All you said about AKG K240 I noticed from personal experience.... when I used them on sound source that was not powerful enough! After pluging them to FiiO K5 amp (it delivers ~1W @ 32 ohm ) K240 change drastically for the better in all aspects. On paper they shouldn't be that power hungry but believe me they are. Sony MDR-7506 are probably the most counterfeited headphones on the market. Maybe you get fake ones.
(@inthemix ) as someone who has had 4 sets of The m40x (all have failed the same way) the biggest issue with them is they almost always brake right at the arm joint between arm fold pivot that connects the arm to the swivel not to mention finding replacement arms for them you have to go to a specific website that sells the arm replacements (they sell both sides seperatly for 15$ each as of a year ago) and not amazon as you would find for the m50x's There is no tutorials on how to do the swap (you have to Desodder the headphone wires from the boards and re fish the wires and resodder the wires back to the headphone board and its a pain in the butt trust me i've done it 2x on two sets) I managed to do it using the same sodder how ever I was also using a map torch and some fine craft picks to remove the wires from the headphone boards... once you get them off its just a matter of not braking the arms getting the new ones on (its a struggle and you will need some force but not a ton) then the hard part is fishing the whole arm assembly back through it goes from the band through swivel and fold joint arm assembly banks a 90 turn through the pivot and along the arm and then again through a hole in one the arm connection... If you do open them to replace the arm I recommend hot glue to hold the wire so you can re sodder if you don't have any good way of holding it all in place...
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Good detailed review! I’ve been using the AT M50x for the last decade. I broke one pair but the pair i use today for recording/mixing/producing have lasted about 7 years and still going strong.
The 880s are a very unique and special headphone. They take some time to get used to but they are perfect for some. I really like the closed in feel of the 770 pro myself but for anyone reading this - this guy here has some amazing tutorials and you'll learn a lot from his channel, I know I do!
I wanted to take a minute just to thank you for your contribution to the music community. A lot of what you have shared through your channel has taken me from a novice to a rapidly approaching expert!
I have been lurking around YT looking for different headphones videos, and somehow every time i find one that is somewhat legit i want to Hint them about your video, There is no other person who present it like you do and they should all take an example of you. Just a flawless presentation! And i love how you include, in my opinion being a dj, vital info about the different soundstages rather then just talk about things like "replacable parts". I truly respect your work :)
You are absolutely right about the soundstage of the DT 770 Pro. It is truly supreme in with. Sounds like you are in a huge theatre when listening to classical music. Still the soundstage of the M50s do not take place "in your ear" i would rather say when listening a typical club track... the M50s deliver the most authentic sound stage of the two; you fell like you are in the club/disco. I have tried the DT 770 Pro in both 80 and 250 Ohm. Recommended them a few times to happy recipients who prefer listening to music like Jazz or Classical Music. Also tried a few Sennheisers, Sonys, Koss, Bose and Bower Wilkins Headphones just to mention a few that are either a popular choice or really good on their own. Notable mention... the Koss Porta Pros always amaze me as a compact on Ear Headphone. But back to those two legendary Headphones ... i just bought my third pair of M50s ... my second one beeing the BT2 Variant ...which truly sounds like it is indeed wired... if you use LDAC 960kbps. So for the BT2 Variant: Stay away if you intend to use them with an iPhone or Android without LDAC 960 support. They will sound as dull or even worse than a pair of Ear Pods Max. My original pair of M50s was now 14 years old and i have used it at least a few hours every day... at home, on the go ... just always. Why did i replace them for a new pair of M50 (in the M50x Gunmetal variant :))? Because they sound so much more fun... they work for films, also Jazz and Classical Music ... although the sound stage is not nearly as wide as on the DT 770 Pros or the DT990 for that matter and the clarity is also not as defined. But exactly this clarity is for my preferred types of music too much, too airy,... i love that DnB, Techno, Rap and Trap or any type of EDM sounds like you are in the club. Huge Speaker style bass, nothing distorted, nice but tight soundstage that can become quite a bit wider with the proper recording. This btw. also makes them quite useable for fast FPS Shooter Games... positional audio is still decent while explosions sound like real explosions. "Airier" Headphones like your typical Bose or Sony NC Premium headpones, the DT 770 or the good sounding but very fragile Premium Steelseries Headsets do not reproduce mids and especially low frequencies quite as punchy but still not overexposed like the M50 do. Back to my final Audio verdict as i drifted over to why i also like to use them for really everything else. I like my audio clean, neutral and undistorted but still dirty, so when the fat baseline hits, it really hits you. So i have the peace in mind that i do not care if i listen to Simon & Garfunkel, Lil John, A$AP Rocky, The Prodigy, John Spencer Blues Explosion, ELO, Justice, Die Antwoord, Dj Shadow, Slipknot, Trampsta, Massive Attack, Dj Fresh, Autechre, Chicago, Schoolboy Q and whatnot... it all just sounds so right. Not only clean but also fun. Mind you the DT 770s will manage to play quite a few of these Artists just fine too,... but take the song Bassline Junkie from Dizzee Rascal ... the bass will not "be buzzin" on the DT 770 Pros ... so that is definately a song that sounds just weird on the DT-770 Pro. John Spencer also sounds in general nicer on the M50s although the DT770 also do a good job but they do create a different experience for the listener. So if you want a "always on" wide soundstage with pristine separation (perfect to dissect every single instrument track) and brilliant treble ... go get the DT 770 Pro´s ... they do feel more comfortable and a bit more premium. But i just cannot quit the M50s ... they sound so much more fun to me and when i need some bangers instead of the 4th coffee... the DT 770 just do not cut it. Comfort was a problem in the end with my 14 year old ones ... but both new ones feel really nice. At the very first day i should have given the Headband a little strech as the fit will hurt after a few hours if you have a rather big head like me. Now a few days in this does not bother me. Quite curious ... the Earpads from the BT2DS Variant are quite noticeable softer and feel really nice throughout a 10 hours office day (Mic is really really good for Teams and i can dual pair my phone and notebook). Still the M50 Earpads will be comfortable enough, even for longer sessions as long as they are fresh, be sure to replace them as soon as you feel the inner cup putting pressure on your ears. There are also quite a few high quality after market earcups available for the M50s ... but that sounds like a research of its own which i have been too lazy to do yet. On the ... "they sound better with age"... true to a point... Quality Headphones like the DT770, the M50s or anything performing on level or above will get slightly better within a 10-20 hour "burn in" but after that they will sound the same for ages. How to do a headphone "burn in"?! => just listen to a good variety of music with decent volume. No Rocket science and do not blow your ears off.
this guy taught me almost everything i know about fl studio and mixing music. great video as usual. on the real, where im at now i'd be happy if i won any of these.
I own the dt 770s and tried the m50x in comparison for a few weeks. I can totally agree with everything you said about both. Hence, I'd trust your judgment of the other headphones right away
The Sony MDR 7506 _are_ an industry standard, you will find them _everywhere_ in the pro world. **But** they are a standard for a very specific reason: they are very cheap (relative to a production/set budget), light, and they accentuate all the wrong frequencies in the "right" way, making them quite good for monitoring/tracking audio (of all sort, but mostly vocals and ambiance) and noticing problems very fast (like somebody just activate the AC on set, or a phone is ringing on the floor below). They would be atrocious for mixing and mastering. As for comfort, they need to be broken in a bit, but they aren't for wearing 8 hours straight that's for sure :)
@*-* Try them if you can. If you spend a lot of hours transcribing, they can be fatiguing. Usually you want some mid-forward cans, with a lot of details in the high, for transcribing. But honestly, that can be somewhat EQ, even in software, so I would go for long term comfort first and foremost than EQ for this specific application.
I actually have a pair of 7506's and whilst they may not be the best sounding overall, this is a plus point for mixing. These headphones are not forgiving at all when it comes to clipping and you can really hear a difference in older music compared to some of the newer stuff when it comes to "too much" in a mix. In my opinion these headphones can really help you push a mix as its a nice balance between a 32ohm and an 80ohm. Also with my oddly shaped head, these are quite comfortable despite the rigid look.
The 7506 are the only ones in this list that can reliably detect even the smallest amount of DR over-compression. They don't sound bad, they just bring unwanted attention to bad mastering practices.
Hi, thank you so much for guiding us again! I've been using the Sennheiser HD 25 for about two years right now. I know they aren't especially made for music production but they work really well because of their flat sound, a large frequency spectrum and their build quality which is absolutely insane. I didn't need to replace or repair anything since I bought them!
Honestly, I think you've nailed it straight off that paying that bit more makes a big difference. My preference is the Beyerdynamics too (I use both DT770 and DT990 pros depending on circumstances), but the Audio Technica ones are great too, and really both are so good imo that its just personal preference between them. The cheap AKGs are really disappointing - I bought a set of the 240 ones (possibly mkii tho) when I was starting to get into studio work as they seemed like a decent, and affordable choice, but I wish I'd just held off a little and spent a bit more as it would have made starting out so much more enjoyable.
Politely I'm quite surprised the Sony MDR 7506 are rated second off bottom? but it all depends on what sort of music you are mixing if used as studio monitoring headphones? I have to say as studio headphones stand, the MDR7506 are excellent! ... they are flat response giving you a near accurate mix with no false dynamics or booming bass? ... but of course if listening to general music the MDR 7506 may not suit the general listener? ... Also the structure / comfort and design of the MDR 7506 has never failed on me yet, and I have used these headphones for years.
The reason the Sony headphones are so highly rated is because they have such a neutral flat response, which is ideal for editing. Most of the others you reviewed had a base bias, or extended mid range etc, Which isn’t recommended if your editing audio. That’s why they are the industry standard, not because they sound the most pleasing when listening to music!
Agreed! I’ve been using these headphones for almost 15 years because of how much you can get out of your mix with them. And they may feel plasticky, but I can tell you they last many years with lots of abuse lol.
Superb informative and objective review - probably the best i've seen. I've been using MDR 7506 for years, purchased entirely on positive reviews and without something to compare them to they seemed to do the job. They've reached the end of their life [cable issues] so this presentation is timed to perfection; thank you so much. I was on the cusp of purchasing HD280 Pro - enough said.
I run the Sennheiser HD280 Pro for mixing and recording - I like them, BUT, the overall quality is pretty the basic Apple headphones sound but better. This surprisingly has its benefits when testing final mixes through a profile that most people might actually listen to the music on.
I'm using the AKG MK240II since 2009 or 2010, always been happy with them. Well my son almost broke them a few weeks ago so I'm gonna keep in mind your suggestions, just in case!😩😂👍thanks
Sony MDR 7506 headphones are what sound engineers provide when musicians need headphones whilst rehearsing and recording. They are rated at 63 Ohms so as you well know, they don't need a headphone preamp to drive them hard. They are considered the studios workhorse headphones for a reason, cheap sound good and extremely functional. As for the DT770s, yip good but the 990s are miles better for mixing and final mastering, better be cos thats what I bought and use but I also have a set or two of the Sony 7506s !!
I would just like to say that burning in headphones is a myth, they sound the exact same out of the box as they will after a week of using. It only seems to be that way cus it takes some time for your ears to adapt to the sound of new headphones(about 3 weeks to be able to fully understand their sound) so just playing them over night does nothing. ik its not really plausable to wear each of these headphones for 3 weeks at a time to make a review for them but in order to ideally review them thats whats necessary
Nope its not a myth. Thats what I also thought at first. I used to say its the same components moving in the same housing, sam magnets, same coil, same cone, etc so how can it change. So I let it burn in for a while and then when I tried it the next day it was sounding quite different. Its usually a little warmer smoother and less harsh after a burn in and I noticed the same too on a couple of other headpjones and earphones that I owned. So I checked it up and some say that the burn in loosens up the drivers to reach their full potential because they are a bit stiff after manufacture. So its not a myth. If I had been using them for a couple of days and felt the sound changed then I could have agreed with you that my ears adapted to it. But u was not using it during the burn in and then the next day when I tried them they were quite different, not just for one but most of the headphones I owned. So its not a myth but quite a reality.
@@adamwidegren9995 I don't need to explain in-depth when there are plenty of tests that have been carried out that debunk this myth. Here is one of many. www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/break-in I have also owned lots of headphones and speakers over the years, and have never noticed any difference after so-called 'Burn-In' I absolutely love music, and love gear, but I despise the outright lies within the industry and community.
Why I really like the ATH M50x: The detail is incredible. I can safely notch out annoying frequencies in a mix. I like the isolation with the leather cushions and the closed back design. *Tipp* : In Gaming, I use an EQ and stomp on everything from 16k and up, so the harshness gets away. And they are constantly on sale somewhere as I heard from others :D Ps: I would also say they have a good amount of bass but this wording could be confusing, because they also have an excellent bass response. It's not too much but just precisely what you put in.
I'm concerned the 50s would put too much bass into it and muddy treble to high freqs, however more powerful treble to high freqs also brighten too much the bass. Do the 50s deliver all of em correctly? Thanks in advance
Straight to the favorites and a detail description. Thanks for not making us wait through the whole video. It actually made watching the whole video worth it because of the straightforwardness from the beginning.
I came across this video in my prolonged search of trying to find the right headphones that work for my needs. Thus far I've bought 6 different headphones and to my ears, they all sound essentially the same -- bass is too heavy and it comes out sounding too muffled. Like hearing it in another room. I've tried again and again to find someone who really knows headphones to recommend me a pair, and it just seems a never ending cycle of frustration. I had no idea about "burning" new headphones. I really don't even wanna to think that perhaps any of the headphones I tested maybe would sound better with more than just a few songs played through. I'm not a musician, so I don't have a grasp on the right lingo and such. Honestly best way I can explain it is your basic wired $20 Apple ear buds, sound perfect to me. The clarity is solid, there's no aggressive bass boast, it's consistent. The only reason I even tried to start looking into headphones was because of ear aches -- trying to avoid putting in ear buds. Thus far the only thing I've really learned with my headphone "testing" is on the ear headphones are more comfortable for me versus over the ear -- whilst wearing glasses. But not much else beyond that. I don't understand why headphones seem so much more expensive than ear buds -- I just need them for every day use. Any legitimate recommendations for a set that reasonably matches those $20 ear buds' quality would be immensely helpful. 🙏🏻Ideally without costing an arm and a leg. $150 would be pushing it for me, but I'm desperate at this point.
I use the Sony MDR for quite a while now and used them for my first single release. They are so comfortable for my head. I don't sweat in them and I can wear them for a couple of hours. But, you are right, the low mids and the bass are hard to hear. I guess, for each headphone, you should always check out the inbuilt equalizer. All in all, it does not really matter what headphones you are using. As long as you are used to the sound, you can also mix and master your stuff with them, because you know how other professionally mixed songs sound on your headphones.
Wow! Best review of headphones I've seen so far. I've watched so many videos looking for certain specifics about a couple of these and finally I have arrived. Thank you for all the work you put into this! Subscribed!
I like using my 1990 pro for casual listening too but most of the time I use a pair of bose qc35ii for general listening/travel/fun etc! Are you looking to get a pair for work, listening enjoyment or a bit of both?
Note that the Senn 280 pro is extremely flat and found in virtually every recording studio world wide. They are amazing head phones that won’t artificially colour the sound! Agreed on the clamp force. Trade off. Also the ear cap is oval resembling the human ear, not round which is a favourable shape to build. $129 Canadian. Great videos! Thx G
i trust your judgment the most out of any music channel on here lol. i was planning on getting the Audio Technica M20x but after watching this im definitely gonna get the M30x instead. this video was so helpful! i really appreciate these gear review videos because trying to find good (and affordable) gear is just so overwhelming as a beginner
Thanks for the list friend! I just got the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro headphones, they are very similar to my Samson SR950's set that i'd been using but the 770s are less "screetchy" at the top end so definitely an improvement. And now I see many folks using them online and replacement parts are much easier to find. Thanks for the help!
Absolutely magnificent video. To the point. Nothing was excessive. Your diction and communication's skills are fantastic. You don't shout at us, you don't mega stimulate with over editing, you don't speak overly excited. You don't try so hard like most people to grab our attention. For that alone I have subscribed. And plus, you helped me choose my new headphones. Congratulations. This is how you do it. ♥️
Of the all reviews out there, this is the one I kept going back to and made my decision based on your recommendations and advice. Clear, informative and straight to the point. Thank you
I feel your decision. Got the AKG240MKII as first pair based on a recommendation and I was so disappointed. I bought the DT990 Pro afterwards and I'm very happy with them.
The 240M2 are studio headphones they say 55 ohms, but they an need amp that can push 150ohms+ headphone. They will lack bass and treble if your you can't can't power them, the same with 702s.
i have k240 studio akg headphones and i cant tell nothing wrong about them, i was comparing them with mk2's and imo studios are better. quality for a buck on very high level
@@kalidesu I used them on the same interface where I use the 150Ohm Beyers now so I don't think that the interface is the problem here ;) If the AKG is the right decision for you feel confident with it, but for me they just didn't came close to what I excepted.
The AKG K240 (K240MkII, K240 Studio, and the Massdrop/AKG M220 are all the same headphone: I've taken apart each one to reveal identical components, right down to the model # on the drivers themselves) need a capable amplifier; they will sound meagre, weak and thin otherwise. They should also be recognized as a product of their time: the current 55ohm incarnation dates back to the mid-70's, when they were originally a 600ohm headphone(!). They will reproduce, with accuracy (when properly amplified), any instrument in an orchestra. That's what they were originally designed for. They will not, however, reproduce frequencies that can only be generated in software. With all that said, for the genres I listen to (instrumental, symphonic, opera) they are the most natural-sounding of the headphones I own, among which include Sennheiser HD600/650; Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990; and AKG K701/702/712's. They're very likely my favourite, as well. Note that the K240MkII come with a second set of velour earpads, in addition to the stock vinyl. Throw out the velour set: you'll neither be needing nor wanting them.
The K240mk2 is a classic before stinking Loudness War and Extra Bass was invented - yes mr.dre. A lot of albums were done on them, as they were hps to go for many sound engineers. Sorry but I'm not Beyers fun, hmm the DT250 are flat, because of their highs.
A very good review and evaluation of these models, thanks for expending your own money to provide the review. Don’t forget that one can EQ/preamp the source to remove harsh highs, or to scoop the minds, or to balance the bass end for “thump” without toilet bowl rumble. So, with good EQ practices, one can make any one of these models to fit personal sound profile needs. For this list, I’d consider any of the top 5. It can often come down to which one is most comfortable to wear, not to discount the size and quality of the drivers, of course.
I have both M50s and DT770 Pros. M50s are fatiguing without Sonarworks, DT770s are way more comfortable otherwise too (the band is softer). One thing I hope people would remember though is, that people have differently shaped heads and ears so it's not always "one model fits all". :) In my case, the top of my head and ears get irritated very easily, so I need a very good soft headphone band and cups. DT770s have been the best for me so far.
I had headphones for $20 for 2-3 years. Then decided 770 pro for 150$. I like listening to music so I said F it if I buy at least a good one. 3 years passed still love my 770 pro 80ohm. Sturdy and comfy AF. Dropped them like 5-10 times from table height, no scratches, no audio damage. Beyerdynamic you rock!
i've been using ATH M40X for a long time and i love them, they're the most suitable mixing headphones for me, definitely prefer them over ATH M50X. this video is amazing btw, definitely a gem for those who are looking to buy their first studio monitoring headphones!
@@fredi1505 yeah. It's actually my fault for its short life. I used it everywhere. Rehearsals, vocal tracking, instrument tracking, mixing, listening, to watching movies.
Thanks for your thoughts. The headphone field is fraught w challenges. As a voice actor, (previously film editor, and location sound mixer) in business for decades, I have extensive experience with Beyerdynamic DT770, Austrian Audio Hi-X55, AKG k553 mkii, 240, 140, and Sony MDR-7506, 7509, 7510, and 7520. Favorite for best detail and texture by far is the Sony MDR-7520 which is sadly discontinued. I just picked up an eBay replacement for mine which blew out by an unfortunate transient after years of faithful service. Agreed that today's 7506 are not as good as they once were, which was never great but at least a known quantity in the broadcast/film industry. They remain the only "studio monitors" in Sony's lineup. The 7509 were fine, used them for many years before getting the 7520. The 7510 were not great at all. Used the DT770s all last year, and agree w your description. They are quite accurate BUT the acoustics of the cups give the sound way too much space for voice over recording, rather than that intimate "in your head" sound you ascribe to the AT. ALSO...the build quality is not great on the 770s. Noisy plastic parts rubbing together create distracting sounds. The Hi-X55 were touted by all as super-detailed. I was enormously disappointed and returned them immediately. Sounded just awful: inaccurate and cheap. Likewise the K553 mkii, which used to be well-regarded but are no longer made in Austria, and I really can't say enough bad about their sound. I flew in a different Japan-only model Sony for big $, and immediately returned them as well. I am pleased to hear your assessment of the AT, which, along w Shure SRH1540 at a much higher pricepoint, would be in contention next for me, should my new/old stock 7520s not last forever either. Good work!
as a producer, i own the M50X and the AKG K 702 and i subscribe to everything Thomas said. They are both brilliant, but i end up usind the M50X 90% of the time. However since i st arted watching movies with the AKG K702 i was in awe of how absolutely gorgeous they sound with movies. IT sounds like you are inside the movie.
I've been using my k240 mk2s for many years for all my audio projects start to finish, and I've found them brilliant in every way. My point here is, we all have different hearing responses at different frequencies, different headfones will suit different ears. . . That's it. Great review, but also kinda pointless, unless you're wearing his ears !!! . . You gotta try them yourself !! . . . Happy Days. . .
Bought a m40x few months ago and they're amazing.I'm satisfied with the high end,mid and the low end.Recommend it definitely to everyone who wants to mix and master.
In my experience, the akg k240s (more common than the mkii) excel through even my half decent record setup. Plenty of bass and soundstage. Not too good through a phone audio jack because of the higher impedance. I think the old school design makes them better for analog systems.
I've been using my k240 mk2s for many years for all my audio projects start to finish, and I've found them brilliant in every way. My point here is, we all have different hearing responses at different frequencies, different headfones will suit different ears. . . That's it. Great review but also kinda pointless, unless you're wearing his ears. . . Happy Days. . .
Sounds like you got a lemon on the mdr7506. I'm a voice-over engineer and use the DT's and MDR's and have never heard anything close to what I heard about your mdr experience. Interesting. As far as the AT, the M40 is their best headphones. Hopefully, you can test those.
One more thing, My Friends tell me that I’ve got a slight british accent and I think it’s because I’ve seen so many of Michael’s super useful videos. Thank you soooooo much Michael! Your video are so perfect that even me being a beginner, I didn’t face any problem understanding your videos. I learnt everything in fl studio from you and yes, can’t thank you enough 🙏😊 Greetings from India!
I have the airplanes headphones ( AKG 240) aha I heard a lot of positive about them that's why i bouht them a year ago thinking all this time that my ears had to adapt to this pain ^^ will definitly go for the Beyer after seing this :) thanks a lot for the great content as always :)
Everytime I have to look up something studio or production related your videos are the first to show up and every single time I get all my questions answered. So thanks for everything.
Exactly what i was looking for man. Someone that actually reviewed them instead of reading off the details aboot the hardware lol. Thank you genuinely, yoooou saved countless time in this world for people.
Most people I’ve seen doing “Best headphone list” have never used the headphones and are reading from a script comprised of reviews. I’m glad I’ve found a video I can trust
I have used the M20X audio Technica headphones for like 3/4 years I believe, only issue I find is the cable does wear quite easily so does the padding but the pads on the ears doesn't cause any discomfort and the audio is amazing for the price range, I have had to buy a 2nd pair of these but I just found the price and quality to be worth it. Kinda was shocked to see it on the list still as I was looking to upgrade (which I still am) but just goes to show they put the work in the right places for those earphones
I received the m40s today, the volume seems to be very low and idk if it's my ears or the details are lacking and I don't enjoy the sound of it, idk if its a good thing
My main pair is Sony MDR 7506 with Wicked Cushions replacement pads. They make a big difference and improve the sound considerably. I also have and love the Audio Technica ATH40s.
That's exactly what I use for studio reference! The Sony's with replaced pads. I have Audio Technica ath-50 which is fun to listen to with it's naturally boosted bass but they are uncomfortable and VERY uncomfortable if I'm wearing glasses!
I got the Audeze Maxwell and love them. They are a little to the heavy side, but the sound is the best I've ever heard. For gaming without delay, there's a usb dongle so you don't need to connect with BT. No delay at all and 80 hours of listening or gaming. $ 299,-
Do you have the 990 pros or the 990 edition? I just ordered my dt 990 edition a few days ago and and very excited to finally unbox them and listen to my favourite music with it.
I have the 990 Pros. They feel to me like there's something missing. Ditto my pair of 702s, though they're missing a different part of the range. Sigh...
@@kaseywarren2106 Thanks! That might be it, as reading around it seems my interface hasn't got the necessary grunt. However, I've got headphone amp to hand that will hopefully do the trick...
So I have the ATH-M40X and I am happy with them, I also love sound coming from around you so maybe I'll buy the Dt770pro in the future By the way your videos are especially so good because you are so relaxed all time!
Nice! For an even more wide open feeling maybe try to DT 990pro? That way you will have the 40s for recording and referencing and the DT990 for your detailed mixing and mastering?
I understand the hate for AKG702. I hated them earlier on, but as I got use to them, I realized my perception of sound soon started aligning with Fletcher Menson's curve. Headphones by nature have an innate problem with tuning bass frequencies owing to construction limitations and the low air depth between the cans and the ear drums. Hence, they turn to be slightly bass heavy. AKG has found some ingenuous way to find a solution for this innate problem. You could check it's test comparison with the mighty Sennheisser 800 used mostly by classical producers at Rtings, they share an almost similar frequency spec.
I've been thinking about getting better headphones for my podcast editing and post and my two options have been the M40x and the DT240 Pro. This video is just what i needed. Going for the Audio Technica. Thanks man, your content is always useful
Great video! Very informative and to the point. I have been looking, asking, searching for months to buy my new headphone for my mini home studio. I was almost ready to buy the dt 770. BUT most of the people i talked (for my gear, money etc) told me that if the audio interface is low budget no good quality headphones can perform well and there is no reason in giving the money for the DTs. Especially the 250oms. Lots of people suggested me also to go for open back , if i don't record with mics or annoy anyone at home. So before your video and after so many conversations/recommendations.....i was going for AKG240 mii (half open back, good recommendation for low budget audio interface) . But then......your video KILLED ME :P The Audio Technica M40x/50x is also highly recommended but i m confused with so many guys telling me about the open back's better quality. The DT 990 comes only in 220ohms (i think) :( I was hoping there would be recommendations for low budget audio interface also in your video. What would you suggest for my behringer u-phoria umc22 ? Can the DT770 32ohm perform well enough? Do you recommend / agree with the open back headphones? Are the AKG k240 mii that bad for me? Thank you for you time Edit. i just saw an older videos of yours talking about the deference between 32 ohm vs 250 ohm and open back and closed headphones. So you helped me a lot. You also said almost the some things most of people have told me. So i guess it all leads to another additional question. Should i save money for a more expensive audio interface plus DT 770-990s or leave that for later and buy cheaper headphones that work great with my behringer u-phoria umc22?
Thanks for doing this! I had the Sony MDR 7506 for nearly 9 years and have to say i get the point about build-quality feeling like plastic, but they lasted me for years. But i want to try out the Audio Technica and Beyerdynamic because i hear a lot of good stuff about them aswell. The Sony was always recommended as an ''industry standard'' but i feel you hit the nail right on the head when talking about comfort, feel and soundspace.
Funniest thing. I've had my M50's since 2014 (still on the same pair) and was watching to see a recommendation for a new pair. Over time I've just started wanting to use them less and less. At 3:24 I was so surprised because I realized that the issue of highs being severe was the main reason I wanted to replace these. I remember when I first got them they sounded great. The typical problems with ATH over-ears tend to be with the earpads and band getting worn down and if that was the only issue I'd just repair them, but the highs overwhelm the sound now and you're the first person I've heard say this.
I know this video is old, but maybe some people are still watching because they are looking for quality headphones. Anyway, I saw this video a few weeks ago and a few others and decided to get the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro headphones. I believe they are currently 18% off right now on the ProAudio website. They are indeed very comfortable about have great sound quality. My only complaint was that the headband made the top of my head hurt for a few days, but once they broke in that was no longer an issue. My brother happened to order a pair of JBL headphones at the same time that ordered the Beyerdynamics. He offered me to try them out and I was really impressed with the sound quality and comfort of them as well. They are currently 60% off right now on the JBL website and they also offer payment plans. I ordered a pair myself and got them delivered after making my first payment of $12. Just wanted to put it out there. I’m not a sponsor or anything, just want to help others who may be looking for good quality headphones for a cheaper price. Not sure how long the sale is going for, but I thought I’d share while it’s still going. Thanks again for the content you make. I’m really glad I found your channel. You’ve already helped me a lot.
For me, it's the Sony MDR. They're the only headphones I've been able to accurately mix on. Weird, right? I suspect it hits a balance of what I hear and what's hyped, because I listen at a very low volume. Most headphones don't have good enough low end for it to sound natural at low volumes and don't have good enough sound cancelation for me to accurately use them at low volumes. The Beyer dynamics would be great, I'd love to try a pair. Unfortunately, the audio technicas don't translate well for me. I frequently find my mixes feel far too scooped when I use them :( Probably just a comfort thing. But when it comes to doing professional work for clients, I can't afford to be off my game. All this to say... I wish everyone could try the headphones themselves before they had to commit lol
@@tylancarino2959 well, im having a great time with the m40s , at first they were a bit uncomfortable, but after a month or two, they're a lot more comfortable. As of the hinge, i haven't heard about it much of a problem.
I have the same experience. The Sony completely lacks bass. I bought them for tracking but have been frustrated because I have no idea what the mic is really picking up in reality. It baffles me how well regarded the 7506 is. The AKG k240 are unusable and muffled.
Really good video. I tested lots of headphones and I also prefer the DT770 Pro 80ohms. The soundstage is amazing for this price range. Very competitive product also against headphones more expensive !
Came here for headphone input (pun intended). Apologies if this has been mentioned already: Seems like the DT 770 Pro's price has increased significantly since this post, or is just more pricey in Canada ($250) but ah, I'm still going to buy them, based on your review (and many other happy online reviews!) Love your channel and content. Much respek!
Amazing info. I started with the ATH-M30x and went to the ATH-M20x and I’m almost ready to go back to the M30x. I LOVE audio-technica and I think they have done an amazing job when it comes to working with bass.
Honestly speaking I’ve had them for about a good 3 to 4 years now and their barely cracking. I just personally took a look a them the other day. The earcups to be exact. Most headphones I went threw end up falling apart in less then 2 years. I definitely would recommend them for sure. 🔥🔥🔥
@@divinevirtualreality which one do you think would be more durable in every aspect including the earcups pads for someone who uses them 6h a day .. The 30s or 20s?
I have the M20x’s and they are pretty loud when hooked up to my behringer U-Phoria UMC22, but they get even crazier in sound when it comes to the M30x’s messing with the bass and treble. 🔥🔥🔥 If you can get the M30x’s I recommend them, if not M20x’s are amazing to. After years of creating music I have no complaints about this brand of headphones. The M30x’s also fold up for easy travel.
I would love to hear more about why you disliked the Sony MDRs. Having upgraded from the older HD280s, I found that the MDR 7506 provided clear sound reproduction and a balanced finish; I've made music start to finish on them. I will agree that the build is a bit plasticky and the foam on the cups wear out after a while (I've had mine for 3 years now and they're starting to come apart) but I've never had an issue with the sound quality, so I find it fascinating that you did.
@@sheabryantmusicsound quality can depend on so many things like , source audio file, DAC in iPad, iPhone, Macbook / Laptop you are using. The ATH- M40 with brainwaves, Sony MDR 7506 and Beyer Dynamic 80ohm are the best across all audio configurations in my experiences 7506 are not perfect. I have found problems with the base experience. I listen to a file on my MacBook (2014, 13”) and the file sounds fine. But in my car (Grand Caravan) the file will have no bass. These things are difficult to explain, but I’m sure other people have had similar experiences with the 7506 I love the way 7506 pushes vocals deep in your brain, especially in the 2nd verses of songs
Great review. A lot of people rave about the HD 280 PRO but I agree with your assessment. The frequency response is pretty weird. I'm now replacing them with HD 300 PRO which is much much better. I'd put it on par with the 80 ohm DT770 PRO sound wise or maybe even a bit better in the low bass region. It isolates better then the Beyer but the clamping force is just as high as the 280 PRO. The 770 PRO is more comfy.
I use akg 240's, you are right about them....but you really need to bed them in, after a few hours of use they start to sound a lot better, they do say this in the blurb..
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All you said about AKG K240 I noticed from personal experience.... when I used them on sound source that was not powerful enough! After pluging them to FiiO K5 amp (it delivers ~1W @ 32 ohm ) K240 change drastically for the better in all aspects. On paper they shouldn't be that power hungry but believe me they are.
Sony MDR-7506 are probably the most counterfeited headphones on the market. Maybe you get fake ones.
(@inthemix ) as someone who has had 4 sets of The m40x (all have failed the same way) the biggest issue with them is they almost always brake right at the arm joint between arm fold pivot that connects the arm to the swivel not to mention finding replacement arms for them you have to go to a specific website that sells the arm replacements (they sell both sides seperatly for 15$ each as of a year ago) and not amazon as you would find for the m50x's
There is no tutorials on how to do the swap (you have to Desodder the headphone wires from the boards and re fish the wires and resodder the wires back to the headphone board and its a pain in the butt trust me i've done it 2x on two sets) I managed to do it using the same sodder how ever I was also using a map torch and some fine craft picks to remove the wires from the headphone boards... once you get them off its just a matter of not braking the arms getting the new ones on (its a struggle and you will need some force but not a ton) then the hard part is fishing the whole arm assembly back through it goes from the band through swivel and fold joint arm assembly banks a 90 turn through the pivot and along the arm and then again through a hole in one the arm connection... If you do open them to replace the arm I recommend hot glue to hold the wire so you can re sodder if you don't have any good way of holding it all in place...
please advise, I'm thinking between dt 240 pro and 770 PRO (32ohm)?
I would use them for video editing on a laptop (macbook 13 m1 2020)
Thank you
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This man is on a mission to stop new every music producer from making mistakes. What a legend!
I've discovered DAWs a few months ago. Same with Michael's channel. Thank goodness for that, I've learned so much!
@Fisher Man no this man is a true legend you never heard of before
@Fisher Man yes I agree he is a legend but his name is not written on paper, so CNN won't show it, BBC won't show it, it's just us few realize him that he is a true legend AND THATS US.
SEARCH ON TH-cam for a song name Legend by chronnix he is a jamaican artiste
That's the song best describe him in the producer realm
@@jaymusik1235 mate you'll forget him EASILY after 1 week.
@@jaymusik1235 also "famoues or not"
Dude. You‘re a blessing. Just today I thought „man I really need some better Headphones“. Godsent.
Same
Ya same
its just your data used by youtube to project business growth lol
God sent him to show you some sick headphones.
Okay.
Which ones did you buy 😂
Much respect for doing an unbiased, nonsponsored review.
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@@sohyangworld1544 lmao what???
Good detailed review! I’ve been using the AT M50x for the last decade. I broke one pair but the pair i use today for recording/mixing/producing have lasted about 7 years and still going strong.
At m50x is good for watching movies olso?
@@harshal8908 pretty much anything audio they’re good for.
@@cpthegenius Brother 50x is going a little out of my budget. So will it work if I take 30x?
@@harshal8908I suggest going for the 40s
@@harshal8908 M20x is actually more accurate
Great video - thanks for the detail - probably going to go for the Beyerdynamic 880s or 770s
I am also a big fan of Beyerdynamic, I LOVE my DT880s pro. I've made full productions from scratch to mastering only using this. Great guide, cheers!
The 880s are a very unique and special headphone. They take some time to get used to but they are perfect for some. I really like the closed in feel of the 770 pro myself but for anyone reading this - this guy here has some amazing tutorials and you'll learn a lot from his channel, I know I do!
2 pros chatting 😅
@@inthemix Im considering buying the DT770 for producing on the go. Thanks for the mention!
@@inthemix I use 770s for DJing since I need isolation and 990s for mixing to avoid ear fatigue
Producer collab? Maybe? No? Ok...😂😂
I wanted to take a minute just to thank you for your contribution to the music community. A lot of what you have shared through your channel has taken me from a novice to a rapidly approaching expert!
Bro I honestly love your dedication, and you seem like such a nice guy, thanks again for always putting yourself out there for all of us!
Cheers Gavin!
Agree
I have been lurking around YT looking for different headphones videos, and somehow every time i find one that is somewhat legit i want to Hint them about your video, There is no other person who present it like you do and they should all take an example of you. Just a flawless presentation! And i love how you include, in my opinion being a dj, vital info about the different soundstages rather then just talk about things like "replacable parts". I truly respect your work :)
You are absolutely right about the soundstage of the DT 770 Pro. It is truly supreme in with. Sounds like you are in a huge theatre when listening to classical music. Still the soundstage of the M50s do not take place "in your ear" i would rather say when listening a typical club track... the M50s deliver the most authentic sound stage of the two; you fell like you are in the club/disco.
I have tried the DT 770 Pro in both 80 and 250 Ohm. Recommended them a few times to happy recipients who prefer listening to music like Jazz or Classical Music.
Also tried a few Sennheisers, Sonys, Koss, Bose and Bower Wilkins Headphones just to mention a few that are either a popular choice or really good on their own.
Notable mention... the Koss Porta Pros always amaze me as a compact on Ear Headphone.
But back to those two legendary Headphones ... i just bought my third pair of M50s ... my second one beeing the BT2 Variant ...which truly sounds like it is indeed wired... if you use LDAC 960kbps.
So for the BT2 Variant: Stay away if you intend to use them with an iPhone or Android without LDAC 960 support. They will sound as dull or even worse than a pair of Ear Pods Max.
My original pair of M50s was now 14 years old and i have used it at least a few hours every day... at home, on the go ... just always.
Why did i replace them for a new pair of M50 (in the M50x Gunmetal variant :))? Because they sound so much more fun... they work for films, also Jazz and Classical Music ... although the sound stage is not nearly as wide as on the DT 770 Pros or the DT990 for that matter and the clarity is also not as defined.
But exactly this clarity is for my preferred types of music too much, too airy,... i love that DnB, Techno, Rap and Trap or any type of EDM sounds like you are in the club.
Huge Speaker style bass, nothing distorted, nice but tight soundstage that can become quite a bit wider with the proper recording.
This btw. also makes them quite useable for fast FPS Shooter Games... positional audio is still decent while explosions sound like real explosions.
"Airier" Headphones like your typical Bose or Sony NC Premium headpones, the DT 770 or the good sounding but very fragile Premium Steelseries Headsets do not reproduce mids and especially low frequencies quite as punchy but still not overexposed like the M50 do.
Back to my final Audio verdict as i drifted over to why i also like to use them for really everything else.
I like my audio clean, neutral and undistorted but still dirty, so when the fat baseline hits, it really hits you.
So i have the peace in mind that i do not care if i listen to Simon & Garfunkel, Lil John, A$AP Rocky, The Prodigy, John Spencer Blues Explosion, ELO, Justice, Die Antwoord, Dj Shadow, Slipknot, Trampsta, Massive Attack, Dj Fresh, Autechre, Chicago, Schoolboy Q and whatnot... it all just sounds so right. Not only clean but also fun.
Mind you the DT 770s will manage to play quite a few of these Artists just fine too,... but take the song Bassline Junkie from Dizzee Rascal ... the bass will not "be buzzin" on the DT 770 Pros ...
so that is definately a song that sounds just weird on the DT-770 Pro.
John Spencer also sounds in general nicer on the M50s although the DT770 also do a good job but they do create a different experience for the listener.
So if you want a "always on" wide soundstage with pristine separation (perfect to dissect every single instrument track) and brilliant treble ... go get the DT 770 Pro´s ... they do feel more comfortable and a bit more premium.
But i just cannot quit the M50s ... they sound so much more fun to me and when i need some bangers instead of the 4th coffee... the DT 770 just do not cut it.
Comfort was a problem in the end with my 14 year old ones ... but both new ones feel really nice.
At the very first day i should have given the Headband a little strech as the fit will hurt after a few hours if you have a rather big head like me.
Now a few days in this does not bother me.
Quite curious ... the Earpads from the BT2DS Variant are quite noticeable softer and feel really nice throughout a 10 hours office day (Mic is really really good for Teams and i can dual pair my phone and notebook).
Still the M50 Earpads will be comfortable enough, even for longer sessions as long as they are fresh, be sure to replace them as soon as you feel the inner cup putting pressure on your ears.
There are also quite a few high quality after market earcups available for the M50s ... but that sounds like a research of its own which i have been too lazy to do yet.
On the ... "they sound better with age"... true to a point... Quality Headphones like the DT770, the M50s or anything performing on level or above will get slightly better within a 10-20 hour "burn in" but after that they will sound the same for ages.
How to do a headphone "burn in"?! => just listen to a good variety of music with decent volume. No Rocket science and do not blow your ears off.
this guy taught me almost everything i know about fl studio and mixing music. great video as usual.
on the real, where im at now i'd be happy if i won any of these.
I own the dt 770s and tried the m50x in comparison for a few weeks. I can totally agree with everything you said about both. Hence, I'd trust your judgment of the other headphones right away
Which sound stage did you like better ?
The Sony MDR 7506 _are_ an industry standard, you will find them _everywhere_ in the pro world. **But** they are a standard for a very specific reason: they are very cheap (relative to a production/set budget), light, and they accentuate all the wrong frequencies in the "right" way, making them quite good for monitoring/tracking audio (of all sort, but mostly vocals and ambiance) and noticing problems very fast (like somebody just activate the AC on set, or a phone is ringing on the floor below).
They would be atrocious for mixing and mastering.
As for comfort, they need to be broken in a bit, but they aren't for wearing 8 hours straight that's for sure :)
I totally agree with you, I have used them for years and years, and they are not meant to be music monitors.
Hahaha, I have all the most headphones he listed plus a few others. I agree with you haha
@*-* They should work just fine for that, they are pretty flat.
@*-* Try them if you can. If you spend a lot of hours transcribing, they can be fatiguing. Usually you want some mid-forward cans, with a lot of details in the high, for transcribing. But honestly, that can be somewhat EQ, even in software, so I would go for long term comfort first and foremost than EQ for this specific application.
My go to headphones for live and studio work since Sony discontinued the mighty and fragile MDR-V700.
I actually have a pair of 7506's and whilst they may not be the best sounding overall, this is a plus point for mixing. These headphones are not forgiving at all when it comes to clipping and you can really hear a difference in older music compared to some of the newer stuff when it comes to "too much" in a mix. In my opinion these headphones can really help you push a mix as its a nice balance between a 32ohm and an 80ohm. Also with my oddly shaped head, these are quite comfortable despite the rigid look.
7506 are the NS10 of headphones 🎧
The 7506 are the only ones in this list that can reliably detect even the smallest amount of DR over-compression. They don't sound bad, they just bring unwanted attention to bad mastering practices.
7506 the best headphones on this list
I went to guitar center and picked up the ATH M40 after watching your video . Best investment I’ve made in a while.
Can we take this time to appreciate what he actually did for us. Im sure this video required a lot of time and money. Thanks
EXACTLY....He is literally the chosen one that would save us from 2020 probably :)
Let's also take this time to appreciate how insanely good looking he is. Woof.
@@nicolasdesautels2848 nah...you can do that by yourself Nick...
Always look forward to his videos
yeh thats right...
Hi, thank you so much for guiding us again! I've been using the Sennheiser HD 25 for about two years right now. I know they aren't especially made for music production but they work really well because of their flat sound, a large frequency spectrum and their build quality which is absolutely insane. I didn't need to replace or repair anything since I bought them!
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Honestly, I think you've nailed it straight off that paying that bit more makes a big difference. My preference is the Beyerdynamics too (I use both DT770 and DT990 pros depending on circumstances), but the Audio Technica ones are great too, and really both are so good imo that its just personal preference between them.
The cheap AKGs are really disappointing - I bought a set of the 240 ones (possibly mkii tho) when I was starting to get into studio work as they seemed like a decent, and affordable choice, but I wish I'd just held off a little and spent a bit more as it would have made starting out so much more enjoyable.
We are on the same page it seems. I wish I had this sort of help buying headphones the first time, it can be an expensive way to learn!
Politely I'm quite surprised the Sony MDR 7506 are rated second off bottom? but it all depends on what sort of music you are mixing if used as studio monitoring headphones? I have to say as studio headphones stand, the MDR7506 are excellent! ... they are flat response giving you a near accurate mix with no false dynamics or booming bass? ... but of course if listening to general music the MDR 7506 may not suit the general listener? ... Also the structure / comfort and design of the MDR 7506 has never failed on me yet, and I have used these headphones for years.
The reason the Sony headphones are so highly rated is because they have such a neutral flat response, which is ideal for editing. Most of the others you reviewed had a base bias, or extended mid range etc,
Which isn’t recommended if your editing audio.
That’s why they are the industry standard, not because they sound the most pleasing when listening to music!
agree! i love my sony mdr-7506's a lot!
Gotcha - yeah I was wondering why everyone was raving about them - I bought them and didn’t like them at all - but this makes sense
same with hd-25
Agreed! I’ve been using these headphones for almost 15 years because of how much you can get out of your mix with them. And they may feel plasticky, but I can tell you they last many years with lots of abuse lol.
I heard that Kinda like ns10 speakers. They sound crappy so if your mix sounds good on them then it sounds great on anything else.
Superb informative and objective review - probably the best i've seen. I've been using MDR 7506 for years, purchased entirely on positive reviews and without something to compare them to they seemed to do the job. They've reached the end of their life [cable issues] so this presentation is timed to perfection; thank you so much. I was on the cusp of purchasing HD280 Pro - enough said.
I run the Sennheiser HD280 Pro for mixing and recording - I like them, BUT, the overall quality is pretty the basic Apple headphones sound but better. This surprisingly has its benefits when testing final mixes through a profile that most people might actually listen to the music on.
I'm using the AKG MK240II since 2009 or 2010, always been happy with them. Well my son almost broke them a few weeks ago so I'm gonna keep in mind your suggestions, just in case!😩😂👍thanks
Sony MDR 7506 headphones are what sound engineers provide when musicians need headphones whilst rehearsing and recording. They are rated at 63 Ohms so as you well know, they don't need a headphone preamp to drive them hard. They are considered the studios workhorse headphones for a reason, cheap sound good and extremely functional. As for the DT770s, yip good but the 990s are miles better for mixing and final mastering, better be cos thats what I bought and use but I also have a set or two of the Sony 7506s !!
I would just like to say that burning in headphones is a myth, they sound the exact same out of the box as they will after a week of using. It only seems to be that way cus it takes some time for your ears to adapt to the sound of new headphones(about 3 weeks to be able to fully understand their sound) so just playing them over night does nothing. ik its not really plausable to wear each of these headphones for 3 weeks at a time to make a review for them but in order to ideally review them thats whats necessary
Nope its not a myth. Thats what I also thought at first. I used to say its the same components moving in the same housing, sam magnets, same coil, same cone, etc so how can it change. So I let it burn in for a while and then when I tried it the next day it was sounding quite different. Its usually a little warmer smoother and less harsh after a burn in and I noticed the same too on a couple of other headpjones and earphones that I owned. So I checked it up and some say that the burn in loosens up the drivers to reach their full potential because they are a bit stiff after manufacture. So its not a myth. If I had been using them for a couple of days and felt the sound changed then I could have agreed with you that my ears adapted to it. But u was not using it during the burn in and then the next day when I tried them they were quite different, not just for one but most of the headphones I owned. So its not a myth but quite a reality.
@@jungleking9703 its just your ears getting used to the sound.
@@AmbientWanderer What a well thought out response.
@@adamwidegren9995 I don't need to explain in-depth when there are plenty of tests that have been carried out that debunk this myth.
Here is one of many. www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/break-in
I have also owned lots of headphones and speakers over the years, and have never noticed any difference after so-called 'Burn-In'
I absolutely love music, and love gear, but I despise the outright lies within the industry and community.
This is an essential video because I’m trying to put together my Christmas list hahah thank you please do some audio interface ones as well!
Why I really like the ATH M50x: The detail is incredible. I can safely notch out annoying frequencies in a mix. I like the isolation with the leather cushions and the closed back design. *Tipp* : In Gaming, I use an EQ and stomp on everything from 16k and up, so the harshness gets away. And they are constantly on sale somewhere as I heard from others :D
Ps: I would also say they have a good amount of bass but this wording could be confusing, because they also have an excellent bass response. It's not too much but just precisely what you put in.
I'm concerned the 50s would put too much bass into it and muddy treble to high freqs, however more powerful treble to high freqs also brighten too much the bass. Do the 50s deliver all of em correctly? Thanks in advance
Bro can I buy m30x for waiting movies and licensing music?
Straight to the favorites and a detail description. Thanks for not making us wait through the whole video. It actually made watching the whole video worth it because of the straightforwardness from the beginning.
I came across this video in my prolonged search of trying to find the right headphones that work for my needs. Thus far I've bought 6 different headphones and to my ears, they all sound essentially the same -- bass is too heavy and it comes out sounding too muffled. Like hearing it in another room. I've tried again and again to find someone who really knows headphones to recommend me a pair, and it just seems a never ending cycle of frustration.
I had no idea about "burning" new headphones. I really don't even wanna to think that perhaps any of the headphones I tested maybe would sound better with more than just a few songs played through.
I'm not a musician, so I don't have a grasp on the right lingo and such. Honestly best way I can explain it is your basic wired $20 Apple ear buds, sound perfect to me. The clarity is solid, there's no aggressive bass boast, it's consistent. The only reason I even tried to start looking into headphones was because of ear aches -- trying to avoid putting in ear buds.
Thus far the only thing I've really learned with my headphone "testing" is on the ear headphones are more comfortable for me versus over the ear -- whilst wearing glasses. But not much else beyond that.
I don't understand why headphones seem so much more expensive than ear buds -- I just need them for every day use. Any legitimate recommendations for a set that reasonably matches those $20 ear buds' quality would be immensely helpful. 🙏🏻Ideally without costing an arm and a leg. $150 would be pushing it for me, but I'm desperate at this point.
I use the Sony MDR for quite a while now and used them for my first single release. They are so comfortable for my head. I don't sweat in them and I can wear them for a couple of hours. But, you are right, the low mids and the bass are hard to hear. I guess, for each headphone, you should always check out the inbuilt equalizer.
All in all, it does not really matter what headphones you are using. As long as you are used to the sound, you can also mix and master your stuff with them, because you know how other professionally mixed songs sound on your headphones.
Best detailed review on TH-cam for this price range. Love the quality of content.
Wow! Best review of headphones I've seen so far. I've watched so many videos looking for certain specifics about a couple of these and finally I have arrived. Thank you for all the work you put into this! Subscribed!
are those Adams studio monitors i see?
They are indeed! The A7X are one of my favourites :)
@@inthemix what are the ones you yourself use?
@@inthemix need to try them. just have the 5's right now. need a wider desk......
@@inthemix also, do you use work headphones for music and entertainment, or do you have separate for each use case?
I like using my 1990 pro for casual listening too but most of the time I use a pair of bose qc35ii for general listening/travel/fun etc! Are you looking to get a pair for work, listening enjoyment or a bit of both?
Note that the Senn 280 pro is extremely flat and found in virtually every recording studio world wide. They are amazing head phones that won’t artificially colour the sound! Agreed on the clamp force. Trade off. Also the ear cap is oval resembling the human ear, not round which is a favourable shape to build. $129 Canadian. Great videos! Thx G
Love the audio technica headphones just in love with the bass they produce
i trust your judgment the most out of any music channel on here lol. i was planning on getting the Audio Technica M20x but after watching this im definitely gonna get the M30x instead. this video was so helpful! i really appreciate these gear review videos because trying to find good (and affordable) gear is just so overwhelming as a beginner
are they good
Bro can I buy m30x for waiting movies and licensing music?
Thanks for the list friend! I just got the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro headphones, they are very similar to my Samson SR950's set that i'd been using but the 770s are less "screetchy" at the top end so definitely an improvement. And now I see many folks using them online and replacement parts are much easier to find. Thanks for the help!
Absolutely magnificent video. To the point. Nothing was excessive. Your diction and communication's skills are fantastic. You don't shout at us, you don't mega stimulate with over editing, you don't speak overly excited. You don't try so hard like most people to grab our attention. For that alone I have subscribed. And plus, you helped me choose my new headphones. Congratulations. This is how you do it. ♥️
I 100% agree with you. Possibly one of the best review videos I've seen in years. Out of curiosity, which headphones did you decide to buy and why?
Of the all reviews out there, this is the one I kept going back to and made my decision based on your recommendations and advice. Clear, informative and straight to the point. Thank you
He's so underrated, hope he gets to 1Mill quick! 🙏🏽🖤
Hi brother ! Do a comparison video on best vocal mics ❤️
Hi bro....
You wanted to give tutorials ☺☺
Yes please!
That’s a lot of money
Omg Please
I think he has
I feel your decision. Got the AKG240MKII as first pair based on a recommendation and I was so disappointed. I bought the DT990 Pro afterwards and I'm very happy with them.
The 240M2 are studio headphones they say 55 ohms, but they an need amp that can push 150ohms+ headphone. They will lack bass and treble if your you can't can't power them, the same with 702s.
i have k240 studio akg headphones and i cant tell nothing wrong about them, i was comparing them with mk2's and imo studios are better. quality for a buck on very high level
@@kalidesu I used them on the same interface where I use the 150Ohm Beyers now so I don't think that the interface is the problem here ;) If the AKG is the right decision for you feel confident with it, but for me they just didn't came close to what I excepted.
The AKG K240 (K240MkII, K240 Studio, and the Massdrop/AKG M220 are all the same headphone: I've taken apart each one to reveal identical components, right down to the model # on the drivers themselves) need a capable amplifier; they will sound meagre, weak and thin otherwise. They should also be recognized as a product of their time: the current 55ohm incarnation dates back to the mid-70's, when they were originally a 600ohm headphone(!). They will reproduce, with accuracy (when properly amplified), any instrument in an orchestra. That's what they were originally designed for. They will not, however, reproduce frequencies that can only be generated in software.
With all that said, for the genres I listen to (instrumental, symphonic, opera) they are the most natural-sounding of the headphones I own, among which include Sennheiser HD600/650; Beyerdynamic DT770/880/990; and AKG K701/702/712's. They're very likely my favourite, as well.
Note that the K240MkII come with a second set of velour earpads, in addition to the stock vinyl. Throw out the velour set: you'll neither be needing nor wanting them.
The K240mk2 is a classic before stinking Loudness War and Extra Bass was invented - yes mr.dre. A lot of albums were done on them, as they were hps to go for many sound engineers. Sorry but I'm not Beyers fun, hmm the DT250 are flat, because of their highs.
A very good review and evaluation of these models, thanks for expending your own money to provide the review. Don’t forget that one can EQ/preamp the source to remove harsh highs, or to scoop the minds, or to balance the bass end for “thump” without toilet bowl rumble. So, with good EQ practices, one can make any one of these models to fit personal sound profile needs. For this list, I’d consider any of the top 5. It can often come down to which one is most comfortable to wear, not to discount the size and quality of the drivers, of course.
I bought some Audio Technicas on your recommendation and they're absolutely fantastic!!
I always trust and appreciate your advice!
Thank you.
which ones did you get?
Finally a review that isn't just specs or audio samples!
Thank you
I can’t believe how much effort he puts into his videos
Woah ATH M20x is my first ever headphone investment too...
you had good mix with them ?
mine too
I have both M50s and DT770 Pros. M50s are fatiguing without Sonarworks, DT770s are way more comfortable otherwise too (the band is softer). One thing I hope people would remember though is, that people have differently shaped heads and ears so it's not always "one model fits all". :) In my case, the top of my head and ears get irritated very easily, so I need a very good soft headphone band and cups. DT770s have been the best for me so far.
This helped me out so much. Thank you. Crazy that you bought all of them just for the video.
I had headphones for $20 for 2-3 years. Then decided 770 pro for 150$. I like listening to music so I said F it if I buy at least a good one. 3 years passed still love my 770 pro 80ohm. Sturdy and comfy AF. Dropped them like 5-10 times from table height, no scratches, no audio damage. Beyerdynamic you rock!
i've been using ATH M40X for a long time and i love them, they're the most suitable mixing headphones for me, definitely prefer them over ATH M50X.
this video is amazing btw, definitely a gem for those who are looking to buy their first studio monitoring headphones!
Are they comfortable? And how's the durability?
Audio Technica headphones are great. However, the durability is meh. My M30x gave out after 3 years use.
@@jansensteve06 3 years is not bad. Did you take care of em?
@@fredi1505 yeah.
It's actually my fault for its short life. I used it everywhere. Rehearsals, vocal tracking, instrument tracking, mixing, listening, to watching movies.
@@jansensteve06 Ok, thanks. Do you have a more durable option?
Aaaand just as I was scouting Amazon for some headphones here you are with this video!
Thanks mate ^^
Don't forget to use his affiliate link 👍
Thanks for your thoughts. The headphone field is fraught w challenges. As a voice actor, (previously film editor, and location sound mixer) in business for decades, I have extensive experience with Beyerdynamic DT770, Austrian Audio Hi-X55, AKG k553 mkii, 240, 140, and Sony MDR-7506, 7509, 7510, and 7520. Favorite for best detail and texture by far is the Sony MDR-7520 which is sadly discontinued. I just picked up an eBay replacement for mine which blew out by an unfortunate transient after years of faithful service. Agreed that today's 7506 are not as good as they once were, which was never great but at least a known quantity in the broadcast/film industry. They remain the only "studio monitors" in Sony's lineup. The 7509 were fine, used them for many years before getting the 7520. The 7510 were not great at all. Used the DT770s all last year, and agree w your description. They are quite accurate BUT the acoustics of the cups give the sound way too much space for voice over recording, rather than that intimate "in your head" sound you ascribe to the AT. ALSO...the build quality is not great on the 770s. Noisy plastic parts rubbing together create distracting sounds. The Hi-X55 were touted by all as super-detailed. I was enormously disappointed and returned them immediately. Sounded just awful: inaccurate and cheap. Likewise the K553 mkii, which used to be well-regarded but are no longer made in Austria, and I really can't say enough bad about their sound. I flew in a different Japan-only model Sony for big $, and immediately returned them as well. I am pleased to hear your assessment of the AT, which, along w Shure SRH1540 at a much higher pricepoint, would be in contention next for me, should my new/old stock 7520s not last forever either. Good work!
Try Planar magnetics.
I love my Hifiman Sundara so much!
Not so excited about my 770Pro 250 Ohm. But like the robust build, it is a bit stiff though.
as a producer, i own the M50X and the AKG K 702 and i subscribe to everything Thomas said. They are both brilliant, but i end up usind the M50X 90% of the time. However since i st arted watching movies with the AKG K702 i was in awe of how absolutely gorgeous they sound with movies. IT sounds like you are inside the movie.
I've been using my k240 mk2s for many years for all my audio projects start to finish, and I've found them brilliant in every way. My point here is, we all have different hearing responses at different frequencies, different headfones will suit different ears. . . That's it. Great review, but also kinda pointless, unless you're wearing his ears !!! . . You gotta try them yourself !! . . . Happy Days. . .
now i remember
Bought a m40x few months ago and they're amazing.I'm satisfied with the high end,mid and the low end.Recommend it definitely to everyone who wants to mix and master.
Yea and the m40x is much preferred over the m50x's because the sound is flat and more accurate
@@Cache_outtt Yeah, I was surprised the 50s got recommended above the 40s.
@@Artek604 other way around
@@richtreloar What you mean "other way around"? He's top 2 spots were 770s and m50x, no?
@@Artek604 you said you were surprised the 50s got recommended above the 40s but it was the other way around. The 40s were above the 50s
That's one of the best and huge comparison/review videos I could find, especially that video thumbnail, Nice one.
Keep on keeping on.
In my experience, the akg k240s (more common than the mkii) excel through even my half decent record setup. Plenty of bass and soundstage. Not too good through a phone audio jack because of the higher impedance.
I think the old school design makes them better for analog systems.
the k240 is just awesome. The sound can be "magic" with them.
@@ChrisBessy +1 here. The k271 are even better.
@@isellcrack3537 yes but closed .... no ?
@@ChrisBessy yep.
I've been using my k240 mk2s for many years for all my audio projects start to finish, and I've found them brilliant in every way. My point here is, we all have different hearing responses at different frequencies, different headfones will suit different ears. . . That's it. Great review but also kinda pointless, unless you're wearing his ears. . . Happy Days. . .
The Grado Labs SR80 and Koss Porta Pro are an excellent choice too in an open-sounding style
Sounds like you got a lemon on the mdr7506. I'm a voice-over engineer and use the DT's and MDR's and have never heard anything close to what I heard about your mdr experience. Interesting. As far as the AT, the M40 is their best headphones. Hopefully, you can test those.
First of all: thank you for your generousity and giving away all these headphones omg!!
I would like to join. 🤘🏻{^-^}
How can I do that?
@@etaju3spe Hey there! Just follow the link to Michael's discord - it is in the description of this video
Hahaha I'm here too. :P
@@Kratous Heeeeey deary
One more thing, My Friends tell me that I’ve got a slight british accent and I think it’s because I’ve seen so many of Michael’s super useful videos.
Thank you soooooo much Michael! Your video are so perfect that even me being a beginner, I didn’t face any problem understanding your videos. I learnt everything in fl studio from you and yes, can’t thank you enough 🙏😊 Greetings from India!
Nice to hear that
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@@OmMishra12 LMAO
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@@OmMishra12 Hahaha
Thanks for keeping us "In The Mix"!
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I have the airplanes headphones ( AKG 240) aha I heard a lot of positive about them that's why i bouht them a year ago thinking all this time that my ears had to adapt to this pain ^^ will definitly go for the Beyer after seing this :) thanks a lot for the great content as always :)
This is how a comparison video should be done. Bravo.
Everytime I have to look up something studio or production related your videos are the first to show up and every single time I get all my questions answered.
So thanks for everything.
you're doing gods work my guy
This is perfect timing! I was looking to get some headphones for mixing soon. :D
Exactly what i was looking for man. Someone that actually reviewed them instead of reading off the details aboot the hardware lol. Thank you genuinely, yoooou saved countless time in this world for people.
Most people I’ve seen doing “Best headphone list” have never used the headphones and are reading from a script comprised of reviews. I’m glad I’ve found a video I can trust
I have used the M20X audio Technica headphones for like 3/4 years I believe, only issue I find is the cable does wear quite easily so does the padding but the pads on the ears doesn't cause any discomfort and the audio is amazing for the price range, I have had to buy a 2nd pair of these but I just found the price and quality to be worth it. Kinda was shocked to see it on the list still as I was looking to upgrade (which I still am) but just goes to show they put the work in the right places for those earphones
Thanks man, I'm going for the M40s!
I received the m40s today, the volume seems to be very low and idk if it's my ears or the details are lacking and I don't enjoy the sound of it, idk if its a good thing
My main pair is Sony MDR 7506 with Wicked Cushions replacement pads. They make a big difference and improve the sound considerably. I also have and love the Audio Technica ATH40s.
That's exactly what I use for studio reference! The Sony's with replaced pads. I have Audio Technica ath-50 which is fun to listen to with it's naturally boosted bass but they are uncomfortable and VERY uncomfortable if I'm wearing glasses!
I got the Audeze Maxwell and love them. They are a little to the heavy side, but the sound is the best I've ever heard. For gaming without delay, there's a usb dongle so you don't need to connect with BT. No delay at all and 80 hours of listening or gaming. $ 299,-
this helped me alot, I'm a beginner in producing stuff and I've never found out that headphones really do matter. thanks dude!
Beyerdynamic truly knows how to make great headphones and audio gear. I love my 990s.
Do you have the 990 pros or the 990 edition? I just ordered my dt 990 edition a few days ago and and very excited to finally unbox them and listen to my favourite music with it.
I have the 990 Pros. They feel to me like there's something missing. Ditto my pair of 702s, though they're missing a different part of the range. Sigh...
@@GavinAtkin the pros are 250 ohm so you have to make sure that you either have a preamp or good amps in your interface.
@@kaseywarren2106 Thanks! That might be it, as reading around it seems my interface hasn't got the necessary grunt. However, I've got headphone amp to hand that will hopefully do the trick...
Simple, honest and direct review!
So I have the ATH-M40X and I am happy with them, I also love sound coming from around you so maybe I'll buy the Dt770pro in the future
By the way your videos are especially so good because you are so relaxed all time!
Nice! For an even more wide open feeling maybe try to DT 990pro? That way you will have the 40s for recording and referencing and the DT990 for your detailed mixing and mastering?
@@inthemix yeah that is an option thank you
Bro can I buy m30x for waiting movies and licensing music?
I understand the hate for AKG702. I hated them earlier on, but as I got use to them, I realized my perception of sound soon started aligning with Fletcher Menson's curve. Headphones by nature have an innate problem with tuning bass frequencies owing to construction limitations and the low air depth between the cans and the ear drums. Hence, they turn to be slightly bass heavy. AKG has found some ingenuous way to find a solution for this innate problem. You could check it's test comparison with the mighty Sennheisser 800 used mostly by classical producers at Rtings, they share an almost similar frequency spec.
I've been thinking about getting better headphones for my podcast editing and post and my two options have been the M40x and the DT240 Pro. This video is just what i needed. Going for the Audio Technica. Thanks man, your content is always useful
Great video! Very informative and to the point. I have been looking, asking, searching for months to buy my new headphone for my mini home studio. I was almost ready to buy the dt 770. BUT most of the people i talked (for my gear, money etc) told me that if the audio interface is low budget no good quality headphones can perform well and there is no reason in giving the money for the DTs. Especially the 250oms. Lots of people suggested me also to go for open back , if i don't record with mics or annoy anyone at home. So before your video and after so many conversations/recommendations.....i was going for AKG240 mii (half open back, good recommendation for low budget audio interface) . But then......your video KILLED ME :P The Audio Technica M40x/50x is also highly recommended but i m confused with so many guys telling me about the open back's better quality. The DT 990 comes only in 220ohms (i think) :(
I was hoping there would be recommendations for low budget audio interface also in your video. What would you suggest for my behringer u-phoria umc22 ? Can the DT770 32ohm perform well enough? Do you recommend / agree with the open back headphones? Are the AKG k240 mii that bad for me? Thank you for you time
Edit. i just saw an older videos of yours talking about the deference between 32 ohm vs 250 ohm and open back and closed headphones. So you helped me a lot. You also said almost the some things most of people have told me. So i guess it all leads to another additional question. Should i save money for a more expensive audio interface plus DT 770-990s or leave that for later and buy cheaper headphones that work great with my behringer u-phoria umc22?
You´re brilliant man. Your videos are put together so well.
I can´t find any channel that has your output quality.
Keep it up man ! 11/10
Thanks for doing this! I had the Sony MDR 7506 for nearly 9 years and have to say i get the point about build-quality feeling like plastic, but they lasted me for years. But i want to try out the Audio Technica and Beyerdynamic because i hear a lot of good stuff about them aswell. The Sony was always recommended as an ''industry standard'' but i feel you hit the nail right on the head when talking about comfort, feel and soundspace.
think only way up is smth around hd650, ofc m70x also will be great
Funniest thing. I've had my M50's since 2014 (still on the same pair) and was watching to see a recommendation for a new pair. Over time I've just started wanting to use them less and less. At 3:24 I was so surprised because I realized that the issue of highs being severe was the main reason I wanted to replace these. I remember when I first got them they sounded great. The typical problems with ATH over-ears tend to be with the earpads and band getting worn down and if that was the only issue I'd just repair them, but the highs overwhelm the sound now and you're the first person I've heard say this.
Tried to EQ down the highs with Peace or any other equalizer?
I know this video is old, but maybe some people are still watching because they are looking for quality headphones.
Anyway, I saw this video a few weeks ago and a few others and decided to get the Beyerdynamics DT 770 Pro headphones. I believe they are currently 18% off right now on the ProAudio website.
They are indeed very comfortable about have great sound quality. My only complaint was that the headband made the top of my head hurt for a few days, but once they broke in that was no longer an issue.
My brother happened to order a pair of JBL headphones at the same time that ordered the Beyerdynamics. He offered me to try them out and I was really impressed with the sound quality and comfort of them as well.
They are currently 60% off right now on the JBL website and they also offer payment plans. I ordered a pair myself and got them delivered after making my first payment of $12.
Just wanted to put it out there.
I’m not a sponsor or anything, just want to help others who may be looking for good quality headphones for a cheaper price.
Not sure how long the sale is going for, but I thought I’d share while it’s still going.
Thanks again for the content you make. I’m really glad I found your channel. You’ve already helped me a lot.
For me, it's the Sony MDR. They're the only headphones I've been able to accurately mix on. Weird, right? I suspect it hits a balance of what I hear and what's hyped, because I listen at a very low volume. Most headphones don't have good enough low end for it to sound natural at low volumes and don't have good enough sound cancelation for me to accurately use them at low volumes. The Beyer dynamics would be great, I'd love to try a pair. Unfortunately, the audio technicas don't translate well for me. I frequently find my mixes feel far too scooped when I use them :( Probably just a comfort thing. But when it comes to doing professional work for clients, I can't afford to be off my game. All this to say... I wish everyone could try the headphones themselves before they had to commit lol
Agree. I love the clarity of the Sony MDR-7506's as well.
Can't appreciate the timing of this video more❤❤❤ Was gonna go for the M40X anyways❤
is it holding up well? i heard there was an issue with the hinge so im torn with m40 and m50
@@tylancarino2959 well, im having a great time with the m40s , at first they were a bit uncomfortable, but after a month or two, they're a lot more comfortable. As of the hinge, i haven't heard about it much of a problem.
This guy really is all about the love of the art he puts us on to free game everytime
This is the most useful video on headphones in this price range.
Love this channel! You go through it all!my favorites are of course the dt-770 pro and the Sony MDR 7506
I have the same experience. The Sony completely lacks bass. I bought them for tracking but have been frustrated because I have no idea what the mic is really picking up in reality. It baffles me how well regarded the 7506 is. The AKG k240 are unusable and muffled.
Thank you, jerma :)
bruh no you cna't say that, I can't unsee it now
Really good video. I tested lots of headphones and I also prefer the DT770 Pro 80ohms. The soundstage is amazing for this price range. Very competitive product also against headphones more expensive !
I love the elaborative definition and explanation. Saves me the time to try each.
Came here for headphone input (pun intended).
Apologies if this has been mentioned already:
Seems like the DT 770 Pro's price has increased significantly since this post, or is just more pricey in Canada ($250) but ah, I'm still going to buy them, based on your review (and many other happy online reviews!)
Love your channel and content. Much respek!
Amazing info. I started with the
ATH-M30x and went to the
ATH-M20x and I’m almost ready to go back to the M30x. I LOVE audio-technica and I think they have done an amazing job when it comes to working with bass.
theyre indeed the most close to neutral sounding amongst others, never listened to beyers
Hey man,how is the durability on the M30X...specially the earcups pads he mentioned?
Honestly speaking I’ve had them for about a good 3 to 4 years now and their barely cracking. I just personally took a look a them the other day. The earcups to be exact.
Most headphones I went threw end up falling apart in less then 2 years.
I definitely would recommend them for sure. 🔥🔥🔥
@@divinevirtualreality which one do you think would be more durable in every aspect including the earcups pads for someone who uses them 6h a day ..
The 30s or 20s?
I have the M20x’s and they are pretty loud when hooked up to my behringer
U-Phoria UMC22, but they get even crazier in sound when it comes to the M30x’s messing with the bass and treble. 🔥🔥🔥
If you can get the M30x’s
I recommend them, if not M20x’s are amazing to.
After years of creating music I have no complaints about this brand of headphones.
The M30x’s also fold up for easy travel.
I would love to hear more about why you disliked the Sony MDRs. Having upgraded from the older HD280s, I found that the MDR 7506 provided clear sound reproduction and a balanced finish; I've made music start to finish on them. I will agree that the build is a bit plasticky and the foam on the cups wear out after a while (I've had mine for 3 years now and they're starting to come apart) but I've never had an issue with the sound quality, so I find it fascinating that you did.
He had bad source files, the 7506 show him but he couldn’t understand
@@sheabryantmusicsound quality can depend on so many things like , source audio file, DAC in iPad, iPhone, Macbook / Laptop you are using. The ATH- M40 with brainwaves, Sony MDR 7506 and Beyer Dynamic 80ohm are the best across all audio configurations in my experiences
7506 are not perfect. I have found problems with the base experience. I listen to a file on my MacBook (2014, 13”) and the file sounds fine. But in my car (Grand Caravan) the file will have no bass. These things are difficult to explain, but I’m sure other people have had similar experiences with the 7506
I love the way 7506 pushes vocals deep in your brain, especially in the 2nd verses of songs
Great review. A lot of people rave about the HD 280 PRO but I agree with your assessment. The frequency response is pretty weird. I'm now replacing them with HD 300 PRO which is much much better. I'd put it on par with the 80 ohm DT770 PRO sound wise or maybe even a bit better in the low bass region. It isolates better then the Beyer but the clamping force is just as high as the 280 PRO. The 770 PRO is more comfy.
I use akg 240's, you are right about them....but you really need to bed them in, after a few hours of use they start to sound a lot better, they do say this in the blurb..