@@conradojavier7547 I know. But it's Disney canon. It was one of the few things left untouched with the new timeline. I was referring to the clone wars. Just so theirs no confusion.
@@stranglestrongidk I think grievous is going to get some buff’s reguarding his appearance in tales of the empire. As it so far depicts him at his strongest and works incredibly well with the darker tone and fear factor. Stuff that brings back his glory days in legends. This grievous might not be 100% perfect but I’m pretty sure the tales of the empire will make him my second favorite interpretation of him.
Grievous is like the Vader of the Clone Wars era. On a side note, I often have a little trouble of pronouncing his real name, which could be said of any other name.
It's so baffling that Lucas took issue with that and made him a "mustache-twirling coward" instead. One of his stupidest calls in the franchise he's ever taken.
And that was on purpose, but I guess George changed his mind. There is a scene in Labyrinth of Evil where Grievous enters the bunker holding Palpatine, just standing menacingly while the doors open, and blocks a few blaster bolts with his bare hands for dramatic effect on the enemy. A clear parallel to the ESB dining room scene though I haven't seen anyone else point it out.
Vader himself was weak, he only had one win (against ANH obi wan who was past his prime, even TPM Obi Wan was tougher than prime vader if you talk about the cybernetic one). General Grievous/Qymaen is in every way better than vader.
The Jedi Kill count is low. His official kill count of Jedi in Legends is 247 as I recall(direct and indirect) which earned him the title of 'The Knight Slayer."
I'm curious as to where you discovered this figure because in my research, I could only ever find 22 (23 if you count the mon calamari padawan from "lair of grievous") named Jedi kills for Grievous. Killing 1 Jedi is considered impressive on its own, let alone a couple hundred.
@@Manda-LORE Got a PDF of it from my old archives. Page 59 of Star Wars Insider 86 states that Grievous "Left a trail of dissected Jedi, as many as 100 of whom he killed personally" in personal combat. So the indirect kills are most likely ones killed by armies or navies under his command.
17:54 PROPS TO BOBA The fact that he not only survived but ALSO while keeping all his limbs to an encounter that was a ceartain death to most Jedi & high Advance Troopers speaks a lot of both
Such a great backstory too. Fully fleshed out and detailed with some actual pathos for the character. EDIT: That's what we got with the EU version of characters unlike their bastardized TCW counterparts. The original CWMMP is my absolute favorite era of Star Wars.
This is one of the reasons why I prefer the Grievous in the old EU, with such a great and compelling backstory. TCW Grievous seems like a generic moustache-twirling villain who keeps running away.
@Chosen One Yes, but we're talking in the EU Clone Wars multimedia project in general to the portrayal of Grevious, not just the micro series. Which prior to him being needed in ROTS due to his chest plates crushing & punchering his lungs at the hands of Mace Windu was actually protrayed as more comment than in TCW. The latter taking George's idea of Grevious being a villain who runs away when his plans fail up to 11, to the point of being a near incompetent leader to the CIS.
@Chosen One He has everything in the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, such as intimidation, competence, and menace. Furthermore, his small appearance in Star Wars: Republic Commando helped bridge the gap between that game and the rest of the CWMMP, and his small comic series is special. Everything in the CWMMP is leagues ahead of anything TCW gave us and was eons better than TCW.
@@bionic-tale4313 But, what if there were two General Grievous, TCW being an unstable clone who died in episode III, and the 2003 cartoon being the original. And two more things of note Both their mentalities and deminers are different, oh, and TCW is coughing from the moment we first see him, 2003 does not cough until Mace Windo crushes his ribcage.
23:56 Now I'm imagining a CIS completely under the control of grievous no dooku no palpy and definitely no palpy nerfing the CIS to prolong the war....And it's terrifying
With that many children, it seems there was a lot of future potential in the Legends continuity for a legacy of Grevious story of some kind. At least one of them would desire to take up their father's warrior ways and carry the torch in some fashion.
An excellent video detailing the actual General Grievous. A character that validated his earned his place in the CIS hierarchy and Episode 3. Unlike his TCW counterpart, who would have been dead a few months into the war.
Such is the story of one of the deadliest military figures the separatist army ever had. A fantastically made full biography of such a terrifying figure in the cone wars.
Ahh, I really do appreciate how much fanart for the Kaleesh species there despite them not having any organic on screen appearance! Nearly as much as Grievous probably did to be able to Kill the specific Jedi that sided with the huk! Raaad.
A lot of that fan art is from a specific fan written Grievous backstory that's still ongoing! So far it's chronicled his childhood, the Huk War, and his time with the IGBC. If you Google the word Sahuldeem it'll pop up on the website Ao3! I cannot recommend this story enough and it needs more attention!!
I have always been interested by his style, and the fact that he weilded 4 lightsabers. Then I played as Grievous un Battlefront 2. It made me like him even more
This is one of a few things I perfer over canon clone wars, but uou know what would be even better thaj both versions ? Have grevious still be super powerful but as the war went on he started to become more cocky and arrogent, which would cost him, now that would have been nice.
Expanded universe: grevious is insane and dangerous and doesn’t have force abilities. Filoni crap: he lets himself get his ass kicked by Everyone and trips over his own cape on purpose
That is definitely true in the expended universe especially his own comics grievous was in magnificent villain that had a better depiction of both his origin story And his clone creation against darth Vader. Though there is an interesting fact about the the blaster that claimed more jedi than any other lightsabers before for both grievous and anakin; The modified Blaster Pistol of Freedon Nadd
There are no visual depictions of what transpired in Labrynth of Evil so it was easier to use the microseries, however I make a mention of the maglev train fight from the book rather than the maglev train station fight from the series. I need to some day sit down and reconcile the 2 different depictions, but they're similar enough for my purposes at the moment
Just can not believe that General Grevious in Revenge of the Sith is the same Grevious that beaten and defeated a ton of jedi on Hypori as shown in the 2003 microseries and got beaten by Gungans on Naboo as shown in one episode of TCW.
I would love for you to do one of these off of Anakin Skywalker. Since a lot of my understanding of his character comes from TCW, I would like to hear about what he was before the reimagining of this era.
It is kinda strange that Revenge of the Sith Grevious who launched an assault on Coruscant, kidnapped Palpatine to test Anakin's will, and dueled Obi Wan Kenobi on Utapau are the same one from the Star Wars: Clone Wars multimedia project (2002-2007) who killed hundreds of jedi and made several victories against the Galactic Republic in the later stages and the one from Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008-2020) who kept on loosing to the Galactic Republic and got beaten up by gungans in one episode.
It is a shame that the CWMMP is forgotten about. It is much better than TCW in almost every aspect and showed the true military strategies and complexities that are dumbed down in TCW (not to mention all of the retconning and plot holes TCW created). Anyone know where I can find all of the material from the CWMMP?
Su cuy'gar Vod! I have a video suggestion. Please make more videos on Legends mandalorian. Weapons or more ships such as the kyr'galaar or the Keldabe class. Or even some more legends clans. - Callum Ordo
Plz do Jedi Master Sifo Diyas original biography which got retconned in Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 6 which came out a month before Disney rebooted everything and kept the original trilogy, the prequel trilogy, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars backdoor pilot film from 2008, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars' first six seasons as their only remaining canon material made prior to April 25, 2014 in their own point of view.
If you look at the bottom screen, there is a note that says *blue to correct the error. I have no idea why I wrote green when I wrote the script but when editing the video I realized my mistake and didn't have a chance to re-record the line. I get maybe 1 night a month where I can actually record and if I miss that window, I have to wait for it to open again.
@@Manda-LORE Oh, I didn't see that! I forgot to comment that but are you sure that Tarr Seirr was Ki-Adi-Mundi's Padawan? I thought he was just another Cerean Jedi who was a fan of Mundi's.
So if mace windu had never force crushed grievous the cyborg would have absolutely stomped obi wan on utapa (I can't spell) Very few force users could defeat the old eu grievous for both Jedi and sith
Yup. Dude is the fastest thing in Star Wars besides Grandmaster Luke himself. He has Massively Hypersonic speed prior to being nerfed by Mace’s force crush I’d say. Not even Yoda can move as fast as the dude.
Star wars visionaries and an article on Hyperspace (a now defunct official fan website). For future reference, all of my sources are posted within the video description
It will forever pain me that we'll never get a full-fledged story depicting the events of Durge's Lance, Grievous's finest hour.
Same. People seem to forget how intelligent and cunning he was as a military strategist.
@@ThrawnSolos Aye, would love to see more of his tactical prowess again more so than him fighting and winning against Jedi.
why is it named after DURGE tho?
Well, no one is stopping us from writing it ourselves if we want to.
@@Bronasaxon In b4 get C&D. Pro tip: Don't give fucks about that.
I still remember childhood me being introduced to general grievous through clone wars 2003 and being left in shock with how op he was
@666windmill666 no its not, you obviously are a noob. Tcw didn't ever fit in EU, and Animation style doesn't dictate a characters power level either.
It wasn't just his fighting prowess that was nerfed for the Disney canon it was also his tactical supremacy that was greatly reduced. A true shame
This were made before Disney Bought Lucasfilm.
@@conradojavier7547 I know. But it's Disney canon. It was one of the few things left untouched with the new timeline.
I was referring to the clone wars. Just so theirs no confusion.
@@conradojavier7547
TCW and Disney canon are synonymous at this point.
@@conradojavier7547correct but the deeper dives in his character have been de-canonized by Disney
@@stranglestrongidk I think grievous is going to get some buff’s reguarding his appearance in tales of the empire. As it so far depicts him at his strongest and works incredibly well with the darker tone and fear factor. Stuff that brings back his glory days in legends. This grievous might not be 100% perfect but I’m pretty sure the tales of the empire will make him my second favorite interpretation of him.
"Your lightsabers will make a fine addition to my collection!" gotta mean something.
Grievous is like the Vader of the Clone Wars era. On a side note, I often have a little trouble of pronouncing his real name, which could be said of any other name.
It's so baffling that Lucas took issue with that and made him a "mustache-twirling coward" instead. One of his stupidest calls in the franchise he's ever taken.
And that was on purpose, but I guess George changed his mind.
There is a scene in Labyrinth of Evil where Grievous enters the bunker holding Palpatine, just standing menacingly while the doors open, and blocks a few blaster bolts with his bare hands for dramatic effect on the enemy.
A clear parallel to the ESB dining room scene though I haven't seen anyone else point it out.
Vader himself was weak, he only had one win (against ANH obi wan who was past his prime, even TPM Obi Wan was tougher than prime vader if you talk about the cybernetic one).
General Grievous/Qymaen is in every way better than vader.
Hands down one of the best characters in Star Wars. His origin story is amazing.
The Jedi Kill count is low. His official kill count of Jedi in Legends is 247 as I recall(direct and indirect) which earned him the title of 'The Knight Slayer."
I'm curious as to where you discovered this figure because in my research, I could only ever find 22 (23 if you count the mon calamari padawan from "lair of grievous") named Jedi kills for Grievous. Killing 1 Jedi is considered impressive on its own, let alone a couple hundred.
@@Manda-LORE Got a PDF of it from my old archives.
Page 59 of Star Wars Insider 86 states that Grievous "Left a trail of dissected Jedi, as many as 100 of whom he killed personally" in personal combat. So the indirect kills are most likely ones killed by armies or navies under his command.
17:54 PROPS TO BOBA
The fact that he not only survived but ALSO while keeping all his limbs to an encounter that was a ceartain death to most Jedi & high Advance Troopers speaks a lot of both
Its pretty neat to see General Grevious being a force to be reckon with within the original CWMMP unlike in TCW.
Such a great backstory too. Fully fleshed out and detailed with some actual pathos for the character. EDIT: That's what we got with the EU version of characters unlike their bastardized TCW counterparts. The original CWMMP is my absolute favorite era of Star Wars.
This is one of the reasons why I prefer the Grievous in the old EU, with such a great and compelling backstory. TCW Grievous seems like a generic moustache-twirling villain who keeps running away.
@Chosen One Yes, but we're talking in the EU Clone Wars multimedia project in general to the portrayal of Grevious, not just the micro series. Which prior to him being needed in ROTS due to his chest plates crushing & punchering his lungs at the hands of Mace Windu was actually protrayed as more comment than in TCW. The latter taking George's idea of Grevious being a villain who runs away when his plans fail up to 11, to the point of being a near incompetent leader to the CIS.
@Chosen One He has everything in the Clone Wars Multi-Media Project, such as intimidation, competence, and menace. Furthermore, his small appearance in Star Wars: Republic Commando helped bridge the gap between that game and the rest of the CWMMP, and his small comic series is special. Everything in the CWMMP is leagues ahead of anything TCW gave us and was eons better than TCW.
@@bionic-tale4313 But, what if there were two General Grievous, TCW being an unstable clone who died in episode III, and the 2003 cartoon being the original. And two more things of note Both their mentalities and deminers are different, oh, and TCW is coughing from the moment we first see him, 2003 does not cough until Mace Windo crushes his ribcage.
Alright, I knew Grievous was pretty cruel, but man... he was an absolute monster.
Peak TV Star Wars is Grevious's debut in the CW 2003 show.
23:56 Now I'm imagining a CIS completely under the control of grievous no dooku no palpy and definitely no palpy nerfing the CIS to prolong the war....And it's terrifying
Palpatine did say that with Dooku out of the way, Grievous' ability to wage war has never been stronger, after all.
With that many children, it seems there was a lot of future potential in the Legends continuity for a legacy of Grevious story of some kind. At least one of them would desire to take up their father's warrior ways and carry the torch in some fashion.
The entirety of his species probably hate the Jedi and the republic like they literally joined the battle of slavery on the side of slavery
Thanks for this. Hopefully more people will see this so they can learn how General Grievous before 2008 was great.
An excellent video detailing the actual General Grievous. A character that validated his earned his place in the CIS hierarchy and Episode 3. Unlike his TCW counterpart, who would have been dead a few months into the war.
Legends grievous: unstoppable monster
Tcw grievous: syndrome with a lightsaber
Yo, don't diss Syndrome like that. My man managed to nearly wipe out all superheroes in his universe.
Hey, at least Syndrome was a competent villain who murdered supers.....unlike TCW Grievous.
Syndrome was actually a competent villain. TCW Grievous is more like Starscream with lightsabers.
@@jedimeyer1298 I call him that beacause apparently Lucas and filoni had the idea he was a warrior who wanted to be a Jedi but couldn't
@@sgtmarcusharris4260 Ah.
I hope that one day the mask of Grievous returned to Kalee.
This was absolutely amazing. Thank you for spreading the incredible backstory of one of the best Legends characters.
Such is the story of one of the deadliest military figures the separatist army ever had. A fantastically made full biography of such a terrifying figure in the cone wars.
Your videos are a literal Godsend. Thank you, Lore Master!
Ahh, I really do appreciate how much fanart for the Kaleesh species there despite them not having any organic on screen appearance! Nearly as much as Grievous probably did to be able to Kill the specific Jedi that sided with the huk! Raaad.
A lot of that fan art is from a specific fan written Grievous backstory that's still ongoing! So far it's chronicled his childhood, the Huk War, and his time with the IGBC. If you Google the word Sahuldeem it'll pop up on the website Ao3! I cannot recommend this story enough and it needs more attention!!
The N-K Necrosis portion is always appreciated!
Other fine addition to my collection!
These biographies are absolutely amazing!
ONE OF YOUR BEST VIDEOS
*AMAZING*
I have always been interested by his style, and the fact that he weilded 4 lightsabers. Then I played as Grievous un Battlefront 2. It made me like him even more
This is one of a few things I perfer over canon clone wars, but uou know what would be even better thaj both versions ? Have grevious still be super powerful but as the war went on he started to become more cocky and arrogent, which would cost him, now that would have been nice.
yes the supreme commander of the CIS
Expanded universe: grevious is insane and dangerous and doesn’t have force abilities.
Filoni crap: he lets himself get his ass kicked by Everyone and trips over his own cape on purpose
Tbf Filoni did fix him in the unfinished TCW Season 7 arc Crystal Crisis
@@trevoranthony3018 it doesnt matter as much because its His fanfiction
That is definitely true in the expended universe especially his own comics grievous was in magnificent villain that had a better depiction of both his origin story And his clone creation against darth Vader.
Though there is an interesting fact about the the blaster that claimed more jedi than any other lightsabers before for both grievous and anakin; The modified Blaster Pistol of Freedon Nadd
Best Groovy Grievous imo.
30 Children?!
Imagine if one returned during the Empire Era.
amazing Artwork
A shame Labyrinth of Evil and CW show depict the kidnapping of Palpatine differently.
While I love the show version, the book does it even better.
That was FANTASTIC!
Ahh, when Groovy Grievous was a menace…until he was made a coward…
This is so much better than the retconned Canon
Big respect Bratan, love your work, keep it up. And your armour is really good looking ;).
Dave Felloni pretending he never heard this...
20:40 Interesting that you're using only the microseries account of the early battle of Coruscant, what about Labyrinth of Evil ?
There are no visual depictions of what transpired in Labrynth of Evil so it was easier to use the microseries, however I make a mention of the maglev train fight from the book rather than the maglev train station fight from the series. I need to some day sit down and reconcile the 2 different depictions, but they're similar enough for my purposes at the moment
@@Manda-LORE Yeah, the visual representation makes perfect sense. And tbh, the microseries depiction is better imo
A video on that goofball Lord Nyax would be cool.
He is!!!
Just can not believe that General Grevious in Revenge of the Sith is the same Grevious that beaten and defeated a ton of jedi on Hypori as shown in the 2003 microseries and got beaten by Gungans on Naboo as shown in one episode of TCW.
In Revenge of the Sith, Grievous's lungs were filled with liquid because of Mace Windu and TCW is just a poor adaption of him.
Out of all the examples you picked the Gungans one was the worst example. Gungans are mostly EMP warfare so it makes sense why they beat him
Please talk about the Count of Serenno Count Dooku/Darth Tyrannus.
I would love for you to do one of these off of Anakin Skywalker. Since a lot of my understanding of his character comes from TCW, I would like to hear about what he was before the reimagining of this era.
I will eventually do Anakin as a 2-parter
@@Manda-LORE sweet. Thanks for the info, I’m hyped
GRIEEEEVOOOOUS
Well, I have found the perfect channel to binge while building my base in fallout 76
Great video. Still Miss the old grievous.
Vor'e.
From a Sith enjoyer.
I would call it the "Original Universe" new Star Wars is just fan-fiction made by wealthy people LOL!
excellent video
GREAT video!!
It is kinda strange that Revenge of the Sith Grevious who launched an assault on Coruscant, kidnapped Palpatine to test Anakin's will, and dueled Obi Wan Kenobi on Utapau are the same one from the Star Wars: Clone Wars multimedia project (2002-2007) who killed hundreds of jedi and made several victories against the Galactic Republic in the later stages and the one from Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008-2020) who kept on loosing to the Galactic Republic and got beaten up by gungans in one episode.
It is a shame that the CWMMP is forgotten about. It is much better than TCW in almost every aspect and showed the true military strategies and complexities that are dumbed down in TCW (not to mention all of the retconning and plot holes TCW created).
Anyone know where I can find all of the material from the CWMMP?
What does CWMMP stand for?
@@kreischenderdepp113 Clone Wars Multi Media Project
This is Canon for me!
Su cuy'gar Vod!
I have a video suggestion. Please make more videos on Legends mandalorian. Weapons or more ships such as the kyr'galaar or the Keldabe class. Or even some more legends clans.
- Callum Ordo
Grievous and Dooku's hate/resentment for the Republic and the Order was understandable.
I wish Writers like Filoni do the Anime Style of Adapting.
all is proceeding as was have foreseen...
Do how many generals served the Cis and how many were left at the end of the war
Unknown how many exactly. We only have a few named ones in both legends and Disney canon.
Plz do Jedi Master Sifo Diyas original biography which got retconned in Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 6 which came out a month before Disney rebooted everything and kept the original trilogy, the prequel trilogy, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars backdoor pilot film from 2008, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars' first six seasons as their only remaining canon material made prior to April 25, 2014 in their own point of view.
7:50
I'm pretty sure that saber was blue, not green. You even show it right afterwards.
If you look at the bottom screen, there is a note that says *blue to correct the error.
I have no idea why I wrote green when I wrote the script but when editing the video I realized my mistake and didn't have a chance to re-record the line. I get maybe 1 night a month where I can actually record and if I miss that window, I have to wait for it to open again.
@@Manda-LORE Oh, I didn't see that!
I forgot to comment that but are you sure that Tarr Seirr was Ki-Adi-Mundi's Padawan? I thought he was just another Cerean Jedi who was a fan of Mundi's.
Stuff like this existing is why i don't like TCW anymore
If I may make a suggestion for a future transmission:
The Life of Quinlan Vos
Already did one on him yeeeears ago
th-cam.com/video/onQd_XAEjVg/w-d-xo.html
Manda-LORE video **o**
Thank you 😂
Wasn’t it the entire 7th Sky Corps not just the 212th at Utapau?
The 7th sky, 212th, 2nd airborn, and a detachment of the 501st
Could you do the lore on Wade vox
What are some comics/novels of the EU that contain General Grievous's origin story?
All of my sources are listed in the video description
So if mace windu had never force crushed grievous the cyborg would have absolutely stomped obi wan on utapa (I can't spell)
Very few force users could defeat the old eu grievous for both Jedi and sith
Yup. Dude is the fastest thing in Star Wars besides Grandmaster Luke himself. He has Massively Hypersonic speed prior to being nerfed by Mace’s force crush I’d say. Not even Yoda can move as fast as the dude.
@@Brendan-kx8iy facts, I feel that's why windu force crushed his chest. Because he knew a sword fight would not fall in his favor.
@@Brendan-kx8iy I remember first seeing that ability in Kotor 2
Was your jedi kill account in this video competing against users like CT-5555 and Headhunter?
Users like these when doing Legends Clone Wars content combine both Multimedia Project and TCW content.
What is his EU origin story in is it a comic or a magazine?
Star wars visionaries and an article on Hyperspace (a now defunct official fan website). For future reference, all of my sources are posted within the video description
@@Manda-LORE wow thank you
I thought Ronderu was his sister
Nope, lover.
I wish Grievous was Subtle in his Fighting Style.
What exactly do you mean by that? His fighting style as it was then is practically perfect.
@@Brendan-kx8iy I meant shove his 4 Arm Style Down Our Throats.
I liked TCW Grevious
The coward who runs when the opponent shows even a sliver of competence or being taken down by the Gungan army?