THIS is why COUNTER Picks DON'T MATTER in LOW ELO! - League of Legends
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Hmm pretty old vid I guess. Teleporting on a minion isnt possible lol
Quick Tip for Fiora passiv: The vital always appears in 2 „periods“. 1 possibility is on the right side or the top side of your champ. After refreshing it appears on the other possibility: the left side or the lower side of your champ. It always alternates between those 2 possibilities.
0:31 "Alright, the champion i picked into Fiora is Kled." *shows picture of Irelia*
It’s a visual rework, Fiora is now ionian.
i was about to comment the same
yeah my first thought was how weird fiora's lookin today
"TPs on a minion": wait thats illegal in season 12
I thought this was a repost... now I'm certain
Imo the TP changes were one of the worst things they did.
@@andrebenites9919 No, it's not a repost. They had other vids of similar topics but not the exact same one. It was prolly filmed before tp changes
Ah yes the good old tp onto a minion trick... I can't wait to try this in my own game.
only works after 14 minutes have passed, with unleashed TP
@@aoisora1445 wow I never knew that. I must've not played league since the new season.... either that or I knew it doesn't work and was basically saying that this video doesn't work anymore.
@@jamie-dempsey while that guy got whooshed hard, the vid works lol, you can still tp on the tower and the wave would be frozen
@@Ninjer im not too sure about that. I think if you tp to the tower the minion dies and the wave gets under turret thus creating a slow push for you rather than a freeze
@@jamie-dempsey Yeah, with unleashed tp, If you really want the freeze you just have to recall and tp a lot earlier, giving up trading damage beforehand and/or recalling with less gold.
Fiora new VU lookin a bit like irelia 🤔 0:33
I am a singed main, so I basically counter pick myself every game
Top is like my 3rd most played lane and singed is my most played top. When I picked him up it helped me learn more about wave state when I didn't proxy of course.
I am a Gwen main. Every pick is a counter pick
@@absolution4817 sure, complain more bro
@@absolution4817 outside of tanks for sure she is weak vs 85% of top lanes but her top match uos she is amazing in
@@xSAxJkkool no shes not shes just good into her best matchups look at the stats
One very useful thing I learned about Fiora is that her passive always alternate between bottom-left and top-right (it's 50/50 random only within said pairs). So when "good vital" times out, it's not luck that next one is towards her.
It doesn't work quite like that: the initial vital spawns in a random spot around them, and when you proc it the next one spawns on the opposite side of the champion *based on your position*. If you hit right on the edge of a vital it will spawn next to the opposite edge, so only 90 degrees away compared to 180 degrees if you hit the middle of the vital.
@@TurkeyMeat I once fought a Fiora who did right+down+right+down vials in a row level 3. I was never sure if it was luck or it could be manipulated thanks for the info I really need to play some Fiora on the training tool to learn how to counter her.
@@eduardoledesma5568 Yeah it can be manipulated, I will say it's pretty difficult against a moving target and theres still a 10-15% chance that the vital decides to spawn somewhere else for no reason.
@@TurkeyMeat @Kostyazz is correct here, its 50/50 rng between the bottom/left and top/right pairs, not based on Fiora's position. First vital of the game for Fiora always spawns on the bottom/left pair (facing blue side).
I mean a challenger player obviously has the better game knowledge vs a gold even if they counter pick themselves. Now put 2 gold players up against each other and you'll see that the one who gets countered loses almost everytime
If a gold does half the things he was doing he would also win. Challengers are not superhumans, they just have much deeper game knowledge than everyone else. So anyone that gets a grasp of that knowledge will improve a lot.
Great video, I appreciate the very slow replay and specific thought process where needed.
Nice video concept but I would have liked to see an other champ then Kled especially. Most players are not aware of an unpopular champ’s kit like kled who is countered by game knowledge in general. And Kled is a very strong laner too. Next time maybe pick a weaker skirmisher where macro and micro matters even more ;)
But the general concepts are still great of course to apply in every matchup !
These are all macro. If choosing a champ that requires too much micro, it would be a reallylong video since micro is such a situational factor. If he picked yone or yasuo, it would just be a game where he outclasses the oponent with micro. The point ofthe vid is to show how macro can win unwinnables lanes, while being sth anyone can learn. Micro relies a lot on talent
@@tristannottrysten I highly disagree on that and I tell u why:
This video focuses on both micro and macro because micro includes trading, spacing and using your skills and summoners the right way, which is a huge part of winning your lane. And that doesn’t depend on the champion you play. These are just basic micro-concepts that can be used with any champ. I agree that good macro is the way of winning games consistently, but especially for new players it’s: win your lane first ever time!
It was a horrible matchup and the other player was a fiora main and has likely played against kled before.
@@luce8658 youre right it was basic micro. But with what you said, that proves my point even more. They succeeded in giving something that anyone can learn at relative ease! Again if the champ is too micro intensive, people will put less attention into the guide cuz they would argue "ofc you would win, youre challenger with challenger level micro". This argument has happened before when they made guides playing champs like irelia or akali or riven ect. Watch their older guides in 2016 if you want to see it for yourself.
@@tristannottrysten yeah all good I‘m not saying they should have showed off a Riven or Irelia. I just think they could have picked a weaker laner/ skirmisher where basic concepts matter even more.
Maybe Kayle or Ornn idk. Just think Kled was not the perfect choice to prove a point here, because especially the Kled matchup revolves so much around the opponent’s knowledge of your champ. There are more examples like Yorick or Ilaoi. I hated to play against them for such a long time just because I had no idea how to deal with their kit. All 3 mentioned champs have horrible, unplayable matchups on paper but still they will win a majority of them, especially in low elo, because opponents lack matchup knowledge. The main point here is: it’s not because they played it so well (they just do whatever their champ does) but because their opponents play it so bad more often then not.
That Fiora specific tipp with changing Vital Position is used by Fiora too
Very nice video. I've been using the fundamentals channels like these and some coaches teach and my win rate skyrocketed from 43% to 67%. I remember laning against a Darius as Jax (probably his hardest lane), the Darius didn't know how waves worked and did stuff like pull me with like 20 minions behind me and he always ended up getting out-traded, once I hit lvl 6 (before him) I just jumped on him and killed him. These tips truly help a lot.
kled main, fiora is brutal.. I always say "i dont know if i'll win, depends on how good fiora is"
2:40 i think that mark spawning there is not unlucky. Fiora´s marks switch spawn from the back to the front. Last mark was on your back, so next one was going to be on your front. Look, even next mark spawns at your back left and then on your top right and so on.
The vayne vs teemo is quite tough after his Q CD was reduced so much
As a teemo player I never lose to a vayne top.
the easy solution to this is to not play vayne or teemo top, both champs are annoying af up there
The tp on the minion lmaoooooo
7:58 "then I have to make sure to tp on a minion before she clears it"
:)))))))))
I get that it’s the concept behind it that matters, but Kled isn’t that popular if I’m not mistaken, so maybe the fiora isn’t aware of how/why she counters kled
that's one of the problems of low elo too mate, speaking from my own experience
I'm pretty sure that's also part of the reason why counter picks don't matter in low elo, both sides don't know how the other counters you
I get counter picked all the time on my smurf, then they use their counter ability on the wave and die.
Riven vs Fiora I get so many fioras with a surprise Q3 then hold W until after riposte, then I either reset for another trade or all in. If they had used W for my Q3 I lose the trade almost every time, if it lands.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Fiora is not a counterpick to Riven, it's a skill matchup.
As a kled otp in silver i thank you for your service
I feel like this is the same video for like the 5th time with a different title :D.
Also, how old is this video? He TPs onto a minion at minute 6, which obviously hasn't been possible for several months by now :D. Feels like the content pipeline is not working too well at SC at the moment.
It is
But it is still helpful
YT uploads are purposefully delayed, cause they're free
@@rileycorrigan5593 By 4+ months though when some mechanics aren't even in the game anymore? Come on...
@@MrReese what mechanics? Fiora W? Just TP to tower :D
i mean while its generally true in 90% of the cases that a level 1 champion can not run in to a level 2 champ and beat them down in their wave you have not tried playing vlad or another weak mage vs irelias level 1 with only passive and q, you cant run and you dont win even inside your own creepwave, and if the irelia doesnt allin you, she wont let you crash the wave and kept it frozen in a bad spot where she can run you down. Also for the fiora lane, yea this works if the rng is good for you and her vital spawns on the other side of your character, if it doesnt you either have to conceed the push or lose 15-20% of ur hp for free
Not true. At the start of the video Kled walks forward and he gets an unlucky vital position. When you walk away and come back it changes the position of the vital. So if you get an unlucky vital to start, just back up and it'll switch
@@Tickleyourpickle420 if you look at the video, because the vital spawned on a good place for kled, it enabled him to get lane control, that wouldnt have been the case if the vital was facing fiora, and back off yes, back off and get bullied by fiora and give her prio for the entire early laning phase.
@@jususi71 It legit takes 2 seconds to swap the vital
“Vitals do NOT appear randomly. The direction alternates between north/east and south/west. For example, if you hit a Vital on the southern side, the next Vital can appear either in the northern or eastern side.”
“Quick Tip #3: The first Vital that spawns on the enemy is not random.
The first Vital will appear on the south or west side. This gives Fiora a slightly better advantage if starting on the blue team.”
If your vital is in favorable position for Fiora, you have a 66% chance of getting a non favorable vital when you reset it.
Hope this helps
@@Tickleyourpickle420 "Vitals take 1.75 seconds to become targetable and linger for 13.25 seconds" basically dont go near fiora for 15 seconds or she will proc the vital on you, or get lane prio, like i said.
"There is no champion at level one that just straight up beats someone at level two"
Someone has never been Irelia'd.
Irelia is super weak at level 1 actually. She only becomes stupidly strong when she can stack her passive on 3+ minions. If you contest her before the first 3 melees get low, she actually loses against a lot of champions.
haha
@@oukawa2558 "She's super weak at level one, just don't let her press Q on a minion three times otherwise yeah, actually it makes sense that you can't fight her when you're level two"
Riven
Aatrox
Both of them have broken Qs with infinite resources, since they don't use mana
Someone has never faced a darius with ignite :)
How did he tp on to the minion? Did riot revert the tp change?
Make us a yorick vs irelia counterpick video, would like to see that one
Hey you uh, had an Irelia graphic when describing Fiora there at the start xD
Why is Irelia's key ability her W? I thought it would be her E since its CC, can provide an in for Q with a reset, and therefore an extra stack of her passive as well. Would appreciate explanation. Thanks for the vid.
might be because w also reduces damage but im not too sure either
Irelia needs W to lower creep HP to reset her Q. W also gives her damage reduction which sways trades in her favor.
Her w being up will stop you from killing her, her e being down will stop her from killing you. Also the q cd time she can stall by holding w and potentially even getting the wave low enough for 3 minion qs is more important the one extra q onto you.
Oh shit thats such a good tip! Tp on a minion at 6 mins in the game so she cant crash, hold freeze and snowball lane, well if you havent checked the latest patch, she would have been able to actually crash it and potentially the entire lane can start to play out differently
It would be more fun to watch a high elo version of a hard counterpick.
It would be the other top laner getting dove on wave 3 and tilting.
@@bobdunn7003 shoutout to my boy TFBlade
Can you do Jax vs Garen?
Wait this man tp on minions this is a oldie holy
If it doesn t work in low elo why do i feel like get counter picked when i play my champ(Gwen) almost every game
Ayo TP on the minion? McBaze really procrastinated this vid lol
Ah yes let me tp to a minion before 14 mins real quick lmao. (Keep your guides current pls, skillcapped)
He would just tp earlier to hold the freeze, the game changes but its fundamentals remain the same
@@lol_sergiu
The fundamentals in general yes...
But using the to hold a freeze and knowing you can do that versus not being able to do that _IS_ part of your fundamentals, because it changes how you have to play to maintain a freeze versus a slow push
Tbf Kled into Fiora is definitely not a bad matchup… I‘ve Mained both champs for some time and it’s winnable for both sides pretty easily if you know the champs
1:08 uhhh..what about Yone?
0:33 need a better editor?
Okay, but can you show me how to win as SUPPORT, where there's support matchups, adc matchups, AND duo synergy that could all go against me?
Example: Yuumi + Kai'sa vs Nautilus + Samira. What can the Yuumi player do to win (or survive) that lane?
not feed. control the wave. get vision down before jungle timers/ objective. be spatially aware of possible dives and try to outplay of ult up if not with exhaust ignite q. understand the flow of the game when duo strong when weak play accordingly ( meaning passive or aggresive). don't afk use passive whenever q from naut down. always play around the person with the highest Carry potential. don't type in any form of chat unless number and summoner spell name. ping vision. use pings for ally ults your ultimate and sums. if they flash have that in chat. if you can't win besides all efforts try to better understand the match-up for further use. if you are very weak against a certain combination try to get out of lane asap. control what u can don't waste energy on what u can not.
^_^ good luck !
@@DGP24 Well I did say "what" so I guess that's mb, but I've played more than enough Yuumi games to understand all that. It's the "how" that I should've asked about
How long ago was this made? TP to minions pre 14 Sadge
i want to see yorick vs irelia
Don’t play Yorick much but probably just ban her, you’re far too weak early to use any of these concepts, and late she has enough dashes on ghouls and minions to kill you whenever.
8:05 tp on the what
Did they reworked it again or what
what patch is this jfkdl??? wtf 8:06 tp on minion at 6 minutes
Was that not kled vs irelia??
Good concepts for the most part. However... the to to minion isn't possible anymore. Kind of awkward to use significantly older footage then live patch. But regardless, concepts hold true like I said.
i dont play top, kled or fiora, but great vid
Not all champs play Akali vs Pantheon and see how it goes.
It does.. Hard counterd a fiora. She got first blood 2 assist lvl 1. Won the lane and the game in the end. No no doesnt matter no no
you cannot tp to minions anymore at 6 min, i loved it :(
At the start you say fiora but its a irelia pic
Thought this video was outdated but sheesh
well great guide with the cool tp guide unfortunate too late...
How old is this video that tp still allows you to to to a minion pre 14 mins???
00:35 wrong splashart uwu
Me first picking Gangplank and then going against Azir, Lucian and Akshan 🤡
Umm you should redo this video without the TP part
That change alone is a turn off but still good content
it would have been the same regardless, if he just bought the item earlier. TPs on turret and pulls the wave
Should we inform vandiril of this tp? xD
great information but its kind of offset by a challlenger player smurfing in gold
That TP is from centuries ago.
Wow fiora 0:33
Fio is prolly one of the best designed bruisers theres so much counter play in lane but if shes good she completely destroys you
Fiora new skin leaked 0:33 🤔
I'm on D2. Can this be applied? Answer, not against most Top laner mains.
We....well, I...need more top lane videos plz!
Ah, Fiora. Or as I like to call her, Irelia
Fiora after the game : kled op
I blind picked Yone top and ended up against Irelia. I went 3/0. I don't know how but I did.
It's kinda unplayable for yone but top lane is literally all about patience
i hate that teleporting makes a minion invulnerable. so much! it's so illogical. at the very least, enemy champions should be able to damage it.
I dont get it, I play fiora in gold 2 euw server and I dont do this bad wtf xd maybe its a gold 4 fiora which will make sense cause gold 4 is like waaay worse.
0:34 "The champion i picked in Fiora is Kled"
Bro thats Irelia
I am pretty sure my lvl 1 Tryndamere beats lvl 2 yuumi
You know fiora is spamming jg diff in team chat
Try playing sion in this matchup lmao
This is so good ❤️❤️❤️
Teleport on minion pre 14??? How old is this vid?
hm this is pretty old video from archive heh
Nice concept, but I don't think it is fair... it works in gold because you are so much better than your opponent. If you picked kled in your own elo, you would get destroyed.
I know you want to sensitize people, but you have to keep in mind that the game knowledge and mechanics wont be this different when you face opponents in your own elo. When then make your game harder?
Sure, apply the concepts and get better, but don't give yourself a disadvantage by getting "counterpicked"
The literal title of the video is "Why counter picks don't matter in *low elo* " lmao
@@flameofmage1099 So answer to being counter picked in low elo is to be high elo smurf?
@@fupidox5642 What? Can you rephrase that?
@@flameofmage1099 He smurf. He no teach play be counter. He teach smurf beat low elo.
@@flameofmage1099 And yet they still matter. He didn't chose to play this in his own elo, but flex on people 4 entire ranks below him. Of course it WILL work when you are so far ahead in mechanics and game knowledge than the other guy.
smh...
How do you TP on a minion. Report McBaze hacker
Huh yes teemo indeed counters vayne top
Im silver 3, so what do I know. But that's not Fiora
yeah yeah counter pick dont matter if you are challenger in gold. but if im not challenger it does matter.
kinda stupid since im in my elo. and a challenger player can do off meta or get countered and still win in gold obv hurdur
Did you just teleport to a minion at 6min?
“Fiora” shows irelia
This Vid is old, xd. TP changes are suffocating toplane
now do Camille into jan XD
Big shocker, a challenger smurf wins lane against a gold player :o
i am so idiot that i can't play
I mean my silver/gold opponents don’t make the mistake of fighting at lvl disadvantage and would back off 9/10 games so not sure how helpful this is you just showed us how to beat stupid people not actual opponents
My thought exactly
He was level one when she attacked him
@@ma-cg1il yes but what I’m saying is the players in my silver/gold games would have known he was going to level up on that minion and backed off…..
@@wocky7369 maybe some of them, but diffenately not most. Also he could've still gotten a cheater recall if she didn't fight. Not sure if that's enough to win this specific match up though, if it's as bad as he is claiming
@@ma-cg1il Well from my experience playing a lot of games at silver/gold 9/10 of my opponents do this so yes definitely most. Him being able to get off a cheater recall has no significance what so ever as her fighting and dying while down a level is always the wrong playand far worse than letting him cheater recall.
McBaze got Demounted XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD?!?!?!?! demounted
I hate these "do you know why" pauses.
Love your guys content and I learn alot but Yall getting real bold with some of these titles. Being countered is REAL even in gold. If u don't believe me give twitch/vayne into a half decent cait a try 🤷
Half decent? Caitlyn's one of the easiest adcs in the game, a trash one is just as annoying to lane against as a good one. The only way to differentiate them is by whether they fall off later.
Twitch is a pretty good matchup against her though so I don't know why you're complaining about that. He's not very low range, has a stealth to catch her out of position, and the second he hits 6 the lane turns in his favor thanks to the power of his ult.
@@GigaLigma "the stealth to catch her out of position": your clarifying what I mean by a half decent cait. And no, a bad cait gets steamrolled bc she pushes to tower and instantly dies to gank. A good cait controls the wave, pushes when it's warded, and is aware of position for twitch stealth. When these combine twitch/vayne just gets stomped bc constant harass and pushed to tower
@@GigaLigma also, cait is NOT one of the easiest champs to play. Not to be rude but your just very wrong here...her trap placement alone makes her a complex pick to play correctly. There's many possibilities: locking out dragon pit, trapping teleport positions, trapping self for rengar pounce, hiding traps in obscure positions, and obv animation cancelling autos with trap. check out fsn saber if ur wondering what a half decent cait looks like!
@@Eminent_wolf You literally just called the adc designed to be the easiest to play "not an easy champ to play." Sorry but your bias is showing. Caitlyn is literally the single easiest ADC in the game due to her massive range, extreme safety, and mechanical simplicity.
Her trap placement is the only aspect of her kit that has any kind of real skillcap to it, and even that doesn't need to be done in the most efficient way for her to be painfully effective. Your champion is disgustingly easy and that's why about half of low elo adcs play her. Citing one of the few high elo Caitlyn mains and the desperate mechanics he has to use to keep up with more complex champions in high elo doesn't really support your point.
You need to separate "skillfloor" from "skillcap" in your mind, then you need to accept that challenger-level gameplay is a poor representation of the other 99.9% of the game. The only difficulty Caitlyn has in challenger comes from how simple she is, because she's not designed for that elo; players have to get creative with her kit to stay relevant because she is so simple. In anywhere below challenger-level, this is not true and Caitlyn is one of the easiest, most reliable champions in the game at her skillfloor.
@@GigaLigma dam. I actually think I take an L in this debate bc now that I think about it fsn saber really does have to do a lot to do anything at all
Ok but Fiora is a very skill expressive champ and this one made a lot of match mistakes. What do you do against easy champ bullies like Teemo or Quinn, etc? They essentially cancel bruisser and tank laning phase altogether.
How to win when getting counter picked: Be so much better than your opponent that having both Klitschko Brothers team up to beat up a child seems fair in comparison.
Such advice, much educational, wow.
Why counters are stupid in low elo. They suck at wave management and punishing enemy laner. Silvers have this stigma that because you pick a counter the game is unloseable. We often time see the teemo just get wrecked by nasus or Darius because he's just playing like an ape. Mindlessly pushing, not accomplishing anything then he proceeds to get gank 4 times and blames his jg. Totally disregarding his own mistakes.
I like these but....When I get stomped by someone smurfing its kinda lame that yall are doing this
Comment: "Obnoxious", "abominations" within ten seconds of the video lol, get your host or yourself under control. It's nearly every video now that you aliken yourself to the toxic side of the playerbase. It would be okay otherwise, but these toxic people need to have no solace or nods to their frustrated excuses.
??????????
What? Kled counters Irelia
Check the stats my guy
You played Kled? That's not a real counterpick, Kled is an oppressive lane bully that many players don't even know how to play against. As far as "counterpicks" go, he's a great option for just ignoring them in low elo and winning lane against every matchup.
Set up a counterpick that actually matters if you want to keep trying to feed us this "matchups don't matter" rhetoric. Nobody's buying it unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, and THIS isn't it. I would never in my life call this a HARD counter with how few players know how to play against Kled, and how well he can survive bad matchups to wait for openings. Plus Fiora is mostly dependent on how good the Fiora player is, whereas a lot of other hard-counter champions are way easier to play with less room to make mistakes. Play a counterpick that's actually oppressive and straightforward for the countering champ to take advantage of, like Teemo vs an ADC top, or Irelia vs Yorick. These days it's not even uncommon to end up in situations like having to face Garen mid as Kat, which is just a blatantly impossible matchup where Kat can't do anything all lane no matter how horrible the Garen plays.
Show us how to win a lane where the other person can turn their brain off and still easily counter you, as opposed to "how to beat a bad Fiora as a lane bully she has no idea how to play against."
Look, I get that it can be hard to get quality footage, but you're trying to show a counter matchup where the low ELO player is playing a high skill ceiling champ (one of the ones that doesn't have the ability to facemask keyboard and win early game) and you're playing a champ that very few people even know how to deal with. This isn't something you should be falling back on when it comes to old footage that can still hold relevance.
IT MATTERS 50% smurfs in low elo, every lvl 30 account starts in low elo.
Dislike coz this invites a low elo player to keep doing misstakes like this.
as a kled main i'm jealous of your macro but screaming on the inside at your kled mechanics. you're good at the game but you don't main kled and its painful