Watching from the States, I appreciate everyone who is involved, in any way, to keep me updated on the latest findings. Love getting a rational presentation, that expects the viewer has living brain cells.
Dear Roberta, here's an old adage of caution: ' bullshit baffles brains' or as Orwell put it, some things are so unreal/untrue that only intellectuals would believe them.
@@rogerstarkey5390 but of course, hence the eternal need for skepticism in science. Never 'just believe' because it's a metaphorical "white coat" Always question more.
Mate the lack of therapy research or discussion is just disgraceful. Focussing purely on vaccines is just so short sighted we need a multimodal approach. As a former immunology and genetics researcher I am very disappointed as this virus will continue mutating we need treatments not just vaccines.
@@joycejnn useless. Give us access to Iver ivermectin so I can treat my family. My wife is double jabbed, healthy and sicker than me and the two boys who aren't jabbed. Day 1 of isolation:)
We have so many treatments! PUBMED is full of data in regards to them. Diet, exercise, vitd, zinc, quercitin, ivermectin, low stress... Just to name a few. Get rid of obesity, adios severe illness from this.
Welcome back Prof Spector. Shocking how much profit is made on the test kits when travelling overseas! .... Rather concerning that Israel rates are so high, and with deaths - interesting that it may be due to them having the 2nd vaccine earlier. Looking forward to your webinar next week to hear more on the effectiveness of the vaccine. Thank you and your Team for your hard work to date,,it is SO appreciated.
@@Shaun_Smith23 I'd love your take on what it is? The NHS was only awarded 1 government contract out of all the health contracts on offer during the pandemic. This was the vaccine rollout. They kept to timeline and delivered successfully, which goes to show that WHEN funded properly the NHS can perform. Receiving 4% less funding year on year is going to cause issues, and mean they have no immediate back up for situations like this. If you want the NHS gone. Then consider the funded private contracts and how they went? The track and trace app Testing Lunchboxes for kids Food parcels for vulnerable A vast profit was skimmed from these contracts with the end products being poor. If you are one of those blaming the NHS for the decision which PHE made (discharging elderly back to nursing home.) Then just stop. If you are one of those talking about cancer patients. Then also I'd ask what you would have done? Bring patients who have a low immune systems into a hospital with an infectious disease. A disease for which there was no test, nor PPE. What the NHS did was send the most clinically at risk to have their chemo at satellite centres (away from hospitals.) They could've used the resources of private hospitals for this also. However, they closed. Because with extra costs of PPE, testing etc 'healthcare wasn't profitable' , so they closed. Without the government funding the building of new hospitals (instead of closing them) as the population grows, it can only go one way.
@al1970able only an imbecile would not take COVID seriously (ahem Boris Johnson.) Maybe an individual's risk of death is low. However, there is enough of a vulnerable population to render the healthcare service full. Also potential for more serious mutations. And the disablement of 1 in 6 through Long COVID. If a person doesn't take that seriously. Well...
@@Shaun_Smith23 please think about where your information is from and who has influenced it. Take a look at the US system. It is no different. Except that you PAY for someone who may or may not know what they are doing. People with severe cancers there are being pushed down wait lists, ignored, and misdiagnosed. I know the NHS is not perfect. However the Americans pay more to their government than we do AND have to pay for their own healthcare on top of this. This is truly something we do not want to lose. The attitudes and plain false claims I see on the internet will only assist the (gov) wealthy people who want to privatise the NHS. Think about what you say, what the alternative will look like. This came up on my time line randomly. A person in the US's experience of having cancer. th-cam.com/video/3E75UvmY9GA/w-d-xo.html
As always your updates are eagerly awaited and the information you provide is appreciated. The Webinars always provide additional information which is also appreciated. Thank you to everyone involved in collecting and collating this data and to Tim for presenting it to us
What more lies Here is an honest video about the effectiveness of the vaccines are. This highlights the lies you have been blindly believing. th-cam.com/video/TtFapXG1zbo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Dr.SuneelDhand-MedStoicLifestyleMedicine Go here to find information you will not see on the mainstream media everythingcovid.wordpress.com/
@@garyfumeaux9226 Absolutely, the goal has always been to get as many of these poisons into people as possible! Covid? well, it is just a manufactured panic to achieve that goal.
For the past 27 weeks I've been keeping a record of the death numbers from the Yellow Card reporting system. 37 people in the last 7 days died taking the total up to 1,596. We need to know more about these people. Their age, their state of health before the jab etc. etc. Surely most of the jabs being given now are not to the frail and elderly but to younger, stronger people ?
So it appears to me there may be a pretty tricky situation just around the corner for grandparents involved with any regular childcare. Our vaccine effectiveness is about to start waning just at the time of year when the kids start bringing home the viruses.
There’s already a tricky situation for grandparents, and anybody who is vulnerable … A lot of ppl think they can’t catch Covid, or pass it on, if they have had the jab. So when they get mild symptoms they don’t change their behaviour. It seems to me the vaccinated are now more ‘dangerous’ than the unvaccinated.
@@Hickalum Not if people continue to follow received advice, ie social distance, masks where appropriate and self isolation if you have symptoms, however mild. As has been the case throughout this pandemic, if people actually follow advice, outcomes will be better.
@@garyfumeaux9226 Did you actually listen and comprehend what Dr Dhand is saying? Clearly not as he supports the use of booster vaccinations, especially in vulnerable groups. He clearly states, as do the ZOE team, that the effect of the vaccine wanes over time and that boosters will be required. At no point does he say the vaccines "Don't Work", he simpoly points out that covid-19 is going to be an endemic virus, and that by it's nature will mutate (like influenza), meaning that ongoing annual vaccination will be required to keep it under control. So, Mr Genius, what do YOU suggest is the answer?
@@angrygromit93 Early treatments and intervention should be what is next explored. If the vaccines wane after four months we are literally back to square one now and then there will be pressure on the whole country yet again to get a vaccine. This is not the golden bullet as was promoted and the focus needs to change.
Except the science is only relevant to accurate data! The way that covid cases and deaths have been fraudulently recorded and are insanely inaccurate due to the test methods, well it rather makes the science bollocks.
Where did he get the previous tan? No worrying about sun/skin damage then😭 Will never understand the British obsession with heat/sun & getting tans, you come back from holiday after 1-2 weeks & tan fades😩
… something to consider about fitter people getting Long Covid…from a lifetime in sport and exercise, I’ve observed many recreational athletes coming back to fitness or endurance, way too quickly after flu and chest infections and not fully rebound…I’ve seen some with having had Covid, coming back immediately to marathon distances etc…I think coming back to fitness regimes needs utmost caution in view of Long Covid! Something to consider…
If people could sit still long enough and really listen to their bodies whenever they get anything, they would not go on with long covid and transfer illnesses. We are all in a rat race and believe we need to keep "doing"!!
Based on every bit of research ZOE and people like John Campbell have looked at, nothing of that sort has been observed - yet, at least. Protection against hospitalisation and against death remains exactly the same according to studies in Israel and elsewhere, even when the likelihood of actually catching covid rises.
@@surfmadpig I agree that that’s what I’ve seen from other sources, just not from ZOE unless I’ve missed it and I guess that’s the important thing, although slightly disappointing anyway.
Many thanks for all that you and your team do to keep us informed mainly independently from the Gov’t. 👏👏 Would be very interesting to know UK deaths by percentage age group please.
9:25 - are those numbers on efficacy corrected by age? Without correction by age I think efficacy figures can be very misleading, definitely for Israel and probably for the UK, because vaccination rate correlates with age but so does risk of disease. So you get Simpson's paradox. See Jeffrey Morris's explanation of this on the Covid-19 Data Science blog.
I am reporting from what used to be Forest Heath in West Suffolk. It has now become West Suffolk, a much larger area so I no longer get meaningful local figures and don’t know how deal with this as I haven’t physically moved house and the app doesn’t ask appropriate question. Please can you help? Thank you and the team for keeping us updated, so very much appreciated.
Welcome back and thank you for the latest update. I was particularly pleased to see graph 2 where you included a comparison of the Zoe figures with those of the government. That is what I requested following last week's update.
@@DropdudeJohn Absolutely, why when the narrative is your selfish for not getting the vaccine are developed countries with supposed good healthcare not prioritising the old etc and sending vaccines to countries that don’t have vaccines for auto immune deficient age groups. Because it’s about coercion and manipulation. The narrative would implode with its own lies.
How about addressing the elephant in the room? Repurposed medicines which are being used as alternatives or in conjunction with vaccinations. More and more physicians are using and/or prescribing them, because they work.
I’m double-vaxxed but really can’t be bothered to travel abroad for a second year, given all of the hurdles and costs put in place. Disappointing really.
Me too, the testing, the risk of being sent to a not very nice quarantine hotel in Spain and the risk of being ill or very ill while abroad and trying to make yourself understood in a foreign language (English) to Spanish doctors would make it difficult to actually relax and enjoy the holiday. However beginning to wonder if I will ever travel abroad ever again and that makes me sad.
Had email to apply for an antibody test kit. Used link but did not work on gov.uk. Phoned and had to register which took about half an hour. Then got text with code to receive kit again website did not work. Phoned 119 and they could not enter my code and told to register again. This took another 45 minutes and gave up. What a shambles over to me a simple request.
i am fully vaccinated and i got covid few days ago, i would have no idea i have it if i did not do a random PCR test. EDIT: I did ANOTHER test yesterday and it came negative. I am confused
@@milenalm5288 most people get no symptoms, or only very mild symptoms. We have the vaccine now which also vastly reduces the number of people who get seriously ill. Time to stop testing, stop over analyzing every rise or fall in the numbers. We don't do this with flu, or the cold viruses or the countless other viruses that can make us sick.
My son 21 , 1 jab got covid and passed it on to (even though we isolated him in the top end of the house) myself,52 hubby 55 both double vaccinated and youngest 16 unvaccinated. 3 of us were pretty ill for 10 day full days so I dispute its like a cold , still have no taste/smell. My youngest unvaccinated only had high temperature. My faith in all the advice is seriously waning.
The figures are basically BS, as are attested by the 25% taken off the BS death rate during the height of the scamdemic. Notice not one person bangs the the drum about Covid mortality rate Ie 82.7 years of age…it’s that simple.
Is your chart on the waning of the effectiveness against infection adjusted for the fact that both vaccines are less effective against Delta? If not then some of that drop in protection could be from Delta coming into play. Could the waning level off and stabilise?
@@prasiet1 it's not harsh. I was wondering that myself. Is it the vaccines are waning or is it that they are less effective against Delta. Since the first people vaxed were the elderly and those with comorbidities , even a relatively mild case of Delta after vaxing could be bad enough to make them very ill. A real conclusion can only be drawn 8 months after the healthier, younger people have been fully vaccinated .
@@evelynwoolston7 your absolutely correct the re infection is not so mild after the vaccine people I know who got reinfected after the vaccine had a nasty bout same the other way round . Not all because it is a very small percent that are hospitalised we know that we do need to keep an eye on it
@@prasiet1 if I had to make a video I would need to write down first what I wanted to say. If you have to give a talk on such a serious, life threatening subject as opposed to chatting gaily about your method of styling your hair, I'd say that a script was vital.
My partner has had terrible menstrual changes since her 1st dose & is no longer wanting to have her 2nd dose. There is no warning of these changes & our doctor just googled it in front of us.
Dr. Tim, can you please help me understand what is the scientific relevance of the number of daily new cases? Are they doing the same amount of testing everywhere? Are these tests just people randomly going in? I can't figure out what # of cases means if the number drops just because they reduce or stop testing. It just seems this stat can never be reliable.
@anonymous one The worst thing is that many deaths have wrongly been attributed to covid, merely on the basis of those tests, the death certificate won't say "Died of stage 4 cancer" or died "WITH covid" they will say "died of covid" doctor and nurses have been openly coming forward with this information. One thing they is a certainty, when more start suffering from vaccination side effects, they will be held accountable for their actions, in this life or the next.
@anonymous one That issue has been completely debunked, as we also measure prevalence and / or positivity. Neither of which are impacted by the factors you mention.
I think we always knew that the vaccine would "wear off". But what does that mean for travel rules and exemption from isolation as a contact when you're double vaccinated? Will a rule come in that it no longer ligner applies after 6months? I wouldn't be eligible for a booster. Not sure where that leaves the vast majority of us.
It leaves the vast majority with a spike protein ,! Still able to be infected and still requiring an expensive COVID test and quarantine . Really you can’t imagine that your going to flash your card or phone and get a free ride tests and hotel quarantine are expensive follow the money and there’s your answer
They do not have a clue. The WHO is virtually a dysfunctional political rabble and the scientists use algorithms to decide what course the virus is going to take. We need Victorian commonsense and mental stability to get through this. The logical answer and it will not happen. A fully functional Covid test 24 hours before flying together with a temperature check. Then a further temperature check before checking in. They would be the only way of substantially reducing risk in flying or for that matter cruises. Nevertheless, cruising is a bit like living on a battery farm so hugely higher risk than flying!
Thanks to all the team at Zoe. As a Livestock farmer ( don't laugh!) We are regularly vaccinating cattle against respiratory viruses. Our understanding is that a vaccinated animal that had viral challenge has better and more durable immunity. Does this apply to COVID?
Sure, is often does. BUT to aquire that "better more durable immunity" by infection risks disease or death. And the name of the game is _avoid_ the risk of serious disease, loss of production, loss of stock etc.
Lana- lu , thanks for your comment. My typo has probably created confusion; my point is that we aim to vaccinate before a viral challenge , typically just before bringing cattle into barns from pasture ( worse ventilation) which normally coincides with wetter weather in UK ( better conditions for virus survival). My point is , that for healthy individuals who have had an effective vaccine programme , it is better to face the viral challenge soon after vaccination , and in summer; than to be locked down and then face it as immunity wanes , say at 6 months plus ? I'm not proposing that we are reckless and put others at risk as well; but simply allow the vaccines to do their job .
@Gregory Jones you're confusing some terms. - Only what is called passive vaccines "give immunity" eg the monoclonal treatments. - All other active vaccines are used to prompt the human/ animal to develop immunity to the pathogen which that vaccine is designed for. - Vaccines almost never block infection- a virus can land in your nose, infect a few cells maybe you feel symptoms, maybe not. Being infected is to the same as getting the disease ie becoming ill _because_ of that pathogen. - All human vaccines have to be tested on animal models first.
@@robingarvin-mack see here you are on another comment giving out wrong information. Stop answering questions you think you know because you read a medical study or watched a video. I asked a legitimate question and you filled my question with total nonsense. Just stop. Like you told someone on another board to not pay their tickets!! You don’t do that NO NO NO!!
@@robingarvin-mack of course I watched and know what r naught is. You are not answering questions that ppl are asking. Your answers are too simplistic and naive!! Please stop. You are not qualified!
@@Suehuskins I am done with you. I have never claimed to be _'qualified...'_ simply well-read and knowledgeable... and your comments and attacks directed at me only serve to prove that you are even less qualified than you accuse me of being, which means that you are in no position to judge the merit or otherwise in them. *_R_*
Thank you Tim. Very informative as ever. What is your view on vaccinating the under 18s? I know a lot has been talked about children/teenagers exhibiting mild symptoms; but is much known about adverse long term respiratory issues in this demographic group, which could impact their quality of life and burden the NHS in years to come?
>but is much known about adverse long term respiratory issues in this demographic group, which could impact their quality of life and burden the NHS in years to come? Not really, no. Unfortunately, "long covid" occurs in something like ~10-33% of unvaccinated, infected people. The % differs depending on the definition users for long covid. The rough numbers for % chance of long covid in fully vaxed, never-been-previously-infected patients (specifically 2 doses, not J&J) is something like ~2-12%, again depending on which study you're reading, what their specific definition of "long covid" is, and particularly which variant was dominant during the study period. The vast majority of observational data on this long covid topic is from pre-Delta variant times as well, particularly the UK/Alpha variant. This data is so sparse/pre-Delta as it is. It's even less useful for determining long covid rates in specific age groups e.g. the under 18s.
Spare a thought for the 23 year old footballer from Ireland who died from side effects of the jab. RIP Roy Butler. Shame as in that age range would have survived covid easily as over 95%of us would
@@someoneusa let's all get slim. That cuts serious risk by 50%. Talking of which, instead of the government's idea of a sugar tax, surely to make fruit and vegetables a damn sight cheaper would be a far better solution
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc Easy enough not to eat sugar. And add veggies. I grew up in poverty and raised vegetarian. Whole foods, home cooked. My parents educated 6 kids on nutrition, toxins, the environment, you name it. We are all fit. It's not hard, just gotta prioritize your health, the information is easy to access. Fasting is not only free, it saves money and heals the body. Fasting will reduce cravings and make it easier to stay on track and lose bad habits. Use the saved money for better food. I'll be 50 in Sept, my body is all muscle. The only thing holding anyone back is themselves. Being healthy and fit is the best security, feels great. Good luck.
Most people around me are behaving as if Covid has gone away. The village WI (mostly retired women) haven’t worn a mask in meetings for a while and are busy car sharing to go out for meals. I’m still avoiding most shops, but the post office I use for my business still has a mask mandate and I’ve only seen a few violations of that.
You carry on because covid19 is NEVER going away. Which means you’ll live a life of fear and irrational risk avoidance. And then you’ll die anyway at some point like everyone else. Have a nice day.
@@alexwestworth6962 If you are clinically vulnerable then the fear is not irrational. And very few people who are at risk want to throw their lives away.
@@simonfernandes6809 if you’re clinically vulnerable then you’re more at risk. Obviously. That doesn’t mean everyone else must live in fear and protect others. People are responsible for their own health. Indeed, why are they vulnerable? Obesity? Type 2 diabetes? Heart and lung problems due to smoking?
@@alexwestworth6962 In my case I have severe Asthma through no fault of my own. So, you should probably shelve those assumptions of yours. Also, what is this fear you're talking about? It's not fear, it's educated risk management.
Prof. Spector just less than 2 months ago you were saying that vaccination immunity was superior to natural immunity. Perhaps you should admit you were wrong? Perhaps the UK government should allow people that have been infected to travel to Amber countries without quarantining? Perhaps it is the vaccine certificate that should last 6 months and the natural immunity last (at least) a year? Why do we keep doing everything the other way around?
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Cut from Covid truths by Dr. Samuel White.
@@Hickalum yes, good old mother nature. Immunity that can recognise the whole of the virus and not just a tiny bit of the spike protein. Problem is, it's FREE. Pfizer alone has predicted sales revenue of $33 BBillion from covid vaccines and boosters. Better than a few Beecham's Powders or boxes of Lem Sip. This must rate as the most successful marketing campaign in the history of the world.
Vaccine passports shouldn't be a thing boath national an vaccine immunity activate memory b cells mechanism no need for boosters unless unless immune compromised an the damage caused in the hours it takes to wake up immune system to become active again would be to mutch for that individual.
Agree , I had it a year ago , no vax and have been in a household twice with symptomatic people and never got a sniffle , i did the a Tspot test and have T cell immunity yet I can’t travel , won’t be able to go to any main events and no doubt that will be expanded as in France to include most retail and social events . It feels like the walls are closing in on me and will be confined to my house by next year . I can’t have the vaccine because my insurer for work won’t cover me because of previous anaphylaxis. Feel like a second class citizen .
To correct a slight inaccuracy in Tim's presentation, most Scottish schools went back last week, so UK figures include impact of Scottish schools going back, albeit Scotland contributes just ~10% of UK population. In the last week, the Scottish Daily NHS infection rate has increased.
Welcome back, Professor; and very pleased that you had a good holiday in Spain. Surely you’re not suggesting that the government should follow the science when it comes to the day 2 PCR tests? How else would their cronies continue to make a tidy profit off of this?!
Didn’t the FT report that two major investors (Soros and Gates?) had bought a testing company? Looks like the money is on this continuing for a long long time.
@@chrisberry7712 You cannot really hold up gates and soros as experts in the field of medicine.They have just basically purchased Mologics in the UK,one of the developers of pregnancy tests and more recently LF tests. This all happened as the US CDC announced the banning of the use of PCR and LF tests as they cannot detect the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza. That was already a known fact and now also throws up the the obvious question of what illness people have been suffering from. Now we also have the UK government removing approval from a lot of the testing in the UK.A lot of that could be because some of them are corrupt of course. Therefore I detect no cynicism just actual facts.
How am I meant to keep blogging fi the most recent update of the covid symptoms study app has made it inaccessible for people who are blind? I can’t blog on it anymore, which is very disappointing. It's also very worrying that people with no sight can no longer use this app meaning a section of the UK community are not being missed in the study of covid's effects.
Seems to me that the UK's stubborn plateauing of cases could be directly related to the ending of non-pharmaceutical mitigation, such as masking and distancing, by the govt in July. The graph shows other European nations having steady declines in the same period.
If the NPI's were that effective you'd expect a steep increase? I suspect it's more to do with fatigue and people not bothering to get tested, which is fine.
No contact testing or isolation for children (Scotland) is a bit of a worry for those of us reliant on older family members for after school childcare and support. Seems inevitable that infection will spread to older age groups. Hope the vaccines continue to protect them.
I believe maybe it might: 1) 25% of all reported "hospitalisations" were tested routinely after having been admitted for something completely unrelated - neither they nor their doctors had any idea they had Covid in their system. and 2) A high proportion of the "genuine" hospitalisations are not due to the severity of their symptoms - they are more related to the fear and panic when they test positive and are just in for observation - for mental health reasons. They are quickly discharged again once they calm down and are reassured that they're not going to die from it.
I’m unvaccinated and got a very bad dose of Covid I had terrible chest infection and I’m in my late 50s however I didn’t need hospital I’m here to tell the tale. I was wondering the same as I’m still not convinced about these vaccines my husband has had two with the second one his arm is really bad he had it a few months back it isn’t getting better he’s very upset as it interferes with his work as has to hold a lot of heavy machinery at times as he’s an engineer
So if a negative test result allows a vaccinated person to not have to self-isolate, why isn't the same true for an unvaccinated? Seeing as in both cases they can develop symptoms after a while? It's the same with flying back to UK. Why does a vaccinated person only need one test but unvaccinated needs two (or three)?
It seems to me vaccinated ppl are more ‘dangerous’ than unvaccinated … most of them seem to think they can’t catch Covid, nor pass it on after the double jab … so when they get ill they ignore it and assume it’s just a cold. You can’t blame them really … after all, what was the point getting jabbed ???
Welcome home Tim. Lovely to have you back. Really worrying about the wane of infections after 4 months of being double vaccinated. I'm hoping that doesn't mean the decrease of protection from serious complications from this disease 🙏
Of cause it does........ Your booster will be on its way.... Year after year after year..... This was the plan from the beginning...... Wake up everyone ... Here is an honest video about the effectiveness of the vaccines are. This highlights the lies you have been blindly believing. th-cam.com/video/TtFapXG1zbo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Dr.SuneelDhand-MedStoicLifestyleMedicine Go here to find information you will not see on the mainstream media everythingcovid.wordpress.com/
@@garyfumeaux9226 I don't mind getting a booster year after year after year. Will be helpful if they target the variants. I,ve had the flu jab every year for decades due to my asthma & I haven't turned into a 🐒 or a 🐔 yet.. I was taking Ranitidine for decades. That got recalled a year ago due to carcinogen levels. Subsequently, my arrithymia has declined too since I stopped taking it. Any new drug or even old drug or vaccine that comes on the market has small risks but the scientists weigh those against the gains. If you have a look at a paracetamol label you'll see lots of warnings but people still take them if they have a headache. The amount of people who die from covid wishing they'd listened to the advice to get they're vaccine is growing. Whomever wants to take that risk, feel free. Personally, I'm happy to take it whenever the science deems fit.. Nobody else could dissuade me. Not sure what your link was. I don't click on them due to cybercrime. Thanks for taking the time to reply though, whether it was ill intentioned or not
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc Layla, I respect your decision as we all need to take personal responsibility for our health even if it involves choosing drugs that have fewer side effects... Personally, I choose the more non-traditional strategies..... It is hard for most to decipher truth from fiction... I wish you all the best ...
Tim is wrong about Israel's vaccination rate, it's not "most", it's 59.9% double vaccinated. He should be looking at the death rate for Spain which are 63% double vaxed.
he did look at the death rate for spain, it was low. the interesting data points out of israel is 1. when most of the population were vaccinated (January) and 2. how close the two shots were (3 weeks). Not only does the vaccine wane over time, but it appears the three week window is not great for stimulating the best immune response.
I follow this each week - but why is there no comment on the considerably lower cases (etc) in Germany and Italy compared with UK & Spain? Sure given the close proximity and accessible information this difference needs an explanation.
I've heard that we're (UK) testing more than the rest of Europe combined. In a lot of European countries, you only get tested when you have symptoms...
Partly different testing regimes, partly different human behaviour, geography, demography etc etc. But it is certainly remarkable, especially Italy which has charted a similar course to the UK (at different times) until now. Germany has kept rates etc low throughout.
My teenage son has tested positive on a fit to fly test ; absolutely no symptoms! He has only been to swimming pool and not mixed with any friends, worn his mask etc. He’s now given it to his sister, although his brother ( whom he shares a room with) remains negative! Neither child has any symptoms. My partner and I are fully vaccinated and remain negative so far . If we hadn’t been tested for flying we would not have known.
Now you are beginning get some real-world perspective on this thing. Just because the BBC told you “death is knocking on your door”, doesn’t mean it’s true.
Unfortunately we have confirmed what we already know, Coronavirus vaccines do not work, despite the decades of effort. But then, the manufacturers never claimed they did anything other that “possibly” reduce symptoms…..
Israel vaccination rate is between 60 - 65% I believe. Not sure what their data shows in terms of vaccinated/unvaccinated death rates. Also new Oxford study shows that if as a vaccinated person you get re-infected you will be as infectious as if you had not been vaccinated.
When I ask how long vaccines protect us for, I get vague responses, experts don't seem to know. I had my second AZ jab in mid-June, seems silly not to know when it will wear off (?) I don't relish being vaccinated every few months just in case! Despite having taken the jab I am quite vaccine hesitant esp over possible effects long term. Btw, question: what are the key symptoms for an unvaccinated person infected with the delta variant?
I am also phobic of needles. The reason they don't know how long the immunity lasts (via infection or via vaccination) is that there simply has not been enough time passed. We are all waiting for that info. On the bright side, immunologists and virologists I follow do not seem to think "we" need boosters- that it is being over cautious in offering them to more immunosuppressed people "just in case" until we do have more data. Also on the bright side there aren't really any long term side effects of vaccines. Side effects occur within 6 weeks after vaccination and this "long term" spin has been used by pseudo science antivaxxers to spook people. I would personally be much more concerned about long term effects of covid or what happens to the virus that does not clear from the body after infection.
Hi, I can understand your hesitation but really well done...that vax will save your body from permanent injury from Covid itself.....having had severe covid twice I am very effected + will never recover fully...
@@celiad6012 given that people tested after SARS still had protection more than ten years later, why assume something completely different for this virus?
We have 4 grandchildren in Glasgow all under 4 (3 families). The grandchildren go to 3 different nurseries and have all had heavy cold like infections recently some twice (not covid). Clearly several viruses are happily circulating in these nurseries. Either much better infection prevention is required or nurseries will have to close again as covid cases rise. The economic effects of ongoing covid will be even worse than they have been unless the pandemic is much more effectively dealt with not to mention our personal increasing risk of hospitalization as immunity wanes
let the government pay mums to stay at home and children will be happier and mums to. If children would be around their mother their mental wellbeing would be far higher and the coughs and sneezes would be absent especially if mums would walk into open air and play with their children in stead of gazing at their dumb phones. They could interact with other mums and children could develop healthy air and physical challenges in playground and interaction with nature. Of coars this would mean less psychologist would have a job treating adults and juniors with depression, anxiety and other disorders.
Thanks for your update Prof Spector - and hope you had a great holiday. **keep an eye on Switzerland - only 50% fully vaccinated here and we only got 3-4 weeks between Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Cases are exponential at this time - ironic for one of the wealthiest countries…all measures are relaxed, apart from mask wearing inside public places. Very worrying. Kids have just gone back to school. No health checks on any parent school events like 20 person indoor parent evenings and a 200 parent kids teachers school opening day!! Of course, we’ve politely had to opt out…but, concerning picture growing in CH. Frustrating with so many not understanding…thanks again for all the work you’re doing…
We're at this weird stage in the pandemic where it feels like everyone's pretending we're OK whilst quietly suspecting we're probably not. There are lots of countries we never seem to hear a thing about so its interesting to learn about the situation in Switzerland.
@@mousemaing81 hardly any - but it isn’t the deaths that is concerning, it is Long Covid. Some of my athlete friends are debilitated…Ironman champion relegated to a 10km bike ride, if that! Mind you, she caught Covid before being vaccinated. However, as you may know from listening to Tim, you can still get Long Covid if vaccinated. 5% chance (95% chance you don’t get it), so a small chance. But the risk is there. That having been said, isn’t there a 5% risk of not fully recovering from any virus?…so perhaps I’m indeed being a little over cautious…
Please also refer to what the ONS data says, as on the Financial Times graphs. Based on that data, there's no way you could say that the number of cases is steady. By all means quote the ZOE data, but also show what the ONS data says, and point out the difference.
Can you not lobby the govt before schools go back, Tim?. We are completely out of step with europe and USA with our lack of mitigation in schools and this does not bode well. If you raise a petition to educate parents about the correct symptoms and change the criteria for being tested free, I would sign it.
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc me too... I emailed my schools headmaster. They still send the PHE advice (on who should get a test and when) which is poor, and only lists the three "classic" symptoms, and actually tells parents if kids have a runny nose they are fine to come to school.....
See the data from Israel. In the UK see PHE SarsCov2 Variants of concern technical briefing 19. Check the deaths of the double vaccinated against the unvaccinated.
That won’t tell you anything … The double jab doesn’t make you immortal … The very oldest were jabbed first and they will all end up in hospital eventually. And there is a good chance they will catch Covid while they are there.
Probably just pure luck and lack of testing. There are ~4-8k tests per day, including the privately funded ones needed for example for travelling purposes. Also, if you check the numbers started increasing again a few days ago which will probably be boosted by the high number of vacations abroad, mainly in Croatia, the bank holiday of August 20 with large, government organized crowd events and the opening of schools on September 1.
tbf he included Israel … The first county to jab kids and the first to mandate vax certificates for practically everything … That’s proving a great success … 😬
The incidence graph of new cases per 100K looks logical. But the number of new cases listed to the right seems illogical - why would there be 13,604 new cases in fully vaccinated category and only 6,508 in partially vaccinated. Can this be explained? Their numerical order does not agree with the order shown in the graph. Thanks for your explanations.
The people wont see.... Its very sad. But worrying as everyone unjabbed will be blamed too. Everything but the truth will be scapegoated.and not ine of these people will point the finger where it belongs....at the dicktraitors, and themselves
Question for Tim & the team please: The hospitalisation and deaths graphs show a fall in number of infections and hospitalisations, but not an associated fall in number of deaths. This could be due to the infection numbers coming from a different dataset (Zoe, whilst the other two are UK Gov), but are you / should we be concerned about this possible decoupling? (This was too long for the Slido word count!) Thanks for the research and the updates.
True. I have been double vaccinated and just gone down with Covid, but it's no big deal. My symptoms are relatively minor and nothing like the horror stories we were hearing at the beginning of the pandemic.
@Will R Thomson you body produces IgA that protects mucus membranes after i.m. vaccination. Most vaccines work without providing sterilizing immunity at the mucosal surface. Besides that, the virus doesnt usually stay in your nose/ throat - it is a systemic infection and systemic antibodies protect us. We would like oral vaccines because lots of people hate needles, not because it is going to provide better protection.
Watching from the States, I appreciate everyone who is involved, in any way, to keep me updated on the latest findings. Love getting a rational presentation, that expects the viewer has living brain cells.
Dear Roberta, here's an old adage of caution: ' bullshit baffles brains' or as Orwell put it, some things are so unreal/untrue that only intellectuals would believe them.
You can’t go wrong with brain cells ;)
@@guidotriumvirate1528
Dear Guido
That same adage can be applied to any perspective.......
@@rogerstarkey5390 but of course, hence the eternal need for skepticism in science. Never 'just believe' because it's a metaphorical "white coat" Always question more.
Great comment there Roberta
Mate the lack of therapy research or discussion is just disgraceful. Focussing purely on vaccines is just so short sighted we need a multimodal approach. As a former immunology and genetics researcher I am very disappointed as this virus will continue mutating we need treatments not just vaccines.
We have treatments … but they are very cheap so they have been banned, even made illegal in some countries.
The UK has COVID-19 Therapeutics Taskforce looking at this
@@Hickalum You mean like Dexamethasone which we use
@@joycejnn useless. Give us access to Iver ivermectin so I can treat my family. My wife is double jabbed, healthy and sicker than me and the two boys who aren't jabbed. Day 1 of isolation:)
We have so many treatments! PUBMED is full of data in regards to them. Diet, exercise, vitd, zinc, quercitin, ivermectin, low stress... Just to name a few. Get rid of obesity, adios severe illness from this.
Welcome back Prof Tim , Good to have you back and a Big Thank you for all your great work and updates.
You had more tan before you went to Spain 🤔
@@seanblackburne noone gives a F..k about his tan....he seems oblivious to this.....
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Rust?
Welcome back Prof Spector. Shocking how much profit is made on the test kits when travelling overseas! .... Rather concerning that Israel rates are so high, and with deaths - interesting that it may be due to them having the 2nd vaccine earlier. Looking forward to your webinar next week to hear more on the effectiveness of the vaccine. Thank you and your Team for your hard work to date,,it is SO appreciated.
They made a lot of money out of this pandemic.
@@Shaun_Smith23 I'd love your take on what it is?
The NHS was only awarded 1 government contract out of all the health contracts on offer during the pandemic. This was the vaccine rollout. They kept to timeline and delivered successfully, which goes to show that WHEN funded properly the NHS can perform. Receiving 4% less funding year on year is going to cause issues, and mean they have no immediate back up for situations like this.
If you want the NHS gone. Then consider the funded private contracts and how they went?
The track and trace app
Testing
Lunchboxes for kids
Food parcels for vulnerable
A vast profit was skimmed from these contracts with the end products being poor.
If you are one of those blaming the NHS for the decision which PHE made (discharging elderly back to nursing home.) Then just stop.
If you are one of those talking about cancer patients. Then also I'd ask what you would have done? Bring patients who have a low immune systems into a hospital with an infectious disease. A disease for which there was no test, nor PPE.
What the NHS did was send the most clinically at risk to have their chemo at satellite centres (away from hospitals.) They could've used the resources of private hospitals for this also. However, they closed. Because with extra costs of PPE, testing etc 'healthcare wasn't profitable' , so they closed.
Without the government funding the building of new hospitals (instead of closing them) as the population grows, it can only go one way.
@al1970able only an imbecile would not take COVID seriously (ahem Boris Johnson.)
Maybe an individual's risk of death is low. However, there is enough of a vulnerable population to render the healthcare service full. Also potential for more serious mutations. And the disablement of 1 in 6 through Long COVID. If a person doesn't take that seriously. Well...
@@Shaun_Smith23 please think about where your information is from and who has influenced it.
Take a look at the US system. It is no different. Except that you PAY for someone who may or may not know what they are doing. People with severe cancers there are being pushed down wait lists, ignored, and misdiagnosed. I know the NHS is not perfect. However the Americans pay more to their government than we do AND have to pay for their own healthcare on top of this. This is truly something we do not want to lose. The attitudes and plain false claims I see on the internet will only assist the (gov) wealthy people who want to privatise the NHS.
Think about what you say, what the alternative will look like. This came up on my time line randomly. A person in the US's experience of having cancer.
th-cam.com/video/3E75UvmY9GA/w-d-xo.html
We've probably lost much more. @@muhammadalieesaa3379
As always your updates are eagerly awaited and the information you provide is appreciated.
The Webinars always provide additional information which is also appreciated.
Thank you to everyone involved in collecting and collating this data and to Tim for presenting it to us
Speak for yourself, this vain old bugger seems more interested in giving an account of his jollies than anything else?
Thank you for our weekly update.
All the work you are doing on our behalf is as always greatly appreciated. Thank you
Thank you for keeping us updated and welcome back.
It's been great to see some of your colleagues, but equally great to have you back Professor.
Thank you Tim and Zoe for all your work.
Fantastic work. We will still need your guidance and sound advice going forward. Much appreciated.
I hope that Tim had a good break, thank you and team Zoe for our regular updates. 👍☮️
What more lies
Here is an honest video about the effectiveness of the vaccines are. This highlights the lies you have been blindly believing. th-cam.com/video/TtFapXG1zbo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Dr.SuneelDhand-MedStoicLifestyleMedicine
Go here to find information you will not see on the mainstream media everythingcovid.wordpress.com/
@@garyfumeaux9226 Absolutely, the goal has always been to get as many of these poisons into people as possible! Covid? well, it is just a manufactured panic to achieve that goal.
Thanks for the clarity even though the news is not all good. Very helpful to have explicit data for Scotland Wales and NI too
For the past 27 weeks I've been keeping a record of the death numbers from the Yellow Card reporting system. 37 people in the last 7 days died taking the total up to 1,596. We need to know more about these people. Their age, their state of health before the jab etc. etc. Surely most of the jabs being given now are not to the frail and elderly but to younger, stronger people ?
So it appears to me there may be a pretty tricky situation just around the corner for grandparents involved with any regular childcare. Our vaccine effectiveness is about to start waning just at the time of year when the kids start bringing home the viruses.
There’s already a tricky situation for grandparents, and anybody who is vulnerable … A lot of ppl think they can’t catch Covid, or pass it on, if they have had the jab. So when they get mild symptoms they don’t change their behaviour.
It seems to me the vaccinated are now more ‘dangerous’ than the unvaccinated.
@@Hickalum Not if people continue to follow received advice, ie social distance, masks where appropriate and self isolation if you have symptoms, however mild.
As has been the case throughout this pandemic, if people actually follow advice, outcomes will be better.
@@Hickalum Not what I see at all. People are generally acting pretty responsibly but the back to school situation is out of all our hands.
@@garyfumeaux9226 Did you actually listen and comprehend what Dr Dhand is saying?
Clearly not as he supports the use of booster vaccinations, especially in vulnerable groups.
He clearly states, as do the ZOE team, that the effect of the vaccine wanes over time and that boosters will be required.
At no point does he say the vaccines "Don't Work", he simpoly points out that covid-19 is going to be an endemic virus, and that by it's nature will mutate (like influenza), meaning that ongoing annual vaccination will be required to keep it under control.
So, Mr Genius, what do YOU suggest is the answer?
@@angrygromit93 Early treatments and intervention should be what is next explored. If the vaccines wane after four months we are literally back to square one now and then there will be pressure on the whole country yet again to get a vaccine. This is not the golden bullet as was promoted and the focus needs to change.
Thanks Tim and Zoe, great data and science, as always 👍🏼😊
Except the science is only relevant to accurate data! The way that covid cases and deaths have been fraudulently recorded and are insanely inaccurate due to the test methods, well it rather makes the science bollocks.
Thank you everyone for watching! Sign up to our upcoming vaccines webinar here: covid.joinzoe.com/webinar/vaccines-are-they-working
Sections:
00:00 - Intro
2:17 - This week's numbers
4:48- Hospitalisations & deaths
6:46 - International picture
9:00 - Vaccine protection waning
10:25 - Key symptoms in the vaccinated
Good morning Professor Spector! Welcome home. Nice tan 😊.. always good to hear the latest updates from the team@Zoe
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Where did he get the previous tan? No worrying about sun/skin damage then😭 Will never understand the British obsession with heat/sun & getting tans, you come back from holiday after 1-2 weeks & tan fades😩
Clear, direct and compelling, as always. Well done to the whole Zoe team.
I really don't find it compelling? you need to get out more, hahaha.
… something to consider about fitter people getting Long Covid…from a lifetime in sport and exercise, I’ve observed many recreational athletes coming back to fitness or endurance, way too quickly after flu and chest infections and not fully rebound…I’ve seen some with having had Covid, coming back immediately to marathon distances etc…I think coming back to fitness regimes needs utmost caution in view of Long Covid! Something to consider…
Good point!
If people could sit still long enough and really listen to their bodies whenever they get anything, they would not go on with long covid and transfer illnesses. We are all in a rat race and believe we need to keep "doing"!!
Thank you always for a very balanced view from the very start...you are all so much appreciated and valued.
Hes about as balanced as a one legged man.
Do you have any data on waning vaccine protection against severe illness over time?
Based on every bit of research ZOE and people like John Campbell have looked at, nothing of that sort has been observed - yet, at least. Protection against hospitalisation and against death remains exactly the same according to studies in Israel and elsewhere, even when the likelihood of actually catching covid rises.
@@surfmadpig I agree that that’s what I’ve seen from other sources, just not from ZOE unless I’ve missed it and I guess that’s the important thing, although slightly disappointing anyway.
@@Davetouring I’ll take it if it means I won’t be in the hospital gasping like a fish out of water.
@@amiesparkle00 absolutely agree
Nope... but I think you're ready for another jab. Give me your arm. 💉💰
Many thanks for all that you and your team do to keep us informed mainly independently from the Gov’t. 👏👏 Would be very interesting to know UK deaths by percentage age group please.
Thanks Tim. Lovely to have you back.
Thank you for this .
9:25 - are those numbers on efficacy corrected by age? Without correction by age I think efficacy figures can be very misleading, definitely for Israel and probably for the UK, because vaccination rate correlates with age but so does risk of disease. So you get Simpson's paradox. See Jeffrey Morris's explanation of this on the Covid-19 Data Science blog.
www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated
@@mellowmarkable excellent link thanks!
I am reporting from what used to be Forest Heath in West Suffolk. It has now become West Suffolk, a much larger area so I no longer get meaningful local figures and don’t know how deal with this as I haven’t physically moved house and the app doesn’t ask appropriate question. Please can you help? Thank you and the team for keeping us updated, so very much appreciated.
Welcome back and thank you for the latest update.
I was particularly pleased to see graph 2 where you included a comparison of the Zoe figures with those of the government. That is what I requested following last week's update.
Welcome back! Happy to see ya well rested and good looking. Thank you for the update. Great, as always
The only man to go abroad and come back less tanned
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Plums out
I thought that - was it too hot to stay outside for long in Spain??
Thanks Robert 👍🏻, the first good laugh I've had all this miserable day - I needed that!😄
I was baffled too! It must be an optical illusion caused by the lighting, as Tim assured us he did indeed top up the tan!
Government keep up with science advice?? When did they ever take any?
Covid average mortality age is 83 years of age. It’s all everyone needs to know. 80 years without covid.
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Yep that and masks and social distancing are pointless
Eric Bown Media average focus, whatever craps its viewers and readers most, guaranteeing sales of their product.
Remember the images that came out of China? People were falling over in the street and dying. How naive we all were.
@@DropdudeJohn Absolutely, why when the narrative is your selfish for not getting the vaccine are developed countries with supposed good healthcare not prioritising the old etc and sending vaccines to countries that don’t have vaccines for auto immune deficient age groups. Because it’s about coercion and manipulation. The narrative would implode with its own lies.
Great to have you back Tim ,a well deserved holiday in Spain 🇪🇸😀
Nice to see how your vaccines worked out....
Leave the kids alone,the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission,what's so hard to understand??????
How about addressing the elephant in the room?
Repurposed medicines which are being used as alternatives or in conjunction with vaccinations.
More and more physicians are using and/or prescribing them, because they work.
I’m double-vaxxed but really can’t be bothered to travel abroad for a second year, given all of the hurdles and costs put in place. Disappointing really.
Me too, the testing, the risk of being sent to a not very nice quarantine hotel in Spain and the risk of being ill or very ill while abroad and trying to make yourself understood in a foreign language (English) to Spanish doctors would make it difficult to actually relax and enjoy the holiday. However beginning to wonder if I will ever travel abroad ever again and that makes me sad.
Had email to apply for an antibody test kit. Used link but did not work on gov.uk. Phoned and had to register which took about half an hour. Then got text with code to receive kit again website did not work. Phoned 119 and they could not enter my code and told to register again. This took another 45 minutes and gave up. What a shambles over to me a simple request.
They probably don't want that info out yet?
Thanks Tim much appreciated 👍
Very helpful indeed, thank you to all your team for their great work and honest evidence based appraisal.
i am fully vaccinated and i got covid few days ago, i would have no idea i have it if i did not do a random PCR test.
EDIT: I did ANOTHER test yesterday and it came negative. I am confused
Isn't this the whole madness? You only know you've got covid because you had a test....
Now imagine how many people don’t get tested and have covid while fully vaccinated and spread it to around freely…. This is a disaster…
@@milenalm5288 most people get no symptoms, or only very mild symptoms. We have the vaccine now which also vastly reduces the number of people who get seriously ill. Time to stop testing, stop over analyzing every rise or fall in the numbers. We don't do this with flu, or the cold viruses or the countless other viruses that can make us sick.
My son 21 , 1 jab got covid and passed it on to (even though we isolated him in the top end of the house) myself,52 hubby 55 both double vaccinated and youngest 16 unvaccinated. 3 of us were pretty ill for 10 day full days so I dispute its like a cold , still have no taste/smell. My youngest unvaccinated only had high temperature. My faith in all the advice is seriously waning.
@@buleberryjam177gaming7 yea i dont know what to believe
8:52 this is really worrying. High vaccination yet high death rate in Israel? makes no sense
Makes lots of sense, the jabs don't work just like every other time they have tried and failed to develop Coronavirus vaccines.
As Tim said, it may make sense, because in Israel the recommended 12 weeks between vaccinations was not observed
The figures are basically BS, as are attested by the 25% taken off the BS death rate during the height of the scamdemic. Notice not one person bangs the the drum about Covid mortality rate Ie 82.7 years of age…it’s that simple.
@@dianajeater984
Always excuses for these ineffective jabs.
Are u in Israel? I've not seen much news from Israel?
Always appreciate your information. Thank you.
Once I noticed your shirt was buttoned up wrong, that’s all I could see! However, thanks for the updates!
Lucky his flies were not undone then. 🙂
Thank you Tim, for these videos which are invaluable to us. Looking forward to seeing the webinar next week.
Thank you to you and the Zoe team
Is your chart on the waning of the effectiveness against infection adjusted for the fact that both vaccines are less effective against Delta? If not then some of that drop in protection could be from Delta coming into play. Could the waning level off and stabilise?
he is reading from a script.. he has no idea. do not beat him up.
@@prasiet1 it's not harsh. I was wondering that myself. Is it the vaccines are waning or is it that they are less effective against Delta. Since the first people vaxed were the elderly and those with comorbidities , even a relatively mild case of Delta after vaxing could be bad enough to make them very ill. A real conclusion can only be drawn 8 months after the healthier, younger people have been fully vaccinated .
@@evelynwoolston7 your absolutely correct the re infection is not so mild after the vaccine people I know who got reinfected after the vaccine had a nasty bout same the other way round . Not all because it is a very small percent that are hospitalised we know that we do need to keep an eye on it
@@prasiet1 if I had to make a video I would need to write down first what I wanted to say. If you have to give a talk on such a serious, life threatening subject as opposed to chatting gaily about your method of styling your hair, I'd say that a script was vital.
@@prasiet1 what script?
My partner has had terrible menstrual changes since her 1st dose & is no longer wanting to have her 2nd dose. There is no warning of these changes & our doctor just googled it in front of us.
cases remain similar, but deaths have plummeted. isn't that what counts?
100%
Good to see you. Hope you had a good break. Just finished 2 weeks of Zoe testing here in US
Why?
If vaccine protection is waning then how can the government insist on vaccine passports?
Because it's a way to coerce you into continually getting a booster jab.
Thanks for the update Tim. Glad you had a good hol
Dr. Tim, can you please help me understand what is the scientific relevance of the number of daily new cases? Are they doing the same amount of testing everywhere? Are these tests just people randomly going in? I can't figure out what # of cases means if the number drops just because they reduce or stop testing. It just seems this stat can never be reliable.
@anonymous one The worst thing is that many deaths have wrongly been attributed to covid, merely on the basis of those tests, the death certificate won't say "Died of stage 4 cancer" or died "WITH covid" they will say "died of covid" doctor and nurses have been openly coming forward with this information. One thing they is a certainty, when more start suffering from vaccination side effects, they will be held accountable for their actions, in this life or the next.
@anonymous one Also hasnt the CDC stopped using the PCR Tests?
Carousel of fraud.
Exactly. Amazing coincidence there was a steep drop in all uk regions immediately after so called freedom day.
@anonymous one That issue has been completely debunked, as we also measure prevalence and / or positivity. Neither of which are impacted by the factors you mention.
I think we always knew that the vaccine would "wear off". But what does that mean for travel rules and exemption from isolation as a contact when you're double vaccinated? Will a rule come in that it no longer ligner applies after 6months? I wouldn't be eligible for a booster. Not sure where that leaves the vast majority of us.
It leaves the vast majority with a spike protein ,! Still able to be infected and still requiring an expensive COVID test and quarantine . Really you can’t imagine that your going to flash your card or phone and get a free ride tests and hotel quarantine are expensive follow the money and there’s your answer
They do not have a clue. The WHO is virtually a dysfunctional political rabble and the scientists use algorithms to decide what course the virus is going to take. We need Victorian commonsense and mental stability to get through this. The logical answer and it will not happen. A fully functional Covid test 24 hours before flying together with a temperature check. Then a further temperature check before checking in. They would be the only way of substantially reducing risk in flying or for that matter cruises. Nevertheless, cruising is a bit like living on a battery farm so hugely higher risk than flying!
@@tonyrogers8758 myself and my husband have had covid and never had a temperature. Many adults I know who have had it, didn't get a temperature.
@@emmamichaelides7589 Interesting. All our hospitals are taking temp checks. So they could possibly be a waste of time for some?
@@emmamichaelides7589 My son also had it with no temperature.
Thanks to all the team at Zoe. As a Livestock farmer ( don't laugh!) We are regularly vaccinating cattle against respiratory viruses. Our understanding is that a vaccinated animal that had viral challenge has better and more durable immunity. Does this apply to COVID?
Sure, is often does. BUT to aquire that "better more durable immunity" by infection risks disease or death. And the name of the game is _avoid_ the risk of serious disease, loss of production, loss of stock etc.
Lana- lu , thanks for your comment. My typo has probably created confusion; my point is that we aim to vaccinate before a viral challenge , typically just before bringing cattle into barns from pasture ( worse ventilation) which normally coincides with wetter weather in UK ( better conditions for virus survival). My point is , that for healthy individuals who have had an effective vaccine programme , it is better to face the viral challenge soon after vaccination , and in summer; than to be locked down and then face it as immunity wanes , say at 6 months plus ? I'm not proposing that we are reckless and put others at risk as well; but simply allow the vaccines to do their job .
@@adrianhares2573 you are absolutely right. And that's also the reason annual (human) flu vaccines are given in autumn.
@Gregory Jones you're confusing some terms.
- Only what is called passive vaccines "give immunity" eg the monoclonal treatments.
- All other active vaccines are used to prompt the human/ animal to develop immunity to the pathogen which that vaccine is designed for.
- Vaccines almost never block infection- a virus can land in your nose, infect a few cells maybe you feel symptoms, maybe not. Being infected is to the same as getting the disease ie becoming ill _because_ of that pathogen.
- All human vaccines have to be tested on animal models first.
How are you measuring waning immunity? Thanks and welcome back!
By the rising numbers of cases (over time) among those who have been double-jabbed.
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@@robingarvin-mack see here you are on another comment giving out wrong information. Stop answering questions you think you know because you read a medical study or watched a video. I asked a legitimate question and you filled my question with total nonsense. Just stop. Like you told someone on another board to not pay their tickets!! You don’t do that NO NO NO!!
@@Suehuskins Did you not watch the video? Or is it simply that you cannot translate Americaneze into proper English?
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@@robingarvin-mack of course I watched and know what r naught is. You are not answering questions that ppl are asking. Your answers are too simplistic and naive!! Please stop. You are not qualified!
@@Suehuskins I am done with you.
I have never claimed to be _'qualified...'_ simply well-read and knowledgeable... and your comments and attacks directed at me only serve to prove that you are even less qualified than you accuse me of being, which means that you are in no position to judge the merit or otherwise in them.
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Thank you Tim. Very informative as ever. What is your view on vaccinating the under 18s? I know a lot has been talked about children/teenagers exhibiting mild symptoms; but is much known about adverse long term respiratory issues in this demographic group, which could impact their quality of life and burden the NHS in years to come?
>but is much known about adverse long term respiratory issues in this demographic group, which could impact their quality of life and burden the NHS in years to come?
Not really, no. Unfortunately, "long covid" occurs in something like ~10-33% of unvaccinated, infected people. The % differs depending on the definition users for long covid. The rough numbers for % chance of long covid in fully vaxed, never-been-previously-infected patients (specifically 2 doses, not J&J) is something like ~2-12%, again depending on which study you're reading, what their specific definition of "long covid" is, and particularly which variant was dominant during the study period. The vast majority of observational data on this long covid topic is from pre-Delta variant times as well, particularly the UK/Alpha variant.
This data is so sparse/pre-Delta as it is. It's even less useful for determining long covid rates in specific age groups e.g. the under 18s.
Thankyou Tim.
Spare a thought for the 23 year old footballer from Ireland who died from side effects of the jab. RIP Roy Butler. Shame as in that age range would have survived covid easily as over 95%of us would
SEE THE DEFENDER CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENCE????????????????????????????
A rare occurrence.
Do you have statistics hospitalisations & deaths by age? Like cases statistics
Let’s face it …….. we’re all screwed 🤷🏻♂️
Don't drink. Don't smoke. Eat clean. Exercise. Not screwed.
@@someoneusa That doesn’t guarantee anything 🤷🏻♂️
@@AndyC2_ Yeah but having a functional immune system will make infections less likely across the board
@@someoneusa let's all get slim. That cuts serious risk by 50%. Talking of which, instead of the government's idea of a sugar tax, surely to make fruit and vegetables a damn sight cheaper would be a far better solution
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc Easy enough not to eat sugar. And add veggies. I grew up in poverty and raised vegetarian. Whole foods, home cooked. My parents educated 6 kids on nutrition, toxins, the environment, you name it. We are all fit. It's not hard, just gotta prioritize your health, the information is easy to access. Fasting is not only free, it saves money and heals the body. Fasting will reduce cravings and make it easier to stay on track and lose bad habits. Use the saved money for better food. I'll be 50 in Sept, my body is all muscle. The only thing holding anyone back is themselves. Being healthy and fit is the best security, feels great. Good luck.
Northern Ireland numbers are UP not down according to BBC NI and UTV
Most people around me are behaving as if Covid has gone away. The village WI (mostly retired women) haven’t worn a mask in meetings for a while and are busy car sharing to go out for meals. I’m still avoiding most shops, but the post office I use for my business still has a mask mandate and I’ve only seen a few violations of that.
You carry on because covid19 is NEVER going away. Which means you’ll live a life of fear and irrational risk avoidance.
And then you’ll die anyway at some point like everyone else. Have a nice day.
@@alexwestworth6962 If you are clinically vulnerable then the fear is not irrational. And very few people who are at risk want to throw their lives away.
@@simonfernandes6809 if you’re clinically vulnerable then you’re more at risk. Obviously.
That doesn’t mean everyone else must live in fear and protect others.
People are responsible for their own health. Indeed, why are they vulnerable? Obesity? Type 2 diabetes? Heart and lung problems due to smoking?
@@alexwestworth6962 In my case I have severe Asthma through no fault of my own. So, you should probably shelve those assumptions of yours. Also, what is this fear you're talking about? It's not fear, it's educated risk management.
It's up to vulnerable people to protect themselves, not us to protect you.
How is the 'waning' measured? By who and when as I've had no follow up tests? I had my 2nd Astra in May. So 3 months... What about T cell protection?
Prof. Spector just less than 2 months ago you were saying that vaccination immunity was superior to natural immunity. Perhaps you should admit you were wrong? Perhaps the UK government should allow people that have been infected to travel to Amber countries without quarantining? Perhaps it is the vaccine certificate that should last 6 months and the natural immunity last (at least) a year? Why do we keep doing everything the other way around?
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Cut from Covid truths by Dr. Samuel White.
People who caught SARS-CoV-1 are still immune to that 15 years later.
@@Hickalum yes, good old mother nature. Immunity that can recognise the whole of the virus and not just a tiny bit of the spike protein. Problem is, it's FREE. Pfizer alone has predicted sales revenue of $33 BBillion from covid vaccines and boosters. Better than a few Beecham's Powders or boxes of Lem Sip. This must rate as the most successful marketing campaign in the history of the world.
Vaccine passports shouldn't be a thing boath national an vaccine immunity activate memory b cells mechanism no need for boosters unless unless immune compromised an the damage caused in the hours it takes to wake up immune system to become active again would be to mutch for that individual.
Agree , I had it a year ago , no vax and have been in a household twice with symptomatic people and never got a sniffle , i did the a Tspot test and have T cell immunity yet I can’t travel , won’t be able to go to any main events and no doubt that will be expanded as in France to include most retail and social events . It feels like the walls are closing in on me and will be confined to my house by next year . I can’t have the vaccine because my insurer for work won’t cover me because of previous anaphylaxis. Feel like a second class citizen .
To correct a slight inaccuracy in Tim's presentation, most Scottish schools went back last week, so UK figures include impact of Scottish schools going back, albeit Scotland contributes just ~10% of UK population. In the last week, the Scottish Daily NHS infection rate has increased.
Welcome back, Professor; and very pleased that you had a good holiday in Spain.
Surely you’re not suggesting that the government should follow the science when it comes to the day 2 PCR tests? How else would their cronies continue to make a tidy profit off of this?!
Didn’t the FT report that two major investors (Soros and Gates?) had bought a testing company? Looks like the money is on this continuing for a long long time.
Do I detect a note of cynicism? I really ‘love’ folk who think that they know better than the experts in their field.
@@chrisberry7712 You cannot really hold up gates and soros as experts in the field of medicine.They have just basically purchased Mologics in the UK,one of the developers of pregnancy tests and more recently LF tests.
This all happened as the US CDC announced the banning of the use of PCR and LF tests as they cannot detect the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and influenza.
That was already a known fact and now also throws up the the obvious question of what illness people have been suffering from.
Now we also have the UK government removing approval from a lot of the testing in the UK.A lot of that could be because some of them are corrupt of course.
Therefore I detect no cynicism just actual facts.
How am I meant to keep blogging fi the most recent update of the covid symptoms study app has made it inaccessible for people who are blind? I can’t blog on it anymore, which is very disappointing. It's also very worrying that people with no sight can no longer use this app meaning a section of the UK community are not being missed in the study of covid's effects.
Sorry to hear this, this needs to be rectified.
Seems to me that the UK's stubborn plateauing of cases could be directly related to the ending of non-pharmaceutical mitigation, such as masking and distancing, by the govt in July. The graph shows other European nations having steady declines in the same period.
Notice he didn’t include Sweden in his comparison. I wonder why.
If the NPI's were that effective you'd expect a steep increase? I suspect it's more to do with fatigue and people not bothering to get tested, which is fine.
I agree.Also if masks were upgraded to N95(even if not expertly fitted) there would be a further reduction in transmission
@@rijamor In the very short-term, yes. Peggy is suggesting that long-term, the "fire" is running out of dry timber to burn through.
No contact testing or isolation for children (Scotland) is a bit of a worry for those of us reliant on older family members for after school childcare and support. Seems inevitable that infection will spread to older age groups. Hope the vaccines continue to protect them.
If the symptoms of those infected but vaccinated are mild then why are they in hospital with only ( mild ) symptoms ? Doesn't make sense ?
I believe maybe it might: 1) 25% of all reported "hospitalisations" were tested routinely after having been admitted for something completely unrelated - neither they nor their doctors had any idea they had Covid in their system. and 2) A high proportion of the "genuine" hospitalisations are not due to the severity of their symptoms - they are more related to the fear and panic when they test positive and are just in for observation - for mental health reasons. They are quickly discharged again once they calm down and are reassured that they're not going to die from it.
Good to have you back, you look refreshed after your holiday. You needed it.
What is the likelihood of people who already been infected getting it again?
I’m unvaccinated and got a very bad dose of Covid I had terrible chest infection and I’m in my late 50s however I didn’t need hospital I’m here to tell the tale. I was wondering the same as I’m still not convinced about these vaccines my husband has had two with the second one his arm is really bad he had it a few months back it isn’t getting better he’s very upset as it interferes with his work as has to hold a lot of heavy machinery at times as he’s an engineer
So if a negative test result allows a vaccinated person to not have to self-isolate, why isn't the same true for an unvaccinated? Seeing as in both cases they can develop symptoms after a while? It's the same with flying back to UK. Why does a vaccinated person only need one test but unvaccinated needs two (or three)?
It seems to me vaccinated ppl are more ‘dangerous’ than unvaccinated … most of them seem to think they can’t catch Covid, nor pass it on after the double jab … so when they get ill they ignore it and assume it’s just a cold.
You can’t blame them really … after all, what was the point getting jabbed ???
Is there any news on vaccines for the immune escape variants?
SEE THE DEFENDER CHILDREN'S HEALTH DERFENCE??????????????????????????
@@robertlesslar8584 What?
Why do we not speak about the REAL stats...you know.... the actually covid cases vs the covid "related " cases.???
Welcome home Tim. Lovely to have you back. Really worrying about the wane of infections after 4 months of being double vaccinated. I'm hoping that doesn't mean the decrease of protection from serious complications from this disease 🙏
Of cause it does........ Your booster will be on its way.... Year after year after year..... This was the plan from the beginning...... Wake up everyone ...
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@@garyfumeaux9226 I don't mind getting a booster year after year after year. Will be helpful if they target the variants. I,ve had the flu jab every year for decades due to my asthma & I haven't turned into a 🐒 or a 🐔 yet.. I was taking Ranitidine for decades. That got recalled a year ago due to carcinogen levels. Subsequently, my arrithymia has declined too since I stopped taking it. Any new drug or even old drug or vaccine that comes on the market has small risks but the scientists weigh those against the gains. If you have a look at a paracetamol label you'll see lots of warnings but people still take them if they have a headache. The amount of people who die from covid wishing they'd listened to the advice to get they're vaccine is growing. Whomever wants to take that risk, feel free. Personally, I'm happy to take it whenever the science deems fit.. Nobody else could dissuade me. Not sure what your link was. I don't click on them due to cybercrime. Thanks for taking the time to reply though, whether it was ill intentioned or not
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc Layla, I respect your decision as we all need to take personal responsibility for our health even if it involves choosing drugs that have fewer side effects... Personally, I choose the more non-traditional strategies..... It is hard for most to decipher truth from fiction... I wish you all the best ...
@@garyfumeaux9226 Thanks Gary. I wish you all the best too
One or two booster jabs per year.At your expense I guess as I doubt the gov will continue to give jabs for free for life?
Tim, just to say that kids in Scotland already started school on Thursday last week. At least it’s true for the East Dunbartonshire where we live.
Yes they were back 18th Aug and teachers on the 16 th in the Lothian region a week later for complex reasons!
@@risenshine2783 I'm awaiting my unvaccinated 15 year old bringing Covid home!
@@auntyjo1792 Yeah - its a worry isn't it?
@@essanjay8604 Not really, I’d be more worried about the devastation wrought on the young by their so called elders and betters…..
@@auntyjo1792 they’ve done well to avoid covid so far then. Either that or they’ve had it and are immune
Tim is wrong about Israel's vaccination rate, it's not "most", it's 59.9% double vaccinated. He should be looking at the death rate for Spain which are 63% double vaxed.
he did look at the death rate for spain, it was low. the interesting data points out of israel is 1. when most of the population were vaccinated (January) and 2. how close the two shots were (3 weeks). Not only does the vaccine wane over time, but it appears the three week window is not great for stimulating the best immune response.
Fake news
Thanks again, much appreciated.
I follow this each week - but why is there no comment on the considerably lower cases (etc) in Germany and Italy compared with UK & Spain? Sure given the close proximity and accessible information this difference needs an explanation.
I've heard that we're (UK) testing more than the rest of Europe combined. In a lot of European countries, you only get tested when you have symptoms...
Partly different testing regimes, partly different human behaviour, geography, demography etc etc. But it is certainly remarkable, especially Italy which has charted a similar course to the UK (at different times) until now. Germany has kept rates etc low throughout.
My teenage son has tested positive on a fit to fly test ; absolutely no symptoms! He has only been to swimming pool and not mixed with any friends, worn his mask etc.
He’s now given it to his sister, although his brother ( whom he shares a room with) remains negative!
Neither child has any symptoms.
My partner and I are fully vaccinated and remain negative so far .
If we hadn’t been tested for flying we would not have known.
Now you are beginning get some real-world perspective on this thing.
Just because the BBC told you “death is knocking on your door”, doesn’t mean it’s true.
Thank you Tim. If people who had their vaccinations early on in the pandemic don’t get boosters soon, double vacs will mean nothing.
So, one every six months, aeternum?
A jab for a cold?!
Unfortunately we have confirmed what we already know, Coronavirus vaccines do not work, despite the decades of effort. But then, the manufacturers never claimed they did anything other that “possibly” reduce symptoms…..
@@philiplindley7384 having antibodies constantly circulating probably isn’t going to do you much good. There’s a reason why they wane with time.
No such thing as a coronavirus vaccine
Israel vaccination rate is between 60 - 65% I believe. Not sure what their data shows in terms of vaccinated/unvaccinated death rates. Also new Oxford study shows that if as a vaccinated person you get re-infected you will be as infectious as if you had not been vaccinated.
But hey ho the vaccinated affected can still go on holidays abroad and get back to normal!
When I ask how long vaccines protect us for, I get vague responses, experts don't seem to know. I had my second AZ jab in mid-June, seems silly not to know when it will wear off (?) I don't relish being vaccinated every few months just in case! Despite having taken the jab I am quite vaccine hesitant esp over possible effects long term. Btw, question: what are the key symptoms for an unvaccinated person infected with the delta variant?
The same natural immune system that works against colds and flu, wirks againt covid.
I am also phobic of needles. The reason they don't know how long the immunity lasts (via infection or via vaccination) is that there simply has not been enough time passed.
We are all waiting for that info.
On the bright side, immunologists and virologists I follow do not seem to think "we" need boosters- that it is being over cautious in offering them to more immunosuppressed people "just in case" until we do have more data.
Also on the bright side there aren't really any long term side effects of vaccines. Side effects occur within 6 weeks after vaccination and this "long term" spin has been used by pseudo science antivaxxers to spook people. I would personally be much more concerned about long term effects of covid or what happens to the virus that does not clear from the body after infection.
Hi, I can understand your hesitation but really well done...that vax will save your body from permanent injury from Covid itself.....having had severe covid twice I am very effected + will never recover fully...
It was known before the vaccination programme started that any protection would not be long lasting
@@celiad6012 given that people tested after SARS still had protection more than ten years later, why assume something completely different for this virus?
3:27 Most of Scotland's schools returned on Monday 16th August.
We have 4 grandchildren in Glasgow all under 4 (3 families). The grandchildren go to 3 different nurseries and have all had heavy cold like infections recently some twice (not covid). Clearly several viruses are happily circulating in these nurseries. Either much better infection prevention is required or nurseries will have to close again as covid cases rise. The economic effects of ongoing covid will be even worse than they have been unless the pandemic is much more effectively dealt with not to mention our personal increasing risk of hospitalization as immunity wanes
Kids get colds. Switch on that brain
let the government pay mums to stay at home and children will be happier and mums to. If children would be around their mother their mental wellbeing would be far higher and the coughs and sneezes would be absent especially if mums would walk into open air and play with their children in stead of gazing at their dumb phones. They could interact with other mums and children could develop healthy air and physical challenges in playground and interaction with nature. Of coars this would mean less psychologist would have a job treating adults and juniors with depression, anxiety and other disorders.
Welcome back to Blighty Professor Spector..!..Thank you and Team Zoe🇬🇧👍
he is based in Portugal
@@lesleysmith107 is he really? I thought he lived in the UK
Thanks for your update Prof Spector - and hope you had a great holiday. **keep an eye on Switzerland - only 50% fully vaccinated here and we only got 3-4 weeks between Pfizer or Moderna vaccines. Cases are exponential at this time - ironic for one of the wealthiest countries…all measures are relaxed, apart from mask wearing inside public places. Very worrying. Kids have just gone back to school. No health checks on any parent school events like 20 person indoor parent evenings and a 200 parent kids teachers school opening day!! Of course, we’ve politely had to opt out…but, concerning picture growing in CH. Frustrating with so many not understanding…thanks again for all the work you’re doing…
We're at this weird stage in the pandemic where it feels like everyone's pretending we're OK whilst quietly suspecting we're probably not. There are lots of countries we never seem to hear a thing about so its interesting to learn about the situation in Switzerland.
Right, so how many people are dying?
@@mousemaing81 hardly any - but it isn’t the deaths that is concerning, it is Long Covid. Some of my athlete friends are debilitated…Ironman champion relegated to a 10km bike ride, if that! Mind you, she caught Covid before being vaccinated. However, as you may know from listening to Tim, you can still get Long Covid if vaccinated. 5% chance (95% chance you don’t get it), so a small chance. But the risk is there. That having been said, isn’t there a 5% risk of not fully recovering from any virus?…so perhaps I’m indeed being a little over cautious…
Please also refer to what the ONS data says, as on the Financial Times graphs.
Based on that data, there's no way you could say that the number of cases is steady. By all means quote the ZOE data, but also show what the ONS data says, and point out the difference.
Can you not lobby the govt before schools go back, Tim?. We are completely out of step with europe and USA with our lack of mitigation in schools and this does not bode well. If you raise a petition to educate parents about the correct symptoms and change the criteria for being tested free, I would sign it.
Tim's been trying since May 21 but it's like knocking his head against a brick wall
@@Pilky-Bs2Mc me too... I emailed my schools headmaster. They still send the PHE advice (on who should get a test and when) which is poor, and only lists the three "classic" symptoms, and actually tells parents if kids have a runny nose they are fine to come to school.....
The numbers in hospital who have been double vaccinated would be useful to know!!
See the data from Israel. In the UK see PHE SarsCov2 Variants of concern technical briefing 19. Check the deaths of the double vaccinated against the unvaccinated.
@@AlanJan_UK_49 I see it but it would be helpful if the information were included for the UK figures when we have these ‘updates’.
That won’t tell you anything … The double jab doesn’t make you immortal … The very oldest were jabbed first and they will all end up in hospital eventually. And there is a good chance they will catch Covid while they are there.
Should do a study why Hungary is doing so well, near zero cases
Maybe because they have the second highest death per million in the world by Covid19.
What about Sweden. How are they doing.
@@stephenhaywood5672 deaths are gone. Cases are steady
Probably just pure luck and lack of testing. There are ~4-8k tests per day, including the privately funded ones needed for example for travelling purposes. Also, if you check the numbers started increasing again a few days ago which will probably be boosted by the high number of vacations abroad, mainly in Croatia, the bank holiday of August 20 with large, government organized crowd events and the opening of schools on September 1.
@@peterkarlsson1825 the death was high before vaccination, now its near zero
What protection is that then?
Thanks for the data. No Sweden comparison? Against the agenda?
tbf he included Israel … The first county to jab kids and the first to mandate vax certificates for practically everything … That’s proving a great success … 😬
@@Hickalum yeah but he believes his explanation on the weeks between doses is adequate. Id call it, purely speculation 😂
@@Hickalum Israel has the highest rate of infections of double jabbed, i take it the agenda is a success, your not refering to helping people
@@jamesdalton1386 Kevin was being ironic.
So much easier to hear in this location Tim, thanks
It’s pathetic that I have to go to the UK to get relatively good data about the U.S. Sars-CoV media drama here in the states is unbelievable.
You have a certain former president to thank for that.
The incidence graph of new cases per 100K looks logical. But the number of new cases listed to the right seems illogical - why would there be 13,604 new cases in fully vaccinated category and only 6,508 in partially vaccinated. Can this be explained? Their numerical order does not agree with the order shown in the graph. Thanks for your explanations.
Antibody dependent enhancement is unfortunately happening right before our very eyes. This is going to be a heartbreaking few years to come.
They’ll call ADE deaths covid.
@@Hickalum yep. The "new variant" did it
The people wont see.... Its very sad. But worrying as everyone unjabbed will be blamed too.
Everything but the truth will be scapegoated.and not ine of these people will point the finger where it belongs....at the dicktraitors, and themselves
Question for Tim & the team please: The hospitalisation and deaths graphs show a fall in number of infections and hospitalisations, but not an associated fall in number of deaths. This could be due to the infection numbers coming from a different dataset (Zoe, whilst the other two are UK Gov), but are you / should we be concerned about this possible decoupling? (This was too long for the Slido word count!) Thanks for the research and the updates.
Just a note that he's talking about infection blocking immunity waning here, not the effectiveness of vaccines at mitigating serious illness.
True. I have been double vaccinated and just gone down with Covid, but it's no big deal. My symptoms are relatively minor and nothing like the horror stories we were hearing at the beginning of the pandemic.
That’s a very important point which I don’t think was emphasised enough
Thanks Jed. That's reassuring 😄
@Will R Thomson you body produces IgA that protects mucus membranes after i.m. vaccination. Most vaccines work without providing sterilizing immunity at the mucosal surface.
Besides that, the virus doesnt usually stay in your nose/ throat - it is a systemic infection and systemic antibodies protect us.
We would like oral vaccines because lots of people hate needles, not because it is going to provide better protection.
YEs, my daughter is a nurse here in the US and still fully over 95% in hospital are unvaxxed and those that are have serious underlying health issues.
What is Germany doing right?