@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol I don't think Vegeta was referring to Whis, I also don't think any mortal will surpass Whis. The narrative of that chapter and arc was about the strongest mortals and this video is talking about the strongest Saiyans lol.
Great analysis. The only notes are that I don’t believe Broly’s SSJ is only 50x multiplier and I believe Gohan also could go berserk if he pushes Full Extent too far. Berserk Broly vs Berserk Gohan Beast would be something to see!
No 50x multiplier for Broly's SS form cuz his Base form is just a bit better than Goku and Vegeta but still with the controlled power of SS he easily fought Beast Gohan.
I agree with 99% of the video. The only part i disagree with is Berserk broly skill set. he was able to fight with the ssj 1 gogeta for a little while without getting out skilled
Absolutely right at the begining brother. Yeah I agreed with every part. Gohan is absolutely the strongest Saiyan currently. Many people seemed to be mad at this😂. I mean it happened quite many times in DBZ. Deep down in my opinion, I lowball believe that Gohan Beast will be the one to defeat Black Frieza, considering in tournament of power, he was the one who told frieza that he will be the one to finish him. Gohan Beast will defeat Black Frieza but Vegeta will step up and kill Frieza once and for all. That’s the best scenario I can think of. If they’re going to make Black Frieza arc in the future.
People are overestimating beast gohan. He’s still vastly weaker than black Frieza. However if he trained for the same amount of time Frieza did in the time chamber then it’s a very different story. Frieza has taken advantage of his potential and actually trained.
I totally agree with you but you'll laugh at me when you'll know that these toxic Goku fans have developed a new theory that SS3 DBZ Goku is stronger than Buuhan 😂😂😂😂
@@SeoulSavvyThey literally confirmed it in Daima, you been coping about it for so long that you don't even wanna accept facts when Toriyama presents them to you 😂🤣 Gohan has only surpassed Goku once in The Cell Saga and that was because Goku TRAINED HIM, I can't wait till Beast Gohan gets fodderized just so Goku or Vegeta can defeat the villain and I can laugh at you Gohan fanboys saying I was right all along 😂🤣
Thank you RevoluShane for making this video of Low Ball & High Ball of the Power Levels of the 4 Saiyans. - When you replied back to my Broly statement in your last video & explained to me that you said that you were thinking low ball & I agreed after your explanation and the next couple of days you did this video of the 4 Saiyans and explained if High Ball , Broly would be the Strongest if / (me ) = when Broly goes to his Controlled Legendary SuperSaiyan form . - Black Frieza would be the Perfect Candidate to do that since it was Frieza who Made Broly go Regular Basic SuperSaiyan1 in the 1st place . So thank you for also doing this video . - You are & have Always been The Best with your content videos & explanations for why & how they are .
Gohan is the strongest, absolutely. That was the entire point of Super Hero. And more to the point, Gohan did NOT go full power against Goku. He powered up to the highest point without going berserk. He could go even higher, but with the risk of snapping.
Thing is, his strongest point without going berserk was played of an 'oops ouchie' moment, not something that'd flat out destroy goku. While it definitely worked besta against that level of goku, we don't know how far their actual full powers are.
Sorry but gohan isnt strongest. This is fact, i dont know why people think that gohan could beat goku and vegeta who training every day of his life, then gohan not training. Power level is not everything. Practice techniques battle iq this is it
It's definitely Broly,went weaker than ssj to fighting gods to Gogeta Blue.The ability to grow and adapt doing battle he's not a hybrid Sayian like Gohan but he is a mutant.Broly is the perfect warrior,that's why og Broly was popular and this one is similar 💯 but we can't have Goku and Vegeta riding backseat so that'll hold him back just like they did Gohan.
Dragon ball super is fun but it’s not to be taken seriously power level wise. No point debating who’s strongest told what form is as power levels and scaling make no sense.
Gohan is the strongest. The writers just don't have the balls to have Gohan beat Goku the way he realistically could in order to not upset fans. That's why it was a "draw"
I'm going to say something controversial which is I believe that Gohan beast at full power is stronger than Beerus. The reason I say this is because Beerus said that once Goku surpasses him in power he'd recommend Goku as a god of destruction candidate. Now Whis heard this and thus would know what beerus is looking for in beerus' successor. Before I finish my point when whis asked Goku and Vegeta he says would you like to be the next god of destruction once beerus kicks the bucket. But now Whis knows what beerus is looking for and after witnessing gohans full power and then his fight with broly Whis asked beerus if Gohan could be a god of destruction candidate. Now whis now knows what beerus wants someone more Powerful than him and knowing this he asked beerus about Gohan being the next god of destruction in which beerus said no. It was not because gohan wasn't strong enough it was because Gohan doesn't have destruction in his nature like I said this comment will probably be controversial but remember I'm taking what beerus said and whis question into consideration
Completely agree. Same reason I think Beast Gohan and Black Frieza are relative, with the difference being that Black Frieza has much better control of his power. Whis and Beerus thought Gohan had the power to be a candidate for Beerus, and Black Frieza was stated in VJump to be close to a God of Destruction's power. Veeeerrrryyy evident what the narrative is setting up
@@righteousone5119 now you I don't see your point there is no reason to think beast gohan is anywhere near frieza if he was it would've been stated by anyone on beerus's planet . I mean how is someone who can get punched in the face by blue vegeta anywhere near someone who can knock both goku and vegeta at full power with ease
@@JackRippa-bq9qo omg that was so CLEARLY a gag scene. You don't seriously think SS Goten and Trunks are fighting on equal footing with a Controlled SS Broly? It's possible Gohan is near Frieza's level, just wasn't mentioned and Gohan wouldn't have the control and command of his power to defeat Frieza anyway, that's why he's goes Berserk if he outputs too much of Beast's power.
Nah. Vegeta noted that Gohan's full Beast power surpassed the evasion speed of Ultra Instinct. Sign isn't doing a thing against a Beast Gohan who is able to even touch Complete UI Goku, let alone the fact that we don't know what Berserk Beast Gohan is capable of or how that power would even work.
Vegeta is my boii and all. But until he learns and masters Kaioken. He will never be stronger *edit* scratch that. Ultra ego would prob counter the kaioken boost now that I think about it
The answer is easy, Broly only as a SS1 is able to match the others in their strongest forms, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan have peaked with their transformstions, Broly only needs SS2 to leave them in the dirt, SS3 Broly would beable to overpower all 3 of them at once, Broly with SSG or SSB could likely 1 shot any of them.
In the movie broly is the strongest all the promotional material for the movie says broly is the strongest except for one statement from toriyama that says gohan is the strongest
I'd give it to Broly. I feel like people are in such a rush to make Gohan the strongest because Beast is the cool new form. Everyone seems to ignore that Goku put up a better fight after he transformed again. Goku confirmed it wasn't about beating Gohan. If Gohan throwing Broly makes him stronger, then Goku knocking Gohan back with an air punch makes Goku stronger. We gotta remember that these weren't full-on fights, they were short spars so of course Broly didn't get considerably stronger. Ultra Instinct requires concentration so it's not like Gohan's "Knocking Goku out of UI" did any more damage than Goku did to Gohan. If you reread the chapter, Gohan was just as injured from Goku's attack as Goku was from Gohan's attack. I think Broly would be the strongest in a short term fight, he'd lose.
@@phantomrogue7894 the air punch reaction was way different than Beast knocking Goku out of UI. Goku was actually saying ouch and questioning Gohan lol…not even comparable instances
@@cajeb5396 I compared the air punch to Gohan throwing Broly, not Goku being knocked out of UI. I'm saying neither confirm they are stronger but if we are, we have to apply the same logic. Goku was surprised by Gohan's increase in strength but immediately fought on par with him after transforming again. I think they're all on par, but it depends on who has the best hax. Right now we don't know enough about beast. I just think a short spar isn't enough to say who is definitively stronger.
This is where I have it for Raw Power. Broly Arc Super Sayian Blue Gogeta >> Broly Arc Full Power Broly >>> Black Frieza >= SH Beast Gohan > SH UE Vegeta >= SH MUI Goku >= SH SSJ Broly. Reasoning: Power wise UE Vegeta should have the capacity to surpass MUI Goku and SSJ Broly. SSJ Broly and MUI Goku both fought relatively with Beast Gohan, but MUI Goku did better. Beast Gohan beat MUI Goku and SSJ Broly and likely would beat Vegeta if Gohan can beat Goku. Goku said Gohan could handle any threat to earth. Black Freiza is a threat to earth. So Goku things Gohan is stronger then Granola Arc Black Frieza. However, I still put Black Frieza a little above because we don't know if Goku has a grasp on Black Freiza full power and we don't know if Black Frieza got stronger. (I don't think Black Frieza surpassed Blue Gogeta for reasons I'm about to explain) We know Broly didn't have the capacity to go SSJ during Granola's Wish, so Full Power Broly wasn't counted. Full Power Broly could fight SSJ Gogeta, who is stronger then current Goku and Vegeta because of the Fusion multipler. If you really think current MUI Goku got stronger then ((T.O.P MUI Level × T.O.P Blue Evolved Level) × 50) you got to be kidding. He also omewhat fought Blue Gogeta, or at the very least he survived, which is very impressive. Blue Gogeta has statements putting him equal to Blue Vegito, and Blue Vegito has statements putting him at Beerus' level, which no other mortal character is. Also, again, if you thing current MUI Goku got stronger then ((T.O.P MUI Level x T.O.P Blue Evolved Level) × Blue Multipler) you have to be joking.
I actually think black Frieza is a lot stronger than Broly from the movie. He witnessed Gogeta bully Broly so he trained with that in mind. He’s made use of his monstrous potential (even if it isn’t better than Broly’s). 10 years is a long time to put in major improvement. I do not think gohan has come close to black Frieza’s power from the granolah arc because he just used a small demonstration to knock goku and Vegeta out. I’m willing to bet Frieza in his golden form could have done the same thing at that time if not still do some damage. Now if gohan trained in the time chamber for the same time Frieza has, then it’s a completely different story.
@@gammafrost Training with a level of strength in mind doesn't nessissarily mean he reached it. We also have confirmation that Black Frieza is weaker than Beerus while Gogeta Blue is on if not stronger than Beerus. And Broly was somewhat relative to that. There is also the Fusion Multipler. However, I have a feeling that it might be thrown out soon as it doesn't make sense for Goku and Vegeta to be able to leap to multiple billions of times stronger within a few years.
@@jeremymorris345 during broly movie goku can't use mui at will untill moro arc Ikari broly is on par with blue goku if he turns ssj that will be 50 times of blue. Blue goku flyaway dodging and deflect broly ssj ki blasts base gogeta do the same thing would make his base blue level bare minimum meaning ssj would 50 times of blue goku like broly and both on par with each other Fusion is said by vados to be more than some of thier part combined and multiply 10 of times over didn't say strongest of them
My there is bardock cursed or gifted goku with his wish to be the hero of the sayain race and redeem his people or gokus family is the actual royal family of the sayains and is a decedent of the first super sayain or sayain god and all of gokus children will carry this burden of bardocks wish birthing hero’s of the universe that’s that’s why vegeta call goku a hero in battle of gods and gohon plays as a superhero on earth literally the movie dbSsuperhero the whole point was gohan became the hero again like in cell games and saving the planet it makes sense bardocks wish means for then just live well
With Black Frieza being confirmed the strongest, it's obvious that the one of the saiyans would fight him to see who will claim the strongest. Gohan beast being confirmed the "Strongest" in the interview by Akira Vegeta UE being able to tank Gas' attacks End of Z Goku being confirmed "Strongest" in a past interview. Broly being able to keep up with Goku and Vegeta. However, i think Toyo once said there would be no big recons for the end of z only some small changes meaning... Goku beats Black Frieza thus becoming the strongest mortal in the universe.
Ah but frieza was not confirmed to be the strongest as Goku asked whis if he was the strongest and whis responded with perhaps or the strongest could have awoken elsewhere. This leaves things vague as to who the strongest in universe 7 truly is
Black Frieza was never confirmed to be the strongest. With where Goku is now, it's very plausible he surpasses Black Frieza and even Beast Gohan by the End of Z. Gohan was the strongest Z fighter during the Superhero Movie and is confirmed still beyond Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. Plus, we don't know what Gohan is capable of when he goes Berserk, but presumably, he'd be MUCH stronger than Goku, Vegeta, or Broly.
Disgusting Goku glazing here. I think with Toriyamas death the Goku era is THANKFULLY coming to a close. The boring and repetive tropes etc. Its time for the younger characters
All 4 Saiyans Vs Black Frieza?
Your thoughts?
Smash a Like on the video if you agree with my RANT 😥
Black freiza makes them look like a bunch of teddy bears
Frieza violates at the moment.
4 saiyans. broly can stall long enough for goku and vegeta to fusion
Four Saiyans, Gohan I could put up a fight, maybe even beat Freeza
@@RevoluShane if Gohan and Broly fuse the Saiyans win. Legendary Beast Brohan >>
Vegeta explained it perfectly in Chapter 74 of the DBS manga. Being the strongest only reflects a moment in time 🔥
Cope
@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol ???
@@j.i.k2.044 It isn't merely a moment in time, cause at no point will Goku surpass Whis
@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol I don't think Vegeta was referring to Whis, I also don't think any mortal will surpass Whis. The narrative of that chapter and arc was about the strongest mortals and this video is talking about the strongest Saiyans lol.
@@j.i.k2.044 it's a silly quote
Great analysis. The only notes are that I don’t believe Broly’s SSJ is only 50x multiplier and I believe Gohan also could go berserk if he pushes Full Extent too far. Berserk Broly vs Berserk Gohan Beast would be something to see!
Imo Berserk Beast Gohan > Black Frieza
No 50x multiplier for Broly's SS form cuz his Base form is just a bit better than Goku and Vegeta but still with the controlled power of SS he easily fought Beast Gohan.
@@SeoulSavvymakes no sense
@@righteousone5119Lmao good joke 🤣
I agree with 99% of the video. The only part i disagree with is Berserk broly skill set. he was able to fight with the ssj 1 gogeta for a little while without getting out skilled
Absolutely right at the begining brother. Yeah I agreed with every part. Gohan is absolutely the strongest Saiyan currently. Many people seemed to be mad at this😂. I mean it happened quite many times in DBZ. Deep down in my opinion, I lowball believe that Gohan Beast will be the one to defeat Black Frieza, considering in tournament of power, he was the one who told frieza that he will be the one to finish him. Gohan Beast will defeat Black Frieza but Vegeta will step up and kill Frieza once and for all. That’s the best scenario I can think of. If they’re going to make Black Frieza arc in the future.
People are overestimating beast gohan. He’s still vastly weaker than black Frieza. However if he trained for the same amount of time Frieza did in the time chamber then it’s a very different story. Frieza has taken advantage of his potential and actually trained.
@@gammafrostDebate me for this.
I totally agree with you but you'll laugh at me when you'll know that these toxic Goku fans have developed a new theory that SS3 DBZ Goku is stronger than Buuhan 😂😂😂😂
@@SeoulSavvyThey literally confirmed it in Daima, you been coping about it for so long that you don't even wanna accept facts when Toriyama presents them to you 😂🤣 Gohan has only surpassed Goku once in The Cell Saga and that was because Goku TRAINED HIM, I can't wait till Beast Gohan gets fodderized just so Goku or Vegeta can defeat the villain and I can laugh at you Gohan fanboys saying I was right all along 😂🤣
@@MajinUltraEgo-pv I'm not a fan but come debate me and nourish your little knowledge of toxic Goku fans.
Pound for Pound Broly *IS* physically the strongest Saiyan.
Thank you RevoluShane for making this video of Low Ball & High Ball of the Power Levels of the 4 Saiyans.
- When you replied back to my Broly statement in your last video & explained to me that you said that you were thinking low ball & I agreed after your explanation and the next couple of days you did this video of the 4 Saiyans and explained if High Ball , Broly would be the Strongest if / (me ) = when Broly goes to his Controlled Legendary SuperSaiyan form .
- Black Frieza would be the Perfect Candidate to do that since it was Frieza who Made Broly go Regular Basic SuperSaiyan1 in the 1st place . So thank you for also doing this video .
- You are & have Always been The Best with your content videos & explanations for why & how they are .
Gohan is the strongest, absolutely. That was the entire point of Super Hero.
And more to the point, Gohan did NOT go full power against Goku. He powered up to the highest point without going berserk. He could go even higher, but with the risk of snapping.
Cell Max had power greater than Broly. Gohan could literally tank his attacks without flinching. Peak Gohan is a different breed.
Thing is, his strongest point without going berserk was played of an 'oops ouchie' moment, not something that'd flat out destroy goku.
While it definitely worked besta against that level of goku, we don't know how far their actual full powers are.
Sorry but gohan isnt strongest. This is fact, i dont know why people think that gohan could beat goku and vegeta who training every day of his life, then gohan not training. Power level is not everything. Practice techniques battle iq this is it
It's definitely Broly,went weaker than ssj to fighting gods to Gogeta Blue.The ability to grow and adapt doing battle he's not a hybrid Sayian like Gohan but he is a mutant.Broly is the perfect warrior,that's why og Broly was popular and this one is similar 💯 but we can't have Goku and Vegeta riding backseat so that'll hold him back just like they did Gohan.
Ssj Gogeta could pulled it off, still Blue Gogeta toyed with Broly and I don’t think broly landed single hit on him after transforming into blue.
@parthshilimkar4610 Broly is doing all of this as a Super Sayian,just think about it.If he goes SSJ2 ITS OVA
Goku is the best fighter U7 can offer (according to Lord Beerus)
Dragon ball super is fun but it’s not to be taken seriously power level wise. No point debating who’s strongest told what form is as power levels and scaling make no sense.
Gohan is the strongest. The writers just don't have the balls to have Gohan beat Goku the way he realistically could in order to not upset fans. That's why it was a "draw"
This guy 🤣
@@mando7323 "This guy 🤣" - 🤓
@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol 🫵🤡😂
@@mando7323 🤓🤓🤓
Just screw Broly right lmao broly was fighting ssb gogeta for a while before knocked out
I'm going to say something controversial which is I believe that Gohan beast at full power is stronger than Beerus. The reason I say this is because Beerus said that once Goku surpasses him in power he'd recommend Goku as a god of destruction candidate. Now Whis heard this and thus would know what beerus is looking for in beerus' successor. Before I finish my point when whis asked Goku and Vegeta he says would you like to be the next god of destruction once beerus kicks the bucket. But now Whis knows what beerus is looking for and after witnessing gohans full power and then his fight with broly Whis asked beerus if Gohan could be a god of destruction candidate. Now whis now knows what beerus wants someone more Powerful than him and knowing this he asked beerus about Gohan being the next god of destruction in which beerus said no. It was not because gohan wasn't strong enough it was because Gohan doesn't have destruction in his nature like I said this comment will probably be controversial but remember I'm taking what beerus said and whis question into consideration
I like how you could see those little details
Completely agree. Same reason I think Beast Gohan and Black Frieza are relative, with the difference being that Black Frieza has much better control of his power. Whis and Beerus thought Gohan had the power to be a candidate for Beerus, and Black Frieza was stated in VJump to be close to a God of Destruction's power. Veeeerrrryyy evident what the narrative is setting up
@@righteousone5119 now you I don't see your point there is no reason to think beast gohan is anywhere near frieza if he was it would've been stated by anyone on beerus's planet . I mean how is someone who can get punched in the face by blue vegeta anywhere near someone who can knock both goku and vegeta at full power with ease
@@JackRippa-bq9qo omg that was so CLEARLY a gag scene. You don't seriously think SS Goten and Trunks are fighting on equal footing with a Controlled SS Broly? It's possible Gohan is near Frieza's level, just wasn't mentioned and Gohan wouldn't have the control and command of his power to defeat Frieza anyway, that's why he's goes Berserk if he outputs too much of Beast's power.
@@righteousone5119 were trunks and goten shown punching or blocking broly ?
Whoever said he hasn’t been surpassed💀 has the most raw power maybe but still isn’t the strongest. Omen lvl at most.
Nah. Vegeta noted that Gohan's full Beast power surpassed the evasion speed of Ultra Instinct. Sign isn't doing a thing against a Beast Gohan who is able to even touch Complete UI Goku, let alone the fact that we don't know what Berserk Beast Gohan is capable of or how that power would even work.
My ears 😭 I love Goku too but damn 😭
Well, we’ve seen how it turns out at the End of Z, so we know Goku ends up strongest in the end, so 🎉 Goku
Vegeta is my boii and all. But until he learns and masters Kaioken. He will never be stronger
*edit* scratch that. Ultra ego would prob counter the kaioken boost now that I think about it
Vegeta needs to find his own path of UE, one that works with the man he is today. It's the main reason it didn't work for him in the Granolah Arc.
Its goku that is the strongest
Son Goku be the Monkey King 👑🥋
The answer is easy, Broly only as a SS1 is able to match the others in their strongest forms, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan have peaked with their transformstions, Broly only needs SS2 to leave them in the dirt, SS3 Broly would beable to overpower all 3 of them at once, Broly with SSG or SSB could likely 1 shot any of them.
SS2 or SS3 could do the one shot. SSG or SSB is just too much power 😅.
In the movie broly is the strongest all the promotional material for the movie says broly is the strongest except for one statement from toriyama that says gohan is the strongest
Toriyama never said that 💀 stop putting words in a dead man's mouth.
@@MajinUltraEgo-pv Toriyama actually did say that
goku end of dbs >>>>>> grand preist and zeno
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I'd give it to Broly. I feel like people are in such a rush to make Gohan the strongest because Beast is the cool new form. Everyone seems to ignore that Goku put up a better fight after he transformed again. Goku confirmed it wasn't about beating Gohan. If Gohan throwing Broly makes him stronger, then Goku knocking Gohan back with an air punch makes Goku stronger. We gotta remember that these weren't full-on fights, they were short spars so of course Broly didn't get considerably stronger. Ultra Instinct requires concentration so it's not like Gohan's "Knocking Goku out of UI" did any more damage than Goku did to Gohan. If you reread the chapter, Gohan was just as injured from Goku's attack as Goku was from Gohan's attack. I think Broly would be the strongest in a short term fight, he'd lose.
@@phantomrogue7894 the air punch reaction was way different than Beast knocking Goku out of UI. Goku was actually saying ouch and questioning Gohan lol…not even comparable instances
@@cajeb5396 I compared the air punch to Gohan throwing Broly, not Goku being knocked out of UI. I'm saying neither confirm they are stronger but if we are, we have to apply the same logic. Goku was surprised by Gohan's increase in strength but immediately fought on par with him after transforming again. I think they're all on par, but it depends on who has the best hax. Right now we don't know enough about beast. I just think a short spar isn't enough to say who is definitively stronger.
This is where I have it for Raw Power.
Broly Arc Super Sayian Blue Gogeta >> Broly Arc Full Power Broly >>> Black Frieza >= SH Beast Gohan > SH UE Vegeta >= SH MUI Goku >= SH SSJ Broly.
Reasoning:
Power wise UE Vegeta should have the capacity to surpass MUI Goku and SSJ Broly. SSJ Broly and MUI Goku both fought relatively with Beast Gohan, but MUI Goku did better.
Beast Gohan beat MUI Goku and SSJ Broly and likely would beat Vegeta if Gohan can beat Goku.
Goku said Gohan could handle any threat to earth. Black Freiza is a threat to earth. So Goku things Gohan is stronger then Granola Arc Black Frieza. However, I still put Black Frieza a little above because we don't know if Goku has a grasp on Black Freiza full power and we don't know if Black Frieza got stronger. (I don't think Black Frieza surpassed Blue Gogeta for reasons I'm about to explain)
We know Broly didn't have the capacity to go SSJ during Granola's Wish, so Full Power Broly wasn't counted. Full Power Broly could fight SSJ Gogeta, who is stronger then current Goku and Vegeta because of the Fusion multipler. If you really think current MUI Goku got stronger then ((T.O.P MUI Level × T.O.P Blue Evolved Level) × 50) you got to be kidding. He also omewhat fought Blue Gogeta, or at the very least he survived, which is very impressive. Blue Gogeta has statements putting him equal to Blue Vegito, and Blue Vegito has statements putting him at Beerus' level, which no other mortal character is. Also, again, if you thing current MUI Goku got stronger then ((T.O.P MUI Level x T.O.P Blue Evolved Level) × Blue Multipler) you have to be joking.
I actually think black Frieza is a lot stronger than Broly from the movie. He witnessed Gogeta bully Broly so he trained with that in mind. He’s made use of his monstrous potential (even if it isn’t better than Broly’s). 10 years is a long time to put in major improvement. I do not think gohan has come close to black Frieza’s power from the granolah arc because he just used a small demonstration to knock goku and Vegeta out. I’m willing to bet Frieza in his golden form could have done the same thing at that time if not still do some damage. Now if gohan trained in the time chamber for the same time Frieza has, then it’s a completely different story.
@@gammafrost Training with a level of strength in mind doesn't nessissarily mean he reached it. We also have confirmation that Black Frieza is weaker than Beerus while Gogeta Blue is on if not stronger than Beerus. And Broly was somewhat relative to that.
There is also the Fusion Multipler. However, I have a feeling that it might be thrown out soon as it doesn't make sense for Goku and Vegeta to be able to leap to multiple billions of times stronger within a few years.
@jeremymorris345 since when is gogeta stronger than beerus
@@jeremymorris345 during broly movie goku can't use mui at will untill moro arc
Ikari broly is on par with blue goku if he turns ssj that will be 50 times of blue. Blue goku flyaway dodging and deflect broly ssj ki blasts base gogeta do the same thing would make his base blue level bare minimum meaning ssj would 50 times of blue goku like broly and both on par with each other
Fusion is said by vados to be more than some of thier part combined and multiply 10 of times over didn't say strongest of them
@@devanplays3509 Since it was stated in the Black Arc
My there is bardock cursed or gifted goku with his wish to be the hero of the sayain race and redeem his people or gokus family is the actual royal family of the sayains and is a decedent of the first super sayain or sayain god and all of gokus children will carry this burden of bardocks wish birthing hero’s of the universe that’s that’s why vegeta call goku a hero in battle of gods and gohon plays as a superhero on earth literally the movie dbSsuperhero the whole point was gohan became the hero again like in cell games and saving the planet it makes sense bardocks wish means for then just live well
Gohan is fodder
Shithan fans = 🧠💀
Goku - Angel Path
Vegeta - God Path
Gohan - Kai Path
Piccolo - Dragon Path
Broly - Saiyan Path
Fake news
With Black Frieza being confirmed the strongest, it's obvious that the one of the saiyans would fight him to see who will claim the strongest.
Gohan beast being confirmed the "Strongest" in the interview by Akira
Vegeta UE being able to tank Gas' attacks
End of Z Goku being confirmed "Strongest" in a past interview.
Broly being able to keep up with Goku and Vegeta.
However, i think Toyo once said there would be no big recons for the end of z only some small changes meaning... Goku beats Black Frieza thus becoming the strongest mortal in the universe.
Ah but frieza was not confirmed to be the strongest as Goku asked whis if he was the strongest and whis responded with perhaps or the strongest could have awoken elsewhere.
This leaves things vague as to who the strongest in universe 7 truly is
Black Frieza was NEVER Confirmed the Strongest .... Stop lying
Black Frieza was never confirmed to be the strongest.
With where Goku is now, it's very plausible he surpasses Black Frieza and even Beast Gohan by the End of Z.
Gohan was the strongest Z fighter during the Superhero Movie and is confirmed still beyond Goku, Vegeta, and Broly. Plus, we don't know what Gohan is capable of when he goes Berserk, but presumably, he'd be MUCH stronger than Goku, Vegeta, or Broly.
Toriyama never said 💀 stop putting words in a dead man's mouth.
Disgusting Goku glazing here.
I think with Toriyamas death the Goku era is THANKFULLY coming to a close.
The boring and repetive tropes etc.
Its time for the younger characters
It's not goku glazing. Also, both goku and vegeta are set up to be beerus strongest rivals so they will surpass gohan again
toyotarou will probably continue the trend honeslty ,luckily he's on indefinite hiatus
@@darkman452 how that lucky
@@simpgod2170 for us not to see a replay nostalgia of the same stuff from z
@@darkman452 we've been seeing that since gt tbh lol