Still love that Riku apologized to the INVESTORS for saying Selen's termination was negligible but not to the almost 1 million fans who supported her (myself included) or anyone else in her corner. Very smart move indeed
If I was an investor for niji (one that was big enough to even mention) I would be suing niji for the amount of lies they dropped for me as an investor...
Thats expected, his responsibility is primarily to the investors first, especially in Japan...but serious, what was with the black colour scheme? bad look given the rumors
CyYu even mentioned how Niji wanted him to completely drop his VA career if he wanted to join. The company wants nothing but full control so that they can drop them with no chance of them thriving after.
“No chance of them thriving after” **The company continues to harass Doki by releasing a statement about her private legal document during her stream** Can't be any further from the truth.
Honestly they just completely destroyed that tactic with this PR nightmare. It was so bad that several VTubers who graduated or were going to graduate suddenly UNGRADUATED, meaning they backpedaled from the NIJISANJI debut or audition process after realizing what's up.
Heres some missed parts: Mysta Rias was in 400,000 USD (might be pounds/another currency) in debt after leaving Nijisanji. Dokibird stated she spent 200k in 2023, mostly paying off people Nijisanji refused to, and made exactly ZERO profit for the entire year. Himemori Luna, the Hololive Japan talent, was formerly a Nijisanji talent, and was driven to tears many times on live stream under Nijisanji. Pomu Rainpuff saw an opportunity to be sponsored by Metal Gear, her favorite game series and working with them was practically her goal in life. Even though it would have been a huge profit for Nijisanji, they shut her down on it, and then removed the part of her graduation stream where she alluded to it. Mirei Gundou, one of Nijisanji JP's best performing vtubers, was immediately terminated after making a dumb joke about baseball (something about purposefully trying to hit the pitcher). One of the reason Zaion was terminated was for "claiming to be sponsored by companies they had no sponsorship with". This company is the hypothetical "Deez Nutz" that does not exist.
The Mirei Gundou one was iirc moreso mistake after mistake piled up on top of her (according to JP fans), with the baseball one being the icing on the cake most likely. It was still dumb but internationally only the baseball joke is mentioned
During this shit show, Hololive, probably the biggest vtuber agency out there put out their yearly financial support and it showed that each of their talents got a salary of like 30K a month, completely independent of their merch sales, superchats, and other income. When the shareholders asked the CEO, Motoaki "Yagoo" Tanigo, to be more like Anycolor to make more money, he responded, "We pay our talent what we believe they are worth, and will not be lowering their pay."
Nijisanji actually makes a lot more than Hololive but that's thanks to having nearly double the amount of liverstreamers. Of course they also don't pay their streamers as well as Hololive and don't invest in staff either,.
@@GarrusN7 I don't mean biggest in terms of money, but in reach. Gura being the most subscribed Vtuber on TH-cam, Calli making songs for both One Piece and MGS, Pekora being the number 1 most watched female streamer in all of 2023, stuff like that.
@@GarrusN7Actually Hololive makes more! They're both public and you can compare the financials. In Q3 of 2023 Hololive reported 7.13 billion yen in revenue, to Nijisanji's 6.54 billion. However Holo only reported 1.04 billion yen in net income, to Niji's 1.7 billion. tl;dr Hololive makes more money, but less profit because they aren't a sweatshop.
I would also like to add to K9Kuro's claims. In one of his earlier livestreams with VShojo, he had stated that he was originally going to debut as indie, but changed his mind. He revealed that he was in trouble his taxes and owed a lot because NijisanjiEN did not give him the correct forms/documents/numbers and refused to help him at all with his financial situation. Reaching out to many of his vtuber friends asking for help, Ironmouse said "i got you" and asked her contacts, and got him in contact with Gunrun (VSJ CEO) and was able to help resolve the issues. Seeing how someone he really didn't know, helped him out way more than what his then previous company did, made it an easy decision to join. It's heartbreaking to hear that both Kuro and Matara were genuinely flabbergasted that management as VSJ were, in paraphrasing Matara's words, going out of their way to make sure everything was taken care of and if they needed any help at all finding artists, VT riggers, BGM artists, etc., and if they needed extra funding for it.
VShojo has zero reason to go out of their way to help someone who isn't part of them, but they did and I have more respect to them. That alone makes Nijisanjo even worse and I love it. I knew that Mysta (now known as Kuro) got into tax debt because he bought a house as his work studio and was expecting a tax deduction due to being related to his work, and that it seemed like a problem that he got into himself. But my gut feeling tells me that Nijisanji refused to provide the tax deduction which resulted in his debt. I did not know about the fact that they didn't give him the correct documents, but that still sounds like a way of them f**king him over to avoid giving tax deductions.
Also to add to the management part, while I don't “think” VShojo “directly” helps with funding it, they most likely “indirectly” help by finding sponsors or marketing extra products to help fund their talent’s projects so the talents wouldn't have to pay out of their pocket. Which is in a way still helping to fund it. I just couldn't even imagine how they were able to fund their projects when they were in Nijisanji, especially when I don't believe the talents are allowed to personally have sponsors or to market stuff on their own without being anonymous about it.
@@Corethetic From what I know, it was only bad when they first came out, especially due to the three talents/streamer; Silver, Vei, and Nyanners, who caused some of the main dramas. After they left (technically graduate, but VShojo doesn't use that term), the agency started to improve over time as it recruited several fairly-known vtubers who graduated from other companies. Btw, what's wrong with Ironmouse? I mainly know her due to her having a connection with CDawg, but I don't remember her causing or being a part of any major drama like Silver, Vei, and Nyanners.
Another crazy thing that wasn't in that post is another Niji talent left in December and K9 Kuro of VShojo, aka Mysta Rias, joined VShojo because when he worked for Nijisanji he was recommended an accountant/financial consultant. This accountant/financial consultant recommended by Nijisanji had messed up so bad it left him $350,000 in tax debt. He didn't know what to do because of how bad the debt was and he asked everyone he knew for help. That's when VShojo's Ironmouse and VShojo's CEO Gunrun helped him out. Gunrun sorted out the paper work for him and managed to reduce a significant portion of the tax debt. He noted that him and Ironmouse weren't that close. They hardly spoke but he was desperate and messaged everyone he knew. Ironmouse and Gunrun said they had his back and they really did. Kuro was so grateful he joined VShojo and is working off the tax debt.
yeah, mysta was considered like the second highest paying male vtuber in the en branch and I was so surprised to hear he was in a bad financial situation cus I thought the company helped them out on it but it seems like with everything u have to figure it urself in this company.
It’s really interesting, Vox’s claim that he read the entire document actually puts Nijisanji in an unwinnable position- they said that they DIDN’T show the whole document to the livers. So either Nijisanji lied about not showing the whole document to them, or Nijisanji gave them an altered document, which is the perfect situation to stuff some lies into the document to pit the livers against Doki and the fans against the livers.
There's multiple contradictions between the Three and the statement Management released later on. To add insult to injury, Vox also said he read the entire document THOROUGHLY. The only one that didn't make it worse for Niji was Ike, mostly because he barely said anything. Vox did most of the yappin (and is getting cooked the absolute hardest)
@@danielschnitzer7044worse is that, all the content from that stream is approved prior by their legal team, so it's not like he slip up or something. Everything he said can and will be use in the court case.
Sadly this isn't even the first time they mismanaged a branch, as their India, Korea, and Indonesia branches were massive failures in part due to not having any support and almost all of the livers have since left
Not even that During their hayday, fcking mito had to do a resistance movement due to mismanagement That's why mito is very concern because this is basically the repeat of what she fought
@@crimsonitacilunarnebula They listen Unheard right? But given their most profitable liver basically revolted, they kinda bended. That's why niji jp has been at peace for the most part Now its different, niji is a giant corpo. All ibsaw if mito leaves, its over
A little correction. ID branch have behind the scene support. Webcomic, Videos, Events, Fan merch, etc are all managed by ID management. The reason why ID is one of the vocal group of people hating Kurosanji cuz them using the reason of "Mismanagement"(untrue) and Financial growth is little(basically Kurosanji wanted to focus pure money).
@@Oneiroi0 I noticed the ID branches in most vtuber companies are very tight-knit and their communities have a lot of overlap, I really respect that. Heres to ID talents having the best fans, cheers.
Revealing confidential documents as a lawyer is incredibly unethical and often illegal, especially because it seems to be an intimidation tactic. Not only should the company be sued but their lawyers should lose their law licenses.
Welp charlie is trying do hard to cancel people and now eben a company? Too big of a step to take for an influencer who only yapping and leeching from other peoples content
Charlie absolutely nailed the Nijisanji CEO’s “apology” video was *absolutely* about investors. Nijisanji has bled 160+ million in value from their stock since Selen’s termination.
when mika announced her graduation she mentioned that when she decided to leave she found out that the whole year already had people set to graduate that hadn't been announced and she had to wait a looong time for hers since they don't want it all to happen at once which is crazy
I kinda figured what with the sort of one after another we've seen. Mika in December, Pomu in January, Kyo in February. It's pretty clear they're trying to spread them out to make it seem natural
Something that wasn't mentioned was that this isn't the first time this happened with a niji branch. Nijisanji Korea, Nijisanji India, Nijisanji Shanghai, Nijisanji Taipei. ALL of them crashed and burned due to mismanagement. This time it was just given enough attention.
Nijisanji Indonesia too despite it was one of branches that actually have potential. But they closed it for good and hololive dominating ID replacing Niji and some local agencies taking over what's left
@@ainzer2903 It's crazy how hard HololiveID is crushing it right now. You wouldn't think they'd be such a massive Vtuber market but good lord they're going insane, it also helps that the ID Livers are also fantastic.
It's like Tazumi saw Hololive's success (after some very rocky and strict beginnings), and decided to copy all of the shitty things that Hololive gradually stopped doing, as if that was the secret to their success. They completely swapped places in reputation in less than 3 years, it's almost an achievement to fuck up so hard.
Also after yagoo started to become a meme *mysteriously* for *some reason* nijisanji streamers started to hype up tazumi. None of which felt natural and was very cringe. You can feel the difference between hololive members having friendly banter and poking a little fun at yagoo, and tazumi taking a selfie with him holding a sign saying "I'm selen's idol". Which is an even more insulting image now with the hindsight we have.
I saw somebody say that Yagoo was pops and Tazumi was anti-pops. It's a regular show reference but for those who don't know. Pop is the spirt of good, antipops is the spirit of evil. So yeah, it makes sence.
To add to my comment too, don’t forget Yugo’s “graduation”. He wasn’t given a chance to say goodbye unlike all of the other graduations, and his account was suspended so he literally couldn’t even post a real goodbye. Nijisanji said publicly that he broke rules, but they were at least “kind” enough to say they wanted to part peacefully to save his reputation. Nijisanji is seeing that their ex talents are thriving without Nijisanji’s help and they don’t like that, so they’re tarnishing all of their current talent’s reputation so they can’t leave and succeed. They scheduled that “message from Nijisanji” stream during Doki’s first gaming stream on purpose. They chose Elira, one of Niji’s top female streamers, and Vox and Ike, their two top male streamers, on purpose. They chose Ike, who joined Nijisanji all because of his admiration for Selen, on purpose.
Not to mention, why would Ren express how truly upset and not okay he was with Selen’s termination, only to ask people to watch last night’s suspicious stream because of how “important” it was? It’s all so disgusting of the company. I just wish all of the talent to escape and succeed on their own.
@@CiCodiCadno there were receipts posted by his mod that merch that had his handwriting on it was actually written by someone else, and that they write all his scripts and ideas for boyfriend experience streams, and did a ton of his Minecraft building for him. Rumored to be his girlfriend, although this is the part that's less certain. He's honestly lucky the Selen situation is happening since it's drawing all the attention.
@@KingBobbito that sucks about the autographs. Tbh I'm not surprised about the scripting: there's only so much inventiveness in one person, so I'd be more surprised if any liver actually 100% constructed all of their own material. But the autographs suck- unless he has a disability stopping him from writing, that's not acceptable. Unless it was Kurosanji's idea? Like, getting all the merch to and from Australia/getting Luca to them to sign stuff was too expensive and they decided to cut corners?
It’s basically proven that Selen/Doki did NOT make the posts about her hospitalization on the Selen account, those were made by the “management”. She was locked out of her accounts right after she made the post asking people to reupload the music video.
Yeah the insight into the different apostrophes that keyboards use based on location was wild. I wonder if people dig into old messages they can find out more tweets from management that people thought were from the streamers
just to put it in perspective for people who aren't in the know when it comes to vtubers. hololive also had someone who left their ranks, and was basically part of the longest group they had. because she violated her contract. and the way they handled it is different: -they wanted her so stay, and just forget about the incident. she said herself she wanted to leave. as she didn't want to be given special treatment. -everyone in the company was free to say what they want, but all of them were saddened by the news. -the CEO himself, wanted to give her another shot. but respected her wishes. but hey, thats the difference you get when a company cares for their employee rather than treat them like products.
Mel right? Is it true about them wanting her to stay? First time i hear from it but if true, my opinion of holo goes up cuz i was so angry at them for not using something like a suspension.
@@franks777_KFP what I've been hearing is she breached contract by accident (leaked company info or something like that) and that while they *wanted* her to stay, they couldn't let her because then it would render that portion of all of the other contracts null and void in the future bc they made an exception, therefore they came to that agreement.
@@gab4099 ah too bad, that aligned with what i heard. Op made it look like they were willing to go with something less severe but she opted out honorably. Well, that's harsh jp business for ya.
@@franks777_KFP It's also worth noting that Mel's name didn't become taboo, even though it was a termination rather than a graduation, everyone was free to express regrets and condolences, they did a very good job of communicating that there was no maliciousness or bad acting involved, it was just an unfortunate consequence of contract law.
Idk how I feel about that. If they wanted her to stay, then that proves to be that it wasn't a termination worthy situation because the leak was self-contained. It didn't spread like Rushia's leak did. And Mel has always been a very sensitive person, so I feel like Mel wanted to leave was just her feeling emotional in the moment. I don't think Hololive going through with it so quick when emotions were so high was a good idea. It makes me question whether or not Mel's judgement was truly sound or not. I wish she was just suspended, because even though I never watched her content, she always had a big presence in Hololive, and just her status as being one of their senpais to the younger talents was really comforting. I feel really bad for Advent because they never got the chance to meet Mel.
"She included our personal information and locations in a legal document." Yeah, obviously, because thats how legal documents work. The courts/legal system isn't going to refer to them as their personas that the companies own. It's like if someone was sueing Daniel Radcliffe and he got upset that they weren't addressing him as Harry Potter instead.
@@livecarsonreaction”Your Honour, my client, He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, is suing Mr. Potter for doxxing and slander.” “All I said was Voldemort killed Cedric Diggory.”
The thing about Selen's MV, she already got permission from LilyPichu and the producer of the song. They took it down because she didnt get permission to feature 2 vtubers, Nina and Mysta. 2 Nijisanji talents that have left the company. She didnt use their voice, just showing Mysta and Nina Nijisanji took down the video because Nijisanji didn't get permission..... FROM NIJISANJI
I hate niji as much as everyone else, but you can’t be serious in thinking THATS the cause of the video being taken down right? Selen may have gotten direct permission from lilypichu, but that doesn’t mean that she got permission from niji themselves. We all know these livers have to go through stupid hoops to show specific content and this isn’t the first time she hasn’t gotten permission to do a project.
@@sisterjanelan mv takes ages to be made, her management has been informed of said mv is being made for months. Said management much like previous times ignores her and the mv had to be out for christmas. Said management also has failed to pay creators so she paid out of her personal paypal account, said management has failed to send out NDAs so they never got signed as well. Management being woefully incompetent is what made the situation to what it is now.
"The tighter you grasp a handful of sand, the faster it empties" can't recall where that saying originates from but yeah greed is not a trait conducive to greater wealth, only a worsening reputation.
Don't forget. Selen swept the Gamer of the Year awards at the 1st Vtuber Awards, hosted by Filian. Apparently it wasn't just her hardwork but also her greater financial sacrifice, where she promoted and thanked Nijisanji in her acceptance speeches for the opportunity and how she "Wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for them." How is she damaging their reputation by promoting herself with a music video she had perms and payed for? This situation is crazy. I'm just catching up to the livestream shit show from last night...this is getting more wild? How?
The music video wasn't the issue (well, it sort of was - management didn't want it released for some reason, the current hypothesis is that it featured then-graduated livers who may have said some bad things about the company since they left, I'm not sure) - but Selen herself basically said "management" took down the video, and tried to make it look like it was their fault the mess happened. Which, maybe she's right, but either way it does make them look incompetent, which was a theme with Selen. She would try to host some fun event with her own money, allude to the fact that Niji wouldn't pay for it or were trying to trip her up with nonsense red tape, and management would smack her somehow by banning her from hosting tournaments, or pulling down her videos, or whatever it is. The mere act of constantly getting into fights with management like that is understandably damaging to their reputation, although not nearly to the degree as the shitstorm they've created now.
@@Claudekr And the way Nijisanji reacted to her "making them look bad" made them look worse, even evil because the way they used their VTubers as meatshields to take the hit after the backlash to them kicking her after her attempt on her life. Funny how that works. That whole honor thing is really biting them in the butt, huh?
Just a quick note, it's 'paid' instead of 'payed.' 'Paid' is the correct past tense and past participle of 'pay.' While "payed" does exist as a word, its usage is specific to nautical terminology, referring to the sealing of the seams of a ship's planking with pitch or tar. In general language and finance contexts, "paid" is the correct term.
@@Diamond1234 Some of what they said was scripted and might make it seem like the only reason they were there was to protect the company, but Vox in particular seemed to be airing personal grievances that it would seem very odd for Niji management to have written. I'm not convinced they were thrown out as meatshields so much as Niji wanted to make a retaliatory statement and they offered to be the faces of it. Remember there is no reason this could not have been on the Niji English channel, it was on Elira's.
The plaque thing really throws me. YOU CAN BUY MULTIPLE PLAQUES!! Not only does Niji apparently not want to waste money on an extra plaque they won't even let the liver buy it if they want to. This is what hololive does they buy 2, one for the office and one to send to the talent. It's just pettiness, they don't think the liver deserves the plaque.
Afaik first one is free, every additional copy costs a hundred bucks... a completely incidental cost. I think Riku just likes rolling on them while laughing at the talents.
@@tkfsung the waterjet channel or something cut theirs in half recently and they said it's like 700$ to get a new one shipped to you, even though through the company that makes them it's significantly less
Its like a record company loosing one artist, if they have multiple artists then indeed financially it would be bareable , but they made it financially damageing by going after her instead of just let It Go, she had allready said she was satisfied and ready to move on so they could have just let things be
par for the course tbh. MANY people feel entitled to exploit young folks for all they're worth - time, money, sexual gratification, dependence - all for the crime of... being too innocent & trusting to call adults on their BS.
Well your phone was probably made in a factory where some of the employees have committed suicide from the shithouse conditions in some 3rd world country.
My personal gripe with the CEO "apology" is that he didn't even apologize to selen herself for releasing those documents when he clearly knows that was a mistake
One detail I find absolutely messed up that was brought up in the video you referred was that when the company handed out their termination notice to Selen publicly they self reported on something that’s just dark to think about; They took control of her twitter account while she was recovering from her suicide attempt. Those tweets of her basically saying ‘I’m ok guys, see you all soon, teehee’ were NOT Selen. It was the bosses trying to save face from the fact of one of their own employees being pushed to that point because of said employee working for them. That’s just messed up.
dragoons found that before (iirc it was before the termination) they admitted taking control of her account just by noticing the " ' " were different in those tweets. But in corpo vtuber scene it's not too dark since they own everything and can do anything they want. it's just not so ethically correct
@@doctoraquisio7957 that part about the apostrophe was confirmed to not be due to skinwalking (which they have done and should not be ignored) but due to the difference in the apostrophe used by Windows and an iPhone. The tweets with the "incorrect" apostrophe were from her phone right after she got out of the hospital, likely because she didn't have access to her computer at the time for whatever reason and wanted to address her fans ASAP since she knew everyone knew what happened. Unless there's more information beyond that point, I'm pretty sure that's the last conclusion speculators have come up with on the matter.
@@YukiMurakumoThe maujin video Charlie references at the start confirms it by overlapping the date of the tweets and when niji’s statement says she was stealth suspended and lost social media access
@@YukiMurakumo I actually didn't know/heard about that but the time line supports the theory tbh (my first comment was from my pc and this one was from phone)
I'd argue this all started WAY before Selen's music video. I'd say the catalyst was when we were first made aware of their practices via a leak that happened a year back when we found out they did shadow suspensions of their talents under the guise of them "taking vacations" or "breaks" as well as how bad and utterly incompetent their management truly was.
Definitely, this is fact, not opinion. The MV was just the tipping point, the last straw. Ask anyone who've been following the situation for much longer than when it blew up cuz of the MV and the events that followed. That explanation video is incomplete.
Way earlier than that. It starts from the IN ID KR branch dissolved and multiple graduates from the branch. Getting worst when the 3D live is cancelled and Niji pumping the debut of vtubers.
It goes even further beyond. i personally took that leaked discord group dm bashing holo council as a massive red flag. Before that point, my opinion of them was pretty neutral.
22:15 Funfact Elira who had that video posted on her channel (most likely forcefully) is that she is on a work visa in Japan so she could literally be getting blackmailed with deportation and her way of living
That's not how work Visa's work in Japan, they are managed by the government and upon termination or resignation from a company you are granted 3 months to find a new job
Important Key Notes: Riku Tazumi (CEO & Founder) owns 45% of Anycolor shares and is valued at probably 1.5 billion dollars. He is roughly 27 years old now. While not always important, it is important in how hard he is squeezing water from the stone to accumulate his wealth so quickly. He bragged about his 198million dollar Superyacht during a period where the company was seeing oversaturation for talent/lower incomes. This 1-2% merch info comes out. And that was all sort of during COVID that he flexed. So, yeah. Dude is out of touch and still has a lot of failures someone in their 20s would have that has grown out of touch at such a pivotal age.
Also note that Matara Kan (Nina Kosaka) and K9 Kuro (Mysta Rias) were both extremely relieved to find themselves in Vshojo. Matara herself commented that it was incredibly uplifting to not have to compete for company resources alongside other talents, and actually have a management team that backs her up and supports her projects, implying that she did not have much of either while she worked for Niji. This paints a very bleak picture for how Niji operates.
@@stupidheadwisp The main reason the company is in this condition is because of the pants they made. They made pants for males which hid their piggy and they made a pants for women which has a built in piggy. They got huge backlash.
We in the Vtuber community, has known about Niji's bad reputation for a long time, but people still wanted to support the talents themselves, which is why Niji has survived so long, it was a powder keg waiting to explode, and Seleln's termination was the spark
I'm sad that it sparked now, and not in 2021 when all the Non-EN and JP branches got Effed hard. And the only OG ID member worth watching left last year as well. Mika Melatika, she was last heard speaking in one of Vshojo's K9kuro's streams as "friend". It's the trash of trash companies.
These agencies literally rely on that ‘we’re helping the person/ talent ’ to completely exploit talent to maximum degree while minimizing risk. They own everything and thus your 99% helping the company vs 1% to the person… no company would take on such risk and behave this way unless they could use innocent waifu’s ( the nature of the fans para social relationship is important, it’s like the childhood love interest vs regular person) as a shield!
This mentality needs to stop. If a company is garbage, stop using them. The employees will find other jobs in other places. Nobody would keep using Walmart because they "want to support the employees", ditch this parasocial garbage when it comes to entertainers. I get the impulse but you have to make your own decisions on whether the company is worth supporting. On the other side of things, if the people working for them aren't happy with their conditions they should leave. I'm so sick of this culture of complete non-accountability we have nowadays where we're all just supposed to feel sorry for everyone all of the time because life is hard. Life is hard for everyone. You have to man up and make the hard choices you know are right, not the easier ones that you know are wrong.
the suspicion started wayy before zaion’s termination, yugo didn’t even have a proper graduation and was the first to “go away”, and the AR live concert being cancelled as well. so much lost opportunities for the livers basically 😭😭 dunno why they wanna stay there soo bad 23:15
I'm guessing there's a clause in their contracts when they signed on essentially forbidding them to just.... quit. I read from another comment there's a wait list to getting graduation because Nijisanji doesn't want a mass of graduations all at once. Many of them might just be treading water until they have an opportunity to jump shit and until then are essentially being held hostage.
@@c-puff Another thing: 'Selen' mentioned how toxic the working enviroment at nijisanji is, so I wouldn't be surprised if they also directly threaten their talents (the vtubers) to the point where they're too scared to leave. Also Charlie mentioning that the contracts with nijisanji essentially make your entire life 'belong to the company', that also makes it difficult for someone to leave the because they will have trouble staying afloat after they do so, so they'd rather stay and have trouble than leave and lose their entire livelihood or more.
It's been pretty much shown through statements that Sayu, Matara Kan and Kuro have made that nijisanji essentially gaslights their talent into believing they aren't worth anything without nijisanji. That's probably the only reason more haven't left yet. Matara and Kuro have only really implied it where Sayu has a clip of her saying it more outright. Hopefully Doki proves to more in Nijisanji that want to get out that the fans value them more than their company does and they won't just lose all of that when they leave.
I just want to add, Selen's access to her socials was removed on the 26th of December. The statements made after that date were not Selen's words, those words were the company's under the guise of Selen posting it herself.
The big 3 is now Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect. But back then, it was Holo and Niji. THE MOMENT I SAW YAGOO BEHAVE, i knew he was the consumer of his own product, just like Gaben. I knew Hololive was the choice lol
On one side, you have a guy flexing his new yacht, while the other side, built a multimillion dollar studio to accomodate their talents. That alone should tell you what their priorities are
@@faisfaizal5194 Tazumi is flexing his yacht Yagoo is flexing their state of the art 3d scanner, case in point, the fried chicken in that medley music video
The best part of this all "After a rigorous legal check, ANYCOLOR Inc. hereby declares that it has not made any confidentiality violations while checking the validity of claims made by Selen and her lawyer with its affiliated Livers." They can't be in legal trouble, they *hereby declared it.*
Meanwhile, every lawyer in Canada is all "damn, I wish I was Doki's lawyer..." because goddamn the settlement will be glorious - when you employ a Canadian resident, you're subject to Canadian labour laws, and they are extremely strict, and equal to everyone. As a bonus, Niji can escalate all they want, but they'll never reach a point where it becomes too expensive for Selen to continue because _that's not how it works in Canadian legal affairs._ The lawyer works on contingency - they only get paid when the plaintiff gets paid (and only 40% of the total settlement maximum, a percentage that's decided before proceeding to trial). In short, they can hereby declare whatever the fuck they want, but they're still hilariously guilty, and they _will_ pay.
The council has invoked a special comitee formed of its members so as to ascertain whether it was guilty or not. The comitee has decided the council was not guilty of any infractions
Kurosanji is on fire while Hololive is all sunshine and rainbow right now. It is even funnier when you see that on Hololive side, Hololive has just terminated one of their oldest talents, and it was taken by fans as by far, the most peaceful and good natured termination ever. While on Niji side, every termination and graduations in just the past 2 months has been the most chaotic and slanderous in all of Vtubing history, just behind the likes of WACTOR.
another point about the recent hololive termination was that they really didn't want to do it, but knew they had to since breaking nda is a very huge no-no, especially in japan. they even let the vtuber in question, yozora mel, make a statement about it on twitter before she said goodbye to everyone. it was 1000× more well-recieved than whatever nijisanji did with the terminations of both zaion/sayu & selen/doki
@@ZXUmiif Mel breaking NDA is already a big nono, niji revealing private legal documents is definitely a bad look... Makes me feel like gaijins of EN are treated as second class citizens with little rights
@@OwinBlazer If you are a non japanese person working for a japanese company like this you are in for a time. 100% treated worse and not just Niji is doing so.
I'm kinda not surprised they didn't mention the first EN Vtuber that left - Yugo. The short version to that is they left because they wanted to focus on singing more than video games. And management said no. Yugo has an AMAZING singing voice, like actually amazing. It's why CyYu declined to join Niji - because they wouldn't let the professional voice actor to voice act if he did.
Yugo was also terminated because he let it slip that it was harder to appeal to female viewers like his coworkers did because he was transgender and that it was very hard for him in that regard and Nijisanji didn't like the "immersion break". So they punished him for that too I think.
Oh. I saw that mentioning somewhere on Twitter the other Day. Could not make much out of it because i was and still am not that invested in everything. But now what he said back then makes Sense to me in Retro Perspective.
Thats why the hololive community adores and respect yagoo he cares and appreciates and respects his talents whenever i hear the stories from the early days with sora and A chan to sakura miko and suesei how he managed to convince them to stay on when they wanted to quit and he helped and encouraged them not to give up man is a truly the "best girl" of hololive.
So much I want to say here, but I’m at work… Hololive wasn’t even his idea, he was just from a company that sells hardwarefor vtubing stuff. But A-chan and Sora approached him, he liked the idea and the 3 of them made it happen. Sure, he probably saw money in this, but it was a gamble. The way he went about it is what I like. There are several instances where talents have said he “saved” them, usually from a bad financial situation. Subaru is probably the most famous one, where her house had burned down, she needed money, but had no prior experience in streaming or anything. But Yagoo hired her anyway because he liked her attitude I think. Those were the early days though, now you need experience. He’s also the buttmonkey for the talents to “bully” and make fun of. His image was the punching bag for Coco, some idols made ridiculous looking statues of Yagoo in Minecraft, even his nickname of Yagoo was created by Subaru because she misread his name, and it stuck. I really can’t imagine a Japanese CEO letting an employee make fun of him, in public or private, but he does. I know it’s very good PR, but still…
The key to Hololive's continued success is maintaining the successful business formula and not getting complacent just because the Nijisanji yacht is sinking.
@@Mousse9 Well there's a distinct difference between what is clearly understood as friendly banter and genuinely mean-spirited mockery. No CEO would tolerate the latter, never mind just a Japanese one. Yagoo is pretty easy-going as far as Japanese businessmen go but he'd obviously still come down hard on one of his employees being genuinely malicious about him.
Whats also likeable about yagoo is he actually watches his talents' livestreams and understands the culture behind the memes and the fans deeply. A passionate businessman almost always wins everybody than a soulless one. I wonder how many times Riku has seen more than 15 mins EACH of his livers' stream LOL.
I should mention that the Reddit summary missed out on a key event that actually signaled itself as an omen of things to come, and it was the termination of a liver named Yugo Asuma (now goes by the indie handle "Unnämed") many months before Zaion's termination. Part of the reason most people overlook it is due to how obscure the series of exchanges were - very much unlike how they handled the ones that followed. I feel it's very important to mention this because Yugo's termination gave the company the confidence and a sense of security that they can get away with shit like this. That bit is evident with how much bolder and more obnoxious they kept getting with each consecutive termination statement going forward.
@@Privatewelt its cus honestly after looking at all terminations he did not deserve it cus he really didn't do anything too hardcore. Its again nijisanjis weird ass rules that they enforce at times and not in others. When he go terminated I was so frustrated and he wasn't even my oshi. I was so shocked by it, the way they left us hanging and from that point I stopped checking nijisanji out and thank god I did cus the shitstorm that happened and is happening ---OMG.
It was framed as a graduation and the only major issue I remember hearing about was a drunk stream where fans were misidentifying him which caused a liver to come into vc and calm him down this isn't the first time it has happened since even around debut it was going on but things got intense if I remember@@mikoposter
It's really disheartening to hear about the unfair treatment of talent by such a massive organization. The importance of transparency, respect, and fairness can never be overemphasized. Hopefully, this highlights the need for changes within the industry.
The biggest thing many people haven't clued in on is when the CEO clarified their mismangement in his announcement. "Regarding TH-cam content, we did not have official programmes available until fall last year." They have been operating the EN branch since May 2021! That is close to 3 YEARS of no "official" programs and for their talents which means there is almost 0 cooperation between talents and explains EXACTLY why their PR handling of this is a nightmare. Everything they are doing is VERY "Japanese" in nature for PR responses. And to clarify what I mean by this is simply that the Japanese believe in FULL trust and devotion to a company and there is NEVER any BAD publicity directed at a company because of VERY strict defamation laws in Japan. Those laws can effectively cause you to be sued by something as little as posting a 1 star review of a company if they can simply prove malice. With that context, everything they keep publishing that digs them a deeper hole is backed under the belief that the "Company can do no wrong" which is NOT the case especially one in such a public setting.
Japan's corporate culture is very expliotative. It's one of the few bad things that foreigners tend to overlook when they think of Japan. There is also the whole idol business.
Nobody’s even mentioning the sh*t that’s been happening on the JP side. They’ve got a mass exodus of talents going too, and it’s been that way for months now. This isn’t an EN exclusive issue.
@@TK0921Bro... It's been months. It basically a floating ship at this point, many of their talents dipped and saw no points in continuing. Many talents that aware of issue saw the writing on the wall and dipped.
What downfall? I just looked up their financials. They're financially strong. 28% profit margin. Debt to Equity Ratio of only 1.2%. EBITDA of 11.73b Yen. The stock isn't even trading below their 52 week low. Anycolor (owner of Nijinsanji) is going to be alright. In fact, market cap > enterprise value. Which means traders are paying premium for their stock.
@@claudius_drusus_ But we don't know how bad this is going to get. Most people agree that the Japanese branch will be fine, but the english side is still in turmoil, and their bad reputation is spreading. What happens if more high-profile members leave, or more information about harassment comes out? Too early to see the full scope of damage.
@@claudius_drusus_ Yeah Niji probably isn't going anywhere. They have torched their EN reputation though and that's going to mean something for fan support going forward as well as the quality of applicant that is going to be willing to join them in the future.
Let's also not forget about what happened to Nijisanji KR and ID. They were the former Korean and Indonesian branches of the company that were eventually dissolved into the JP branch sometime around the end of 2022. After the merge, many of the livers who used to belong to those branches started graduating left and right, moving on to other things. Now that all of this has come out, it's probably not a stretch to think something similar was going on behind the scenes with them. I genuinely think the only branch Nijisanji really cares about is their main JP team. I was a big fan of Nijisanji EN back in 2022 but fell off keeping up with the talents at the start of 2023 because I had less free time. Recently, it feels like I'm only coming back to watch the graduations of my favorite livers - biggest was Pomu. Can't believe they've had to deal with this crap the whole time from their own company.
I was a huge fan of Niji ID. They were like a close-knit family, all of them (including ID management) are based and are eager for growth. Frustratingly of course, Anycolor just drop them into the mud. You know what's really sad? Those ID livers who already left are STILL meeting up together even now. They have their own youtube channels and even meet up for some games like DnD where the usual ID chaos ensues. Truly shows you that they are genuine friends who enjoy each other's company. It's really a shame that they couldn't just continue to grow doing all of that as a vtuber in Niji ID.
@@ainzer2903 Basically a vtuber group ran by Capsule Inc. where Nijisanji gave them their branding and technical support. They hemorrhaged pretty fast and Niji ended up pulling its branding so they got relabeled as VEgo as Shanghai failed and got merged into what was left of Taipei. It was almost entirely dead by the start of 2020 though and fully dissolved soon after.
One thing that the loremaster missed regarding Pomu was before she left one of her membership VODs (maybe all of them? I'm not sure) was made public. And in one of them she mentioned how she in her own words "missed out on a once in a lifetime opportunity because it was denied to her." Obviously denied by management and no negotiations or anything were allowed even though she obviously wanted to do it.
Just read in another comment referring to what I imagine is what you are taking about here, and it was a collab with Konami, which would be huge for anyone and heartbreaking if taken away, but even worse that it was passed off to another member? That's downright sinister.
@@JJtoob She didn't mention exactly what the opportunity was for obvious reasons. But there was a lot of speculation it was related to MGS or Konami since she is a HUGE MGS fan and there was an announcement related to MGS around the time.
Not only that, once her long time members began to draw people attention to that VOD because they remembered the conversation and could freely talk about it since it was now public, management then re-privated that one singular members stream. Pomu made all of her members content public as she left, but when people began to look a little too close at a probable reason for her wanting to leave, management swept it under the rug and prayed people would forget.
All her members VODs were made public after her graduation as after TH-cam cancels them the content disappears all talents are a lot more personal and less filtered on members content and she basically stated how upset she was with the way things turned out because of management decisions. That VOD got deleted specifically because of that as the other membership VODs are still up
On the other side of the "vtuber titan" companies with Hololive/Cover: Cover's CEO actually told a stakeholder that was commenting on how the merch sharing % talents get isn't good for the profit of the company, that the talents are paid what they're worth. Imagine working for a place that isn't trying to bleed its employees dry. Thank you to Yagoo and Cover for not being Niji. They also send the talents their play buttons btw.
They fucked up a lot of times in 2020. But, they learn from their mistake, owning up to it, fix whatever they could, and move on. No dogpiling or doubling down to make themselves look good.
Hololive also invests a lot more in it's vtubers, they made one of the biggest motion capture studios in Japan, it costed them 20 mil USD and is made specifically for vtubing and even has different studios to record songs which was requested by the talents. Not to mention they always try to create more opportunities and project's for them, last year they had a whole album with Deco Nina this year they are collaborating with Honeyworks for another album, as well as with Universal music for another music project.
@@thejamesonthestreet Yeah, Even at their worst, you can at least assume that management mean well Fucking hell, is not like Hololive is immune to fucking up (Hitomi, Aloe, Rushia, the entire Coco saga, Mel, etc..). But they still try to get better.
I never thought the name “Zaion Lanza” would be uttered by charlie’s mouth lmao. All this time she’s been ridiculed, they hated her for telling the truth and look where she is now.
saddly there are still people hating/harassing her despites her debunking a lot of stuff and apologizing about the things she did do wrong I really do feel bad for her and she never really got support for a long time after her situation
Honestly I feel so bad for her. Maybe she has fucked up as well (we don't know), but for the love of god she was right. Everyone that didn't listen and harassed her should feel ashamed of themselves!!
NijiEN loses a member from each gen. Never gets breaks. HoloEN has lost 1 member due to personal circumstances and is still referenced and loved 2 years later within company. Gets long breaks, Gura didn’t stream for a year and Mumei literally left for a month to be with Doki. Shit is wild in the difference in company culture
@@CompuBobBy their track record, it doesn't seem like they do stealth suspensions. There were those that thought they should have when Vesper got suspended, but in hindsight, it's good that they didn't.
It's crazy it doesn't seem like anyone's talking about Yugo in the situation too! Yugo was the first termination from Nijisanji EN in 2022. They claimed he 'graduated' but gave none of the proper respects to a graduating v tuber, like a final stream or keeping their twitter open. Some of his team members were on vacation, but with the allegations there were shadow suspensions, it's more likely they were suspended. Because they came back the exact day Yugo was fired, and made streams in the following days talking about how they fought for Yugo
@@trashdoge1217 he did not. The other ex-talents / current talents wouldn't currently still be interacting with them in their current form if this were even remotely true.
The "Yacht" thing is just a meme that popped out of 4 chan since thats typically what millionaires do. This is in contrast to Hololive's *2.7 billion yen* studio they have invested for their talents. Also 2% is not the norm. Hololives cut is 50% or more, with the talents having most of the creative liberty on what the merch would be with the company taking care of the production and contacts. They also get a standard salary aside from the superchats, so this gives them stable income that they can actually get by regardless of performance.
An example of that creative liberty is Yukihana Lamy's Sake merch that she herself was heavily involved in the process of making and deciding the taste of the sake. It was described as "A Koji and rice malt-driven sake with rose and melon, pollen and cherry blossom. Savoury and fresh." During the International Wine Challenge 2023 (IWC).
I believe it started when people analyzed why they spent so much on paying taxes and then it was revealed that they were barely investing anything and were just hoarding money so people started to joke around about the money actually being spent on a yacht.
i mean mans about to lose billions. his company lost millions of dollars in worth and its still sinking, he is going to have to put money to fix it and get back to where he was.. if he makes it back
16:30 Just a note about merch: this is not the norm in the vtuber space with merch, that Nijisanji pays a low % to it's talent is an outlier. Hololive isn't without it's controversies, but one thing it does right is a huge merch cut to their talents, potentially 50%+ of custom merch goes to the talent. Talents with Phase Connect, idolCorp, and Brave have been happy with their cuts as well. It's only Niji where this awfulness happens.
Yeah but only customs, which is merch funded by talents themself. Talents get higher cuts on merch in special days like birthday/anniversary, they choose the type of merch to be made, hence having nearly total involvement/control of that merch, hololive will provide connection to manufacture and provide platform to sell merch in exchange for a percentage cuts. However, with merch that is having 0 involvement from talents, such as company event merch, collab merch, talent will probably get the same 2% treatment or around that number. Because in this case the company own the IP, they pay for everything, from design to manufacture to advertising, with out the need of talents, it will be unfair that talent share the same high cuts in this case.
@@sussusamogus4714 Nowadays. Hololive has cleaned up its act, and should be recommended for it, but it used to have the same sort of "respect mah autoritah" managers. But yeah, these days the difference in professionalism between Nijisanji and Hololive is like night and day.
I wouldn't be surprised if things were just as bad on the Japanese side as well. Just that the work culture in Japan is to bow down and be obedient while silently suffering abuse and harassment from companies.
probably so, given the fact that Japanese fans are currently defending the company and saying they did nothing wrong. Their culture is used to corporate harassment and toxicity.
Funny you say that, cause Niji JP's first gen Yuki Chihiro graduated amidst Selen's incident, she stated that she, along with her genmates have been forcing themselves to stay at Niji until she finally gave up and graduated. Then, not even 1 week later, she debuted as an Indie Vtuber, Sakura Aoi, and her genmates tweeted about her debut, not even giving a fck about what Niji thinks anymore.
@@farequinas5615 Yeah, definitely sounds like things are just as bad on the JP side of things. Hopefully as many as possible can manage to get out and have a successful indie redebut.
Not covered by the post but its also speculated that Pomus graduation is influenced by the company denying her oportunities that where offered to her, which was shown after she unprivated her members VODs right before graduating (they got re-privated later)
Seems he used some decent sources of info here. I could pick out things that probably deserve further context, but it was better than a lot of the videos I've seen on the topic from people not in the know.
Part of the reason why some people suspect they were coerced in a way was bc el1ra was in JP with a work visa and all so it might've been used against her. idk if this is true or not but honestly it's still messed up that the company had other livers involved. they could've had that 15min stream on their main channel and not a liver's and they should've kept Selen's papers private.
One of the upsides of the modern days is that these types of corporate misconduct surfaces faster. I'm sure back in the 90s there were hundreds of idol agencies who had been getting away with worse stuff for entirety of their existence.
You're not wrong. Japanese vtubing agencies are based off the old idol agencies. It's why they are so controlling and brutal. This is the culture of they own you and your image...
i’m not someone that watches VTubers like at all, but i have to say one other Nijisan streamer i’m worried about is Scarle considering she liked a post that went against the company and was one of the only few that hadn’t shared statements from the company it’s theorized that Nijisan saw her like something and got into her account to remove the like + some of her videos seem to be missing so if she’s the next one to go, we know why ALSO. known VA Alejandro Saab (VTuber name Cy Yu: Jing Yuan in Star Rail, Cyno in Genshin, Akihito in Persona 3 Reloaded, etc.) had applied to Nijisan and they tried to make him quit his voice acting work because they basically wanted to own his voice and have control of where he can be featured in projects
Seems the videos were upcoming ones that got canceled? Not sure why they were canceled, but Nijisanji also has a history of "silently suspending" its talents. People disappear for a week after something like that and people just assume they're being punished now.
Something is fishy as fuck because Nijisanji took down all of her merch from the official site and her stream was supposed to begin like 2 hours ago and still nothing
She is already on the chopping block. They locked her out of her account and she is currently shadow-suspended. She missed her last to scheduled streams with no word of notice or explanation.
A few things charlie might've missed: Every tweet on the selen account after christmas had not been written by selen/doki. The termination notice admits to having taken away her access to her accounts. The tweets also use an apostrophe, that looks like a comma instead of like this -> '. Some people refer to this as the japanese apostrophe. Fans had been suspecting that nijisanji was puppeting twitter accounts in the past, but this confirmed it. In the past, so-called stealth suspensions were also viewed as conspiracy theory bullshit, until nijisanji confirmed this practice themselves. Zaion Lanza's termination notice stated that she had been suspended in january. Now here is where it gets funny. Nijisanji self-reported here, as the only time Zaion/Sayu had been gone during that time was a break she had taken to be with family. Sayu later admitted, that she was forced to tweet that excuse to cover up the actual suspension. The issues Sayu described and that had been shown in Selen's case, point to management being lazy and vindictive. Rules would be made up on the spot, punishments handed out for things other livers had done before and had continued to do. The general modus operandi seems to be letting talents do what they want and punishing them after the fact instead of actually responding to requests and supporting the talents. Pomu for example had to cancel her 3D debut, because she never got a 3D model at that point. The company fucked it up. The yacht thing is a meme. There has never been any confirmation about the yacht existing, but people ran with it because it's funny. The meme is actually older than this incident, because nijisanji had been acting greedy long before this happened. Their JP side had a talent switch over to hololive due to harassment. One of their jp talents had a meltdown over a different talent due to them having similar mannerisms of speech, resulting in a legal battle. One of their talents had been terminated for a tweet about baseball, asking "why don't they just throw the ball at people's faces?" I could go on, but if you're interested, the rabbithole goes deep. Usually companies introduce new vtubers in groups or "waves" as nijisanji calls it. The time between these debuts is usually quite long, ranging from 6 months to over a year. Nijisanji was known in the community for "accelerating", meaning debuting multiple waves a year in an effort to throw as many talents out as possible without checking to see if the management could handle that many. Due to these incidents, anonymous imageboard posters joked about riku (the anycolor ceo) preferring to spend the money buying yachts instead of supporting his talents. One more sad tidbit: Noor from the sacked indian branch of nijisanji had been working as an EN manager after her activities as a liver ended. They were too cheap to employ actual managers and instead let a complete newbie handle multiple talents.
On your last tidbit; I think all of the IN branch were moved to management. I do remember (albeit vaguely) in one stream that someone did confirm that one of the managers that they were working with at that time was, in fact, Vihaan. I think he might have even said hi in chat when this happened.
The comma thing is unfortunately not a reliable thing to look at. It's been shown in the past that multiple confirmed tweets by Selen have had the comma before.
For comparison, Hololive gave a 50% share of profits from merchandise sales for the talent, they also get a monthly salary, profit from SC from add, health insurance, and talents are allowed to take long periods of leave for their mental health,Talent gets money for Debut or travel to Japan Nijisanji gives 2% of the profits from merchandise sales and they monopolize the merchandise so only they can put out merchandise, Don't get a monthly salary because they are freelancers so they also don't get health insurance,If they go to Japan for travel purposes they have to pay for everything themselves and they have to pay for their own debut needs
So why does anyone sign with them? Are they dumb? Or are they only the low-talent people who are rejected by better companies, thus driving the company to take more of the income in order to be competitive? It's like paying $20 for a Big Mac knock-off over and over again, instead of just going to get an actual $5 Big Mac.
@@calicotree_Money for travel means plane tickets n not all accommodation needs, This was confirmed by Kobo where she said that the plane tickets were paid for by the company
people in America probably prefers 70:30 or 80:20 in favour of the creators after being used to old twitch rates. they probably think a 50:50 is a terrible deal
Any Ceo should know this and remember it well, they are not the pillar holding the business they have up, the workers/employees they hired are the ones holding up the business.
Random footnotes, they had an Indonesian branch that got eventually merged with the main branch, but almost all the livers, including many close with the EN branch from that branch have left. I'm not saying Zaion/Sayu isn't an important part of this story, in fact she is a very important part that gets way deeper, but just before her, Yugo Asuma who goes by Unnämed was terminated in December 2022 and they actually gave no reason to why he was terminated. They also have a "virtual talent academy" and at some point over 2023 almost all of the members had been terminated. And if you weren't sure how knee-jerk they are rn, the latest 3 to join the EN branch were given roughly a weeks notice to debut, and their debuts and existences were advertised two days before their debut, which if you don't know, is not enough time to prepare a proper debut, have everything ironed out, lore videos prepared, hype built, and it showed. They were forced to rush through their debuts because it was mostly unplanned and regarding the results, it also showed because they used to have a reputation of 100k+ subs on debut per liver. And they came out at about 30k. Provided, I'd love to have 30k subs, but I'm just wittle ol' me, not a 2.5 Billion dollar company.
The statement they gave for the ID fans really hurts too, there was even animosity because management was clearly showing favoritism to the EN branch by that point where some from ID/ex-ID were preparing to graduate. It's kind of ironic looking at this situation when previously they dumped the original EN / overseas branch
Niji is VERY profit focused. Indonesia market just ain't profitable enough for them, not a lot of Indonesian donates to streamers and even less pay for the overpriced official merch.
@@tengahhidup true this. TH-cam ads is cheaper on ID, but. There are more views on video. Less for streaming tho.. Biggest ID game streamer have 20k ish daily stream, while on west biggest streamer can get 100k views.. But, operational cost in ID definitely a lot cheaper than west
Yagoo: Appears on last Coco's stream after all the drama with China and tried to protect her from haters. Riku Tazumi: Exploits all his talents like they're his slaves... This is literally hero and villain story of Vtubing
There is a reason why we call Yagoo (CEO of Cover/Hololive) the best girl. He made a few mistakes in the past, like everyone does, but he learned from it and made the company better. Kurosanji on the other hand... Yeah, they give a fuck about there livers.
Yugo Asuma also ended up leaving early on, it wasn't ever really explained why but they now stream under Unnamed/U-San. It was always weird how their livers would leave and then reappear under different names or agencies
Selen was one of Yugo's favorite vtubers, and they seemed to have a great time meeting up for a collab stream a couple years ago. Now they're streaming together again this week, which is really cool to see.
@@myeggyweggyIt was a forced-graduation. Nijisanji wanted him out, but they didn't want to simply terminate hin. So instead, they negotiated and let him signing off the graduation. They did this so their hands don't get dirty, but this could only work once.
Doki deserves to be able to move on with her life after being bullied and harassed until she made an attempt, but her abusers just won't let her, they did this during her first gaming stream causing her to have a panic attack live in front of thousands of people, at least they self reported saying that the 3 of them and 2 others were in the lawsuit aka they were the ones named as bullying and harassing Selen, they claimed they weren't bullying her behind closed doors while they publically bully her, Doki's lawyer is getting so much free ammo from these abusive idiots.
@@sssS-ch8nr That's the MOST FUCKED UP PART, She didn't say ANYONE was bullying her, THEY DID in an attempt to get ahead of potential accusations, She just alleged workplace harassment vaguely AS A RESPONSE to their hitpiece of a termination notice
@@sssS-ch8nr Elira Vox and Ike admitted to being listed in Selens legal document, and stated Millie and Enna were also in it, a legal document listing bullying and harassment allegations, aka they self-reported themselves and Millie/Enna as being the main abusers, otherwise they would not have been in the document or listed in the lawsuit.
Bruh the plaques is crazy. Holo the other big corpo buys 2-3 everytime. They bought three for the twins. Two for them and one for their wall. It’s like $100
I was just thinking to myself "can't they order two" when he was talking about the plaques, it's absolutely insane that they wouldn't even give them that
One scummy thing you missed, Selen has memberships for her channel, and after the termination, instead of management canceling memberships and refunding for that month which is par for the course with graduations and terminations, they kept it open. Memberships are still going to be charged until February 29th with no refund or anything, so the viewers are getting scammed by the company on top of everything else. It was also alleged that the Elira Pandora "A Message from Nijisanji" video was/is monetized, as well as the message from the CEO.
I wasn’t surprised, the way streamers have been leaving/terminated (AKA graduating) the company just shows how much they don’t care for their employees.
"The company kept the youtube plaques" It reminds me when I had to another city for a training while a worked for a group home. I was present for the training, but when I decided to quit, I took everything that "belonged" to me; I later on found out, that even when i trained and received the certificate, it was not mine. Weeks later I received a call demanding for me to return it. I guess they were so petty that they believed I shouldn't own something they paid for to help me find a new job.
Just scan the certificate and put it on your online website/resume/linkedin. No reasonable company will ask you for a hard copy of any certificate, this is 2024, everyone only ask for a soft copy of it. Hell, even sometimes company only care if you write it down on your CV, they don't really check your real certificate. Your work performance will prove it anyways, so the certificate doesn't really matter
@@shirohiruka I could have done that, but never thought about it, well, I didn't had a scanner/printer back then. I still return them the certificate, I know they couldn't use it cause it had my name. 🤔 I think the owner of that group home already died and her daughter too.
@@makokoro9073 I wouldn't know your local laws but a company or institution in majority of the world cannot force you to return a certificate or any such document. Only the issuer - aka the agency which provided you the certificate and invalidate it or cancel it but that'd require a valid reason such as unfair means, wrongdoing or such. No one can simply take back a certificate, same way a college cannot take back your degree
ikr. While company like Hololive requests 3 play buttons (which I assume the company either pays for the additional ones or at least contributes partially), 1 is to be kept at the HQ, and the other 2 are for FuwaMoco to receive individually. i dunno why they don't at least entertain their Livers by giving them their play buttons as their achievements. at least it makes them happy for it.
The only reason why he's angry is because his scam has been exposed for the entire world to see so he knows he's fucked left right and center. He assumes that just because he/his company are Japanese that everyone will be happy with it, laughably he's dealing with his own version of 1945 Hiroshima/Nagasaki but just to his bank accounts.
@tsczhaby Lawsuits can say otherwise. Have other former talents come forward that have dealt with such evilness, it could then potentially become class-action.
@@abysspegasusgamingnah at most the en branch gonna die, but the jp side still gonna make bank. It's sad to say, but jp fans is so used for being a corpo slave that they are fine with stuff like this. Like the amount of jp people that call Selen "weak" or even blaming Selen is enormous, their main argument? "No matter who you working for, you shouldn't defame company like this,, you are shameless" etc. And its not because they don't get the full context, nor they can't speak English, for them niji as a corpo is the right here, which is disgusting. In fact all the PR disaster that niji made (from contradictive statement, bad termination notice, and all their tweet) are there to pleased their japanese audience and investor. Even the "apologize" video is enough to make jp fans hate selen
@@abdulzaelani9954 I absolutely know how it's like to deal with Japanese corpos in the industrial sector, worked for a Japanese company here in the States and they have no mercy let alone care about their employees, even if product was getting put out as scheduled. it amazed me on how little value they had for even their American workers, even when I had family that passed away while I was employed by them. Maybe one day things will change across the board for them to where the people will feel valued and not have to resort to leaving the country in search for a better life.
When i heard The 'Message from Nijisanji' clip video, it genuinely sounded like Vox was trembling and sweating. After losing pretty much all of their MVP livers.. how much more can they do before they call it quits.
total shot (until today) : i think it's 6 shot. - 1st shot from sudden announcement - 2nd shot from bad written announcement on twitter last time + 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th from "3 liver announcement + official announcement (well put statement but bad placement)" at this point they already bleed so much, eventhough they "win" they'll still lose in the "western eyes" reputation.
Yes in fact it's possible scarlet is either graduating or getting terminated. She left a pretty cryptic message in her private account about seeing us soon again
Which is understandable since 50/50 split is in a rather lower side when it comes to profit sharing between a talent and their agency/company. But 2% was insane. I mean, I've seen a 80/20 with 80 belongs to company and it was crazy, but 2% is insane
@@thejamesonthestreet Do remember that this split is on top of the salary that they receive. Best way to support any Hololive talent is buying merch. (Which is also the worst way to support any Nijisanji talent)
@@kayschut9327i remember María saying the Best way to support them is buying Voice packs and donations through Streamlabs but it makes you wonder if the merch split is that Bad how Bad are the others
Meanwhile on the other end you have Hololive where there CEO advocates for his talents against the investors (investors complaining about payment splits), wears their merch for promotional material, and just recently made a video congradulating one of the talents (Pekora) for being #1 female streamer for 2023.
There needs to be an entire overhaul on how NDA’s work. In no way in hell should a company be able to abuse people and get away with it because a little peice of paper. If you’re getting abused, that NDA should be completely void and they should NOT be allowed to be sued at all. They shouldn’t even be allowed to attempt to sue anyone.
Anyone can sue anyone for any reason, the thing is you have to prove it in court the terms are not fair etc... US also has pretty crap legal protections for workers. In Aus where I am you can complain to a government agency which can sue the company on behalf of you if there are legitimate workplace issues (ie bullying, witholding wages etc...) which is much better and it doesnt give two fucks about nda's etc...
BEING IN A CHARLIE VIDEO WAS THE LAST THING I WAS EXPECTING LOL THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING ME AND I'M SO GLAD YOU ENJOYED MY BREAKDOWN!!
It was a really good break down by the way. Nice job!
The unhinged lunatic himself. Good job on the breakdown bro
CONGRATS MAN
Two universes colliding right here
My favourite drama TH-camr is finally gaining the recognition he deserved.
Once you're on Charlie's channel, the damage is no longer "negligible"
Still love that Riku apologized to the INVESTORS for saying Selen's termination was negligible but not to the almost 1 million fans who supported her (myself included) or anyone else in her corner. Very smart move indeed
True that
The yacht is sinking...
@@HomekittyL2 Or to Selen herself.
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
The fact that the ceo apologized first to the INVESTORS within under 10 seconds tells you everything.
Hell, in the US it is law that a corporation's duties are to the shareholders not the employees nor the customers. Thank you Henry Ford
If I was an investor for niji (one that was big enough to even mention) I would be suing niji for the amount of lies they dropped for me as an investor...
@@tribopower No you wouldn't. You would have known and wouldn't care because money.
@@seanmckelvey6618 this, unfortunately, tends to be the truth when it comes to shareholders.
Thats expected, his responsibility is primarily to the investors first, especially in Japan...but serious, what was with the black colour scheme? bad look given the rumors
CyYu even mentioned how Niji wanted him to completely drop his VA career if he wanted to join. The company wants nothing but full control so that they can drop them with no chance of them thriving after.
“No chance of them thriving after”
**The company continues to harass Doki by releasing a statement about her private legal document during her stream**
Can't be any further from the truth.
Honestly they just completely destroyed that tactic with this PR nightmare. It was so bad that several VTubers who graduated or were going to graduate suddenly UNGRADUATED, meaning they backpedaled from the NIJISANJI debut or audition process after realizing what's up.
JESUS NO (bro we dont need hoyoverse mixed into this bs)
They want full dependence so they can treat you like shit but you’ll stay anyway.
The fucking audacity bro
It's insane. Everything and anything Nijisanji could offer him is already dwarfed by what he gets out of voicing Shallot alone.
"It's like this company is run by a Voltorb that is obsessed with using the move Self Destruct."
I fucking love you Charlie LMAO
So a full odds Shiny.
man's a lyrical mastermind
he'd probably thought of that joke on the spot lmao
ive searched this comment xD
BWAHAHA
Heres some missed parts:
Mysta Rias was in 400,000 USD (might be pounds/another currency) in debt after leaving Nijisanji.
Dokibird stated she spent 200k in 2023, mostly paying off people Nijisanji refused to, and made exactly ZERO profit for the entire year.
Himemori Luna, the Hololive Japan talent, was formerly a Nijisanji talent, and was driven to tears many times on live stream under Nijisanji.
Pomu Rainpuff saw an opportunity to be sponsored by Metal Gear, her favorite game series and working with them was practically her goal in life. Even though it would have been a huge profit for Nijisanji, they shut her down on it, and then removed the part of her graduation stream where she alluded to it.
Mirei Gundou, one of Nijisanji JP's best performing vtubers, was immediately terminated after making a dumb joke about baseball (something about purposefully trying to hit the pitcher).
One of the reason Zaion was terminated was for "claiming to be sponsored by companies they had no sponsorship with". This company is the hypothetical "Deez Nutz" that does not exist.
wait luna used to be part of nijisanji? damn
@@rAbBItH0LE.md_00 yup, the only ex-Niji to be a Hololiver so far
Probably the best decision she's ever made
The Mirei Gundou one was iirc moreso mistake after mistake piled up on top of her (according to JP fans), with the baseball one being the icing on the cake most likely. It was still dumb but internationally only the baseball joke is mentioned
Holy moly!
@@TanniMachineits bs because other shotacon livers like utago get away with the stuff gundou was terminated for
During this shit show, Hololive, probably the biggest vtuber agency out there put out their yearly financial support and it showed that each of their talents got a salary of like 30K a month, completely independent of their merch sales, superchats, and other income. When the shareholders asked the CEO, Motoaki "Yagoo" Tanigo, to be more like Anycolor to make more money, he responded, "We pay our talent what we believe they are worth, and will not be lowering their pay."
Nijisanji actually makes a lot more than Hololive but that's thanks to having nearly double the amount of liverstreamers. Of course they also don't pay their streamers as well as Hololive and don't invest in staff either,.
@@GarrusN7 I don't mean biggest in terms of money, but in reach. Gura being the most subscribed Vtuber on TH-cam, Calli making songs for both One Piece and MGS, Pekora being the number 1 most watched female streamer in all of 2023, stuff like that.
@@GarrusN7Actually Hololive makes more! They're both public and you can compare the financials. In Q3 of 2023 Hololive reported 7.13 billion yen in revenue, to Nijisanji's 6.54 billion. However Holo only reported 1.04 billion yen in net income, to Niji's 1.7 billion. tl;dr Hololive makes more money, but less profit because they aren't a sweatshop.
@@GarrusN7 They do? Have any source for that? I'm curious.
what will you buy ?
HRD investment
or
A Yacht
I would also like to add to K9Kuro's claims. In one of his earlier livestreams with VShojo, he had stated that he was originally going to debut as indie, but changed his mind. He revealed that he was in trouble his taxes and owed a lot because NijisanjiEN did not give him the correct forms/documents/numbers and refused to help him at all with his financial situation. Reaching out to many of his vtuber friends asking for help, Ironmouse said "i got you" and asked her contacts, and got him in contact with Gunrun (VSJ CEO) and was able to help resolve the issues. Seeing how someone he really didn't know, helped him out way more than what his then previous company did, made it an easy decision to join. It's heartbreaking to hear that both Kuro and Matara were genuinely flabbergasted that management as VSJ were, in paraphrasing Matara's words, going out of their way to make sure everything was taken care of and if they needed any help at all finding artists, VT riggers, BGM artists, etc., and if they needed extra funding for it.
VShojo has zero reason to go out of their way to help someone who isn't part of them, but they did and I have more respect to them.
That alone makes Nijisanjo even worse and I love it.
I knew that Mysta (now known as Kuro) got into tax debt because he bought a house as his work studio and was expecting a tax deduction due to being related to his work, and that it seemed like a problem that he got into himself.
But my gut feeling tells me that Nijisanji refused to provide the tax deduction which resulted in his debt.
I did not know about the fact that they didn't give him the correct documents, but that still sounds like a way of them f**king him over to avoid giving tax deductions.
cried reading this
Also to add to the management part, while I don't “think” VShojo “directly” helps with funding it, they most likely “indirectly” help by finding sponsors or marketing extra products to help fund their talent’s projects so the talents wouldn't have to pay out of their pocket. Which is in a way still helping to fund it.
I just couldn't even imagine how they were able to fund their projects when they were in Nijisanji, especially when I don't believe the talents are allowed to personally have sponsors or to market stuff on their own without being anonymous about it.
damn, I kinda dislikes ironmouse and used to think vshojo was a shithole. I guess they aren't that bad
@@Corethetic
From what I know, it was only bad when they first came out, especially due to the three talents/streamer; Silver, Vei, and Nyanners, who caused some of the main dramas.
After they left (technically graduate, but VShojo doesn't use that term), the agency started to improve over time as it recruited several fairly-known vtubers who graduated from other companies.
Btw, what's wrong with Ironmouse?
I mainly know her due to her having a connection with CDawg, but I don't remember her causing or being a part of any major drama like Silver, Vei, and Nyanners.
Another crazy thing that wasn't in that post is another Niji talent left in December and K9 Kuro of VShojo, aka Mysta Rias, joined VShojo because when he worked for Nijisanji he was recommended an accountant/financial consultant. This accountant/financial consultant recommended by Nijisanji had messed up so bad it left him $350,000 in tax debt. He didn't know what to do because of how bad the debt was and he asked everyone he knew for help. That's when VShojo's Ironmouse and VShojo's CEO Gunrun helped him out. Gunrun sorted out the paper work for him and managed to reduce a significant portion of the tax debt. He noted that him and Ironmouse weren't that close. They hardly spoke but he was desperate and messaged everyone he knew. Ironmouse and Gunrun said they had his back and they really did. Kuro was so grateful he joined VShojo and is working off the tax debt.
Ironmouse and the rest of VShojo are practically saints in the VTubing community, it's insane the amount of goodwill they have fostered.
Mousey is a real one for this
yeah, mysta was considered like the second highest paying male vtuber in the en branch and I was so surprised to hear he was in a bad financial situation cus I thought the company helped them out on it but it seems like with everything u have to figure it urself in this company.
I don't get why people hate on vshojo so much they help and care about there talent and they treat them as people.
This, this right here is why Mousey won Content Creator of the Year!
It’s really interesting, Vox’s claim that he read the entire document actually puts Nijisanji in an unwinnable position- they said that they DIDN’T show the whole document to the livers. So either Nijisanji lied about not showing the whole document to them, or Nijisanji gave them an altered document, which is the perfect situation to stuff some lies into the document to pit the livers against Doki and the fans against the livers.
There's multiple contradictions between the Three and the statement Management released later on. To add insult to injury, Vox also said he read the entire document THOROUGHLY. The only one that didn't make it worse for Niji was Ike, mostly because he barely said anything. Vox did most of the yappin (and is getting cooked the absolute hardest)
@@danielschnitzer7044worse is that, all the content from that stream is approved prior by their legal team, so it's not like he slip up or something. Everything he said can and will be use in the court case.
@@danielschnitzer7044to be fair Ike barely saying anything is pretty lore accurate.
@@biazacha He didn't sign up for this, literally
looks like their own legal team is very incompetent... if niji survives this, they really need to invest in better people and not cut cost for yatchs
Sadly this isn't even the first time they mismanaged a branch, as their India, Korea, and Indonesia branches were massive failures in part due to not having any support and almost all of the livers have since left
Not even that
During their hayday, fcking mito had to do a resistance movement due to mismanagement
That's why mito is very concern because this is basically the repeat of what she fought
@@AnimaRandomactually what happened there like how does nijisanji not fall apart it's like a miracle
@@crimsonitacilunarnebula
They listen
Unheard right? But given their most profitable liver basically revolted, they kinda bended.
That's why niji jp has been at peace for the most part
Now its different, niji is a giant corpo. All ibsaw if mito leaves, its over
A little correction. ID branch have behind the scene support. Webcomic, Videos, Events, Fan merch, etc are all managed by ID management.
The reason why ID is one of the vocal group of people hating Kurosanji cuz them using the reason of "Mismanagement"(untrue) and Financial growth is little(basically Kurosanji wanted to focus pure money).
@@Oneiroi0 I noticed the ID branches in most vtuber companies are very tight-knit and their communities have a lot of overlap, I really respect that. Heres to ID talents having the best fans, cheers.
Revealing confidential documents as a lawyer is incredibly unethical and often illegal, especially because it seems to be an intimidation tactic. Not only should the company be sued but their lawyers should lose their law licenses.
This is like that one former CIA agent who leaked documents to WikiLeaks
There's the rumor that Elira got hands on those document, because... she is moonlighting as Niji's manager. The Grand Unifying Rrat had spoken.
Welp charlie is trying do hard to cancel people and now eben a company? Too big of a step to take for an influencer who only yapping and leeching from other peoples content
@@scoper7897 Are you actually defending a company that LEECHES off their own creators?
@@scoper7897 the only leech here is nijisanji
That image of the CEO is so funny to look at. They called their company "Anycolor" and decided to go with the black and white evil company background
Should have ditched the white considering they're a Black Company seemingly
It feels straight out of a cartoon trying to make the evil company have some ironically “cheery” name 😂
My farts are way smellier than of Charlie's
If you combine every color it will be black
IM MUCH MORE SUCSESSFUL THAN NIJISANJI
Charlie absolutely nailed the Nijisanji CEO’s “apology” video was *absolutely* about investors. Nijisanji has bled 160+ million in value from their stock since Selen’s termination.
and they call it "negligible"
The funny thing is even the investors aren't buying it. Both of the statements put out by the company last week were called unnecessary at best.
@@livecarsonreaction they were absolutely unnecessary. The bleeding was slowing down, and they decided to rip it wide open again.
when mika announced her graduation she mentioned that when she decided to leave she found out that the whole year already had people set to graduate that hadn't been announced and she had to wait a looong time for hers since they don't want it all to happen at once which is crazy
"iTs EaSy tO GrAdUaTe" my ass
I wonder if that's why they didn't give Selen that option. "We don't want her anymore, but we don't want to wait for her to graduate either."
I'm pretty sure it was done so their stock price doesn't tank like crazy. Yeah, they cared about their financial more than the talents' welfare.
I kinda figured what with the sort of one after another we've seen. Mika in December, Pomu in January, Kyo in February. It's pretty clear they're trying to spread them out to make it seem natural
Man, this story was way too deep into the weeb realm for me, but thanks anyway Charlie
Something that wasn't mentioned was that this isn't the first time this happened with a niji branch. Nijisanji Korea, Nijisanji India, Nijisanji Shanghai, Nijisanji Taipei. ALL of them crashed and burned due to mismanagement. This time it was just given enough attention.
Yeah it's not all rainbows in the JP branch either as they've had a number of big members exit to go indie because of management, pay, etc.
CHAOS :0???
Nijisanji Indonesia too despite it was one of branches that actually have potential. But they closed it for good and hololive dominating ID replacing Niji and some local agencies taking over what's left
@@ainzer2903 It's crazy how hard HololiveID is crushing it right now. You wouldn't think they'd be such a massive Vtuber market but good lord they're going insane, it also helps that the ID Livers are also fantastic.
Niji CEO memed for being a corrupt, Holo CEO being memed because he is too good and loved
Niji CEO is like Mr. Krabs but 100x worse
It's like Tazumi saw Hololive's success (after some very rocky and strict beginnings), and decided to copy all of the shitty things that Hololive gradually stopped doing, as if that was the secret to their success. They completely swapped places in reputation in less than 3 years, it's almost an achievement to fuck up so hard.
Also after yagoo started to become a meme *mysteriously* for *some reason* nijisanji streamers started to hype up tazumi. None of which felt natural and was very cringe. You can feel the difference between hololive members having friendly banter and poking a little fun at yagoo, and tazumi taking a selfie with him holding a sign saying "I'm selen's idol". Which is an even more insulting image now with the hindsight we have.
@@ReinKayomi at least Mr Krabs has a heart. Niji CEO is legitimately Dan Snyder levels of evil
I saw somebody say that Yagoo was pops and Tazumi was anti-pops. It's a regular show reference but for those who don't know. Pop is the spirt of good, antipops is the spirit of evil. So yeah, it makes sence.
To add to my comment too, don’t forget Yugo’s “graduation”. He wasn’t given a chance to say goodbye unlike all of the other graduations, and his account was suspended so he literally couldn’t even post a real goodbye. Nijisanji said publicly that he broke rules, but they were at least “kind” enough to say they wanted to part peacefully to save his reputation.
Nijisanji is seeing that their ex talents are thriving without Nijisanji’s help and they don’t like that, so they’re tarnishing all of their current talent’s reputation so they can’t leave and succeed.
They scheduled that “message from Nijisanji” stream during Doki’s first gaming stream on purpose. They chose Elira, one of Niji’s top female streamers, and Vox and Ike, their two top male streamers, on purpose. They chose Ike, who joined Nijisanji all because of his admiration for Selen, on purpose.
Not to mention, why would Ren express how truly upset and not okay he was with Selen’s termination, only to ask people to watch last night’s suspicious stream because of how “important” it was? It’s all so disgusting of the company. I just wish all of the talent to escape and succeed on their own.
Hey now, I'm pretty sure Luca is actually a bigger earner than Ike.... but oh wait, he's in his own drama right now too.
@@KingBobbitowhat drama? I dropped off the vtuber wagon a while ago, so I'm not up to date
@@CiCodiCadno there were receipts posted by his mod that merch that had his handwriting on it was actually written by someone else, and that they write all his scripts and ideas for boyfriend experience streams, and did a ton of his Minecraft building for him. Rumored to be his girlfriend, although this is the part that's less certain. He's honestly lucky the Selen situation is happening since it's drawing all the attention.
@@KingBobbito that sucks about the autographs. Tbh I'm not surprised about the scripting: there's only so much inventiveness in one person, so I'd be more surprised if any liver actually 100% constructed all of their own material.
But the autographs suck- unless he has a disability stopping him from writing, that's not acceptable. Unless it was Kurosanji's idea? Like, getting all the merch to and from Australia/getting Luca to them to sign stuff was too expensive and they decided to cut corners?
It’s basically proven that Selen/Doki did NOT make the posts about her hospitalization on the Selen account, those were made by the “management”. She was locked out of her accounts right after she made the post asking people to reupload the music video.
Even weirder
Never thanked myself and others understanding when it comes different apostrophe strokes.
Yeah the insight into the different apostrophes that keyboards use based on location was wild. I wonder if people dig into old messages they can find out more tweets from management that people thought were from the streamers
What really?!
Nijisanji management themselves confirmed that Selen was locked out of her account when these posts were made. So they admitted it.
just to put it in perspective for people who aren't in the know when it comes to vtubers.
hololive also had someone who left their ranks, and was basically part of the longest group they had. because she violated her contract.
and the way they handled it is different:
-they wanted her so stay, and just forget about the incident. she said herself she wanted to leave. as she didn't want to be given special treatment.
-everyone in the company was free to say what they want, but all of them were saddened by the news.
-the CEO himself, wanted to give her another shot. but respected her wishes.
but hey, thats the difference you get when a company cares for their employee rather than treat them like products.
Mel right? Is it true about them wanting her to stay? First time i hear from it but if true, my opinion of holo goes up cuz i was so angry at them for not using something like a suspension.
@@franks777_KFP what I've been hearing is she breached contract by accident (leaked company info or something like that) and that while they *wanted* her to stay, they couldn't let her because then it would render that portion of all of the other contracts null and void in the future bc they made an exception, therefore they came to that agreement.
@@gab4099 ah too bad, that aligned with what i heard. Op made it look like they were willing to go with something less severe but she opted out honorably. Well, that's harsh jp business for ya.
@@franks777_KFP It's also worth noting that Mel's name didn't become taboo, even though it was a termination rather than a graduation, everyone was free to express regrets and condolences, they did a very good job of communicating that there was no maliciousness or bad acting involved, it was just an unfortunate consequence of contract law.
Idk how I feel about that. If they wanted her to stay, then that proves to be that it wasn't a termination worthy situation because the leak was self-contained. It didn't spread like Rushia's leak did. And Mel has always been a very sensitive person, so I feel like Mel wanted to leave was just her feeling emotional in the moment. I don't think Hololive going through with it so quick when emotions were so high was a good idea. It makes me question whether or not Mel's judgement was truly sound or not. I wish she was just suspended, because even though I never watched her content, she always had a big presence in Hololive, and just her status as being one of their senpais to the younger talents was really comforting. I feel really bad for Advent because they never got the chance to meet Mel.
"She included our personal information and locations in a legal document." Yeah, obviously, because thats how legal documents work. The courts/legal system isn't going to refer to them as their personas that the companies own. It's like if someone was sueing Daniel Radcliffe and he got upset that they weren't addressing him as Harry Potter instead.
Imagine having to be a lawyer for Voldemort
@@livecarsonreaction”Your Honour, my client, He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, is suing Mr. Potter for doxxing and slander.”
“All I said was Voldemort killed Cedric Diggory.”
It sounds goofy cuz it's a script that failed and backfired lmao
@@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201 I would watch this series.
Reminder the elira is literally on a work visa with niji. So yeah that’s something to hold over her head.
*”It seems that Nijisanji EN has hit rock bottom… Unfortunately, they brought a shovel.”*
You mean a pickaxe
@@d9zirableBoth. So they can go lower be it dirt or stone.
Unfortunately they had an excavator with them
@@randomperson093 damn straight
@@randomperson093you mean fortunately they had a excavator
The thing about Selen's MV, she already got permission from LilyPichu and the producer of the song. They took it down because she didnt get permission to feature 2 vtubers, Nina and Mysta.
2 Nijisanji talents that have left the company. She didnt use their voice, just showing Mysta and Nina
Nijisanji took down the video because Nijisanji didn't get permission..... FROM NIJISANJI
What is more fucked is this rule was implemented AFTER her MV
Meanwhile, Hololive has just released the last cover with Mel in it, they respect their talents
@@MinhPaprika-pu6ygHeck they are even allowed Rushia in Marine's MV despite the circumstance and drama around her.
I hate niji as much as everyone else, but you can’t be serious in thinking THATS the cause of the video being taken down right? Selen may have gotten direct permission from lilypichu, but that doesn’t mean that she got permission from niji themselves.
We all know these livers have to go through stupid hoops to show specific content and this isn’t the first time she hasn’t gotten permission to do a project.
@@sisterjanelan mv takes ages to be made, her management has been informed of said mv is being made for months. Said management much like previous times ignores her and the mv had to be out for christmas. Said management also has failed to pay creators so she paid out of her personal paypal account, said management has failed to send out NDAs so they never got signed as well. Management being woefully incompetent is what made the situation to what it is now.
A ukelele apology would have unironically been a much better choice than what they pulled
The irony of greed is it ends up costing you money, not making more.
It *might* make money in the short term but in the long term it ends up emptying up the bank account.
Just like gambling. But they call it investment 😂
"The tighter you grasp a handful of sand, the faster it empties" can't recall where that saying originates from but yeah greed is not a trait conducive to greater wealth, only a worsening reputation.
Penny Wise, Pound Foolish
@@MultiKommandantdamn that sounds so powerful as a message
Don't forget. Selen swept the Gamer of the Year awards at the 1st Vtuber Awards, hosted by Filian. Apparently it wasn't just her hardwork but also her greater financial sacrifice, where she promoted and thanked Nijisanji in her acceptance speeches for the opportunity and how she "Wouldn't be where she is if it wasn't for them." How is she damaging their reputation by promoting herself with a music video she had perms and payed for? This situation is crazy. I'm just catching up to the livestream shit show from last night...this is getting more wild? How?
The music video wasn't the issue (well, it sort of was - management didn't want it released for some reason, the current hypothesis is that it featured then-graduated livers who may have said some bad things about the company since they left, I'm not sure) - but Selen herself basically said "management" took down the video, and tried to make it look like it was their fault the mess happened. Which, maybe she's right, but either way it does make them look incompetent, which was a theme with Selen. She would try to host some fun event with her own money, allude to the fact that Niji wouldn't pay for it or were trying to trip her up with nonsense red tape, and management would smack her somehow by banning her from hosting tournaments, or pulling down her videos, or whatever it is.
The mere act of constantly getting into fights with management like that is understandably damaging to their reputation, although not nearly to the degree as the shitstorm they've created now.
Japanese power tripping is scary.
@@Claudekr And the way Nijisanji reacted to her "making them look bad" made them look worse, even evil because the way they used their VTubers as meatshields to take the hit after the backlash to them kicking her after her attempt on her life. Funny how that works. That whole honor thing is really biting them in the butt, huh?
Just a quick note, it's 'paid' instead of 'payed.' 'Paid' is the correct past tense and past participle of 'pay.' While "payed" does exist as a word, its usage is specific to nautical terminology, referring to the sealing of the seams of a ship's planking with pitch or tar. In general language and finance contexts, "paid" is the correct term.
@@Diamond1234 Some of what they said was scripted and might make it seem like the only reason they were there was to protect the company, but Vox in particular seemed to be airing personal grievances that it would seem very odd for Niji management to have written. I'm not convinced they were thrown out as meatshields so much as Niji wanted to make a retaliatory statement and they offered to be the faces of it. Remember there is no reason this could not have been on the Niji English channel, it was on Elira's.
The plaque thing really throws me. YOU CAN BUY MULTIPLE PLAQUES!! Not only does Niji apparently not want to waste money on an extra plaque they won't even let the liver buy it if they want to. This is what hololive does they buy 2, one for the office and one to send to the talent. It's just pettiness, they don't think the liver deserves the plaque.
They probably got 4 for FuwaMoco as well, I bet they got 2 for the office.
Afaik first one is free, every additional copy costs a hundred bucks... a completely incidental cost. I think Riku just likes rolling on them while laughing at the talents.
Liver Plaque is not something anyone should ever want, so they did them a favor in my opinion.
@@tkfsung the waterjet channel or something cut theirs in half recently and they said it's like 700$ to get a new one shipped to you, even though through the company that makes them it's significantly less
@@ThatWhichObservesthat's gold plaque. Silver is cheaper
I can't wait for youtube to start recognizing "unalive" so people will have to start saying, like, "hamburger time" to avoid getting demonitized.
Hamburger time has to stick 😂😂
They shouldn't even be demonetized for saying stuff like "suicide". It's bullshit
You sir get a gold star for that reference.
Charlie is in DEEP... Hearing him say names like Nina, Selen, Mysta, and Pomu is so surreal...
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
What a time to be alive, I cannot believe all my interests are merging together
mans does his research. hats off
@@Beanzops superb 👍
@@Beanzops i dont think thats healthy
"The impact this will have on the company will be negligible."
*That one didn't age quite so well...*
Ummmm tekshnically the termination didn't have that much of a financial impact by itself, it's the shitstorm surrounding it🤓
And it aged faster than expected.
Its like a record company loosing one artist, if they have multiple artists then indeed financially it would be bareable , but they made it financially damageing by going after her instead of just let It Go, she had allready said she was satisfied and ready to move on so they could have just let things be
@@thibaud1330 That still is not something you ever let out in a public statement. Ever. That's saying the quiet part out loud.
What is negligible? I think my English is sucking so my bad
A company stealing, abusing, and literally causing a person to attempt suicide. That’s disgusting.
par for the course tbh. MANY people feel entitled to exploit young folks for all they're worth - time, money, sexual gratification, dependence - all for the crime of... being too innocent & trusting to call adults on their BS.
Par for the course from a big Japanese company tbh.
Well your phone was probably made in a factory where some of the employees have committed suicide from the shithouse conditions in some 3rd world country.
Capitalism!
the social culture of the leads of that company. you would think it was an american public school
My personal gripe with the CEO "apology" is that he didn't even apologize to selen herself for releasing those documents when he clearly knows that was a mistake
One detail I find absolutely messed up that was brought up in the video you referred was that when the company handed out their termination notice to Selen publicly they self reported on something that’s just dark to think about;
They took control of her twitter account while she was recovering from her suicide attempt. Those tweets of her basically saying ‘I’m ok guys, see you all soon, teehee’ were NOT Selen. It was the bosses trying to save face from the fact of one of their own employees being pushed to that point because of said employee working for them.
That’s just messed up.
They way Nijisanji as a whole (management and other livers) have downplayed Selen's suicide attempt is sickening.
dragoons found that before (iirc it was before the termination) they admitted taking control of her account just by noticing the " ' " were different in those tweets. But in corpo vtuber scene it's not too dark since they own everything and can do anything they want. it's just not so ethically correct
@@doctoraquisio7957 that part about the apostrophe was confirmed to not be due to skinwalking (which they have done and should not be ignored) but due to the difference in the apostrophe used by Windows and an iPhone. The tweets with the "incorrect" apostrophe were from her phone right after she got out of the hospital, likely because she didn't have access to her computer at the time for whatever reason and wanted to address her fans ASAP since she knew everyone knew what happened.
Unless there's more information beyond that point, I'm pretty sure that's the last conclusion speculators have come up with on the matter.
@@YukiMurakumoThe maujin video Charlie references at the start confirms it by overlapping the date of the tweets and when niji’s statement says she was stealth suspended and lost social media access
@@YukiMurakumo I actually didn't know/heard about that but the time line supports the theory tbh (my first comment was from my pc and this one was from phone)
I'd argue this all started WAY before Selen's music video. I'd say the catalyst was when we were first made aware of their practices via a leak that happened a year back when we found out they did shadow suspensions of their talents under the guise of them "taking vacations" or "breaks" as well as how bad and utterly incompetent their management truly was.
Sayu/zaion was the spark, the thing is the fire only going wild now since everything just allign with well... Everything
Definitely, this is fact, not opinion. The MV was just the tipping point, the last straw. Ask anyone who've been following the situation for much longer than when it blew up cuz of the MV and the events that followed. That explanation video is incomplete.
Way earlier than that. It starts from the IN ID KR branch dissolved and multiple graduates from the branch. Getting worst when the 3D live is cancelled and Niji pumping the debut of vtubers.
it did, did u actually watch the video lmao
It goes even further beyond. i personally took that leaked discord group dm bashing holo council as a massive red flag. Before that point, my opinion of them was pretty neutral.
22:15 Funfact Elira who had that video posted on her channel (most likely forcefully) is that she is on a work visa in Japan so she could literally be getting blackmailed with deportation and her way of living
Wait a second you're right
that's fucked up, i would not put it past Nijisanji
"funfact" yeah, sounds like fun lmao
That's not how work Visa's work in Japan, they are managed by the government and upon termination or resignation from a company you are granted 3 months to find a new job
@@snowpegasi 3 month grace period with no pay for 2 of those (by us law at least) is still a no bueno…
CEO looks like a punk you beat up in the tutorial fight in a yakuza game
Important Key Notes: Riku Tazumi (CEO & Founder) owns 45% of Anycolor shares and is valued at probably 1.5 billion dollars. He is roughly 27 years old now. While not always important, it is important in how hard he is squeezing water from the stone to accumulate his wealth so quickly. He bragged about his 198million dollar Superyacht during a period where the company was seeing oversaturation for talent/lower incomes. This 1-2% merch info comes out. And that was all sort of during COVID that he flexed. So, yeah. Dude is out of touch and still has a lot of failures someone in their 20s would have that has grown out of touch at such a pivotal age.
Oh, so the yacht is real.
Remember martin shkreli? Tazumi seems like he's the same sort of person
@@Turigamot Martin Shkreli was based af. The niji CEO seems more like a pelosi/clinton type.
@@Archedgar whatever you say dude
@@Archedgar How is gouging medicine prices based, exactly?
Also note that Matara Kan (Nina Kosaka) and K9 Kuro (Mysta Rias) were both extremely relieved to find themselves in Vshojo. Matara herself commented that it was incredibly uplifting to not have to compete for company resources alongside other talents, and actually have a management team that backs her up and supports her projects, implying that she did not have much of either while she worked for Niji.
This paints a very bleak picture for how Niji operates.
I'm pretty sure Matara even said that she nearly cried because her new management was actually treating her like a person ;(
@@Steveatetheicecream bros been spamming this comment everywhere, chill out
@@stupidheadwisp The main reason the company is in this condition is because of the pants they made. They made pants for males which hid their piggy and they made a pants for women which has a built in piggy. They got huge backlash.
@@SkibidiLeakz what?...
@@SkibidiLeakzbro wtf are u saying lol
We in the Vtuber community, has known about Niji's bad reputation for a long time, but people still wanted to support the talents themselves, which is why Niji has survived so long, it was a powder keg waiting to explode, and Seleln's termination was the spark
I'm sad that it sparked now, and not in 2021 when all the Non-EN and JP branches got Effed hard. And the only OG ID member worth watching left last year as well. Mika Melatika, she was last heard speaking in one of Vshojo's K9kuro's streams as "friend".
It's the trash of trash companies.
These agencies literally rely on that ‘we’re helping the person/ talent ’ to completely exploit talent to maximum degree while minimizing risk. They own everything and thus your 99% helping the company vs 1% to the person… no company would take on such risk and behave this way unless they could use innocent waifu’s ( the nature of the fans para social relationship is important, it’s like the childhood love interest vs regular person) as a shield!
unfortunatly they still have a lot of stans willing to support them simply because of their oshis choosing to stand with nijikuro.
The stans supporting their oshi to be abused by the shitty corpo aren't helping anybody but the corpo itself.
This mentality needs to stop. If a company is garbage, stop using them. The employees will find other jobs in other places. Nobody would keep using Walmart because they "want to support the employees", ditch this parasocial garbage when it comes to entertainers. I get the impulse but you have to make your own decisions on whether the company is worth supporting.
On the other side of things, if the people working for them aren't happy with their conditions they should leave. I'm so sick of this culture of complete non-accountability we have nowadays where we're all just supposed to feel sorry for everyone all of the time because life is hard. Life is hard for everyone. You have to man up and make the hard choices you know are right, not the easier ones that you know are wrong.
Ninji: corrupt
Hololive: lovable
Phase connect: "JUST GIVE ME MY OWN MARINE, but nonetheless i love all my little goblin trolls"
This is no longer drama. It's a full blown SCANDAL
Nijigate
Clown fiesta, if you will
Quite possibly a legal battle too.
the suspicion started wayy before zaion’s termination, yugo didn’t even have a proper graduation and was the first to “go away”, and the AR live concert being cancelled as well. so much lost opportunities for the livers basically 😭😭 dunno why they wanna stay there soo bad 23:15
I'm guessing there's a clause in their contracts when they signed on essentially forbidding them to just.... quit. I read from another comment there's a wait list to getting graduation because Nijisanji doesn't want a mass of graduations all at once. Many of them might just be treading water until they have an opportunity to jump shit and until then are essentially being held hostage.
@@c-puff Another thing: 'Selen' mentioned how toxic the working enviroment at nijisanji is, so I wouldn't be surprised if they also directly threaten their talents (the vtubers) to the point where they're too scared to leave. Also Charlie mentioning that the contracts with nijisanji essentially make your entire life 'belong to the company', that also makes it difficult for someone to leave the because they will have trouble staying afloat after they do so, so they'd rather stay and have trouble than leave and lose their entire livelihood or more.
It's been pretty much shown through statements that Sayu, Matara Kan and Kuro have made that nijisanji essentially gaslights their talent into believing they aren't worth anything without nijisanji. That's probably the only reason more haven't left yet. Matara and Kuro have only really implied it where Sayu has a clip of her saying it more outright. Hopefully Doki proves to more in Nijisanji that want to get out that the fans value them more than their company does and they won't just lose all of that when they leave.
@@c-puff I didn’t know you watched Charlie’s stuff, also luv ur videos!!! ❤
yugo :(
I just want to add, Selen's access to her socials was removed on the 26th of December. The statements made after that date were not Selen's words, those words were the company's under the guise of Selen posting it herself.
The big 3 is now Hololive, Vshojo, and Phase Connect.
But back then, it was Holo and Niji. THE MOMENT I SAW YAGOO BEHAVE, i knew he was the consumer of his own product, just like Gaben.
I knew Hololive was the choice lol
Yagoo congratulating pekora on her achievements and Tazumi exploiting her talents is the Barbenheimer of 2024
you are a poet
Pekora is the reason for Nijisanji's fall. She wants us all to forget that she bought a monkey. This is all part of her plan.
@@fungalsnoot1655 The F'in Monkey could run Niji's PR better than whoever is doing it now.
On one side, you have a guy flexing his new yacht, while the other side, built a multimillion dollar studio to accomodate their talents. That alone should tell you what their priorities are
@@faisfaizal5194 Tazumi is flexing his yacht
Yagoo is flexing their state of the art 3d scanner, case in point, the fried chicken in that medley music video
The best part of this all
"After a rigorous legal check, ANYCOLOR Inc. hereby declares that it has not made any confidentiality violations while checking the validity of claims made by Selen and her lawyer with its affiliated Livers."
They can't be in legal trouble, they *hereby declared it.*
Meanwhile, every lawyer in Canada is all "damn, I wish I was Doki's lawyer..." because goddamn the settlement will be glorious - when you employ a Canadian resident, you're subject to Canadian labour laws, and they are extremely strict, and equal to everyone.
As a bonus, Niji can escalate all they want, but they'll never reach a point where it becomes too expensive for Selen to continue because _that's not how it works in Canadian legal affairs._ The lawyer works on contingency - they only get paid when the plaintiff gets paid (and only 40% of the total settlement maximum, a percentage that's decided before proceeding to trial).
In short, they can hereby declare whatever the fuck they want, but they're still hilariously guilty, and they _will_ pay.
“We investigated ourselves, and found us to be not guilty”
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102Canadian Court is gonna be a real pain in the ass for them lmao.
The council has invoked a special comitee formed of its members so as to ascertain whether it was guilty or not. The comitee has decided the council was not guilty of any infractions
@@Outlander19 yeah but the special committee is still just them lol
Kurosanji is on fire while Hololive is all sunshine and rainbow right now. It is even funnier when you see that on Hololive side, Hololive has just terminated one of their oldest talents, and it was taken by fans as by far, the most peaceful and good natured termination ever. While on Niji side, every termination and graduations in just the past 2 months has been the most chaotic and slanderous in all of Vtubing history, just behind the likes of WACTOR.
another point about the recent hololive termination was that they really didn't want to do it, but knew they had to since breaking nda is a very huge no-no, especially in japan. they even let the vtuber in question, yozora mel, make a statement about it on twitter before she said goodbye to everyone. it was 1000× more well-recieved than whatever nijisanji did with the terminations of both zaion/sayu & selen/doki
@@ZXUmiif Mel breaking NDA is already a big nono, niji revealing private legal documents is definitely a bad look... Makes me feel like gaijins of EN are treated as second class citizens with little rights
@@OwinBlazer If you are a non japanese person working for a japanese company like this you are in for a time. 100% treated worse and not just Niji is doing so.
Yep. Guaranteed by this time next year NijiSanji EN (at the least) will be completely gone. Probably even sooner given the scope of this situation.
Adding to that, Mel also said on her own personal account that she fucked up.
In the end it's just really unfortunate.
Nijisanji: "You don't have value"
The People: "Stop talking to yourself"
I'm kinda not surprised they didn't mention the first EN Vtuber that left - Yugo. The short version to that is they left because they wanted to focus on singing more than video games. And management said no. Yugo has an AMAZING singing voice, like actually amazing. It's why CyYu declined to join Niji - because they wouldn't let the professional voice actor to voice act if he did.
Did not know that CyYu declined Niji. Thank God he did, though.
Yugo was also terminated because he let it slip that it was harder to appeal to female viewers like his coworkers did because he was transgender and that it was very hard for him in that regard and Nijisanji didn't like the "immersion break". So they punished him for that too I think.
Oh. I saw that mentioning somewhere on Twitter the other Day. Could not make much out of it because i was and still am not that invested in everything. But now what he said back then makes Sense to me in Retro Perspective.
@@silxntkxng They*
Thats why the hololive community adores and respect yagoo he cares and appreciates and respects his talents whenever i hear the stories from the early days with sora and A chan to sakura miko and suesei how he managed to convince them to stay on when they wanted to quit and he helped and encouraged them not to give up man is a truly the "best girl" of hololive.
So much I want to say here, but I’m at work…
Hololive wasn’t even his idea, he was just from a company that sells hardwarefor vtubing stuff.
But A-chan and Sora approached him, he liked the idea and the 3 of them made it happen.
Sure, he probably saw money in this, but it was a gamble.
The way he went about it is what I like.
There are several instances where talents have said he “saved” them, usually from a bad financial situation.
Subaru is probably the most famous one, where her house had burned down, she needed money, but had no prior experience in streaming or anything. But Yagoo hired her anyway because he liked her attitude I think. Those were the early days though, now you need experience.
He’s also the buttmonkey for the talents to “bully” and make fun of. His image was the punching bag for Coco, some idols made ridiculous looking statues of Yagoo in Minecraft, even his nickname of Yagoo was created by Subaru because she misread his name, and it stuck.
I really can’t imagine a Japanese CEO letting an employee make fun of him, in public or private, but he does. I know it’s very good PR, but still…
The key to Hololive's continued success is maintaining the successful business formula and not getting complacent just because the Nijisanji yacht is sinking.
@@Mousse9 Well there's a distinct difference between what is clearly understood as friendly banter and genuinely mean-spirited mockery. No CEO would tolerate the latter, never mind just a Japanese one. Yagoo is pretty easy-going as far as Japanese businessmen go but he'd obviously still come down hard on one of his employees being genuinely malicious about him.
@@sulphuric_glue4468 True, you’re right about that.
Whats also likeable about yagoo is he actually watches his talents' livestreams and understands the culture behind the memes and the fans deeply. A passionate businessman almost always wins everybody than a soulless one. I wonder how many times Riku has seen more than 15 mins EACH of his livers' stream LOL.
I should mention that the Reddit summary missed out on a key event that actually signaled itself as an omen of things to come, and it was the termination of a liver named Yugo Asuma (now goes by the indie handle "Unnämed") many months before Zaion's termination. Part of the reason most people overlook it is due to how obscure the series of exchanges were - very much unlike how they handled the ones that followed. I feel it's very important to mention this because Yugo's termination gave the company the confidence and a sense of security that they can get away with shit like this. That bit is evident with how much bolder and more obnoxious they kept getting with each consecutive termination statement going forward.
Im so sad nobodys mentioning him, youre literally the 1st comment out of a Dozenten videos ive watched on this matter
@@Privatewelt its cus honestly after looking at all terminations he did not deserve it cus he really didn't do anything too hardcore. Its again nijisanjis weird ass rules that they enforce at times and not in others. When he go terminated I was so frustrated and he wasn't even my oshi. I was so shocked by it, the way they left us hanging and from that point I stopped checking nijisanji out and thank god I did cus the shitstorm that happened and is happening ---OMG.
@@ellenation2294 its sad man. I dont want him forgotten. May he be remembered along with the rest of ex-kurosanji's
what reason did they give for yugo's termination
It was framed as a graduation and the only major issue I remember hearing about was a drunk stream where fans were misidentifying him which caused a liver to come into vc and calm him down this isn't the first time it has happened since even around debut it was going on but things got intense if I remember@@mikoposter
It's really disheartening to hear about the unfair treatment of talent by such a massive organization. The importance of transparency, respect, and fairness can never be overemphasized. Hopefully, this highlights the need for changes within the industry.
Whatever you say bot we never cared
The biggest thing many people haven't clued in on is when the CEO clarified their mismangement in his announcement.
"Regarding TH-cam content, we did not have official programmes available until fall last year."
They have been operating the EN branch since May 2021!
That is close to 3 YEARS of no "official" programs and for their talents which means there is almost 0 cooperation between talents and explains EXACTLY why their PR handling of this is a nightmare.
Everything they are doing is VERY "Japanese" in nature for PR responses. And to clarify what I mean by this is simply that the Japanese believe in FULL trust and devotion to a company and there is NEVER any BAD publicity directed at a company because of VERY strict defamation laws in Japan. Those laws can effectively cause you to be sued by something as little as posting a 1 star review of a company if they can simply prove malice. With that context, everything they keep publishing that digs them a deeper hole is backed under the belief that the "Company can do no wrong" which is NOT the case especially one in such a public setting.
Japan's corporate culture is very expliotative. It's one of the few bad things that foreigners tend to overlook when they think of Japan. There is also the whole idol business.
I'm a weeb but japanese work culture is infamously fucking up and horrible. Thank god she's outside of Japan.
@@cocoapixels true weebs know JP is a hellhole when it comes to society expectations, work culture and laws
I mean they had no intention to add any "programs" into place. Thats just somthing they are doing to try an apeas investors.
The more I learn about japan the more I'm confused as to why westerners idolize Japan. That country is as ass backwards as fucking russia.
Nobody’s even mentioning the sh*t that’s been happening on the JP side. They’ve got a mass exodus of talents going too, and it’s been that way for months now. This isn’t an EN exclusive issue.
And Indonesia too. Not to mention the India and Korean branches being completely shut down.
@@TK0921Bro...
It's been months.
It basically a floating ship at this point, many of their talents dipped and saw no points in continuing.
Many talents that aware of issue saw the writing on the wall and dipped.
@@TK0921 They're all in the JP side now
They're all over the world dude. It also happens to people who want to become Idols like in Korea and Japan.
I only heard bad things about Nijisanji. Their repeatable mistakes led to the downfall...
You are not 1 sub away from 1.05 mil subs, bot.
What downfall? I just looked up their financials. They're financially strong. 28% profit margin. Debt to Equity Ratio of only 1.2%. EBITDA of 11.73b Yen. The stock isn't even trading below their 52 week low. Anycolor (owner of Nijinsanji) is going to be alright.
In fact, market cap > enterprise value. Which means traders are paying premium for their stock.
@@claudius_drusus_ But we don't know how bad this is going to get. Most people agree that the Japanese branch will be fine, but the english side is still in turmoil, and their bad reputation is spreading. What happens if more high-profile members leave, or more information about harassment comes out? Too early to see the full scope of damage.
@@claudius_drusus_ Yeah Niji probably isn't going anywhere. They have torched their EN reputation though and that's going to mean something for fan support going forward as well as the quality of applicant that is going to be willing to join them in the future.
Same with Vshojo
Let's also not forget about what happened to Nijisanji KR and ID. They were the former Korean and Indonesian branches of the company that were eventually dissolved into the JP branch sometime around the end of 2022. After the merge, many of the livers who used to belong to those branches started graduating left and right, moving on to other things. Now that all of this has come out, it's probably not a stretch to think something similar was going on behind the scenes with them. I genuinely think the only branch Nijisanji really cares about is their main JP team.
I was a big fan of Nijisanji EN back in 2022 but fell off keeping up with the talents at the start of 2023 because I had less free time. Recently, it feels like I'm only coming back to watch the graduations of my favorite livers - biggest was Pomu. Can't believe they've had to deal with this crap the whole time from their own company.
There was also the India branch and ones in Shanghai, Taipei.
Niji id sound like niji solo😢😢
I was a huge fan of Niji ID. They were like a close-knit family, all of them (including ID management) are based and are eager for growth. Frustratingly of course, Anycolor just drop them into the mud.
You know what's really sad? Those ID livers who already left are STILL meeting up together even now. They have their own youtube channels and even meet up for some games like DnD where the usual ID chaos ensues. Truly shows you that they are genuine friends who enjoy each other's company. It's really a shame that they couldn't just continue to grow doing all of that as a vtuber in Niji ID.
@@HelmirI know about India but Shanghai and Taipei? I just know about it
@@ainzer2903 Basically a vtuber group ran by Capsule Inc. where Nijisanji gave them their branding and technical support. They hemorrhaged pretty fast and Niji ended up pulling its branding so they got relabeled as VEgo as Shanghai failed and got merged into what was left of Taipei. It was almost entirely dead by the start of 2020 though and fully dissolved soon after.
One thing that the loremaster missed regarding Pomu was before she left one of her membership VODs (maybe all of them? I'm not sure) was made public. And in one of them she mentioned how she in her own words "missed out on a once in a lifetime opportunity because it was denied to her." Obviously denied by management and no negotiations or anything were allowed even though she obviously wanted to do it.
Just read in another comment referring to what I imagine is what you are taking about here, and it was a collab with Konami, which would be huge for anyone and heartbreaking if taken away, but even worse that it was passed off to another member? That's downright sinister.
@@JJtoob She didn't mention exactly what the opportunity was for obvious reasons. But there was a lot of speculation it was related to MGS or Konami since she is a HUGE MGS fan and there was an announcement related to MGS around the time.
Not only that, once her long time members began to draw people attention to that VOD because they remembered the conversation and could freely talk about it since it was now public, management then re-privated that one singular members stream. Pomu made all of her members content public as she left, but when people began to look a little too close at a probable reason for her wanting to leave, management swept it under the rug and prayed people would forget.
All her members VODs were made public after her graduation as after TH-cam cancels them the content disappears all talents are a lot more personal and less filtered on members content and she basically stated how upset she was with the way things turned out because of management decisions. That VOD got deleted specifically because of that as the other membership VODs are still up
not denied they simply didnt care and did nothing
Nijisanji: "pls no bully"
Also Nijisanji: "lol doxing is fun look guys watch"
That's a Wactor move right there
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
very random and funny@@Beanzops
Kurosanji: “It’s okay when we bully people, but you better be nice to us!”
@@Beanzopsme too
It has such a crunchy texture
On the other side of the "vtuber titan" companies with Hololive/Cover: Cover's CEO actually told a stakeholder that was commenting on how the merch sharing % talents get isn't good for the profit of the company, that the talents are paid what they're worth. Imagine working for a place that isn't trying to bleed its employees dry. Thank you to Yagoo and Cover for not being Niji.
They also send the talents their play buttons btw.
They fucked up a lot of times in 2020. But, they learn from their mistake, owning up to it, fix whatever they could, and move on. No dogpiling or doubling down to make themselves look good.
The Fuwamoco channel is used by a pair of twin. And Holo get a button for each sister.
Hololive also invests a lot more in it's vtubers, they made one of the biggest motion capture studios in Japan, it costed them 20 mil USD and is made specifically for vtubing and even has different studios to record songs which was requested by the talents.
Not to mention they always try to create more opportunities and project's for them, last year they had a whole album with Deco Nina this year they are collaborating with Honeyworks for another album, as well as with Universal music for another music project.
@@thejamesonthestreet Yeah,
Even at their worst, you can at least assume that management mean well
Fucking hell, is not like Hololive is immune to fucking up (Hitomi, Aloe, Rushia, the entire Coco saga, Mel, etc..). But they still try to get better.
@EllaKarhu which shows how messed up the situation at Niji that it makes the very thing that should be done looks like a damn achievement.
Dokibird did another statement today and I felt my heart sink to my stomach reading it to the end
Like to elaborate?
@@nowfearApparently it wasn’t one unalive attempt but TWO
I never thought the name “Zaion Lanza” would be uttered by charlie’s mouth lmao. All this time she’s been ridiculed, they hated her for telling the truth and look where she is now.
saddly there are still people hating/harassing her despites her debunking a lot of stuff and apologizing about the things she did do wrong I really do feel bad for her and she never really got support for a long time after her situation
the girl must be laugh bitterly.
@JG-nc5yf what did she apologize for? I don't know about anything she did that is worth apologizing for
@@SkibidiLeakz i think im out of the loop here. What exactly did that community do to be considered horrid?
Honestly I feel so bad for her. Maybe she has fucked up as well (we don't know), but for the love of god she was right. Everyone that didn't listen and harassed her should feel ashamed of themselves!!
NijiEN loses a member from each gen. Never gets breaks.
HoloEN has lost 1 member due to personal circumstances and is still referenced and loved 2 years later within company. Gets long breaks, Gura didn’t stream for a year and Mumei literally left for a month to be with Doki. Shit is wild in the difference in company culture
They do some breaks but we don’t know if they are real breaks or actually “stealth suspension breaks”.
@@CompuBobBy their track record, it doesn't seem like they do stealth suspensions. There were those that thought they should have when Vesper got suspended, but in hindsight, it's good that they didn't.
Mumei was on a break for a month before the music video was even released
It's crazy it doesn't seem like anyone's talking about Yugo in the situation too! Yugo was the first termination from Nijisanji EN in 2022. They claimed he 'graduated' but gave none of the proper respects to a graduating v tuber, like a final stream or keeping their twitter open. Some of his team members were on vacation, but with the allegations there were shadow suspensions, it's more likely they were suspended. Because they came back the exact day Yugo was fired, and made streams in the following days talking about how they fought for Yugo
@@trashdoge1217where did u see tht??? The statement did not say tht💀
@@trashdoge1217 he did not. The other ex-talents / current talents wouldn't currently still be interacting with them in their current form if this were even remotely true.
I cried for Yugo. He didn’t deserve it at all
I'm so glad they're doing way better in their current life 🥹
Dokibird have collab with U-san (Yugo) yesterday so I think she is good person.
Oh boy…
Oh shit Koe, what's up man?
The "Yacht" thing is just a meme that popped out of 4 chan since thats typically what millionaires do. This is in contrast to Hololive's *2.7 billion yen* studio they have invested for their talents. Also 2% is not the norm. Hololives cut is 50% or more, with the talents having most of the creative liberty on what the merch would be with the company taking care of the production and contacts. They also get a standard salary aside from the superchats, so this gives them stable income that they can actually get by regardless of performance.
An example of that creative liberty is Yukihana Lamy's Sake merch that she herself was heavily involved in the process of making and deciding the taste of the sake. It was described as "A Koji and rice malt-driven sake with rose and melon, pollen and cherry blossom. Savoury and fresh." During the International Wine Challenge 2023 (IWC).
@@infinacitythere is also Laplus hot sauce Lolll
I believe it started when people analyzed why they spent so much on paying taxes and then it was revealed that they were barely investing anything and were just hoarding money so people started to joke around about the money actually being spent on a yacht.
@@infinacityI’m still grumpy that I’m never going to be able to taste her sake.
Remember when marine wanted to sell tissue box cover as merch so whenever people use tissues they will always see her, too bad we didnt get that
And if people think the CEO only has millions ,no my dudes ,this guy is a billionaire and literally scams people with those 98& splits.
soo fken true
ONLY 2%? GODDAMN.
its not even a split, its just a breadcrumb.
i mean mans about to lose billions. his company lost millions of dollars in worth and its still sinking, he is going to have to put money to fix it and get back to where he was.. if he makes it back
Wtf, a vtuber company can make billions?? That is insane
@@Jose-rc3dl wake up old man this isn't the early 2000s with cable tv
16:30 Just a note about merch: this is not the norm in the vtuber space with merch, that Nijisanji pays a low % to it's talent is an outlier. Hololive isn't without it's controversies, but one thing it does right is a huge merch cut to their talents, potentially 50%+ of custom merch goes to the talent. Talents with Phase Connect, idolCorp, and Brave have been happy with their cuts as well. It's only Niji where this awfulness happens.
But tbf Hololive's controversies aren't on the agency, they do their best to protect the majority from bad actors
Yeah but only customs, which is merch funded by talents themself. Talents get higher cuts on merch in special days like birthday/anniversary, they choose the type of merch to be made, hence having nearly total involvement/control of that merch, hololive will provide connection to manufacture and provide platform to sell merch in exchange for a percentage cuts.
However, with merch that is having 0 involvement from talents, such as company event merch, collab merch, talent will probably get the same 2% treatment or around that number. Because in this case the company own the IP, they pay for everything, from design to manufacture to advertising, with out the need of talents, it will be unfair that talent share the same high cuts in this case.
and add to that note, idolCorp publicly revealed how much money their talents get from merch and stuff
also on the hololive point. they get to completely design it themself within possibility
@@sussusamogus4714 Nowadays. Hololive has cleaned up its act, and should be recommended for it, but it used to have the same sort of "respect mah autoritah" managers. But yeah, these days the difference in professionalism between Nijisanji and Hololive is like night and day.
I wouldn't be surprised if things were just as bad on the Japanese side as well. Just that the work culture in Japan is to bow down and be obedient while silently suffering abuse and harassment from companies.
probably so, given the fact that Japanese fans are currently defending the company and saying they did nothing wrong. Their culture is used to corporate harassment and toxicity.
Funny you say that, cause Niji JP's first gen Yuki Chihiro graduated amidst Selen's incident, she stated that she, along with her genmates have been forcing themselves to stay at Niji until she finally gave up and graduated. Then, not even 1 week later, she debuted as an Indie Vtuber, Sakura Aoi, and her genmates tweeted about her debut, not even giving a fck about what Niji thinks anymore.
@@farequinas5615 Yeah, definitely sounds like things are just as bad on the JP side of things. Hopefully as many as possible can manage to get out and have a successful indie redebut.
Not covered by the post but its also speculated that Pomus graduation is influenced by the company denying her oportunities that where offered to her, which was shown after she unprivated her members VODs right before graduating (they got re-privated later)
Only that specific one...raises eyebrows doesn't it?
Idk about that one cause she said she's studying and stuff.
@muriias4515 yes, it's called NDA and not wanting to make trouble.
The same way Petra's breaking down is just a "joke"
@@Reaver3214When did Petra break down?
@@muriias4523 but that letdown + the cancelled AR live are surely big catalysts that pushed her to that decision
Even Charlie is covering this drama it’s so fucking over for them
@Deynox38who?
naw FR I'd shut down after this
@Deynox38 purchase advertisement
Seems he used some decent sources of info here. I could pick out things that probably deserve further context, but it was better than a lot of the videos I've seen on the topic from people not in the know.
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
Imagine allegedly forcing your workers to write a hitpiece on their ex-coworker/friend who just came out of hospital after an unaliving attempt
What a flippantly wild way for management to behave.
Part of the reason why some people suspect they were coerced in a way was bc el1ra was in JP with a work visa and all so it might've been used against her. idk if this is true or not but honestly it's still messed up that the company had other livers involved. they could've had that 15min stream on their main channel and not a liver's and they should've kept Selen's papers private.
One of the upsides of the modern days is that these types of corporate misconduct surfaces faster. I'm sure back in the 90s there were hundreds of idol agencies who had been getting away with worse stuff for entirety of their existence.
You're not wrong. Japanese vtubing agencies are based off the old idol agencies. It's why they are so controlling and brutal. This is the culture of they own you and your image...
Their talents are playing Lethal Company irl.
That's an insult to Lethal Company
with niji skin mod
This is an insult to the company, and we love the company.
Good comment
When the Black Company is being covered by the White Shirt, y'know it's officially mainstream
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
The trifecta of you done fucked up: Internet Jesus, the Bald Man and It's Him Mutahar making a video about your shenanigans on the same day.
Just drafting a contract taking 98% of merch sales should be a criminal charge let alone tricking someone into signing it
That's America Idol and Got Talent
charlie's analogies get me EVERY TIME BRO 😭😭 "A VOLTORB OBSESSED WITH ONLY USING THE MOVE SELF DESTRUCT"
i’m not someone that watches VTubers like at all, but i have to say one other Nijisan streamer i’m worried about is Scarle considering she liked a post that went against the company and was one of the only few that hadn’t shared statements from the company
it’s theorized that Nijisan saw her like something and got into her account to remove the like + some of her videos seem to be missing so if she’s the next one to go, we know why
ALSO. known VA Alejandro Saab (VTuber name Cy Yu: Jing Yuan in Star Rail, Cyno in Genshin, Akihito in Persona 3 Reloaded, etc.) had applied to Nijisan and they tried to make him quit his voice acting work because they basically wanted to own his voice and have control of where he can be featured in projects
Seems the videos were upcoming ones that got canceled? Not sure why they were canceled, but Nijisanji also has a history of "silently suspending" its talents. People disappear for a week after something like that and people just assume they're being punished now.
@@Helmirooh, i see! thanks for clearing that up
Something is fishy as fuck because Nijisanji took down all of her merch from the official site and her stream was supposed to begin like 2 hours ago and still nothing
She is already on the chopping block. They locked her out of her account and she is currently shadow-suspended. She missed her last to scheduled streams with no word of notice or explanation.
@@kirbyjoe7484 oh no...
A few things charlie might've missed: Every tweet on the selen account after christmas had not been written by selen/doki. The termination notice admits to having taken away her access to her accounts. The tweets also use an apostrophe, that looks like a comma instead of like this -> '. Some people refer to this as the japanese apostrophe. Fans had been suspecting that nijisanji was puppeting twitter accounts in the past, but this confirmed it.
In the past, so-called stealth suspensions were also viewed as conspiracy theory bullshit, until nijisanji confirmed this practice themselves. Zaion Lanza's termination notice stated that she had been suspended in january. Now here is where it gets funny. Nijisanji self-reported here, as the only time Zaion/Sayu had been gone during that time was a break she had taken to be with family. Sayu later admitted, that she was forced to tweet that excuse to cover up the actual suspension.
The issues Sayu described and that had been shown in Selen's case, point to management being lazy and vindictive. Rules would be made up on the spot, punishments handed out for things other livers had done before and had continued to do. The general modus operandi seems to be letting talents do what they want and punishing them after the fact instead of actually responding to requests and supporting the talents. Pomu for example had to cancel her 3D debut, because she never got a 3D model at that point. The company fucked it up.
The yacht thing is a meme. There has never been any confirmation about the yacht existing, but people ran with it because it's funny. The meme is actually older than this incident, because nijisanji had been acting greedy long before this happened. Their JP side had a talent switch over to hololive due to harassment. One of their jp talents had a meltdown over a different talent due to them having similar mannerisms of speech, resulting in a legal battle. One of their talents had been terminated for a tweet about baseball, asking "why don't they just throw the ball at people's faces?" I could go on, but if you're interested, the rabbithole goes deep.
Usually companies introduce new vtubers in groups or "waves" as nijisanji calls it. The time between these debuts is usually quite long, ranging from 6 months to over a year. Nijisanji was known in the community for "accelerating", meaning debuting multiple waves a year in an effort to throw as many talents out as possible without checking to see if the management could handle that many.
Due to these incidents, anonymous imageboard posters joked about riku (the anycolor ceo) preferring to spend the money buying yachts instead of supporting his talents. One more sad tidbit: Noor from the sacked indian branch of nijisanji had been working as an EN manager after her activities as a liver ended. They were too cheap to employ actual managers and instead let a complete newbie handle multiple talents.
On your last tidbit; I think all of the IN branch were moved to management. I do remember (albeit vaguely) in one stream that someone did confirm that one of the managers that they were working with at that time was, in fact, Vihaan. I think he might have even said hi in chat when this happened.
The comma thing is unfortunately not a reliable thing to look at. It's been shown in the past that multiple confirmed tweets by Selen have had the comma before.
@@curious2882 the reliable thing is the termination statement, saying they took away her access and the tweets going up after that
Yeesh yikes how bad really is rhe n management and how did kanae and kuzuha etc. Surcvive these
If you don't mind me asking. Who was the JP that switched to Hololive? And who are they now?
For comparison, Hololive gave a 50% share of profits from merchandise sales for the talent, they also get a monthly salary, profit from SC from add, health insurance, and talents are allowed to take long periods of leave for their mental health,Talent gets money for Debut or travel to Japan
Nijisanji gives 2% of the profits from merchandise sales and they monopolize the merchandise so only they can put out merchandise, Don't get a monthly salary because they are freelancers so they also don't get health insurance,If they go to Japan for travel purposes they have to pay for everything themselves and they have to pay for their own debut needs
Pretty sure birthday/anniversary merch is more since talents have a 50/50 split on SCs and they don't push them nearly as hard.
So why does anyone sign with them? Are they dumb? Or are they only the low-talent people who are rejected by better companies, thus driving the company to take more of the income in order to be competitive? It's like paying $20 for a Big Mac knock-off over and over again, instead of just going to get an actual $5 Big Mac.
Moona said she paid for everything during the JP work trip
@@calicotree_Money for travel means plane tickets n not all accommodation needs, This was confirmed by Kobo where she said that the plane tickets were paid for by the company
people in America probably prefers 70:30 or 80:20 in favour of the creators after being used to old twitch rates.
they probably think a 50:50 is a terrible deal
Any Ceo should know this and remember it well, they are not the pillar holding the business they have up, the workers/employees they hired are the ones holding up the business.
Random footnotes, they had an Indonesian branch that got eventually merged with the main branch, but almost all the livers, including many close with the EN branch from that branch have left.
I'm not saying Zaion/Sayu isn't an important part of this story, in fact she is a very important part that gets way deeper, but just before her, Yugo Asuma who goes by Unnämed was terminated in December 2022 and they actually gave no reason to why he was terminated.
They also have a "virtual talent academy" and at some point over 2023 almost all of the members had been terminated.
And if you weren't sure how knee-jerk they are rn, the latest 3 to join the EN branch were given roughly a weeks notice to debut, and their debuts and existences were advertised two days before their debut, which if you don't know, is not enough time to prepare a proper debut, have everything ironed out, lore videos prepared, hype built, and it showed. They were forced to rush through their debuts because it was mostly unplanned and regarding the results, it also showed because they used to have a reputation of 100k+ subs on debut per liver. And they came out at about 30k. Provided, I'd love to have 30k subs, but I'm just wittle ol' me, not a 2.5 Billion dollar company.
We need a count on how many terminations if I had a penny everuome it happened I'd get a dollar
The statement they gave for the ID fans really hurts too, there was even animosity because management was clearly showing favoritism to the EN branch by that point where some from ID/ex-ID were preparing to graduate. It's kind of ironic looking at this situation when previously they dumped the original EN / overseas branch
Niji is VERY profit focused. Indonesia market just ain't profitable enough for them, not a lot of Indonesian donates to streamers and even less pay for the overpriced official merch.
@@tengahhidup true this. TH-cam ads is cheaper on ID, but. There are more views on video. Less for streaming tho.. Biggest ID game streamer have 20k ish daily stream, while on west biggest streamer can get 100k views.. But, operational cost in ID definitely a lot cheaper than west
Yeah I thought it was weird how no one has been bringing up Yugo’s termination 😭
Yagoo: Appears on last Coco's stream after all the drama with China and tried to protect her from haters.
Riku Tazumi: Exploits all his talents like they're his slaves...
This is literally hero and villain story of Vtubing
Yagoo ate vegemite for the enjoyment of the fans.
@DarthABBA you could see the pain on his face lol
There is a reason why we call Yagoo (CEO of Cover/Hololive) the best girl.
He made a few mistakes in the past, like everyone does, but he learned from it and made the company better.
Kurosanji on the other hand... Yeah, they give a fuck about there livers.
@@Divran22When a male is called best girl, you already know he's a goat lmao
Yagoo deciding to abandon China completely and dissolve the entire Chinese branch just to protect Haachama and Coco is such a power move man...😊
Yugo Asuma also ended up leaving early on, it wasn't ever really explained why but they now stream under Unnamed/U-San. It was always weird how their livers would leave and then reappear under different names or agencies
Selen was one of Yugo's favorite vtubers, and they seemed to have a great time meeting up for a collab stream a couple years ago. Now they're streaming together again this week, which is really cool to see.
I thought yugo ended up getting terminated too?
Hory shiet, I thought I moved on from Yugo, but you tug my heartstring once again
@@myeggyweggyIt was a forced-graduation. Nijisanji wanted him out, but they didn't want to simply terminate hin. So instead, they negotiated and let him signing off the graduation. They did this so their hands don't get dirty, but this could only work once.
i never knew this, i was trying to find him so bad. it was so hard
Kurosanji: "You aren't that girl, Dokibird. Our finances will face no problem."
Doki: "Bet."
Doki deserves to be able to move on with her life after being bullied and harassed until she made an attempt, but her abusers just won't let her, they did this during her first gaming stream causing her to have a panic attack live in front of thousands of people, at least they self reported saying that the 3 of them and 2 others were in the lawsuit aka they were the ones named as bullying and harassing Selen, they claimed they weren't bullying her behind closed doors while they publically bully her, Doki's lawyer is getting so much free ammo from these abusive idiots.
If Doki doesn’t automatically win this lawsuit, there will be a bloodbath.
Wait who did she say they bullied her?
@@sssS-ch8nr the three of them on stream + enna and millie
@@sssS-ch8nr That's the MOST FUCKED UP PART, She didn't say ANYONE was bullying her, THEY DID in an attempt to get ahead of potential accusations, She just alleged workplace harassment vaguely AS A RESPONSE to their hitpiece of a termination notice
@@sssS-ch8nr Elira Vox and Ike admitted to being listed in Selens legal document, and stated Millie and Enna were also in it, a legal document listing bullying and harassment allegations, aka they self-reported themselves and Millie/Enna as being the main abusers, otherwise they would not have been in the document or listed in the lawsuit.
Bruh the plaques is crazy. Holo the other big corpo buys 2-3 everytime. They bought three for the twins. Two for them and one for their wall. It’s like $100
I was just thinking to myself "can't they order two" when he was talking about the plaques, it's absolutely insane that they wouldn't even give them that
That money can go to Riku's yacht instead, silly
One scummy thing you missed, Selen has memberships for her channel, and after the termination, instead of management canceling memberships and refunding for that month which is par for the course with graduations and terminations, they kept it open. Memberships are still going to be charged until February 29th with no refund or anything, so the viewers are getting scammed by the company on top of everything else.
It was also alleged that the Elira Pandora "A Message from Nijisanji" video was/is monetized, as well as the message from the CEO.
Not anymore... someone marked it as "unable to be monetized"
@@PSXDarquewynterGood. But still scammy it was possible that long.
I wasn’t surprised, the way streamers have been leaving/terminated (AKA graduating) the company just shows how much they don’t care for their employees.
"The company kept the youtube plaques"
It reminds me when I had to another city for a training while a worked for a group home. I was present for the training, but when I decided to quit, I took everything that "belonged" to me; I later on found out, that even when i trained and received the certificate, it was not mine. Weeks later I received a call demanding for me to return it. I guess they were so petty that they believed I shouldn't own something they paid for to help me find a new job.
Just scan the certificate and put it on your online website/resume/linkedin. No reasonable company will ask you for a hard copy of any certificate, this is 2024, everyone only ask for a soft copy of it. Hell, even sometimes company only care if you write it down on your CV, they don't really check your real certificate. Your work performance will prove it anyways, so the certificate doesn't really matter
@@shirohiruka I could have done that, but never thought about it, well, I didn't had a scanner/printer back then.
I still return them the certificate, I know they couldn't use it cause it had my name. 🤔 I think the owner of that group home already died and her daughter too.
@@makokoro9073 I wouldn't know your local laws but a company or institution in majority of the world cannot force you to return a certificate or any such document. Only the issuer - aka the agency which provided you the certificate and invalidate it or cancel it but that'd require a valid reason such as unfair means, wrongdoing or such. No one can simply take back a certificate, same way a college cannot take back your degree
ikr.
While company like Hololive requests 3 play buttons (which I assume the company either pays for the additional ones or at least contributes partially), 1 is to be kept at the HQ, and the other 2 are for FuwaMoco to receive individually.
i dunno why they don't at least entertain their Livers by giving them their play buttons as their achievements. at least it makes them happy for it.
@@和也兄貴I don't get why the livers can't have their play buttons
Niji's apology video you can see the anger on the CEO's face. I hope he feels more anger in the future. his impact on the company is "negligible".
The only reason why he's angry is because his scam has been exposed for the entire world to see so he knows he's fucked left right and center. He assumes that just because he/his company are Japanese that everyone will be happy with it, laughably he's dealing with his own version of 1945 Hiroshima/Nagasaki but just to his bank accounts.
@tsczhaby Lawsuits can say otherwise. Have other former talents come forward that have dealt with such evilness, it could then potentially become class-action.
@@abysspegasusgamingnah at most the en branch gonna die, but the jp side still gonna make bank. It's sad to say, but jp fans is so used for being a corpo slave that they are fine with stuff like this. Like the amount of jp people that call Selen "weak" or even blaming Selen is enormous, their main argument? "No matter who you working for, you shouldn't defame company like this,, you are shameless" etc. And its not because they don't get the full context, nor they can't speak English, for them niji as a corpo is the right here, which is disgusting. In fact all the PR disaster that niji made (from contradictive statement, bad termination notice, and all their tweet) are there to pleased their japanese audience and investor. Even the "apologize" video is enough to make jp fans hate selen
@@abdulzaelani9954 I absolutely know how it's like to deal with Japanese corpos in the industrial sector, worked for a Japanese company here in the States and they have no mercy let alone care about their employees, even if product was getting put out as scheduled. it amazed me on how little value they had for even their American workers, even when I had family that passed away while I was employed by them. Maybe one day things will change across the board for them to where the people will feel valued and not have to resort to leaving the country in search for a better life.
Those PR/Lawyer team on Nijisanji side can't catch a fucking break, even Charlie is shitting on them too 💀
I eat the cotton candy from my walls
@@Beanzops What does it taste like?
@@fledthehunter5293 The saltwater flooding in and turning the yatch into a submarine I'd expect
What PR team lol
It's not even that, I'm willing to bet the pr people at this company are quitting and going to another company. Cause this isn't salvageable.
When i heard The 'Message from Nijisanji' clip video, it genuinely sounded like Vox was trembling and sweating. After losing pretty much all of their MVP livers.. how much more can they do before they call it quits.
Nijisanji: Shoot foot.
Three days later
Nijisanji again: Shoot foot again.
total shot (until today) : i think it's 6 shot.
- 1st shot from sudden announcement
- 2nd shot from bad written announcement on twitter last time + 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th from "3 liver announcement + official announcement (well put statement but bad placement)"
at this point they already bleed so much, eventhough they "win" they'll still lose in the "western eyes" reputation.
also Nijisanji: wondering why their foot is bleeding
2 days later
Nijisanji: shoots other foot
Charlie covering Niji drama was not on my 2024 bingo card
"Now that I'm fully caught up on the situation"
I guarantee over the next six hours we won't be yet again.
Lawyers, dragoons, dramatubers, and /vt/: This can't possibly get any worse!
Niji: SURE IT CAN!!! (aggressively pumps up paint bubble)
Lmao yeah, one week tops another issue will be revealed.
Yes in fact it's possible scarlet is either graduating or getting terminated. She left a pretty cryptic message in her private account about seeing us soon again
@@IllIlIIlIllI could really just mean she has been in the graduation waiting room for that long already
i still hear someone defend that 2% merch revenue and i cant even fathom
You know you fucked when Baldy and Jesus talks about how bad you're doing.
who’s baldy
@@neglevinI think asmongold?
And mutahar is gonna release a video too
Now we need Coffezilla and the drama trio is complete
@@TheGamer-ko7egmost of his content is about fraud and scam right?
Remember when Kson said she though she was getting robbed when she only gets 50% of her merch sales when she was Coco.
Which is understandable since 50/50 split is in a rather lower side when it comes to profit sharing between a talent and their agency/company.
But 2% was insane. I mean, I've seen a 80/20 with 80 belongs to company and it was crazy, but 2% is insane
@@thejamesonthestreet Do remember that this split is on top of the salary that they receive.
Best way to support any Hololive talent is buying merch. (Which is also the worst way to support any Nijisanji talent)
Kson never actually said that. She said "I used be biching about 50% being low but WTF Damn I am so lucky" which could just as well be about Vshojo.
@kayschut9327 true and I heard that the base salary is already quite decent now, at least compared to when Gen 4 debuted, hahaha
@@kayschut9327i remember María saying the Best way to support them is buying Voice packs and donations through Streamlabs but it makes you wonder if the merch split is that Bad how Bad are the others
Meanwhile on the other end you have Hololive where there CEO advocates for his talents against the investors (investors complaining about payment splits), wears their merch for promotional material, and just recently made a video congradulating one of the talents (Pekora) for being #1 female streamer for 2023.
Holi live wins again by just doing the same thing they've always been doing
Making a video yelling konpeko
Yagoo is the best CEO. Chad.
You mean Yagoo was trying to make us forget Pekora bought a monkey
@@CaptainAmphyI convinced myself all of this happened due to Pekora the Mastermind wanted us to forget about Jill the F Monkey.
There needs to be an entire overhaul on how NDA’s work. In no way in hell should a company be able to abuse people and get away with it because a little peice of paper. If you’re getting abused, that NDA should be completely void and they should NOT be allowed to be sued at all. They shouldn’t even be allowed to attempt to sue anyone.
Anyone can sue anyone for any reason, the thing is you have to prove it in court the terms are not fair etc... US also has pretty crap legal protections for workers. In Aus where I am you can complain to a government agency which can sue the company on behalf of you if there are legitimate workplace issues (ie bullying, witholding wages etc...) which is much better and it doesnt give two fucks about nda's etc...