I often get asked what KTM can do to fix the gap between what the 390 Adventure does and what we expect it to do. First, the SW suggests that the ideal 390 Adventure would split into two parts. One that does touring really well and another that does off-road really well. Sort of how the Rally Kit turns the Xpulse 200 from a casually good off-roader to an excellent, far more serious off-road machine. Why it cannot be done with this generation of the Adventure is mostly to with the frame itself (which is why I keep saying 2025, the model change is a crucial milestone for this motorcycle). We need more suspension travel and more ground clearance to make this as much of an off-roader as the 790 or 890 Adventures. Maybe even a 21" front wheeled model! If you sacrifice the idea of off-roading, then the bones of a good tourer are actually in the 390 Adventure. I'd be fine with the 19" front wheel -it has the utility of handling bad roads and flatter trails better. But what you really need is suspension that allows the 390 Adventure to settle down and do _a lot more_ than the 390 Duke or equivalent on Indian roads (implying a mix of surfaced but bumpy roads). This is what I think the adjustable suspension, had it been standard from the beginning, offered riders. And now, the SW's spoked wheels to me, are a far smaller utility than the adjustable suspension. And the more I rode the SW, the more I concluded that the standard 390 A should _not_ have anything but adjustable suspension today.
I was hoping to buy 390 Adv This Year But After Watching whole Video, i concluded that It doesn't Meet My kind of Needs in An Adv . Maybe I will Hold Out Till Summer Next Year . To see what other kinds Of Adv Motorcycles India Gets And Get Batter Sense Which One Will Meet My needs 😁
what separates your channel from the rest is you really make us try to understand the machine, not just review the performance. This opens up new perspectives for us. Thank you both
Shumi, I rented a KTM 390 for the spiti circuit, rode like a maniac... and I loved it. Especially coming from a Tiger 800 at home, I loved the light weight nimbleness. It is still a very good bike and can be recommended to most of the riders (tourers.). I liked your analysis on the seat height/suspension/frame. You have not gone overboard like the most other reviewers, who just give gospel. You have actually backed your views with analysis. On more suggestion, in Motoinc videos (except this one), your presentation style changed... I personally miss your earlier involved analysis... may be change of style is not needed
Absolutely in love with your channel. Hearing the two of you speak is nothing short of therapy. And the questions that form in my mind, 20 seconds later, the exact same questions are dealt with, it’s almost like the both of you are in tune with what the viewer wants to know, in advance. Keep up the good work! Love from Kolhapur, Maharashtra.
Grateful for tackling the most pertinent Q&A session on 390 ADV. You guys have saved 60k+ to most prospective owners including me ❤ as aforementioned listening to both of you is just so sweet and therapeutic. Love from New Delhi to you both and the team behind the scenes :)
Came back frustrated with the traffic in Lonavala. Your videos made me cheer up a bit! Eagerly waiting for the next gen duke. Killing it with the aesthetics! The background and costume ❤.
I got my 390 ADV last year. Been having a hoot on our roads with it cuz of the engine , the longer- than-Duke suspension travel and the accomodating seats. It's comfortable enough (even 2 up, provided the pillion isn't overweight) on long rides and is engaging on the twisties and more than capable of mild off roading. It fits my requirements pretty well. The only thing I wish was different was my 5 foot 6 height and the exhaust note. It might not be the best at any one thing but for someone who enjoys more than one type of riding and doesn't have the budget for 4 different bikes (for cities, canyons, highways and off road), the 390 ADV is a great pick in my opinion.
This used to be a dream machine for me because of 3 reasons, I can tour, It's cheap to maintain, It was reasonable comfortable for luggage and pillion! But life changed - pillion went out of the picture. Suddenly - 4.2Lacs on road started to look steep, (middle class boy troubles). Got something really reasonable as a Used Vstrom 250 and I am very happy with the new found ability of it to really tour. It fits my single bike garage perfectly. It takes me to office - takes me to weekend twisties - takes me out on highways at reasonable 90-100 KMPH (did a 1700Km ride recently to understand that bike well and I was impressed AF). Moral of the story- wanted to wait for Himalayan 450 but that is a long way away and I think it'll also take a while for RE to sort out its niggles from the first batch. So maybe another 2 years until I buy another machine, until then my recently acquired 250SX should serve me well. Btw shumi's advice on used machines and vstrom videos helped me a lot.
I recently purchased the standard 390 ADV in March 2023 and completed a ride from Mumbai to Leh and back ( With pillion and luggage). The suspension in the initial days felt uncomfortable compared to Himalayan and GS310 but once I got used to it along with the right preload setting, The suspension doesn’t feel like a bother anymore and once you are past that, The package that this KTM offers with the space in the saddle for two, The luggage carrying capacity, The features, The power, The ease of servicing it anywhere in India at a cheap cost start to grow on you. At this point, This is the only worthwhile upgrade for a person who has owned a 200cc bike for last 6 years. Speaking of upcoming competition, Looking at how the current Himalayan and other 350cc models are being priced, I don’t think Royal Enfield will be able to significantly undercut this KTM in price and I don’t think it will match the engine performance of the 390 because then it will be precariously close to the 650cc engines output and I wouldn’t do that if I were RE. I am just waiting for these bikes to launch and the fun to begin( with the comparos)!
Hello Suraj! Congratulations on your bike and ride! We hope the RE creates a better experience - not just a better VFM equation. That will be exciting!
@@motorinc Do you think I should talk to the service centre and get the adjustable suspension for my bike provided I recently bought the bike (March 2023) and 5 years of warranty is still left on the bike
Apart from everything else worth loving in this video (the content being top bins only as always), let me take this moment to appreciate the aesthetics. Love the couches. Love their attire. Production value is as high as it gets.
That being said, (and this comes from a place of deepest love) I feel the background wall can be done a smidge better maybe. Its good now, but I think it could've been done better (but hey that's just my opinion). Specifically I feel the pastel white and pale blue: instead of this a plain dark wall with a better visible logo might've looked a tad bit better (even though I understand that a plain wall wouldn't have as much personality as the current one)
So we did try plain walls but it didn’t work for us and we haven’t gone back to that. Thanks for the feedback though, Daksh. Super good to have people like you watch our work!
My 2013 Duke with the change in both wheels and adjustable front suspension and rear is now an even better treat to ride and it has the Gen 1 390 engine which is just something else compared to the recent ones! So yes, retrofitting is the way to go! Thank you for putting it out there.
For a motor head like me your channel is like a goldmine. I can binge watch your videos all day long. Love your unconventional long detailed analysis. You guys are going to rule the motor review world pretty soon. Cheers
Some really valid points raised by you guys here, this is slowly changing my perspective towards 390Adv. Thanks for putting it out there the way you guys have. I guess stepping back a bit thinking about the points and maybe waiting for a bit more longer to see what more options do we get in next 2 years time will be more bang for the buck. Keep up the good work guys, really appreciate your efforts towards a quality dialogue on automobiles \m/
i upgraded from re himalayan to adventure 390x and for me this solves all the major issues that i had with RE. i really like this bike and i go very light off roading. city and highway mainly.
Let me start by stating my biases: I own one of these (2022), I have ridden it hard across Ladakh (2500 km in 14 days - In on and off-road conditions and rode up a 18K ft mountain without a road with not even a puncture), I am the 20% that uses it for 'what its made for', and I love the damn thing. Now to my thoughts, (1) for a set of folks (MI) who keep saying don't look at the specs but ride it for yourself), I found it strange this video kept emphasising a comparison to bikes that don't exist in the Indian market, I get the KTM ADV DNA is not there but its no dud. (2) Ride the bike and see what a lot of fun it is, if the likes of an Ouseph Chacko (5.7-5.8) or his ilk can get stuff out of this machine I would think the rest of us have a lot to learn and squeeze as much if not more out of this machine. I am 5.8, its a tall bike, just learn how to ride a tall bike, trust me its a better thing to do than be afraid, and you'll be a better rider for it. (3) The ground clearance is 200MM vs a 220 on most standard ADVs (that's 2 cm) (can't imagine a situation on road where this is meaningful and in an off road situation I would say learn to jump the bike or wheelie in a slow speed safely, you'll be infinitely better as a rider and look cooler to boot. (4) KTMs are horribly stally at low gears, frantic and vibey at high speeds, that's what you are buying, its not a welcoming bike but its fun and for some types of personalities it is the bike that'll keep you honest for a long time (by honest I mean you need to be focussed and skill up continuously on various fronts, get classes from an off road school- it'll really help, I have and its such a thrill to be able to control a unruly machine) (5) There are no perfect bikes and all assessments are subjective (the two reviewers have never spared an opportunity to remind us of that even though this episode didn't give the model much love). However, at the price, given its weight, true capability (this is a function of you and the bike) and low cost of repairs and replacements its a great (all-round) gateway drug and I rate this higher than the Duke in that. Would I have liked the SW and Adjustable suspension on my bike, for sure. Do I feel like shit about that, for sure. Will I get the upgrade, I sure will! That said. Cheers to MotorInc, keep the weird ASMR-y chats going. Ride safe and ride hard, Peace!
I always get hit upon by my rider buddies how I made a mistake getting the regular 390 instead of the adventure. But having ridden both of them, I knew I made the right choice bcz the 390 is also a phenomenal tourer if not better and feels at home in the twisties which is much more usable in the city too. Dont see any reason to get the adv over the regular 390 apart from mild off road capabilities
This video was like having a normal conversation with fellow riders so easy to understand , relate lot of info shared just so transparent , no polished gyaan. Just upto the point and everything that was told is in the head so clear.. 😊❤
I was initially waiting for Hero and Royal enfield to come out with their 400 CC machines but I just got tired of waiting. I am so glad I bought the 390 adventure X and saved the 60k. My main motive is to tour on this motorcycle (sometimes with a pillion) and not do any off-roading until and unless absolutely necessary. Being a 6' tall guy I have no problem with the seat height, but the main issue I have is the vibrations. I even changed the horribly shaped mirrors to husqvarna's but they still vibrate so much so that I just need to turn my head to check behind me. Other than that, really happy with the purchase. Coming from avenger 220, this 390 engine is just something else.
I also got a ADV X recently. After first service the vibrations have settled down to an extent. The bike does not like to go slow. I felt the engine smoothens out a little bit when revs climb. Overall I feel it is a vibey engine. The power is something. The first time I gave it full throttle, I was in 3rd or 4th mid revs. I was almost knocked back and came close to falling off the bike. I was not expecting such a sudden strong pull. I am coming from a Svartpilen. The 390s character is very different from the 250s. It does not feel sane or sensible. Makes me wonder how much of a hooligan the first gen duke 390 must have been.
Buy the bike - Not because it is the best bike out there in the segment : But because it’s the best for you right now !! My only requirement (when I was doing the bike hunt) was to 1. Tour (700-800kms a day) 2. Pillion comfort ( I ride with pillion all the time ) 3. Spacious ( Can carry all sort of luggage : Tailbag + Saddle + Tank Bag) In 2022 , there weren’t many options out there.. took the risk & went with this 390 adv Best decision ever 🙌 Bottom line : with almost 400kgs on board .. it cruised smoothly at 110-120kmph giving 30kmpl at still enough juice left to reach 130-135 for over takes If that’s not cool.. not sure what is.. P.S no hate to Shumi & Karthikeya.. I love you guys..
1. We need a detailed video for the preparations that needs to be done for the upcoming monsoon season. 2. How to choose a motorcycle by test driving and what to look and what not to look in the test drive and decide based on the short test drive we get normally
1. Just lube the chain properly and more often. And wash it down every other weekend. That's all. As long as you tyres are in decent shape you'll be fine. 2. th-cam.com/video/6u1EV9beVAI/w-d-xo.html
I love the 390 series. Especially after ktm released the 390 adventure x. It has great cruising speed for Indian highways, more than enough top speed, I like minimum electronics, basic abs is enough for me, tubeless tyres are advantage. It's a good touring bike, lighter, better mileage compared to big bikes.
I bought the rally variant of the 390 adventure and riding it has been an absolute pleasure. The power, the suspension its all worth it. I would prefer it over the g310gs and the Himalayan over and over again
Wonderful content. I personally own a X version n the whole idea of getting this version coz I don't want to waste time in adjustments n settings. Roads conditions change n having a average setting that works evenly is what x offers. The motor is tuned to suit Adv riding demands. I don't know to what extreme it can go for now it is doing flawlessly what I want it to. No TC keeps the riding experience Organic
I think for KTM it was more of a move to be in the people's attention since the 2024 390 has already leaked over the internet, so why would people buy the base 390 and not wait for few months. Was inch closer to buy the adventure x, but shifted to interceptor 650 due to the much better parallel twin and its refinement. Anyway, thanks for the great review.
No manufacturer can move that kind of quickly Anshul. It's simply not possible to turn around and sell models, even variants, in reaction to things at a few months notice
Buy an X, Shed the warranty. Upgrade the rear suspension to xpulse's. yes, its exact fit. Remove the fork oil, fill lower weight than stock oil, thats it. This great package will not cost more than 3.5 lacs. Or wait for xpulse 400. No RE's please.
Here's me wishing Shumi and Kartikeya a very Happy Guru Purnima. Guys who we look up to for any advise related to motorcycle and car (more into motorcycles personally). Keep sharing your knowledge through various podcasts and sessions. Sorry for wishing early as it's almost close to midnight here in Atlanta Georgia. Hoping to bump into you guys when you are here or if I am in India, on a track day session in Chennai 😅.
What you pay vs what you get , KTM is still the best out there. 390 adv creams all other bikes in the segment and does it with a yawning gap. Ofcourse everyone of us wants the best of all worlds , but lets get real for a moment. We are not spoilt for choices when the 390 adv is around. Lets see what we got in the price range . 1. 310 Gs : slow comfortable expensive ride. 2. Himalayan : slow comfortable offroad unreliable ride. 3. Jawa : yet to be proven on many parameters. 4. Xpulse : a great second bike. Point is 390 adv is the best money can buy if you are upto it. And they just made it better by offering umpteen options. Treat it like an android phone if you will, change it for what you want. The only bike that can be all. Period !
I also had the same opinion on the quick shifter in my 390 Adventure, it never worked smoothly in my initial days of ownership. When it worked, it worked like magic, and when it doesn't, I felt it was ruining the whole mood. Infact, I turned the QS option off in my bike for months. But later a thought came, as I had paid for the whole package and somehow I have to figure this out. 😂 With constant practice and experiments, I got that sweet spot where it would work smoothand now I'm happy with the QS. The spark cut off is only for a split second when the contact comes to shift lever and we have to shift through the same time. Its working for me in all the gears up and down, only thing is we have to maintain the RPM between 4-5s. The QS works like charm for me now and I use the clutch only for b2b traffic. I guess it will work for everyone once we start to live with it and figure it out on how to find that sweet spot to shift. I'm one of the those users who does mid level off road and uses it mainly for touring, so the tube tyres in SW is a bit concerning. Hope KTM will bring an option to choose the parts to be replaced than getting a new model from them. Great insights as usual!
I agree with your point. I too have the 390 adv and love to tour on it for hundreds of kms at a stretch. the QS will become really smooth once you are adjusted to using that.
Shumi Sir, I have already booked SW version, and this wont change my mind. 😅 Because of the below points already discussed by you guys 1- Thinking it for > 10yrs 2- Correct break-in and servicing 3- The suspension 4- If puncture issues I'll buy the alloy wheel spares. 5- Run on stock untill I get a feedback from myself that things(not bike) needs upgradation 😉
Update: Watched the video 10th time,... And spoke with the local dealer for adv-x and adjustable suspensiom and he said yes. So it's Adv-x with Adj Sus. 😮
Okay, let me pit things into perspective. The last time I rode a motorcycle was 30 years ago and it was the original Boss - the Suzuki Shogun. I'm not in the market anytime soon for a motorcycle, although to be completely transparent I did come close to pulling the trigger on a Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro but that's another story. I did see the 390 Adventure last year for my kid brother back in India, and I was really keen that he gets one, but....I'm here because I love both of these guys who love and breathe motorcycles. I love their content and the conversational style, crisp format. This video has really cleared whatever doubts I had in my mind about the 390 Adv. I think I'm going to tell my brother to wait until 2025. Absolutely amazing video, guys. Keep up the good work!!
I test rode the 390 ADV a few days back and my opinion if it still remains unchanged as the one from a year back. It feels like its going to do touring and off-roading really well. But all that fades away the moment you start riding it. 😅 Will be very interesting what the RE Himalayan and Hero have in store.
same. test rode it and all my built up excitement of the 390adv fell flat. suspension was no where near the xpulse200 and the low end grunt was so bad that I could clearly see the bike sitting idle at home as I'd prefer to take the car or cycle for anything other than tours. I guess it's wait and watch mode, wouldn't mind an xpulse400 with better cruisability or a much lighter and faster Himalayan.
I don't have the money to buy 390 adv I already have allmighty xpulse 4v and no plan to buy any bike in near 2 to 3 year but still watched full video thats what I called is engagement
I rode the 390x from Bangalore to Yelagiri with my partner as pillion. Covering approx 400km. The takeaway is the rear seat. It is substantially spacious and has room to reposition oneself while on a long stretch. Comfort felt supreme. Myself as a rider, I thoroughly enjoyed the response of the motor without the intervention of electronics. Be it the highway, the sactuary, the twisties while climbing uphill, it never felt stressed especially with a pillion. The bike has a lot of presence on road. Despite the size of it, the bike is surprisingly Nimble through traffic and corners. Yes it allowed me to corner pretty hard😮. Ever since, I've considered it to be my potential upgrade for touring purpose. However, after Himalayan 450.... hearts are evolving
As an owner of the ADV 390 Standard variant, I must say that the TC was extremely intrusive at first, but for almost 3 Years of owning the 390. KTM has pumped out regular updates and has solved major issues with the bike, like the low bottom end torque, TC is not as intrusive, Riding modes, and the best part it, My ADV 390 has had a butter smooth QS from the start, and over the time with ECU updates the QS has only gotten smoother and slicker with both up and downshift to the point I forget that the clutch even exists, and after 26000+ kilometers of Touring+Off roads,+ commuting, the only major mod I've done is getting the adjustment rear suspension of the SW variant, other than that I've never been disappointed with the Adventure 390 ❤
I had watched this video when it premiered last year and listening to both of you, I had absolutely made up my mind that I’ll NEVER purchase a KTM Adv 390. Skip to Jan 2024, I gifted myself an Adv 390X for my birthday 😂 Honestly, you guys are right about everything you said - The suspension is stiff, the seat is ridiculously high, the low end torque is almost non-existent, lacks an Adv level suspension travel. But, I still chose the motorcycle because when I test rode I instantly connected with the character of the motorcycle - Flawed, yet charming ❤ The feeling of the engine settling down after all the huff & puff below 4000 rpm was so special that I can’t explain it 🤩 I’ve clocked 6,500 kms so far and not once did I feel I made a mistake by choosing this over the Scrambler 400X or the Himalayan 450 (that I test rode before the KTM ADV 390 X) Everytime I ride the motorcycle, whether it’s 3 kms to a nearby shop, 30 kms to office or even 600 kms to Goa, I am excited to rev the engine and feel the grunt. I revisited the video today, because it showed up once again as a recommendation in TH-cam and after watching it i was reminded what I wrote at the beginning of this comment 😊 I love watching MotorInc, please keep up the good work!
The KTM 390 ADV is amazing and extremely versatile. Understand that one needs to spend enough time with the bike to make a connection. I come from the Himalayan and this truly has been an upgrade for me. Yes, you'll need to unlearn a lot when you make this upgrade, whilst having a ton of fun. All the electronics are just icing. The Quickshifter+ works flawlessly, the suspension is perfect and the other electronics are just well calibrated. Once you make the connection, you'll feel all these aids working with you, and that way you'll be able to get from this bike than any other in the market currently. If you're contemplating, don't! Just get one.
I have a 390 ADV. Used for 2 months and my first KTM. 1. The QuickShifter+ works like a charm for me. I'm not sure why you say it's iffy. 2. I fully concur that the bike is a tourer and not a real off roader. I mean look at the stock Footpegs angle. It's canted forward, Ready To Race 3. I've done 400 km a day ride on Tarmac and I'm happy about what this bike can do on highways. And I'll keep it on the Highway.
Hullo Mr B! 1 - that's just it - its not consistent. It can be alright, but always isn't. Glad to hear yours is working well. 2 - great point! 3 - safe travels! Thanks for being here!
and i really love that u didnt post or try to sell by specs or anything.. u really want us to understand and feel the machine in our subconscious and want us to make peace with the product that hey this is what i felt and i will tell u the experience and u can decide whether can u see living with the machine or not? and its so crystal clear like an elder brother explaining stuff.. thank u so much karthik and shumi for creating this channel and keep up the good work!
I have a MY21 Adv390. In almost 2 years of my ownership, i have clocked 19,500km on it. I haven't taken it off road. It's an amazing Highway tourer. Also, the QS+ has worked great for me. Also, touchwood, 0 punctures so far with the tough as nails Metzelers. You really don't want a puncture on such heavy and tall motorcycle. Completely agree with Shumi on most aspects.
Hi Prasanna, hope you're well. Almost a month ago I tried to reach out to you both on olx where you posted an ad of 390 Adventure for sale and on WhatsApp but to no avail
@@Rohitjaen Hi, after about a day of posting the advt, I took it down and deleted the app as I wasn't really convinced to sell the motorcycle. Sorry to keep you hanging on Olx. Also, I don't remember any conversation on WhatsApp. 🤔
@@PrasannaJadiya28 I WhatsApp you but didn't get the reply back. In fact your ad. was there on OLX for at least few weeks and i was very keen on getting my hands on your bike particularly for 2 reasons. First the bike looked well maintained judging by the pics posted and the description below, secondly I had a hunch that you and your bike should be a good and fair deal 🤝 and i really liked the motoren lights being in the package and last but not the least i wanted to at least get in talks with you since you needed the proceedings for business investments. I went almost daily at olx msg window to check weather you reverted back but yeah whatever. It's all cool now 😎 I've 2 options with me ATM, I'll getting a new 390 Adventure X or a 2022 standard model clocked over 6000+. My inclination towards that used one is because I really like the dark Galvano black color the most out of 5 livery options currently on offer. Safe and happy riding. Cheers 🥂
Hey folks.. loved this video.. however, I feel you'll are being too harsh on the KTM adv 390.. I own it since last 3 years now. I am 5ft7inchs which means that the adv is a damn tall bike for me.. but it never made me uncomfortable.. thanks to its light weight and weight distribution. Other thing is that, I like how the ABS is calibrated.. it has saved me on a few occasions.. Also, the traction control works just fine.. nothing extraordinary but in gravely surfaces both on and off road.. it channels the power reasonably well. Yes the rear suspension in a punishment for my back.. and after watching this video.. I am planning to atleast get a adjustable shock at the rear.. Do note that I am not a hard core off roader.. I do mild off roading.. and long distance touring.. for which this bike brings a lot of value to the table.
You folks continue to to read my mind, every time, just want to thank you for covering each ride with all the practical, logical and passionate reviews. An avid rider and enthusiast myself, Big fan and very much relatable. 😊 Thank you Team! Sandy
Finally someone spoke about how an Adv x and the SW variant rides. Yes said it damn straight, the X is much more sharper and crisp while riding than the SW variant. I certainly doubt the reliability of the spoke wheels put together. I am quite happy with my Adv x. Got some money to put on some Accesories on my bike and buy me some adventure gears as well. There is no such actual use of traction control orquick shifter in an ADV or the TFT screen as such. I would have been really happy if cornering ABS was there in the adv X but it is quite manageable to be honest. It all really matters on who rides the motorcycle. Anyways happy to see guys come out of your own together. Good luck for your future adventures, and I hope to see you guys anytime if possible. Cheers.😁
Upgrading from a Himalayan, the first thing I noticed was the bottom end. Changing the front sprocket with the Duke 250 15-tooth one makes it much better to ride. But the vibes in the footpegs and the weird suspension settings doesn’t feel right. So, now I have one more thing to fix my ADV 390, ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSIONS ! But I’ll wait for the new Himalayan 😍
Cutting throught the BS to get to what I as a consumer should do (depending on use case) is exactly why I love this channel. Was a fun watch end to end. Would have loved it more if they touched on the low end torque issues a bit along with suspension travel and ground clearance.
As you guys suggest, Let's say I buy 390 X which is 80k cheaper than SW. Add Adjustable Forks which is 35K. Labor costs 2-2.5k. Next, let's say I add metzeler tourance(front+back) which costs me 25-27k Approx. Now 390X is 20k cheaper than SW plus I have a set of MRF tires which I can resell for around 6-8k I guess. So 20-25k value!!! Now for this 20-25k less I lose riding modes, Quick Shifter, TC, Fancy TFT, KTM livery, and spoke wheels(If that suits my needs) on 390X. Plus the hassle of voiding my warranty on retrofitting the suspension since those are not kits. Let's say I meet with an accident, I asked the insurance guys, what If they don't pay for the bike on the grounds of f retro fitment As with if I buy 390 SW paying 20-25k extra, I get all the above stuff plus not voiding the warranty(peace of mind). Con here is Tube Tires. If I will mostly touring on highways, tube tires should not be a problem(majorly). One common concern is both bikes is no low seat height option. I still feel 390 SW is a good option instead of taking the retrofitting route. Peace of mind = invaluable
390 Duke is good although I am not a KTM fan but that 390cc engine in not good for a adventure bike. I like 390 adventure's design looks but that engine won't do justify it's character. Little advice sir ji there is audio quality problem in this episode, may be tweaked wrongly or there is issue while recording I am just guessing but there is a problem. You people are doing great contribution to motoring and I love your channel.
I took the plunge and bought a 390 adventure x. The dealer did say that I can upgrade the suspension by paying extra when the part becomes available. Fingers crossed.
KTM should have gone with TVS's BTO theme. Select the configuration and pay as per. That would have been very good option. Maybe not electronics but the hardware like Wheels, Suspension, Seat options could be possible. Maybe the TFT too.
I watched the discussion, and I must say, it's intriguing to see such diverse opinions about the KTM 390 Adventure. While some channels praise it, others criticize its features like the lack of adjustable suspension, seat height, and traction control. However, what really caught my attention was the comparison with the Honda CB500X and BMW 310 GS. It's surprising to see that the Honda, which comes at a significantly higher price, still lacks fully adjustable suspension, traction control, and spoke wheels, limiting its off-road capabilities. On the other hand, the BMW 310 GS also falls short in terms of advanced electronics and adjustable suspension. Given these points, I can't help but wonder if there's a fair balance in the reviews. It seems like the KTM 390 Adventure is being judged quite harshly for its base model features, while other bikes with similar limitations are still being praised. For the price range whatever they have given in electronics no brand is giving, these features are there in mid weigh adventure bikes. I'd love to hear from the reviewer about the criteria used for evaluating these bikes and why certain aspects are considered deal-breakers for the KTM but not for others. It's essential to provide a fair assessment to help riders make informed decisions. What do you all think about this comparison? Let's have a healthy discussion about these motorcycles and their strengths and weaknesses!
The whole point here is that both of them ( both the hosts ) make eerily accurate points with completely accurate and logical comments which actually make a lot of sense when you practically see it.
Why u guys do this again and again? Which is giving us the best content. Honestly, I love when u guys discuss and especially when in between the conversations you guys just tease the other bike brands😂😂. Loved it. Please continue making this channel as simple as guys are. Cheers.
I Would Rather Buy the DUKE 390, Put a Soft Luggege on the Rear seat & went on Tour & Overtake all These under 500cc Budget Adventures available in the Market.
I want a motorcycle for city commute & my priority is touring. Currently I use 2010 model Yamaha FZ-S for the above purpose and yes sometimes I do 1000 kms a day(17-20 hours) too. I want a bike with good(at least decent) suspension & riding comfort, but tank range and fair mileage is also not ignorable. I'm actually highly confused between V-Strom 250 and KTM Adventure 390X coz they both seem to be good enough at what they do. But I also like Honda CB300R (yes it's a completely different bike but I love it too). My height is 5'6" and I've test ridden all the above bikes.... Ktm is tall, Suzuki is 👍🏻+spacious and Honda is 👍🏻+lightest of the lot too. And yes, the content you guys provide is top notch. Respect to you guys from deep within ❤.
@@motorinc yes certainly I did. But it seems servicing is an issue, as sometimes we need to wait for spares too, though it's rare in cases, but after sales experience isn't as good compared to others 🙂
I remember the power drift review you did where you mentioned that what this bike needs is adjustable suspension well now it gets it but with spoke wheels
Get a used ADV 390 at half the price and retrofit the adjustable suspension or if you have a Duke 390 then install a set of GS 310 suspension front and back along with the ADV 390 handlebar with adv clutch cable (don't recommend risers) and ADV 390 complete foot rest bracket with pegs (brings the foot position forward) which I do to my Duke everytime I'm out touring. Similar mods goes for bs6 duke 390 owners, also if you want to increase the ground clearance then install the bs4/bs3 exhaust system and then tune the ecu to correct the air fuel ratio. Wish the ADV did not have the coolant tank on the left side beside the cylinder otherwise the bs4/bs3 exhaust conversion would have increased its ground clearance by another 30-35mm which is robbed away by the stock bend pipe going underneath the cylinder.
To be very honest the adventure series by itself provide an excellent array of tourers, the power, the modern electronics, i have been a fan of this bike for the value it provides..... however what shumi is saying is true in the purest of senses.....the adventure 390 is not a hard-core off roader, it will go on rough terrain and patchy roads are not an issue at all, however on a proper off road trail one will require to be skillful to handle this bike, the primary issue being the high rev gear setup requires the rider to be extremely mindful of the rev status unlike the himalyan which is more forgiving.....over all for a person who is planning to tour and occasionally go on bad roads.....this is a proper value bike and the one important aspect of ktm that it will teach you to be a skillful rider
IMO, going for a standard or SW variant is a better choice. If the safety features save us in one crash it's more than worth than what we save on X model. I have ignored quick shifter feature completely while making this opinion.
Good morning Team MotorInc! I'm here for an advice. Currently own a CB350 and want a more tourable, easier to handle bike which can comfortably do 100-120 kmph all day. Must haves are: Neutral riding position for a 5 11' frame 75kg person with prolapsed discs 😊 Refined engine, need not be Honda smooth, but not interested in getting stuck somewhere far, often. Not too stiff a suspension Good service Rideable and heat managed in city traffic without too many gear changes, not melting your thighs like Triumph 400 Wet weight below 185kg Under 3.5 lakhs OTR 350 - 500 cc My dream machine was the Honda 500X but the pricing and parts unavailability scared me off. HD 440X looks interesting but after your reviews about the new KTM engine in the Duke, was thinking of waiting for Adv X with the same motor next year. Am I on the right track or is there a better option that has been overlooked? Your guidance will be much appreciated. 🙏🏼
You are making me awaken with concept i never heard of, never thought of making me more aware and rational on many things about bike. I used to think that KTM 390 adventure being a expensive bike and a KTM offering will be best in its segment due to its price and features but your video changed all of my perspective. Thanks both of you. 😊
Thanks for the informative video! It really helped me gain clarity on what to look for in the adventure bikes. Keep up the great work, your channel is a fantastic resource for motorcycle enthusiasts.
I own a 1st gen BSIII Himalayan. Despite all it's niggles and ailments and having replaced most components several times over, including the chassis once, I still love the bike. However, I've been on the look for a new bike for some time now. I waited for the 390 Adv when it was announced, but it didn't impress me much and was a bit overpriced. XPulse just doesn't cut it for the lack of highway performance. I was making up my mind to go for the 390 Adventure X, which makes a lot more economic sense than any other variant. But after watching this video, I feel like I agree with Shumi. I guess I'll wait for the Himalayan 450. But I'm not jumping any guns this time. I'll wait till the first lot is sold out and for RE to start making amends based on user feedback.
please make a long video on adventure 250 duke. I know shumi loves sports bike more. I am watching you guys since 2 days only, before that I don't know anything about motorinc. But how shumi & karthik does is one which I can't explain in words. For adventure 250 duke I don't see much good videos. Shumi please please consider my request
Where is the riding video bro? I am really interested in 390X U kept comparing it to the old 390, but since I am completely new to Adv 390, I won't be able to understand your feeling
I often get asked what KTM can do to fix the gap between what the 390 Adventure does and what we expect it to do. First, the SW suggests that the ideal 390 Adventure would split into two parts. One that does touring really well and another that does off-road really well. Sort of how the Rally Kit turns the Xpulse 200 from a casually good off-roader to an excellent, far more serious off-road machine. Why it cannot be done with this generation of the Adventure is mostly to with the frame itself (which is why I keep saying 2025, the model change is a crucial milestone for this motorcycle). We need more suspension travel and more ground clearance to make this as much of an off-roader as the 790 or 890 Adventures. Maybe even a 21" front wheeled model! If you sacrifice the idea of off-roading, then the bones of a good tourer are actually in the 390 Adventure. I'd be fine with the 19" front wheel -it has the utility of handling bad roads and flatter trails better. But what you really need is suspension that allows the 390 Adventure to settle down and do _a lot more_ than the 390 Duke or equivalent on Indian roads (implying a mix of surfaced but bumpy roads). This is what I think the adjustable suspension, had it been standard from the beginning, offered riders. And now, the SW's spoked wheels to me, are a far smaller utility than the adjustable suspension. And the more I rode the SW, the more I concluded that the standard 390 A should _not_ have anything but adjustable suspension today.
I was hoping to buy 390 Adv This Year But After Watching whole Video, i concluded that It doesn't Meet My kind of Needs in An Adv . Maybe I will Hold Out Till Summer Next Year . To see what other kinds Of Adv Motorcycles India Gets And Get Batter Sense Which One Will Meet My needs 😁
Good plan!
Hiii , can you please explain which types of suspension used in 390 Adventure x and 390 adventure.
It's shumi ❤
🙌🏻 Agreed
what separates your channel from the rest is you really make us try to understand the machine, not just review the performance. This opens up new perspectives for us. Thank you both
Thanks for the appreciation Prasad!
That what Shumi does the best, he shows the bigger picture & real world utility of the matter.
Guy's a gem.
Second that
Shumi is more practical when it comes to what you want from a motorcycle and what you are looking out for.
This video has opened a whole new perspective, which is a good thing. Thank you for keeping it real guys 🤙🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Shumi, I rented a KTM 390 for the spiti circuit, rode like a maniac... and I loved it. Especially coming from a Tiger 800 at home, I loved the light weight nimbleness. It is still a very good bike and can be recommended to most of the riders (tourers.). I liked your analysis on the seat height/suspension/frame. You have not gone overboard like the most other reviewers, who just give gospel. You have actually backed your views with analysis. On more suggestion, in Motoinc videos (except this one), your presentation style changed... I personally miss your earlier involved analysis... may be change of style is not needed
Glad you love the MotorInc vibe!
Can you please explain that last part again?
@@motorinc he didn't
Yea please explain the last bit a bit
Absolutely in love with your channel. Hearing the two of you speak is nothing short of therapy. And the questions that form in my mind, 20 seconds later, the exact same questions are dealt with, it’s almost like the both of you are in tune with what the viewer wants to know, in advance. Keep up the good work! Love from Kolhapur, Maharashtra.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed that!
Grateful for tackling the most pertinent Q&A session on 390 ADV. You guys have saved 60k+ to most prospective owners including me ❤ as aforementioned listening to both of you is just so sweet and therapeutic. Love from New Delhi to you both and the team behind the scenes :)
Thanks Rohit! Glad that make sense to you!
Will pass on your compliments to the team!
Two wise men and a great support team behind, another happy subscriber!!! Thanks all
Came back frustrated with the traffic in Lonavala. Your videos made me cheer up a bit! Eagerly waiting for the next gen duke.
Killing it with the aesthetics! The background and costume ❤.
Glad you enjoyed the video! Sunday and first rains? We could have told you that the traffic would be nuts!
@@motorinc lesson learned 🤣👌
I got my 390 ADV last year. Been having a hoot on our roads with it cuz of the engine , the longer- than-Duke suspension travel and the accomodating seats. It's comfortable enough (even 2 up, provided the pillion isn't overweight) on long rides and is engaging on the twisties and more than capable of mild off roading. It fits my requirements pretty well. The only thing I wish was different was my 5 foot 6 height and the exhaust note. It might not be the best at any one thing but for someone who enjoys more than one type of riding and doesn't have the budget for 4 different bikes (for cities, canyons, highways and off road), the 390 ADV is a great pick in my opinion.
This used to be a dream machine for me because of 3 reasons, I can tour, It's cheap to maintain, It was reasonable comfortable for luggage and pillion!
But life changed - pillion went out of the picture.
Suddenly - 4.2Lacs on road started to look steep, (middle class boy troubles).
Got something really reasonable as a Used Vstrom 250 and I am very happy with the new found ability of it to really tour. It fits my single bike garage perfectly. It takes me to office - takes me to weekend twisties - takes me out on highways at reasonable 90-100 KMPH (did a 1700Km ride recently to understand that bike well and I was impressed AF).
Moral of the story- wanted to wait for Himalayan 450 but that is a long way away and I think it'll also take a while for RE to sort out its niggles from the first batch. So maybe another 2 years until I buy another machine, until then my recently acquired 250SX should serve me well. Btw shumi's advice on used machines and vstrom videos helped me a lot.
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying your riding Rahul... and that we've been able to help!
I love how you guys don't mince your words and say what a normal rider mostly would have questions about. Love the unfiltered opinion!
Thanks Vijay! Glad you found that useful!
I love watching you talk , not only about bike , it helps see life in a new perspective, soon I will join riding classes with you
Awesome! Best of luck!
I recently purchased the standard 390 ADV in March 2023 and completed a ride from Mumbai to Leh and back ( With pillion and luggage). The suspension in the initial days felt uncomfortable compared to Himalayan and GS310 but once I got used to it along with the right preload setting, The suspension doesn’t feel like a bother anymore and once you are past that, The package that this KTM offers with the space in the saddle for two, The luggage carrying capacity, The features, The power, The ease of servicing it anywhere in India at a cheap cost start to grow on you. At this point, This is the only worthwhile upgrade for a person who has owned a 200cc bike for last 6 years. Speaking of upcoming competition, Looking at how the current Himalayan and other 350cc models are being priced, I don’t think Royal Enfield will be able to significantly undercut this KTM in price and I don’t think it will match the engine performance of the 390 because then it will be precariously close to the 650cc engines output and I wouldn’t do that if I were RE. I am just waiting for these bikes to launch and the fun to begin( with the comparos)!
Hello Suraj! Congratulations on your bike and ride! We hope the RE creates a better experience - not just a better VFM equation. That will be exciting!
@@motorinc Do you think I should talk to the service centre and get the adjustable suspension for my bike provided I recently bought the bike (March 2023) and 5 years of warranty is still left on the bike
2 of my most favourite presenters on the same channel! Love it guys..and very very informative ❤
Thank you for being here with us! ❤️
Apart from everything else worth loving in this video (the content being top bins only as always), let me take this moment to appreciate the aesthetics. Love the couches. Love their attire. Production value is as high as it gets.
That being said, (and this comes from a place of deepest love) I feel the background wall can be done a smidge better maybe. Its good now, but I think it could've been done better (but hey that's just my opinion). Specifically I feel the pastel white and pale blue: instead of this a plain dark wall with a better visible logo might've looked a tad bit better (even though I understand that a plain wall wouldn't have as much personality as the current one)
So we did try plain walls but it didn’t work for us and we haven’t gone back to that. Thanks for the feedback though, Daksh. Super good to have people like you watch our work!
My 2013 Duke with the change in both wheels and adjustable front suspension and rear is now an even better treat to ride and it has the Gen 1 390 engine which is just something else compared to the recent ones! So yes, retrofitting is the way to go! Thank you for putting it out there.
Totally agree
For a motor head like me your channel is like a goldmine. I can binge watch your videos all day long.
Love your unconventional long detailed analysis.
You guys are going to rule the motor review world pretty soon.
Cheers
Thank you so much @rajatchand1450
Some really valid points raised by you guys here, this is slowly changing my perspective towards 390Adv. Thanks for putting it out there the way you guys have. I guess stepping back a bit thinking about the points and maybe waiting for a bit more longer to see what more options do we get in next 2 years time will be more bang for the buck. Keep up the good work guys, really appreciate your efforts towards a quality dialogue on automobiles \m/
Yes! Good idea!
Triumph 400x is better for indian roads
I recently bought a Ktm 390 adv x and done around 200kms till date and I'm in love with this machine..
Congratulations! Wish you the best for your travels!
i upgraded from re himalayan to adventure 390x and for me this solves all the major issues that i had with RE. i really like this bike and i go very light off roading. city and highway mainly.
🙌
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying your ride!
Let me start by stating my biases: I own one of these (2022), I have ridden it hard across Ladakh (2500 km in 14 days - In on and off-road conditions and rode up a 18K ft mountain without a road with not even a puncture), I am the 20% that uses it for 'what its made for', and I love the damn thing. Now to my thoughts, (1) for a set of folks (MI) who keep saying don't look at the specs but ride it for yourself), I found it strange this video kept emphasising a comparison to bikes that don't exist in the Indian market, I get the KTM ADV DNA is not there but its no dud. (2) Ride the bike and see what a lot of fun it is, if the likes of an Ouseph Chacko (5.7-5.8) or his ilk can get stuff out of this machine I would think the rest of us have a lot to learn and squeeze as much if not more out of this machine. I am 5.8, its a tall bike, just learn how to ride a tall bike, trust me its a better thing to do than be afraid, and you'll be a better rider for it. (3) The ground clearance is 200MM vs a 220 on most standard ADVs (that's 2 cm) (can't imagine a situation on road where this is meaningful and in an off road situation I would say learn to jump the bike or wheelie in a slow speed safely, you'll be infinitely better as a rider and look cooler to boot. (4) KTMs are horribly stally at low gears, frantic and vibey at high speeds, that's what you are buying, its not a welcoming bike but its fun and for some types of personalities it is the bike that'll keep you honest for a long time (by honest I mean you need to be focussed and skill up continuously on various fronts, get classes from an off road school- it'll really help, I have and its such a thrill to be able to control a unruly machine) (5) There are no perfect bikes and all assessments are subjective (the two reviewers have never spared an opportunity to remind us of that even though this episode didn't give the model much love). However, at the price, given its weight, true capability (this is a function of you and the bike) and low cost of repairs and replacements its a great (all-round) gateway drug and I rate this higher than the Duke in that. Would I have liked the SW and Adjustable suspension on my bike, for sure. Do I feel like shit about that, for sure. Will I get the upgrade, I sure will!
That said.
Cheers to MotorInc, keep the weird ASMR-y chats going. Ride safe and ride hard, Peace!
Well said.
I always get hit upon by my rider buddies how I made a mistake getting the regular 390 instead of the adventure. But having ridden both of them, I knew I made the right choice bcz the 390 is also a phenomenal tourer if not better and feels at home in the twisties which is much more usable in the city too. Dont see any reason to get the adv over the regular 390 apart from mild off road capabilities
Shumi would totally agree!
What about the agressive position of footpegs on a duke that no one who is looking for a touring bike would prefer?
@@sachuchandra94 Duke footpegs are not aggressive, they are bit rearset. The aggresive ones are those of RC
This video was like having a normal conversation with fellow riders so easy to understand , relate lot of info shared just so transparent , no polished gyaan. Just upto the point and everything that was told is in the head so clear.. 😊❤
I was initially waiting for Hero and Royal enfield to come out with their 400 CC machines but I just got tired of waiting. I am so glad I bought the 390 adventure X and saved the 60k. My main motive is to tour on this motorcycle (sometimes with a pillion) and not do any off-roading until and unless absolutely necessary. Being a 6' tall guy I have no problem with the seat height, but the main issue I have is the vibrations. I even changed the horribly shaped mirrors to husqvarna's but they still vibrate so much so that I just need to turn my head to check behind me. Other than that, really happy with the purchase. Coming from avenger 220, this 390 engine is just something else.
Glad you’re out riding! Congratulations Amodh!
I also got a ADV X recently. After first service the vibrations have settled down to an extent. The bike does not like to go slow. I felt the engine smoothens out a little bit when revs climb. Overall I feel it is a vibey engine.
The power is something. The first time I gave it full throttle, I was in 3rd or 4th mid revs. I was almost knocked back and came close to falling off the bike. I was not expecting such a sudden strong pull. I am coming from a Svartpilen. The 390s character is very different from the 250s. It does not feel sane or sensible. Makes me wonder how much of a hooligan the first gen duke 390 must have been.
Absolutely spot on! the First Gen 390 Duke was 😳
Buy the bike - Not because it is the best bike out there in the segment : But because it’s the best for you right now !!
My only requirement (when I was doing the bike hunt) was to
1. Tour (700-800kms a day)
2. Pillion comfort ( I ride with pillion all the time )
3. Spacious ( Can carry all sort of luggage : Tailbag + Saddle + Tank Bag)
In 2022 , there weren’t many options out there.. took the risk & went with this 390 adv
Best decision ever 🙌
Bottom line : with almost 400kgs on board .. it cruised smoothly at 110-120kmph giving 30kmpl at still enough juice left to reach 130-135 for over takes
If that’s not cool.. not sure what is..
P.S no hate to Shumi & Karthikeya.. I love you guys..
Thanks for sharing your experience @chalonish! Glad to hear that.
1. We need a detailed video for the preparations that needs to be done for the upcoming monsoon season.
2. How to choose a motorcycle by test driving and what to look and what not to look in the test drive and decide based on the short test drive we get normally
1. Just lube the chain properly and more often. And wash it down every other weekend. That's all. As long as you tyres are in decent shape you'll be fine.
2. th-cam.com/video/6u1EV9beVAI/w-d-xo.html
I purchased KTM 390 Adventure X. I live in Pune. I've ridden 650 Kms so far. And, I still haven't got the OPPORTUNITY to engage the sixth gear 🥲.
I love the 390 series. Especially after ktm released the 390 adventure x. It has great cruising speed for Indian highways, more than enough top speed, I like minimum electronics, basic abs is enough for me, tubeless tyres are advantage. It's a good touring bike, lighter, better mileage compared to big bikes.
Totally agree! It's good enough for touring!
I bought the rally variant of the 390 adventure and riding it has been an absolute pleasure. The power, the suspension its all worth it. I would prefer it over the g310gs and the Himalayan over and over again
These guys are saviours for all the motorcyclists❤ thank you Shumi and Karthikeyan
Glad we can help!
Wonderful content.
I personally own a X version n the whole idea of getting this version coz I don't want to waste time in adjustments n settings. Roads conditions change n having a average setting that works evenly is what x offers. The motor is tuned to suit Adv riding demands. I don't know to what extreme it can go for now it is doing flawlessly what I want it to. No TC keeps the riding experience Organic
I think for KTM it was more of a move to be in the people's attention since the 2024 390 has already leaked over the internet, so why would people buy the base 390 and not wait for few months.
Was inch closer to buy the adventure x, but shifted to interceptor 650 due to the much better parallel twin and its refinement.
Anyway, thanks for the great review.
No manufacturer can move that kind of quickly Anshul. It's simply not possible to turn around and sell models, even variants, in reaction to things at a few months notice
Buy an X, Shed the warranty. Upgrade the rear suspension to xpulse's. yes, its exact fit. Remove the fork oil, fill lower weight than stock oil, thats it. This great package will not cost more than 3.5 lacs. Or wait for xpulse 400. No RE's please.
Here's me wishing Shumi and Kartikeya a very Happy Guru Purnima. Guys who we look up to for any advise related to motorcycle and car (more into motorcycles personally). Keep sharing your knowledge through various podcasts and sessions. Sorry for wishing early as it's almost close to midnight here in Atlanta Georgia. Hoping to bump into you guys when you are here or if I am in India, on a track day session in Chennai 😅.
Thank you so much! Lets meet at a trackday, either here or in the US.
@@motorinc lovely
What you pay vs what you get , KTM is still the best out there. 390 adv creams all other bikes in the segment and does it with a yawning gap. Ofcourse everyone of us wants the best of all worlds , but lets get real for a moment. We are not spoilt for choices when the 390 adv is around. Lets see what we got in the price range .
1. 310 Gs : slow comfortable expensive ride.
2. Himalayan : slow comfortable offroad unreliable ride.
3. Jawa : yet to be proven on many parameters.
4. Xpulse : a great second bike.
Point is 390 adv is the best money can buy if you are upto it. And they just made it better by offering umpteen options. Treat it like an android phone if you will, change it for what you want. The only bike that can be all. Period !
Thanks for sharing!
Looking forward for a similar discussion on the new gen duke 390.
Can’t wait!
I also had the same opinion on the quick shifter in my 390 Adventure, it never worked smoothly in my initial days of ownership. When it worked, it worked like magic, and when it doesn't, I felt it was ruining the whole mood. Infact, I turned the QS option off in my bike for months.
But later a thought came, as I had paid for the whole package and somehow I have to figure this out. 😂 With constant practice and experiments, I got that sweet spot where it would work smoothand now I'm happy with the QS.
The spark cut off is only for a split second when the contact comes to shift lever and we have to shift through the same time. Its working for me in all the gears up and down, only thing is we have to maintain the RPM between 4-5s. The QS works like charm for me now and I use the clutch only for b2b traffic.
I guess it will work for everyone once we start to live with it and figure it out on how to find that sweet spot to shift.
I'm one of the those users who does mid level off road and uses it mainly for touring, so the tube tyres in SW is a bit concerning. Hope KTM will bring an option to choose the parts to be replaced than getting a new model from them. Great insights as usual!
I agree with your point. I too have the 390 adv and love to tour on it for hundreds of kms at a stretch. the QS will become really smooth once you are adjusted to using that.
Thanks for sharing Hari and Praful! Will be helpful to others to get the hang of their ADVs quicker! Appreciate it!
Shumi Sir,
I have already booked SW version, and this wont change my mind. 😅 Because of the below points already discussed by you guys
1- Thinking it for > 10yrs
2- Correct break-in and servicing
3- The suspension
4- If puncture issues I'll buy the alloy wheel spares.
5- Run on stock untill I get a feedback from myself that things(not bike) needs upgradation 😉
Awesome! Best of luck Sachin!
Update: Watched the video 10th time,... And spoke with the local dealer for adv-x and adjustable suspensiom and he said yes. So it's Adv-x with Adj Sus. 😮
Okay, let me pit things into perspective. The last time I rode a motorcycle was 30 years ago and it was the original Boss - the Suzuki Shogun. I'm not in the market anytime soon for a motorcycle, although to be completely transparent I did come close to pulling the trigger on a Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro but that's another story. I did see the 390 Adventure last year for my kid brother back in India, and I was really keen that he gets one, but....I'm here because I love both of these guys who love and breathe motorcycles. I love their content and the conversational style, crisp format. This video has really cleared whatever doubts I had in my mind about the 390 Adv. I think I'm going to tell my brother to wait until 2025. Absolutely amazing video, guys. Keep up the good work!!
Hullo GK! You're an awesome elder brother! Worth waiting! Thanks for being with us here!
I test rode the 390 ADV a few days back and my opinion if it still remains unchanged as the one from a year back. It feels like its going to do touring and off-roading really well. But all that fades away the moment you start riding it. 😅
Will be very interesting what the RE Himalayan and Hero have in store.
Totally agree! This is gonna be a great year for tourers!
same. test rode it and all my built up excitement of the 390adv fell flat. suspension was no where near the xpulse200 and the low end grunt was so bad that I could clearly see the bike sitting idle at home as I'd prefer to take the car or cycle for anything other than tours.
I guess it's wait and watch mode, wouldn't mind an xpulse400 with better cruisability or a much lighter and faster Himalayan.
We're waiting with you!
I don't have the money to buy 390 adv I already have allmighty xpulse 4v and no plan to buy any bike in near 2 to 3 year but still watched full video thats what I called is engagement
Thanks for watching Rahul! Glad you enjoyed it!
I rode the 390x from Bangalore to Yelagiri with my partner as pillion. Covering approx 400km. The takeaway is the rear seat. It is substantially spacious and has room to reposition oneself while on a long stretch. Comfort felt supreme. Myself as a rider, I thoroughly enjoyed the response of the motor without the intervention of electronics. Be it the highway, the sactuary, the twisties while climbing uphill, it never felt stressed especially with a pillion.
The bike has a lot of presence on road. Despite the size of it, the bike is surprisingly Nimble through traffic and corners. Yes it allowed me to corner pretty hard😮.
Ever since, I've considered it to be my potential upgrade for touring purpose.
However, after Himalayan 450.... hearts are evolving
😃 Bought it, ride it, enjoy it. Distract yourself with thoughts about the next gen 390 ADV.
I like the sound of that! 😊
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As an owner of the ADV 390 Standard variant, I must say that the TC was extremely intrusive at first, but for almost 3 Years of owning the 390. KTM has pumped out regular updates and has solved major issues with the bike, like the low bottom end torque, TC is not as intrusive, Riding modes, and the best part it, My ADV 390 has had a butter smooth QS from the start, and over the time with ECU updates the QS has only gotten smoother and slicker with both up and downshift to the point I forget that the clutch even exists, and after 26000+ kilometers of Touring+Off roads,+ commuting, the only major mod I've done is getting the adjustment rear suspension of the SW variant, other than that I've never been disappointed with the Adventure 390 ❤
You guys and Ryan F9 are the only ones who criticise 390 adventure this much, everyone else says otherwise.
Well, we will always stay things the way they are supposed to be said. No filter!
I only driven commuters and scooter know nothing about these even though I watch these video editing and sound is superb you guys are awesome
Thank you so much!
I had watched this video when it premiered last year and listening to both of you, I had absolutely made up my mind that I’ll NEVER purchase a KTM Adv 390.
Skip to Jan 2024, I gifted myself an Adv 390X for my birthday 😂
Honestly, you guys are right about everything you said - The suspension is stiff, the seat is ridiculously high, the low end torque is almost non-existent, lacks an Adv level suspension travel. But, I still chose the motorcycle because when I test rode I instantly connected with the character of the motorcycle - Flawed, yet charming ❤
The feeling of the engine settling down after all the huff & puff below 4000 rpm was so special that I can’t explain it 🤩
I’ve clocked 6,500 kms so far and not once did I feel I made a mistake by choosing this over the Scrambler 400X or the Himalayan 450 (that I test rode before the KTM ADV 390 X)
Everytime I ride the motorcycle, whether it’s 3 kms to a nearby shop, 30 kms to office or even 600 kms to Goa, I am excited to rev the engine and feel the grunt.
I revisited the video today, because it showed up once again as a recommendation in TH-cam and after watching it i was reminded what I wrote at the beginning of this comment 😊
I love watching MotorInc, please keep up the good work!
Thanks for sharing @adithuday149! We're glad that you're having a great time with your 390 Adventure!
I bought the X variant and got the suspension from SW. best of both worlds
Very cool! How much did you spend? Did the dealer do drama in ordering the suspension etc?
The KTM 390 ADV is amazing and extremely versatile. Understand that one needs to spend enough time with the bike to make a connection.
I come from the Himalayan and this truly has been an upgrade for me. Yes, you'll need to unlearn a lot when you make this upgrade, whilst having a ton of fun.
All the electronics are just icing. The Quickshifter+ works flawlessly, the suspension is perfect and the other electronics are just well calibrated. Once you make the connection, you'll feel all these aids working with you, and that way you'll be able to get from this bike than any other in the market currently.
If you're contemplating, don't! Just get one.
Thanks for sharing!
production quality is at top gear level
Thanks!
I have a 390 ADV. Used for 2 months and my first KTM.
1. The QuickShifter+ works like a charm for me. I'm not sure why you say it's iffy.
2. I fully concur that the bike is a tourer and not a real off roader. I mean look at the stock Footpegs angle. It's canted forward, Ready To Race
3. I've done 400 km a day ride on Tarmac and I'm happy about what this bike can do on highways. And I'll keep it on the Highway.
Hullo Mr B! 1 - that's just it - its not consistent. It can be alright, but always isn't. Glad to hear yours is working well. 2 - great point! 3 - safe travels! Thanks for being here!
Please make one video for BMW GS310. Such detailed one and also recommend any changes to better the experience
and i really love that u didnt post or try to sell by specs or anything.. u really want us to understand and feel the machine in our subconscious and want us to make peace with the product that hey this is what i felt and i will tell u the experience and u can decide whether can u see living with the machine or not? and its so crystal clear like an elder brother explaining stuff.. thank u so much karthik and shumi for creating this channel and keep up the good work!
Thank you, Yash! Glad you liked our style.
I have a MY21 Adv390. In almost 2 years of my ownership, i have clocked 19,500km on it. I haven't taken it off road. It's an amazing Highway tourer. Also, the QS+ has worked great for me. Also, touchwood, 0 punctures so far with the tough as nails Metzelers. You really don't want a puncture on such heavy and tall motorcycle. Completely agree with Shumi on most aspects.
Thanks for sharing Prasanna! That's some serious traveling! Wish you many more great journeys!
Hi Prasanna, hope you're well. Almost a month ago I tried to reach out to you both on olx where you posted an ad of 390 Adventure for sale and on WhatsApp but to no avail
@@Rohitjaen Hi, after about a day of posting the advt, I took it down and deleted the app as I wasn't really convinced to sell the motorcycle. Sorry to keep you hanging on Olx. Also, I don't remember any conversation on WhatsApp. 🤔
@@PrasannaJadiya28 I WhatsApp you but didn't get the reply back. In fact your ad. was there on OLX for at least few weeks and i was very keen on getting my hands on your bike particularly for 2 reasons. First the bike looked well maintained judging by the pics posted and the description below, secondly I had a hunch that you and your bike should be a good and fair deal 🤝 and i really liked the motoren lights being in the package and last but not the least i wanted to at least get in talks with you since you needed the proceedings for business investments. I went almost daily at olx msg window to check weather you reverted back but yeah whatever. It's all cool now 😎 I've 2 options with me ATM, I'll getting a new 390 Adventure X or a 2022 standard model clocked over 6000+. My inclination towards that used one is because I really like the dark Galvano black color the most out of 5 livery options currently on offer. Safe and happy riding. Cheers 🥂
Dunno how I missed this. But its time to buy a new bike, and the one place i would hover around is Motorinc ! ❤
What a stonking amazing review! Addresses so many crucial points that nobody else does. Just brilliant.
Thanks!
Osm video, looking forward to seeing more such quality content from you guys 🔥 🙌🏻
Thank you so much!
Hey folks.. loved this video.. however, I feel you'll are being too harsh on the KTM adv 390..
I own it since last 3 years now. I am 5ft7inchs which means that the adv is a damn tall bike for me.. but it never made me uncomfortable.. thanks to its light weight and weight distribution. Other thing is that, I like how the ABS is calibrated.. it has saved me on a few occasions.. Also, the traction control works just fine.. nothing extraordinary but in gravely surfaces both on and off road.. it channels the power reasonably well.
Yes the rear suspension in a punishment for my back.. and after watching this video.. I am planning to atleast get a adjustable shock at the rear..
Do note that I am not a hard core off roader.. I do mild off roading.. and long distance touring.. for which this bike brings a lot of value to the table.
You folks continue to to read my mind, every time, just want to thank you for covering each ride with all the practical, logical and passionate reviews. An avid rider and enthusiast myself, Big fan and very much relatable. 😊
Thank you Team!
Sandy
You guys call it as you see it. That's what I like about this channel. I get to hear cons of a vehicle ive heard no where else.
Thanks RR!
Finally someone spoke about how an Adv x and the SW variant rides. Yes said it damn straight, the X is much more sharper and crisp while riding than the SW variant. I certainly doubt the reliability of the spoke wheels put together. I am quite happy with my Adv x. Got some money to put on some Accesories on my bike and buy me some adventure gears as well. There is no such actual use of traction control orquick shifter in an ADV or the TFT screen as such. I would have been really happy if cornering ABS was there in the adv X but it is quite manageable to be honest. It all really matters on who rides the motorcycle. Anyways happy to see guys come out of your own together. Good luck for your future adventures, and I hope to see you guys anytime if possible. Cheers.😁
Upgrading from a Himalayan, the first thing I noticed was the bottom end. Changing the front sprocket with the Duke 250 15-tooth one makes it much better to ride. But the vibes in the footpegs and the weird suspension settings doesn’t feel right. So, now I have one more thing to fix my ADV 390, ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSIONS !
But I’ll wait for the new Himalayan 😍
Spot on Akshaypadma!
Cutting throught the BS to get to what I as a consumer should do (depending on use case) is exactly why I love this channel. Was a fun watch end to end. Would have loved it more if they touched on the low end torque issues a bit along with suspension travel and ground clearance.
As you guys suggest, Let's say I buy 390 X which is 80k cheaper than SW. Add Adjustable Forks which is 35K. Labor costs 2-2.5k. Next, let's say I add metzeler tourance(front+back) which costs me 25-27k Approx. Now 390X is 20k cheaper than SW plus I have a set of MRF tires which I can resell for around 6-8k I guess. So 20-25k value!!!
Now for this 20-25k less
I lose riding modes, Quick Shifter, TC, Fancy TFT, KTM livery, and spoke wheels(If that suits my needs) on 390X. Plus the hassle of voiding my warranty on retrofitting the suspension since those are not kits. Let's say I meet with an accident, I asked the insurance guys, what If they don't pay for the bike on the grounds of f retro fitment
As with if I buy 390 SW paying 20-25k extra, I get all the above stuff plus not voiding the warranty(peace of mind). Con here is Tube Tires. If I will mostly touring on highways, tube tires should not be a problem(majorly).
One common concern is both bikes is no low seat height option.
I still feel 390 SW is a good option instead of taking the retrofitting route.
Peace of mind = invaluable
Man, shumi is really a Monk who can do satsang of motorcycles talks with audience like us.
Thank you 🙏🏽🖖🏽
Absolutely love the calm and zen like episodes .. such a welcome and refreshing change.
I was eager to buy 390adv sw variant, now will hold till next year to find the nee stuffs coming in..thnxs guys
390 Duke is good although I am not a KTM fan but that 390cc engine in not good for a adventure bike. I like 390 adventure's design looks but that engine won't do justify it's character. Little advice sir ji there is audio quality problem in this episode, may be tweaked wrongly or there is issue while recording I am just guessing but there is a problem. You people are doing great contribution to motoring and I love your channel.
Man I am waiting for adv 390 2025 model and I promise I will only buy it after you guys will review it... Awesome content with clarity 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you so much for the trust, @AlimoForYou! We're on it!
How can you bring so much clarification in one video... kudos to your efforts and R&D..!!!
Glad you liked that!
Duke 390 or 390 X which is a better buy?Thank you.
wow entire video summed up so well @Karthik 😆
Thank you!
I took the plunge and bought a 390 adventure x. The dealer did say that I can upgrade the suspension by paying extra when the part becomes available. Fingers crossed.
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KTM should have gone with TVS's BTO theme. Select the configuration and pay as per. That would have been very good option. Maybe not electronics but the hardware like Wheels, Suspension, Seat options could be possible. Maybe the TFT too.
The most rad intro ever ❤❤❤
My new obsession: watching motorlnc❤
I watched the discussion, and I must say, it's intriguing to see such diverse opinions about the KTM 390 Adventure. While some channels praise it, others criticize its features like the lack of adjustable suspension, seat height, and traction control.
However, what really caught my attention was the comparison with the Honda CB500X and BMW 310 GS. It's surprising to see that the Honda, which comes at a significantly higher price, still lacks fully adjustable suspension, traction control, and spoke wheels, limiting its off-road capabilities. On the other hand, the BMW 310 GS also falls short in terms of advanced electronics and adjustable suspension.
Given these points, I can't help but wonder if there's a fair balance in the reviews. It seems like the KTM 390 Adventure is being judged quite harshly for its base model features, while other bikes with similar limitations are still being praised.
For the price range whatever they have given in electronics no brand is giving, these features are there in mid weigh adventure bikes.
I'd love to hear from the reviewer about the criteria used for evaluating these bikes and why certain aspects are considered deal-breakers for the KTM but not for others. It's essential to provide a fair assessment to help riders make informed decisions.
What do you all think about this comparison? Let's have a healthy discussion about these motorcycles and their strengths and weaknesses!
The whole point here is that both of them ( both the hosts ) make eerily accurate points with completely accurate and logical comments which actually make a lot of sense when you practically see it.
😆 we’re not sure whether you are happy about it…
@@motorinc Totally happy about it.. love your content as always.... ♥️
Why u guys do this again and again? Which is giving us the best content. Honestly, I love when u guys discuss and especially when in between the conversations you guys just tease the other bike brands😂😂. Loved it. Please continue making this channel as simple as guys are. Cheers.
Thank you, Prateek! Stay tuned for more.
Just test rode that yesterday, ktm 390 adv X ...
I'm so impressed
Great 👍
This is brilliant! I've really got some points to consider/remember while I purchase one. Thanks. Great work ♥️
I Would Rather Buy the DUKE 390, Put a Soft Luggege on the Rear seat & went on Tour & Overtake all These under 500cc Budget Adventures available in the Market.
Shumi would agree!
I want a motorcycle for city commute & my priority is touring. Currently I use 2010 model Yamaha FZ-S for the above purpose and yes sometimes I do 1000 kms a day(17-20 hours) too.
I want a bike with good(at least decent) suspension & riding comfort, but tank range and fair mileage is also not ignorable.
I'm actually highly confused between V-Strom 250 and KTM Adventure 390X coz they both seem to be good enough at what they do.
But I also like Honda CB300R (yes it's a completely different bike but I love it too).
My height is 5'6" and I've test ridden all the above bikes.... Ktm is tall, Suzuki is 👍🏻+spacious and Honda is 👍🏻+lightest of the lot too.
And yes, the content you guys provide is top notch. Respect to you guys from deep within ❤.
The Suzuki would be a super option. Have you checked out Shumi’s video on it?
@@motorinc yes certainly I did. But it seems servicing is an issue, as sometimes we need to wait for spares too, though it's rare in cases, but after sales experience isn't as good compared to others 🙂
I remember the power drift review you did where you mentioned that what this bike needs is adjustable suspension well now it gets it but with spoke wheels
All manufacturers really need to start thinking about tubeless X spoked rims !
That intro music is DOPE!
Thanks KC!
thhanks for helping me to decide whic adv to buy, Gonna buy 390 adventure x
Hey Shumi, a quick question... Why does KTM not bring its big bikes to our shores? Please share your thoughts.
Get a used ADV 390 at half the price and retrofit the adjustable suspension or if you have a Duke 390 then install a set of GS 310 suspension front and back along with the ADV 390 handlebar with adv clutch cable (don't recommend risers) and ADV 390 complete foot rest bracket with pegs (brings the foot position forward) which I do to my Duke everytime I'm out touring. Similar mods goes for bs6 duke 390 owners, also if you want to increase the ground clearance then install the bs4/bs3 exhaust system and then tune the ecu to correct the air fuel ratio. Wish the ADV did not have the coolant tank on the left side beside the cylinder otherwise the bs4/bs3 exhaust conversion would have increased its ground clearance by another 30-35mm which is robbed away by the stock bend pipe going underneath the cylinder.
To be very honest the adventure series by itself provide an excellent array of tourers, the power, the modern electronics, i have been a fan of this bike for the value it provides..... however what shumi is saying is true in the purest of senses.....the adventure 390 is not a hard-core off roader, it will go on rough terrain and patchy roads are not an issue at all, however on a proper off road trail one will require to be skillful to handle this bike, the primary issue being the high rev gear setup requires the rider to be extremely mindful of the rev status unlike the himalyan which is more forgiving.....over all for a person who is planning to tour and occasionally go on bad roads.....this is a proper value bike and the one important aspect of ktm that it will teach you to be a skillful rider
How much will 50k worth of change matter between KTM 250 ADVENTURE and KTM 390 ADVENTURE X ??
16:46 100% Agree 👍
IMO, going for a standard or SW variant is a better choice. If the safety features save us in one crash it's more than worth than what we save on X model. I have ignored quick shifter feature completely while making this opinion.
Good morning Team MotorInc!
I'm here for an advice. Currently own a CB350 and want a more tourable, easier to handle bike which can comfortably do 100-120 kmph all day.
Must haves are:
Neutral riding position for a 5 11' frame 75kg person with prolapsed discs 😊
Refined engine, need not be Honda smooth, but not interested in getting stuck somewhere far, often.
Not too stiff a suspension
Good service
Rideable and heat managed in city traffic without too many gear changes, not melting your thighs like Triumph 400
Wet weight below 185kg
Under 3.5 lakhs OTR
350 - 500 cc
My dream machine was the Honda 500X but the pricing and parts unavailability scared me off.
HD 440X looks interesting but after your reviews about the new KTM engine in the Duke, was thinking of waiting for Adv X with the same motor next year.
Am I on the right track or is there a better option that has been overlooked? Your guidance will be much appreciated. 🙏🏼
The 2023 KTM 390 Adventure SW comes with tubeless tires in the US. The spoke holes are sealed with a rubber ring.
You are making me awaken with concept i never heard of, never thought of making me more aware and rational on many things about bike. I used to think that KTM 390 adventure being a expensive bike and a KTM offering will be best in its segment due to its price and features but your video changed all of my perspective. Thanks both of you. 😊
Glad we could help Ashish! 🙏🏾
Thanks for the informative video! It really helped me gain clarity on what to look for in the adventure bikes. Keep up the great work, your channel is a fantastic resource for motorcycle enthusiasts.
I own a 1st gen BSIII Himalayan. Despite all it's niggles and ailments and having replaced most components several times over, including the chassis once, I still love the bike. However, I've been on the look for a new bike for some time now. I waited for the 390 Adv when it was announced, but it didn't impress me much and was a bit overpriced. XPulse just doesn't cut it for the lack of highway performance. I was making up my mind to go for the 390 Adventure X, which makes a lot more economic sense than any other variant. But after watching this video, I feel like I agree with Shumi. I guess I'll wait for the Himalayan 450. But I'm not jumping any guns this time. I'll wait till the first lot is sold out and for RE to start making amends based on user feedback.
Adventure 390 was an answer to the growing adv demands, it wasnt planed well.
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please make a long video on adventure 250 duke. I know shumi loves sports bike more. I am watching you guys since 2 days only, before that I don't know anything about motorinc. But how shumi & karthik does is one which I can't explain in words. For adventure 250 duke I don't see much good videos. Shumi please please consider my request
Where is the riding video bro? I am really interested in 390X
U kept comparing it to the old 390, but since I am completely new to Adv 390, I won't be able to understand your feeling
We will work on ride video aa soon as possible.
@@motorinc thanks bro