Asmongold Reacts to "Is FFXIV PvP THAT Bad?" | By Zepla
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- Asmongold watches a video by Zepla, who discusses about what is considered the worst part of Final Fantasy 14, the PvP. Although not so many players actually PvP, Square Enix has added a few arenas to their MMO. So why is this so bad? Asmongold discusses...
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Thank you so much for the shoutout! Since I never played WoW your point of view was very informative to me ^_^
Keep up the good work brother ,hope endwalker will bring some fresh changes to PvP
I actually quit the game because of LACK of quality PvP, and the announcement a while ago that they decided it wasn't a main focus. Totally fine, just not my cup of tea. Sorely wish they would actually make it a priority, but it is what it is.
Pvp in FF is totally kiddy level playing
Ah the god himself. ASMON PIN THIS
Thank you for highlighting the under-played content. The system is all kinds of bollocks and evidently abused, but that's why we need people like you putting in the work to show that it's still worth doing.
“It burns when I pvp.” My new favorite quote.
Yeah that's a shirt right there.
god that's a vanilla wow aged joke
That is an ancient pvp guild name.
Sounds like me when i eat spicy food it burns 2 times 😵
@@caffeinefuelled9186 Yeah, I saw so many guilds with that name
I do frontlines roulette for exp, I just run around with the pack dotting enemies and healing people who get low. I have no idea what's going on usually.
I’m pretty sure this is 90% of the frontline roulette members.
Hello AZNBeefcake, as a new Dragoon player I feel the same way! I appreciate the comment!
youre crushing it honestly
@@spicy.d thanks Daniel, excellent comment by you as well. Hope you have a wonderful day.
You've convinced me to finally give it a try.
She was hugging that wall terrain just like a pillar in wow pvp. She's a natural!
When zepla said ‘come at me ‘ and asmongold said ‘yep’ .
I felt that
Chat:
Timestamp please
1:50
They should be a thing. Like irl. It would put a smile on my face
@@awp20rokhum He needs to learn how to bathe first.
As an example of how bad it can get. As a samurai, shoha's animation can be LONGER than Midare's cast (depending on server connection) with the damage coming out at the end of the animation. And if the target moves away at any point during that long animation or you lose LoS (which can happen when people run behind walls or even worse by running behind you if the server is acting wonky) the skill is cancelled with no damage coming out. That's how bad it can be.
And we are talking about a skill labeled as "instant" lol
the pvp in FF14 is so laggy, delayed and awful it made me quit the game instant.... I'd much rather play BDO pvp or WoW's than this unfinished combat system they have in FF14.. ew
@@loiuhuiygny7guyguiygk Why would you play any MMOrpg only for PvP? They all kinda suck.
@@byteresistor Yep, MMOPvP mainly rewards no-lifers, the best PVP games are ones where cheating has almost been completely removed and you can't grind for an advantage over others. (No objectively better weapons/etc just for playing longer) Sadly not enough developers invest in anti-cheat software though. Hell, I've seen devs make shooters that don't even understand how hitboxes work.
Yep reason why I went with GNB or MCH to PVP with. The animations for certain jobs just don't meld very well in player-vs-player content.
It’s so bad because the “polling rate” or tick rate of the game engine’s netcode interacting with the servers is so slow compared to other games with much more snappy and responsive PvP like WoW and LoL.
In WoW if you kidney shot it happened immediately. Not in XIV though and that’s the issue.
As a FF vet who could literally never find a pvp match - I think it's drastically improved.
Especially ever since the Daily Frontline Roulette gives you a Fulll Level Up, regardless of level. Helps so much!
(And tons of end-game currency at Level 80)
"Especially ever since the Daily Frontline Roulette gives you a Fulll Level Up, regardless of level."
Wait, whaaat? I knew that Frontline would give you a good xp boost, but when was it that good?
It does not give you full level, I Just did it at lvl 77 drg, got first place and got about 1/2 a level. It's still damn good xp but definetly not a full level regardless of level.
@@raoinshishiza152 *up to around Lv75-80, it gives you a full level. My apologies
@@ralphbeez1411 when I came back almost 2 years ago, I noticed it then 👍
It does WHAT!?
"is ffxiv pvp that bad?"
e9s: well...yes but no.
E9s? E12s, hello..
This whole tier is PVP lol
i swear every pf has a different strat for tiles i feel this in my soul lol
Conspiracy theory:
The top pvp'ers instilled the idea that pvp sucks into the community so they would have less competition for the top 100.
Yes would not be surprised. They also have alts to do... guess what :)
No. Server ticks and general combat system issues in this game made/make pvp ass
Ya PvP has entirely separate abilities/skills than in PvE. So there is no balancing concerns
Blizzard should have been doing that since the beginning
@@MrTaylork1 eh, i personally think thats one reason pvp feels meh in ffxiv, having your entire class put into 4 buttons is kinda boring
Meanwhile in Destiny....
That gotta be the worst escuse i have ever saw to "balance" a game. lmao. And the 4 abilities is to make you not feel dizzy too?
True except there are clear winners in the balance department like black mage being FAR above the other caster ranged dps in feast and dragoon being the best melee.
Game definitely wasn’t made with it in mind specifically but it exists. And it can be fun sometimes. But yeah there’s issues.
You really gotta think about this version of PVP as a seprate game almost. 14's PVP is like an arcade version of the main game.
It's like comparing NBA 2K and NBA Jam, if you get my example.
@@omensoffate the non fluid gameplay as in where you dont do the thing due to cast times meaning sometimes when you press a button it doesnt work. The fact frontlines is 3 teams meaning its impossible to balance. Theres only one map for feast meaning its stagnant gameplay as even tho games like league follow the same idea the mechanics of the feast map are not interesting enough to create unique experiences each time you play. Classes are not interesting and are sometimes clunky(ex ninja). Its a team play game mode where the more people doing baseline matters more than individual skill resulting in the feeling like you cant do anything. You want more?
@Mark Sheymus ouch bullshitter? looks someone got busted
@@deenman23 Please, do your research into a topic before you start talking out of your ass.
thats about it, have fun and forget problems, right? too bad FF doesnt have open pvp, or does it?
PvP in XIV just feels bad because of the really slow server tick rate. You can literally heal someone when they’re low and they still die. Every cast feels like it has to travel through the air before it lands on the player.
It just feels like sludge.
Yep this is why I've migrated away from XIV pvp.
^ this. Zepla is enjoying it because its fun having that adrenaline rush as a healer not dying, but I guarantee you she should have died at least 4-5 times in this video alone. Its dumb lol.
@@despain8726 it goes both ways though. As in healing is delayed as well. Hard to say if she would have died.
Anyway, I’m probably just used to FFXIV server ticks so it hasn’t bothered me as much. Maybe also because Feast is not really as reliant on reactive actions. It’s more about bursting at the right time and CC in the right targets.
@@jamvng Em, how about dispelling stuns, counter CC and other reactive stuff which denies enemies burst attempt. If Anything PVP should be most reactive gamemode. And let's not remember how all knocbacks and draw ins work in this game. (Unrealiable as hell, because they can happen in any random moment due to ticks)
Because you dont understand it.
The actions are being put in the queue for each particular player. If someone use heal before you do dmg skill, then the heal comes first then your dmg.
Its snappy and fact, it just the system makes sure all actions are executed one after another. This gives you a plenty of possibilities if you know how to use it on your side.
It's crazy how 10 years change everything , When I played Wow and Eve online , It was all about PvP , we made fun of the care bears that wouldn't even try PvP
well pvp is shit in moderns games
i still remember how i lived pvp in eve, daoc, gw
but ff14 one is a bad joke
@@sanderkiki elyon pvp going to be good atleast early game.
now we get fucked by real life hard enough that we dont wanna get fucked online in pvp too
@@friendlyneighborhoodtotall1902 isn't that the truth 😆
@@friendlyneighborhoodtotall1902 the truth hurts
I played palace with you the other day! You were leveling red mage. I was surprised because I thought you were in Midgardsormr but nah, you're in superior Cactuar. I'm thinking about switching to crystal though. Ngl though, very jealous of your cactuar mount.
EDIT: PvP since the PvE hotbar was removed has really improved, the first rework was terrible but its really good currently (DK & WHM op :s)
I started & finished my very first season of The Feast and it took me a little over 370 matches to get diamond.
The experience as melee dps feels like getting a good scratch ticket in the Gold Saucer.
If the tank doesn't stun on time or the healer doesn't Repose (sleep) there will almost always be no kill.
I also noticed that melees get blamed a metric shit ton and quick chat does not remove any toxicity the normal chat would have.
Nobody plays peak performance all the time but new players and up getting shafted as melees, tanks or healers.
As melee you are "responsible" for the countdown from what people told me and some teammates do a simple "Hello." (wtf is this SE) to tell you that their burst is ready,
sometimes however (honestly its 50/50) people DEMAND that you spam the shit out of countdown even when you have nothing ready, they will make sure you know that they are pissed for not seeing a number counting down by spaming "HELLO." a billion times IMMEDIATLY when that magic number is gone form the current target.
to make matters worse some will straight up ignore legitimate calls and start their own countdowns etc.
Deaths get the usual PvP treatment with a quick flame and blame.
Afk also happens but I can't even blame them when the game is beyond lost.
Solo queue has win trades as well so when a healer at the last minute suddenly lets everyone drop, it is not THAT rare at higher elo like mid/high plat and onwards.
What is really rare is terrible ranged DPS, I had like 3 cases that I actually noticed other than focus targets being ignored and thats it.
The main issue is that if you are a PvP sprout you get NOTHING in terms of information, PvP is dead because most people don't want to enter an already toxic enviroment and get the full force of that by not knowing whats going on with some missing details on the meta and so forth on top of it.
It took almost 250 matches until I had a grasp on everything and at that point I already brute forced my way to plat (overshooting my orginal goal of gold).
if you are lucky, someone will be mad enough to /tell you and at that point your mental will decide wether you remain calm and get some infromation out of him or straight up report some of the more colorful /tells you get.
I could go on and on but I'm struggling to structure this nicely to make sure I don't miss some major details etc... you should get the gist of it tho.
TL;DR Yes PvP has toxic sweaty andies but just play Ranged DPS and pray to rng for a good team, you get more points than you lose anyways.
This post was made by a salty Monk that is baffled by the fact that PvP Monk makes more sense than PvE Monk.
The lack of moderation is a huge one, GMs on point in a lot of things in ff but the shit people get away with in pvp even after multiple people report them is absurd, it’s a shame because I like feast and other pvp modes a whole lot but it’s frustrating as hell having to deal with all the bullshit
Avid and well known win traders have been temporarily banned rarely but still end up receiving awards. I’ve been on the receiving end of a speed hacker on Crystal before too named Ba Ka
Been a main PvP player for over 15 years until I landed on ffxiv 2 years ago. In my opinion PvP in ff is terrible. Clunky combat, the server ticks screw you over, awful crown control, and I despise target combat but that depends on personal taste. On top of all that put bad moderation, eternal que times, and cheaters. I go there just for the good looking rewards. I only agree with Zepla on saying that nobody should tell others to not try pvp because it is bad. Everyone should make their own opinions, but if I truly believe the pvp is trash, I will say it is trash in hope that the devs improve it at some point. I can have a very negative yet civilized opinion.
@@omensoffate It was a typo on crowd control. The way you can affect large groups of people. Mass aoe damage, buffs, debuffs, disables, including many status effects that don't even exist in ff. It is usually the main job of casters during battlegrounds. FF does have AOEs, but if you ever did pvp in other games, you'll know how bad it is here. Things like the fear which a good tank and 2 casters can inflict in a bottleneck.
This is exactly why I dislike it as well. You can REALLY tell the game wasn’t designed or redesigned to have PvP in mind at all. They’d drastically need to improve the tick rate but they won’t because this tick rate is needed for consoles apparently.
Can't have good PvP without crown control.
That's right. Let them know who you are. 👑
Merlwyb in ARR had the same VA as Knight Commander Meredith in DA and Meridia/Boethea in Skyrim. Most people like her ARR VA over her new/current one.
not sure if her VA got changed again but in ShB Merlwyb sounds a lot more like she did in ARR, unique accent and all.
We need Blitzball in PVP or at the Golden Saucer.
I think it’ll be available on endWalker, D:
I hate Blitzball 🤣
I’ve shed tears of blood trying to play blitzball and I never understood how to play it 😂
The original Dark Age of Camelot RvR style PvP was by far the best experience I've ever enjoyed. When EA bought the game and butchered it, I never found another that came close. I don't miss PvP, maybe I've outgrown that type of gaming desire. When the PvE content is good enough, doing something else doesn't grab my interest. Hm. Maybe I'm just getting old, lol.
Have you ever tried Elder Scrolls Online? The 3 factions fighting over towns, keeps, control of the dragon scrolls, etc in Cyrodiil and going at each other for sectors and in the sewers of Imperial City might be right up your alley. DAOC players I've talked to love them.
Relic raids at 3 am :) god I miss DAOC..pre TOA.
my man. RvR is like a dark art that the world has forgotten about lol. we need more MMOs developing massive multiplayer combat in open world areas befitting of the genre, not 10v10ish fights in small isolated PvP arenas like we're competitive CoD players.
@@Bob_Cratchit this
Dude can we stop pushing DAOC? do you kknow why no game copy it or improves it? because it was terrible.
I knew this was gonna be good when they got Ricardo in there.
He literally pointed out every single thing that I noticed over the course of doing PvP in this game for 2 years.
Some things are just mind blowing. I love Rival Wings and the fact that Astragalos is to this day still "temporarily" unavailable in Duty Finder makes absolutely no sense. Patch it out of the game to avoid confusion, then bring it back when it's ready. Blocking it without a reason is the worst.
Rival Wings is one of the most underrated PvP modes I have ever seen in MMOs. I'd rather people try it before Frontlines.
I'm still waiting for the day that Revival Wings will make their Discord announcement that Rival Wings has finally been "revived".
I play PvP in FFXIV to just have fun. I’ve learned to stop worrying about winning and losing and just focus on my killing streak and just enjoying the fight.
Eh, idk. It's a little hard to enjoy it when the classes are dull in pvp, 2/3 gamemodes are unplayable expect under certain circumstances... and the rewards are so far out of reach that it doesn't encourage growth at all. Idk, I want to be hopeful but FFXIV PVP will always be dog water. If they haven't listened now, they never will.
Asmongold eyebrows lift with every word he says.
I wonder if his eyebrows work like a PC hard drive light that lights whenever the PC is accessing the hard drive.
Any other guess?
Good take
Look at zeplas expressions they act almost the same.
@@jgon12 so Zepla is just the female version of asmonbald? But with hair? I thought she showered every day
@@mobius1qwe yes pretty much
The thing that I personally push away from pvp as a new player is being instantly max level and having a separate ui... when rotations are so complex it makes it daunting to not have the learning leveling phase, especially going into something where you need to react to another player's skill
>PvP Ain't that bad
>3 people can't kill a healer
Yeah. That's what I call bad pvp. Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying the hell out of FF14, but as a usually pvp-oriented player, I feel a tad bit neglected. Then again, I got used to it by playing WoW.
In WoW there are no defensive cooldowns in pvp?
Sounds like bad pvp.
Oh you mean you can't kill the healers when they're using their cooldowns in 14.
It's funny. They actually tried nerfing healers in PvP to balance things out, but when they did, healers would always lose in PvP confrontations, even in 1v1. It even got to the point where if you wanted to seriously PvP, you either wouldn't go healer, or you'd stay far in the back so you wouldn't give the enemy free kills. But when they rebuffed healers again, they became broken once more. As it is, I think they need to rethink the entire PvP system.
Ooh careful you said something negative, you’re gonna get hounded now by people that can’t take criticism
If 3 people cant kill a healer in pvp, then theyre bad, not the other way around.
The people who were fighting zepla just werent that good.
@@Dragonpit they need to create an objective base pvp mode I think. It would be way better cause it'll be okay to die. And people watching can understand better
Those players attacking her were just bad; if she goes up against the right squad, she will get destroyed. PvP in Final Fantasy XIV is actually fun. It's just not the focus like the PvE content. I believe it still has much potential to grow.
FF14 is kids game
@@rodrigorodrigues5729 and your mom is everyone’s game but we enjoy it right? let people play ff and shut up
@@cathug566 pretty fitting name
@@cathug566 you're just garbage though.. insulting mothers over the internet, how pathetic can u be?
@@akhsdenlew1861 imagine being this naive on the internet. insulting people's mothers is a tradition that goes back literal thousands of years, you'd think people would of gotten over it by now.
When zepla mentioned that she is featuring Ricardo, I turned my brain off. If you watch his streams and actually know how he and his groupie treats other pvp players in-game or in their discord possie, you're going to think differently. What you see here is just him putting on an act for the camera. Like out of all of the people she decides to feature for pvp talks, she chose him 🤣
I dont know them or watched their videos, but actually the quote saying “being mad about losing is okay and toxicity is griefing“ says quite alot. Being upset about losing is fine, but if you bring it up in chat than that’s just projecting and becomes toxic in consequence to the players still having fun while losing. Just like you shouldnt encourage breaking your controller over dark souls. If a game is making you upset (even a team-based game) and you feel the need for everyone to witness it, or to react emotionally, that’s a personal problem. It’s important to find that balance of having fun in competitve settings and not get tilted if you lose.
@@oddsign if you want to see the worst side of ffxiv pvp just join his discord
@@HawooAwoo and that's fine 🙂. The same goes for "featured people."
I miss Minfila's VA the most. The HW ones are definitely great, but there each character had their own charm imo. Would've loved to hear the different regional accents clash in HW.
Years late though. Sadge
"People deemed thos emodes bad without even trying"
Oh good lord, forgive my expletives if I ever queue in to shatter map and your team forgot it's king of the hill mode...
Also, for anyone wanting to try out frontline even just for dailies or what not, please remember about the invincibility buff. Not just for yourself but if your team ever tries to push back one team to their spawn - you'll just feed when you stay there for a minute.
Thoth emodeth
PvP ain't THAT bad. Just need more budget to make PvP more fun...AND MORE RIVAL WINGS EVENT! 😡
The lack of a pvp community means people continue to abuse the system and cheat in the ranked PvP mode. Primal Data center had over 50% of its top 100 bought and MASSIVE win trading for the entire season 18/19. I reported about 90 of my 300 matches in season 19 and square has taken 0 action against the win traders i ran into. Time was my issue as to why i didn't get top 100 that season and almost 1/3rd of my matches were lost because of win traders. Moderation will always be an issue, square doesn't care.
Lack of a community? We have 4 huge discords, events and tons of linkshells dedicated to it.
Not to mention it beinf showcased at lunarcon.
@@youngecujoh855 which is very little if you take into consideration the vast population of FFXIV right now.
@@youngecujoh855 If we had a large community queues wouldn't be dead most of the day. there isn't a large enough number of players to stop bad actors from abusing the matchmaking system which is why they can just get 8 accounts and win trade when the feast queue is dead.
Its tiny in comparison to what would be needed to keep the queues live enough to stop that from happening.
@@akhsdenlew1861 in what way? 4 discords for to cover 3 types of pvp content is actually very generous.
Pvp has alot of issues, but the community isnt at all as small as you think. And even then it still gets its own trophies, unique armor sets, and t100 armour sets.
Its not huge, but it certainly not small
@@Rueian queus die mostly due to rank disparity not just population. You could have a 100 people in gold, and a 200 in unranked
But the amount of rolls spread between them like tank healer, rdps, and dps is very narrow. I dont deny the community is fucking massiave, but it isnt small.
Theyre are a multitude of factors, that the feasts system it self uses that shoots it in the foot. So to say its entirely on thr community being small are just incorrect.
The only thing im arguing, is that the pvp community overall isnt like 10 people running around. Its far far larger then that.
gw2 does the balancing best. duration and effects of skills differ from mode to mode. so in pvp a certain skill is basically weaker then in pve so it fits with the generall dmg of pvp but since changes of that sort only apply to the pvp version of a skill it is basically untouched for pve. its such a flexible and great system!
I do enjoy PotD - Great for leveling alts to 50 too.
Problem is PvP require low ping. FF14 has a permanent cap on ping for everyone. So even if animation goes off, damage would not be calculated. It takes a lot of getting used to especially when I am from AION where PvP was the focus of the game.
Going up against players that are better than you isn't necessarily a bad thing. I use to play Tekken and a little Street Fighter competitively. Playing people above your skill level improves you quite quickly especially if you go into it with a learning mind set instead of a "I have to win every game" mindset.
I am a fighting game player too! However I think in team games this experience is much different. It is not fair and not fun to lose because one teammate is severely not where they are suppose to be. The better the balance the better the matches
I tried queuing into PVP after watching this video but the queue was over an hour
It's not that pvp is bad / Terrible in FF14, it's the lack of moderation in it and certain game modes. I play rival wings as much as possible but it isn't as popular and probably won't find any matches unless it's a Saturday when specific group of people play it. Frontlines is terrible in execution, but cool on paper. It's cool that we have 3 factions duking it out, but 33% probability of winning really sucks. Especially if you get match in Failstrome with people doing Frontline roulette and don't have a sense of team work and do their own thing. Or if your faction is in the lead, the other two factions just gang bang you and the team finishes last.
As long as Gear makes no difference in PvP.
FF14 is a no go for me. There's no reason to play it, it has no progression. it's an MMORPG without the RPG.
Therefor it also falls in my opinion.
I was leveling Bard and tried doing Frountlines and was so much fun it helped me get there 20 levels because I wanted to use those skills. I would love to pvp but people just need to play it.....Oh and I had a lot of fun getting behind the enemy team and unloading everything into their healer while they're guard was down to unsure that I get the kill and that my team could sweep up the rest...only worked a bit but was satisfying.
I am level 60 noob and never once the game offered me to join PvP. I have no idea where to find it, how to enter, how to participate, what is it all about. Not even requirements to enter. Not even requirements to unlock the requirements. Why? This alone can solve the participation issues. Or is it only max level?
I just started Feast this season. I think it is pretty fun, biggest complaint comes with how obnoxious it can be to coordinate a focused attack on a team with a popping healer. One thing I had to get use to from WoW is not being able to just pop all my heals or resistance buff skills that don't share a cd to try and escape death. You have to pace them out and anticipate a little more. Feels bad at first, but I think overall helps the general flow of gameplay. Really bummed I chose to get into during its potential last season at least for awhile
I don't do much Feast, if any, but I love doing Frontline and Rival Wings. My main way if getting tomestones. As for how it feels to play, you gotta learn attack animations and when damage actually land on the target. Is it a long or short animation? Does the damage register at the beginning or end of the animation? Learn to burst down targets and then finish them off with Smite, if you play as Melee DPS that is. Just doing the normal GCDs is not gonna cut it.
The vicious cycle of the devs going "why would we update X no one plays it" and the players going "we don't play X because it's not being updated"
I did FFXIV PvP when it first came out, and while I had fun with it because I could stunlock somebody for like 9 seconds as a paladin, there were other issues like ranged characters could jump repeatedly and melee couldn't hit them, lol.
There are some mounts and some really cool glamours, but needing 100 wins on certain maps just turns me off to grinding it. Would love that Commander's Coat, but the queue times and the like aren't worth it.
Also, Asmon's take on skilled people driving away other players is a problem in many PvP games. Trials of Osiris in Destiny 2 has a huge problem due to the skill gap. The way its currently designed, its very inaccessible for most people and the matchmaking loves putting bad players vs multiple flawless teams due to that design. This lead to a lot of lower skilled players leaving, followed by average and even good players. Eventually all that's left is the few top tier players and the mode is on life support.
In the olden days of PVP (2013-2014), it was a lawless madhouse and you could do things like play a Marauder (not Warrior) with a bunch of cross-class Dragoon cooldowns and annihilate people. For a while Summoners could rez so it was like fighting an endless zombie army, stuff like that. Also not only did gear matter there was PVP-specific gear, and if you had it you would generally destroy people without it. I get why they normalized it and I've been playing it a lot since coming back, but sometimes I miss making people just explode.
I remember using One Ilm Punch on Summoners to just completely get rid of all their Aetherflow stacks. Fun times.
I understand what Asmon's saying about the ARR vs. HW voice acting. There are a lot of accents in FFXIV that American players might not be familiar with. They are real accents of course but since they are not too common in other media they feel fresh and unique in this fantasy setting. Often these voices will straight up improve a cutscene that would otherwise feel very "anime". I've got good news for Asmon or other players who are still doing HW though because these accents are not gone from the game, there will be a lot of new characters who will have accents like that, they are just more consistent with things like characters from same region having similar accents and stuff starting with HW.
i just tried frontline today for the first time and i have to say i got destroyed but the absolute chaos of all those players battling it out was what i enjoyed.
If you care about PVP, play a game that designed for PVP, not an MMO
Man... the way Asmon brought up the cheating problem diminishing the value of plays made by good players because instead of thinking "Whoa that was Crazy !" the default thought process "Could he be Cheating ? That was suspicious as hell" absolutely destroys the Competitive Integrity, it hits different.
This also includes people on the top 100 board when so many could have just bought their spot. the rewards are just flexes that people may not have earned. Last 2 season there was a massive number of bought top 100 positions across all data centers because of how desired the armor was. People want to downplay how bad it was. This was not just being piloted, but also manipulating the queues to allow for win trading and gate keeping people who didn't pay. On Primal there were some players who were extorted, being told that if they didn't pay their matches would be thrown.
A note on the voice actors, I preferred the uniqueness of the voices in ARR, but the thing that made it bad was voice direction. Also had a more "all-star" cast, if you can call it that. HW onward had much better direction, but I felt a lack of uniqueness.
What Asmon and a lot of people don't know when it comes to bad pvp in WoW is that there is a lot (i mean it, a lot) of low level players at lvl 20 BGs or lvl 10 BGs using weapons with ilv 49~54 obtained through glitches, ruining the experience of new players.
Streamers could revive pvp if they like it
Streamers prefer to wait for new world instead of playing this trash pvp,
@@vanguard8471 NW will be dead in a month though, everybody knows it.
16:28 - Rogues
Oh pvp in this game is actual garbage. It's just a huge zerg fest of players bouncing around, getting hit by things that kill you so fast you never have time to react or even tell where they came from. I suppose if you've never experienced good pvp then you'd think it was acceptable.
The Balancing won't effect PvE tho and thats why I think It got huge Potential if given the right Staff
so many people dont realize that, all the skills have PvE and PvP variations, so they could go hog wild with the PvP balancing. while never effecting raid tuning.
Yeah!!!!!!!!
0:57 I'd be interested in hearing Asmon's full breakdown about PoTD. I've never done it, and I'm past the point where it's useful for EXP, so if I ever did it it'd have to be for the fun of it. I'm also hearing how it compares to WoW's much maligned Torghast, which I've also never played but which I understand is a vaguely similar roguelike dungeon thing.
Torghast is a cool concept, but Blizzard tied character power progression to it such that players *have* to do Torghast over and over again while it's also being time gated. This combination makes Torghast incredibly bad and feels more like a chore rather than a fun game play.
Shiva on Real Life is not even close to The one in FF games, Starting by The Fact that It is a Male God not a Female
Also FF got Inspiration From a Lot of things, among them D&D, and D&D also got Inspiration From Real World and LoTR too, even Ifrit From FF came From D&D that hás The Ifreet Race, that came From Real Life Mythology From Djins and Such
If you play healer, PVP is fun, there is just so much LAG you can negate people trying to hit you at all times.
PVP once had an entirely separate equipment system. Before 4.0, you not only had an entirely separate moveset when you did PVP, you had to clog up your armory chest with armor with a PVP exclusive stat. This permanently soured my view of PVP lmao
oh so how WoW did it for a while with the resilience stat. I also know there used to be a separate leveling system to unlock certain skills. I mean, its still there but it doesn't actually do anything tangible anymore.
A part of me feels bad for not engaging in the PVP but the fact is that for me PVP in MMOs has never been good. I haven't enjoyed it in ESO, WoW...etc... BDO and Blade & Soul have okay-ish PVP. In fact the only PVP I've enjoyed in an MMO is Huttball in SWTOR. My options for PVP are wait around for an hour for FF PVP, or log out and in less then 2 minutes be PVP-ing in Apex, CoD, Overwatch, CSGO, Valorant, LoL or any other game that does PVP well. On a side-note Solo POTD is one of my favorite things to do in FFXIV XD. There's no way to know what you'll enjoy unless you stop listening to everyone and determine for yourself what you enjoy because everyone else is wrong, including me.
I did some pvp a few months ago for some glamours I wanted from old pvp sets. I can honestly say I had a lot fun. It's not too hard to figure out what works and what doesn't. My tip for anyone just starting is to just follow the high rank people and see what they do.
I agree with what is being said but I feel like the biggest reason I hate pvp in ffxiv is because of how your abilities are changed. I drives crazy when I work on rotations or adaptations to rotations then go into pvp and press 1 button multiple times.
Back when The Feast first went up, party chat was enabled, so people could trash talk each other the entire time, lol. It's been a toxic experience since day 1, unfortunately. Even when they disabled party chat and added macros instead for messages, it didn't really help since people would just spam the macro 'Nice job!' over and over again when things got bad.
the simplest answer to balancing is have the abilities run completely differently than they do in PVE. Separate the two, keep the sanctity of PVE and the wonderful balance, but allow PVP to grow alongside.
I'm currently dabbling into PvP and finding it fun. Some times the queues are not good tho.
PotD is actualy fun... but my problem with it is that I don't have the time to dedicate for it.
I'm spending my workday listening to asmon react to all the videos I already watched🤣
Pro tip: you can queue a Frontline duty roulette with a job you want to level up and switch to a high/max leveled job and get the XP for the job you started the queue with.
more like switch to a job you actually set up a pvp hotbar for lmao
GW2 and ESO have the best looking and most player-involved/responsive gameplay for pvp I think. There are so many aspects of the gameplay that must be solely dictated by what the player is doing with their keyboard and how actually skilled they are in doing that. One thing I'm upset about when pvping in Lost Ark is that its very non-skill based, like they don't have a responsive dodge system, the player control of the character is slow, and the AOE CC with large diameter is nearly impossible to avoid with the clunky way your character moves. Also that makes it too easy to become chain CCd and stunlocked without a CC break or a diminishing return of CC with immunity.
Well.. I joined a feast as soon I unlocked it and got demolished... The hotbar change combined with an enemy team of pros was so demoralising so imo the first fix is having ranked matchmaking. Let me come up against other sprouts who also haven't set up their hotbar and are new to pvp... :i
@@omensoffate I do now, but the only intro the game gives you is "this is the Den, go fight"... It doesn't tell you that your bar will change or where you arrange it. As a new player I am just expected to know this apparently...
@18:15 I ran into a guy who did that, but it was a Warlock with Atiesh and Vanilla Naxx gear and this was during Cata or MOP. Thunderfury is just RNG, but Atiesh? Yeah I can't report someone flexing Atiesh.
Hidden Gorge is actually really good. You don't need only killing to win. If you hate fighting, just collecting Fuel does help team a lot.
the best i've seen for huge group pvp was old Warhammer and elder scrolls online, I actually thought the FF14 3 faction huge PVP battleground thing was not too bad when I did it either so. The problems with large groups has always been the insane lag and just feeling so very useless, especially if your melee having to be the ones that go in and die.
Endwalker: [Summoner gets rework in PvE]
Also Endwalker: [Summoner in PVP still plays like its dot-focused self before it got reworked and has no pet]
someone in chat genuinely used the "he is paying his sub he can do what he wants" excuse LMAO
Frontline PvP in FFXIV is so fun!... But the 30min queue kills it sadly...
damn what DC are you on? Primal it is less than 5 minutes after 4pm
@@Chippaization I'm on EU/Chaos/Omega. Between 16:00 and 22:00 it's only 5min queue time, agree with that. but anytime outside that time frame is +30min
@@DvalinMMO damn that's rough
@@Chippaization you got good queue 24/7?
Its more of a brawl..the only reason why i stopped playing the game after having several lvl 80s..is the pvp.
the PvP in ffxiv. . . is absolute HOT GARBAGE. . .
WoW has pvp that is absolutely great tho, thats the one thing i like about pvp.
why do characters legs stop working and they just slide on the ground while casting??
I did Frontline for the first time the other day. All my buttons were different. No mounts no Egi. I got jacked everywhere I went.. a did have some fun in that it was chaos and I love seeing 72 players in 1 arena
If they there was some kind of gvg sieges or something like lineage 2 had, I would stay in FFXIV for sure.
PVP could be improved, it just depends how. I would get back into it but its so unpopular, the queue times are so long
done frontline regularly and tried the others... and not impressed... i would feel better doing PvP if there was actual goals and strategies... these just feel like scrambling skirmishes where you just die over and over again. There's really no incentive to get better at it. I really really hope that SE brings out something good and makes people want to play pvp.
I have tried to q pvp the past 5 days EU 6-11 night server time and i just dont get any q's at all. Kinda sad, because i had fun doing the 3 pvp matches i have done
Frontline pops daily on EU starting from reset time.
Rival Wings pops every weekend due to Revival and the schedule we make.
Feast pops during prime time hours
Make sure you queue ranked, training rarely pops during an active season.
@@Layvee Make sense will do that thx !
I hate frontline if I could afk then leave I would. There is nothing more frustrating than some random opponent running into your whole squad of two full parties IF NOT THE WHOLE RAID and just survive. How. Why. What's happening.
Feast is awesome tho. More clear more concise
They should disable broken skills in PVP and add new skills to replace them. PvP exclusive skills should replace broken regular skills. They could even have alternate versions of the same skill with different numbers. Maybe every job should have a pvp mode to it.
I tried PVP a few times a long time ago but as someone who's more afraid of people than monsters, I just dread the whole runs.
honestly I've tried pvp, really only for wondrous tails it takes some getting used to, i got dropped into a game with a different abilities bar than my normal layout with multiple people on mounts all rushing off in a particular direction with no info or nothing to tell me what to do, fortunately i got used to it pretty fast but it should have some sort of test or training mode for new players or new pvp players as its fairly confusing as to whats happening
Playing a Mmo and not do PvP?? Like WTF??
Thats the fun Part 😂
With how small and tight the current PvP community is reaching top 100 is fairly reasonable as long as you play consistently. it being so tight nit also tends to be a massive problem though as if you get to a season late you basically dont get to play at all because theres pretty much no one at those lower ranks to match you with anymore.
I am excited for Endwalker PvP changes though. They mentioned they have a new smaller scale mode in the works with entirely new balancing to focus on self sufficiency and objectives rather than what it is now where 90% of if you win or not comes down to how much of a god your healer is.
The larger PvP Modes also have a problem with the multi alliance combat on Frontlines in both server update speeds as well as how the game handles culling and a horde of players immediately being on top of you with no indication or just some QoL issues in targeting.
PvP also has the issue that because its such a small community it basically has no larger coverage and because of that there are next to no up to date guides available for the modes and it makes easing yourself into PvP nearly impossible for a new player whos interesting in dipping their toes into the pool.
Also, the ones that quickly say how bad PVP is... are generally not good at it.
They have attempted to revamp it a few times, specifically with skills, but it hasn't worked out so far. They used to have other maps and modes that they have removed to condense it down to concentrate the player base to reduce the queues. There used to be a 8v8 mode that I liked the most of all the modes I have every played. It and others have disappeared because, and where the pvp is dead saying comes from, is if you queue outside of a specific times, the queues could be 4 hours or more. I know people wonder why someone would stay in queue that long, but usually it was because I legit forgot I was in queue while I did other things. Unfortunately, I have seen tons of cheating and throwing matches on my server in the feast. Cancelling limits on characters that they weren't even targeting is one of the most obvious ones. I have personally enjoyed pvp and am glad they are planning on working on it in Endwalker. I currently avoid the feast because of the messes I have seen, but I do enjoy the other modes. Zepla is right about needing a dedicated pvp team. It would benefit so much from it. Oh and Revival Discord does try to help new players and answer questions, it's awesome.
I wish PvP got more attention especially Rival Wings nothing is more fun than using Alexander mounts to destroy people.
I played XIV since release off ARR, just a weak ago i tried out PvP for the first time and i have to say its fun, have a lot to learn but its fun my mates are all kind and stuff.
My Goal is to get into the top 100 in one of the Feast seasons and i practise a lot, when i see that i can beat sometimes players so easily than im happy to see that all that practise is not a waste of my time^^
EDIT: sorry for the bad english, english is not my first language ^^
I started to play PVP for the feast. It's actually pretty fun ngl. It may sound bad or it just looks terrible but it's actually pretty fun. The only thing not fun is the god damn que timers taking forever.
it was fun during heavensward, but now it's horribly boring after they gave healers no mp cost heals.
@@RyuSaarva man I remember Heavensward PVP. It was such a blast being able to use all your abilities lol.
I think the WoW folks who are coming over will play it and they will get the interest in it they’re looking for. And since Yoshi-P listens those pvp’ers will be heard. Since it’s separate, that side of the game can grow. There is hope.
Nah. I think the WoW PvPers will try it and realize how slow and laggy it feels compared to WoW and hate it.
I feel like they’ve already encountered things they thought they’d hate and found them to be fun. At least the players who were more interested in finding something new as opposed to a Splenda version of WoW.
I agree on the unpopular hot take that ARR voices were better. In ARR you didn't actually ever think about the voices, you just paid attention to the words and actual story being told. HW voices changed to where it seemed like everyone was trying to have the most unique voice possible and it became distracting, especially yshtola and thancred.
They need a pvp tutorial mission with AI badly.
well pvp on ff14 is shit, unbalanced, 3 teams is a terrible design and in general a lot of rng on resource/points spawns ...really bad .
FF14 pvp still has issues, but it's significantly better than it used to be. Personally, I think Healers are still a bit too strong in pvp, but that's a hard bit of balance to hit.