For someone who claimed to have "busted his ass" for his reputation back, I'm pretty sure that half of the internet still remembers him as the person who laughed at a dead body in the suicide forest. As far as I know, he went from douchebag, to boxer, to organized criminal. I honestly can't tell if this one step up, or twenty steps backwards for him.
He never boxed anyone legit anyway so you can just mark that off the list. I mean no one his size that was his age and stuff. Being carried by Mayweather hardly makes him look good when he's so much bigger than him
@@andrewa6171 Everyone starts off like that. They really haven't made much progress for the years they've trained tho. But they have professional licenses which i guess makes them boxers
"He stole from the rich and the poor, and kept it all for himself" Charlie, it is about time you write a book, this one sentence is the foundation for your villain.
Saying that Coffee is wrong because he interviewed a criminal because that criminal worked for Logan is hilarious. It's like a real life trap card. "You can't get info from my employees because I only hired terrible people!"
It’s also an ad hominem logical fallacy. He attacks people character to try to direct people’s attention away from the actual claims being made against him.
Unfortunately the sheep that follow him will agree it wasn't his fault, but that of his team's. Then will conveniently dodge the fact that logan set up that team.
That flew in the face of what Logan said. If anything, Coffee could sue for defamation as he made up the thing about him trying to work with law enforcement and them saying he was speculative. He straight up lies multiple times to the point Coffee could easily win a defamation case against him, as well as his ASTOUNDING lack of anything resembling evidence, let alone proof.
I love that part too! She let's Coffee know later and then he goes "wait a minute..." and then calls them back and gives them evidence of Jay Mazini scamming a guy WHILE SHOWING HIS ID TO THE GUY IN A CHAT!!!! Long story short, the evidence Cofee was given from a victim was then used in court again the dude.
Fun fact: you are legally allowed to record your own phone calls so long as you are a party of the conversation. Federal Law (18 U.S.C. § 2511) requires one party consent. So you can record your own phone calls.
Depends on the state, too. Certain states are one-party or two-party states with regard to video/audio recording. Edit: It's stated in the video that Coffeezilla was in Texas, a one party consent state, so he should definitely be legally allowed to record his own conversations with people.
Even so, he's a journalist. First thing I suspect if I get a call from journalist is recording everywhere, even off the record stuff (just not published on record).
@@ForgedinPrint that's an important distinction too. Privacy laws only apply when there is a _reasonable expectation_ of privacy. A call asking for a statement for an investigation is _far_ from that
What we're seeing has nothing to do with the real Logan Paul. Coffee did a good job of demonstrating that Logan as he portrays himself on camera is nothing like the actual him.
I'd love to see the comments on his video and see if anyone calls him out, but I'm not brave enough to look. Knowing him his viewers prolly pat him on the back for standing up for himself or some shit
what proof is there that logan himself made millions off of this crypto? the only people who made money where the scammers that jumped ship and also who leaked all the info to coffeezilla...I feel like im living in an alternate universe or no one ever cares about the facts here. its a failed scam crypto that logan clearly lost profit on...stupid idea? yes. failed game, dumb nft? yes. illegal? no...Hes still bag holding lol like what world am i on here? does no one even care about what the objective facts are anymore or they just are too retarded to understand the hard proof in what coffeezilla was saying. im lost fr like theres nothing illegal about a crypto project failing and dumbasses buying into a bad crypto. the only guy who clearly rugged was the bald pokemon guy in the blockchain
I love how Coffeezilla literally exposes Logans text conversation where he's planning on scamming his investors, like actually planning it out, all in text with the other scammers.... and somehow still has the audacity to deny he did anything wrong.
Logan's plan was the equivalent of stealing small amount of money from a bank vault over time. But his buddy just emptied it out for himself the first day.
I'm a lawyer and, let me assure you: this is basically every lawyer's dream. This is the litigatory equivalent of going into trial with a taped confession of the plaintiff saying "Yeah, I'm the actual mastermind, and I'm planning to throw the defendant under the bus" and then describing, word-for-word all the 'evidence' the prosecution has and how they forged it. If Logan Paul had kept his mouth shut and just sued, I'm sure with a sufficiently competent legal team he could have made Coffeezilla look REALLY bad and won. But he couldn't, his ego wouldn't allow that, so he had to make the stupidest video possible (and I guarantee you - he did this either without consulting or against the advice of his lawyers) and now he's basically written the defense's speeches for them. As a general word of advice: if you're going to take legal action - especially if you know you're in the wrong - at least involve a lawyer in the process BEFORE the absolute last moment. Don't be like Logan Paul and just figure "lmao how hard can it be?". Because the answer is 'very hard', especially if you're an idiot scam artist.
It's probably not a scare tactic. Logan Paul legitimately seems dumb enough to think he would win that case. And even if he can't win, he has enough money to drag it out in court and make Coffee lose money on the legal costs too.
@@account-pending-deletion that's exactly what I was gonna say, he can't drag it out and make Coffee lose money on legal fines for as long as he wants, he's a rich bastard with twisted morals
@@account-pending-deletion I'm actually LEGITIMATELY HOPING Logan sues Steven (Coffeezilla) over this. You know why? Because that will bring the IRS into the equation. And how do you suppose the IRS will react when seeing evidence where the founders of a project are conspiring (and even have a RULESET) in place regarding how to manipulate the market for their token/game? Not to mention the fact that just by sueing he's basically burning his reputation to the ground on the internet, and Steven will most certainly have financial backing from every single person who wants Logan to fail. I'm hoping he's as stupid as you say and sue. Now THAT will be the biggest self own in history
Jesus.. hearing the people in chat ask how it was a scam and say you’re biased actually made me sick to my stomach. Can people really not think for themselves.. whoever’s video was uploaded most recently is telling the truth in todays world.
My guess is they've already invested money, so they are in denial and wishing Logan isn't scamming them because they're too deep in to leave his "game."
I love how Charlie always has a way of describing why something is just absolute bull crap in the most perfect way. He has a way of pointing out the obvious in a comedic way, but also makes astonishing points that you wouldn’t think about at first, but make you nod your head in agreement because he’s right.
"Yes, I hired a ton of criminals and either I didn't do my due diligence or I did do it and just didn't tell anyone about it, but you made me look bad, so I'm suing!" - Logan Paul, summarized
Logan Paul doesn’t need to try he’s boring and basic as fuck and so are his viewers anyone who thinks critically already doesn’t buy into anything LP does
Yeah, the problem with "influencers", is some of them are heads of 8-to-9-figure value media companies, and have no idea what executive management is. His entire fucking job is to make sure his team is doing their job. He can't turn around and say, "It's not on me to work out if people I'm hiring are fit for the job; my team dropped the ball there". How can anyone ever trust anything this idiot does if not even *he* trusts the people making the decisions?
If Logan does decide to sue Coffee, then Coffee could have a compelling case for an Anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) countersuit. It will ultimately depend on the jurisdiction where Logan files, but it could mean that if Logan loses then he is required to not only pay Coffee's legal fee but also penalties to Coffee for the lawsuit itself. In the case of the manager's recording, Logan is not a party to that so it would be on his manager to file the lawsuit. Which even if Logan wants to bankroll the lawsuit, the manager's neck is the one on the line if an Anti-SLAPP counterclaim wins. If Logan decides not to pay the penalties, then the manager is still on the hook for them, so it really comes down to if his manager trusts that Logan will pay for everything.
According to my cursory research, the "illegal" recording of the phone call with Logan's manager Jeff would be totally legal. In Texas (Coffeezilla is based in Houston if I'm not mistaken), recording a phone conversation (whether in person or digitally) is legal so long as one of the parties on the phone is consenting to the call being recorded. Considering Coffeezilla recorded the conversation himself, it's safe to say that he consented lmao
It would even be legal everywhere else, because Coffee specifically asked the guy for comment on the situation for his ongoing investigation. Hence the replies centered around the magical phrase "no comment". Sure, there was more talk than just no comment, but it was clear as day that this call might very well be made public.
I simultaneously am caught between feeling bad for the people affected by Logan Paul's scams and also questioning who in the world would ever trust Logan Paul to do anything.
Don’t feel bad. Some of them are even thinking to buy MORE of Cryptozoo thinking that after the podcast the price will go up. After all of that Logan still manage to makes some of his fans to still invest to this scam lol
So let me get this straight... Logan's defense is that his project was always SUPPOSED to suck, and he built an entire team of criminals and shady characters, and that's why the project failed, and somehow that means that Coffee is wrong? Brilliant. He had us in the first half.
Actually I think what Logan essentially admitted to is even better. He said that his team hired these shady characters to do everything. Logan essentially has nothing to do with anything that he promotes (other than boxing) and his team has a awful track record of hiring the right people for a job. If anyone in the future ever puts money into anything Logan promotes, they are the dumbest people in the world. They already were dumb to trust Logan, but now he has admited that he has zero to do with anything.
@@jthom0027 okay. then he should just apologize then. People should just promote what they believe in. Why did he even promote it? Filing a lawsuit should also not be an option.
@@jthom0027 just because he said he's not responsible doesn't make not responsible. And there is clear evidence that he knew what he was doing. Sometimes I wonder if you people actually watch the videos or just comment stupidity like this
maybe because he wasnt in charge of the hiring process? hes an idiot but to be fair eddie ibanez did most of the hiring and he's conned a shitton of high profile people until his recent exposure
@@reezy9727 feel like Logan Paul is the type to come up with the idea and the lawyers were like sure🤷♂️ Never seen anyone with a brain by his side ngl Edit: maybe we’ll find out the lawyers were criminals
The contention that the fact he didn't sell absolves him from insider trading, wire fraud, and the associated "conspiracy to commit" charges is one of the funniest things in this video. Logan, bubbie, you committed insider trading when you bought the ZOO tokens during the "soft launch" prior to announcement. You committed wire fraud when you didn't disclose this materially relevant fact (among many other materially relevant facts) to the public when you did launch. The fact that you didn't sell/realize gains doesn't mean dick.
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 also, wouldn't sueing Coffee require him to hand out all their info regarding CryptoZoo to Coffee's Legal team for the trial? Probably hurting himself more than anything
@@nastasiacr3676 Suing like this would absolutely be a scare tactic, this is the same as Billy Mitchel suing everyone: strap your opposition with legal costs because you have so much money these costs are nothing to you.
The fact he ignored his lawyers is literally exactly what my mom did when my dad was trying to get custody of me. And guess what? She lost. Very bad. I haven’t seen her for a year (thank god) and it’s so insane seeing famous people acting the way my mom did who has been declared a dead beat parent. It’s just baffling
He also said"I am good because I didn't sell tokens on a crypto project which was burning in the background while I openly promoted it telling no one it was."
Also I like how he tries to pretend his only mistake was trusting his hiring team (as if he had no responsibility for that as well), when he actually WAS PLANNING A RUGPULL in those chat messages, he never talks about that and tries to pretend none of that happened, and his only mistake was "hiring the wrong people".
Coffeezilla: The employee we spoke with, we'll simply call him Z, so we don't completely dox him Logal Paul: Well Jokes on you, I hired a criminal and allow me to dox him
Back here after his latest apology video. Anyone who believes that he’s genuinely sorry needs to watch this video. What a narcissistic phoney who sadly won’t be cancelled.
It makes me so happy that this Charles video has more views than Logan’s actual response. More people waited for Charlie to make a video on Logan, than they actually waited for Logan.😭
I'm betting that Coffeezilla ran his story by a lawyer before posting. If Logan chooses to sue him, he's only going to out himself further and deeper as a scammer, he could end up with criminal charges because this "game" is apparently not up and running and penguin didn't show the very end where Logan Paul has the dates 2023/2024 as if it's still to come. People have lost millions, a judge could rule that Logan Paul pay them all back. I'm going to say Logan threw out an empty threat because he knows he owes people money and he might have intentionally hired scammers, because he is one, birds of the feather.
I really love the part where logan provided facts and sources to back his claims. My second favorite part is where he showed remorse for the victims and gave accountability! If you having a hard time finding the evidence, sources, remorse, and accountability so I'll provide a time stamp: 40:00 Hope this helps!
it's interesting that he wasn't aware of the background of Eddy Ibanez before the investigation, while there were information available just by googling his name, but somehow, was aware of the developer's criminal record, which has been cleared, and records deleted from public access. He seems to be the only one who knew about this guy's past
@@ethanarchy2070has jake got into controversy on his own? I don’t remember hearing his controversy outside of him being groups up with Logan’s shenanigans? I wouldnt speak out as well, I think him doing his own thing is probably good for him. Logan seemed to me like the instigator?
In fairness to Logan, he'd be admitted to fraud if he did that, and would most likely go to prison if the feds decided to pursue it. I'm sure his lawyers told him not to even make this video, but if he insisted, they probably told him not to admit guilt.
I think it’s because he knows most of his followers are kids and they’ll accept any excuse from him or they just don’t care because they don’t want to stop watching his videos. If the Japan thing didn’t end his career, I don’t think this will. Even if he went to prison, his channel would be fine 😅
Logan is unreachable except through a talent manager like most (sudo) "celebrities" but gets mad coffee called the only avaliable person, his manager. Make it make sense Logan.
I'm an Eagles fan, and I remember almost everything about that Philadelphia Eagles 2017 team that won the SB. I remember crying my eyes out after they won. There was never a guy named Eddie Ibanez on the Eagles. There's no way Logan is gonna unknowingly hire a career criminal in the very things that would suggest you shouldn't work with that guy.
I would imagine some YT Lawyers out there may even offer to help pro bono tbh, but either way he'll probably have no problem getting money for a good lawyer
@@WisteriaBerlitz You gotta admit that Logan has a point about: Why did coffeezilla not discloses certain information and in doing such made it look like Logan was worse. Logan, as far as the evidence shows, is a victim. He clearly shows that several scammers all gathered around and screwed him over. Logan, on the other hand, has done nothing wrong. People 'invested' in the idea, and let's be honest here, anyone who invests in crypto in ANY form, or NFTs, IN ANY FORM, are basically just burning money. It has always been that way from the beginning.
_"Why did I hire a criminal you ask? _*_Because I trusted the other criminal I hired to hire another criminal!"_* Probably my favourite point of contention Logan brought up against himself.
"Did I hire a criminal who did 2 rug pulls? Yes I did, because my team didn't do their research properly and neither did I. But you also didn't do your research Coffee, you didn't know this guy already did 2 rug pulls like I did!" It's like he's either extremely dumb and did much less research than he is accusing Coffee of not doing, or he knew about the criminals and said nothing so he could scam his audience. And the best part is he doesn't understand that with his own video these are the only two conclusions you can draw.
The greatest part to all of this. Logan is perfectly willing to spend literally MILLIONS in legal expenses to sue coffeezilla instead of simply just using that same money to refund the people who were caught up in his incompetence while selling a "Game" that was made by a team of scammers and con artists.
The greatest part is that his response is “well let me tell you why you are un creditable , if you did your research you would know that I hired a bunch of criminals, HA! Gotcha.”
@@karrimgyver Fair. Probably not in legal fees but if he does go to court he will likely have no ground to stand on and will almost certainly loose any case and then have to pay for his own legal expenses and coffeezilla's. The point is he is a fake millionair Prick whose EGO is so big he can't see that at the end of the day this is his own fault. He also appears to surrounded himself with yes men who are too afraid to tell him the truth. The man makes an aproximated $35 million a year so he has the means to make this right and just doesn't want to.
Well ofcourse, because if he refunded the poor people he screwed over then he'd be admitting guilt. Logan isn't going to do that and so won't be paying anybody back unfortunately
@@karrimgyver It can be millions. There have been similar cases recently. Mark Wade being sued by Richard Myer for example. Wade called businesses in Texas to defame Myer to get them to not sell Myer's comic book. Myer sued Wade for defamation and got a $200,000 war chest in donations from his community to do it. Wade did everything he could do do stall, and cost more money to Myer. The $200,000 war chest dried up and eventually, Myer had to spend his own money to keep it going. 2 years later there was still nothing actually happening, so Myer was forced to settle with Wade. It costs a lot of money to sue, and it costs a lot of money to defend when being sued. That's why a lot of content creators are bullied by false DMCA, which happens all the damn time. Sue and then stall. The side with the deeper pockets wins 99% of the time.
That's what there's legal concepts like saying that someone is "defamation proof" ie their public reputation is so terrible that accusing them of jaywalking isn't an actionable offense
Right! The minute he came into that ring in WWE with "The Miz" (another complete douche imo) it should have been the warning sign that he was not a likeable person at all
Logan: "Coffee, you took a shot at my reputation, [blink] I am going to defend myself with facts [blink][blink] which you have gotten in the habit of twisting[blink][blink][blink][blink][blink][blink][blink]. Yeah this guy is totally trustworthy.
The part where he rips Coffee for not reaching out to him directly is so damn funny. That's literally what your manager is for, as if his manager didn't tell him about it, as if he didn't have every chance to call him back. What a joke.
Yeah that really had me rolling. The whole point of keeping a manager is so they don't directly interact with you. People literally go "talk to my manager lol" if you even try and I'm pretty fucking sure that's what Logan would've done to Coffee if he reached out to him before his manager without thinking too much into it. Now that his manager failed at damage control, he's going like "you could've reached out to me I thought we're bros here". He's a fucking clown dude. EDIT: Saw Coffee's tweet the other day where he debunked this claim, so now Logan's doubly clowned himself. *chef's kiss*
the worst thing is that he did in fact reach out to him like year ago when there were but mere rumors about cryptozoo being a scam, and he didn't reply
@@thundertracker4510 yea I think about two times. Logan just ignored him, which resulted in coffee contacting his manager. Edit: coffee reached out again for comments to Logan before he published each vid too I think. Also throughout this time coffee was blocked by clown boy on everything
@@drewjensen2798 def lmao. Look at his jap video 😂 and his brother. Both of them were raised entitled and narcissistic. Not surprised a narc started a scam 😂
Not a single of those hands were clean, save for those of the developers. Maybe... I wonder how difficult it was for them to realize that they were working on a scam.
The fact that Logan tried to even accuse Coffee that he never reached out to him until recently WHEN HE HAD BLOCKED HIM ON TWITTER AND HIS MANAGER LEFT COFFEE ON READ SINCE OCTOBER is just mind boggling to me as to how ANYONE would even take this guy remotely seriously.
Plausible deniability is usually one of the last lines of defense for these people in these situations. Just play dumb and act like you had no knowledge then draw it out until you get taken to court
He literally said himself that coffee contacted HIS MANAGER. Like that isn't the most standard way of trying to contact a person like Logan. "Why don't you contact me?" cuz that's not how it works!!! your manager is supposed to help you manage your contacts, dealing with business enquiries or important issues like clarifying a serious allegation. Like how else shud i contact you? am I suppose to call you up via my phone? He is just putting words out to stir everything up so his 8yo audience would believe.
@@ekamsingh1640 i do remember that somewhere in the video it stated that the research for this case started about a year ago, so one can assume that Coffee did tried to reach out way before December. But yea, its not pointed out in the video explicitly. Also, this information was not important to the scam, knowing this information does not really change the narrative of this story, so I don't really see why it needs to added into the videos.
Logan Paul's response to a well-thought, deeply investigated three part series on his misgivings consisted of, "When he did contact me directly, I didn't respond, and when he contacted my manager, I didn't respond." This is followed by mud-slinging against specific bad actors in the crypto space, throwing his own criminal goons under the bus, and not taking accountability for anything, finally ending it by taunting us with yet another grift and threatening legal action against Coffeezilla. It's severe. It's continuous. It's a lapse in judgement that I dont expect to ever be forgiven. I hope Coffee owns this clown in court.
@@Thecultofwrestling Honestly its like he forgets he works for them. He's used to being his own boss and doing whatever but this kind of stuff will get him noticed by WWE in the worst way.
recording thing could go either way. depends on the state the recorder was in at the time. some states have one party consent laws, where only one party needs to consent to recording. i feel like most people know recording phone calls has legal ramifications so i have sincere doubts coffeezilla would have illegally recorded a phone call and then used it in a video without having something in his pocket, like being in a one party consent state or something. i don't think hes dumb enough to get caught on that.
Complaining that he should have approached him directly, when he goes to great effort to be unaccessible, instead of his manager, is like complaining that someone should have gone to your house, in a private, gated community, instead of calling you on the phone.
What rubbish manager does he have if he didn't let him know coffezilla wanted to contact him? Just what is Logan complaining about here? He's a victim of everyone he has around him? "I'm with stupid" t-shirt comes to mind.
Being mad that he called you on the phone that your butler answers for you. Then requesting to talk to you but you told your butler you weren't talking to him and to take a message.
Logan's team of employees should quit their jobs and not pretend nothing has happened nor changed. Why work with someone who is def delirious loony minded seeking for attention. Logan Paul is always hoax himself and can't admit his errors; instead he's being part of the hype crowdfunding like NFTs
If Coffeezilla had contacted him, and not also his manager, Logan's line would have been: 'You tried to rudely confront me in DMs. I get thousands of messages a day from people I don't know. What you should have done is contact my manager, if you were truly a professional acting in good faith.'
@@Noodles.Doodles Funny part is that Coffee actually tried to contact him lmao. In 2021 he messaged not only Logan's manager asking to talk to Logan but he also sent a message through instagram but Logan never responded
Someone clearly wrote this script for him lmao and even then they had trouble actually finding any solid evidence so they used words that aren't frequently used to tame the masses 😂😂😂
Suing Coffeezilla is an insane reaction. If he really wanted to take no responsibility he could have just pretended he had no idea he hired criminals and sue those people to save face.
Suing coffeezilla would mean a certain loss Logan is in the wrong. Cryptozoo IS a scam so logan would not only lose the case, he would also get investigated by the actual court for scamming
@@bendy514 I mean, technically its not a scam. And that is the only claim Logan has. Before that, he would need to have an actual release date set for his game. Doesnt mean Logan would win tho, because the evidence that was available pointed heavily to the conclusion that Coffeezilla made. If Logan truly wants a chance at winning a lawsuit against Coffeezilla, he would need to sue the criminal developers who were acting with malicious intent. Which, by the way, hiring people who have a felony isnt the same as hiring criminals, so that sueing might also not work as Zach Kelling has not been doing any criminal activities after he served justice. So not only would Logan need to prove that all his fired teammembers were working with malicious intent, he would also need to finish the game in a way where its not scamming any people directly and would be promoted that people can lose money(as its essentially Lootbox the Game). And that is going to be incredibly tough to do.
The "He didn't sell so it's not a scam" take is so smooth brained. I bet that the favorite toothpaste brand of people using the take to defend Logan is Kiwi boot polish. He promised a product with certain marketed features. He failed to deliver said product with said marketed features. He used deceptive marketing, and said deceptive marketing directly caused people to invest and lose money. Just because he didn't make money off of it doesn't exempt it from being a scam.
And the other people on the team sold anyway. So by his logic, everyone on the team has to steal money for it to be a scam. This is the kind of guy that instructions for shampoo exist for.
Which is why I don't believe he has a lawyer. And if he does, the lawyer isn't doing their job of explaining to Logan, the client, of why he shouldn't make a video response until after court proceedings.
@@lazer2521 He could have a lawyer but isn’t following advice or wasn’t given it yet. Look at Alex Jones for example, he was likely advised to shut up but couldn’t help himself from continuing to talk about the lawsuit on his show while the lawsuit was still happening and they used that episode in court. His ego got in the way of following the advice of his lawyers. We all know about Logan’s ego.
@@sardonisms I would be surprised if someone with that much money and audience size didn’t have a lawyer(s). I’m not sure if the situation would warrant a lawyer to leave. It’s important to wait and see how this develops. When it comes to Texas law which Charlie mentioned, I don’t think that matters as it’s possible for him to just go jurisdiction shopping. Even if there aren’t any legal merits for a lawsuit, he could still sue for the sake of publicity and to cost Steven a lot of money and stress. If I were Logan, I wouldn’t sue because that would given Steven the right to request documents through discovery providing more evidence to him about CryptoZoo and the schemes.
Stick together? His channel is still one of the biggest. I wouldn't consider the TH-cam community sticking together unless they were actually ignoring the channel of an obvious DB.
“I hope you save up enough money for a good lawyer” Meanwhile Stephen’s been openly talking about paying for liability insurance for years in case someone he covered decided to try suing him into the ground
It was hard not to laugh at this, especially when Logan was mad about the fact that Coffee "Didn't reach out to him" and talked to his manager instead when in Coffee's video he showed that Logan had him blocked on his social media XD
I also like how Logan's proof of Coffee's "first time reaching out" has the title "3rd request for comment..." at the top, implying that was not the first time he's attempted reaching out to Logan. He can't even keep his narrative consistent in his own accusation, goddamn.
I am confused. Is either Coffe or Logan's manager in California or was present ( to anyone's knowledge) in California at the time of the phone call? Because if not by the evidence shown by Logan himself he has no argument to claim an "invasion of privacy" lol. Also we don't know ( at least from our side) if Coffe started the conversation with the manager that he was recording for legal reasons or not.
Logan is perfect proof that you if you're charismatic, rich, and handsome enough you can literally get away with some the most heinous actions known to man and face almost zero consequences for them.
Ok, rich and handsome is understandable (maybe in that handsome part cuz…eh.), but he is in no way charismatic. He and everyone he touches is dumb as bricks and not in the funny way.
@@meanieeheart4236 he's indeed charismatic to certain group of his supporters. It's difficult to speak bullshit in such a confident way day in day out. That's charismatic imo.
The recording the phone call was NOT illegal due to 1-party consent laws in Texas. Phone calls can be recorded with the knowledge of just ONE of the parties on recorded call.
4:08 this is slander, in theory this could have damaged coffee's reputation as he could be seen as a bad detective, there is no evidence for this claim, so ironically enough Coffee could sue Logan
The "why did you talk to my manager and not me?" thing is completely insane. He gets in touch with his manager, asks to talk to Logan, Logan doesn't respond, and then goes for "why didn't you reach out to me instead?", when he's actually blocked him on Twitter? WTF?
When the guy said "no its just a picture" he wasn't even referring to the NFT itself, he was referring to the egg as being just a picture that did not fuction as a hatching device. Because Steven had said "So you cant even hatch?" "No it (the egg) is just a picture"
"Your addiction to clicks has clouded your judgment"
Logan just described his entire career in one second.
It’s like Anakin trying to tell Obi Wan 😂
Just zero self awareness from these TH-cam kids lol 🤦🏽♂️
The number of like this comment gets matches Logan’s moms body count
Mf saying that as he holds the secondary reputation of recording a suicide forest for said clicks.
Logan has made a severe and continuous lapse in his judgement
He's willing to sue Coffeezilla but not willing to apologize to the victims
He just wants more money
I want him to win sueing coffee so charlie can be mad
He cant apologize, because that would mean he is not going to do it again. ;-)
@@chilldue6599 He won't win. He has no case for defamation
@@jjthe It would be insane to sue, considering what might come out in discovery. (crappy thumbs)
For someone who claimed to have "busted his ass" for his reputation back, I'm pretty sure that half of the internet still remembers him as the person who laughed at a dead body in the suicide forest.
As far as I know, he went from douchebag, to boxer, to organized criminal. I honestly can't tell if this one step up, or twenty steps backwards for him.
He never boxed anyone legit anyway so you can just mark that off the list. I mean no one his size that was his age and stuff.
Being carried by Mayweather hardly makes him look good when he's so much bigger than him
For someone who said he “doesn’t expect to be forgiven” for the forest incident, he sure acts like someone who expects to have been forgiven for it
@@newerest1 KSI?
@@rock4glory713 they're both not qualified boxers, they're embarrassments.
@@andrewa6171 Everyone starts off like that. They really haven't made much progress for the years they've trained tho. But they have professional licenses which i guess makes them boxers
"He stole from the rich and the poor, and kept it all for himself" Charlie, it is about time you write a book, this one sentence is the foundation for your villain.
That's just a thief
@@wilfredoandresquinonesruiz5263 yeah
Payday 2 had a music with something like this:
" steal from the rich, keep to myself "
@@defaltthelonersteal from the rich give to myself is such a banger gets me wanting to play again
Saying that Coffee is wrong because he interviewed a criminal because that criminal worked for Logan is hilarious. It's like a real life trap card. "You can't get info from my employees because I only hired terrible people!"
It's a genius strategy, really 🤣🤣
"You can't trust them they're criminals. Yes I hired them but I figured everyone deserves a second chance!"
😂😂😂😂 exactly!
A criminal can't be a victim 😂
It’s also an ad hominem logical fallacy. He attacks people character to try to direct people’s attention away from the actual claims being made against him.
Calling the developer who did something 20 years ago a criminal seemed shitty unless there's a bunch of other crimes that are more recent.
I love how he made the situation 10x worse for himself by admitting he hired criminals 💀💀
Unfortunately the sheep that follow him will agree it wasn't his fault, but that of his team's. Then will conveniently dodge the fact that logan set up that team.
His hiring team*
@@Neos7 He quite literally said in interviews he hired them himself
@@chiggy2206 but now he’s gonna shift blame for sure. And make someone accept his blame
@@theweirdo61 this is sadly correct yes.
You know you're a good journalist when authorities want your evidence for an investigation.
That flew in the face of what Logan said. If anything, Coffee could sue for defamation as he made up the thing about him trying to work with law enforcement and them saying he was speculative. He straight up lies multiple times to the point Coffee could easily win a defamation case against him, as well as his ASTOUNDING lack of anything resembling evidence, let alone proof.
i enjoyed that story, btw - apparently his wife hung up on them. they said they were calling from the fbi and she assumed it was a scam lmao.
@@zubetpLMAO
I love that part too! She let's Coffee know later and then he goes "wait a minute..." and then calls them back and gives them evidence of Jay Mazini scamming a guy WHILE SHOWING HIS ID TO THE GUY IN A CHAT!!!! Long story short, the evidence Cofee was given from a victim was then used in court again the dude.
Fun fact: you are legally allowed to record your own phone calls so long as you are a party of the conversation. Federal Law (18 U.S.C. § 2511) requires one party consent. So you can record your own phone calls.
Depends on the state, too. Certain states are one-party or two-party states with regard to video/audio recording.
Edit: It's stated in the video that Coffeezilla was in Texas, a one party consent state, so he should definitely be legally allowed to record his own conversations with people.
Even so, he's a journalist. First thing I suspect if I get a call from journalist is recording everywhere, even off the record stuff (just not published on record).
@@ForgedinPrint that's an important distinction too. Privacy laws only apply when there is a _reasonable expectation_ of privacy. A call asking for a statement for an investigation is _far_ from that
Logan's ego has always made it impossible for him to accept any criticism.
What we're seeing has nothing to do with the real Logan Paul. Coffee did a good job of demonstrating that Logan as he portrays himself on camera is nothing like the actual him.
I'd love to see the comments on his video and see if anyone calls him out, but I'm not brave enough to look. Knowing him his viewers prolly pat him on the back for standing up for himself or some shit
@@skrumbobumbo3279 Nah the comments are absolutely tearing him up
Just like a lot of any people really on the internet, leftist or right.
what proof is there that logan himself made millions off of this crypto? the only people who made money where the scammers that jumped ship and also who leaked all the info to coffeezilla...I feel like im living in an alternate universe or no one ever cares about the facts here. its a failed scam crypto that logan clearly lost profit on...stupid idea? yes. failed game, dumb nft? yes. illegal? no...Hes still bag holding lol like what world am i on here? does no one even care about what the objective facts are anymore or they just are too retarded to understand the hard proof in what coffeezilla was saying. im lost fr like theres nothing illegal about a crypto project failing and dumbasses buying into a bad crypto. the only guy who clearly rugged was the bald pokemon guy in the blockchain
its crazy and very unexpected how he hired a team that turns out to be all criminals but still blames them not himself
I be making entertaining videos as well
Its crazy how you’re separating Logan from a criminal like they’re not one in the same
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
These bots make me want to die
6 bot responses ready and a million more on the way
I love how Logan's response is him basically admitting that he hired criminals to work with him.
I love how Coffeezilla literally exposes Logans text conversation where he's planning on scamming his investors, like actually planning it out, all in text with the other scammers.... and somehow still has the audacity to deny he did anything wrong.
Logan's plan was the equivalent of stealing small amount of money from a bank vault over time. But his buddy just emptied it out for himself the first day.
I'm a lawyer and, let me assure you: this is basically every lawyer's dream. This is the litigatory equivalent of going into trial with a taped confession of the plaintiff saying "Yeah, I'm the actual mastermind, and I'm planning to throw the defendant under the bus" and then describing, word-for-word all the 'evidence' the prosecution has and how they forged it.
If Logan Paul had kept his mouth shut and just sued, I'm sure with a sufficiently competent legal team he could have made Coffeezilla look REALLY bad and won. But he couldn't, his ego wouldn't allow that, so he had to make the stupidest video possible (and I guarantee you - he did this either without consulting or against the advice of his lawyers) and now he's basically written the defense's speeches for them.
As a general word of advice: if you're going to take legal action - especially if you know you're in the wrong - at least involve a lawyer in the process BEFORE the absolute last moment. Don't be like Logan Paul and just figure "lmao how hard can it be?".
Because the answer is 'very hard', especially if you're an idiot scam artist.
What would he sue Coffeezilla for?
Thanks for the insight mate 👍
FACTS
@@avpthegreat libel, likely
Logan paul thinks he's in ace attorney or something
Throwing out the "I will sue you" thing is definitely a stupid scare tactic for Logan to use. Coffee definitely has the proof, and also backing.
And also Logan has barely any grounds! He did more work against himself in this video than not
It's probably not a scare tactic. Logan Paul legitimately seems dumb enough to think he would win that case. And even if he can't win, he has enough money to drag it out in court and make Coffee lose money on the legal costs too.
Logan just fucked himself posting this video.
@@account-pending-deletion that's exactly what I was gonna say, he can't drag it out and make Coffee lose money on legal fines for as long as he wants, he's a rich bastard with twisted morals
@@account-pending-deletion I'm actually LEGITIMATELY HOPING Logan sues Steven (Coffeezilla) over this. You know why? Because that will bring the IRS into the equation.
And how do you suppose the IRS will react when seeing evidence where the founders of a project are conspiring (and even have a RULESET) in place regarding how to manipulate the market for their token/game?
Not to mention the fact that just by sueing he's basically burning his reputation to the ground on the internet, and Steven will most certainly have financial backing from every single person who wants Logan to fail.
I'm hoping he's as stupid as you say and sue. Now THAT will be the biggest self own in history
Jesus.. hearing the people in chat ask how it was a scam and say you’re biased actually made me sick to my stomach. Can people really not think for themselves.. whoever’s video was uploaded most recently is telling the truth in todays world.
You must be new here...
People will always blindly follow something, and then blindly defend it by searching in a needle of haystacks for ridiculous justifications.
My guess is they've already invested money, so they are in denial and wishing Logan isn't scamming them because they're too deep in to leave his "game."
@@vatatheoanonymous3705If he was, at least it was a pretty easy introduction.
@@IHateAmer1ca lmao, facts
I love how Charlie always has a way of describing why something is just absolute bull crap in the most perfect way. He has a way of pointing out the obvious in a comedic way, but also makes astonishing points that you wouldn’t think about at first, but make you nod your head in agreement because he’s right.
"Yes, I hired a ton of criminals and either I didn't do my due diligence or I did do it and just didn't tell anyone about it, but you made me look bad, so I'm suing!" - Logan Paul, summarized
”It’s not my fault that the criminal that i hired hired a criminal”
Logan Paul doesn’t need to try he’s boring and basic as fuck and so are his viewers anyone who thinks critically already doesn’t buy into anything LP does
Yeah, the problem with "influencers", is some of them are heads of 8-to-9-figure value media companies, and have no idea what executive management is. His entire fucking job is to make sure his team is doing their job. He can't turn around and say, "It's not on me to work out if people I'm hiring are fit for the job; my team dropped the ball there". How can anyone ever trust anything this idiot does if not even *he* trusts the people making the decisions?
Charlie is the most stupid smart person I have seen
Thats funny
We live in an age where someone does something openly illegal and they just sue the ones who expose them.
Thats literally assange and the us government
Pretty sure in japan if you expose somebody, even if it is proven true, you can be sued for defamation. So it definitely happens
@@phoenixvance6642 Japan is a failed society
That age has been since forever
@@phoenixvance6642 You sure that's not "expose yourself to somebody"? 😂
If Logan does decide to sue Coffee, then Coffee could have a compelling case for an Anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) countersuit. It will ultimately depend on the jurisdiction where Logan files, but it could mean that if Logan loses then he is required to not only pay Coffee's legal fee but also penalties to Coffee for the lawsuit itself.
In the case of the manager's recording, Logan is not a party to that so it would be on his manager to file the lawsuit. Which even if Logan wants to bankroll the lawsuit, the manager's neck is the one on the line if an Anti-SLAPP counterclaim wins. If Logan decides not to pay the penalties, then the manager is still on the hook for them, so it really comes down to if his manager trusts that Logan will pay for everything.
According to my cursory research, the "illegal" recording of the phone call with Logan's manager Jeff would be totally legal. In Texas (Coffeezilla is based in Houston if I'm not mistaken), recording a phone conversation (whether in person or digitally) is legal so long as one of the parties on the phone is consenting to the call being recorded. Considering Coffeezilla recorded the conversation himself, it's safe to say that he consented lmao
It would even be legal everywhere else, because Coffee specifically asked the guy for comment on the situation for his ongoing investigation. Hence the replies centered around the magical phrase "no comment". Sure, there was more talk than just no comment, but it was clear as day that this call might very well be made public.
The way he’s managed to avoid all accountability reminds me of most 10 year olds.
😊
I be making entertaining videos as well
Ngl if he took accountability ppl will still complain so .
He is still 10
i mean his audience are 10 y.o's
I simultaneously am caught between feeling bad for the people affected by Logan Paul's scams and also questioning who in the world would ever trust Logan Paul to do anything.
It’s crazy how ppl actually fall for this it’s so stupid
@@ravenboink1135especially since this is the second time he’s scammed people out of their money.
Don’t feel bad. Some of them are even thinking to buy MORE of Cryptozoo thinking that after the podcast the price will go up. After all of that Logan still manage to makes some of his fans to still invest to this scam lol
there dumb for investing in a NFt cause like 75% of NFts are scams.
I trust him to scam me, which in turn i can utilize to profit.
10:30 I always find this hilarious how he tries to claim it’s Coffees first time contacting him when the email literally says 3rd request for comment😂
If you attack the person and not the claims, you lose. Doesn't matter if you're right or wrong.
Like telling someone you're angry at for exposing you that you wanna box them.
So let me get this straight... Logan's defense is that his project was always SUPPOSED to suck, and he built an entire team of criminals and shady characters, and that's why the project failed, and somehow that means that Coffee is wrong?
Brilliant. He had us in the first half.
To be fair all NFT projects sucked. Bored Apes? Crypto Punks? They all lived on hype which is what Logan was trying to create.
Actually I think what Logan essentially admitted to is even better. He said that his team hired these shady characters to do everything. Logan essentially has nothing to do with anything that he promotes (other than boxing) and his team has a awful track record of hiring the right people for a job. If anyone in the future ever puts money into anything Logan promotes, they are the dumbest people in the world. They already were dumb to trust Logan, but now he has admited that he has zero to do with anything.
@@jthom0027 okay. then he should just apologize then.
People should just promote what they believe in. Why did he even promote it?
Filing a lawsuit should also not be an option.
exactly just wait and supply them more money then rug pull. these things take time!
@@jthom0027 just because he said he's not responsible doesn't make not responsible. And there is clear evidence that he knew what he was doing. Sometimes I wonder if you people actually watch the videos or just comment stupidity like this
I love how he blamed everyone else, as if he didn't hire them.
my farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
@@p-__ they arent cry about it :)
@@zeron7461>:( they are better
maybe because he wasnt in charge of the hiring process? hes an idiot but to be fair eddie ibanez did most of the hiring and he's conned a shitton of high profile people until his recent exposure
5 replies and they're all bots. Yet Susan cares more about people saying mean things in videos.
Lol he deleted it
nice
"I didn't rob a bank, don't you know all the people I went to the bank with were convicted bank robbers?"
There is no way he thinks taking someone to court after he admitted to working with criminals and scammers is a good idea
Some lawyer probably told him that it's a good idea
When you got money like logan it dont even mstter what he said.
@@reezy9727 must be ambers
@@reezy9727 feel like Logan Paul is the type to come up with the idea and the lawyers were like sure🤷♂️
Never seen anyone with a brain by his side ngl
Edit: maybe we’ll find out the lawyers were criminals
@@AIopekis He's the type that would snitch on himself just to spite said lawyer.
Also love the "I robbed the bank but the other guys got all the money so I shouldn't go to jail" argument Logan makes
The contention that the fact he didn't sell absolves him from insider trading, wire fraud, and the associated "conspiracy to commit" charges is one of the funniest things in this video. Logan, bubbie, you committed insider trading when you bought the ZOO tokens during the "soft launch" prior to announcement. You committed wire fraud when you didn't disclose this materially relevant fact (among many other materially relevant facts) to the public when you did launch. The fact that you didn't sell/realize gains doesn't mean dick.
I’ll fight him
@@milhousevanhoutan9235 also, wouldn't sueing Coffee require him to hand out all their info regarding CryptoZoo to Coffee's Legal team for the trial? Probably hurting himself more than anything
@@safs3098 Ohh I don't know much about this but if that's thrue then he's just saying this to act like he's innocent and scare coffeezila.
@@nastasiacr3676 Suing like this would absolutely be a scare tactic, this is the same as Billy Mitchel suing everyone: strap your opposition with legal costs because you have so much money these costs are nothing to you.
My favorite part is Logan Paul saying Coffezilla is tainting his reputation as if Aokigahara suddenly vanished from the planet.
🤣🤣
The fact he ignored his lawyers is literally exactly what my mom did when my dad was trying to get custody of me. And guess what? She lost. Very bad. I haven’t seen her for a year (thank god) and it’s so insane seeing famous people acting the way my mom did who has been declared a dead beat parent. It’s just baffling
"He's wrong, I'm right, my partners were criminals, the project was bad anyway. I'll sue Coffee now" is basically what he said
Lol
Yup. Logan thinking this was a good idea is baffling to me.
Great summation.🤣🤣🤣
He also said"I am good because I didn't sell tokens on a crypto project which was burning in the background while I openly promoted it telling no one it was."
Also I like how he tries to pretend his only mistake was trusting his hiring team (as if he had no responsibility for that as well), when he actually WAS PLANNING A RUGPULL in those chat messages, he never talks about that and tries to pretend none of that happened, and his only mistake was "hiring the wrong people".
I love how Logan's threatening to sue Coffee but not, you know, the people on his team that "stole" from him
The person who stole is back in Sweden or something
I create entertaining videos also😎
We should cancel people who sue other people.
@@ChickenYale sue-ing is to defend the victim bruh
Logan Paul avoided answering questions about the rugpull, because he's guilty as all hell👿Logan should burn in jail, for his crimes.
Coffeezilla: The employee we spoke with, we'll simply call him Z, so we don't completely dox him
Logal Paul: Well Jokes on you, I hired a criminal and allow me to dox him
Back here after his latest apology video. Anyone who believes that he’s genuinely sorry needs to watch this video. What a narcissistic phoney who sadly won’t be cancelled.
It makes me so happy that this Charles video has more views than Logan’s actual response. More people waited for Charlie to make a video on Logan, than they actually waited for Logan.😭
Who even watches Logan lmao
I think Logan took down the video too😂
@@SurgeHimself not yet haha I just saw it up there
@@DubYuhGChoppa I can’t find it
@@SurgeHimself just look up Logan Paul and click his first video like what do you mean you can't find it.
i cant even imagine how tired judges have to be of youtubers taking each other to court over "he hurt my feelings bro"
I'm betting that Coffeezilla ran his story by a lawyer before posting. If Logan chooses to sue him, he's only going to out himself further and deeper as a scammer, he could end up with criminal charges because this "game" is apparently not up and running and penguin didn't show the very end where Logan Paul has the dates 2023/2024 as if it's still to come. People have lost millions, a judge could rule that Logan Paul pay them all back. I'm going to say Logan threw out an empty threat because he knows he owes people money and he might have intentionally hired scammers, because he is one, birds of the feather.
To be fair, there's a bit more than feelings involved in this.
talking about something bad that another youtuber has done is basically just begging for a frivolous suit at this point
@@JoakimLarsson-by8qv yah, there are felonies occurring also
@@nordicgirl1677 Like you said, im almost 100% sure Logan also ran this video by a lawyer
I really love the part where logan provided facts and sources to back his claims. My second favorite part is where he showed remorse for the victims and gave accountability!
If you having a hard time finding the evidence, sources, remorse, and accountability so I'll provide a time stamp: 40:00 Hope this helps!
Seriously bro, what logan paul said ‘It’s pauling time’ and pauled every, I fell out of my chair.
it's interesting that he wasn't aware of the background of Eddy Ibanez before the investigation, while there were information available just by googling his name, but somehow, was aware of the developer's criminal record, which has been cleared, and records deleted from public access. He seems to be the only one who knew about this guy's past
Logan: Has a fear of getting canceled
Also Logan: Destroys his image twice in half a decade
@aola wili Even Logan Paul’s brother hasn’t stood up for him*
Only twice? I was sure he did at least 4 times!
The sad thing is the people still give him praise and watch him.. the attention fans give him is a part of the issue
Dinkdoink was a Logan Paul rug pull. This isn’t his first crypto scam
@@ethanarchy2070has jake got into controversy on his own? I don’t remember hearing his controversy outside of him being groups up with Logan’s shenanigans? I wouldnt speak out as well, I think him doing his own thing is probably good for him. Logan seemed to me like the instigator?
I love the part where he apologises to the people who lost thousands to this scam
OH
WAIT
In fairness to Logan, he'd be admitted to fraud if he did that, and would most likely go to prison if the feds decided to pursue it. I'm sure his lawyers told him not to even make this video, but if he insisted, they probably told him not to admit guilt.
@@topspot4834 ohhh ok so classic logan saves his ass instead of doing what’s right, classic paul family behavior! not surprised
I love the part when he looks at the camera and says "it's lorging time," and proceeded to lorgs all over the audience
Xd
I can’t tell if Logan thinks we’re stupid or if he’s just so far gone that he doesn’t realize his wrongdoings 💀
I think it’s because he knows most of his followers are kids and they’ll accept any excuse from him or they just don’t care because they don’t want to stop watching his videos. If the Japan thing didn’t end his career, I don’t think this will. Even if he went to prison, his channel would be fine 😅
Logan Paul removed the video
Charlie called it. Coffee talked to Jeff first, and Logan legit blamed Jeff for talking to Coffee. Well done.
The number of like this comment gets matches Logan’s moms body count
When did he say that in the video
@@Erik-ox8es he said it when he watched coffee's 3 videos on stream
Narcissism at its finest
Logan is unreachable except through a talent manager like most (sudo) "celebrities" but gets mad coffee called the only avaliable person, his manager. Make it make sense Logan.
On the 5th anniversary of Logan’s Japanese forest incident he has now ended his redemption arc, we could have not asked for better writers this season
Damn it really has been like 5 years since that happened.
In my eyes he ended it the second he caused a financial bubble in the pokemon tcg scene.
There was no "redemption arc" he was always and always will be an egotistical nuisance who will do anything for views and a quick buck.
@@minifigamer9898I will always dislike Logan for what he did to the Pokémon market
💀
"you took a swing at my reputation". Bro what reputation?
Fr, everyone with half a brain shits on him like he's a toilet 😭
I'm an Eagles fan, and I remember almost everything about that Philadelphia Eagles 2017 team that won the SB. I remember crying my eyes out after they won. There was never a guy named Eddie Ibanez on the Eagles.
There's no way Logan is gonna unknowingly hire a career criminal in the very things that would suggest you shouldn't work with that guy.
GO BIRDS 🦅
if coffee gets sued I really hope the internet bands together again and help him fund any costs for a legal defense. this shit is absurd.
If the lawsuit goes through, even I’ll throw 50$ at the patreon, and I’m a broke college student
@Moji PSX lol
I would imagine some YT Lawyers out there may even offer to help pro bono tbh, but either way he'll probably have no problem getting money for a good lawyer
The video response logan paul made can be used by a first year law student to win coffeezilla the lawsuit XD
Avengers assemble against the bane of nfts, man what a way to start the year 👀
I genuinely can't believe there are still people out there defending Logan.
After Japan i learned This Man existence.
I can, I guarantee his fans didn't watch any of Coffeezilla's videos and took his word for it in this rebuttal
Some people are really fucking stupid
@@WisteriaBerlitz You gotta admit that Logan has a point about: Why did coffeezilla not discloses certain information and in doing such made it look like Logan was worse. Logan, as far as the evidence shows, is a victim. He clearly shows that several scammers all gathered around and screwed him over. Logan, on the other hand, has done nothing wrong. People 'invested' in the idea, and let's be honest here, anyone who invests in crypto in ANY form, or NFTs, IN ANY FORM, are basically just burning money. It has always been that way from the beginning.
@@NeoNaito this mf defending logan 😂😂😂😂
Logan chastising someone else for their "addiction to clicks" is the height of comedy.
“I’ll see you in court!”
Discovery is a thing my guy.
_"Why did I hire a criminal you ask? _*_Because I trusted the other criminal I hired to hire another criminal!"_*
Probably my favourite point of contention Logan brought up against himself.
*Dont_Read_My_Names!!* ........
This shi made my day 😂😂
"Did I hire a criminal who did 2 rug pulls? Yes I did, because my team didn't do their research properly and neither did I. But you also didn't do your research Coffee, you didn't know this guy already did 2 rug pulls like I did!"
It's like he's either extremely dumb and did much less research than he is accusing Coffee of not doing, or he knew about the criminals and said nothing so he could scam his audience. And the best part is he doesn't understand that with his own video these are the only two conclusions you can draw.
> Why did I hire a criminal you ask?
- I dunno!
- I did everything correct!
- I did nothing wrong!
he's spoiling us with the full DSP course here.
😂😂
Good thing you make these videos. Because they usually go back and delete these gems when they finally give up.
he did delete it 💀💀
"Its a really really fun game"
where you hatch generic stock images...
The greatest part to all of this. Logan is perfectly willing to spend literally MILLIONS in legal expenses to sue coffeezilla instead of simply just using that same money to refund the people who were caught up in his incompetence while selling a "Game" that was made by a team of scammers and con artists.
The greatest part is that his response is “well let me tell you why you are un creditable , if you did your research you would know that I hired a bunch of criminals, HA! Gotcha.”
Not millions, but a lot none to less
@@karrimgyver Fair. Probably not in legal fees but if he does go to court he will likely have no ground to stand on and will almost certainly loose any case and then have to pay for his own legal expenses and coffeezilla's. The point is he is a fake millionair Prick whose EGO is so big he can't see that at the end of the day this is his own fault. He also appears to surrounded himself with yes men who are too afraid to tell him the truth. The man makes an aproximated $35 million a year so he has the means to make this right and just doesn't want to.
Well ofcourse, because if he refunded the poor people he screwed over then he'd be admitting guilt. Logan isn't going to do that and so won't be paying anybody back unfortunately
@@karrimgyver It can be millions. There have been similar cases recently. Mark Wade being sued by Richard Myer for example. Wade called businesses in Texas to defame Myer to get them to not sell Myer's comic book. Myer sued Wade for defamation and got a $200,000 war chest in donations from his community to do it. Wade did everything he could do do stall, and cost more money to Myer. The $200,000 war chest dried up and eventually, Myer had to spend his own money to keep it going. 2 years later there was still nothing actually happening, so Myer was forced to settle with Wade.
It costs a lot of money to sue, and it costs a lot of money to defend when being sued. That's why a lot of content creators are bullied by false DMCA, which happens all the damn time. Sue and then stall. The side with the deeper pockets wins 99% of the time.
It's actually insane to accuse someone of character assassination when you've done well enough to assassinate your own character
That's what there's legal concepts like saying that someone is "defamation proof" ie their public reputation is so terrible that accusing them of jaywalking isn't an actionable offense
@@fluidthought42 😂 thats wild
Right! The minute he came into that ring in WWE with "The Miz" (another complete douche imo) it should have been the warning sign that he was not a likeable person at all
Logan: "Coffee, you took a shot at my reputation, [blink] I am going to defend myself with facts [blink][blink] which you have gotten in the habit of twisting[blink][blink][blink][blink][blink][blink][blink].
Yeah this guy is totally trustworthy.
The biggest joke for me was when Logan Paul started talking about his reputation. What does Logan Paul think his reputation IS at this point?
Fight score: 10-8, 10-8, 10-8 for the winner by unanimous decision...Coffeezilla!
Thank god everyone started doing youtube reacts. Now if you delete a video doesn't matter everyone can still see it :)
The part where he rips Coffee for not reaching out to him directly is so damn funny. That's literally what your manager is for, as if his manager didn't tell him about it, as if he didn't have every chance to call him back. What a joke.
Yeah that really had me rolling. The whole point of keeping a manager is so they don't directly interact with you. People literally go "talk to my manager lol" if you even try and I'm pretty fucking sure that's what Logan would've done to Coffee if he reached out to him before his manager without thinking too much into it. Now that his manager failed at damage control, he's going like "you could've reached out to me I thought we're bros here".
He's a fucking clown dude.
EDIT: Saw Coffee's tweet the other day where he debunked this claim, so now Logan's doubly clowned himself. *chef's kiss*
He's likely never been held accountable for anything in his life-hense the narcissistic backlash. Logan Paul litetally believes he can never be wrong.
the worst thing is that he did in fact reach out to him like year ago when there were but mere rumors about cryptozoo being a scam, and he didn't reply
@@thundertracker4510 yea I think about two times. Logan just ignored him, which resulted in coffee contacting his manager.
Edit: coffee reached out again for comments to Logan before he published each vid too I think. Also throughout this time coffee was blocked by clown boy on everything
@@drewjensen2798 def lmao. Look at his jap video 😂 and his brother. Both of them were raised entitled and narcissistic. Not surprised a narc started a scam 😂
My favorite part is when LP accuses Coffee of using scumbags for his sources but doesn't seem to realize that he in fact hired the scumbags.
Not a single of those hands were clean, save for those of the developers. Maybe... I wonder how difficult it was for them to realize that they were working on a scam.
@@gabrielpelletier5162 probably why its so shitty.
Oh he knows lol.. he was reading a teleprompter. It's just smoke n mirrors.
“How dare you use my criminals to incriminate me”
Or... that it changes logan owes this "scumbag" money...
I remember when Coffee started his channel, and I am so glad to see him take down scammers one after the other.
"We hired a felon to work on the project but you're sussy cause you kept him anonymous"
Imagine suing Coffee but not the criminals on your team lmaooooo
Right? I’m glad I wasn’t the only one thinking this, why even bother with coffee???
😂😂😂
But he's suing them too the legal process is ongoing that's why he can't disclose that information.Did u even watch the video?
@@saadsarwar8123 Did he say hes suing them or that a different higher power is investigating eddie?
@@SpeefBeef87 obviously because coffee dragged his name on the ground
its like he did a background check to make sure they actually do have a background
The fact that Logan tried to even accuse Coffee that he never reached out to him until recently WHEN HE HAD BLOCKED HIM ON TWITTER AND HIS MANAGER LEFT COFFEE ON READ SINCE OCTOBER is just mind boggling to me as to how ANYONE would even take this guy remotely seriously.
Was this addressed in the original investigation video?
I am just not sure if coffee included that
Plausible deniability is usually one of the last lines of defense for these people in these situations. Just play dumb and act like you had no knowledge then draw it out until you get taken to court
@@ekamsingh1640It was addressed in his videos
He literally said himself that coffee contacted HIS MANAGER. Like that isn't the most standard way of trying to contact a person like Logan. "Why don't you contact me?" cuz that's not how it works!!! your manager is supposed to help you manage your contacts, dealing with business enquiries or important issues like clarifying a serious allegation. Like how else shud i contact you? am I suppose to call you up via my phone?
He is just putting words out to stir everything up so his 8yo audience would believe.
@@ekamsingh1640 i do remember that somewhere in the video it stated that the research for this case started about a year ago, so one can assume that Coffee did tried to reach out way before December. But yea, its not pointed out in the video explicitly.
Also, this information was not important to the scam, knowing this information does not really change the narrative of this story, so I don't really see why it needs to added into the videos.
Logan Paul's response to a well-thought, deeply investigated three part series on his misgivings consisted of, "When he did contact me directly, I didn't respond, and when he contacted my manager, I didn't respond." This is followed by mud-slinging against specific bad actors in the crypto space, throwing his own criminal goons under the bus, and not taking accountability for anything, finally ending it by taunting us with yet another grift and threatening legal action against Coffeezilla.
It's severe. It's continuous. It's a lapse in judgement that I dont expect to ever be forgiven. I hope Coffee owns this clown in court.
I won't be happy untill he is fired from the wwe
Hey Logan, coffee will be more than happy to handle this in the boxing ring.
@@Thecultofwrestling Honestly its like he forgets he works for them. He's used to being his own boss and doing whatever but this kind of stuff will get him noticed by WWE in the worst way.
my farts are better than Charlie’s farts.
It’s like Coffee was playing chess and was already multiple moves ahead but probably didn’t anticipate Logan just giving up his king so willingly.
He actually deleted his video and that is probably the biggest proof that everything Coffee said was true
recording thing could go either way. depends on the state the recorder was in at the time. some states have one party consent laws, where only one party needs to consent to recording. i feel like most people know recording phone calls has legal ramifications so i have sincere doubts coffeezilla would have illegally recorded a phone call and then used it in a video without having something in his pocket, like being in a one party consent state or something. i don't think hes dumb enough to get caught on that.
He had permission from Jeff to record a portion and that's what he did
Coffeezilla is in Texas, a one party consent state.
@@myrixica4222 ayyyyy hole in one
Complaining that he should have approached him directly, when he goes to great effort to be unaccessible, instead of his manager, is like complaining that someone should have gone to your house, in a private, gated community, instead of calling you on the phone.
What rubbish manager does he have if he didn't let him know coffezilla wanted to contact him? Just what is Logan complaining about here? He's a victim of everyone he has around him? "I'm with stupid" t-shirt comes to mind.
Being mad that he called you on the phone that your butler answers for you. Then requesting to talk to you but you told your butler you weren't talking to him and to take a message.
Logan's team of employees should quit their jobs and not pretend nothing has happened nor changed.
Why work with someone who is def delirious loony minded seeking for attention.
Logan Paul is always hoax himself and can't admit his errors; instead he's being part of the hype crowdfunding like NFTs
If Coffeezilla had contacted him, and not also his manager, Logan's line would have been: 'You tried to rudely confront me in DMs. I get thousands of messages a day from people I don't know. What you should have done is contact my manager, if you were truly a professional acting in good faith.'
@@Noodles.Doodles Funny part is that Coffee actually tried to contact him lmao. In 2021 he messaged not only Logan's manager asking to talk to Logan but he also sent a message through instagram but Logan never responded
I'm honestly just impressed that a Paul brother could put such coherent sentences together
I’m sure the lines were written for him
Someone clearly wrote this script for him lmao and even then they had trouble actually finding any solid evidence so they used words that aren't frequently used to tame the masses 😂😂😂
He was reading off a teleprompter
because he has ghost writers. these are not his words, he just hires people to write things /for/ him.
He's reading a script lol
17:26 Logan doing his I'm sorry I recorded a dead body face
Recording is not illegal if the defendant is one of the parties in the conversation. Reference Depp vs. Heard.
Suing Coffeezilla is an insane reaction. If he really wanted to take no responsibility he could have just pretended he had no idea he hired criminals and sue those people to save face.
Right? Play it off like you didn’t know that and Coffeezilla was doing you a favor.
Suing coffeezilla would mean a certain loss
Logan is in the wrong. Cryptozoo IS a scam so logan would not only lose the case, he would also get investigated by the actual court for scamming
Also great way to encourage a countersuit for Logan's actual slander against Coffeezilla in this video
@@bendy514 OP means Logan should pretend he didn't know the others involved in his scam were criminals, blame them and sue them.
@@bendy514 I mean, technically its not a scam. And that is the only claim Logan has. Before that, he would need to have an actual release date set for his game.
Doesnt mean Logan would win tho, because the evidence that was available pointed heavily to the conclusion that Coffeezilla made.
If Logan truly wants a chance at winning a lawsuit against Coffeezilla, he would need to sue the criminal developers who were acting with malicious intent. Which, by the way, hiring people who have a felony isnt the same as hiring criminals, so that sueing might also not work as Zach Kelling has not been doing any criminal activities after he served justice.
So not only would Logan need to prove that all his fired teammembers were working with malicious intent, he would also need to finish the game in a way where its not scamming any people directly and would be promoted that people can lose money(as its essentially Lootbox the Game). And that is going to be incredibly tough to do.
Logan has adopted the 'Bankman-Fried defense': "I'm not a fraud. I'm just stupid and incompetent - so trust me"
"im dumb like patrick star and he never had consequences so neither should i" the bankman-fried strat in a nutshell
so true
fr he musta thought he could use it and get away , missing the part where it didnt work for sbf either
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ll fight him
It’s weird how different Charlie’s twitch chat is compared to the TH-cam comments.
The "He didn't sell so it's not a scam" take is so smooth brained. I bet that the favorite toothpaste brand of people using the take to defend Logan is Kiwi boot polish.
He promised a product with certain marketed features. He failed to deliver said product with said marketed features. He used deceptive marketing, and said deceptive marketing directly caused people to invest and lose money. Just because he didn't make money off of it doesn't exempt it from being a scam.
And the other people on the team sold anyway. So by his logic, everyone on the team has to steal money for it to be a scam. This is the kind of guy that instructions for shampoo exist for.
The fact he even uploaded this video on the 5th anniversary of his first apology is just crazy.
I don’t think that was his first apology. That was his first ‘dead person’ apology.
@@phoenixgirl70 i mean it was his first massive controversy that could have ruined his career
@@aoki6332 Should* have ruined his career. But his fans are bigger idiots than he is.
Wait it's been 5 years? God damn.
@@aoki6332 will*
This is why lawyers always tell their clients to shut up.
YES!
Which is why I don't believe he has a lawyer. And if he does, the lawyer isn't doing their job of explaining to Logan, the client, of why he shouldn't make a video response until after court proceedings.
@@lazer2521 He could have a lawyer but isn’t following advice or wasn’t given it yet. Look at Alex Jones for example, he was likely advised to shut up but couldn’t help himself from continuing to talk about the lawsuit on his show while the lawsuit was still happening and they used that episode in court. His ego got in the way of following the advice of his lawyers. We all know about Logan’s ego.
@@sardonisms I would be surprised if someone with that much money and audience size didn’t have a lawyer(s). I’m not sure if the situation would warrant a lawyer to leave. It’s important to wait and see how this develops. When it comes to Texas law which Charlie mentioned, I don’t think that matters as it’s possible for him to just go jurisdiction shopping. Even if there aren’t any legal merits for a lawsuit, he could still sue for the sake of publicity and to cost Steven a lot of money and stress. If I were Logan, I wouldn’t sue because that would given Steven the right to request documents through discovery providing more evidence to him about CryptoZoo and the schemes.
I fuckin love Charlie at 21:00. Getting understandably frustrated and still taking the time to break down what a scam is. 😂
As for the recorded phone call, it all depends on the states involved. Many only require one party be informed about being recorded.
I really appreciate how the TH-cam community sticks together against known evils.
Idk they also tend to witch hunt people over nothing or wrong person etc.
If Logan Paul were a smaller creator and more likable you would, most likely, not be saying that
they just making views bro
@@jackderaway projared be like:
Stick together? His channel is still one of the biggest. I wouldn't consider the TH-cam community sticking together unless they were actually ignoring the channel of an obvious DB.
I like how Logan called Steven untruthful but later on used the same proof Steven used to prove Eddie was a corrupt conman.
Yes that's what was extensively talked abot
Eddie? Sorry not up on everything
@@Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001 Watch the three part series lulz
@@Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001 he's the original developer for the "game" Logan was building
@@PrinceVegeta2134567 Thank ya
watching this back 10:29 you can LITERALLY see that coffeezilla said "this is my 3rd time reaching out"
"you successfully used my name for views and money" - the guy who used a suicide victim in him thumbnail
Logan: You should have contacted me directly
Coffeezilla: I did, you didn't respond
Logan: You expect ME to read every DM?
*Dont_Read_My_Names!!* ........
🤣
Coffeezilla: No, that's why I contacted yor manager.
Logan: You should have contacted me directly
Coffeezilla: I spoke to your manager too - he spoke in riddles
@@kielo88 Coffeezilla: I did, but u blocked me.
Logan: Then contact my manager
Coffeezilla: ...
“I hope you save up enough money for a good lawyer”
Meanwhile Stephen’s been openly talking about paying for liability insurance for years in case someone he covered decided to try suing him into the ground
the Lex Fridman podcast really gave great insight on how Stephen is taking his career in TH-cam as a journalist seriously.
Would be curious if the insurance company could then turn around and sue for costs if there was ever a slap suit.
Im not american but im pretty sure its illegal to sue your client for the price of a service that was already payed for
@@coffeejn why the fuck would a Insurance company you paid for sue you
Edit: I'm so dumb he meant for Logan not coffee lol
@@intxngibility6011 It would be a counter lawsuit against Paul for essentially wasting everyone's time and money on nothing
Who knows maybe he's going to hire jigsaw next.
It was hard not to laugh at this, especially when Logan was mad about the fact that Coffee "Didn't reach out to him" and talked to his manager instead when in Coffee's video he showed that Logan had him blocked on his social media XD
What is even the point of having a manager if Logan expects everything to go directly to him? Surely that is what a manager is there for.
I also like how Logan's proof of Coffee's "first time reaching out" has the title "3rd request for comment..." at the top, implying that was not the first time he's attempted reaching out to Logan.
He can't even keep his narrative consistent in his own accusation, goddamn.
I am confused. Is either Coffe or Logan's manager in California or was present ( to anyone's knowledge) in California at the time of the phone call? Because if not by the evidence shown by Logan himself he has no argument to claim an "invasion of privacy" lol. Also we don't know ( at least from our side) if Coffe started the conversation with the manager that he was recording for legal reasons or not.
@@TheCommanderTaco Coffee lives in Texas; Jeff was presumably in California (although who knows?).
Coffee tried reaching out to Logan multiple times.
Logan: Aha! NFT's are just JPEGs, I hired a team of criminals & scam artists
Coffeezilla: Err... I agree?
🤣
Logan fans: omg coffeezilla is a fraud for views
Smh Paul, can't even structure a defensive argument.
“Hand made art” for a “really fun game” 😂
Good i live in a country where you cant sue someone randomly
Anyone else think it’s funny that we’re watching someone watch someone, who’s watching someone, who’s watching the second guy.
This dude formed the crypto legion of doom and wants us to believe he didn't do it on purpose 🤣🤣🤣
Clearly he just "coincidentally" hired a bunch of scammers.
Doesn't it sound like SBF?
"Meanwhile.. at the cryto legion of doom"
The number of like this comment gets matches Logan’s moms body count
Oops I somehow accidentally managed to scam people out of thousands of dollars for poorly made stock images of animals 😂
Logan is perfect proof that you if you're charismatic, rich, and handsome enough you can literally get away with some the most heinous actions known to man and face almost zero consequences for them.
Rich? Okay, handsome and charismatic? That’s your opinion 💀
Handsome where did you not see him without a beard. And he’s balding… it doesn’t take much to gain the trust of Fortnite kids who grew up with iPads.
I was joking on the other video about how being handsome makes him so trustworthy
Ok, rich and handsome is understandable (maybe in that handsome part cuz…eh.), but he is in no way charismatic. He and everyone he touches is dumb as bricks and not in the funny way.
@@meanieeheart4236 he's indeed charismatic to certain group of his supporters. It's difficult to speak bullshit in such a confident way day in day out. That's charismatic imo.
The recording the phone call was NOT illegal due to 1-party consent laws in Texas.
Phone calls can be recorded with the knowledge of just ONE of the parties on recorded call.
4:08 this is slander, in theory this could have damaged coffee's reputation as he could be seen as a bad detective, there is no evidence for this claim, so ironically enough Coffee could sue Logan
Its funny someone with a horrible reputation trying to ruin someone else's reputation
The "why did you talk to my manager and not me?" thing is completely insane. He gets in touch with his manager, asks to talk to Logan, Logan doesn't respond, and then goes for "why didn't you reach out to me instead?", when he's actually blocked him on Twitter? WTF?
Logan paul logic
That's what I was thinking 😂
Logan is not a clown, he's the whole circus 🤦
Coffeezilla: Detailed 3 part series with a ton of receipts.
Logan: Takes a steaming shit on the floor and leaves with no explanation.
Logan is chad , coffeezilla L
😂😂😂
@@truthtalker_ lmaoooo nice joke
Shidded and farded
@@truthtalker_ found the 12 year old
When the guy said "no its just a picture" he wasn't even referring to the NFT itself, he was referring to the egg as being just a picture that did not fuction as a hatching device. Because Steven had said
"So you cant even hatch?"
"No it (the egg) is just a picture"
this response can be summarised in two words "nuh uh"