Some people might call TMT a gimmick, but I think it's just one step closer to analog - a very small step, mind you, but I think it could help make mixes a bit wider sounding. Aliasing will occur without oversampling, so that's just a fact of life we have to deal with, since I doubt Brainworx is going to add oversampling as an option. I suppose you could use an oversampling wrapper, but I think these plugins are pretty resource-heavy already. I currently have the bx Focusrite console emulation and it's pretty good, IMO, with a built-in de-esser. Thanks.
Us reaper users have it good. Plus there are plugins like metaplugin that oversample plugins as well. These type of videos I focus on the plugin's own sufficiency, especially when you factor in the price tags. Thank you for supporting the channel 🙏.
Great video, really interesting but you need too add clear captions so we know what we're listening to. Expecting us to be able to read the tiny flags on the Reaper channels as you make the changes is a big ask!
In the harmonic test if you change the gain to a -18Db, the alliasing is gone or to low for notice. Gain Staging the plugins to 0dvu is important without oversampling. I think plugin doctor is an important tool for detect scams but only for that.
Good to hear you appreciate the 100 subs(It was on 199 and I subbed so I think I made it #200) but if you keep these videos going you're going to get A LOT more. People who haven't got the know how or time to carry out this analysis need something like this to see what Plugs are really doing. Like a Julian Krause but for plugins. I know there's people like Dan Worrall who include a bit of analysis in his reviews but to my knowledge there's no one specifically dedicated to it (There could be, just I'm unaware). But even if there is the same people will pop in here to get your take before making a purchase. Keep them coming!
As someone who uses a console for tracking on a daily basis, in a real console these small deviations are very normal, caps and pots wear out and degrade over time causing slight variations between channels. I will admit that both of my analog desks an ATI paragon 2 and a Soundcraft MH-2 do not have as much variations between channels as the TMT does in all of BX channel strip plugins. But who knows how old and well maintained the desks they modeled were. My major gripe is the EQ cramping of the high mid bell in the Amek 9099 and high mid bell on the Focusrite channelstrip is a little disheartening. I have been a beta tester for them for 2 years now and this still hasn't bee addressed. The SSL and Console N channel strips don't have any EQ cramping issues, but the Amek and Focusrite do and I have mentioned it at least 10 times in the last 2 years with no real answers or fixes.
One would hope they would pay attention to details like that. The point you bring up about the cramping I forgot to even mention in the video but I'm glad you bring that up. I tend to be in a small minority of people who don't like the small deviations in software when it comes to EQ lol. Sometime in the near future I'm going to make a video about why I feel that way. Thank for commenting btw! Comments like this are gold!
@@moksoundstudiosYea TMT is a bit of a gimmick to me since even analog desks that are well maintained don't have the large deviation per channel like TMT does. I was going to mention as well the Bertom EQ analyzer which is a nice free tool to look at EQ curves in your DAW it has a nice interface and is a super quick way to have a look at an EQ. They ask for a donation but if you just input $0 as your donation it's free. You might want to check it out as well. I used it to show the EQ curves of my Soundcraft MH-2 and it does a great job for that and for plugins. I subscribed as well it looks like you are about to hit 370 subs congrats!!
@@joesalyers TMT seems a bit on the snake oil side if I do say so myself. Oooo that sounds interesting! I'll be taking a look at that! Thank you!🙏 Hope to see more of your comments! Getting discussions like this started is what makes this worth it! I'm tired of seeing fellow engineers get sold a bill of goods that aren't so good. That's why I started this channel.
@neonthunderbirdsmall amount of distortion when mixing in the digital domain. Lets say you want to mix two 16 bit files.. Mixing two 16 bit files often distorts easily because a clear mix requires adding more digits than just 16 bits. . It is better to convert both of them into 32bit or 64 bit (oversampling) to introduce more info, mix them down more cleanly, then reconvert them to 16 bit.
For an additional null test, you could try your amek-all-modules-engaged, against the same, but without the "Sheen", and then without the "Glow" buttons engaged. That might also account for some of the unusual mids.
I actually appreciate this sort of thing in plugins. Whenever I use my hardware, it's usually got differences between units/channels/sides. I think this is partly what gives special "width" that I hear when using hardware. This of course probably doesn't apply to mastering grade pieces. My very nice RND 542 pair doesn't match. Kind of the "charm" of analog, I guess. Aliasing is no fun, though.
That is difference in the "anlaog world" All filtters etc. are different (also in stereo channels). Use "digital mode" if that's a problem for you. And if you can hear the anti aliasing phenomenon then mix with 96khz.
That is exactly why I started this channel. Engineers shell out money hand over fist just for simple points in quality. We need to know what we sre buying.
You are the second person to guess. It is the same chord progression of the verse of "Do for Love" by Bobby Caldwell which was sampled by Pac. So you are correct! 😃
Some people might call TMT a gimmick, but I think it's just one step closer to analog - a very small step, mind you, but I think it could help make mixes a bit wider sounding. Aliasing will occur without oversampling, so that's just a fact of life we have to deal with, since I doubt Brainworx is going to add oversampling as an option. I suppose you could use an oversampling wrapper, but I think these plugins are pretty resource-heavy already. I currently have the bx Focusrite console emulation and it's pretty good, IMO, with a built-in de-esser. Thanks.
Nice video, really enjoyed the pace of it ,subbed
(On Reaper you can use oversampling on any vst)
Us reaper users have it good. Plus there are plugins like metaplugin that oversample plugins as well. These type of videos I focus on the plugin's own sufficiency, especially when you factor in the price tags. Thank you for supporting the channel 🙏.
Great video, really interesting but you need too add clear captions so we know what we're listening to. Expecting us to be able to read the tiny flags on the Reaper channels as you make the changes is a big ask!
😅 LOL will do!
Excellent! Thank you!
so got 48 more subs in just 2 days, congratulations!
Excellent video! Please more of these!
Thank you 🙏! More coming 😎.
In the harmonic test if you change the gain to a -18Db, the alliasing is gone or to low for notice. Gain Staging the plugins to 0dvu is important without oversampling. I think plugin doctor is an important tool for detect scams but only for that.
Good to hear you appreciate the 100 subs(It was on 199 and I subbed so I think I made it #200) but if you keep these videos going you're going to get A LOT more. People who haven't got the know how or time to carry out this analysis need something like this to see what Plugs are really doing. Like a Julian Krause but for plugins. I know there's people like Dan Worrall who include a bit of analysis in his reviews but to my knowledge there's no one specifically dedicated to it (There could be, just I'm unaware). But even if there is the same people will pop in here to get your take before making a purchase. Keep them coming!
Thank you for this! 🙏
it usually helps to have an actual good sounding mix when testing the harmonic response of plugins
I enjoy the hi hat presets on this
As someone who uses a console for tracking on a daily basis, in a real console these small deviations are very normal, caps and pots wear out and degrade over time causing slight variations between channels. I will admit that both of my analog desks an ATI paragon 2 and a Soundcraft MH-2 do not have as much variations between channels as the TMT does in all of BX channel strip plugins. But who knows how old and well maintained the desks they modeled were. My major gripe is the EQ cramping of the high mid bell in the Amek 9099 and high mid bell on the Focusrite channelstrip is a little disheartening. I have been a beta tester for them for 2 years now and this still hasn't bee addressed. The SSL and Console N channel strips don't have any EQ cramping issues, but the Amek and Focusrite do and I have mentioned it at least 10 times in the last 2 years with no real answers or fixes.
One would hope they would pay attention to details like that. The point you bring up about the cramping I forgot to even mention in the video but I'm glad you bring that up. I tend to be in a small minority of people who don't like the small deviations in software when it comes to EQ lol. Sometime in the near future I'm going to make a video about why I feel that way. Thank for commenting btw! Comments like this are gold!
@@moksoundstudiosYea TMT is a bit of a gimmick to me since even analog desks that are well maintained don't have the large deviation per channel like TMT does. I was going to mention as well the Bertom EQ analyzer which is a nice free tool to look at EQ curves in your DAW it has a nice interface and is a super quick way to have a look at an EQ. They ask for a donation but if you just input $0 as your donation it's free. You might want to check it out as well. I used it to show the EQ curves of my Soundcraft MH-2 and it does a great job for that and for plugins. I subscribed as well it looks like you are about to hit 370 subs congrats!!
@@joesalyers TMT seems a bit on the snake oil side if I do say so myself. Oooo that sounds interesting! I'll be taking a look at that! Thank you!🙏 Hope to see more of your comments! Getting discussions like this started is what makes this worth it! I'm tired of seeing fellow engineers get sold a bill of goods that aren't so good. That's why I started this channel.
@neonthunderbirdsmall amount of distortion when mixing in the digital domain. Lets say you want to mix two 16 bit files.. Mixing two 16 bit files often distorts easily because a clear mix requires adding more digits than just 16 bits. . It is better to convert both of them into 32bit or 64 bit (oversampling) to introduce more info, mix them down more cleanly, then reconvert them to 16 bit.
There is definitely a very slight presence boost. I would attribute this to the added harmonics.
For an additional null test, you could try your amek-all-modules-engaged, against the same, but without the "Sheen", and then without the "Glow" buttons engaged. That might also account for some of the unusual mids.
I actually appreciate this sort of thing in plugins. Whenever I use my hardware, it's usually got differences between units/channels/sides. I think this is partly what gives special "width" that I hear when using hardware. This of course probably doesn't apply to mastering grade pieces. My very nice RND 542 pair doesn't match. Kind of the "charm" of analog, I guess. Aliasing is no fun, though.
Fantastic video
Thank you 😊! Glad I could be of service!
How exactly are you driving the source at the end?
That is difference in the "anlaog world" All filtters etc. are different (also in stereo channels). Use "digital mode" if that's a problem for you. And if you can hear the anti aliasing phenomenon then mix with 96khz.
Yes you can raise the sample rate manually, but for the price tag of some plugins, it shouldn't be an issue.
did something go wrong with the sound fr the video at 4:16
No, that is the result of the null test.
I like the console, I use it, but it's good to know what's happening behind the knobs.
That is exactly why I started this channel. Engineers shell out money hand over fist just for simple points in quality. We need to know what we sre buying.
Is this 2pac_Do for Love?
You are the second person to guess. It is the same chord progression of the verse of "Do for Love" by Bobby Caldwell which was sampled by Pac. So you are correct! 😃
Dan?
copy dan worall lol
@@mr_whyy Incorrect. I have to be in the same league to copy Dan, and I'm not even in the honorable mentions. Thanks for the compliment.
@@moksoundstudios It is a compliment somehow, no it's because it's one subject he covered already, it was more satirical I have nothing against you 😆