Your channel inspired me to start my channel. I'm already working on a script. And I'm not a beginner I already have 3 monetize faceless channel but still it's very difficult for me to research
Loved the video! I first started with Long Tail Pro in 2012 and my online ventures went from there. I haven’t found a quick way of making tons of money online. It took me 6 or so years to start earning good money from my TH-cam channel so don’t give up just yet!
Knock Knock...Great work Spencer, amazing and informative video as always! Most people only talk about their successful pursuits, and then there is Spencer!
I wish I had watched this video before starting my own faceless TH-cam channel! These tips are so helpful and would have saved me so much time and trial-and-error. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience, it's never too late to learn and improve as a content creator (Recently, I discovered that using a little bit of Famester also helps massively for getting more views and growing my channel even more). Keep up the great work!
Succeeding springs from our failures! This video is truly invaluable, far surpassing the multitude of misleading, shortcut-promising videos peddled by other channels.
LOL Great video! The key takeaway for me is that any kind of channel you need to be hyper aware of things like copyrights and trademarks. IT's just not worth dabbling there unless you really know what you're doing.
Spencer, your b-rolls acting is next level!!! Lol loving your contents for 2 years now. One day, I will get to email you of my success story 😊🙏🏻 Merry Christmas!
Love the new style videos Spencer. Really the only faceless YT worth doing is product reviews. I sold a faceless YT channel for 6 figures which I started in 2018 and sold in 2022. It has to have an affiliate angle imo
How did the NFL channel you mentioned get permission to use NFL videos? Somehow they're getting around all that copyright concern you ran into, right? ... all that pre-game NFL and Network disclaimer legal stuff we always hear on NFL televised games, no rebroadcast without express written permission. BTW, doing faceless videos is a LOT of work on your own, even using stock footage with commercial permissions. Choosing a weak topic/niche has to be avoided. Thanks for sharing all the valuable insight, this was a great video, Spencer.
I'm also doing the movie niche, but it's increasingly difficult on TH-cam. My channel also saw some rapid growth, but then stopped due to 1 or 2 videos being flagged. Although the videos were removed, I'm experiencing some kind of "shadow ban" that keeps it from growing. Similar case to yours. I'm having some success outside of TH-cam though, so I'm not dropping this niche.
Interesting.. Thanks for sharing this detailed case study. Out of all the niches, I am shocked you went with a Movie recap channel. How did you think you would not get any copyright strikes? Or did you think you could just beat them all? I have to admit, part of me thinks you may have possibly used someone eles's case study. I like your channel and content, I am not trying to hate on you. But I know you are strategic and just can't see you settling on that niche idea.
Thanks for the video just a question when you say social blade is pretty accurate do you mean the high or low end they give because it's very big range, thanks
Every video I watched had had the same experience, so let's all brainstorm together, what could be the solution to being demonetize or not getting monetize?
well just a sugestion, dont only recap movies from one country but also from different countries. also encourage viewers to watch different videos in end by suggesting and lure people with giveaways!
Does anyone know how long it can be used without infringing copyright? It is usually recommended to trim every 3 seconds, but I have tried using up to 10 seconds without trimming and have not encountered any copyright infringement. However, when using 20 seconds I already got a violation.
Hi Spencer. Thank you for this video. I was following you a lot few years ago and now a bit less but still like to get good content to watch like this. I am wondering if you still have your own niche sites. I remember that you had one in home improvement and also that you bought a expensive mommy blog. And what about your FBA business, are you still doing it?
When you do affiliate marketing or promoting your service/website in the video description is it needed first to have 4000 watch hours and 1000 subscribers? Also not monetizing with youtube adsense. 235k views and only got 940 subscribers from it ? Is this not a low sign up rate ?
On that faceless youtube channel. I've just watched the video. I have a few thoughts. - There's no music in the background, it feels so boring listening to the guy talk without a layer of music underneath. Add music underneath them. - Also I think on that channel you should focus on videos that people hold an attachment to for example the Chris Kyle movie is a bio-pic on a vet. Try maybe making videos around popular movies in niches as you branch out. For example: reviewing anime movies. So many die hards in that niche, plus there will be a lot of engagement. Otherwise good luck
I absolutely love your channel. I have 3 tips to improve that channel. 1st tip: Delete the American Sniper video and never make any new summaries of Warner Brothers movies! Think that will solve your problem? 2nd tip: Never mention the name of the movie in the title or description. It will be harder for the companies to find your recaps and stop them? 3rd tip: Your thumbnails should be improved. Well, to be honest. They s*ck!
I have checked your videos, as far as I know TH-cam allows only 3 seconds clip could be used without copyright, but you are using a lot longer clips and so many clips of each movie. So, How did you got your $2000 earning? You said you got some copyrights on other videos also but you managed to win the case, how??
Spencer another amazing video ans I love the effort of putting in to create the content of the video. But i believe other channels which you showed didn't get a copyright strike as they are making content on those topics which don't have a big corporate behind the video such as DoDo channel making dog videos. Nonetheless great content as always 👍
@@animalrave7167 Thanks. This is the one thing I haven't been able to wrap my head around. Like the airplane/aviation example Spencer used. Where in the heck do they get that content? There several helicopter videos/channels about military helicopters and the content is incredible. I figure there has to be a repository with all the content and they are paying big bucks for it.
Super sexy video Spencer, but I'm expecting this yt numbers comparison with blogging too in terms of earnings and things. Like you've made 1k following these numbers via TH-cam but how much you could make if you've got the same numbers in your blog.
If you keep the virial video going, create lots of cards at the top directing to new videos, also max out the end screen. Keep rotating the cards till one sticks, and target low view parts of the video where people may click off. Take the virial video and split it into pieces and create shorts of it. You should get monetized on those, but it won't be as much. Also, I would not go near Movies or Sports...copyright claims will be rough from my limited knowledge. I did try movies once, I couldn't get one video to work without claims... My faceless is about 1 month in. 180 subscribers and 1,000+ watch hours. I am helping with the ideas, editing the scripts, doing the voiceover and checking all the edits. Will see how it goes, traffic did go down a bit the last few days however.
Dude! Delete the video that WB claimed! Geez! WB is notorious for doing this stuff and a large YT channel, ComicBookCast2, quit talking about WB news for a while because they kept hitting his channel, then he decided to still cover WB stuff, but he found a workaround for it. Delete the video that they claimed and you need to add more ad slots to your existing videos to increase the revenue. It's a known fact that you can add 10 ad slots to a video and the viewer will not see all 10 ads, but you will have more opportunity for the viewers to see more targeted ads during your videos. I'd make these changes and keep this channel going for another year and then make a final decision.
Question: I do not understand why you did NOT take the video down that Warner Brothers were profiting from. Please explain why you allowed that video to generate money for them. Make it make sense.
You didn’t do two things basic mentioned in the TH-cam Automation classes..1. They almost all say to do it yourself to learn and get results before paying for someone else..2. Don’t take clips from movies that have possible copyright issues..Most say at most 6 seconds of other copyright material AND it needs to be transformative..They tell you in the class not to do what you did at many places on TH-cam Automation..It’s like you or the person you got info from never did even one TH-cam automation course..
Have you ran in to any issues with shorts getting 0 views because youtube isn't pushing the videos at all? I have a shorts channel and its views are lacking extremely. I have 18 videos up and upload 1 per day but I cant progress with such poor performing videos
To be fair, looking at the American sniper video, I can see why it got demonetised. The video itself is just literally running commentary over real time clips of the film. It's a cut and paste job. That would not classify under 'transformative content' as you're not actually doing anything with the footage other than just showing it without original audio. I would have said from the start this is a losing formula because you are not adding any original footage or changing it and adding your own take. I have friend with similar channel at 50k subs and he has to avoid copy and pasting clips for anything longer than 3-5 seconds. He says channels like this get demonetised ALL the time (especially in the movie review niche.) It's notorious for this so I'm surprised that you are surprised(?) You would have been much better off using still shots of each scene then adding basic overlays like grain or bokeh effects, simple moving graphics (like arrows, interesting subtitles from the V/O etc) and interesting music because that itself would have consisted as transformative. Is a shame because the concept clearly worked and this video blowing up alone may have made it worth continuing but the use of bulk footage with commentary was risky for a movie review channel. Is weird that it only applied to this video but I guess Warner only pursue profitable videos. I think for everyone else it's essential to research pitfalls not just profits when starting faceless channels. Wishing you all the success tho with other channels tho honestly
Why not just to delete or make that one video private. You are not earning anything and it’s just getting all the impressions from the other videos. So I would recommend: 1. Delete that video 2. Improve the packaging (thumbnails/ title ) for other videos. And I’m sure the money (I mean views) will come
You guys didn't choose a high rpm niche and the copyright issue should have been anticipated. As far as movie recaps, entertaining movie reviews do better
Because we still gets lots of subscribers to that video. WB making money isn't hurting us. If we can't make money, I don't really care if someone else is.
@@niche-pursuits do you mean subscribers from the video .in other words,People who watched the video who then subscribe, leading to those who subscribed will hopefully watch more videos thus raising the profile of the overall site. Is that the goal, if so is that working.?
Spencer, what made that one video popular? Sniper? Seems like violence, heartfelt, controversy, zany and the like are the winners. Get on one of these and deal with copyright and success rates should be higher?
Next time, use the fair usage approach. Though, this is hard to implement in a movie review channel.. Otherwise, add your personal face at the sidebar running a commentary with the volume of the video turned down
I know you're not planning on posting anymore to that channel, but I would take down that American Sniper video. If you can't earn money on it, why let Warner Brothers earn money on it? They have enough money, don't let them take this for free.
So basically faceless TH-cam channels are a viable way to generate revenue and to get out of the rat race. Key takeaway, start a channel that you will not have to utilize anything that could be a possible copyright infringement, if you do take it down and stop putting money in those people's pockets, keep working at it don't quit and most importantly don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't accomplish. Cool, thanks.
I have been at it for 6 years now as a faceless channel. It isn’t easy. Those telling you it is easy are lying to you.
Your channel inspired me to start my channel. I'm already working on a script. And I'm not a beginner I already have 3 monetize faceless channel but still it's very difficult for me to research
Correct
Congrats on 1+mil subs man. I've definitely watched one of your vids before.
it's not easy definitely, but it's possible. I'm a newbie on this and I'm just trying this for fun and of course for a passive income!
what tools do you use to create vids? you seem established
Loved the video! I first started with Long Tail Pro in 2012 and my online ventures went from there. I haven’t found a quick way of making tons of money online. It took me 6 or so years to start earning good money from my TH-cam channel so don’t give up just yet!
Oh wow, an OG LTP user. Thanks!
Your case studies are awesome Spencer. Thank you!
Knock Knock...Great work Spencer, amazing and informative video as always! Most people only talk about their successful pursuits, and then there is Spencer!
This is so meta...thanks Charles!
thank you for not blurring the end, i see you save the good stuff for last
Wow, love the transparency here Spencer! Looking forward to more updates on your second channel 😅
I wish I had watched this video before starting my own faceless TH-cam channel! These tips are so helpful and would have saved me so much time and trial-and-error. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience, it's never too late to learn and improve as a content creator (Recently, I discovered that using a little bit of Famester also helps massively for getting more views and growing my channel even more). Keep up the great work!
I'm digging your videos Spencer. Super informative! Thank you!
Glad you like them!
Succeeding springs from our failures! This video is truly invaluable, far surpassing the multitude of misleading, shortcut-promising videos peddled by other channels.
Thank you!
LOL Great video! The key takeaway for me is that any kind of channel you need to be hyper aware of things like copyrights and trademarks. IT's just not worth dabbling there unless you really know what you're doing.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Exactly, you need to put in serious effort...even with a faceless youtube channel.
Thanks for letting us know the outcome! I've always been curious about these types of channels.
Great video so informative! Thanks for sharing!
I love that you own up to your mistakes, now I am praying for your success!!!
😊
Thank you. I'm starting a youtube channel. This proves that with good content you can be successful.
Thanks for this honest and informing video about faceless channels, because I'm interested in creating more of them that stay monetized.
You are very welcome!
Thanks for the honest recap. Movie niche has always seemed difficult to me with low RPMs and constant copyright concerns. Best of luck with the next!
Thank you!
I gotta laugh, the instant you said the channel topic I knew you’d get shut down for copyright. I’m surprised you went forward with that topic
Spencer, your b-rolls acting is next level!!! Lol loving your contents for 2 years now. One day, I will get to email you of my success story 😊🙏🏻 Merry Christmas!
haha...I'm not sure Hollywood will come knocking anytime soon...but I'm enjoying it!
Love the new style videos Spencer. Really the only faceless YT worth doing is product reviews. I sold a faceless YT channel for 6 figures which I started in 2018 and sold in 2022. It has to have an affiliate angle imo
That's awesome!
Great video, Spencer! I like your sence of humor 😅
Thanks man, appreciate it!
How did the NFL channel you mentioned get permission to use NFL videos? Somehow they're getting around all that copyright concern you ran into, right? ... all that pre-game NFL and Network disclaimer legal stuff we always hear on NFL televised games, no rebroadcast without express written permission. BTW, doing faceless videos is a LOT of work on your own, even using stock footage with commercial permissions. Choosing a weak topic/niche has to be avoided. Thanks for sharing all the valuable insight, this was a great video, Spencer.
Its great to know the opportunity and possible threat of the faceless channel. Thanks
I'm also doing the movie niche, but it's increasingly difficult on TH-cam. My channel also saw some rapid growth, but then stopped due to 1 or 2 videos being flagged. Although the videos were removed, I'm experiencing some kind of "shadow ban" that keeps it from growing. Similar case to yours.
I'm having some success outside of TH-cam though, so I'm not dropping this niche.
Very interesting
Thanks for a great video, Finally someone shows the whole process for real and not jus 'I made £500,000 using this method' thumbnail.
Glad it helped!
How do you argue Fair Usage?
Good case study, great, But ONE Question - what if your new channel again gets copyright strikes? or did you use new strategy this time?
Thanks for your information
Thank you so much for this video
Bro your channel has blowed
Interesting.. Thanks for sharing this detailed case study. Out of all the niches, I am shocked you went with a Movie recap channel. How did you think you would not get any copyright strikes? Or did you think you could just beat them all? I have to admit, part of me thinks you may have possibly used someone eles's case study. I like your channel and content, I am not trying to hate on you. But I know you are strategic and just can't see you settling on that niche idea.
how do sports channels get away with it?
as a faceless creator myself... it's not easy, but it is totally worth it, i'm not yet monetized but soon though, don't give up.
Wow, I got that sniper video recommended in my home and watched a bit of it. I vididly remember because the thumbnail was very sriking.
Wow, that's crazy that you actually saw that video!
Thanks for the video just a question when you say social blade is pretty accurate do you mean the high or low end they give because it's very big range, thanks
Every video I watched had had the same experience, so let's all brainstorm together, what could be the solution to being demonetize or not getting monetize?
very informayive thx !
well just a sugestion, dont only recap movies from one country but also from different countries. also encourage viewers to watch different videos in end by suggesting and lure people with giveaways!
Does anyone know how long it can be used without infringing copyright? It is usually recommended to trim every 3 seconds, but I have tried using up to 10 seconds without trimming and have not encountered any copyright infringement. However, when using 20 seconds I already got a violation.
Hi Spencer. Thank you for this video. I was following you a lot few years ago and now a bit less but still like to get good content to watch like this. I am wondering if you still have your own niche sites. I remember that you had one in home improvement and also that you bought a expensive mommy blog. And what about your FBA business, are you still doing it?
lol why you blurred at 6:56
When you do affiliate marketing or promoting your service/website in the video description is it needed first to have 4000 watch hours and 1000 subscribers? Also not monetizing with youtube adsense. 235k views and only got 940 subscribers from it ? Is this not a low sign up rate ?
On that faceless youtube channel. I've just watched the video. I have a few thoughts.
- There's no music in the background, it feels so boring listening to the guy talk without a layer of music underneath. Add music underneath them.
- Also I think on that channel you should focus on videos that people hold an attachment to for example the Chris Kyle movie is a bio-pic on a vet. Try maybe making videos around popular movies in niches as you branch out. For example: reviewing anime movies. So many die hards in that niche, plus there will be a lot of engagement.
Otherwise good luck
Okay, we have no plans to add videos to that channel (as mentioned in this video).
I absolutely love your channel. I have 3 tips to improve that channel.
1st tip: Delete the American Sniper video and never make any new summaries of Warner Brothers movies! Think that will solve your problem?
2nd tip: Never mention the name of the movie in the title or description. It will be harder for the companies to find your recaps and stop them?
3rd tip: Your thumbnails should be improved. Well, to be honest. They s*ck!
I have checked your videos, as far as I know TH-cam allows only 3 seconds clip could be used without copyright, but you are using a lot longer clips and so many clips of each movie. So, How did you got your $2000 earning? You said you got some copyrights on other videos also but you managed to win the case, how??
Spencer another amazing video ans I love the effort of putting in to create the content of the video.
But i believe other channels which you showed didn't get a copyright strike as they are making content on those topics which don't have a big corporate behind the video such as DoDo channel making dog videos. Nonetheless great content as always 👍
I want to know where they are getting their content! It can't be Storyblocks or something similar...or is it?
@@TheFoundationIsCracking No they pay the original makers of it for exclusive rights. its mostly from their audience or via vox media submissions.
@@animalrave7167 Thanks. This is the one thing I haven't been able to wrap my head around. Like the airplane/aviation example Spencer used. Where in the heck do they get that content? There several helicopter videos/channels about military helicopters and the content is incredible. I figure there has to be a repository with all the content and they are paying big bucks for it.
That certainly helps, but there are many movie recap channels and they typically don't face copyright issues.
@@niche-pursuits I need to find these!
Super sexy video Spencer, but I'm expecting this yt numbers comparison with blogging too in terms of earnings and things.
Like you've made 1k following these numbers via TH-cam but how much you could make if you've got the same numbers in your blog.
What is the second channel?
This is one example .. and he outsourced.. you can make it.. it’s is time and effort..
How do you avoid copyright when uploading videos such as movie recap?Plz help
If you keep the virial video going, create lots of cards at the top directing to new videos, also max out the end screen. Keep rotating the cards till one sticks, and target low view parts of the video where people may click off.
Take the virial video and split it into pieces and create shorts of it. You should get monetized on those, but it won't be as much. Also, I would not go near Movies or Sports...copyright claims will be rough from my limited knowledge. I did try movies once, I couldn't get one video to work without claims...
My faceless is about 1 month in. 180 subscribers and 1,000+ watch hours. I am helping with the ideas, editing the scripts, doing the voiceover and checking all the edits. Will see how it goes, traffic did go down a bit the last few days however.
Great ideas and feedback
Moral of the story: creating > stealing
True.
Interesting, thanks
Who is that Charles, am also in Kenya, I have a website, can we work together?
Dude! Delete the video that WB claimed! Geez! WB is notorious for doing this stuff and a large YT channel, ComicBookCast2, quit talking about WB news for a while because they kept hitting his channel, then he decided to still cover WB stuff, but he found a workaround for it. Delete the video that they claimed and you need to add more ad slots to your existing videos to increase the revenue. It's a known fact that you can add 10 ad slots to a video and the viewer will not see all 10 ads, but you will have more opportunity for the viewers to see more targeted ads during your videos. I'd make these changes and keep this channel going for another year and then make a final decision.
What are the rules with copyright? Which one did you break?
We don't know. We don't feel like we broke any rules (which is why none of our other videos have had a successful copyright claim).
Faceless YT "Guru" Course advertisement played on this video before it started.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂
I am surprised you would not have thought of the copyright issue...
There are MANY movie recap channels without copyright issues...
Tried something similiar in past, and not only video got demonetized, but mu entire TH-cam account had been blocked XD
Well...put a relevant affiliate link as a pinned comment as well as description
Question: I do not understand why you did NOT take the video down that Warner Brothers were profiting from. Please explain why you allowed that video to generate money for them. Make it make sense.
Because we are still getting subscribers from the video.
What was the investment ????
You didn’t do two things basic mentioned in the TH-cam Automation classes..1. They almost all say to do it yourself to learn and get results before paying for someone else..2. Don’t take clips from movies that have possible copyright issues..Most say at most 6 seconds of other copyright material AND it needs to be transformative..They tell you in the class not to do what you did at many places on TH-cam Automation..It’s like you or the person you got info from never did even one TH-cam automation course..
Yep, I failed at those 2 things.
@8:31 I knew it… When you sad video recap…
Have you ran in to any issues with shorts getting 0 views because youtube isn't pushing the videos at all? I have a shorts channel and its views are lacking extremely. I have 18 videos up and upload 1 per day but I cant progress with such poor performing videos
How is the voice over done? AI or Human?
Human voiceover from Fiverr.
Do you think taking that one-hit-wonder video down would hurt the channel over all? It sucks to pay someone else for your work.
I don't think it would hurt the channel too much, but it does help get new subscribers.
Good
To be fair, looking at the American sniper video, I can see why it got demonetised. The video itself is just literally running commentary over real time clips of the film. It's a cut and paste job. That would not classify under 'transformative content' as you're not actually doing anything with the footage other than just showing it without original audio. I would have said from the start this is a losing formula because you are not adding any original footage or changing it and adding your own take. I have friend with similar channel at 50k subs and he has to avoid copy and pasting clips for anything longer than 3-5 seconds. He says channels like this get demonetised ALL the time (especially in the movie review niche.) It's notorious for this so I'm surprised that you are surprised(?) You would have been much better off using still shots of each scene then adding basic overlays like grain or bokeh effects, simple moving graphics (like arrows, interesting subtitles from the V/O etc) and interesting music because that itself would have consisted as transformative. Is a shame because the concept clearly worked and this video blowing up alone may have made it worth continuing but the use of bulk footage with commentary was risky for a movie review channel. Is weird that it only applied to this video but I guess Warner only pursue profitable videos. I think for everyone else it's essential to research pitfalls not just profits when starting faceless channels. Wishing you all the success tho with other channels tho honestly
Why not just to delete or make that one video private. You are not earning anything and it’s just getting all the impressions from the other videos. So I would recommend: 1. Delete that video 2. Improve the packaging (thumbnails/ title ) for other videos. And I’m sure the money (I mean views) will come
take the video down? is there another advantage to having it up?
You guys didn't choose a high rpm niche and the copyright issue should have been anticipated. As far as movie recaps, entertaining movie reviews do better
Okay
@@niche-pursuits ahaha 😂 love this stoic response
please, reveal the niche of the 2nd channel - so we know why it gets so small amount of views ...
I'll save that reveal for my next video...when we have had more time to work on it.
cant wait for it now ... TY! @@niche-pursuits
So , why didn't you delete that one video instead of allowing WB to reap the ad revenue, it seems like an obvious thing to mention.
Because we still gets lots of subscribers to that video. WB making money isn't hurting us. If we can't make money, I don't really care if someone else is.
@@niche-pursuits do you mean subscribers from the video .in other words,People who watched the video who then subscribe, leading to those who subscribed will hopefully watch more videos thus raising the profile of the overall site.
Is that the goal, if so is that working.?
Spencer, what made that one video popular? Sniper? Seems like violence, heartfelt, controversy, zany and the like are the winners. Get on one of these and deal with copyright and success rates should be higher?
I think that's one angle to look at, but necessarily the only reason the video did well.
@@niche-pursuits Can you share why you thought it was a standout success?
Why not you go for shorts to attract more audience and then divert it to the main videos. Further niche should be very targeted
Meh
The feet channel could be a winner though 😅
Please can you give me the channel to run. We will split any profits made each month
Next time, use the fair usage approach. Though, this is hard to implement in a movie review channel..
Otherwise, add your personal face at the sidebar running a commentary with the volume of the video turned down
We did use the fair usage approach, all other copyright claims were overturned in our favor on this channel.
I know you're not planning on posting anymore to that channel, but I would take down that American Sniper video. If you can't earn money on it, why let Warner Brothers earn money on it? They have enough money, don't let them take this for free.
Because we get a bunch of subscribers from that video. It doesn't hurt me to keep it up.
Movies are the worst niche. Copyrights left and write.
I would take that video down, screw WB and YT
Spend $7000 and not making good thumbnail. What a waste.
Was it fake and automatic bot traffic that actually punished your channel? 🤔😀
No
So basically faceless TH-cam channels are a viable way to generate revenue and to get out of the rat race. Key takeaway, start a channel that you will not have to utilize anything that could be a possible copyright infringement, if you do take it down and stop putting money in those people's pockets, keep working at it don't quit and most importantly don't let anyone tell you what you can or can't accomplish. Cool, thanks.
You got it, thanks!
MEE! Pick me! I'm a not to success :(
faceless = payless.
your comment=false
Thats definitely a low effort channel
Delete that video
LOL Your feet
That's what I'm here for 😂
Delete the video, screw WB!
Still gets them subs. Only reason they keep it up.