How I setup new rifle barrels after gunsmithing
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I just picked up a couple new barrels from my gunsmith and thought I'd show what I do with them. Get them cleaned up, threaded on and measured so I can start having fun with them.
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John, is that a 600 yard target? JP
Yeah sorry I should've been more specific. It's a 600 f-class target.
John, nice video. I know I could ask you this off line, but I think everyone would benefit from your answer so I'm going to ask it here. I'm not trying to set up a Masek v. Cortina faceoff, or a Wheeler v. Cortina smackdown, because I know you guys collaborate and respect each other. However, as you know, Erik finds the lands with a bolt push method; you used the Hornady tool, and Alex Wheeler uses the bolt drop method which you also mention. Erik then backs off 0.020" to start his seating depth testing. Using a single piece of brass as my prototype for the Erik and Alex methods, and the modified Hornady case for the method you demonstrated, I get three rather drastically different measurements (and hence, very different starting points for seating depth testing). I'm a little lost as to the "best" - and most reliable - method. I have tremendous respect for all three of you as shooters and experts in this kind of analysis, but...can you please school (or at least unpuzzle) me??? Thank you.
I'm going to guess (and ultimately Cortina or Wheeler can probably give a much better explanation than I can) that it comes down to each method applying a different amount of pressure. Personally I don't think that makes any methods wrong, as long as you can repeat each of them consistently. After that it's just about doing seating depth tests and noting the dimensions and working from there. I've seen guys do all kinds of testing for the lands and I've seen people succeed and fail with each but ultimately I think if you can repeat your test consistently then you'll be ok.
I realize you asked for John so, please take this with a grain of salt.
I find the measurement to the lands depends a lot on the type of rifle. For example, measuring my Howa & Lithgow, I can get the measurements very easily & repeatable, however, my Ruger M77 MKII in 243 is a real bitch because of the ejector tang which runs up into the bolt face when extracting.
It's been impossible for me to get reliable repeatable measurements to the lands with that rifle. Even the bolt drop method doesn't work so well either.
I've also found that the bullet used for a measurement can make a big difference as well. Some bullets want to lock into the lands no matter how gentle you are.
These guys also have their rifles chambered for one style of bullet & some just one particular bullet which, makes it much easier I think.
Regards...............Reotas.
I've got an action with several barrels and I've developed a method to find the lands with the barrel off and using a fired or bump sized case. What i've found is that measurements i'd previously taken with the Hornady tool were quite often jammed as much as 0.015" whereas my barrel-off method finds the measurement where the bullet is just kissing the lands.
That sounds good too. In the end it's all about doing it consistently and there's lots of good ways to get there.
Very interesting. Thank you for your willingness to share. I always learn something from each video.
Glad you find it helpful.
Something I will most likely never do but very interesting. I had no idea you could change out a barrel and throw some rounds together and hit a target just like that. Amazing. and most certainly educational to watch.
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it and found it helpful.
thats quite a looking shooter wow !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you.
I am relatively new to precision shooting and reloading. This was a very informative video and I appreciate the time you took to make this video. Thanks!!
I’m glad it helped.
Between you and Eric, I have learned so much about reloading, proper set up and even the right gear to use. I truly appreciate you guys taking the time to put it on video!
@@matthewtracy8744 it’s my (our) pleasure. Knowledge is to be shared and if my knowledge helps other ultimately become better than me then I did my job.
I dont know that I'll ever be better than you, but it would be an honor to be on the shooting line with you guys one day!
Very helpful,
Keeping notes on everything
From barrel to barrel seems to be the most important thing and a good habit to keep
Especially for measurements and round counts etc.
👍👍
Another very informative video for us shooters and reloaders to watch , learn and enjoy . Thanks and well done . Cheers 🍻
Thank you. I’m glad it was helpful.
I Have to say I Really enjoy your videos. I was a high power rifle shooter I really do miss being on a team shooting my M1 after losing my leg and a bad back injury I have to say it’s been a long time cents I shoot a match . Again thank you for your videos you I think it’s amazing what you all can do
Thank you for the kind words and the support. Glad you enjoy the videos.
Wow I learned so much from you thank you so much God bless you.
Great content! Still running the analysis at this time on , your bullets do what video. It’s taking time because of long range doe season. So far I’m having the lengths grow a thou sometimes two just from driving around with ammo. I’m set back right now because I’m getting about the same bullet growth even without driving the ammo. So, more testing is occurring. This is on my hunting ammo with 0.002 neck tension. With a near full case capacity of powder, I think on a few rnds the powder is too close to the bullet and by it touching the bottom of the bullet, it’s pushing the bullet upwards making it appear that they are growing in length.
Thank you and sounds good on the testing so far.
Thanks John, please can you make a video of your full match ammunition prep? Do you neck turn? Do you measure and batch projectiles? Do you batch cases?
Very informative video thanks John 👍
Thanks for sharing . Great looking gun .
Thank you.
Thanks for another great video! I always get happy when you and Cortina post new videos. Question from a new guy trying to figure stuff out. Am I correct that a gunsmith sets up the head spacing so that you can just put your barrels on?
Yes that's correct.
@@FClassJohn Thank you
Thanks for the information. Enjoyed the show and thanks for sharing.
My pleasure and I’m glad it helped.
Few things. Once the barrel was loose I would take it out of the vise and thread the barrel out and start the new one by hand but just me. Also I’m sure your smith would name or number your barrels for you. Just FYI you are throwing off your torque measurement by applying that pressure with your other hand. I mean it’s only going to be tighter but just FYI
Thank you for the constructive comments. In order, that's true but I'm lazy about that, yes my smith numbers my barrels but tough to easily see compared to tape and yes you're correct but I don't worry about it as I torque just a little lower than I have to anyway. Thanks again and I'm always open and welcome great comments like these.
Are you also fire forming new brass or will you use your old brass from your old barrel if you are using the same reamer? Very nice video. I have always wanted to know how it is done. Thanks John.
I'll do both. In this particular case I'm shooting virgin brass but wouldn't have any issues shooting previously shot brass too. Because my gunsmith knows what he's doing and it's my own reamer all my barrels old or new all headspace within .001" so that's how I can get away with that.
Nice to see how others start off a new barrel. I see you're also a lefty! We have 7 of those golden eagle 15-60x52 scopes. The only thing I don't like is they don't come with a zero stop. What powder are you shooting R16?
Go lefties!! Yeah I’m running 16 right now. As for the zero stop I just know that mine are 1.5 rotations until it bottoms out so I can use that as a zero drop but yes I wish it had even their shim based zero stop.
@@FClassJohn actually my buddy is making shims for our golden eagle's they just go between the scope cap and the base. He's making them a few thousands small. And then cutting part of the ring out so you can see the hash mark on the scope and it doesn't spin with the turret. Pretty simple design but works very good.
Good Info John... Now please level your bench .. Lol
Yeah no joke. I hate that particular bench but don’t have a better option right now. It has leveling feet but they seem to have a mind of their own. 🥴
Color me amazed. So that's a way to swap a barrel if one did a full glue in.
Yes absolutely. I shoot with several guys who do full glue in actions and that's how they do it.
As always man amazing stuff every video is a study session 👍🏻
What stock is that and what’s with the alloy out the front mate?
Just curious as looking at different stocks for building my F Open rifle and pretty sure it’s going to be a 284 🤔👌🏻
Thank you for the kind words. That stock is a McMIllan Kestros ZR. It’s fiberglass with an aluminum bag rider up front.
@@FClassJohn thanks for that John 🤙🏻
Is there a video in the making reviewing the Golden Eagle? Especially interested to hear your opinion on it vs. the Kahles 1050 and other 'super high end' scopes that you also own. Also what reticle do you have in it, the ECR-1 or SCR-1?
I'm using the ECR-1. It's just what I like better and is definitely the more poplar reticle. I can definitely do a video on it.
Do you jump right into load development after those 30 rounds, and if not after how many does it usually stop speeding up?
I won’t do proper load development until at least 200rds and sometimes more.
Thanks for your time. What about head space? Was that set by the gunsmith who put your barrels together?
Very nice John. Does the accuracy one measure from bullet ogive to case shoulder or from bullet tip to case shoulder? Thanks.
It's from the shoulder. Here's the review I did on it. th-cam.com/video/yikYkykMCcQ/w-d-xo.html
Another informative video! Why two barrels at a time? Do you keep two barrels going for each match just in case you can switch them out? Or, have a back up when one shoots out? Thanks
I usually have 3 or 4 barrels at any given time. Some barrels shoot better than others so once they've been developed and I know they're above average I can just spin them off, note the load it liked and go shoot another barrel. Then for big matches you put the great barrel back on and you're golden.
Do you have a preferred muzzle crown?
I use a modified 11 degree crown and like it. But to be fair I don't have a lot of experience using any others. What matters the most is that the crown is square and there are some crowns better for using brakes.
I'm curious what happens to used "shot out" barrels. Can you drill and push larger rifling in em? like .264 to .308? Do they get recycled and you get a "core" charge? Still a newb to this precision stuff. Great videos John!
Most of my shot out barrels end up at friends houses who want to test new calibers or just need club level barrels. They set them back and keep shooting them on whatever 7mm caliber they need to.
So you don't re-rifle the barrel but you can rechamber, how many rounds would you think rifling to be good for? Thanks again for answering my newbie questions.
@@TSmitty85 You can do what is called setting back the barrel which means you cut off tenon/threaded side of the barrel a little bit and re-chamber it again and in theory this refreshes the barrel but in most cases it will never be as good as it used to be but you definitely get more life out of it. How many rounds a barrel last is often influenced by many things such as the caliber, the bullet and powder combination, how fast and repeatedly you are shooting it and other things. Some calibers will naturally last a lot longer than others. Some calibers are natural barrel burners.
@@FClassJohn Luckily for me, my budget put me in the 6.5CM area so I should get 2.5-4k rounds before it's dead in the water. Thanks again for all the info/videos sir you rock.
Did you clean between the 30 shots
Nope. I might clean a little before the next time I shoot but probably won't clean until I get closer to 100rds.
Hi John, just wondering, what actions do you run? Cheers
Defiance Deviant
@@FClassJohn Thanks
Are those short or long actions? I’m guessing long since you have both magnum and non magnum bolts. Thanks for all the great content!
1.250 straight taper?
Yes sir.
Is there a reason why you didn't confirm the headspace with Go & NoGo gages? Is your gunsmith incapable of making a mistake?
A gunsmith checks the headspace, that's how he knows the chamber is correct before pulling the barrel out of the lathe. One can recheck but the guy John uses is very reputable.
@@jasonsimes3333Of course a gunsmith checks the headspace. The point was that anyone can make a mistake. It only takes 30 seconds to be sure your not going to have a potentially dangerous problem.
I notice you carry the bolt in a separate container, is that a safety practice or is there another reason?
I really couldn’t tell you why I got started doing that other than I just never liked keeping a bolt in the gun. Having grown up in California and it’s crazy transportation laws I guess I just always felt safer pulling it from the gun plus it eliminates any chance of damage from being bent if it hit some thing. But probably just more of a that’s how I’ve always done it kind of thing than anything else.
@@FClassJohn thanks, I had wondered about that for quite a while.
Another native California freedom refugee here. I was born in San Fernando, but have not lived in California since about 1980.
What action are you using?
Defiance Deviant
So once you get your jam, what is your starting point for seating depth when testing?
Typically I start about .009' jump and go from there every .003"
Are those stainless steel barrels? RUST???
Yeah they're stainless and I understand what you're saying but stainless still rusts. While very minimal on a barrel like this, there's still no reason not to protect it when it's quick and easy for my gunsmith to do and they may be sitting exposed for months at a time in a potentially humid environment. That's just the way I do it and it may not be what others do and that's cool too.
How and what and why do you do reamers? Great work
You have to use reamers to cut your chambers. Gunsmiths will often have a wide array of reamers but a lot of guys will buy their own reamers so they can customize them and also keep consistency.
@@FClassJohn Thanks - I'm aware or the reamers purpose. I'm getting ready to order my first couple of barrels. I do confess, I don't know enough on the subject to ask meaningful questions. (How about a video?) One will be a 6.5 creed and one a new caliber for me a 284 Winchester. What would you recommend for reamers? Not knowing the subject, I was just going to go with a SAMMI reamer. Who's reamers do you use? By chance I am also considering a Brux Barrel. I shoot and travel where they are made. Again thanks
@@davidnelson6603 your smith should have those reamers. Pretty much everyone gets PTG reamers. IMO from your post there is no sense for you to own reamers. To own them is because you want the exact same chamber every time. For what your doing sounds like drop the gun off ask for it to be chambered in x and pick it back up. Or start reading a lot. And you probably won’t pick that creed when your done
@@taylorbokshowan5713 Many thanks - I am thinking of a 284 Win but I do need a barrel on the creed as well again thanks.
I'll get there eventually
What brand barrels John? Also link wont open. Hope you still get commission
He said Brux...
What bullets do You use, please? And where are the nodes?
I use Berger 180s. They typically live around 2780-2820
@@FClassJohn thanks John
Do you have a patreon account? Just looked and didn’t c it, if ya do, unless I’m over looking it somehow. Thank you.
I have one set up but haven’t made the jump over there yet.
@@FClassJohn ok. Thanks.
I would like to know how you guys clean the chamber throat. You mentioned a no fuss method for break in. I like Bore Tech carbon cleaner, what do yall use?
When I clean the carbon ring I use the Bore Tech Carbon but I don't break in barrels. I just go straight to shooting and don't have any issues. In fact that barrel in the video shot a 200-13x and a 200-12x the following week and now only has 120 rounds on it so I won't be doing proper load development until it hits at least 200rds or is done speeding up.
I know this is a barrel video, but what optic it that?
Vortex Golden Eagle
I was wondering the same thing
how much money.....
Why do you always wear those stupid gloves?