Audio-Technica ATH-R70x - Accurate & Natural?
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Bass Response - 5:48
Mids Response - 9:44
Treble Response - 12:42
Detail Retrieval - 14:32
Soundstage - 16:54
Overall Sound Signature - 17:53
Value & Conclusion - 19:47
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I’ve been using the same pair of R70x’s for 8 years now in the studio and I still absolutely love them. For what it’s worth, they were NOT babied (they’ve been dropped, stepped on, thrown in bags, etc) and despite some nicks on the metal finish they’re still going strong. I think maybe the plastic is glass reinforced, so despite the appearance they’ve proven to be very very reliable and I’ve only had to replace the ear pads.
Personally, I find them to be neutral and make a perfect additional studio reference
that was perhaps one of, if not the most detailed review of the r70x that i've found.
And i greatly appreciate the value , something i feel is quickly dropped off of reviews.
I love the lightweight form factor and find them quite appealing visually. I also enjoy the sound as somewhat reminiscent of the HD 650.
Do you still like those?
Hey its my daily driver! A proud owner of these for 2 years! Original cable was bitten by my cat and changed the earpads and I'm a happy man since.
Thank you for the excellent review!
How is soundstage? I'm undecided between these and akg712 pro
@@jcap8391 Thicker or more spacious pads would help with that. The stock pads are quite shallow and small and so an increase distance from the driver would enhance perceived soundstage
Amazing video as always! I watched a few older reviews of yours and you improved a lot in your presentation. It is great how you always set up your videos similarely and the way you test and compare headphones really makes it easy for one to judge how a headphone will probably sound. Thank you also for adjusting the clarity rating of the focal clear from 45 seconds to 60 seconds. That makes them a lot more comparable! Btw my NX4 arrived today (a shop in France had it) and I am really happy with it! It shows quite a bit more detail than the Focusrite Audio Interface so thanks a lot for the suggestion. Looking forward to more of your videos :)
Congrats! I’m glad you’re enjoying the NX4.
@@NoThemeReviews These or AKG 712 pro for sound stage?
These are great. I chose them over a lot of headphones I compared at the same which included akg’s and the most expensive beyer. Comfort is fantastic because it is super light and soft.
How is soundstage? I'm undecided between these and akg712 pro
Stage is great, with very good definition, resolution much bettr than AKG K7xx which have kind of fake details.
Hello, do you know which is the smallest and cheapest amp/dac with DSD1024 playback feature? I actually can hear audio quality differences between FLAC 24bit/44,1khz, DSD256, DSD512 and I'm very interested to hear DSD1024.. I prefer something portable If exists, what do you recommend??
I think your reviews are the by far the most thorough and detailed I've seen, and the specific descriptions (even timestamps!!) of tracks make it the best example of letting the viewer know what you're saying, much more so than just descriptions like "this is dark" or "this one a treble peak."
I've been catching up to your older videos, and think your other videos like comparisons and things like the DT880 amp impedance videos are great learning tools, too. Really, I think the only thing I'd point out for any improvement are 1) the reviews/commentary in some sections can get a little long at times, so it loses a bit of entertainment value, and 2) I don't think there's any big need to emphasize the not paid for thing (which happens a little too much in some videos) - if anyone actually watches your videos and listens to the amount of substantive information backed up with evidence and maintains that position, I have to think they weren't really listening to what you were saying.
Thanks for the feedback
@@NoThemeReviews Would you take the r70x over sundaras as a daily driver? I've recently upped my budget and considering between these two. I'm gonna be EQ'ing them
@@edmundsiadari6234 Sure, it's a good headphone.
I like these, for all they use a lot of plastic i have found them to be very robust and durable. Most headphones aimed at the professional market seem to be plastic and prioritize actual reliability and durability over luxury feel. And they are light. The wing system is not for everyone, I quite like it but even Audio Technica admitted it wasn't what most wanted and seems to have abandoned it. I got mine for a discount (about 30%) and am very happy with the price - performance/quality ratio. I find these to be reasonably neutral and balanced, not the best in the world but solid performers and very durable despite feeling a bit low rent.
oh man iam kinda sad right now. i was about to buy these as i needed some open-backs for late-night listening. i was expecting to get some good sub bass and a headphone not hurting my ears atleast with the sound, while being open back. what do you thing is a good alternative? DT-990 Pro 250?
thanks for your non-bias review!!
The R70x is a good headphone; you certainly get plenty of bass. Fit is very subjective, so you might be quite happy with the comfort. I don't think the 990 is a good alternative at all; it has very harsh treble, at least to my ears. If you want open back with bass, then consider the Base Audio G12 or Sivga Phoenix.
I bought - thank you for your review. Tell me what player are you using at 18:16 minutes? thx
Cowon P2
470 ohms doesn't mean you need planty of power. As i tried you can easily drive them from a 3.5mm jack directly on your phone and they work pretty well without having to put the sound to max, even more, i am currently using them on my pc directly on the motherboard with the sound set to 34 on windows. What is more useful to look at is the sensitivity, wich indicates exactly how loud the headphones will be at 1mW of power.
The ATH-R70x as a sensitivity of 99db, 99db for 1mW of power is far from NEEDING plenty of power...
There’s a big difference between getting power and getting enough power for peak performance.
Hello. Can you please compare this to 560s? Thanks
i have sundara, and they say the r70 is equivalent of sundara BUT with dynamic driver vocal style. have been aiming for this r70x for somewhile. it currently sells at $230 at my country.
is it worth the buy??
How would you compare them to the Ollo S4x? I’m torn between the two
Might be a bit of stretch to ask but here goes. What would you consider a better purchase right now, the R70x, 400i 2020 or something like the ad900x/1000x/2000x?
I have no idea. The 70x is the only headphone from your list that I own.
@@NoThemeReviews First of all thanks for the reply, and i think you should consider getting your hands on one of the AD series (or A) series AT's for a review
I've heard they're more comfortable and reasonably priced than the R70x. I'll look around for a bit but i think i am going to go for the AD900x.
I have a focusrite 18i8 ,what dac should i get to drive these
I have these headphones. These cans are the most comfortable headphones I've ever worn. I can wear them for hours (which I have). The sound signature, likewise, isn't fatiguing at all, and I can listen to music with these headphones for hours. The lack of sub-bass was expected (since it's open-back), but the bass that it does produce is ample for me. Overall, it has a natural sound, which it is advertised to have.
lack in sub bass of open backs is such a bullshit to say, it all depend on headphones itself or amp pairing...
R70x is one of my favs, if you get a chance, try the adx-5000. Its not for everyone but i got a hunch that you will love it.
ADX5000 can show you exactly how other headphones are veiled or how much bass mud is in them. Crystal clear sound with beautiful control over bass, my fav headphones with tube amp.
Great review! I agree with pretty much everything you said. They are a bit darker than most popular audiophile headphones, but that's why I love them. By the way, would you take these or the HD6XX for general everyday listening?
6xx but only because it’s less cumbersome to wear and use.
@@NoThemeReviews so if these were as comfortable, you wouldn’t choose the 6XX?
@@bernardoblanchetramirez6032 Yeah, I might not. The 6xx are great headphones, but if the comfort and design on the R70x was better, I'd probably use the 6xx less frequency.
@@NoThemeReviews that sounds good.
Also, have you tried the AKG K712 Pro? If so, could you tell me what you think?
@@bernardoblanchetramirez6032 I had the 712 Pro for about a year, then sold it. I was not a fan. It was pretty comfortable, but I found the signature to be fatiguing after a few hours of use at a time. The treble was harsh for me, and while soundstage was average to maybe above average, I wasn’t particularly impressed with its lack of sub-bass. I’m sure it’s a good headphone for many people, but it wasn’t my cup of tea. Unfortunately, I never did a review of it-it was before I started my channel-and I can’t remember any details about its performance. If I get a chance to use them again, I’ll do a full review.
I know it's no comparison, but as someone who just entered the game, should be interesting to know all the differences between the ATH r70x and the much cheaper M40x.
Another interesting comparison would be the HD 599, comparing an open back with an open back.
The reason why I'm comparing much cheaper headphones is because I don't have much options here in Taiwan, and would like to know if it's worth it to spend much more money on headphones.
And please don't tell me it's all depends on my budget, because I wouldn't know how much to spend on headphones without the said info I'm asking for. Also please don't tell me it's all about taste, as I don't have much experience with different kinds of headphones, so taste is irrelevant just yet.
More like taste in music, just because there are headphones that do better bass or highs or for vocals and midrange. There are people who dont care about clarity those are "bassheads" xD. If you never heard open back headphones that will be new experience for you, it can open your mind and show real beauty of music
Thank you very much for the review, I really was wondering about this one. The Internet also lacks ATH-ADX5000 reviews ;-) and the one with the guitar earcups.
EDIT : I would make a difference between "neutral" and "natural". Neutral is regarding the recording. Natural is beyond the recording, so not neutral. As an extreme example : The Grado SR80eI have make a lot of songs more natural despite not being neutral. If the recording is not so good, a neutral headphone could not sound natural, just neutral. Neutral is objective, natural is subjective.
Yeah...$2000 for the ADX5000 is well beyond my willingness to experiment.
@@NoThemeReviews ahah, beyond a lot of people's willingness to experiment I would say :-)
The other one I'm curious about is this one :
www.audio-technica.co.jp/product/ATH-WP900
R70x or Sundara for simply enjoying music?
From what I have gathered so far the Sundara deliver unmatched clarity, detail and soundstage in their price bracket but need some EQ.
Edit: Almost a year later 😅 had the Sundara for 6 Months now.
Absolutely live up to the hype the clarity and soundstage is unreal you genuinely feel like you got a 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound strapped to your head.
Also bought the Topping DX3 Pro+. That makes it even better. Huge difference compared to the headphone output of any device I have and the little FiiO amp I've also had.
It's crazy how with the Topping + Sundara the individual elements of a track just float on top of each other I've never heard it like that before.
Did some EQ to raise bass response for some added punch and warmth and dialed the treble back around 5-6k just a bit because it got too sharp for me.
Using my Sundaras with Fiio K5 Pro ESS Amp and there is absolutely no regret. Worth the purchase :)
You won't know until you've listened to them. Clarity, detail, soundstage.... don't mean much if the sound signature isn't for you, or not a great match with your music library. I even hated the Arya Stealth even though I'd heard amazing things about it. I love the R70x though.
I find the imaging to be excellent. For reference I also own both HD650s and Avantone Planars. To my ears the R70Xs beat both in sheer musical pleasure.
R70x is a really bassy and warm headphone... if you change the pads. get a hybrid pad for this thing, and it became a bass cannon with tons of rumble and a nice vocal bloom, while retaining a good soundstage and somewhat lower technicalities compared to original pads.
Comfort is... very noice. It will just disappear on your head because it's so damn light, I promise you. and if it grips too hard, just bend the metal headband. For my ears, this is an over ear headphone. But if you got larger ear, maybe it'll be an on ear.
Personally, R70x pad-swapped + Hifiman Sundara is my end game. R70x (pad swapped) for when I want a really warm tube-y sound that you can sleep with, and a sundara if I want all the details and air and whatnot.
If you have to keep one, which is it? Sundara or R70x
@@muhdarif6032 I'm leaning on R70x, because I know a pad that I like and easily accessible. While Sundara's pads are hard to get, and it's not a universal one too with clips and everything on the pad. Though this is a consideration for the next 5 years of usage. If you ask me which is better today, I'd lean slightly to Sundara.
@@josuad6890 which is the pad you’re using for the r70x?
@@manofculture5748 no-name pad from my local online store. It's a round velvet pad, should be easy to find online.
Hey I know this video is old but I just reviewed them last Friday. I bought a pair for me and I will sell my meze emperyan 1. I own the meze emperyan with my etsy silver cable XLR. It's the my favorite sound siganure of all the headphone I ever hears. I'm a do headphone review alone at home. I tested around 40 headphones in 8 years with my own money. I tried about 80% of mid fi headphone and 50% 1k headphone and about 10 headphone in the 2500k+. I owned utopia, all high end sennheise, focal, audeze, susvara he1000v2 etc.. I have a good knowledge of what I like or not. R70x remember me the meze emperya. 1 I dont mean the détails and every aspect are better than the other aspect, but the sondage signature is close enough that I like it
I want to enjoy films, what headphone should i get from 80-300 usd?
I feel like from me jumping from "gaming headphones" like the void rgb wireless to this w a decent mangi amp I will enjoy the change. Any recommendations?
I have no idea if you’ll like it. In my limited experience with gaming headphones, almost anything could be a better option than what these gamer companies sell. I expect you’ll hear more details, clarity, soundstage, and it’ll probably more comfortable. Unfortunately the only way to know is for you to try them yourself.
@@NoThemeReviews these are the same price as the hd560s in my country, should I get the r70x's or the hd560s?
Edit: They're both 190 dollars here and I prefer neutral warmish signature and open to EQ (usually listen to lots of hip hop)
@@edmundsiadari6234 The 560s is not neutral or warm. It has an excessive amount of sibilance. The R70x is probably the closer to what you want between these two options.
@@NoThemeReviews Ah I see, does an EQ fix the lack of sub bass????
@@edmundsiadari6234 Depends on how much EQ you apply before things start to distort
These headphones are so interesting.. I haven't heard anyone say they are BAD, but it seems you have people who either say they are the best for their bracket, or reviews like this that give it a lot of goods and some bads.
Will you review the closed back version of it ? Heard that was tuned to be neutral of DF target
I do t currently have plans to review the closed back. If I find one for cheap then I’ll be happy to do it.
@@NoThemeReviews sure! M70x generally goes for 300$ btw loved your content 🙂👍🏻
@@roufali3178 Is the m70x the closed back version?
@@jcap8391 yes M70X is the successor for popular M50X, I have heard it's very detailed and almost sounds better than msr7
Good bass?
R70x $220, Sundara $350, hd6xx $370. Which has the most value?
for anyone having concern about the comfort, you don't need to wait for it to break in. the headband is bendable, you can manually bend it to reduce clamp, and it will stay that way. it won't break and can be reverted back. set it just enough to stay on your head, little by little, make sure you bend only the headband and not holding the earcup (the joint is plastic it can break). i have long hair and i almost don't feel this headphone (i could only feel the pads) because it's very light and the wing does its job, imo its genius. if you have a really big head, the wing could extend until it touches the headband, this could be uncomfortable. japanese or asian have rather small head, i think it's probably designed based on asian size.
Interesting, you never compared with Ollo Audio S4
Quick question, quick [Like 👍]
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HD6xx / HD600 or Sundara
For the rest of your life ?
6xx
@@NoThemeReviews good choice, and nice channel btw 💪💪
Out of curiosity was the R70x you had made in Japan or Taiwan?
Good question. I couldn’t find any marking in the headphones and I threw out the box.
@@NoThemeReviews Japan, check under the wing arm on the left side. At around 3:35 the sticker says Japan.
love the detailed, no-nonsense reviews
Had these for two years, driven by the Schiit Magni, and love them. Love the sound signature and I actually appreciate the lightweight build. I find them incredibly comfortable and have worn them for hours with no issues. I even can forget that they’re there after a while. My only issue is that the soundstage is not very spacious and wide as promised but it undeniably is far better than any closed back equivalent which I appreciate as the first open backs that I’ve owned.
What would you recommend as a good first open back headphones ?
I thought about getting this or 6xx or sundara. How these 3 compare each other?
All three are rather different. The Sundara is the closest to neutral among the three, but has a sub-bass roll-off just like all planars. The 6xx has fairly neutral bass but the vocals are pushed forward and a bit sibilant. The Sundara has the clearest sound of the three, and the largest soundstage of them as well. All three are good products, so it comes down to whether you have enough power for the Sundara and R70x, and what sound signature you want.
@@NoThemeReviews maybe neutral warmish like that
@@NoThemeReviews Thanks and keep up the good work 👍
@@muhdarif6032 hmm. Probably the 6xx or r70x.
You repeat many times that the instruments melded together. What does that mean? I'm assuming you're not referencing the mix itself but instead something about the headphones themselves. What does it mean when instruments are melded together?
The instruments become harder to differentiate. Their tonalities become combined. Imagine a group of vocalists whose individual voices become difficult to hear when they’re singing together.
Plastic is good for weights reduction.
Yes yes more mid fi reviews ❤️
This is not mid-fi, just entry level :D
+1 for listening to Overwerk
It's of the utmost importance to understand that these are designed for the intended use of mixing/mastering in combination with monitors(these can work decently by themselves), not "audiophile listening"...as stated on their page... Unless of course, you enjoy natural to neutral reproduction. An analogy could be that these are the equivalent of a TV or monitor set to reference for color accuracy that average consumers will feel is less detailed and washed out. As opposed to the other displays set to dynamic or vivid, where everything is inaccurate, excessively vibrant and the image is far too sharp. That said these should be reviewed as such. For their purpose and price, they are quite detailed and present a very accurate staging and presentation for almost everything you'd need to monitor. And they tend to translate very well to most monitor speakers from mine and many other experiences with them. A jack of all trades, you could say.
I do apologize for the negative comment, but there are far too many reviewers failing to take into account their purpose, which is why they sound the way they do. Which is ultimately why they tend to be indifferent towards them and/or give bad remarks. So please don't compare the R70x to other non-reference or "audiophile" headphones...because they arent
I don't think your comment is negative at all. I think it's important to take into account that these are marketed as reference/monitor headphones to make a more informed assessment.
What amp and dac did you use? for this video?
5:08
The larry david of audio reviews
From what I understand, this is AT's first attempt at an INTENTIONALLY neutral open headphone (compared to unintentional, like a few models they did in the past) for professionals. Which means, not for wealthy audiophiles. Meaning details are not as good as some other headphones can provide. I hope they can make an improved version of this model in the future.
I hope the same. Of all the headphone companies I've tried, AT is one of very few that consistently provides different sound signatures across their lines. I hope they continue.
@@NoThemeReviews If only for the SUBJECTIVELY beautiful open see-through design. I just want that on my wall.
@@NotOrdinaryInGames I own improved version of this ADX5000, its detail monster with great control over whole freq spectrum, prefer to tube it for more natural timbre
@@soulfulfool I am glad you are currently good with money.
@@NotOrdinaryInGames not so much after buying them lol
This set always intrigued me but that impedance...
I own a pair and would not really call them super hard to drive. Even some portable amps like Fiio M9 and Topping NX4 are more than enough to power them (at least to my ears, I don't like to blast my headphones). Don't worry too much about it, if you have decently powered amp I think you're good to go.
@@L0nkero thanks! I've got an X5iii and E12A, which while it is an amp marketed for IEMs, hopefully it could muster the effort (if I spring for a set). Cheers!
What is the best budget dac/amp in one for this?
IMO the R70x needs a decent amount of power for peak performance. To that end, the Schiit Magni, Liquid Spark, L30 are all good options.
Thanks for the great review. Your delivery reminds me of Mr. Mobile :D
Lol. I used to watch him all the time. I’m sure his vocal delivery affected me subconsciously
Relatively flat and acurate, there is a 2db low shelf bump at 100hz with a slope starting at 200hz. There is also two dips at 5khz and 10khz, both not more than 3db. All this makes them sound relatively neutral and acurate, but not good overall and always too warm and not detailed enough.
I believe I wasted a lot of money on these headphones as I still need to use an EQ to make them acurate enough for mixing. Disappointing...
No headphone has a linear treble frequency response. Depending on measurenent, it‘s quite the same than HD650. Listen to the AT, you won‘t be disappointed!
When I tried it it had awful soundstage.
Remind me, LCD 2 closed did what manufacturer promised, right?
Audeze wisely doesn't make any promises about the LCD-2. It's vague mumbo jumbo. Nevertheless, the LCD-2 will never be worth $1000, no matter how many TH-cam personalities endorse it.
@@NoThemeReviews I will be very excited If you ever make Pioneer se-monitor 5 review!! Very good and very underated headphones! Would you have the same excitement as me for these headphones If you had a chance to review them??
I actually love the DEVA and its versatility but boy does it look a toy when next to the R70X, which looks more serious and boring.
The Deva feels like a toy. Classic Hifiman.
Did you try out the spatial audio feature in the AirPod pro? It’s amazing. I think it is gonna ruin this Christmas for prosumer headphone /earbud manufacturers🦙and will fundamentally change audio consumption towards multichannel codec and head tracking.
I turned it on but it doesn’t work with YT, Amazon, Spotify, Pocket Cast. So I haven’t been able to get it to work.
No Theme Reviews I think it is just a matter of time for a firmware update to process YT and Netflix codec without circumventing DRM. This is so good and east that it is bound to have mainstream dominance.
You are my favourite headphone reviewer. Very good description of the sound :)
R70x is awesome. LCD-x is not.. at all, not even close. I think you need better amp and dac to these, also better have amp tube as pre-amp to make it brighter, push lows and clean sound a bit. All planars Ive heard was boring to death, nothing specal, as lcd`s. I think they should sold r70x 2x the price, easily. For 350 its almost for free for what you get.
NTR: My ear & yours must have been cloned. lol! I hear everything you heard concerning the R70's but I kept 'em anyway. *_NOTE TO READER:_* I DO USE Avantone Planar Red for mixing & critical listening, but still own & enjoy others! *_Please keep that in mind... I'll *_ALWAYS_* use the A-Planars for pure accuracy!!!_* I find the R-70 extremely lightweight feeling on my personal cranium, and they do press-in after awhile. I AGREE with everything NTR said in this review, and my conclusions are concomitant & nearly identical. THE R70x's DO NOT HAVE SUB-BASS!!! Everything else is "good, but NOT quite~Reference", IMHO. They are CLEAN & distortionless if you have A BALLSY AMP to drive them(470 Ohm)! Great review, NTR, and hopefully I could help someone that has enough $$$ to own these *_AND_* the Planar Avantone's. Push comes to shove; I'll always choose the Avantone P-RED (or Black)...
Lol. Nice to know someone agrees with me! Hope you continue to enjoy your gear.
Since your audio and video do not in any way match, further, they are sometimes contradictory - wouldn't your reviews be better as a podcast? Seriously.
You can choose to listen without watching. But your complaint seems misapplied. How exactly should I film the sound I’m describing? I can’t help but direct you to every other TH-cam audio reviewer, and ask you to consider they talk about products and sound without showing more than a handful of B-roll footage. So, let’s try not to set special requirements just for my channel.
@@NoThemeReviews It's a good question and I thank you for responding. It seems pretty straight forward, but I realise requires a shit-ton of work. Context matters, so If you're discussing a specific model of headphone, only that headphone should be shown. If you're discussing an amp or DAC, show that for the time you're discussing it. My point about a podcast was to make things easier for you, since the audio stands on its own, but does not mesh with your visuals.
It’s not an issue of work but practicality. Other than a few monomers when I discuss build, 95% of my video is about sound. Your critique would be appropriate if I were showing something that is visual or demonstrating a feature or teaching a method. I appreciate your input, but I’m not interested in doing a podcast and leaving TH-cam. I’m not going to follow an arbitrary rule that you won’t or can’t enforce on every other TH-cam audio reviewer.
@@NoThemeReviews I'm not sure my critique is in any way inappropriate as your reply seems to suggest. But, as an example, when you mention The RME ADI-2 DAC as the driver for a headphone review, perhaps an image (stock or your own) or even footage would add context (visually). It is odd to hear you talking about a thing, whilst showing an unconnected thing on screen, is all.
The sound is dark because your phones are Made in Taiwan, not Japan.
Where do you get that info?
@@Oscar-eo8mg From an audiophile forum, forgot what the name of it was. There were guys with the Taiwanese and Japanese R70s and also one guy with both the T and J version of it. Try searching it on google with "ATH-R70 made in taiwan/made in japan" and you'll find it. They've said that the Japan version is more clear / better in the treble, where the Taiwanese sounded different on the treble with less defined highs.
@@Oscar-eo8mg I mean it even makes sense, AudioTechnica is a Japanese brand, so why would you even buy AudioTechnica that's not Made in Japan (original) ?
nice info, but looks like his unit is actually japan made