closed and allowing too much headspace.
While you should look at it, it's very unlikely you will find a gun that has actually had enough use to wear out the locking block. The only issue I've ever had with the 1894s in the video was a broken firing pin on the newest one, just broke one day while shooting, popped a new one in and no issues since.
Gun&ShotTV Thank you sir. I appreciate it. I've yet to see it in person. but the seller claims he hadn't fired in years. red flag?
as well. The rifle doesn't have the shroud around the front sight. when did Winchester implement the front sight cover? lastly, the butt plate doesn't say winchester. is that commen on a 1965.
Gun&ShotTV Thank you again! Do you think a new sight hood would fit correctly?
I know where there is an early 94 in .30 WCF (.30-30) and it's in rough condition. They're wanting upwards of around 1k for it. I can't do that. If it were nicer maybe. I have a 1973 94 and it's got some pretty wood on it. I have an angle eject .44 mag that's ok. I do prefer Winchester lever guns to Marlin. Just the look I guess.
Anything before 1910 seems to have enough of a tie to the wild west that prices go crazy. While the pre 64 guns are nicer the later ones are still great shooters so I'd rather have a gun I can shoot without worrying about a ding hurting the value. I collect guns but because I'm a shooter not as investments.
It's highly unlikely that 2,586,000 pre-64 model 94 Winchester's survived and exist, but 335 million people in the US ÷ 2,500 ,000 is 1 in 134 people. Obviously some pre-64 model 94's exist outside of the United States making them even more scarce for those seeking to own them here in the USA. As of September 2021, there are over 8 billion people existing on the planet Earth. And that means that worldwide just 1 in 3,200 people could own a pre-64 model 94 Winchester. So this should all be kept a secret until I get one
Okay bro your secret is safe with me cuz gots to have one too
Prewar 94's are even nicer, I especially like the transitional guns (1931-37)
Do you know a lot about these? I found a 1931 model in my house that we recently purchased
@@sp16xx93 no expert on them but I worked at a gun shop for 15 years and I learned to appreciate the different years of manufacture and the slight changes that were made to the gun over the years!
I found my dads gun that he got from his dad in my grandma's basement, it's a 1894 ... but it has the checkered firing pin, does this mean it's pre-60??
Checkered firing pin probably means pre 64, look at the other indicators discussed in the video. You can also run the serial number and get an approximate date.
oldguns.net/sn_php/windateslookup.php?file=win1894.dat
Nice, my gun was built in 1899
+Please Ask Me If I Care
A checkered FIRING PIN? did they ever do that?
I've seen checkering on grips, stocks, fore ends and hammer spurs.
Anyone know where to get parts for 1892s. I need the screws for the clamp around the fore end and barrel.
Great content and you really know your stuff...good video except for the camera work. Can you reshoot/refilm this video?
The angle eject is certainly a benefit if you want to mount a scope!
+Scott Barber But 30-30 is probably not the best round for long distance shooting anyways.
I have 2001 ae. It is a beautiful rifle. The cross bolt safety is easy to remove and totally useless. But as far as the weapon goes it has beautiful wood and blueing. So what’s the big deal with AEs?
I have my Grandfather’s 1941 30 WCF. It’s in beautiful shape.
I'm going through my rifles, cleaning and learning. A Winchester 1894 came my way via inheritance. I checked the S/N and it came back as a 1905. She is beautifully aged and has what appears to be an after market rubber butt. Her only upgrade I imagine. Thank you for the info.
I have already gone to eight gun stores to find a pre-64 model 94 for my husband and one store had one but it sold before I got there. I mean what does a person have to do to get one?
My favorite lever guns in this order:
Marlin
Henry
Winchester
Why is Marlin your favourite?