Love that you’re preserving pre-TCW SW. so refreshing to not have to do with such mindless retcons over and over whenever having any patch of legends lore on in the background.
There was a Dathomirian member of the ancient Jed’aii order, as I recall. Her name was Shae Koda, and though she was born and raised on Tython she was stated to be of Dathomiri descent. But if Dathomir was first colonized as a penal colony, later in galactic history, how does that work? Your thoughts, Tadd?
The dawn of the jedi comics were published around 2012 which was well after TCW retconned the dathomir witches. At that point, the Courtship of Princess Leia novel was pretty much disregarded by the writers. To solve this issue, we could omit the Tho Yor Pyramid that arrived from Dathomir and pretend that Shae Koda was from somewhere else since she's human and all, however another explanation we could offer is that perhaps Dathomir used to be inhabited by humans before the Tho Yor arrival and that the Tho Yor wisked all of them away to Tython, leaving Dathomir uninhabited and forgotten until Allya's exile in 600bby (wookieepedia implies this as well so whoever contributed to the article must have come to the same extrapolating conclusion). I prefer the latter explanation and will most likely use this when I do a video focusing on the planet Dathomir in the future
The Book of Sith (?) sourcebook from 2012 still makes me cringe due to having to incorporate Filoni retcons into itself; yet another example of how harmful that series was to rest of the EU (and especially the post-RotJ era), since this was still during the time when they'd try to make as much as possible fit.
Great video as usual. Your channel is one of the best of the star wars Expanded universe/Legends channel. It's nice to learn more about the witches of Dathomir and the different clans. Wasn't there some witches working with Tyber Zann in the expansion of empire at war? What happened to the witch that escaped with Quilan Vos? It would be nice to see some lore video on Zsinj, if it doesn't bother you. Anyway, thanks for the video and have a good day/night.
0:40 Gonna have to correct you almost immediately as the Witches of Dathomir do view the Force has having a darker side to it. That's where the Nightsisters come in as their use of the dark side of the Force was done in the same way as the Sith just without the Sith trappings and ideology. The Witch Clans are taught to use the Force benevolently in much of the same way as the Jedi just without their trappings. 7:46 I'm surprised that there's no mentioning of Tyber Zann's activities on the planet some time before the Battle of Endor. He and his bodyguard freed some members of the Nightsisters from captivity as well as other prisoners when he established Consortium operations on the planet since he needed a powerful Nightsister to unlock the secrets of a Sith holocron in his possession.
Trapping? 🤔 Anything that has a particular culture and ideology is a trapping. The witch's trapping may be different from the Jedi but they are still trappings.
I do like TCW’s version of the Nightsisters. However I also like the original ideas of the clans. I do prefer it if TCW was solely apart of Disney Canon. Or relegated to a lower Canon Tier in the EU.
During the events of Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron after Return of the Jedi, a self proclaimed Sith Lord named X1 also took control of base on Dathomir, though the Nightsisters weren’t fond of his presence and struck back against his forces. During this time, his brother, Jedi Knight X2, and Grey Squadron infiltrated the base and fought both the Imperials and the Nightsisters. X2 eventually came across the matriarch who rode a rancor and after a bit of battling, killed her and learned of his brother’s position on Mustafar.
This makes way more sense than Filoni bullshit, unfortunately i really like Jedi Fallen Order so i have to find a headcanon way to make it all fit so i guess the witches and "nightbrothers" in that game just reside on a completely different part of the planet
To be honest, the Nightsisters of The Clone Wars were the Frangrawl Clan led by Mother Talzin and seeing how they are very different from the rest it's easy to have them be separate from the others and fight the Light Side clans.
As stated on my other channel in "why the clone wars doesnt fit in legends parts 1 and 2" the show portrays the nightsisters as the only clan on dathomir and the entire planet from space is shown as a completely different topography and ecology.
@@Manda-LORE To be fair, though I would have wished there were more Nightsister clans and have their corner of Dathomir look like the one seen in the show rather than the entire planet.
Honestly, The Zabrak Nightbrothers thing with the witches seem to put them in high regards and breeding with them to have a halfbreed of witches with pale white skin (that isn't warpaint or full tattoos) and bald heads, is where it continued to go lose me.
One thing I'm curious about is why were there multiple different female dominated factions in legends post return of the Jedi there's the Hapes consortium, the witches of Dathomir and the Fallanassi was there some sort of intention or running theme the writers had
Hey Manda-LORE a bit off topic but I just wanted to know your thoughts on all the Star Wars rumors that have pop'd up recently what do you think their gonna do with it
hey by the way tadd larkin i would like to say that i plan on creating my own star wars timeline called the rebirth timeline that is mostly legends with a few changes that are unique and some bits of canon as well and im thinking of trying to fix the continuity issues within legends with my rebirth timeline and in the future i might want to discuss some ideas with you
Love how in legends they haven't been all killed off. Its a shame Disney got their grubby little rat hands on these stories and took a big old 💩 all over the lore.
Kind of like that the Night Sisters are the main Witches now. All these other witches sound kind of boring and not as cool as Star Wars wicked Witches of OZ, honestly this is a change to the universe that I agree like.
You should read The Young Jedi Knight series as well as The Courtship of Princess Leia and NJO. The Witches of Dathomir, especially Tenel Ka, are definitely not boring. If anything, it's the "wicked witches of Oz" that are boring and one-dimensional. They don't even ride rancors!
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Ah, finally the TRUE lore. I hope one day you cover the Imperial Grand Admirals and the Warlords
Love that you’re preserving pre-TCW SW. so refreshing to not have to do with such mindless retcons over and over whenever having any patch of legends lore on in the background.
Definitely
Mmm. Tasty, tasty, un-gentrified star wars.
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As usual another well researched, awesome mini documentary. It's nice to see someone who doesn't mix canon.
Now this is what I'm talking about. Pure EU / legends lore!
God video. Enjoyed this. I prefer the Legends version. Disney was doing nonsense with these characters.
You're my favorite lore channel! You can take even the simplest things but still make the video interesting keep up the great work man!
Tell us about the Imperial Warlords after the battle of Endor
Always good to see a new video.
There was a Dathomirian member of the ancient Jed’aii order, as I recall. Her name was Shae Koda, and though she was born and raised on Tython she was stated to be of Dathomiri descent. But if Dathomir was first colonized as a penal colony, later in galactic history, how does that work? Your thoughts, Tadd?
There was also a Sith species Jed’aii, I always loved that about that series. That and the expansion on the Rakata species.
The dawn of the jedi comics were published around 2012 which was well after TCW retconned the dathomir witches. At that point, the Courtship of Princess Leia novel was pretty much disregarded by the writers. To solve this issue, we could omit the Tho Yor Pyramid that arrived from Dathomir and pretend that Shae Koda was from somewhere else since she's human and all, however another explanation we could offer is that perhaps Dathomir used to be inhabited by humans before the Tho Yor arrival and that the Tho Yor wisked all of them away to Tython, leaving Dathomir uninhabited and forgotten until Allya's exile in 600bby (wookieepedia implies this as well so whoever contributed to the article must have come to the same extrapolating conclusion). I prefer the latter explanation and will most likely use this when I do a video focusing on the planet Dathomir in the future
@@Manda-LORE Maybe some Event of that Book Happend, They Followed the Source Material.
I told you these witches freak me out!! Excellent video as always, Tadd.
The Book of Sith (?) sourcebook from 2012 still makes me cringe due to having to incorporate Filoni retcons into itself; yet another example of how harmful that series was to rest of the EU (and especially the post-RotJ era), since this was still during the time when they'd try to make as much as possible fit.
Great video as usual. Your channel is one of the best of the star wars Expanded universe/Legends channel. It's nice to learn more about the witches of Dathomir and the different clans.
Wasn't there some witches working with Tyber Zann in the expansion of empire at war? What happened to the witch that escaped with Quilan Vos?
It would be nice to see some lore video on Zsinj, if it doesn't bother you. Anyway, thanks for the video and have a good day/night.
Great video, the Old EU is so exciting and Interesting! Please consider doing a video on criminal syndicates, I love the Zahn Consortium.
Shame these vids don’t get many views, keep up the good work Manda-lore. Thoroughly enjoying the content.
Thank you! That means a lot. If you want to help the channel out, link videos in forums and on websites wherever applicable
@@Manda-LORE will do.
0:40 Gonna have to correct you almost immediately as the Witches of Dathomir do view the Force has having a darker side to it. That's where the Nightsisters come in as their use of the dark side of the Force was done in the same way as the Sith just without the Sith trappings and ideology. The Witch Clans are taught to use the Force benevolently in much of the same way as the Jedi just without their trappings.
7:46 I'm surprised that there's no mentioning of Tyber Zann's activities on the planet some time before the Battle of Endor. He and his bodyguard freed some members of the Nightsisters from captivity as well as other prisoners when he established Consortium operations on the planet since he needed a powerful Nightsister to unlock the secrets of a Sith holocron in his possession.
Trapping? 🤔 Anything that has a particular culture and ideology is a trapping. The witch's trapping may be different from the Jedi but they are still trappings.
@@justinamey7116 Not my point but ok.
The empire should of bombarded that planet when they had the chance.
As always, a thousand thanks for sharing your Knowledge. .
Glad to see you still producing more content.
"Their vacation turned sour"
Leia, kidnapped by Han: 🤨
I do like TCW’s version of the Nightsisters. However I also like the original ideas of the clans. I do prefer it if TCW was solely apart of Disney Canon. Or relegated to a lower Canon Tier in the EU.
I'm still upset the Witches were reduced to a single Nightsister clan now extinct.
Could you do a lore video on old republic troopers or imperial troopers
I finish a stream then i sea a new upload to brighten my day even more!
During the events of Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron after Return of the Jedi, a self proclaimed Sith Lord named X1 also took control of base on Dathomir, though the Nightsisters weren’t fond of his presence and struck back against his forces. During this time, his brother, Jedi Knight X2, and Grey Squadron infiltrated the base and fought both the Imperials and the Nightsisters. X2 eventually came across the matriarch who rode a rancor and after a bit of battling, killed her and learned of his brother’s position on Mustafar.
This makes way more sense than Filoni bullshit, unfortunately i really like Jedi Fallen Order so i have to find a headcanon way to make it all fit so i guess the witches and "nightbrothers" in that game just reside on a completely different part of the planet
Have you ever considered answering the SW questionare?
Also:
What would your weapon load out be in star wars?
Thank you
Absolutely epic
Great video, I really enjoy your lore vids!!
Ironically FILONI'S WIFE fixed canon Dathomir and brought back multiple clans of light side witches in her short story Bug
She sounds like a lady who knows her stuff then, maybe she should have been writing/directing the whole time
To be honest, the Nightsisters of The Clone Wars were the Frangrawl Clan led by Mother Talzin and seeing how they are very different from the rest it's easy to have them be separate from the others and fight the Light Side clans.
As stated on my other channel in "why the clone wars doesnt fit in legends parts 1 and 2" the show portrays the nightsisters as the only clan on dathomir and the entire planet from space is shown as a completely different topography and ecology.
@@Manda-LORE oh yeah that video good times
@@Manda-LORE To be fair, though I would have wished there were more Nightsister clans and have their corner of Dathomir look like the one seen in the show rather than the entire planet.
Honestly, The Zabrak Nightbrothers thing with the witches seem to put them in high regards and breeding with them to have a halfbreed of witches with pale white skin (that isn't warpaint or full tattoos) and bald heads, is where it continued to go lose me.
Omega squad
How bout a video on Rohlan Dyre maybe?
Obligatory BenxVestara ship support. Ben had to get someone pregnant in order for Cade to exist
Amen
Pure C-canon, as Eru Ilúvatar, I mean as the Force, intended
Can you do one about The History of The Infinite Empire?
Kodashi Vipers are from Dathomir
One thing I'm curious about is why were there multiple different female dominated factions in legends post return of the Jedi there's the Hapes consortium, the witches of Dathomir and the Fallanassi was there some sort of intention or running theme the writers had
Yeah I noticed it to it's real wierd
Hey Manda-LORE a bit off topic but I just wanted to know your thoughts on all the Star Wars rumors that have pop'd up recently what do you think their gonna do with it
hey by the way tadd larkin i would like to say that i plan on creating my own star wars timeline called the rebirth timeline that is mostly legends with a few changes that are unique and some bits of canon as well and im thinking of trying to fix the continuity issues within legends with my rebirth timeline and in the future i might want to discuss some ideas with you
No mention of Charal?
When I eventually do a focus video on the Nightsisters themselves, she will be mentioned
Weren't Dathomirian witches in Ewoks films?
Not cannon
Yes, in the second movie, Battle for Endor, we had a Dathomirian Witch, a Nightsister called Charal, serving the main villain, Terak.
@@DLR1997 To the legends continuity, it's canon.
Have you seen Sym Bionic Titan before Tadd?
These are the women running Disney now.
Vos is not a Cathar
Love how in legends they haven't been all killed off. Its a shame Disney got their grubby little rat hands on these stories and took a big old 💩 all over the lore.
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Kind of like that the Night Sisters are the main Witches now. All these other witches sound kind of boring and not as cool as Star Wars wicked Witches of OZ, honestly this is a change to the universe that I agree like.
You should read The Young Jedi Knight series as well as The Courtship of Princess Leia and NJO. The Witches of Dathomir, especially Tenel Ka, are definitely not boring. If anything, it's the "wicked witches of Oz" that are boring and one-dimensional. They don't even ride rancors!
Aren’t you just cute as a button
Courtship of Princess Leia is still awful