What's the Definition of "Traditional Marriage"?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- Traditional marriage isn't the "one man, one woman" story you've always heard. It's changed countless times over the last 4,000 years, almost always for the better. Let's take a look at all the different things that marriage has been, and the one thing that has remained constant about marriage over all those millennia.
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I may be home alone, but I think standing and clapping still counts as a standing ovation.
I endorse that!
Awesome!
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Very informative. Now I have a better understanding of why the religious right has been getting away from their "traditional marriage" argument and has started using the term "natural marriage".
AdamTh1 Not that's it's necessarily "natural" anyway.
AdamTh1 "Natural marriage"? That's even more laughable than "traditional marriage." We've made friends with a couple of squirrels and they have never mentioned being married. And you'd think two critters getting married would be worth coverage by the 24/7 news channels. The cuteness factor alone would generate ratings. So, why not just call it marriage and acknowledge that it's what humans (and only humans) do...and admit that we're all equal and so we can all get married.
AdamTh1 "Natural" marriage.... you know, like how raccoons do in the wild.
They do know gay couples appear in the wild too right? And that humans are the only animals who actually are against this kind of stuff?
The fact that a there was a time in my life where raping ones wife was legal completely baffles me. Sure I was a toddler but still 1993 wasn't that long ago.
Barney Miller did an episode about that.
oh ppl still THINK it even if the law says difference.
CButtonshaw I know right! It's absolutely baffling and disturbing to think people think that wives that have been raped by their husbands weren't raped. Some guy was explaining to me that it's just the husband "taking what he wants" so it's not rape. Absolutely disgusting!
@Orlog: I want his car... so I can take it without permission? we're buddies so it's fine right?
CButtonshaw HELL yeah that's totally fine! And if you crash it, thats fine also because you're buddies!
It was considered Holy in Egypt and Persia for Kings to marry their sisters and daughters. This kept the divine blood of Kings away from anyone else, although the incest had it's... side effects.
notbobby125 Didn't Europe do that for a couple of centuries?
ajones363 A lot of royal families did, particularly the Hasburgs, so the royal holding don't leave the family line.
This led too the horrifically inbred Charles the 2nd of Spain, who's jaw was so malformed his tongue was constantly sticking out, pointing UP.
notbobby125 Incest is okay morally. It's also a very natural and convenient form of love. You know your partner well from your childhood;your bond is strong and the trust is there. So ethically and morally I don't understand this whole "Incest" paranoia.
Ofcourse "side-effects". That'll only take place prominently if multiple generations are created by this way of union.
But all this is relevant only in the traditional sense of one woman->one man unions.
Today people have sex with many different people and even if you've fucked your sibling, just wear a condom for heaven's sake.
Or if you don't want to adopt like gays do or if you are that particular that you want a child from your sibling(rather than the hundred others an average American woman has slept with), you can even take the risk(provided the tests and genetic disorders and stuff).
I don't see the big fuss.
arav kris Look, I'm sorry, but I don't think people who are in incestous relationships should have children. I mean, the kids are just going to get bullied and dating will be almost impossible for them.
theyoutubecommentepidemic What you say/describe is the sorry state of our society.
But it has to change for the better.
This is an awesome video but I can imagine trying to show it to a "traditional marriage" advocate/Christain and them still arguing that the Bible doesn't actually say this stuff. So I would definitely consider adding references to the video. Otherwise many believers will write you off by saying, "He's full of shit, the Bible doesn't say that stuff. He's just pulling this stuff out of his ass."
KL
Funny part is that if they ever hother to read their own BS book they would see how a lot of that stuff was there.
Betty Bowers may say it more comically, but you've nailed it factually, as I've come to expect from you, and entertainingly, too. Thank you.
As George Bernard Shaw said, "If you want to tell people the truth, you’d better make them laugh or they’ll kill you."
“Marriage is a union between one man, and one woman, and his...sister, and the help! And 300 princesses, and a pack of raped whooores!”
I have used the Bible argument of multiple wifes and concubine before. It seems to really get under their skin. I like to end with but the Bible said so.
Dan Struchen
That is perfect and shoves their own medicine down their throats.
Home run! This is the best history I've seen/read on marriage, framing the context of same-sex marriage perfectly.
Excellent. Thanks for putting this together. I've always known & argued that marriage has changed many times over the centuries, but never had good evidence to backup my argument. I'll be sharing this with a lot of people.
All your hard work & activism is SO appreciated!!
This. Is. So. Fucking. Perfect.
Hopefully Australia can be just as traditional in the near future!
Ahhhh, i can't wait to beat my wife just because i think she cheated and marry my doughter because the bible said so! (this is sarcasm)
This is SO worth the watch!
What is the difference between marriage and holy matrimony in your opinion?
hooterville2 holy matrimony is what forgiven sinners vow to do. They don't all succeed. Hence grace and mercy and forgiveness.
Exceptional presentation! Everyone should watch this, especially those who oppose marriage equality.
This is a great find Dustin and I have to reshare. :)
Anyone who thinks life was better in the ''good old days''' is a fool.
Chris Harris It wasn't for blacks, for gays and for women. Does equal rights not make you think today is better than what it used to be? Certainly these are better days compared to when blacks were used as slaves and gay people were killed and harmed for something they couldn't control... Not everything is about the Christian ideal.
You just said a mouthful and it's absolutely true! Things like incest, pedophilia, child abuse as well as all types of rape have been going on since the beginning of mankind. Religious leaders have been perpetrating on others through their gospel, and not God's, for their own selfish motives, is not new either. Let's not forget that it wasn't so long ago, that black people held the same position in America as gays do now, through organized religion. Also let's not forget how sensitive and controversial subjects were kept quiet, hidden and made shameful to speak of. Families were more worried about their image and what others might think about them. They would lie, deny, and cover up at any cost, to keep from revealing a family member's perpetration on children. Having no concern for the child's well being, just how things looked. Tradition has been the biggest destructive force in this world, since original sin. Just because these terrible issues were not really known, didn't mean that they weren't going on. So "the good old days" were not really so good. Things have become more exposed, out in plain sight, and harder to conceal now. That's why people long for the good old days. Tradition is the anti-Christ! Wake up people, none of this stuff is really news. All of the evils of mankind that were hidden in darkness in the past, are finally coming to light. Everyone is looking for a scapegoat to take the blame for the ills of society, so as to not bear their own responsibility in it. Cop-outs don't cut it. Perpetrators are perpetrators, no matter where they come from, no group is immune from it.
I have one more thing to address then I will close. This applies to everyone, but is mostly aimed at the "Christian majority" aka Conservative Christians aka The Religious right etc...of this country and then on from there. The very book you use to place judgement and condemnation on your targeted groups, is also condemning you. If you go about cherry picking through the Holy Bible to find ways to place yourself above others, the book is calling you out too. The Holy Bible can be gone through and twisted to justify any kind of perpetration. That doesn't mean it's right or of God. Those of you who do so as a way to condone your evil deeds, and then claim it being done for God as a justification, are blatantly breaking the 3rd commandment of God. Then, your perpetrating, also blatantly breaks the commandment Jesus Christ gave about "love thy neighbor as thyself." That is your next grave error. You have just placed yourself in a very treacherous place, whether you realize it or not! Don't take my word for it, go read the New Testament in it's entirety and you will know for sure. God doesn't need anyone's help to go about getting His work done, by you perpetrating on others. I pray that everyone who has been deceived and is doing these things, will see the real Gospel of God before it's too late. If this offends you in any manner, don't blame me for it, it means you need to seriously go about reevaluating your standing with God. You are not where you think you are, I assure you. An attitude of "Holier than thou." is not real, there no such thing! That way of thinking will get you into deep trouble! I challenge anyone to show me of any place in the Holy Bible, where Jesus Christ condemned anyone! You cannot do it, because it's not there. Everything you have foolishly believed, and then, you have gone about justifying your wicked deeds with those beliefs, is nothing more than pure crap! Remember, crap is crap! and no matter how you slice it, it still stinks! This only applies to the self identified "Christians" who are doing these things. True Christians know better than to do so, and they don't! I ask God to be merciful on all of us. None are perfect. I ask Him to be more merciful to those who truly don't know better. God is not offended by the truly ignorant, who sin. Those who know better and then choose do so, are the ones that offend Him. I fear the most for those who go out, intentionally deceiving others, in order to accomplish their own corrupt agenda. I plead for you to stop now! Each person is responsible for their own salvation and will have their own hell also. No one, no church doctrine, and group can save you. You must have a one on one relationship with God through the Jesus Christ to be saved, nobody else can do it for you. I pass no judgement and/or condemnation on anyone, regardless of what you may think! I just stated the truth plainly to assist others. None of us have the right to judge and/or condemn. That is God place. I hope this has brought light to anyone who reads this. God Bless Everyone! We all need it!
"The bondage of wedlock" sounds like a lot more fun than it's probably supposed to.
This deserves a share. And another. And another! #MarriageEquality
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Interesting video xxx
This video is awesome.
Have you ever thought of including citations on videos like this? I think videos that share such rich references to history could benefit from offering links to source material so that people can more easily expand their own research. I find, for me at least, when I'm introduced to facts that change my opinions I'm often inspired to explore more of the details of the new information.
Just a thought, thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Many African tribes had various forms of marriage, including some tribes where men could only marry other men to facilitate positive relationships during times of war.
InContemplation Yep! All this video is really saying is that 'tradition' is never an excuse, but only part of the information to account for in finding solutions. It shouldn't be the stopping point in finding a good way for your life/society.
Yes, but many Africans have pagan reglions. The Christians Africans know better.
Jane Madison
What???
1. Many of those religions were hundreds to thousands of years older than the oldest writings of the old testament. Hell, Christianity itself was copied from ancient Egyptian and Babylonian rites.
2. "know better"? We're talking about a populace that had Christianity forced upon it through military might and historical censorship, what part of bowing to your oppressors faith, even against your own history is "knowing better"?
And the only reason they are Christians is because European Christianity invaded and forced itself on the populace. Many Africans like Kola Boof for instance advocate that Africans abandon Christianity and Islam and return to their indigenous Pagan faiths.
@@nikhilsilva5244 And the difference is that Cannibalism causes harm where as homosexuality if done in a safe and clean way hurts no one. Also Christianity came to Africa via Westerners and Christianity like Islam was known to forcibly convert African people. Christianity and Islam are both invading and non African religions.
I still cannot grasp how someone can dehumanize another person so much. A living, breathing person standing in front of you who does all the same things you do. How do some people block this out?
it's nice to have the option of getting a refund...
"If it changed once then we should change it again"
thank you so much for this video!
too bad it wasn't around 2 years ago when one of my teachers talked about traditional marriage and that homosexuals should call it something else than "marriage"
but i'll sure use this next time when someone brings up traditional marriage
I love Love LOVE this! And I love you for doing this research. I'm grateful for all the hard work. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
+Andy Bauer Aw hey you're welcome! Glad you liked it. :D
The definition of marriage argument isn't nearly as annoying as the claim that marriage is a religious rite and religion has monopoly over it. You only need to look at ancient Chinese culture to see this is a complete and utter exaggeration. Their ancient marriage customs can be traced back a few thousand years ago - at least 5000. Some believe it may even be older and possibly started in middle Neolithic age around 7,000BC. The earliest form of marriage was a mixture of Polygamous and Incestuous type. Incestuous marriages were later banned in late Neolithic age. And then over the next 5000 years it changed several times from one Dynasty to another. These marriages were almost entirely pre-arranged, a custom which continued until the 1900s. And guess what, no religion whatsoever. Marriage in China came about independent of religion.
Whilst I fully appreciate many people desire religious marriages .... saying your religion has marriage traditions or customs IS NOT the same as saying Marriage is a religious rite. BIG DIFFERENCE.
You don't have to look outside europe. It took christianity over a thousand years to actually get involved in marriage ceremonies. Weddings were not a religious rite in christianity during it's first 1100 years. And even after that it took a few hundred years more for the church to make church weddings mandatory. It didn't really become a religious monopoly until the 15th century. And by the 18th century, because of the reformation and all that religious turmoil and the rise of more modern state bureaucracies and the enlightment, "the church" started to loose that monopoly again.
As usual, I'm so impressed with the message, the info, and the delivery. I also enjoy the civil tone of all your posts. I'd love for all the troublesome topics of our day to have someone like you explain them with such clarity and good-naturedness. Good job.
Just found you and watched several of your videos. Your definitely one of my new favorite people. I love it when someone can win an argument with facts and sarcasm.
Fantastic. You basically mirrored what I've been saying for years about marriage.
Gee wiz it seems like they had it all figured out way back then,I can't imagine why anyone would want to ever change it. 😦 I got the crap beat out of me years ago when I was dating this one guy, he had also beat his wife (they were separated when we were together, plus I was 19ish) but it was messed up bc I loved him at the time. I'm older and much smarter, I think, and realize that I am better than that and deserve better. Now I'm single, divorced whatever and personally I don't want anyone, not even looking for men or women. But jyst wanted to comment on being treated like you would treat a pig or chicken...I'm an animal lover and we know how ppl treat animals so I'll pass on being treated like one. Thanks again Matt for fantastic video. You are one of my top 5 fave you tubers. 😉👍
Usually the TH-cam comment section is a cesspool of horrible people saying awful things. But this place is awesome and the commentators here are top notch.
You attract an amazing crowd sir, kudos to you and to your fan base for being fantastic people!
fantastic video-- will be using it in a gender studies course on marriage equality at my university here in japan tomorrow! thanks for creating and sharing such a clear, comprehensive chronology of the topic :-)
Hey that's awesome! So glad it can be helpful. Hope it goes over well! I'd love to hear about what kind of reception the video gets from the students.
Very well done Matt.
Great video!! I've never seen a more thorough explanation of this concept. Very nicely done!
Great video!
This was an amazing video!
This is an amazing video. One of your best in my opinion. You explain everything perfectly!
Scalia and Thomas should watch this video.
I would actually love to see more stuff on traditions of marriage in other cultures.
This needs a transcript. Amazing.
I remember the outlawing of spousal rape and I was stunned that such nonsense was even a thing.
I have now just finished every one of your videos.
Matt you never fail! You're just good at what you do! Congrats on this video.
Absolute genius, Matt. This took a lot of work to pull together and I admire your effort. Tight, cogent, and very, very interesting.
One of the differences (mentioned in passing here) is that buying brides is not longer customary in Western societies.
Defenders of 'traditional' marriage should take note that in ancient Rome (and other places) it ws possible for two men to get married.
This is an amazing video! I love the historical basis for your arguments. Kudos.
Matt, thanks for putting this together. I'll share it on my FB page.
You are Amazing! I thoroughly enjoy your well informed and clear thinking programs! Thank you for your sharing!
Excellent resume about the Marriage and its evolution to ours days. Love must win!
"There is no monster greater than myself and my kind." - Mark Green, Grey Faction.
Beautiful! Thank you so much for making this video X
The Old Testament also says that if a woman is raped and screamed for help, only her rapist will be stoned (unless she was somewhere no one could hear). But if she didn't scream, she also has to be stoned for sex outside marriage. Because, you know, silence equals consent I guess.
Incredibly well done, Matt. Thanks!
This is a great video! Very educational.
Nicely done Matt!!!
Absolutely awesome video, Matt! You have a new sub for sure. Shared this with everyone I know!
Why can't I like this more than once! Amazing video!
Your best video yet! Thank you.
Thank you for this, it's great to have all these arguments in one place. Nicely executed too!
The big Conservative "intellectual" on marriage is Robert P. George. You should debunk his stuff. He uses the conjugal argument, not just the traditional one. His point is that gays cannot have a conjugal union because of child birth and where the parts go--teehee. He is the main right wing big wig on this subject and has lots of street cred, bad or worse.
There is one simple way to debunk his crap. If childbirth is the reason, then why are the heterosexual married couples who cannot produce children suddenly OK? Watch him hem and haw around to answer that question. Then marvel about he goes around bypassing that issue. I love to see these liars start to sweat when they get a taste of their own crap thrown back at them. I would also like to ask him how he knows this crap for sure. Does he have a hotline to God? If so, I would love to make a call myself!
This is incredibly eye opening, and educational. This video should be Required Viewing in schools! Very well done!!!
Really great video. I knew everything in it, but it's nice to see it set out so well and succinctly. I have to admit, the goat bleating at the end had me laughing.
@Matt Baume - I LOVE you sooooooo MUCH for this!💖♡💖♡💖
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing!
Right on, Matt!
Your videos are always educational, informative and to the point! I am a fan!!!
Thank you.
I come from a culture where women had more than one husband. Something tells me that the kind of people who try to argue against same-sex marriage with the Bible wouldn't like that either...
It's so offensive to me when people say gay relationships are just like straight relationships. Straight relationships are a damn mess
The ancient greek thought of marrige as a union for children. You got married with the intent of procreation. The greeks thought of it as you had the wife you married and the man you loved.
It may have been in this comment section, but I heard someone mention that some people are starting to call it "natural marriage" as opposed to "traditional marriage" which is possibly even more hilarious, as marriage is certainly not a part of human nature.
Very interesting. Way to inform and place a mirror for the audience. Thank you
fantastic video...everyone should watch this. Great job.
you should look into the marriages of pagan and wiccan cultures. maybe do a video talkin about marriages in other cultures. ik you're not the national geographic lol but hey learning about other cultures is awesome.
maybe talking about homosexuality throughout history, or how it's handled in different countries. so many choices and ideas!
Well said!
I still can't believe marital rape was legal in England til R v R in 1991.
Also as late as the late '80s wives, along with kids, could be on their husband's British passport.
So much knowledge that I didn't know in this video.OVERDOSE, SPAZZING OUT REGRGREGD Must, RESEARCH.
Superb, Matt! Really superb!!! xo
Wow!!! That was excellent!!! I'm very impressed.
Can someone sub this in spanish? Or can I?
***** Please do! I don't speak Spanish but I'd definitely add a translation if you're able to supply one.
Matt Baume If Sophia Cordero can make one, let us know?
Jonathan Pomboza Yes, how do I edit the video to add the CC for spanish subs?
***** If you send me the text, I can add it to the video -- I'm at mattymatt@gmail.com.
Matt Baume =D YAY! Spanish! Sharing it now!
BRAVO! An enlightening "Lecture." Thank you.
Well, I guess I'm never getting married. Thank you for enlightening me
Well done, once again.
In Canada, an "indian" woman was no longer considered an "indian", under The Indian Act, if she married a white man, and left the reservation. That law was overturned in 1985
Thank you Matt. This was very interesting and well presented. DA
This is an amazing video! Good job!
I really loved this video. Thanks for making it.
Keep up the good work sir
Great video.
Wow and thank you for this!
Thank you for your work.
This was absolutely fascinating!
You are awesome!
Thank for the clarity of history.
Traditions are MEANT to be broken! I freaking hate when people say "BUT TRADITION!" Tradition always changes and trying to stick to them is pointless. Sticking to some basic guides isn't bad but to stick to tradition is.
Love you Matt!!!!
Finally. Someone who gathered documented data from history, instead of FOX News.
This video was awesome, I learned a lot of interesting things that I didn't know, which is one of the reasons I love your videos! In reference to your comment @ 7:55 about the changes in rape laws, it was also legal in Canada until our new Constitution in 1982.
Thank you! And wow it's just incredible how laws have completely failed women in so many countries... and still do.
@@MattBaume I also learned in a grade 11 law class that up until 1928 it was legal for a man to beat his wife, as long as he didn't hospitalize or kill her.
I've got to write an essay about the role of traditional marriage and this material has helped me a lot.
Thank you for posting. This is a one stop video that shoots down all the rights "logic" Amazingly informative.
crazy that this was uploaded just 2 days before nationwide marriage equality... looks like your points made a difference!
You proved the point Matt!
Thank you so much for researching and posting this. People need to be informed before they continue to blindly follow.
Congratulation Matt your video on Traditional Marriage is outstanding. This video should be shown to all schools every news channel and to the people who protest with banners of hate ... much love to you xxxx
Whaaat
And all of this was only amongst Europeans and then Americans... there have been all kinds of other traditions surrounding marriage across the world.
It is surprisingly hard to find information about that! But I'd love to do a followup video about varying traditions in all parts of the world.