Spot on, we're already losing the Ambulance service to private American companies and at the latest count there 14 'managers' for every 1 doctor. We are eating ourselves from the inside out already and this all stems from 2008, banks and insurance companies want even more control on who loses before they do and are very much winning. It really won't be long before those that truly believe in the NHS and why it was created will be labeled Communist and a danger to the 'Capitalist good'.
Absolutely. My friend works for an agency in the hospital preparing food for patients. He receives minimum wage, but the agency who pay him (Serco) are charging the NHS nearly triple that. They could hire at least 2 full time staff for the same money as 1 agency staff.
Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting is all about outsourcing and private hands. He doesn't like them in house. It's baffling that as a country we only have "two" parties to actually choose from, when it comes to being in power due to the antiquated fptp system.
Former NHS therapist here: The problem here is we've been starved of staff and resources, to the point that we're losing experienced staff far faster than we can replace them. We physically CAN'T bring everything back in-house yet. We need to use the private sector to bring the waiting lists down while we build our capacity back up, otherwise we're totally doomed. I don't like it, but I don't see what choice we have, sadly.
@@alice1374he's a realist, fortunately. We'd be stuffed if the next health secretary was another ideologically-motivated lunatic. The NHS is on its knees, believe me. Telling it to get up isn't enough. It needs HELP.
*MY FRIEND IN AM3RIC4* was made redundant last month - she just paid her 1st month health insurance on OBAMA CARE - the bare minimum level cover $880 for 1 month....!!! Thats like 3rd party only on your car, not fully comp. That ONLY covers basic stuff and you STILL HAVE DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS - so if she needed a $50k operation next month SHE would have to pay the first $5k and then 30% of the full amount so $15k - total $20k on top of the $10,560 a year Obama care cover
The issue is not what system we employ for tye delivery of healthcare. Its how we pay for it. The reality is that if we are living longer, we are going to need more healthcare and inevitably, it will cost more. There is more real terms money being spent, more doctors and more nurses employed in the NHS than ever before. Yet its still not enough to meet demand. We need to be discussing how we do it.
Last thing we need is an American style medical insurance system. Half the population would have no access to healthcare. What we need is a government that will properly fund it and stop selling contracts to their friends!
The middle classes need more education on how to hate the poor. It's a horrible game, which it looks like the psychopaths will always win. The funny thing is, when they get what they think they want, they still won't be happy, because they can't be happy, they don't know what happiness is. It almost seem like the two world wars were commited for fake reasons, to enable this slide into the clutches of these fake gods who have control of the money system.
The only reason the NHS doesn't work is it's being run by contractors. Contractors are private entities with share holders and executive officer's. When the Tories say they're putting more money into the NHS what they mean is they're making more tax payers money available for tender by contractors. No money goes to point of contact with patients. They constantly prioritise accounting and publicity over real term medical needs. Oh, of course there are competent staff and equipment available within the structure, because the the low level private patients need a working system to access. The likes of Sunak and Tory donors don't even go near the system, nor do they want to. They know it's broken because they broke it ready to sell off.
@@nigelsynnott7344 there's lots of proof. My local hospital appointed a guy as head of HR, his experience was ONLY flying around the world collecting for oil giants. Every job he has put out have gone to his friends on contracts where they charge (in some cases) over £1000 per day but do little more than admin. They all work away in hotels or from home and there's no money to hire anyone else. So much waste, I've barely started on it
@@nigelsynnott7344 also, the cleaners were all fired and replaced by a contractor. Now they do a minimal clean twice a day and everything is dirty compared to the (much, much cheaper) employees they used to hire. The cleaning contract costs almost three times what they spent hiring their own cleaners - so it was never about cost or saving money...
@@ScandalUK The OP clamed the NHS was being run by contractors, when only parts of it are, not all of it. Here's Full Fact's take on it - "Some NHs services are outsourced to private providers. There's no one way to count this, but experts estimate between 7% and 22% of the healthcare budget goes to private providers", Even taking the highest figure of 22%, 78% is still spent in house. A long way from contactors running the NHS, as claimed by the OP. What is your source for cleaning costs being almost three times higher? Does your info come from an unbiased source and is it verifiable?
It's always the people who can afford private medical care that promote it. I am on a waiting list of over 20 weeks now. Paid NI all my life. I cannot afford private. Do not think the majority of the UK can afford private either. Well said Marina
I've a work colleagues who was boasting of his private medical insurance. I informed him that if he took ill he'd be ringing an ambulance and going in through the same door as everyone else. There was a look of disbelief on his face I think he assumed he'd be getting a private ambulance and jumping the line in A and E .
I've been on an outpatient surgical waiting list to even see a doctor to discuss options, not even for any treatment, for THREE YEARS (after the previous referral resulted in a locum saying "nobody in their right mind would go near that" and discharging me back to my GP lmao) and they text me every 4-6 months asking if I still need to see them. Nah, woke up magically better 2 years ago, that's how health works you know!!
Just remember every single year under the last labour government people were getting older and every single year the NHS got better. Same with money every year they put in more the system got better. It is not the population or the money that is the issue it is the incompetent government who is in charge of it.
The government is very competent...at funnelling taxpayer money from the bottom 98% of the population, to the top 2%. Their whole business model for the last 14 years, has been to oversee the greatest transfer of wealth from the general public and the public purse, into the hands of the wealthiest individuals and corporations.
We also weren't in even a fraction of the debt we're in now either. The Tories make all these cuts, force a decade of austerity, freeze wages, increase rent and mortgages and utilities and taxes on literally everything and yet everything is worse for us and we're in more debt as a country than ever before. And that was before all the formulated inflation happened. The last few years have been a nightmare none of us could have imagined, but they're all reporting record profits every quarter. Wonder why that is! Probably Labour's fault like everything else the Tories have done the past umpteen years.
A couple of years ago, I stumbled over a US research article. I noticed it because it compared US health system to the Danish one. I am Danish, so I read it. Their conclusion was that the US system cost twice as much, without getting more for the money. Lawyers and admin were the biggest parasites. A simple broken leg was double the price. Our system, here in DK, is very much like your NHS. You can't afford the US system. 2000 - 5000 USD is very normal for an ambulance. Not everybody has ambulance covered in their insurance. If you have a retuning issue, the insurance will raise. There are many examples on people have to leave the US, because of health problems, they can't get insured.
The principle of socialised medicine is sound, it is the implementation that is the problem, not least the PFI contracts signed by Gordon Brown that have forced NHS trusts into administration.
Pay twice with private health insurance, we already pay tax and national health where’s the money coming from on top of that we have had twenty years below inflation pay rises and a 4 year pay freeze?
yes but who owns everything theyve literally sold everything to their Chums by design.Their Elysium our Dystopian Nightmare.Ppl who vote for ANY Political Party need to understand Democracy is the CON the Money Men rule the World
Speak to any American and they will tell you that the NHS is The Eighth Wonder of the World. It may need reform and we are going through the massive post-war bulge in population which is a strain though the NHS is held together by immigrant health professionals. Hold on to the precious jewel that we have, please!
As an ex pat Brit living in the US I'm embarrassed and infuriated when I hear people here pretending to defend the failed US healthcare system. I'm just saddened when I hear people in Britain doing it. DON'T GO THAT ROUTE IT'S SHIT!
I know a couple that are wealthy enough to travel all around the world, one of whom is English the other a Yank. Much of the time they live in the USA (San Francisco). They're old and starting to fall to pieces, the husband who's English; his eye-sight started to suffer, so what did they do? They moved back to the UK and rented a house on Blackheath common for 2-3 years while he had all of the necessary eye surgery done here in the UK because there was no way on the planet that they could have afforded the Insurance for private health care in the USA.
It would help if the Tories were out for several elections - say 20 or 25 years. Meanwhile party funding should be regulated. I suggest a maximum donation to any party of £1000. They should also control media barons by creating a new libel court that would make it possible for ordinary people, free of cost, to sue newspapers. Even better, those companies should be made into employee ownership models, like John Lewis (and many others).
MP expenses should be dramatically reduced too. No more paying off your second mortgage and your mistresses remodel with public money. No more taxis for your briefcase. No more!
I did start early with medical insurance, it was called National Insurance. Where has all that I paid money gone? I spent 20 years living in USA, even though I paid a fortnightly subscription to be in the system, (the company I worked for paid 2/3 of the cost, how are you going to make that work?), I still had to pay out of pocket for the first $3,500 of medical costs before the insurance kicked in, and I had great and expensive policy. Then I had to pay a co-pay every time I went to see a Doctor, and all that assuming it was not classified as a pre-existing condition, when I would get nothing. This is what private insurance is about when you have a well paying job that offers this kind of insurance as a job benefit. But if it doesn't.....
What is never brought up in this whole insurance idea is the one of pre-exiting conditions. I have depression/ anxiety and even if I wanted to sign up, the costs would be much more than a mentally healthy person. Similarly if you already have asthma/ heart disease/ arthritis or many others the insurance companies will either refuse you or make the costs astronomical.
Spot on. I'm in my early thirties and have MS, either no insurer would accept me or the premiums would be set so high it would be totally unaffordable. The word eugenics springs to mind...
They know that. They just assume if we haven't already croaked from all the poverty and austerity and lack of support or care, food shortages at the food banks or not being able to afford heating in the winter, having literally no access to any healthcare at all even an often useless GP will be the final nail in the coffin. We aren't supposed to exist in their wealthy utopia.
Young people can't even afford to go out with their mates on payday, let alone buy themselves anything nice. Most of these people still live with their parents too. How are they going to afford private health insurance when they can barely cover bills? What an utter tit. Tories have run the NHS into the ground by outsourcing everything to their mates. Of course we've the money for the NHS, it needs to go back there directly instead to their chums.
The dentistry point s demonstrates why you need nhs NHS dentist has been whittled away to virtually nothing. People cannot afford private sector fees, so they and their kids go without.
Insurance companies don't provide cover for fun, they take a massive cut to pay salaries & bonuses to executives and dividends to shareholders. If only we had a state wide, not for profit scheme where the well off pay the largest contributions and poor people pay less but everybody gets health cover when they need it. We could call it something like, um ❓..... er❓.....💡National Insurance💡
My father in law was a dyed in the wool Tory and a strong advocate for private health care .At 70 years of age he needed an operation to remove a small tumour on his brain. The operation was less than successful and he never fully recovered spending the rest of his days in a wheelchair unable to walk or verbally communicate. The private insurance he relied upon was soon maxed out and consequently he was soon returned back to the care of the good old NHS to pick up the pieces for the remainder of his days.
“If you have insurance”- And how does insurance get the cost of procedures down? It doesn’t in America, it won’t here. If anyone tries to bring up red tape, just remember, the NHS has to deal with as much red tape as the Goverment tells them to.
People who say "pay for private healthcare" are the same people who tell you paying tax is a bad thing. In reality,they couldn't raise tax to the amount private healthcare would cost, because they'd be rolling on excess money. Shareholders are the only people who benefit from private healthcare.
The amount people pay in tax which goes to the NHS is tiny compared to the amount they would pay in private health insurance , which of course would get higher with age and as people develop long term and costly conditions . If they think their tax would go down to compensate they will have a shock . The only winners would be the shareholders of the private health firms.
That’s the Tory plan, Scrap National insurance and we’ll all have to just get health insurance and private pensions. Less work for the government and a lot more money for their mates in the private sector.
*MY FRIEND IN AM3RIC4* was made redundant last month - she just paid her 1st month health insurance on OBAMA CARE - the bare minimum level cover $880 for 1 month....!!! Thats like 3rd party only on your car, not fully comp. That ONLY covers basic stuff and you STILL HAVE DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS - so if she needed a $50k operation next month SHE would have to pay the first $5k and then 30% of the full amount so $15k - total $20k on top of the $10,560 a year Obama care cover
I work across 9 surgeries in a maintenance capacity. They're full of doctors who're contracted by the NHS. None of them work for it directly. That's where all this wasted money is going. The NHS is bloated with private contracts. This needs to stop. Even if it means sacrificing my job in the process. I'd take that over the greater good.
Modality need to do one. All this money on new systems and 10 surgeries within a mile radius but no doctors actually working past 3pm and 4 appointments a piece distributed by 8:01am. Can't book in advance either. Fill in the online form and they'll decide if you need to see anyone today, otherwise fill it in again if it gets worse. Useless waste of money.
I can see my doctor whenever I want, or my gynecologist or my dentist. There's a couple of weeks to wait for hospital treatment. I pay 22% of gross income for social security cover. I also pay 50€ a month mutuelle top up insurance. Healthcare costs are regulated here. I'm in France
You are a powerful voice and so glad that you air your views correct and educate these fools and not only that educating the public which is a massive need.
In the US they pay twice as much in taxes, then insurance on top but they are not guaranteed treatment. It's inefficient because there are profits taken out of the system at every level
getting insurance to cover that just means hospitals will start to charge more and more and more, with the result that people that can't afford or get cover, will also have to pay these inflated prices..... just like what is happening in the US
But the issue isn’t that the state can’t afford it, the issue has been that the state has stripped away everything until there’s no other option but private healthcare. Why should the public pay for both free and private healthcare just to access what is considered by many to be a basic right in this country?
When ill, I generally prefer to go to the doctor than to an insurance company. Insurance is essentially gambling, and the house always wins.(Guess who loses)
Privatisation has worked like such a charm so far hasn't it? Forget privatisation, I'm all for the renationalisation of so many of the vital public services we've already flogged off to profiteers.
Centrica CEO has been calling for a removal of daily standing charges and a social tariff for gas and electric. Like.. he runs the companies that supply (and so charge for) the power, but he can't do that himself? The government body that regulates the costs has to do it instead? The body that was only introduced in 2018 was it? Just before everything went up the creek? Hmmmmmm wonder what's going on there...
The national insurance payments we all make is a health insurance or at least it's supposed to be Private health insurance schemes only benefit tose who have shares in the companies selling them.
Fourteen years ago we had one of the best, if not THE BEST, free health-care systems in the world. Demographics do not change that significantly over such a time period, so the reason why the NHS is in the mess it's in now is because the Tories wanted to break it in order to bring in the American model - where people injured in RTA's scream at people not to call an ambulance for fear of losing their house ... madness.
The NHS was at its highest rating ever when the Tories took over, so if it’s just solely due to aging population, why weren’t we feeling it 14 years ago?
Even if we had insurance to cover all medical /health issues I think there would still be huge problems and wouldnt the premuims go up if we could afford insurance
We’ll vote the NHS away just like we’re voting our freedoms away and voting our social safety nets away - cos of little boats. And then we’ll blame the occupants for it. Lol I’m off to get mullered cos yeah I just am.
Genuinely no wonder so many people are off sick with mental health problems when you look at how bloody awful everything is and there's no hope at all of it getting better.
If you have insurance and put in a claim your payments will probably increase as you will now be considered a higher risk. God forbid that, like my sister, you have heart issues that necessitate having 4 operations. Insurance might cover the first operation, but will it cover the second or do you then have to sell your house? And if you do sell the house to pay for the second operation, what is left to sell for the third and fourth operations? For capitalists, and the Tories ARE capitalists, it’s all about making money and if poor people die, hey they don’t live long enough to claim the state pension. Win, win for the Tories.
With the increase of private health care business now running so much of the nhs taking profits before anyone gets care, and the system as a hole so broken up no wonder it in such a mess. A family member of mine has gone deaf, she had a hearing test at the gp then one at a private clinic now running the nhs hearing services who sent back to the gp what they found them she had to go back to the private clinic for a third test to see what aid she needed and was told they can't use the second test due to it being private for the gp so three test in all twice for the same company!!?... Privatized health care is the problem..
My Gramps partner recently had a heart attack in the shower and he was told it would take 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive ( we live 15 mins drive from the hospital). He's 83 years old and was luckily able to get her into the car and drive her there himself.
Why is this such an issue here in the UK and not in other European countries ? Countries like Germany France Italy and Spain also have their versions of our NHS and they seem to be working fine with no issues whatsoever .
Dentistry was always at arm’s length from the NHS. They’re private practitioners, first and foremost, carrying out NHS work; and getting paid inadequately for the privilege. Getting paid inadequately is a given for any public sector workers full stop under a Tory regime though
I used to live in the Netherlands which is one of the EU countries with a private healthcare system, all I can say it felt 3rd world compared to the NHS. 1. They just didn't care about you were made to feel like you should be grateful as it wasn't as bad as the US 🙄 2. Even though it was run as not for profit each condition had a yearly budget to it; irrespective if the treatment was suitable or not you’d get the cheapest possible treatment, if you didn't like either get your consultant to argue your case (most wouldn't) or you’d pay extra, if you couldn't afford it there was always euthanasia if things got so bad. 3. 1 in 4 people avoid healthcare due to the costs. Source: SP party leader Jimmy Dijk is proposed bill to remove health insurance excess Dec ‘23.
I worked as an RN in both the Private and Public sector and believe me when I say Public is far superior. Many times patients who developed severe consequences from treatment in Private hospitals were transferred to Public in order to save their lives. Everywhere in the world, and I've worked in a few, which relies too heavily on "For profit" care are finding it is far worse than universal healthcare and costs far more in taxpayer subsidies. Why? Because it is "FOR PROFIT" and all politicians have shares in "For Profit."
In the US expenditure on health services is twice what we have here. They also have worse outcomes and significant out of pocket expenses on top of the tax and private insurance money they have to pay
People advocating for private insurance always seem to act like they don’t understand how insurance works. There are three main differences between a private system and a public system: 1. Public systems spread risk across the entire country, making them far more cost effective (and until 2011 the NHS had consolidated budgets and economies of scale too, but the Tories put a stop to that in order to make the NHS less efficient so that private providers could compete with it). 2. Private systems must extract more profit each quarter in order to survive, making the costs constantly increase. State systems have much more stable costs which only increase in response to changing economic circumstances (which will also affect private costs in addition to the constant need to increase profits). 3. Private systems have the “advantage” of kicking poor people off the bottom of the ladder and leaving them to get sick and die. That way the private system doesn’t have to pay for them, giving the illusion of a more efficient system. Doesn’t change the fact that they make up for having less customers by just charging the remaining ones more for their insurance and healthcare. How else will profits increase, of course? ;) Those are the main differences. Any pretence that private systems are more efficient is based on illusions and lies (and at best misunderstandings by people who have been tricked by those illusions and lies). Any pretence that private healthcare is overall cheaper for the public is an outright lie. Any pretence that a private system means you only pay for your own care is a lie as well because an insurance system always involves paying for other people’s healthcare even if you never need it yourself. That’s how insurance of any kind works. Not to mention that these private healthcare shills don’t mention that the model they ultimately want for the U.K. is one where they get paid twice: first by the taxpayer for government contracts, then by the public when they try to access that care. Public healthcare is so efficient that economists give it a quantitative multiplier of over 8. That means that for every £1 that goes into a public healthcare system, the country gets £8 back. This was the case in 2010, when the NHS was rated as the best healthcare system IN THE WORLD. The reason it’s in such bad shape is massive Tory privatisation and intentional mismanagement so that they can hand out lucrative contracts to lobbyists, donors, and rich friends at the taxpayer’s expense. Now they want to convince you that more of this poison is the medicine you need to fix the problem they created. Private healthcare is and has always been a con.
The privatisation model for natural monopolies is an utter con. The profit motive / competition alone only works in well regulated situations. By paying lip service to regulation and have de-fanged and de-clawed regulators "The light touch model" we've successive governments preside over situations where we, the public, are paying more for an objectively worse service. Can anyone name a privatised natural monopoly in the last 40 years that is demonstrably better at providing the service than it's pre-privatised state?
As an American who moved to the UK in 1997 I found the NHS to be a modern wonder of the world. I grew up without regular healthcare and only saw a dentist when I joined the Army. We lived in constant dread of injury or illness that we couldn’t afford to have treated unless it was life threatening. Yes, healthcare costs. But it’s not cheaper when you add in profit margins for a private owner class, it just means fewer people get better care and the race is on to see how few will yield the maximum profits. The rest will be left to disability and death. I know this because my brother just died at 50 right before Christmas because of long term untreated but treatable chronic illness. It’s not too late to save the NHS. And if you actually value lives it won’t even be too expensive.
If you introduce an insurance model you would need around 250,000 people to administer it And The government would still pick up the bill for pensioners, poor and disabled, it costs around 3000 per person currently and the ones needing the most treatments would still have to be paid for with taxes Its utter economic madness
We need the NHS. We don't want to be Americanised where you have to pay for hospital treatment it will cause more deaths especially for those who cannot afford it.. the NHS is Englands greatest achievement
The NHS is funded and exists simply to heal you. An insurer exists to make a profit, healing you is a cost for them. Why would the UK insert a private insurer in-between simply to extract a profit?
Fortunately the Tories don't have enough time to do much more damage before they have to have an election and hopefully that's the last we ever see of them.
@Darren-pq5oc eh, depends on the need, I've had to wait a month+ to see my PCP for a back injury or a check up. Had a $1.3K bill for an ER trip after a concussion (no imaging or ambulance)
The UK economy is simply not prosperous or big enough to implement private healthcare on mass even if it wanted to. You can take pressure off the NHS by properly funding and managing the NHS...
Worked in the insurane industry most of my working life. INSURANCE ADDS ITS OVERHEAD AND PROFIT TO COST. Mike should be able to draw the logical conclusion that this coststge customer even more.
I don't understand how this is even a question. The UK is the 6th richest country in the world but can't afford to provide healthcare for everyone? How is it that there are many (much poorer countries (I live in one) that have more rapidly aging populations, and less wealth, yet they manage to provide a FAR better health service than the UK? Could it be that ALL THAT WEALTH goes UNTAXED? Could it possibly be that these ridiculous NHS "trusts" do nothing but add more management? Or maybe those trusts are required BY LAW to include private healthcare providers on their boards as well as, BY LAW, requiring contracts to be handed out to those PHPs? The Tories rely on the population not being interested in politics, so their scandalous behaviour goes completely unreported (of course, the Tories' client media bears a significant portion of the blame, here)
Because all the wealth is held by a tiny number of people, we may be the 6th richest country in the world but more than 20% of the population is in poverty.
@@davidorf3921the top 10% of earners pay 60% of total UK tax receipts. The top 1% of earners pay 30% of the total UK tax receipts. We have 17 registered billionaires in the UK. Our wealth is measured in GDP. We do not have a large percentage of millionaires, let alone billionaires compared to other countries. Our taxation norms are one of the highest in the developed world. We do not define poverty in the same way Eastern Europe, Asia or Africa does. What is defined as poor in this country would be defined as well off in most of the rest of the world. Just thought a little bit of context would be useful.
@@davidorf3921 Absolutely. No argument from me. The UK government love to roll this figure out at every turn, as if it's some sort of trophy. It's not. And it's not because so many of those ultra-wealthy people pay accountants to ensure that they pay less tax. The fallacy of having fewer civil servants is that the cou7ntry no longer has enough civil servants to write the new tax codes, so they have to second tax experts from... those same accountancy firms, resulting in even less revenue for HMG! Ask me how I know all this.
We do pay for it though National insurance but the tories have privatised most of the NHS and large potion of that money is paid in profits before a single person is treated
How the hell does he expect poorer people to find the extra money to cover health insurance when there is already so much poverty and people are dying of want and need! It’s purely government policy that has put us where we are now! It’s all been manipulated to bring us to the point where people like him can claim that health insurance is the only way forwards. If people are dying from lack of care now, there will be many many more people dying from lack of care if we introduce mandatory health insurance! 🤬
A few weeks ago I had an anaphylactic shock and stopped breathing at home. If my daughter wasn’t with me and able to manhandle my dead weight into the car and drive at breakneck speed to A&E, I’d be dead because it took over an hour for an ambulance to arrive. I have private health insurance but it’s our NHS that are saving lives and if they can’t get the funding they need, more lives will be lost.
So basically condemn millions to no health care. I don't remember being asked if we wanted to sell off the NHS that we've all paid for. I remember a lot of people now pushing for us to go private, claiming for years that the NHS would never be privatised. It's our NHS, we've all paid for it. Why does this country hate ordinary folk like me and want to make life even harder, when some of us already aren't coping as it is? I hate this country, and because of the Tories, I'm too skint to leave.
The NHS can use collective bargaining/ bulk buying to lower prices. It can provide health care at signifcantly lower costs than the private sector (which cuts corners by not having things scuh as intensive care, any complications go back to the NHS ). Privatisation of public utilities- how did that go? How did NHS dentistry go? The grass is not greener on the other side- any system will collapse if you choose not to fund it properly/ divert to private initiatives such as PFI and spend extortiionate rates on outside managment consultants Private healthcare cuts wait times by denying access to those who cant afford it. Wallet rather than need
They need to stop outsourcing NHS contracts and bring them back in house. The Tories are all about shifting public money in to private hands.
Spot on, we're already losing the Ambulance service to private American companies and at the latest count there 14 'managers' for every 1 doctor. We are eating ourselves from the inside out already and this all stems from 2008, banks and insurance companies want even more control on who loses before they do and are very much winning. It really won't be long before those that truly believe in the NHS and why it was created will be labeled Communist and a danger to the 'Capitalist good'.
Absolutely. My friend works for an agency in the hospital preparing food for patients. He receives minimum wage, but the agency who pay him (Serco) are charging the NHS nearly triple that. They could hire at least 2 full time staff for the same money as 1 agency staff.
Labour's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting is all about outsourcing and private hands. He doesn't like them in house.
It's baffling that as a country we only have "two" parties to actually choose from, when it comes to being in power due to the antiquated fptp system.
Former NHS therapist here:
The problem here is we've been starved of staff and resources, to the point that we're losing experienced staff far faster than we can replace them. We physically CAN'T bring everything back in-house yet.
We need to use the private sector to bring the waiting lists down while we build our capacity back up, otherwise we're totally doomed.
I don't like it, but I don't see what choice we have, sadly.
@@alice1374he's a realist, fortunately. We'd be stuffed if the next health secretary was another ideologically-motivated lunatic.
The NHS is on its knees, believe me. Telling it to get up isn't enough. It needs HELP.
Just look at the American model of healthcare and medical bankruptcy, that should be enough to end all debates for privatisation
True
Plus the poor outcomes.
*MY FRIEND IN AM3RIC4* was made redundant last month - she just paid her 1st month health insurance on OBAMA CARE - the bare minimum level cover $880 for 1 month....!!!
Thats like 3rd party only on your car, not fully comp. That ONLY covers basic stuff and you STILL HAVE DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS - so if she needed a $50k operation next month SHE would have to pay the first $5k and then 30% of the full amount so $15k - total $20k on top of the $10,560 a year Obama care cover
The issue is not what system we employ for tye delivery of healthcare. Its how we pay for it.
The reality is that if we are living longer, we are going to need more healthcare and inevitably, it will cost more.
There is more real terms money being spent, more doctors and more nurses employed in the NHS than ever before.
Yet its still not enough to meet demand.
We need to be discussing how we do it.
@@piccalillipit9211: IQ45 was supposed to "repeal and replace" The Affordable Care Act. I wonder why he did never?
Thank you Marina keep doing the good work you are a saint and national treasure
You lefties are funny 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Last thing we need is an American style medical insurance system. Half the population would have no access to healthcare. What we need is a government that will properly fund it and stop selling contracts to their friends!
Ah yes, because insurance providers are famous for immediately paying out the full amount in every instance. What an absolute tool!
What a contemptible human being. The Tories’ answer for everything, privatise it.
And as it's obvious with the water system, it's really not a good idea.
@@glennjanot8128 agree 💯
The middle classes need more education on how to hate the poor. It's a horrible game, which it looks like the psychopaths will always win. The funny thing is, when they get what they think they want, they still won't be happy, because they can't be happy, they don't know what happiness is.
It almost seem like the two world wars were commited for fake reasons, to enable this slide into the clutches of these fake gods who have control of the money system.
And make sure they trouser some of the profits whilst they're at it.
Getting life and health insurance doesn’t make an imaginary ambulance turn up when you need one
It certainly doesn't when you have to pay a couple of grand for the privilege as well.
The only reason the NHS doesn't work is it's being run by contractors. Contractors are private entities with share holders and executive officer's.
When the Tories say they're putting more money into the NHS what they mean is they're making more tax payers money available for tender by contractors. No money goes to point of contact with patients. They constantly prioritise accounting and publicity over real term medical needs. Oh, of course there are competent staff and equipment available within the structure, because the the low level private patients need a working system to access.
The likes of Sunak and Tory donors don't even go near the system, nor do they want to. They know it's broken because they broke it ready to sell off.
Thanks…
Your proof the NHS is being run by contractors is?
@@nigelsynnott7344 there's lots of proof. My local hospital appointed a guy as head of HR, his experience was ONLY flying around the world collecting for oil giants. Every job he has put out have gone to his friends on contracts where they charge (in some cases) over £1000 per day but do little more than admin. They all work away in hotels or from home and there's no money to hire anyone else. So much waste, I've barely started on it
@@nigelsynnott7344 also, the cleaners were all fired and replaced by a contractor. Now they do a minimal clean twice a day and everything is dirty compared to the (much, much cheaper) employees they used to hire. The cleaning contract costs almost three times what they spent hiring their own cleaners - so it was never about cost or saving money...
@@ScandalUK The OP clamed the NHS was being run by contractors, when only parts of it are, not all of it.
Here's Full Fact's take on it - "Some NHs services are outsourced to private providers. There's no one way to count this, but experts estimate between 7% and 22% of the healthcare budget goes to private providers",
Even taking the highest figure of 22%, 78% is still spent in house. A long way from contactors running the NHS, as claimed by the OP.
What is your source for cleaning costs being almost three times higher? Does your info come from an unbiased source and is it verifiable?
It's always the people who can afford private medical care that promote it. I am on a waiting list of over 20 weeks now. Paid NI all my life. I cannot afford private. Do not think the majority of the UK can afford private either. Well said Marina
I can't even afford home & car insurance had to make big cut backs.
@melanieah5501 it's just so wrong, isn't it.
I've a work colleagues who was boasting of his private medical insurance. I informed him that if he took ill he'd be ringing an ambulance and going in through the same door as everyone else. There was a look of disbelief on his face I think he assumed he'd be getting a private ambulance and jumping the line in A and E .
I've been on an outpatient surgical waiting list to even see a doctor to discuss options, not even for any treatment, for THREE YEARS (after the previous referral resulted in a locum saying "nobody in their right mind would go near that" and discharging me back to my GP lmao) and they text me every 4-6 months asking if I still need to see them. Nah, woke up magically better 2 years ago, that's how health works you know!!
Something goes wrong post private surgery and guess what... You're back to relying on the NHS.🤬🤬🤬
Just remember every single year under the last labour government people were getting older and every single year the NHS got better. Same with money every year they put in more the system got better. It is not the population or the money that is the issue it is the incompetent government who is in charge of it.
Well said Alex!
The government is very competent...at funnelling taxpayer money from the bottom 98% of the population, to the top 2%.
Their whole business model for the last 14 years, has been to oversee the greatest transfer of wealth from the general public and the public purse, into the hands of the wealthiest individuals and corporations.
We also weren't in even a fraction of the debt we're in now either. The Tories make all these cuts, force a decade of austerity, freeze wages, increase rent and mortgages and utilities and taxes on literally everything and yet everything is worse for us and we're in more debt as a country than ever before. And that was before all the formulated inflation happened. The last few years have been a nightmare none of us could have imagined, but they're all reporting record profits every quarter. Wonder why that is! Probably Labour's fault like everything else the Tories have done the past umpteen years.
It’s doesn’t work so let’s end it.
That’s how the people now think about the Tories..
Worked with the European Union, it's been wonderful since departing and not at all a divisive depressing hellscape
Why doe it not work after 14 years of tory govt. That is the question
After 14 years of failures , they still bla bla bla. they should be quiet 🤫 while moving out.
@@patrickporter1864Because they have obsessed with mass immigration far more than even labour.
Funnily enough that's also how the Tories think about people!
My 75 year old mum started talking up the American healthcare system. She reads the daily Mail . It is scary what her generation will fall for.
A couple of years ago, I stumbled over a US research article. I noticed it because it compared US health system to the Danish one. I am Danish, so I read it. Their conclusion was that the US system cost twice as much, without getting more for the money. Lawyers and admin were the biggest parasites. A simple broken leg was double the price.
Our system, here in DK, is very much like your NHS. You can't afford the US system. 2000 - 5000 USD is very normal for an ambulance. Not everybody has ambulance covered in their insurance.
If you have a retuning issue, the insurance will raise. There are many examples on people have to leave the US, because of health problems, they can't get insured.
Number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is folks unable to pay their rip off medical bills
If we lose the NHS then greed and corruption has overcome kindness and love.
The principle of socialised medicine is sound, it is the implementation that is the problem, not least the PFI contracts signed by Gordon Brown that have forced NHS trusts into administration.
Mike Parry is the biggest single reason I no longer watch the Jeremy Vine program. He is utterly contemptable.
Pity we can't send people like him to Rwanda.
Jeremy vine is the reason I never watch the Jeremy vine show
@@strandedstarfish Now I understand why he supports the Tories.
Carole Malone really gets under my skin. She`s a right cow!
@@arthurtaylor2496 yes yes now
Nailed it as ever Marina 👏 why do they want to force more costs on to the very poorest.
The poorest can't fight back...and don't donate to Tory election campaigns.
Pay twice with private health insurance, we already pay tax and national health where’s the money coming from on top of that we have had twenty years below inflation pay rises and a 4 year pay freeze?
The Tories have systematically privatised and sold off chunks of the NHS along with everything else. We live in a rentier state now.
Let’s not forget it was also Labour who started to sell hosptial grounds and make car parks private too
@@collettefarran6190Yes, but the NHS was much better under the last labour government.
yes but who owns everything theyve literally sold everything to their Chums by design.Their Elysium our Dystopian Nightmare.Ppl who vote for ANY Political Party need to understand Democracy is the CON the Money Men rule the World
Speak to any American and they will tell you that the NHS is The Eighth Wonder of the World. It may need reform and we are going through the massive post-war bulge in population which is a strain though the NHS is held together by immigrant health professionals. Hold on to the precious jewel that we have, please!
As an ex pat Brit living in the US I'm embarrassed and infuriated when I hear people here pretending to defend the failed US healthcare system. I'm just saddened when I hear people in Britain doing it. DON'T GO THAT ROUTE IT'S SHIT!
I know a couple that are wealthy enough to travel all around the world, one of whom is English the other a Yank. Much of the time they live in the USA (San Francisco). They're old and starting to fall to pieces, the husband who's English; his eye-sight started to suffer, so what did they do? They moved back to the UK and rented a house on Blackheath common for 2-3 years while he had all of the necessary eye surgery done here in the UK because there was no way on the planet that they could have afforded the Insurance for private health care in the USA.
@@someblokecalleddave1Londoners.
@@someblokecalleddave1 Two thirds of personal bankruptcy cases in the US because of medical costs.
It would help if the Tories were out for several elections - say 20 or 25 years. Meanwhile party funding should be regulated. I suggest a maximum donation to any party of £1000. They should also control media barons by creating a new libel court that would make it possible for ordinary people, free of cost, to sue newspapers. Even better, those companies should be made into employee ownership models, like John Lewis (and many others).
MP expenses should be dramatically reduced too. No more paying off your second mortgage and your mistresses remodel with public money. No more taxis for your briefcase. No more!
Have more goverment insurance then , why fill the pockets of shareholders yet again.
That will fill the pockets of commercial companies.
If the average person could afford private healthcare, wouldn't they already have it?
I did start early with medical insurance, it was called National Insurance. Where has all that I paid money gone? I spent 20 years living in USA, even though I paid a fortnightly subscription to be in the system, (the company I worked for paid 2/3 of the cost, how are you going to make that work?), I still had to pay out of pocket for the first $3,500 of medical costs before the insurance kicked in, and I had great and expensive policy. Then I had to pay a co-pay every time I went to see a Doctor, and all that assuming it was not classified as a pre-existing condition, when I would get nothing. This is what private insurance is about when you have a well paying job that offers this kind of insurance as a job benefit. But if it doesn't.....
What is never brought up in this whole insurance idea is the one of pre-exiting conditions. I have depression/ anxiety and even if I wanted to sign up, the costs would be much more than a mentally healthy person. Similarly if you already have asthma/ heart disease/ arthritis or many others the insurance companies will either refuse you or make the costs astronomical.
Spot on. I'm in my early thirties and have MS, either no insurer would accept me or the premiums would be set so high it would be totally unaffordable. The word eugenics springs to mind...
They know that. They just assume if we haven't already croaked from all the poverty and austerity and lack of support or care, food shortages at the food banks or not being able to afford heating in the winter, having literally no access to any healthcare at all even an often useless GP will be the final nail in the coffin. We aren't supposed to exist in their wealthy utopia.
Parry used to do a talksport breakfast show.
He was regularly voted as idiot of the week.
Nowt much changes!
Young people can't even afford to go out with their mates on payday, let alone buy themselves anything nice. Most of these people still live with their parents too. How are they going to afford private health insurance when they can barely cover bills? What an utter tit. Tories have run the NHS into the ground by outsourcing everything to their mates. Of course we've the money for the NHS, it needs to go back there directly instead to their chums.
Well said
I despise the Tories, but there is no difference between them and Labour. They're a extension of the Tories. I can't see Labour fixing anything.
@@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841
Exactly. All PLOT TICIANS are CORRUPT and are cut from the same DIRTY cloth.
@@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 well at least give some ones else a try because 14 years of crap as took its toll .
Honestly Marina i dont know how you can listen to him so and not just want to throttle him! You really are a voice of reason!
The dentistry point s demonstrates why you need nhs
NHS dentist has been whittled away to virtually nothing. People cannot afford private sector fees, so they and their kids go without.
Insurance companies don't provide cover for fun, they take a massive cut to pay salaries & bonuses to executives and dividends to shareholders.
If only we had a state wide, not for profit scheme where the well off pay the largest contributions and poor people pay less but everybody gets health cover when they need it.
We could call it something like, um ❓..... er❓.....💡National Insurance💡
That's a great idea!
You should hire a bodyguard though
Those Tories will be out to get you for that!
My father in law was a dyed in the wool Tory and a strong advocate for private health care .At 70 years of age he needed an operation to remove a small tumour on his brain. The operation was less than successful and he never fully recovered spending the rest of his days in a wheelchair unable to walk or verbally communicate. The private insurance he relied upon was soon maxed out and consequently he was soon returned back to the care of the good old NHS to pick up the pieces for the remainder of his days.
“If you have insurance”- And how does insurance get the cost of procedures down? It doesn’t in America, it won’t here.
If anyone tries to bring up red tape, just remember, the NHS has to deal with as much red tape as the Goverment tells them to.
The problem is insurance companies don’t like to payout.
Correct people forget they are businesses anyone who's tired claiming on car insurance should know that it's a nightmare.
People who say "pay for private healthcare" are the same people who tell you paying tax is a bad thing.
In reality,they couldn't raise tax to the amount private healthcare would cost, because they'd be rolling on excess money.
Shareholders are the only people who benefit from private healthcare.
The amount people pay in tax which goes to the NHS is tiny compared to the amount they would pay in private health insurance , which of course would get higher with age and as people develop long term and costly conditions . If they think their tax would go down to compensate they will have a shock . The only winners would be the shareholders of the private health firms.
That’s the Tory plan, Scrap National insurance and we’ll all have to just get health insurance and private pensions. Less work for the government and a lot more money for their mates in the private sector.
*MY FRIEND IN AM3RIC4* was made redundant last month - she just paid her 1st month health insurance on OBAMA CARE - the bare minimum level cover $880 for 1 month....!!!
Thats like 3rd party only on your car, not fully comp. That ONLY covers basic stuff and you STILL HAVE DEDUCTIBLES AND COPAYS - so if she needed a $50k operation next month SHE would have to pay the first $5k and then 30% of the full amount so $15k - total $20k on top of the $10,560 a year Obama care cover
I work across 9 surgeries in a maintenance capacity. They're full of doctors who're contracted by the NHS. None of them work for it directly. That's where all this wasted money is going.
The NHS is bloated with private contracts. This needs to stop. Even if it means sacrificing my job in the process. I'd take that over the greater good.
Modality need to do one. All this money on new systems and 10 surgeries within a mile radius but no doctors actually working past 3pm and 4 appointments a piece distributed by 8:01am. Can't book in advance either. Fill in the online form and they'll decide if you need to see anyone today, otherwise fill it in again if it gets worse. Useless waste of money.
I can see my doctor whenever I want, or my gynecologist or my dentist. There's a couple of weeks to wait for hospital treatment. I pay 22% of gross income for social security cover. I also pay 50€ a month mutuelle top up insurance. Healthcare costs are regulated here. I'm in France
@Darren-pq5oc we're not lucky, we pay for it. However, unlike American healthcare the price here is regulated by the government.
You are a powerful voice and so glad that you air your views correct and educate these fools and not only that educating the public which is a massive need.
In the US they pay twice as much in taxes, then insurance on top but they are not guaranteed treatment. It's inefficient because there are profits taken out of the system at every level
getting insurance to cover that just means hospitals will start to charge more and more and more, with the result that people that can't afford or get cover, will also have to pay these inflated prices..... just like what is happening in the US
But the issue isn’t that the state can’t afford it, the issue has been that the state has stripped away everything until there’s no other option but private healthcare. Why should the public pay for both free and private healthcare just to access what is considered by many to be a basic right in this country?
When ill, I generally prefer to go to the doctor than to an insurance company. Insurance is essentially gambling, and the house always wins.(Guess who loses)
Privatisation has worked like such a charm so far hasn't it?
Forget privatisation, I'm all for the renationalisation of so many of the vital public services we've already flogged off to profiteers.
Centrica CEO has been calling for a removal of daily standing charges and a social tariff for gas and electric. Like.. he runs the companies that supply (and so charge for) the power, but he can't do that himself? The government body that regulates the costs has to do it instead? The body that was only introduced in 2018 was it? Just before everything went up the creek? Hmmmmmm wonder what's going on there...
gov can but didnt. if you under fund it looks broken. Private system will be more expensive. Does anyone get this basic fact?
The national insurance payments we all make is a health insurance or at least it's supposed to be
Private health insurance schemes only benefit tose who have shares in the companies selling them.
I don't know how you put up with the rubbish that he and malone spout. You deserve a medal
Private healthcare insurance very similar to car insurance; keep claiming the premiums rise.
Fourteen years ago we had one of the best, if not THE BEST, free health-care systems in the world. Demographics do not change that significantly over such a time period, so the reason why the NHS is in the mess it's in now is because the Tories wanted to break it in order to bring in the American model - where people injured in RTA's scream at people not to call an ambulance for fear of losing their house ... madness.
The NHS was at its highest rating ever when the Tories took over, so if it’s just solely due to aging population, why weren’t we feeling it 14 years ago?
Even if we had insurance to cover all medical /health issues I think there would still be huge problems and wouldnt the premuims go up if we could afford insurance
Hi thats fine nd if they can't afford it??not everybody earns silly pounds like him
Pay tax's get nothing back mmmmm
Only the rich will get anything for the tax they already don't pay.
No Money Down Here....We Die then Dude WTF.
hahaha that's the point of them underfunding the NHS, that was the plan so that we think privatisation is a good thing. It's deliberate hahaaha
We’ll vote the NHS away just like we’re voting our freedoms away and voting our social safety nets away - cos of little boats. And then we’ll blame the occupants for it. Lol I’m off to get mullered cos yeah I just am.
Genuinely no wonder so many people are off sick with mental health problems when you look at how bloody awful everything is and there's no hope at all of it getting better.
Healthcare insurance just like car insurance, keep making claims and the premiums increase
If you have insurance and put in a claim your payments will probably increase as you will now be considered a higher risk. God forbid that, like my sister, you have heart issues that necessitate having 4 operations. Insurance might cover the first operation, but will it cover the second or do you then have to sell your house? And if you do sell the house to pay for the second operation, what is left to sell for the third and fourth operations? For capitalists, and the Tories ARE capitalists, it’s all about making money and if poor people die, hey they don’t live long enough to claim the state pension. Win, win for the Tories.
With the increase of private health care business now running so much of the nhs taking profits before anyone gets care, and the system as a hole so broken up no wonder it in such a mess. A family member of mine has gone deaf, she had a hearing test at the gp then one at a private clinic now running the nhs hearing services who sent back to the gp what they found them she had to go back to the private clinic for a third test to see what aid she needed and was told they can't use the second test due to it being private for the gp so three test in all twice for the same company!!?... Privatized health care is the problem..
Marina is a voice of reason.
Of course ‘life insurance’ we can all afford to do that. So out of touch
When people call for the end of NHS, those people need to be asked to explain the American health system.
My Gramps partner recently had a heart attack in the shower and he was told it would take 4 hours for an ambulance to arrive ( we live 15 mins drive from the hospital).
He's 83 years old and was luckily able to get her into the car and drive her there himself.
Old Mike just says what old Jeremy cannot say out loud, old Jeremy is Tory through and through .
Why is this such an issue here in the UK and not in other European countries ?
Countries like Germany France Italy and Spain also have their versions of our NHS and they seem to be working fine with no issues whatsoever .
Dentistry was always at arm’s length from the NHS. They’re private practitioners, first and foremost, carrying out NHS work; and getting paid inadequately for the privilege. Getting paid inadequately is a given for any public sector workers full stop under a Tory regime though
Dentists work both nhs & private practices. In my town,they are expanding and buying buildings and doing very well.
Right again lovely lady. Mike parry? Marina's the only reason too watch this waste off airtime .
I used to live in the Netherlands which is one of the EU countries with a private healthcare system, all I can say it felt 3rd world compared to the NHS.
1. They just didn't care about you were made to feel like you should be grateful as it wasn't as bad as the US 🙄
2. Even though it was run as not for profit each condition had a yearly budget to it; irrespective if the treatment was suitable or not you’d get the cheapest possible treatment, if you didn't like either get your consultant to argue your case (most wouldn't) or you’d pay extra, if you couldn't afford it there was always euthanasia if things got so bad.
3. 1 in 4 people avoid healthcare due to the costs. Source: SP party leader Jimmy Dijk is proposed bill to remove health insurance excess Dec ‘23.
I worked as an RN in both the Private and Public sector and believe me when I say Public is far superior. Many times patients who developed severe consequences from treatment in Private hospitals were transferred to Public in order to save their lives. Everywhere in the world, and I've worked in a few, which relies too heavily on "For profit" care are finding it is far worse than universal healthcare and costs far more in taxpayer subsidies. Why? Because it is "FOR PROFIT" and all politicians have shares in "For Profit."
The only star in the UK left. The one thing l have left to admire and regard, the NHS. Whilst on its knees by Tory design, still a beacon.
Stop platforming that thick tory gammon!
lies lies and more lies thats what we get from these foxtrot alpha tango charlie uniform november tango sierra
In the US expenditure on health services is twice what we have here. They also have worse outcomes and significant out of pocket expenses on top of the tax and private insurance money they have to pay
People advocating for private insurance always seem to act like they don’t understand how insurance works. There are three main differences between a private system and a public system:
1. Public systems spread risk across the entire country, making them far more cost effective (and until 2011 the NHS had consolidated budgets and economies of scale too, but the Tories put a stop to that in order to make the NHS less efficient so that private providers could compete with it).
2. Private systems must extract more profit each quarter in order to survive, making the costs constantly increase. State systems have much more stable costs which only increase in response to changing economic circumstances (which will also affect private costs in addition to the constant need to increase profits).
3. Private systems have the “advantage” of kicking poor people off the bottom of the ladder and leaving them to get sick and die. That way the private system doesn’t have to pay for them, giving the illusion of a more efficient system. Doesn’t change the fact that they make up for having less customers by just charging the remaining ones more for their insurance and healthcare. How else will profits increase, of course? ;)
Those are the main differences. Any pretence that private systems are more efficient is based on illusions and lies (and at best misunderstandings by people who have been tricked by those illusions and lies). Any pretence that private healthcare is overall cheaper for the public is an outright lie. Any pretence that a private system means you only pay for your own care is a lie as well because an insurance system always involves paying for other people’s healthcare even if you never need it yourself. That’s how insurance of any kind works. Not to mention that these private healthcare shills don’t mention that the model they ultimately want for the U.K. is one where they get paid twice: first by the taxpayer for government contracts, then by the public when they try to access that care.
Public healthcare is so efficient that economists give it a quantitative multiplier of over 8. That means that for every £1 that goes into a public healthcare system, the country gets £8 back. This was the case in 2010, when the NHS was rated as the best healthcare system IN THE WORLD. The reason it’s in such bad shape is massive Tory privatisation and intentional mismanagement so that they can hand out lucrative contracts to lobbyists, donors, and rich friends at the taxpayer’s expense. Now they want to convince you that more of this poison is the medicine you need to fix the problem they created. Private healthcare is and has always been a con.
The privatisation model for natural monopolies is an utter con. The profit motive / competition alone only works in well regulated situations. By paying lip service to regulation and have de-fanged and de-clawed regulators "The light touch model" we've successive governments preside over situations where we, the public, are paying more for an objectively worse service.
Can anyone name a privatised natural monopoly in the last 40 years that is demonstrably better at providing the service than it's pre-privatised state?
As an American who moved to the UK in 1997 I found the NHS to be a modern wonder of the world. I grew up without regular healthcare and only saw a dentist when I joined the Army. We lived in constant dread of injury or illness that we couldn’t afford to have treated unless it was life threatening. Yes, healthcare costs. But it’s not cheaper when you add in profit margins for a private owner class, it just means fewer people get better care and the race is on to see how few will yield the maximum profits. The rest will be left to disability and death. I know this because my brother just died at 50 right before Christmas because of long term untreated but treatable chronic illness. It’s not too late to save the NHS. And if you actually value lives it won’t even be too expensive.
WE *DO* HAVE INSURANCE TO COVER ALL THAT MIKE, IT’S LITERALLY WHAT IT’S CALLED ON THE PAYSLIP!!!
Jesus, what a total infant Mike Parry is.
What payslip ?
Mike parry is a wasteman
@@tariqbahoussain1442 the one you get from your job. It's called national insurance.
If you introduce an insurance model you would need around 250,000 people to administer it
And
The government would still pick up the bill for pensioners, poor and disabled, it costs around 3000 per person currently and the ones needing the most treatments would still have to be paid for with taxes
Its utter economic madness
The basic principal of the NHScis a model every country should follow . It needs a root and branch review but it does not need scrapping.
We need the NHS. We don't want to be Americanised where you have to pay for hospital treatment it will cause more deaths especially for those who cannot afford it.. the NHS is Englands greatest achievement
The NHS is funded and exists simply to heal you. An insurer exists to make a profit, healing you is a cost for them. Why would the UK insert a private insurer in-between simply to extract a profit?
Fortunately the Tories don't have enough time to do much more damage before they have to have an election and hopefully that's the last we ever see of them.
Wouldn't it just save a lot of trouble if people like Mike Parry did not get old?
Lmao. A bit dark… but I understand what you’re saying 😂
Endless management and overworked shop floor staff are exhausted reduce the management
Here in the states, I pay $362/month for health insurance, no dental or vision included.
@Darren-pq5oc eh, depends on the need, I've had to wait a month+ to see my PCP for a back injury or a check up. Had a $1.3K bill for an ER trip after a concussion (no imaging or ambulance)
The UK economy is simply not prosperous or big enough to implement private healthcare on mass even if it wanted to. You can take pressure off the NHS by properly funding and managing the NHS...
Worked in the insurane industry most of my working life. INSURANCE ADDS ITS OVERHEAD AND PROFIT TO COST. Mike should be able to draw the logical conclusion that this coststge customer even more.
I don't understand how this is even a question. The UK is the 6th richest country in the world but can't afford to provide healthcare for everyone? How is it that there are many (much poorer countries (I live in one) that have more rapidly aging populations, and less wealth, yet they manage to provide a FAR better health service than the UK?
Could it be that ALL THAT WEALTH goes UNTAXED? Could it possibly be that these ridiculous NHS "trusts" do nothing but add more management? Or maybe those trusts are required BY LAW to include private healthcare providers on their boards as well as, BY LAW, requiring contracts to be handed out to those PHPs?
The Tories rely on the population not being interested in politics, so their scandalous behaviour goes completely unreported (of course, the Tories' client media bears a significant portion of the blame, here)
Because all the wealth is held by a tiny number of people, we may be the 6th richest country in the world but more than 20% of the population is in poverty.
@@davidorf3921the top 10% of earners pay 60% of total UK tax receipts. The top 1% of earners pay 30% of the total UK tax receipts.
We have 17 registered billionaires in the UK.
Our wealth is measured in GDP. We do not have a large percentage of millionaires, let alone billionaires compared to other countries.
Our taxation norms are one of the highest in the developed world.
We do not define poverty in the same way Eastern Europe, Asia or Africa does. What is defined as poor in this country would be defined as well off in most of the rest of the world.
Just thought a little bit of context would be useful.
@@davidorf3921 Absolutely. No argument from me.
The UK government love to roll this figure out at every turn, as if it's some sort of trophy. It's not. And it's not because so many of those ultra-wealthy people pay accountants to ensure that they pay less tax.
The fallacy of having fewer civil servants is that the cou7ntry no longer has enough civil servants to write the new tax codes, so they have to second tax experts from... those same accountancy firms, resulting in even less revenue for HMG!
Ask me how I know all this.
I hope Mike is writing for the Mail - perfect shoe-in. Keep up the fight Marina!
That's great.. Now make employers pay for their staffs health insurance.. What? All quiet now??! Fund the NHS you say..?
0:26 Her name is Marina, stop calling her Shirley!
NHS is no longer here for the British.
We do pay for it though National insurance but the tories have privatised most of the NHS and large potion of that money is paid in profits before a single person is treated
How the hell does he expect poorer people to find the extra money to cover health insurance when there is already so much poverty and people are dying of want and need! It’s purely government policy that has put us where we are now! It’s all been manipulated to bring us to the point where people like him can claim that health insurance is the only way forwards. If people are dying from lack of care now, there will be many many more people dying from lack of care if we introduce mandatory health insurance! 🤬
He doesn't. Neither do they. That's precisely the point.
A few weeks ago I had an anaphylactic shock and stopped breathing at home. If my daughter wasn’t with me and able to manhandle my dead weight into the car and drive at breakneck speed to A&E, I’d be dead because it took over an hour for an ambulance to arrive. I have private health insurance but it’s our NHS that are saving lives and if they can’t get the funding they need, more lives will be lost.
So basically condemn millions to no health care. I don't remember being asked if we wanted to sell off the NHS that we've all paid for. I remember a lot of people now pushing for us to go private, claiming for years that the NHS would never be privatised. It's our NHS, we've all paid for it. Why does this country hate ordinary folk like me and want to make life even harder, when some of us already aren't coping as it is? I hate this country, and because of the Tories, I'm too skint to leave.
Rich people should be taxed more for not spending money and reduced interest rates for them if they 1mil in the banks.
If people are living longer how is it the last 6 funeral I've been to all were under 65 😢😢😢
The NHS can use collective bargaining/ bulk buying to lower prices. It can provide health care at signifcantly lower costs than the private sector (which cuts corners by not having things scuh as intensive care, any complications go back to the NHS ). Privatisation of public utilities- how did that go? How did NHS dentistry go? The grass is not greener on the other side- any system will collapse if you choose not to fund it properly/ divert to private initiatives such as PFI and spend extortiionate rates on outside managment consultants
Private healthcare cuts wait times by denying access to those who cant afford it. Wallet rather than need