Apparently Frank Herbert got the name from seeing the name "Harkonnen" in the phone book. He presumed it to be Russian/Soviet. He was looking for a villainous name for the character.
Well, unless he wanted to make stuff up there is not a lot to go on in any way. So honestly this is about as in depth you can go with lore of Dune (if you stick to the main books). The rest of the great houses are just a powerblock relevant to the plot more as an entity than many different characters
What I find a shame is the fact that there are so many channels who cover the general knowledge of Dune, but no one seems to get the idea to actually delve deeper and teach us the lore we do NOT yet know. For example I would be interested in anything but the three main houses since they have been covered over and over.If there are so many other houses (thankyou for that information btw) then please please make a video on that.
In the book the Lansraad is made up of many great houses, but only certain ones are mentioned. Atreides is important because its the only one who can threaten the emperor, currently. partly because he is a popular and just leader, partly because he has the strength and arrakis of course set as a trap, which he takes. -- The houses most often mentioned aside from corrino and harkonnen are moritani and ginaz, which had a war, ginaz formerly trained swords men. If we go an accept the expanded universe of brian herbert's books--which ill understand if one doesnt, Ix is house vernius. Ix in the original frank herbert series is never called a house. The novels dont actually explain many of the other houses but have to do with the bene gesserit, bene tleilax and guild far more. richese is mentioned only as a specialist in miniturization and doesnt figure much into stories. So there just really isnt a ton on them. House ordos is in the gaming universe, which is not canon. House minors include the only one i can mention is the one Rabban is part of, a under house of harkonnen. There is also a place the guild takes defeated houses as sanctuary known only to them. I would just read the books, their appendicies and there is a Dune wiki. you can read the Dune encyclopedia, but this is not canon.
We know about one line about the other great houses like moritani and ginaz, unless you aceppt Brian Herbert's expanded universe books as canon, which many people dont: he makes Ix house vernius, in the original Ix is never mentioned as a great house. The training schools and other entities like Ix, Richese is barely mentioned beyond it is specialized in miniaturization, Bene Gesserit, Guild, Bene Tleilaxu are far more important usually in the books. We also know next to nothing about the houses minor by name: the one the beast rabban is part of, a vassal of the harkonnens is the only one i can think of. There's a special planet? or planets? only the guild can access called Tupile, where defeated ones go, and the Bene Gesserit have a special planet with an extreme environment like Arrakis of their own, mentioned in Chapterhouse or Heretics. Every major house has "family atomics" usually forbidden to use. Interfamily warfare is governed according to the Imperial feudal constitution by rules and known as Kanly or vendetta.
The dune fans tend not to accept the other books that mention them as cannon due to the fact that Frank himself didn’t publish it. It’s a very extremist group of fans. Also a the lack of past mainstream appeal of dune kinda lends to this trend, which seems to be changing as dune takes over Star War’s spot as the favorite syfy franchise.
@@Socialistsflyfree I also preferr Franks work in its pure form, but am still thankful that his son did his best to continue the legacy. As for Dune taking over from Star Wars, that is just a phase which will pass. Eventually a new Sci Fi banger will come along and the Dune hype will dissipate. If there is any reason that Star Wars goes down the drain, then that is all thanks to Disney, but the fundament created by its predecessors and their hardcore fanbase will undoubtedly keep SW alive. Ofcourse Disney will claim this to be their doing, but the more they produce this money printing conveyorbelt garbage, the less valued it will be.
People can only make videos over what is covered in the source materials. Most of the other houses are only mentioned in relation to these three. The information does not exist in canon and any video on the other great houses would be speculation at best.
@@MrAsdasdasdasdasddd Harkonnen (Haakon = son of a noble) thus princes, What Herbert was realy looking for was a synonym for Princepi ( the first rulers of the Imperium Romanum ; the Julian ceasars. A split off from the julians are the Claudians (the house of Alpheus) or as what Herbert came up with, the house of Atreus. The house of Corrino is the descendence of Alexander the great, often depicted as a 2-horned god-son (Corn = Horn). And so on, Herbert constructed his lore based on classic antiqiety.
@@willempasterkamp862 sure, but there's a way simpler explanation above. An Ox is Härkä in Finnish and the Harkonnen family coat of arms happens to be an Ox. It's widely considered to be the canon explanation.
It's honestly really cool the juxtaposition of Lady Jessica and Feyd-Reuth. Both are Harkonens and behave like them, and both show that Harkonen does NOT mean evil, but simply proud and driven. Feyd-Reuth displays some elements of respect and honor for his an Atreides opponent that earned his respect. His pride desires to fight an opponent using his real strength, and even though he won it with a trump card (I mean I don't blame him for not wanting to die), he honored rather than desecrating him after he killed him. There were even remarks of his potential character should he have been raised by another man. Lady Jessica is that 'what if' example. Why did Lady Jessica choose to have Paul? She never says it outright, probably because she lied even to herself, but it definitely wasn't for Leto's sake. No, SHE wanted to give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach herself, and it's blatantly obvious considering how she raised Paul and her near-delusional hopes for him. Yes, he turned out to be the real deal, but she straight up took a massive risk of ruining a cause she otherwise did believe in, all because her pride wanted herself and not her daughter to raise the Kwisatz Haderach. The Duke wanted an heir, not the Kwisatz Haderach. She didn't even consider Paul's feelings in raising him to become what he was. This is a very Harkonen thing to do. Paul didn't have enough Harkonen in him to be a proper Kwisatz Haderach. Feyd-Reuth's worst tendencies would have been tempered by a more powerful wife, and the potential son would have been a good and honorable person willing to do terrible things to be the Kwisatz Haderach. So was Paul, but Paul was forced to become what he became, he never wanted to be the Kwisatz Haderach. The potential son would have wanted to be the Kwisatz Haderach for the power alone, their pride would drive them and make them believe that themselves alone were worthy of such great power. They would not need circumstances to motivate them, they would be entirely self-motivated, and while they would certainly be brutally pragmatic, above that they would also be just and honorable. Bit off topic, but this is my favorite part of Dune.
Herberts example was the roman senate existing out of roman patrician families (the houses), similar the space guild is based on the jewish sanhedrin existing out of sadducees (priests, star-watchers, navigators).
Not gonna lie, I've never read the books, so I was really hoping you would talk about the great houses not just the main 3 that all other TH-cam videos talk about.
based on the roman senate, there were a few patrician families (maybe a 100) that controlled the landsrad (assembly), it's very specific to determine each family even for proffessional historians, and Herbert for obvious reasons didn't.
The Imperium seems to model the Holy Roman Empire quite a bit, though I've never seen this written about as Herbert's inspiration. It's almost like the HRE were active in a mercantilist era which was more capitalistic than it was in our timeline... and controlled most of a galaxy.
It remains untouched as far as I know, Jessica makes sure the jihad does not reach Caladan, and doesn’t even allow any of Paul’s fedaykin to set foot on it. Since the Atreides empire conquers the known universe during both the jihad and Leto II’s reign, Caladan still belongs to house Atreides
"Thanks for the compliment, Jermaine! Glad we could give you some expanded info! In the first Dune book there are only 4 mentioned: Corrino, Atreides, Harkonnen, and Fenring. House Fenring is a minor house which is why it didn't make the cut for this video. It however weilds a certain level of power due to its relationship with the imperial house."
@@jermainenowels9511 you might see some lore on house ordos but that isn't canon and was created for the Westwood strategy games based on the David Lynch movie
Leto = Octavian augustus Vladimir = Tiberius princeps (kind of an ursurper, without heirs himself) Paul = Drusus germanicus (pretender, rightfull heir ; James the Just)
Because “Duke” is a title found in English royalty, and one the English-speaking audience would be familiar with and sympathetic to. “Baron” is more central- and Eastern European, and therefore connotes foreign-ness and harshness.
I love how each house has a different way of maintaining power and ensuring the loyalty of their people. House Corrino uses brute strength and idealism. House Atreides prefers diplomacy and inspiring legends. And House Harkonnen relies on good old fashioned exploitation and consumerism. All equally effective, all completely distinct
love Dune series but admit I am not interested in the worms the spice etc. But I find the space travel the Great Houses and the politics very interesting.
How i would have wished Harkonnen to be the good guys and Atreides the bad guys. I say this because i loooove the name Harkonnen. I don't like their logo though. However, in spite of this, the harkonnens weren't always evil. We can know a great Harkonnen hero in Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's The Butlerian Johad. Only Brian Herbert and his father know why they became evil.
I'm reading the series right now, currently about to finish God Emperor, and I didn't realize that the Lansraad is the political organization of the great houses. I'm sure I should have realized that sooner but whatever lol
Personal force fields (shields) block bullets in Dune, making melee combat more effective for infantry than handheld guns. Heavy weapons like artillery and explosives are still used, of course
All this video did was give a vague explanation of three houses that are already explained in the first book. Added nothing for anyone curious about deeper lore.
I am such a sucker for lore animatics like this! Keep it up!
We will let Kyle know that his hard work is appreciated; thank you! :D
AsArt: "Great Houses Explained"
Also AsArt: "There are many more Great Houses...but I'm not gonna tell you about them in this Great Houses video."
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Apparently Frank Herbert got the name from seeing the name "Harkonnen" in the phone book. He presumed it to be Russian/Soviet. He was looking for a villainous name for the character.
Well, unless he wanted to make stuff up there is not a lot to go on in any way. So honestly this is about as in depth you can go with lore of Dune (if you stick to the main books). The rest of the great houses are just a powerblock relevant to the plot more as an entity than many different characters
I specifically opened this video to learn about the other ones too!
@@gsnayyar It's Finnish.
What I find a shame is the fact that there are so many channels who cover the general knowledge of Dune, but no one seems to get the idea to actually delve deeper and teach us the lore we do NOT yet know. For example I would be interested in anything but the three main houses since they have been covered over and over.If there are so many other houses (thankyou for that information btw) then please please make a video on that.
In the book the Lansraad is made up of many great houses, but only certain ones are mentioned. Atreides is important because its the only one who can threaten the emperor, currently. partly because he is a popular and just leader, partly because he has the strength and arrakis of course set as a trap, which he takes. -- The houses most often mentioned aside from corrino and harkonnen are moritani and ginaz, which had a war, ginaz formerly trained swords men. If we go an accept the expanded universe of brian herbert's books--which ill understand if one doesnt, Ix is house vernius. Ix in the original frank herbert series is never called a house. The novels dont actually explain many of the other houses but have to do with the bene gesserit, bene tleilax and guild far more. richese is mentioned only as a specialist in miniturization and doesnt figure much into stories. So there just really isnt a ton on them. House ordos is in the gaming universe, which is not canon. House minors include the only one i can mention is the one Rabban is part of, a under house of harkonnen. There is also a place the guild takes defeated houses as sanctuary known only to them. I would just read the books, their appendicies and there is a Dune wiki. you can read the Dune encyclopedia, but this is not canon.
We know about one line about the other great houses like moritani and ginaz, unless you aceppt Brian Herbert's expanded universe books as canon, which many people dont: he makes Ix house vernius, in the original Ix is never mentioned as a great house. The training schools and other entities like Ix, Richese is barely mentioned beyond it is specialized in miniaturization, Bene Gesserit, Guild, Bene Tleilaxu are far more important usually in the books. We also know next to nothing about the houses minor by name: the one the beast rabban is part of, a vassal of the harkonnens is the only one i can think of. There's a special planet? or planets? only the guild can access called Tupile, where defeated ones go, and the Bene Gesserit have a special planet with an extreme environment like Arrakis of their own, mentioned in Chapterhouse or Heretics. Every major house has "family atomics" usually forbidden to use. Interfamily warfare is governed according to the Imperial feudal constitution by rules and known as Kanly or vendetta.
The dune fans tend not to accept the other books that mention them as cannon due to the fact that Frank himself didn’t publish it. It’s a very extremist group of fans. Also a the lack of past mainstream appeal of dune kinda lends to this trend, which seems to be changing as dune takes over Star War’s spot as the favorite syfy franchise.
@@Socialistsflyfree I also preferr Franks work in its pure form, but am still thankful that his son did his best to continue the legacy. As for Dune taking over from Star Wars, that is just a phase which will pass. Eventually a new Sci Fi banger will come along and the Dune hype will dissipate. If there is any reason that Star Wars goes down the drain, then that is all thanks to Disney, but the fundament created by its predecessors and their hardcore fanbase will undoubtedly keep SW alive. Ofcourse Disney will claim this to be their doing, but the more they produce this money printing conveyorbelt garbage, the less valued it will be.
People can only make videos over what is covered in the source materials. Most of the other houses are only mentioned in relation to these three. The information does not exist in canon and any video on the other great houses would be speculation at best.
We have a family name Härkönen in Finland. It sounds about same pronounced. Never thought about the connection.
Gotta keep on your family lol
Herbert literally flipped a phone book in the 60s until he saw Harkonen and thought yeah, that sounds foreign enough. True story.
@@MrAsdasdasdasdasddd Harkonnen (Haakon = son of a noble) thus princes, What Herbert was realy looking for was a synonym for Princepi ( the first rulers of the Imperium Romanum ; the Julian ceasars. A split off from the julians are the Claudians (the house of Alpheus) or as what Herbert came up with, the house of Atreus. The house of Corrino is the descendence of Alexander the great, often depicted as a 2-horned god-son (Corn = Horn). And so on, Herbert constructed his lore based on classic antiqiety.
@@willempasterkamp862 sure, but there's a way simpler explanation above. An Ox is Härkä in Finnish and the Harkonnen family coat of arms happens to be an Ox. It's widely considered to be the canon explanation.
Hello cousin 😂😂😂
Now this is how you do a motion graphics explainer!
Thanks brotha!
It's honestly really cool the juxtaposition of Lady Jessica and Feyd-Reuth. Both are Harkonens and behave like them, and both show that Harkonen does NOT mean evil, but simply proud and driven. Feyd-Reuth displays some elements of respect and honor for his an Atreides opponent that earned his respect. His pride desires to fight an opponent using his real strength, and even though he won it with a trump card (I mean I don't blame him for not wanting to die), he honored rather than desecrating him after he killed him. There were even remarks of his potential character should he have been raised by another man. Lady Jessica is that 'what if' example.
Why did Lady Jessica choose to have Paul? She never says it outright, probably because she lied even to herself, but it definitely wasn't for Leto's sake. No, SHE wanted to give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach herself, and it's blatantly obvious considering how she raised Paul and her near-delusional hopes for him. Yes, he turned out to be the real deal, but she straight up took a massive risk of ruining a cause she otherwise did believe in, all because her pride wanted herself and not her daughter to raise the Kwisatz Haderach. The Duke wanted an heir, not the Kwisatz Haderach. She didn't even consider Paul's feelings in raising him to become what he was. This is a very Harkonen thing to do.
Paul didn't have enough Harkonen in him to be a proper Kwisatz Haderach. Feyd-Reuth's worst tendencies would have been tempered by a more powerful wife, and the potential son would have been a good and honorable person willing to do terrible things to be the Kwisatz Haderach. So was Paul, but Paul was forced to become what he became, he never wanted to be the Kwisatz Haderach. The potential son would have wanted to be the Kwisatz Haderach for the power alone, their pride would drive them and make them believe that themselves alone were worthy of such great power. They would not need circumstances to motivate them, they would be entirely self-motivated, and while they would certainly be brutally pragmatic, above that they would also be just and honorable.
Bit off topic, but this is my favorite part of Dune.
i dont get what you mean about Paul not having enough harkonnen in him to be the kwisatz haderach when Leto became the KH and his mom is fremen.
Funfact, Landsraad in Norwegian and probably other scandinavian languages means council of the land, or council of lands.
same as in Afrikaans.
Very similar in German too.
Herberts example was the roman senate existing out of roman patrician families (the houses), similar the space guild is based on the jewish sanhedrin existing out of sadducees (priests, star-watchers, navigators).
Same in Dutch
Wow 🤩This video is fantastic! Is this all Kyle’s work? Amazing 👏
so there are 7 houses, but never explains all 7. why is no one explaining the other 4? we know these 3.
Right!
I already know enough about the lore of Dune to understand the series, but I really like your graphic design, better then the comic actually 👍
The artwork is by Kyle; definitely check out his Instagram!! :)
@@AsArt Kyle who?
@AsArt, I too _love_ this graphic design seen in this video, and wish that it could be used in a comic book or future movie.
Love the style of the art, it reminds me of Mike mignolas work, would love to see an art book of this
Not gonna lie, I've never read the books, so I was really hoping you would talk about the great houses not just the main 3 that all other TH-cam videos talk about.
Thing is, there really isn't much information on that, we don't even have a cannon list of great houses in the landsrat.
based on the roman senate, there were a few patrician families (maybe a 100) that controlled the landsrad (assembly), it's very specific to determine each family even for proffessional historians, and Herbert for obvious reasons didn't.
I can't wait for Hardcore Vibes to have a revival.
The Imperium seems to model the Holy Roman Empire quite a bit, though I've never seen this written about as Herbert's inspiration. It's almost like the HRE were active in a mercantilist era which was more capitalistic than it was in our timeline... and controlled most of a galaxy.
this deserves more views
Do cover house Ordos as well!
*Subbed automatically.. great explanation!*
What happened to house attrieds/calladan after the massacre on arrakis?
It remains untouched as far as I know, Jessica makes sure the jihad does not reach Caladan, and doesn’t even allow any of Paul’s fedaykin to set foot on it. Since the Atreides empire conquers the known universe during both the jihad and Leto II’s reign, Caladan still belongs to house Atreides
@AgentMercer what was happening there when leto and the house was slaughtered on arrakis? Surely there were plenty of atreides left on calladan?
The graphics are dope🔥. Great vid I was looking for explanation about the houses/factions in Dune movie. How many houses are there in Dune?
"Thanks for the compliment, Jermaine! Glad we could give you some expanded info! In the first Dune book there are only 4 mentioned: Corrino, Atreides, Harkonnen, and Fenring. House Fenring is a minor house which is why it didn't make the cut for this video. It however weilds a certain level of power due to its relationship with the imperial house."
The Dune Encyclopedia mentions many more, such as Houses Wikkeiser, Moritani, Fenring, Ordos, Kenric, Wallach, etc.
@@williamking3301 oh wow so there’s more houses
@@jermainenowels9511 you might see some lore on house ordos but that isn't canon and was created for the Westwood strategy games based on the David Lynch movie
@@williamking3301 The Dune encyclopedia is not canon, or is not accepted as such by many. Herbert didnt say it was? It never says how many there are.
House Ekaz, House Richese, House Fenring... House name who come to my Mind.
Definitely an interesting tack to take, mixing details from Expanded Dune with the Dune Encyclopedia
why is Leto a Duke but Vladimir is just a Baron?
they mentioned that Harkonen used to be a minor house so that's probably why
ohhh okay, but with their rise in power, I thought they will make the leader a Duke. but well it's futuristic sci-fi anyway@@user-qp5xh9ky4t
@@dumbdumb5868 I think to earn a new title you either have to marry into it or get it given to you by the Emperor
Leto = Octavian augustus
Vladimir = Tiberius princeps (kind of an ursurper, without heirs himself)
Paul = Drusus germanicus (pretender, rightfull heir ; James the Just)
Because “Duke” is a title found in English royalty, and one the English-speaking audience would be familiar with and sympathetic to. “Baron” is more central- and Eastern European, and therefore connotes foreign-ness and harshness.
I love how each house has a different way of maintaining power and ensuring the loyalty of their people. House Corrino uses brute strength and idealism. House Atreides prefers diplomacy and inspiring legends. And House Harkonnen relies on good old fashioned exploitation and consumerism. All equally effective, all completely distinct
I must say this channel deserves more likes and subscribers, you can see the dedication towards making each and single video.
Outstanding primer! What is the music you use in the background?
I 100% thought your thumbnail said "DUNG"
is it okay to explain the Rise of House Ordos from the game version ?
They're not canon
@@amadysseus They should be. It's not right to have a series of 100 Great Houses and only ever hear of 3.
So someone please correct me if I'm wrong but basically these books are about humans in the future who get high off giant worm farts?
Yes but they have to be high to travel space safely
Yes, that is 100% correct. Well done.
@@shitbeausaysofficial that rocks
love Dune series but admit I am not interested in the worms the spice etc. But I find the space travel the Great Houses and the politics very interesting.
Can’t have one (space travel) without the other (spice & worms)
I wouldn't have had a problem with a longer video
The empress did Shaddam dirty.
They are the GREAT HOUSES!!! Spice must flow!
This is dope
What's the song that you used in the beginning in the background?
What song plssss
Finland? Shiiiiit :D
Suomi perkeleet, represent :)
How i would have wished Harkonnen to be the good guys and Atreides the bad guys. I say this because i loooove the name Harkonnen. I don't like their logo though. However, in spite of this, the harkonnens weren't always evil. We can know a great Harkonnen hero in Brian Herbert's and Kevin J. Anderson's The Butlerian Johad. Only Brian Herbert and his father know why they became evil.
They left selusa secundus because an unknown former noble family released atomics on the planet per one of the prequel books.
“Cymek-“
And I’m out.
Are the harkonen supposed to have hair in the books?
Yes, they’re ginger I think
Why is it named DUNG?
My God The House Harkonnen truly are from Finland!
Where’s the rest of the so called great houses?
As soon as Brian Herbert’s crap was referenced I checked out.
I'm reading the series right now, currently about to finish God Emperor, and I didn't realize that the Lansraad is the political organization of the great houses. I'm sure I should have realized that sooner but whatever lol
As a fan of House Ordos, I don't see much of them here. They are said to be the wealthiest House.
WHAT ABOUT THE INSIDIOUS ORDOS!
So I guess Tolkien's LOTR universe is much more detail and deep than Dune universe??
yeah but why do they use swords
Personal force fields (shields) block bullets in Dune, making melee combat more effective for infantry than handheld guns. Heavy weapons like artillery and explosives are still used, of course
All this video did was give a vague explanation of three houses that are already explained in the first book. Added nothing for anyone curious about deeper lore.
all this came from a man's head DAMN
Bro lied it’s 7:06 long not 7mins
Great Houses
But not really
👎
Disliked because you didn't tell us the great houses. You told us 3 of them.
Game of thrones Interstellar version
Wait there are only 3 houses?
Done 2 ended with other houses declaring war on Paul.. are there more houses?
Dislike. It doesn't serve its expectations. Only 3 main houses explained and we already know a lot about them.
How can they plan for a girl? Any Bene Gesserit voodoo I missed here?
Bene gesserit have mastery over all bodily functions, including being able to select the gender of their child
:> D
house harkonen is russia
Tbh Dune could have been much more compelling if it was written like GOT in space.
Warhammer 40 k Universe was brutal
There are at least another three Great Houses in Dune universe: House Richese, House Ordos, and House Fenring.
So I guess Tolkien's LOTR universe is much more detail and deep than Dune universe??