Judaism, Christianity and the Dead Sea Scrolls

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  • The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls has revolutionized our picture of the early history of Judaism and of the Jewish background of early Christianity. With the completion of the publication of the entire scrolls collection, it is now possible to draw significant conclusions from this treasure trove of ancient documents. This illustrated lecture by Professor Lawrence Schiffman will discuss the discovery of the scrolls, the archaeology of Qumran where the scrolls were unearthed, the nature of the library, and its significance for the study of Judaism, Christianity and their common destiny. [1/2003] [Show ID: 7032]
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  • @kfc667
    @kfc667 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bible: books have been MISTRANSLATED, books have been MISINTERPRETED, books have been RE-WRITTEN, books have been TAKEN OUT, books have ADDED, books have been LOST...even ADDED letters, songs & poems
    the Bible's 10 Commandments originated from the Egyptian Book Of The Dead (42 Declarations of Innocence) & the Babylonian Law Code (Code of Hammurabi). they are also CARVED/ENGRAVED on pyramids walls & tombs 1000's of years BEFORE the INVENTION of your religion
    recycled Egyptian hymns in the Bible

  • @FeatherRobert
    @FeatherRobert 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    A brilliant, enlightened scholar but some of Schiffman' s ideas are 'one person' theories. No-one lived 'in the buildings we are about to see'. He also thinks, wrongly, that the Qumranites' origins were Sadducean. He, however, never explains why the huge highly detailed Temple Scrolls never mentions Jerusalem and clearly describes the Great Temple at Akhetaton. Nor does the so-called New Jerusalem Scroll, or Ezekiel mention Jerusalem.

    • @GH-kt5fe
      @GH-kt5fe 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where are the treasures now. Can't answer that one?

    • @bloopblooper490
      @bloopblooper490 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GH-kt5fe Who cares? They're wasted is all we need to know, further than that, we wait, or find then in ourselves....

    • @andalusianguitarist
      @andalusianguitarist 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I once read from a certain source that the Essenes didn't hold any allegiance to Jerusalem and were linked with other Mystery schools from Egypt. In essence they were Gnostics and did not represent the mainline views of the Rabbinic Judaism of that time period.

    • @KingFeraligator
      @KingFeraligator 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Email Prof. Shiffman your quibbles. I'm eager to hear his response!

    • @johnjones8112
      @johnjones8112 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And he says all scrolls have been published. Simply a lie. Certain scrolls like the complete 1 Enoch scroll were hidden or "sold" and there are zero public records or publishing of the missing passages from the versions we have

  • @8elionadvancing884
    @8elionadvancing884 10 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    makes me laugh when atheists tell me that the dead sea scrolls prove Christianity existed before Jesus. Im like Yeah ,,,it was called JUDAISM LOL these are the same people who tell me they have read the bible over and over ,,,hmmm they have read the bible over and over but somehow they missed the fact that everyone in the book is Jewish? lol

    • @eniorj.jimenez3641
      @eniorj.jimenez3641 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As a Christian, I can't but tragically LOL!!! Sad but truth be told, your common Christian is not very bright when it comes to history, philology, and cultural context… even when it is in regards to our own faith!

    • @yusuftahir1743
      @yusuftahir1743 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      The "Christian" thing did not come from Paul. Greek was the lingafranca

    • @John-nr6gg
      @John-nr6gg 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But Christianity evolved from Judaism, with a dash of Hellenistic Mystery thrown in. Would it make you laugh if I told you that Clement Ader's Avion II proves that aircraft existed before the Wright Brothers? The Wright Brothers built on the knowledge of previous "not-quite-capable-enough" flying machines, to produce their Wright Flyer models. Likewise, the earliest Christians built on the "Christ knowledge" of Judaist heretics such as the remote desert Qumran community, who rejected the defeatist attitude of the Temple priests to the Kittim occupiers. That creed was then continued forward, via Paul, to morph into a creed that the likes of Constantine found very useful in holding Rome together. Nature abhors a vacuum; imploding Rome grasped at whatever would save them - and Christianity was it. In fact it was so much "it", that it has survived as a useful mechanism to this day - although Science, since the days of Copernicus and Galileo, has made the Church increasingly cough and splutter in its absolutist "certainties".

    • @Aenthel
      @Aenthel 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      John Carter
      is this akin to saying the predictive accounts of Judaism rang true ?

    • @John-nr6gg
      @John-nr6gg 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Teth Yes, but only to the ears of the faithful, and to this extent they gave the faithful hope, which is the basis of faith. Once each prophecy was made known to the people, it could not be revoked - after all, it came from God, through the prophet. So each prophecy built on the previous prophecies. It became like a deadly earnest game of Whispers, with each new prophecy adjusting the old to the new conditions. When the Temple priesthood finally surrendered to the unstoppable Roman occupation, "true" Judaism went underground, in the form of an alternative temple in the Wilderness, where new prophecies, on top of old, went on unabated, in the form of Wilderness life-style disciplines, preparations of war against the Romans, and an expectation of imminent salvation from God.
      One could interpret the events of Jesus' life and mission as a self-fulfilling prophecy - useful more for the fledgling Paul-led Christian community, than for anything that would benefit Israel.

  • @vgrof2315
    @vgrof2315 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Imagine thinking you should waste your life interpreting 2000 year old scraps of paper generated by a bunch of goofy liars who wasted their lives.

  • @neddyladdy
    @neddyladdy 11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Starts at 5:15

  • @richarddewitt2072
    @richarddewitt2072 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The "nonsense" that Schiffman skips over in the Aramaic Apocalypse (1:13:06) is the fulfillment of the messianic prophecy in the gospel of Luke 1:30-35 "Son of the Highest" and "the Son of God," compared to the text of the Aramaic Apocalypse (4Q246 II, 1) "son of God...son of the Most High." As for the the kingdom in Luke 1:33 "and of his kingdom there shall be no end." In the Aramaic Apocalypse (4Q246 II, 5) "His kingdom will be an eternal kingdom." Could it be a "Christianizing" of the DSS when infact the Aramaic Apocalypse was hidden away in cave 4 near the Dead Sea during the time of the writing of the gospel of Luke. From whence does Luke quote the messianic prophecy in the text of the Aramaic Apocalyspe?

  • @ahyaok100
    @ahyaok100 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i only trust objective analysis. too many interpretations from people with an agenda: jews, christians, and even muslims believe it or not since they're trying to backdate islam to the early decedents of abraham. i'm not religious but am fascinated with history and mythology.

    • @joebob5528
      @joebob5528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      OK but how do you decide who is being "Objective" The problem is most people think that only a Secularist is objective.

    • @toddmaek5436
      @toddmaek5436 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joebob5528 most religious people (particularly Abrahmic based) arent.

  • @queenfanpiper6299
    @queenfanpiper6299 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This was one of the most educational lectures I have ever watched. This dude knows his stuff!!!

  • @zthetha
    @zthetha 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is he shouting? Someone should explain the purpose and function of the microphone to this alleged expert. Is it merely a meaningless coincidence that immediately after Allegro published his thesis on approx 25% of the material, the other 75% was spirited away under the pretext of it being little bitty fragments of no great significance? If it was insignificant scraps why hide it for so long? That does not make sense! If orthodoxy wanted to silence Allegro - which they patently did - the best way to do it would be to give him this load of scrap and let him spend the rest of his life sifting through it to no avail. Clearly there is a very serious threat to the Church and it is reluctant to surrender its power over the minds of the gullible. Any organisation whose head is corrupt will inevitably be corrupt from top to toe.Today, one would have to have one's head firmly buried in the sand to be unaware that Catholicism is rotten through and through.

  • @RAZR_Channel
    @RAZR_Channel 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At this point I have heard 3 distinct versions of how the scrolls were found.
    1. A boy alone finds them in a cave, and the discovery was made.
    2. A boy alone finds them in a cave, he brings them to his father and they burn some in their dinner fire before realizing what they are.
    3. 2 Men found 1 cave with several jars, all empty except for one that contained 3 scrolls
    If they can't get the beginning of the story consistent, how can I take anything anyone says about these scrolls seriously?

    • @MWcrazyhorse
      @MWcrazyhorse 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was likely nr.1 then nr.3 two men taking credit and telling a tale of nr.2 because that's what people do. Make stuff up to embelish and have fun with it. What is key is the science. The dating of the material and analysis.

    • @saultg5496
      @saultg5496 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Multiple scrolls where found in different caves

    • @derwandereruberdemnebelmee282
      @derwandereruberdemnebelmee282 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saultg5496 Exactly. There isn't just one single cave.

  • @phoenixkennedy8363
    @phoenixkennedy8363 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pns p. 189 “bliss awaits those who can possibly make it through the tragedy of what has happened to Christ in the Church.”
    Ws p. 64 “As I now see it Christianity has perpetuated a shortsighted view of Christ and, consequently, a shortsighted view of the rest of us. Christ’s passage was the revelation of the passage of every human being, and any misreading of him is a misreading of the whole of humanity. Investigating Christ’s human experiences in terms of consciousness or self opens up a whole new dimension of his Truth and revelation, and not only his, but our own and that of the whole of creation.”
    Rc p. 282 “The mind can find no definitive satisfaction or fulfillment with mere concepts and hearsay. What man is seeking is the living experiential reality of the Truth, his own immediate experience of this truth. Until he does, he will go right on questioning and being dissatisfied. Even if man knew the truth, he could never be fulfilled by merely ‘believing’ it. He is only fulfilled by experientially living it - knowing it firsthand.”
    Ws p. 107 “To say that Christ’s self or consciousness was eternal gives an entirely different picture and meaning to Christ than if we say his self or consciousness was not eternal…I think the West will come upon its own set of problems when it faces the impermanence of Christ’s self or consciousness, but, at the same time, this will reveal an entirely new dimension of Christ’s revelation - of this I am certain.”
    Ws p. 156 “But who can understand death and resurrection coming after a life of union and oneness with God? Who can understand the true nature of this death and what the resurrection reveals of Christ’s divine nature? Because of this mystery I regard Christianity as the most difficult and mystical of all religions; Christ is the most unbelievable and unknown Truth there is - and the most difficult of all Truths.”
    Rc p. 78 “Sometimes the impression is given that Christianity has a monopoly on forgiveness, salvation, savior, eternal life, God’s Spirit, grace, and so on, when, in fact, Christianity took all this straight from Judaism! The revelation of ‘Christ’ had nothing to do with any of this and changed none of it.”
    Rc p. 83 “Basically, there is no such thing as ‘Christian mysticism’ because Christianity - transformation into Christ - is the essence of mysticism.”
    Rc p. 140 “To think the anthropomorphic biblical interpretation of God ‘generating’ or ‘begetting’ an Uncreated ‘Son’ could have justified a transition in the Church’s whole understanding of the Trinity and Christ, can only be put down as the most flagrant wrong turn in the entire history of Christianity.”
    Rc p. 144 “There has to be God (Logos) before there is any incarnation of the Logos - before there is any Christ and before there is the created man Jesus. No question, the Creed must be totally restated, Christians today are not the semi-polytheists of yesterday.”
    Rc p. 157 “To my knowledge, however, the Greeks never agreed hypostasis meant persona - and indeed it does not. In time, however, in the West at least, hypostasis and person were used as synonymous terms. So due to this error, there occurred another switch from the original hypostasis to person - a monumental wrong turn as regards a true understanding of the Trinity and Christ.”
    Rc p. 170 “Like the fathers, Christians would be horrified to think they were polytheists or believed in three gods. But this is why the Trinity is kept at a distance, declared a ‘mystery’ incapable of the human mind to grasp. This is also why the Trinity means relatively nothing to the average Christian and plays no part in his spiritual life.”
    Rc p. 201 “Sometimes we wonder how Western civilization ever became so self-oriented compared to other civilizations that were more oriented to the benefit of everyone over their individual selves. Well, who invented the individual and particular ‘person’ or self, and who gave it ontological priority over everyman’s common human nature? Christianity!”
    Rc p. 242 “What few people realize, however, is that the official Church or Christian language is totally premised on this use of idioms instead of on the truth of Christ.”
    Rc p. 248 “No question, the C of P is the most deceiving ruse in all of Christian history a ruse responsible for totally wrong views of Christ, the Trinity and the man Jesus.”
    Rc p. 249 “Yet the more divine one makes the Logos’ human nature, the more Christ fades from the picture and the more Christianity deteriorates to a Jesus-cult.”
    Rc p. 257 “But who knows what people think they are praying to or worshiping? We can probably say for certain they are not praying to the dual natures of Christ!”
    Rc p. 279 “Eliminate the term ‘person’, and how is Christ to be envisioned as a single being? Without theology’s absolute dependence on person as an individual being, its Christologies would go down like a row of dominoes.”
    Rc p. 291 “this is exactly what the Incarnation is telling us: not only is mankind not that bad, but rather, it is of greatest worth to God.”
    Rc p. 300 “Even the best of theologians are reluctant to admit any radical existential change in human nature - much less an ontological change. Instead, they assure us everyone will go on just the same - only better, of course.”
    Rc p. 318 “The day Christianity lost this understanding of deification as the way man is saved, is the day it lost Christ.”
    Rc p. 323 “That down the road, Christianity was turned into the narrow, naïve and childish view we have today - i.e., only the man Jesus is Christ, only Jesus could ever be eternally one with God - is the inevitable loss of the whole revelation of the Incarnation, and, consequently, of Christ and Christianity…Christianity’s exclusive, boxed-in view of Jesus and Christ, not only aborts man’s spiritual journey, but will be its own undoing - why? Simply because it is not the Truth of ‘Christ’.”
    Rc p. 335 “To say Christian theology is ‘complicated’ is the understatement of all time. It is an unadulterated mess. It so defies common logic as to require man to forfeit his intellectual integrity in order to ‘believe’.”
    Rc p. 465 “What is unfortunate, however, is those who write the history of the early development of Christian thought and doctrine, consistently rely on the present-day Aristotelian rendition of it. It could be said this is a deliberate attempt to eliminate any possible ‘Platonic’ understanding of Christ as a universal in order to make Christ solely one particular man - Jesus, of course.”
    Rc p. 486 “Loss of self is the very foundation of Christianity.”
    Ecc p. 82 “The primary purpose of my writing, however, was less the subject of no-self than to put into the field of Mystical Theology a whole stage of the spiritual journey presently missing.”

  • @FeatherRobert
    @FeatherRobert 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Around 1.22 into his lecture Schiffman refers to a 'nutty' but nice person. Lawrence is a fine scholar and a nice person, and I am the nice person he refers to. Unfortunately he badly misquotes me as saying the treasures of the Copper Scroll were brought out from Amarna, at the time of Akhenaton, He doubts Pharaoh Akhenaton had anything to do with the origins of monotheism and I, like Sigmund Freud, and dozens of other scholars, are wrong. What I have said, and it is fully documented in my books - The 'Copper Scroll Decoded' and 'The Mystery of the Copper Scroll of Qumran' is that some of the treasures described in the Copper Scroll were buried at Amarna, Knowledge of their whereabouts came down to the sectarians at Qumran and they copied the details onto the Copper Scrolls. It is patently clear, from other Dead Sea Scrolls, that the Qumranites knew a lot about Akhenaton's capital city. When I explored at Amarna, I noted a number of geographic sites that matched those listed in the Copper Scroll - and as a result was able to locate some of the treasures. Anyone, including Professor Schiffman can easily verify that the so-called New Jerusalem Scroll and Temple Scroll, of the Qumranites, and Ezekiel of the Bible, describe Akhetaton in accurate detail. The city was destroyed around 1320 BCE but archaeological work has revealed many of the features described in the above texts.

    • @EliezerPennywhistler
      @EliezerPennywhistler 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Robert Feather He said your theory is "nutty". Not you. If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them?

    • @jajanesaddictions
      @jajanesaddictions 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Robert Feather ego much. I thought he meant that other nutty one, Eisenman./

    • @EliezerPennywhistler
      @EliezerPennywhistler 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Robert Feather If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them? Why cant the rest of us see them?

    • @GH-kt5fe
      @GH-kt5fe 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is that the sound of crickets.

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd hardly call the major religions a problem. At least not Christianity, which drives people to be better then what they are. At least, it does if they're devote.
    There are a few exteme religions out there.

  • @mbahtdavid8529
    @mbahtdavid8529 11 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Praise YHWH!

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice opinion I guess, but you are mistaken. Cristianity will continue for a while.
    You can believe it's fake if you want, but there are still millions upon millions of believers out there and nothing will convince them they're wrong. It's why it's considered a faith, not a science. You can't just run a few test and prove it wrong.

  • @Khirbet
    @Khirbet 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Dear Eliezer,Just like Schiffman you misquote me. I said l located some of the treasure. There are items in various museums which are easily identified as being Egyptian. Read my books. There is Egyptian writing in the Copper Scroll.

    • @EliezerPennywhistler
      @EliezerPennywhistler 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Robert Feather I said, and I quote: "He said your theory is "nutty". Not you. If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where did you put them?"
      That is not misquoting you. It is not even quoting you. And I correctly quoted Prof. Schiffman, didn't I.
      Let's try again: If you claim you have found some of the treasures written about in the Copper Scroll, then where are they?

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert Feather so tell us where it is

  • @xelakram
    @xelakram 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I wish they'd make these wonderful videos with more visual clarity. It's most frustrating to watch a video that is so blurred.

    • @flatmoonsociety9933
      @flatmoonsociety9933 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's one of those high-tech Bigfoot cameras

    • @xelakram
      @xelakram 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@flatmoonsociety9933 What are those? Are you being serious? Or is this a joke? 🧩 😉

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I for one do not believe anyone has debunked Christianity. I came to my belief in it through my own studies of history and stats. IMO, it is statisticly very likely there is a God and Jesus. But this is just my personal belief.

  • @readu100
    @readu100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:02min ideas from the Qumran group filtered down to Christians in different ideas and ways in his opinion. As opposed to the idea that Christians were from the Qumran group.

  • @kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578
    @kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ..... and Islam.

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    question. what would u say to a european white, who wants to deport 'foreigners' out of 'his' country. ur claim on indiginous wouldn't work here.
    I believe the issue even in the US, is not about who is indiginous and who is not. It's that whites believe that they are the ones who made the society as it is today. all the prosperity. hence they claim that it's their right to exclusively enjoy 'their' achievements. Even in Australia, which is not 'their' land.(remember 'white policy of australia')

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    i can understand what you are saying. but still, to read the texts you need to read the language and more knowledge of the subject. I assume some Copt could help them. I can still guess that the info is filtered thru westren people which i don't understand why u so hate. I still don't think that they lie in these researches. if u hate the west so much, maybe u want to go back to Africa (?)

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah I got that ur an african. as for ur point, yes the ancient egyptians were african indeed. but they are different africans than what are today in the US or we see often. Egypt is mostly north africa, they have more african genes than people from Ethiopia/somalia for example (Y chromosome test). there are some interesting facts about them: /watch?v=Anf1cxheeS8
    surprisingly their descendents today, are christians, the Copts. notice they also look different from other egyptians.

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol. so we could argue on that for years. just do your research. but even if you are correct - Jesus is still an important figure in the westren culture. every religion - whether true or not, played an important role in shaping our lives. until today, probably some of our notions, values, come from all sorts of religions.
    Nevertheless, you've said you criticise only judaism and christianity, I ask u - what about Islam? Jesus is a figure in Islam too, and many of the stories too.

  • @netbuckler91
    @netbuckler91 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excuse me. I give you my best respect, but can I know the source of your words? Who says that Muhammad was suicidal? And what part of the Quran which says about Jesus crussifixion? Did you really even ever read Qur'an by your own eyes? Please, I am a moslem, but I definitely don't want to mock your religion, or anyone's. Every peoples have their own rights to believe in their religion. But your words about Islam is a religion of death is going too far.

  • @gardenweed
    @gardenweed 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    "okay first of all i have a question for you atheist. Why would you want to beleive in nothing?"
    Its not a question of wanting to believe or not wanting to believe. Who wouldn't want to believe that a paradise awaits us all? But wanting something to be true doesn't make it true. So how do you enjoy your eternity of love, knowing that the majority of people who have ever lived will be in an eternity of pain? Isn't this what you choose to believe? Or perhaps you don't want to believe that either?

  • @Metalhead3326
    @Metalhead3326 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    okay first of all i have a question for you atheist. Why would you want to beleive in nothing? isnt that torment, that means lifes has no purpose. That the purpose of life happened just be random chance, meaning you dont have a purpose but to die. Why would you want to believe in that? Woudln't you want to at least hope for a life of enternity of love? I have doubts but i will beleive because there has to be a purpose. And you underestimate gods power, he can change concepts of reality.

  • @totalammnesy
    @totalammnesy 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never heard of any christian religion stating that those scroll are directly related to christianity.
    Anyhow, all those anciant documents are in the end, the thoughts of the peoples who lived in thoses days. Up to a point where some of them are dairies. Who was born, where, who died and so on.
    What`s worrying is that theres alwayt a smart guy who seclude himsleft either in a cave or on the top of a mountain, and suddendly you know what? God chose him to chat... We heard that before.

  • @2ndSamuel710
    @2ndSamuel710 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mainz 1012, France 1182, Upper Bavaria 1276, England 1290, France 1306 & 1322, Saxony 1349, Hungary 1360, Belgium 1370, Slovakia 1380, France 1394, Austria 1420, Lyons 1420, Cologne 1424, Mainz 1438, Augsburg 1438, Upper Bavaria 1442, Netherlands 1444, Brandenburg 1446, Mainz 1462 & 1483, Warsaw 1483, Spain & Italy 1492, Lithuania 1495, Portugal & Naples 1496, Navarre & Nuremburg 1498, Brandenburg & Prussia 1510, Genoa 1515, Naples 1533. SOME of the 100 times Jews thrown out of countries. Why

  • @synch1216
    @synch1216 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ure rite-people will continue to fraternize as Christians even tho the religion has been consistently debunked to the point where its now in the intellectual weight-class of HarryPotter.
    However,as the world becomes more secular-humanist, people's reason for sticking with a religion are more practical: for friends and family instead of actually believing and following the Scripture they are told.
    We live in a time wherereligion as a whole is being seenfrom a social perspective asa problem.

  • @peacegrip
    @peacegrip 16 ปีที่แล้ว

    just imagine your beliefs are buried somewhere and u dig them out and start believing them or reject them,, NOT A SINGLE original document is there of any bible NEW OR OLD TESTAMENT which proves the bibile of today is from godly sources, people who believes these bibles of mark luke or paul etc is not believing that they are from god almighty but from these people,,, imagine people worshipping peoples' creation!!!!

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    it is not about land and resources. these whites claim that 'everyone should be where he belong', or all types of that. these europeans don't like that fact that only 'their' countries are subjected to immigration from africa and others. yet africa barely have any whites today. look at countries like saudi arabia, iran, and more. usually they have no minorities in them

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol, what do you want for me?
    it's nothing about religion even. you have a right to believe in whatever you want. (as long as u don't hurt others)
    the letter 'J' is not interesting. lol. u know, we just talk in English. they could be called 'yahud', or 'al-yahud'. in arabic too. or in many other language. how your claim prove anything..

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    lol. at least half of the jews in Israel are from islamic countries. (middle eastren or asia). that is toatlly refute your claim?
    what about them? do they have right to be there?
    this has nothing to do with religion or 'chosen'. the issue is that jews today exist. and for them to claim tiny piece of land is not bad or irrational.

  •  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Catherine, I'm catolich techer and don't speak english, but I'm sad fot you and religion. I think that God is the most powerfull of universe; in the Bilbe said that "God can everything". Can you think taht God may exist one Religion (Catholic) 2000 years and not disaperes itif onu error. This is one error of men/women meants. God is love. Happy Chrismast. Scuseme my bad english

  • @CarmineFragione
    @CarmineFragione 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @healthyone100 Look, if you can prove that vegetarians live to be 175 years old and never curse their neighbor, you might have something, otherwise, if we do not eat the cows, they die anyway. Eat to live, don't live to eat. God would not be presented as a Shepherd King of Israel, if they ate carrots.

  • @ThW5
    @ThW5 14 ปีที่แล้ว

    Highly suspect list, Belgium did not exist in 1370, Jews were in 1444 banned from the CITY of Utrecht IN the Netherlands, not from the Netherlands at all, (a rather LIGHT ban, actually, visiting during the day was allowed, and Jews owning , doing bussiness in that city were allowed to live in a village just a few hours distant, comparable to Venice's ghetto, to a degree).

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    what about islam? why u only mention these two religions?
    u forget that Islam invaded Egypt too. from arabia. and to persia as well.
    Islam is relatively new relgion. the ancient egyptians had their own religion (which do not exist today), and persains had too (zoroastrians, barely anymore of them).

  • @MrRebwar1983
    @MrRebwar1983 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, but the scrolls match with the Islamic belief and principles especially the description of Jesus (Teacher of Righteousness). Jesus is not son of God. "Why the scrolls are hidden from people?" Why people are not allowed to see, read, interpret and understand them?

  • @healthyone100
    @healthyone100 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    This professer has all this knoweldge ,but does not have a clue or he does not what to have one, that our bodies are gods temple 1cor 3:17 1cor 6;19 john and JESUS WERE ESSENES AND ALSO VEGAN THIS GUYS GOD IS HIA BELLY PHILL 3:19 GENESIS 1:29

  • @synch1216
    @synch1216 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most of what society would call "good" Christians are the ones who are NOT devout, and this is what more and more people are beginning to realize.
    Devout means being a Creationist, it means viewing other human beings as damned.

  • @MrRebwar1983
    @MrRebwar1983 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    If what you say is true, why the scrolls are hidden from people? Why people cannot have access to those scrolls which are secretly kept in Vatican and Israel??? Let people see the truth...

  • @gameteller5000
    @gameteller5000 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Many of the rules/ regulations in the Quran can also be found in the Bible. Humans also reject God. They're is evidence for God you just haven't found it yet.

  • @nutmegger1957
    @nutmegger1957 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's amazing to ME, that you can get context and content at all, from some of the fragments presented.

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  • @barmeyroberts8262
    @barmeyroberts8262 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    31 ad earth quake Matthew 27:50-52 "And behold,the veil in the temple was torn from top to the bottom and the earth did quake and the rock's rent."

  • @gameteller5000
    @gameteller5000 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bible has 10 cases on incest and 7 suicides and isn't complete it lacks many books such as the Gospel of Thomas, Enoch and Solomon

  • @1allstarman
    @1allstarman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    @ 1:19:01 " I actually edited this document for publication " Why would you edit an historical document ?

  • @BackToOrthodoxy
    @BackToOrthodoxy 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the book of Isaiah all the prophesies about Jesus Christ are the same as the bibles. The bible is not corrupt like Muslims always claim to be.
    I also suggest you check out the Meshe Stele

  • @cathyreddy6297
    @cathyreddy6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is Matthew in the bible! Matthew, not the entire book. God bless America! 1252Ad about!
    May the depth of God's relationship, become closer in relationship to our trust! God in seas! Our Love be seen by seas! Remain in our trust in standards! God's blessings standards! Remain in. In peace not a relationship in demons.

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm probably not a "great" christian, but I do believe in creationism and sadly, I believe if you don't believe in Jesus and God, that youa re damned. Course I don't use this as an excuse to be rude. I also do try not to offend people who believe something other then what I believe.
    I guess I'll just get back to my original point. Christianity isn't likely to vanish any time soon. If anything, it'll probably exist longer then any religion in the past thanks to technology.

  • @pleromicpastry5445
    @pleromicpastry5445 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He looks like a young Jerry Springer dressed as a Rabbi. :) Thank you for sharing this lecture. On TH-cam, there's lots of historical information about the physical scrolls and conservation of them but not a lot about the content. This vid was a nice balance.

  • @cathyreddy6297
    @cathyreddy6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Endeavours are rejoices! Stand on in trust, in me( Jesus Christ saviour!). Christ Saviour! Holy in saviour!

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    might be. I don't agree with you though. regardless of religion, jews have a right to own a tiny piece of land too.

  • @gameteller5000
    @gameteller5000 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Quran actually have a great deal in common. Watch Joshua Evans Islam in the Bible. It shows similarities

  • @cynthiasagar542
    @cynthiasagar542 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Bible is true.
    It's ahead of science,
    Ref Job 26:7 (intergalactic gravitational force), Job 36:27-28 (Water cycle), Job 28:5 ( presence of Lava beneath the soil).
    All these were written thousands of years before we could discover them.
    It's ahead of history,
    Ref Ezra 1:1-3 (Acts of Cyrus the great).
    Isa 45:1-3 and 13 (were prophecied 170 years BEFORE Cyrus was born).
    Daniel 8:21-22 ( The death of Alexander and the division of his kingdom among his 4 generals was prophecied about 2 centuries before Alexander was born).
    All prophecies about Jesus' coming came true. What's more, even today's Lockdown and our home confinement had been prophecied in
    Isa 26:20 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.

  • @joebob5528
    @joebob5528 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    GOD gave EVERYONE Freewill, so NONE have an excuse when they choose NOT to believe! There are going to be an awful lot of people claiming OH SHIT! If you are not alive when he returns then ALL will be resurrected for the Great White Throne Judgement. Just as the Bible says EVERY Knee shall bow! You do not go to hell (separation from GOD) because of your sin. You will end up there because you Chose to reject Christ! It is easily the most important choice of your life. I recommend everyone treat it that way. Research is NOT about finding a bunch of people that share your belief and concluding somehow you are right!

  • @tonymalone501
    @tonymalone501 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The essence of Atwill's discovery is that the majority of the key events in the life of Jesus are in fact satirical: each is an elegant literary play on a military battle in which the Jewish armies had been defeated by the Romans. This is an extraordinary claim-but supported by all the necessary evidence..

    • @jayholloway7874
      @jayholloway7874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for Mentioning this ! I am a whistle Blower too !

  • @lb2314
    @lb2314 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    i don't mean to be a mood killer but he sounds like Mort Goldman off fam guy to me o_O

  • @joanofarc6402
    @joanofarc6402 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank God!! The entire world is so stupid!! I can’t believe we can get up and function without ancient Jews telling us how.

  • @Mustaza5
    @Mustaza5 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    if all jews memorize scriptures like muslim....u dont need any scroll.

  • @MurrayEstes
    @MurrayEstes 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's a lot more important to understand why a toad likes to swim in the water. Religious vomit is such a waste of time....

  • @jenschristiansen9490
    @jenschristiansen9490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you are interested in the content of the Dead Sea scrolls, you can skip the first 40 min.

  • @joanofarc6402
    @joanofarc6402 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can Jews ever get through a lecture without bashing Christianity??

  • @peterhenry939
    @peterhenry939 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Essene sect gave rise to orthodox Christianity through the apostle Paul and to Islam through James, the Ebionites, and the believers movement. The first commander of the faithful depicted on Islamic coins is depicted holding a cross and the inscription in the Dome of Rock says that Jesus is the prophet of Allah. Islam is the result of the followers of the Qumran sect after 100s of years of modification. Rabbinic Judaism has nothing to do with Qumran or the Essenes.

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      peter henry you’re high and have no idea what you’re talking about. Islam is an amalgamation of Christianity, Zoroastrianism, Judaism and everything else mo could steal.

  • @peterhenry939
    @peterhenry939 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nonsense! Rabbinic Judaism comes from the Pharisee sect. A sect which only had 6000 adherents in the time of Josephus. The Essene sect had as many and the most popular sect during Josephus time was founded by Judas of Galilee. Archeology is beginning to show that his followers were the Qumran sect. They did not know the Talmud or the Mishna. The Pharisees were crucified by the Maccabean King Alexander Jannaeus who said they were collaborators. Later they said that Vespasian was the messiah.

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      peter henry nonsense. Why was Jesus quoting the Talmud? You’re a moron.

  • @yolomichael
    @yolomichael 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the Dead Sea scrolls we found manuscripts of Isaiah that are were written before 100 B.C. Isaiah says this…
    The suffering servant is called sinless (53:9), he dies and rises from the dead (53:8-10), and he suffers and dies for the sins of the people (53:4-6). These characteristics are not true of the nation of Israel. The Isaiah Scroll gives us a manuscript that predates the birth of Christ by a century and contains many of the most important messianic prophecies about Jesus.

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Smith get lost. That has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

  • @swandike
    @swandike 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @violetlightburst well said. But do you know christianity and judaism is not the only religion on this planet? Every culture has some form of religion and they were practised before they got discovered. ask yourself then, how did it happen that all these people found the need to believe in God or some gods? It could not have been simultaneous that these other prople invented religion to control their people.some atheist disprove this statement and say religion was not invented.

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      swandike because they know something momentous happened at Mount Sinai and they want to be a part of it

  • @CarmineFragione
    @CarmineFragione 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    there were Aramaic Jews who were Roman Citizens and served in the Legions in the area of Judea. So it should not be ruled out that a structure served as a Roman Fortress. Not all Jews were Zealots and at war with Rome, many Jews were Roman Citizens and many Jews lived in the City of Rome. No one should be intentionally pandering to false beliefs that the Jews were united against the Hellenic World. Such a belief is mythological. The Truth is more shocking and lost to us.

    • @sheriecooper4260
      @sheriecooper4260 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am certain you are correct and we will never understand that era completely.

  • @TheBlue190
    @TheBlue190 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i know the guy that was involved with the dead sea scrolls.

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    death sea scrolls are written in HEBREW. and found on 47'-48' and later.
    yeah it was worth to come to Israel to find that out.
    Islam has nothing to do with this land

    • @feduntu
      @feduntu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It never did and never will

  • @cathyreddy6297
    @cathyreddy6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Heaven ruled that area in 1250-1350 Ad! So neat

  • @jayholloway7874
    @jayholloway7874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Catholic Church knew and still knows that ONLY THE JEWS ARE QUALIFIED TO DISCREDIT CHRISTIANITY & THUS THE HOLOCAUST . and this might come again Brothers and Sisters of TRUTH EMET אמת

    • @jayholloway7874
      @jayholloway7874 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jesus is a Roman construct to eradicate Jews and Judaism. Here is a Hitler quote "UNSER BEWEGUNG IST EIN CHRISTLICHE BEWEGUNG" translation "OUR MOVEMENT IS A CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT"

  • @vollinaadkins8118
    @vollinaadkins8118 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    +(I)+ mean 15 years ago you did Good, ... 👏

  • @shaneburleson6829
    @shaneburleson6829 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What!?

  • @MrRebwar1983
    @MrRebwar1983 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dead Sea Scrolls prove that Islam is a right path

  • @hamidmomand
    @hamidmomand 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    where is the part he proofs islam is wrong???

  • @meredithbishop3227
    @meredithbishop3227 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This professor is great and has a great sense of humor! Thank you this is very informative

  • @jerryowen5053
    @jerryowen5053 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting study

  • @joaquinalonso6525
    @joaquinalonso6525 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have made a video (part 2 in a series) that examines the prophecies in Ezekiel, Daniel, and Zachariah. They all differ as to who will be the King in the Age to come. The only way to make all three prophecies fit together is to believe that there will be a man who is King and that man will also be God.

  • @georgemakary5127
    @georgemakary5127 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Exactly what is he saying?

  • @cghkjhjkhjhvfghc
    @cghkjhjkhjhvfghc 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shout outs first, let everyone know where the moneys coming from... Didn't make it it past the introduction.

    • @4memotivation
      @4memotivation 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      RG you’ll be sorely missed

  • @cathyreddy6297
    @cathyreddy6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    God our trust! Compassion

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    well, that is partially correct. that depends how much time has passed though. I never said that any of the religion is correct. everyone is free to believe in whatever he wants, even if it false.
    as for u question. for jesus, I think that science agree that he indeed existed. Abraham and Joseph is more ancient though.

  • @cathyreddy6297
    @cathyreddy6297 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Compassion is our saviour!

  • @ac-uk6hs
    @ac-uk6hs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great lecture. Thank you

  • @gameteller5000
    @gameteller5000 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Islam seems more logical and right

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    While obviously I can't say you're wrong, I can't say you're right. I'm not sure there's been a major religion like Christianity that's passed away in recent times.
    My, I personally will continue to live as much like a true Christian as I can and when I have kids, I will teach them to live in the same manner. This is all we who believe in the one true God and savior can do.

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    So basicly while I find the statics in favor of God, I won't deny you might look at the same data and come up with your own spin (which I find most Atheist simply try to write it all off as conicidence.) Thus I ended with the "But this is just my personal belief" because it seemed like the safest ender for a topic that could be as volital as a can of gas.
    I won't lie, I think the odds of there being a God are so great, it's not shocking most people believe in some sort of higher form.

  • @FeatherRobert
    @FeatherRobert 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not excited 'excavated'

  • @jajanesaddictions
    @jajanesaddictions 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    L.S. cracks me up~ He has more energy than half the teenagers I know. He is a wealth of knowledge, even if it's his own opinion.

    • @jajanesaddictions
      @jajanesaddictions 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Jay Carlsen I think his back is bothering him, he keeps trying to stretch it. That Beard is heavy.

    • @ashercohen387
      @ashercohen387 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I Love and respect Dr. Schiffman. He is one of the most brilliant Jewish Minds of modern day. I would give anything to take his classes.

  • @motorhead6763
    @motorhead6763 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    PS there is no new testament fragments in DSS...none

    • @radiant111
      @radiant111 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      motorhead not true I know of 1 quote

  • @JosephGrutt
    @JosephGrutt 15 ปีที่แล้ว

    The thing about numbers is, I can give you them, yet you'll probably still say coincidence.
    Like the odds of accidently calling your friends dad instead of your friend a week before he passes away, then getting your friend to call his dad just in time for the two to finally make peace. To me, something like that is so completely impossible, only with the hand of God could it actually happen.
    Through studying history, the bible to history and bilbe to itself (NT vs OT), I feel it's true.

  • @readu100
    @readu100 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:09 when messiah comes, the opposing Jews (to the writers of this text) will be destroyed, then all the other nations. However it also says the opposite, that all nations will worship God. The destruction of the 'bad ' Jews which one can on,y presume is talking about the Pharisees as they had opposing beliefs to the Quram sect is also preached by Jesus in the gospels.

  • @melkissedec1
    @melkissedec1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    John 14:16 And I (Jesus)will pray The Father (Jehovah)and He will give you another Comforter (Melchizedek)The Holy Spirit...

  • @dr.yahkovabyisrael6969
    @dr.yahkovabyisrael6969 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Archiological ethnicity forensic question: Were the skeletons excavated at Qumran of European or Negroes ?
    Please no racist comments or reply. This is a very serious question.

  • @SuperDivineTrinity
    @SuperDivineTrinity 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there, it is I Melchizedek but better known here among you all as The Comforter Holy Spirit, the same Jesus sent to do the SECRET rapture soon.

  • @judaicaman007
    @judaicaman007 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn't it hilariously funny that the masoretic Rabbi''s who lived at the time of Jesus who kept these books in their pristine condition to this very day, and whom Jesus said "Listen to them" knew all about the Book of Isaiah and could not for the life of them ever believe in him as a messiah, let alone a man-god, ie PAGAN IDEA! Wake up pagan! A suffering servant is NOT God. Never was, never will be! ALL PAGANS believed it THEN cept for Jews, including jesus!

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    AFAIK, 'jew' derived from the tribe of Judah, after the exile (Diaspora), all the tribes were lost, and only tribe of judah and those been with it survived. so then, the name 'jew' was used.
    the name is definitely not from Europe. as there were jews in many other places as well. For example, Jesus lived around the 20 BCE was already called 'jewish', and he didn't live in Europe, he was from the Gallilee. that refute your claims.

  • @grabthisjoke9797
    @grabthisjoke9797 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    u need to research more on egyptian texts. there is indeed mention of 'Israel'. look for example at "Merneptah Stele". (can be viewed in Cairo museum today.)
    if you are interested, some even identified people in the texts who match with the figuers of Joseph. and more.. btw these figures are approved by the all three religions.

  • @personaldove
    @personaldove 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    convert to islam