For the whole Beethoven cycle, i would say Paavo Järvi is the best Beethoven interpreter since 20th century. Neat and tidy, no extra doubling winds, accurately emphasized syncopation, clear and straight tempo, perfect balance.
@@OsGamersdoBrasil But that's just it. They are not playing on period instruments they just play with a period string contingent. Which makes all the difference in the balance.
So spielt man Beethoven - hell, durchsichtig, mit frischem Tempo. Endlich ermöglicht uns diese Art der Darbietung, alle Instrumente und ihre Partien "durch"zuhören. Es lebe die "Kammer"philharmonie!
Absolutely fantastic performances by P.Jarvi and the DKB. It's disgusting to hear so many people pile on the hate when they haven't the ability to contribute the slightest of notes to such a thing.
Saubere und gut artikulierte Aufführung dieser pseudoklassischen Sinfonie mit perfekter Synchronisierung aller Instrumente und im relativ schnellen Tempo. Ausgezeichnetes Kammerorchester und genialer Dirigent!
Well since I have long known all the Beethoven symphonies and wanted to hear a spirited and tight performance of the eighth, I am not disappointed. In fact it seemed that the whole thing got better from the way it started. Think about how difficult it is to get the first phrase just right. You want full tilt boogie from a full orchestra from nothing. One has something similar going in in Brahms first symphony. But this is a memorable performance, one I shared. Best
@@fjames208 Since I wrote that 7 years ago... I guess, I meant I cringe over the hackneyed use of cadences at the end. But as I said, overall the symphony is amazing, and Beethoven was a genius.
It's a while since I heard this symphony and I'd forgotten how hilarious it is. Particularly the finale. Beethoven unbuttoned (and slightly tipsy?) and Jarvi doesnt play it down lol. Someone said it's too fast and that was my initial thought, but fast Beethoven is all the rage these days. The spiritual days of Klemperer will no doubt return in time :) For the time being let Beethoven be wild. :o
The funny thing is that Klemperer performed the 8th at this speed at least once. There is an early 50's recording with the Concertgebouw where he lets them perform as fast as this. A few years later when he did the 8th again with the same orchestra he performed it as slow as everybody remembers him for.
Great performance, fiery and powerful. Reminds me of one of Furtwängler's last recordings, at the Salburg Festival on Aug. 30 1954, where he also conducted a great Beethoven 7th.
Is that Paavo Järvi!? Omg. I did not expect to see someone from my homeland when I search for Beethoven. Should have I guess. I didn't get the Jarvi before I saw the face and then I understood that they just didn't have the "ä" 😂
I never seen it marked in any scores or parts before nor have I ever heard a recording playing it as a solo. But I looked at the manuscript and it’s marked as a solo. The first publications in 1816 is marked as a solo as well but later publications leave it unmarked. I’ve noticed similar issues of markings in other Beethoven symphonies as well, I guess this is common
@@TheMaestro2005 The performance by Bärenreiter edited by Jonathan del Mar corrected all these mistakes. This was in the late 90's. So conductors who still ignore that edition are just fools. A similar moment happens in the Finale of the Eroica, where the manuscript calls for Soli in one Variation and it has to played by a String Quartet instead of all the strings.
Ah Klemperer!!! From the little knowledge I have regarding the legendary conductor, he preferred large symphony orchestras, and the music he conducted heavy - I mean heavy, not necessarily the style of the Classical days when orchestras were almost like large chamber orchestras, and the sound produced was not heavy at all. And considering the period instruments used, I'm assuming Beethoven's music being sharp when performed 'cause the musical quality of those instruments were sharp in comparison with their modern revisions. I happen to appreciate Harnoncourt's interpretation of Beethoven's symphonies, fast, sharp and intensive!!! :)
i think it's the reading. the whole thing sounds like a chain saw; it's too fast, there's no lyricism, the text is being hacked away at. just shows you how familiarity with one interpretation can spoil others, for those without enough training to analyse the differences.
Hay que pensar que esta 8ª Symphony, la escrbio el autor despues de la 6 y la 7, pero no tuvo tanta repercusión, seguramente, porque las anteriores eran sobervias y Beethoven, les habia dicho a algunos amigos que cada una, iba a mejorar la anterior. Empezó a pensar en una obra coral, (pues la 8ª, no le dio mucha satisfacción) por supuesto sinfónica y de aquí, que naciera la simpar 9ª, ya totalmente sordo y desesperado. No obstsnte desde mi punto de vista, las tres supergrandes son: 3ª, 6ª y 7ª + 9ª que esta a parte .
Too sudden, too sharp.. Not the way it's supposed to be. Jarvi is a well balanced but not really emotional conductor! You need more enthusiasm and more violence feel rather than plain struck of the notes with a robotic perfection... It is not necessary in Beethoven's terms! The balance of emotion with perfection comes in between the slight silence of every note and from that you can create the feel of the real power of the music, which starts from the essence to the truth of Beethoven's reality!...
I'm not talking to him loll, I know him better then anyone else does! I understand his music just the way he pictured it in his head & believe me, no one in this world can picture the intensity of the beauty & art in the music like the way he did, thus resulting in lack of performance when being performed by anyone else besides him.. Sad but true, you could only hear the real sound the music was making at the time of Beethoven.. That's why he struggled and cursed at the performers cause his imagination was too hard to express with skills even! But it can be done, you just need someone like Beethoven to conduct to change the world of music once again!
Well, check out my channel of my own improvisations based in the style of Beethoven's.. That's the proof of the music I have of my own thus far.. If I were capable of having the knowledge to conduct one day, I will just prove the dissonance of others, but mine as LvB was! And I'm not making it look big either.. I wouldn't do that!
So your telling me that Jarvi can shove a screw up Beethoven's A** & call himself professional compared to a master! And if you thought my music wasn't genius, then I guess you might just be the type that don't really hear a person's soul from the very inside, but just go on with your simple Debussy stuff, rather then taking pride & worth for what belongs to a level much higher then even to be appreciated by the whole world at, until actually proved to the world.. Or perhaps after death, when people suddenly start to realize to value the art of the genius inside of you! However this might just be once in an everlasting eternity, you just missed your chances to even give him more value then he deserves! (The most supreme of all human existence is Ludwig van Beethoven & will always be!) There may be a thousand princes, but there is only one Beethoven. --Please don't take it hard, I do not mean it like that, I would expect this reaction from many, it's obvious that no one would believe such a thing..
Just cause the music sounds like it has no harmonic flow doesn't mean that it's not genius. This can be the start of featuring a simple proof of a genius' work to start with. Since I do not play in any other chords rather then just in A minor or major, well because I'm not yet too familiar enough to play with other chords, but if you think about it, what ideas flow in my mind for carrying constant themes of musical emotion in my head at the moment that I can go for it for an hour or so non stop with constant new ideas of music going in my head with all of it just at the moment as I play, and not once does the music repeat itself or even does the quality of it go down either. It goes on and on as if it were composition! Right, it's nothing compared to a composition because it's only an improvisation!
It just sounds dull to you, because it sounds as a mono tone, with not too much of different colors of emotional expression in it I suppose of how you refer to it as, but don't listen to that, cause most likely you will be hearing that, I mean it's only being played in A this whole time! But instead try to find the quality of its well being with your ear, then say what it really does sound like, because if I can do it at a genius quality, then like you said, more knowledge with getting familiar with other chords, I would have the ability to really show whatever expressively could come out of my head then! And by the way, all the babble stuff really just kind of ticks my fuses off a little bit sometimes, I get a little bit too carried away at times, lol cause I know what I am and others can't tell me..
Karajan, Klemperer, Hans Schmidt Isserstedt, Solti, Kurt Masur. Those are the conductors I want to hear in Beethoven. Not paavo jarvi or riccardo Chailly. Can't stand this modern approach to Beethoven that has dominated the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.
But Karajan left his interpreter stamp on nearly everything he conducted. To be fair, I will take a listen to Karajan's version he performed in 1984 with the Berlin Philharmonic and get back to the writing afterwards. Even though styles do differ, Jarvi is a splendid leader and gets much out of the musicians under his baton. However, I do understand what you are saying and agree with you Karajan's version does deserve a very honorable mention. Karajan did not have time to discipline the Berlin Orchestra as he would have when he conducts his home town orchestra. I found Jarvi's treatment of Beethoven's 9th a bit off here. The choir was too enthusiastic.
You’ve just become too accustomed to the older recordings. You call Jarvi recording modern when in fact the older conductors used orchestras way larger than what Beethoven would of had, especially for this symphony. Jarvi scaled back and metronomic approach would be closer to what Beethoven had in mind aside from playing on mostly modern instruments, with trumpets and timpani being an exception.
Then search for those keywords? Andres, Paavo, there are many people who perform the most wonderful renditions of these songs, and we are blessed to be able to hear such songs at the click of a finger when even the most powerful of emperors in history would have to do a lot of prep to get all the musicians ready for a performance. If you don't like it, watch other renditions... this one is absolutely fantastic.
Mad Rhino how dare you assume I have little knowledge just because I do not like the performance. I simply don't like the performance and that is all there is to it. The implication of you comment that I have little knowledge is that I ought to like it just because you do. Well tough. I don't!
Karajan, Klemperer, Hans Schmidt Isserstedt, Solti, Kurt Masur. Those are the conductors I want to hear in Beethoven. Not paavo jarvi or riccardo Chailly. Can't stand this modern approach to Beethoven that has dominated the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.
Järvi is my go-to guru for conducting inspiration. Clean and precise, still with feeling and emotion, but serving the music instead of an ego.
For the whole Beethoven cycle, i would say Paavo Järvi is the best Beethoven interpreter since 20th century. Neat and tidy, no extra doubling winds, accurately emphasized syncopation, clear and straight tempo, perfect balance.
may i add his interpretation is dramatic & interesting. in short bethovian.
Balance is a smaller problem when playing Beethoven with period instruments.
only Leibowitz can catch up Paavo...
@@OsGamersdoBrasil But that's just it. They are not playing on period instruments they just play with a period string contingent. Which makes all the difference in the balance.
Humanity would be diminished without Beethoven .
Definitely
Beatutifully stated.
So spielt man Beethoven - hell, durchsichtig, mit frischem Tempo. Endlich ermöglicht uns diese Art der Darbietung, alle Instrumente und ihre Partien "durch"zuhören. Es lebe die "Kammer"philharmonie!
Absolutely fantastic performances by P.Jarvi and the DKB. It's disgusting to hear so many people pile on the hate when they haven't the ability to contribute the slightest of notes to such a thing.
What a surprise, and pleasure, to find Beethoven's symphonies in such capable hands. Thanks much.
Saubere und gut artikulierte Aufführung dieser pseudoklassischen Sinfonie mit perfekter Synchronisierung aller Instrumente und im relativ schnellen Tempo. Ausgezeichnetes Kammerorchester und genialer Dirigent!
notaire2 das stimmt!
Orchester und Dirigent die für mich musikalisch mehr als authentisch sind. Hervorragend!
I was just looking for it!!
Love the tempo Paavo puts into this!!
Actually, Beethoven put the tempo in, but Järvi brings it out!
Bravo maestro Järvi, you and Beethoven are the perfect match.
Real joy and life in their playing!
クラシック音楽は、世界に共通するから、いいですね😊
😂 aqui no BRASIL não é muito comum... Só músicos ouvem mesmo.
O público comum acha chato...
Well since I have long known all the Beethoven symphonies and wanted to hear a spirited and tight performance of the eighth, I am not disappointed. In fact it seemed that the whole thing got better from the way it started. Think about how difficult it is to get the first phrase just right. You want full tilt boogie from a full orchestra from nothing. One has something similar going in in Brahms first symphony. But this is a memorable performance, one I shared. Best
impeccably rehearsed, delivered gloriously. Jarvi has spend some time in Beethoven's brain.
Excellent Beethoven cycle.
the more I listen to this, the more beautiful details I find.. tutti bravi, this is very exceptional interpretation! I could say my favourite one..
Incredibly vital interpretation. Bravo!
Great symphony! Bravo!
Wunderschön …
Fast wie im Himmel ...
Excellent performance, bravi tutti! If the first movement of Beethoven's 8th doesn't make you want to get up and dance, check your pulse.
The last few momentsof this symphony just jar for me, but the rest is awesome. I love it!
What do you mean, jar??
@@fjames208 Since I wrote that 7 years ago... I guess, I meant I cringe over the hackneyed use of cadences at the end. But as I said, overall the symphony is amazing, and Beethoven was a genius.
楽譜に忠実でありながら濃密な表現力を伴った素晴らしい演奏である。Bravo！
It's a while since I heard this symphony and I'd forgotten how hilarious it is. Particularly the finale. Beethoven unbuttoned (and slightly tipsy?) and Jarvi doesnt play it down lol. Someone said it's too fast and that was my initial thought, but fast Beethoven is all the rage these days. The spiritual days of Klemperer will no doubt return in time :) For the time being let Beethoven be wild. :o
What goes around comes around. Not Klemperer himself mind you. :/
The funny thing is that Klemperer performed the 8th at this speed at least once. There is an early 50's recording with the Concertgebouw where he lets them perform as fast as this.
A few years later when he did the 8th again with the same orchestra he performed it as slow as everybody remembers him for.
Un. Freaking. Believable.
Great performance, fiery and powerful. Reminds me of one of Furtwängler's last recordings, at the Salburg Festival on Aug. 30 1954, where he also conducted a great Beethoven 7th.
Hiw old he is from 1954, 2012??
I think u are wrong, he doesn't look that old, the same person
Soy fanático de la 8va Sinfonía de Beethoven y esta es mi versión favorita. Muy expresiva y con una gran soltura de parte del director y los músicos.
Excellent!
Such interesting, that symphony without slowly part.
How is it possible to write something so complex and epic when you're deaf?
I don't know
That is because he wasn't when he wrote this. ;) He was severly impaired but not yet deaf.
Is that Paavo Järvi!? Omg. I did not expect to see someone from my homeland when I search for Beethoven. Should have I guess. I didn't get the Jarvi before I saw the face and then I understood that they just didn't have the "ä" 😂
5.30 the loudest beethoven gets... double fortissimo "fff"
5:30
Actually, I like the finale....Gardiner's is more of a chain saw, believe it or not. This is lovely.
superbe !!! dans la lignée de TOSCANINI !
Interesting trio section of the 3rd movement with just having a solo cello playing with the horns and clarinet.
Maestro Prodigy that is in the skoar
That's my favorite part
I never seen it marked in any scores or parts before nor have I ever heard a recording playing it as a solo. But I looked at the manuscript and it’s marked as a solo. The first publications in 1816 is marked as a solo as well but later publications leave it unmarked. I’ve noticed similar issues of markings in other Beethoven symphonies as well, I guess this is common
@@TheMaestro2005 The performance by Bärenreiter edited by Jonathan del Mar corrected all these mistakes. This was in the late 90's. So conductors who still ignore that edition are just fools.
A similar moment happens in the Finale of the Eroica, where the manuscript calls for Soli in one Variation and it has to played by a String Quartet instead of all the strings.
Ah Klemperer!!! From the little knowledge I have regarding the legendary conductor, he preferred large symphony orchestras, and the music he conducted heavy - I mean heavy, not necessarily the style of the Classical days when orchestras were almost like large chamber orchestras, and the sound produced was not heavy at all. And considering the period instruments used, I'm assuming Beethoven's music being sharp when performed 'cause the musical quality of those instruments were sharp in comparison with their modern revisions. I happen to appreciate Harnoncourt's interpretation of Beethoven's symphonies, fast, sharp and intensive!!! :)
With your permission, I will put the video on my phone
Great!!
me encanta
Love the music but I just realized these were all uploaded by "deepnosepicker"
When you are going through classical songs to solve a puzzle in an AI game
Why does the ARTIST information above tell us this is the Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Mariss Jansons when it's plainly not?
i think it's the reading. the whole thing sounds like a chain saw; it's too fast, there's no lyricism, the text is being hacked away at. just shows you how familiarity with one interpretation can spoil others, for those without enough training to analyse the differences.
Hay que pensar que esta 8ª Symphony, la escrbio el autor despues de la 6 y la 7, pero no tuvo tanta repercusión, seguramente, porque las anteriores eran sobervias y Beethoven, les habia dicho a algunos amigos que cada una, iba a mejorar la anterior. Empezó a pensar en una obra coral, (pues la 8ª, no le dio mucha satisfacción) por supuesto sinfónica y de aquí, que naciera la simpar 9ª, ya totalmente sordo y desesperado. No obstsnte desde mi punto de vista, las tres supergrandes son: 3ª, 6ª y 7ª + 9ª que esta a parte .
Why are your CDs of the Beethoven symphonies out of print!
Конечно, не Караян, но весьма неплохо))
¿Dónde esta la sinfonía No9?
a small big orchestra
Please google anger management; you really need it.
Järvi is Estonian, not Finnish...and that might be a bigger deal! :)
Wo ist die Symphonie Nr. 9?
Never never never will I be insulted in such a way. I will not tolerate this.
lozenger299 lol
It’s all about you and your dead conductors and orchestras...sorry, we forgot
Vă rog, vă implor nu mai întrerupeți simfoniile cu reclame comerciale, cu videoclipuri muzicale de doi bani sau cu politică!
Presisa !!|
True, esta 8th sinfonía ta lenta y un poco desabrida, más perdido k yo a mis 70 años..por eso nació la novena, pero la 10 nunca llegó a nacer
3, 5 y la 7th
筋肉マン的 一本調子
5分31秒の所でティンパニーが音なし。
6:04
15:00
where is the singing phrases in beethoven here? Brüggen is much better at the very beginning of the symphony. To much is goint lost.
There's no 9th symphony on the playlist
Yes there is, at least now
Comercials sucks, but it's only stupid business, it's a disgrace
A very very good professional profomence but I just can't help when I see this conductor he looks a bit like the comedian Jasper carrot 🥕.
Although the timpani might be a bit present in the mix. :)
Brove
Great. Now go listen to Klemperer.
Jean Parke boo
Too sudden, too sharp.. Not the way it's supposed to be. Jarvi is a well balanced but not really emotional conductor! You need more enthusiasm and more violence feel rather than plain struck of the notes with a robotic perfection... It is not necessary in Beethoven's terms! The balance of emotion with perfection comes in between the slight silence of every note and from that you can create the feel of the real power of the music, which starts from the essence to the truth of Beethoven's reality!...
I'm not talking to him loll, I know him better then anyone else does! I understand his music just the way he pictured it in his head & believe me, no one in this world can picture the intensity of the beauty & art in the music like the way he did, thus resulting in lack of performance when being performed by anyone else besides him.. Sad but true, you could only hear the real sound the music was making at the time of Beethoven.. That's why he struggled and cursed at the performers cause his imagination was too hard to express with skills even! But it can be done, you just need someone like Beethoven to conduct to change the world of music once again!
Well, check out my channel of my own improvisations based in the style of Beethoven's.. That's the proof of the music I have of my own thus far.. If I were capable of having the knowledge to conduct one day, I will just prove the dissonance of others, but mine as LvB was! And I'm not making it look big either.. I wouldn't do that!
So your telling me that Jarvi can shove a screw up Beethoven's A** & call himself professional compared to a master! And if you thought my music wasn't genius, then I guess you might just be the type that don't really hear a person's soul from the very inside, but just go on with your simple Debussy stuff, rather then taking pride & worth for what belongs to a level much higher then even to be appreciated by the whole world at, until actually proved to the world.. Or perhaps after death, when people suddenly start to realize to value the art of the genius inside of you! However this might just be once in an everlasting eternity, you just missed your chances to even give him more value then he deserves! (The most supreme of all human existence is Ludwig van Beethoven & will always be!) There may be a thousand princes, but there is only one Beethoven. --Please don't take it hard, I do not mean it like that, I would expect this reaction from many, it's obvious that no one would believe such a thing..
Just cause the music sounds like it has no harmonic flow doesn't mean that it's not genius. This can be the start of featuring a simple proof of a genius' work to start with. Since I do not play in any other chords rather then just in A minor or major, well because I'm not yet too familiar enough to play with other chords, but if you think about it, what ideas flow in my mind for carrying constant themes of musical emotion in my head at the moment that I can go for it for an hour or so non stop with constant new ideas of music going in my head with all of it just at the moment as I play, and not once does the music repeat itself or even does the quality of it go down either. It goes on and on as if it were composition! Right, it's nothing compared to a composition because it's only an improvisation!
It just sounds dull to you, because it sounds as a mono tone, with not too much of different colors of emotional expression in it I suppose of how you refer to it as, but don't listen to that, cause most likely you will be hearing that, I mean it's only being played in A this whole time! But instead try to find the quality of its well being with your ear, then say what it really does sound like, because if I can do it at a genius quality, then like you said, more knowledge with getting familiar with other chords, I would have the ability to really show whatever expressively could come out of my head then! And by the way, all the babble stuff really just kind of ticks my fuses off a little bit sometimes, I get a little bit too carried away at times, lol cause I know what I am and others can't tell me..
Karajan, Klemperer, Hans Schmidt Isserstedt, Solti, Kurt Masur. Those are the conductors I want to hear in Beethoven. Not paavo jarvi or riccardo Chailly. Can't stand this modern approach to Beethoven that has dominated the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.
But Karajan left his interpreter stamp on nearly everything he conducted.
To be fair, I will take a listen to Karajan's version he performed in 1984 with the Berlin Philharmonic and get back to the writing afterwards.
Even though styles do differ, Jarvi is a splendid leader and gets much out of the musicians under his baton. However, I do understand what you are saying and agree with you Karajan's version does deserve a very honorable mention.
Karajan did not have time to discipline the Berlin Orchestra as he would have when he conducts his home town orchestra.
I found Jarvi's treatment of Beethoven's 9th a bit off here. The choir was too enthusiastic.
Why don’t you just want to hear the music
You’ve just become too accustomed to the older recordings. You call Jarvi recording modern when in fact the older conductors used orchestras way larger than what Beethoven would of had, especially for this symphony. Jarvi scaled back and metronomic approach would be closer to what Beethoven had in mind aside from playing on mostly modern instruments, with trumpets and timpani being an exception.
Then search for those keywords? Andres, Paavo, there are many people who perform the most wonderful renditions of these songs, and we are blessed to be able to hear such songs at the click of a finger when even the most powerful of emperors in history would have to do a lot of prep to get all the musicians ready for a performance.
If you don't like it, watch other renditions... this one is absolutely fantastic.
Horrid 'modern', historically informed performance with no weight or depth.
Mad Rhino how dare you assume I have little knowledge just because I do not like the performance. I simply don't like the performance and that is all there is to it. The implication of you comment that I have little knowledge is that I ought to like it just because you do. Well tough. I don't!
Excellent!
Karajan, Klemperer, Hans Schmidt Isserstedt, Solti, Kurt Masur. Those are the conductors I want to hear in Beethoven. Not paavo jarvi or riccardo Chailly. Can't stand this modern approach to Beethoven that has dominated the 1990s, 2000s and 2010s.
It is the first ones who had a modern approach to Beethoven. What is done now is how Beethoven sounded in Beethoven's time.