I have heard the Chinese and Russian analyst for the first time and I realised how different they are from Indian analysts. Indian analysts are less pragmatic and more patriotic. These Chinese and Russian analysts were unbiased and called a spade a spade.
You'd have no lack of highly nationalistic Chinese and Russian "analysts" back home in each country respectively that can and will give anything a spin to entertain their fervent audiences - just like everywhere else, India included. There are sane and cultured people as well. It was Mr. Gupta that invited the right ones.
The best debate I have watched from an Indian media; I swear to God I clicked by accident because almost all the programs I had seen from many Indian media were anti-Taliban or Islamophobic. Thank you. Would you please keep up this kind of program? Congratulations 🎉
That's the difference between India and Russia/China. They live in reality and plan for that and end up succeeding in their endeavours. On the contrary our population, leaders and journalists smoke pot and live in some imagined utopia and end up making fool of themselves. Accept reality and play the game!
@@waseemraza8301 It has nothing to do with the current dispensation in Delhi or Hindutva politics but the typical Nehruvian policy from the time of Non-Alignment Movement. Also, why should any Government in India not consider the majority view of the population? Also, what is so wrong with Hindutva?
@@ashishsrivastav6154 From your comment, it seems that you are poorly informed regarding foreign policy, geo-politics, diplomatic affair and national security on one hand and lack of knowledge on majority, majoritarianism, Hindutva, democracy etc. Let me try to enlighten/educate you [a brahmin so called gyani] on this issue. If you are unable to read some good academic articles on majority and majoritarianism then you can at least google it and know the difference between these two terms. According to your view “why any govt in India not consider the majority view of the population” Then let me know your view based on majority, Can any govt follow/consider the majority view of the population in following instances: (1) Replace the national Tri-colour with saffron one (2) Replace the national anthem with VandeMataran national song. (3) Remove the world secularism from the constitution of India. (4) Take away the article 25 which protected the minority right. (5) Constitutionally declare India as a Hindu Rastra and so many other. Please reply This is utter hypocrisy to criticized the Taliban, ISIS and advocate/love the Hindutwa. By the way you have to know the basic difference between Hindutwa and Hinduism.
@@waseemraza8301 Well I may not have as much knowledge as you but still would like to add my two cents 1. No system or form of governance can work without the support of the majority. It doesn't matter if the system is regressive or progressive, it just won't survive (case in point US backed government in Afghanistan and the British rule in India). 2. The constitutional values so espoused by you are there because these are the values of the Hindu majority of India. They are there because majority supports and believes in them and not the other way around. Example for this is Pakistan which is nothing but India without Hindus and you can very well the situation there. So India is secular, liberal democracy because of Hindus and not despite them 3. For the sake of argument, Yes majority can very well change the symbol of state through constitutional processes namely the amendments through absolute majority and I can assure you no one will be able to do anything as even the supreme court judges who oppose this can very well be impeached and removed! Does it mean it should be done? Emphatically No! 4. To comment about Hindutva you need to first read about the very philosophy of it and then comment. It is not an anti-minority philosophy but a pro Hindu philosophy based on geographic definition and not religious one. Also it is vehemently anti caste and anti gender discrimination. So the usage of Brahmin equal to Gyani is very much against the Hindutva philosophy! 5. I think you didn't even read my original comment or heard the discussion. It is not about liking or disliking a regime. We can hate Taliban and yet work with them or against them depending on what suits our national interests!
Dmitri & Yun Sun highly learned and objective. Indian anchor learned but extremely biased. Indian anchor in pain to see how reality panned out on ground.
@Varoon he is a Pakistani. They r celebrating as their Pakistani military establishment puppet Taliban is on the winning side. What they don't know is the game isn't over.
56 inch Modi chest - Fantasy. Downed Indian Pilot, Abhinandan - Reality. Lesson, U r dealing with proud ancestors of Mughals who ruled u for a thousand yr. 50 yrs of GDP growth doesn’t change shit.
And, No principles and very little to contribute for the wellness of the world. Take an unbiased look in the past 75 years. The US has undoubtedly contributed a great amount towards the human development. Yes, don't measure by their missteps and failures - You, like I have benefitted greatly from the US. Talk to someone who has been in India in the 50's and 60's. Look into who funded the small-pox and polio vaccines in India - You will learn a lot of new things. Yes, the US has an ideological, impractical and an overarching arc of promoting and spreading democracy. Sometimes, they have lost their ways and have failed.... But, look at how much they have changed the world... Look at the countries where people want to immigrate... If you take the time and deeply introspect, you will revise your statement. The world is at a bad and sad place when Russia and China are the future superpowers.
@James Lum Mmmm. Can you think of any significant contributions either one has made in terms of Human Development in the past few decades. Mmmm... I think you must be referring to the latest contribution from China - is called the 'Wuhan Virus', and they don't want to share the origins of the virus with the WHO!!!
@James Lum True - I was referring the past 75 years - No country has contributed more than the US in Human rights and Human Development, and the magnitude is incomparable ever. No one knows what's in store in the next 20 years. However, I shudder to think China and Russia being the next superpowers.
US is the Reason why Middle East is Burning........USA is the region why North Africa is one Fire........Now USA wants to Destroy the Indo Pacific. USA has already destabilized the Central Asia and Indian Sub Continent.
Western and India is very concerning about women rights in new government of Taliban in Afghanistan but their accepted Saudi Arabia women’s right abuses. Big Russia challenge to print media !!
A very insightful discussion. It was a delight to listen to both the learned analysts, very pragmatic and realistic approach towards dealing with complex geopolitical issues. Thank you Ms Malhotra for inviting two wonderful guests.
both analyst own that host in every aspect. its really important for the indian people, government, and media to understand that their is a much bigger world outside India. And thay are dealing with all these existing problems much better than them.
Every country acts in their own interest. To those who are celebrating Taliban's takeover, be aware what you wish for, those who try to burn down their neighbours house risk their own safety.
So says the subject of the newest empire to venture into Afghanistan and their puppet Taliban. Lill do the new strategic depth empire realize that they have moved past the signboard stating "graveyard of Empires".
@Varoon Muslims know the world a lot more than Hindus do. Muslims have had a lot more engagements with the world's different cultures and played role in shaping them than Hindus who have never existed anywhere outside its current region.
There is a clear difference between the countries US helped to build like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, almost all the western Europe, and the countries communist block helped to build like North Korea, Venezuela, Egypt, Cuba, Cambodia, Central Asian countries, Eastern European countries, etc. No judgment, ask yourself in which group of the countries you would like to live and if you'll be honest to yourself, you'll have the answer who is on the side of good 👍.
@@juanfreire6073 let me help you to brush up your history, both the countries you mentioned had a heavy influence from Soviet Union, they are considered to be the ally of Soviet Union during the cold war. Its easily available information, please read! Thank you!
I think this was a very nuanced discussion that requires you to hold opposing views in your head. JM - taking a more direct line of questioning and on occasion asking tough questions which the guests more than capably addressed or parried.
It's clear that mr. Trenin was forced to ask the host a counter question that if india doesn't recognise Saudi over its ill treatment of women. PLEASE, as a senior journalist, please recognise what the difference between interview and interrogation is
Isn't it journalism to ask counter questions. If you don't understand let me clarify, she is not only asking the questions for herself, it for the audience too, there could be a variety of understanding levels within the audience. This is called probing and it is done for the braking down of the ideas and opinions.
@@thereflection of course, questios should be asked, but that doesn't mean you can't phrase it in a way that doesn't seem too aggressive. Both the panelists countered questions by deflecting it back to how india did something similar, where the focus should have how Russia and china view the Taliban and different aspects of it. By being aggressive, you force them to counter the question agressively , rather than talk different aspects
@@ananthavishnu1 bro you know this is a subjective thing to be perceived aggressive? Different people can perceive different things as aggressive e.g. one can this was frank or candid, you can't base an argument on something subjective. Have you seen Mehdi Hasan from Al Jazeera, in your terms he should be aggressive too, but I like when journalists ask straight questions without any ifs or buts. And by the way the counter e.g. he gave of Saudi Arabia was false equivalent. You can't compare Saudi Royalty to Taliban.
@@thereflection why do you think the false equivalent was brought in? It was because the panelist felt cornered by the question. So it is clear that he felt it to be aggressive, not inquisitive or probing as you said. Besides, the mere fact that you were trying to make me understand how probing and asking questions is essential in the previous reply and now you're assuming that the panelists probably did not perceive her questions aggressive (you called it subjective)is really hypocritical. You're assuming and implying that what I said wasn't true and the panelists probably did not consider it aggressive (or they had to deal with it even if it was aggressive since it was probing) I had based my opinion and comment on the fact that I have seen this journalist do this to many people (mainly cutting off and forcing them in a direction they're unwilling) Let's agree to disagree
@@ananthavishnu1 So the answer to perceived aggression is intellectual dishonesty. Well, if you think so, what can I say? I don't know if I follow your logic in second para but I still stand by the point that it's okay to probe, in fact its necessary, irrespective of what the interviewee think, if he has problem he can address that right there instead of taking a sly backhanded approach. But if you think lying is okay, again, what can I say?
An excellent debate in my view, because the host, Ms. Malhotra, knows to put hard questions and both academics are not shy to answering them. Maybe I am one the few Europeans assisting to the debate and I enjoyed it.
0. Dr. Yun is Chinese ethnic but US national and as an analyst, she can speak for any country of her interest - including both China and Russia. The host cannot get this simple fact! 1. Position regarding recognition of Taliban Regime stated for China and Russia is crystal clear and perfectly logical; only the host has problems in understanding it. India cannot even acknowledge Taliban unless we decide forget Kandahar and Pakistan connection! 2. Indian look at Taliban only with Pakistani blinkers and we are stuck there. But then we cannot expect other countries to have the same view. 3. As a parting shot, Trenin gave thumps up to Modi much to the chagrin of Jyoti!! 4. Both the speakers were superb in their pinpointed, nonsense, balanced articulation and we must thank Jyoti for the finds!
This anchor / moderator calls this show a debate in the beginning, but keeps interrupting the speakers - with questions or by just saying “hmmm”, “okay”. It’s irritating to hear the speakers being interrupted constantly. Either treat it like a debate, or don’t call it one.
Both, particularly Dr.Trenin, are polished career diplomats .... Beautiful diction, smooth non-committal responses .... A lot said, yet nothing new said. Very interesting listening!
The odd thing is it's quite evident that Russia is getting very close to China strategically and thereby is also getting closer to Pakistan. It is extremely odd that India keeps relying on Russian military hardware it is quite evident where there loyalties lies. India would do well to become mostly independent and if required only buy western military weapons.
Bro I have read in a Chinese forum that the foreign policy of powerful states (I. E. Russia, France, USA) is to engage it in conflicts and use the opurtunity to sell their military equipments. They picturise the situation as india being a football thrown here and there to different players.
@James Lum IT CAN BUILT, but again easy and early money complimented with shying away from reverse engering are prohibiting its start of industrial powerhouse.
Yesterday's bombings outside the Kabul airport killed over 100 and injured over hundred. And the eloquent guest from Moscow said , "if Afghanistan becomes a hub of extremist activities again." !
Host is a good journalist, but tend to interrupt the guests quite a lot. It's understandable in tv debate where you have time constrains and need to bring the debate back on to the topic, but interruptions can be avoided in this kinda online conversations.
A discussion on the post Afghanistan situation with respect to China and Russia and Jyoti obsessively tries to include Pakistan in the discussion. I loved it when at the end the Russian speaker shut her off by saying that India had no stakes in Afghanistan.
It is a reality that China has a bigger chequebook compared to India & there's no doubt that it sees US troop withdrawal as an opportunity to exploit those crucial Lethium reserves in Afghanistan But Chinese Chequebook has its limitations which will allow a country like India which not only has more ppl-to-ppl contact but also historical & cultural ties with Afghanistan to play a greater role in shaping future of Afghanistan.
Friend, here I want to make a correction that it is not fully true that India has gud people to people contact and cultural relation. The truth is India has very good relation with western back urban kabul rulling elite. And most of them are corrupt and have dual citizenship [in favorite western capital], have no stake and say to Afghan mattar.
@@waseemraza8301 I don't agree with that assesment. India always gave priority to development of Afghanistan & for that we had working relationship with whichever regime that ruled Afghanistan. India has historically supported the Northern alliance led by legendary Ahmad Shah Massoud as well as many resistance leaders such as Rashid Dostum, Ismail Khan & Gen. Ata Mohammad Noor who now seem to have joined hands with the Taliban. On the contrary Pakistan has played both sides...They arrested and tortured Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar for more than 20 years & later released him on request of Americans. Despite repeated requests from Americans & Kabul Elite India did not put its boots on the ground...We focused on infrastructure projects & development of Afghanistan. Today some kind of Indian infrastructure project is underway in all 34 districts of Afghanistan. These projects have had some degree positive impact on the lives of ordinary Afghans.
@@harshdashputre8208 India wants an ally in Afghanistan against Pakistan. India doesn't care about Afghans or their government. They did the same thing with Bangladesh back in 1971. But now Bangladeshis realize India's sinister agenda and it's been exploiting the country since '71.
@@AshrafAnam we care about a stable neighbourhood that doesn't send or host terrorists that attack India, that's all we want. What's the point of breaking Pakistan there is no logic to it. Bangladesh as a part of Pakistan was a threat to India and was used to host outfits that created problems for India in the northeast hence Bangladesh was created. Pakistan for the most part is not really a threat to India.
Why this holier than thou attitude about Russia hobnobbing with the Taliban, ma`am? Your country was providing safe haven for Maoist terrorists in your national capital, arming them to the teeth and providing them training provided to Nepal`s state forces so that the former could bring the Nepali state to its knees by attacking its nerve centres. The height of this Indian double standards is that India was doing it all despite officially declaring the Maoists as terrorists. In fact, Indian support for anti-Nepal forces goes as far back as the 1950s.
Good interview. Thx for sharing. Some of these situation as acceptance or rejection of reality, says more about russia& chinas ideology of moderate & concern of power in security council, & the vast distances between war torn areas& civilian lives situations of what rest of the world considers normal living conditions.
China, Russia Must Always remember that Taliban is nurtured by Pakistan.Pakistan played Cat & mause game with USA, India for last 20yrs. Then why you assuming that Taliban will not played same game with China & Russia?
Taliban fights terrorist IS, ISIL, ISIS, Daech which all are US and Israel creation. Today Taliban they are not the same from 2001. They do non need more war cause by other powers. There are poor farmer, often orphans of the orphans. Today Taliban will offer educations and right to woman similar like in Iran.
China n Russia want all our military officials back home for their penetration in Afghanistan against us..Thanks God all back home in Jamnagar otherwise would hv big loss..
Dear Print owner and Print journalists, you must have viewed the free film on Islamic atrocities in full display in Afghanistan. Now you guys should fall to your feet and beg forgiveness from the Hindus of India. You have done a huge disservice to Hindus so far. If defaming Hindus is a business venture for you... plz explore other other business opportunities , Indian economy is thriving with lots of legal opportunities. Your paid anti India , anti Hindu stand will not be tolerated henceforth.
Biggest question that all are choosing to avoid is this. Where is Hibatullah Akhundzada? Is he in Beijing or Islamabad? They are all in cahoots with each other.
What if taliban is not recognised, what happens then? Nothing so why this debate? They have defeated all the superpower in their existential power of peak. Bigger question is where does this put US cuz they got defeated bad.
Indian anchor desperate to downgrade Taliban and Pakistan in the eyes of Russia and China. But failed. China and Russia being pragmatic in dealing with Afghanistan. And Pakistan
@ABHISHEK jha understandable, but this Afghanistan mess show west declining quicker than people think . I mean NATO totally lost will to fight , they just want to run home .
@@nikhilharidas87 not true. Historically, India has always been honeymooning with Russia. Go check. China is another story. RAW’s absence in Afghanistan for some time, will be a blessing in disguise for the region. If peace prevails in west Asia, imagine trade doors opening, new transportation corridors opening for all the Muslim countries ending with ‘an’ . Prosperity will be the new traffic sign in the region. Will Hindust ‘an’ join the new prosperity club? Or it will resume its remote long distance honeymoon with declining US of A?
@@asadshariff honey moon... What nonsense is that... Buddy India has had strategic partnerships that benefitted INDIA. With Russia the technologies it produced jointly has helped India grow its, space & defense capabilities. In the 70s when we fought wars with Pakistan and helped Bangladesh. The Russians were an effective counter balance against Pakistans then ally US of A. It does not matter to us who declines or rises. Our goal is to keep our nation safe and build our capabilities. Look at countries post 70 yrs of Independence where they are and where we are. We did this all democratically.
when was this interview taken is it after the blast in afgan airport. is the chinese woman in the panel living in NARNIA to be frank i dont have to watch the complete interview the preview says it all.
Chinese & Russian analysts have given a jaw breaking response to this Indian anchor by giving due weight to the Pakistan's positive role in Afghanistan. But Indians' tail will always remain twisted, Juti's sheepish smile sums up the story
Chinese and russian think they will manage situation by supporting Taliban , but what is Taliban A pashtun dominant fundamentalist group who lack central authority . What about Tajik and hajara . Afganistan is next Syria may worst then Syria , it is complex . Russian and Chinese will change their policy as situation arise .
prc hopes that taliban is sane, and will do business with them so long as that hope not badly mistaken. why should they not, much to gain on both sides. russia too has an interest in central asian prosperity, and resulting peace. if taliban hopes to remain master of afghanistan, they need some international support, both trade and military patronage, or they will soon have usa back in their land. i don't know who set off the recent bombs at the airport, i would guess some splinter group hoping to recruit on a 'holier than thou' program, with no intention to co-operate with anyone. perhaps this group will find themselves in a hill fort, eating roots and leaves. afghanistan is a basket case, ultimately the handiwork of the cia. hard to imagine the usa getting back in, while every farmer has an ak-47, and a memory. prc can transform the place, ussr made considerable progress before cia slithered into view. they aren't poor on purpose, it was done to them by usa.
It's always about Pakistan, isn't it? Indians are so obsessed with Pakistan...their foreign policy have always revolved around Pakistan since 1947. It's hilarious!
Relationship with China has ended yesterday Chinese workers in Pakistan were blown up, murdered should make China understand not to trust Pakistan, this act means China not respected
India is in deep trouble. China is much stronger now than it was 20 years ago. Meanwhile the Islamists are back in power after defeating western forces. Hostile regimes on both East and West. I'm hoping there is a real sense of urgency in New Delhi going forward and the country works towards modernizing the military, industry and economy for the upcoming two front war.
Wha- Alright alright, let’s break it down 1. What was the “rudeness” you saw in Yun Sun? You asked for the Chinese side of the story, you got the Chinese side of the story. 2. What makes the host “good”? If anything all 3 speakers were equally good, dare I say that the host brought less value to the conversation because she is the host, and she focuses on asking questions rather than answering them. I’m just not going to question why you also don’t also question the Russian speaker. 3. “Usual Chinese tactic”… yeah no I’m not going down that rabbit hole. You could’ve said usual Chinese diplomat tactic or something less stupid but even then you know very well that you are over generalizing to such an extent it’s basically being misogynistic. 4. Im going to assume “handle the tingling hands” is translated from Hindi or something, cause that ain’t no English saying
@@joselee9605:ooh! Somebody got butt hurt! You are doing a great job at being someone's PR machine, I hope you are also getting paid good for being such a professional troll. The chinese lady is rude and is showing off fake confidence and using defensive words. The host did a great job at asking uncomfortable questions, for which I think she knew chinese have very thin skin for. The job of a host is to ask questions which she did. The Russian representative also was balanced. Who are you? James Murray or the latest editor of Oxford dictionary, to question what people on internet are writing. You understood what I said and got pricked. No translations here. You need to expand your references, go consult medical writing too.
@@nishadahiya9673 Paid? Maybe you should consider some form of payment. Human faeces has the potential to sell for around 2$ per pound on average. You would be twice as rich as me, first selling the one you made in the middle of the street today and then selling the shit that comes out of your mouth. Now let’s analyze your nonsense, “fake confidence” Wha- What is that even? Ok ok, let’s see what else you got, “using defensive words”. You know what buddy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you’ll need to quote some of these alleged “defensive words”. Yeah, the host asked uncomfortable questions, because she literally shared the Indian perspective. The Russian guy made it very clear he sought Russian goals, how is that balanced? You’re making the same mistake the host made, assuming China = against India and then proceeding to flush your brain down a toilet. Lmao why do you even hate China that much, 4000 years of history and they hardly even interacted with each other thanks to the Himalayas. Y’all hate China more than the UK even, Jesus you are a victim of modern media. Ye nah mate I genuinely didn’t understand , you can’t assume you can bring in a new phrase and then expect people to understand. “Beware of the missing foot” If you can decipher that English, I’ll apologize, but until then you bet your ass I’m going to question something that isnt clear. “Medical writing” That’s literally a saying, what??? How does medical writing relate to it. Shshhsjsnsksksgsjebd you’re giving me a stroke
Very poor argument - KSA and AFG are not on the same level when it comes to women’s rights... A badly managed interview which could have been very interesting otherwise
It was an excellent debate.
debate ? who lost and who won in this western framework .... a discussion would be and exchange of views ... IMHO
@@sarits2689 🤦♂️ argumentative indian always finding a way to come on top 😀
@@sarits2689 pp
It really must be excellent when kiran bedi herself says it!
@@sarits2689 What western framework are you talking about ?
I have heard the Chinese and Russian analyst for the first time and I realised how different they are from Indian analysts. Indian analysts are less pragmatic and more patriotic. These Chinese and Russian analysts were unbiased and called a spade a spade.
nationalist, not patriotic.
You'd have no lack of highly nationalistic Chinese and Russian "analysts" back home in each country respectively that can and will give anything a spin to entertain their fervent audiences - just like everywhere else, India included. There are sane and cultured people as well. It was Mr. Gupta that invited the right ones.
Everything that Indian analysts know about the world is derived from colonial and Western sources. Hence the poor quality of Indian analysts.
The best debate I have watched from an Indian media; I swear to God I clicked by accident because almost all the programs I had seen from many Indian media were anti-Taliban or Islamophobic. Thank you. Would you please keep up this kind of program? Congratulations 🎉
That's the difference between India and Russia/China. They live in reality and plan for that and end up succeeding in their endeavours.
On the contrary our population, leaders and journalists smoke pot and live in some imagined utopia and end up making fool of themselves.
Accept reality and play the game!
The present rulling dispensation in Delhi looks and act its foreign policy with the lens of domestic hindutwa majoritinism politics.
@@waseemraza8301 It has nothing to do with the current dispensation in Delhi or Hindutva politics but the typical Nehruvian policy from the time of Non-Alignment Movement.
Also, why should any Government in India not consider the majority view of the population? Also, what is so wrong with Hindutva?
@@ashishsrivastav6154 From your comment, it seems that you are poorly informed regarding foreign policy, geo-politics, diplomatic affair and national security on one hand and lack of knowledge on majority, majoritarianism, Hindutva, democracy etc.
Let me try to enlighten/educate you [a brahmin so called gyani] on this issue. If you are unable to read some good academic articles on majority and majoritarianism then you can at least google it and know the difference between these two terms.
According to your view “why any govt in India not consider the majority view of the population”
Then let me know your view based on majority, Can any govt follow/consider the majority view of the population in following instances: (1) Replace the national Tri-colour with saffron one (2) Replace the national anthem with VandeMataran national song. (3) Remove the world secularism from the constitution of India. (4) Take away the article 25 which protected the minority right. (5) Constitutionally declare India as a Hindu Rastra and so many other. Please reply
This is utter hypocrisy to criticized the Taliban, ISIS and advocate/love the Hindutwa. By the way you have to know the basic difference between Hindutwa and Hinduism.
We are too religious and thus hyper emotional..
@@waseemraza8301 Well I may not have as much knowledge as you but still would like to add my two cents
1. No system or form of governance can work without the support of the majority. It doesn't matter if the system is regressive or progressive, it just won't survive (case in point US backed government in Afghanistan and the British rule in India).
2. The constitutional values so espoused by you are there because these are the values of the Hindu majority of India. They are there because majority supports and believes in them and not the other way around. Example for this is Pakistan which is nothing but India without Hindus and you can very well the situation there. So India is secular, liberal democracy because of Hindus and not despite them
3. For the sake of argument, Yes majority can very well change the symbol of state through constitutional processes namely the amendments through absolute majority and I can assure you no one will be able to do anything as even the supreme court judges who oppose this can very well be impeached and removed! Does it mean it should be done? Emphatically No!
4. To comment about Hindutva you need to first read about the very philosophy of it and then comment. It is not an anti-minority philosophy but a pro Hindu philosophy based on geographic definition and not religious one. Also it is vehemently anti caste and anti gender discrimination. So the usage of Brahmin equal to Gyani is very much against the Hindutva philosophy!
5. I think you didn't even read my original comment or heard the discussion. It is not about liking or disliking a regime. We can hate Taliban and yet work with them or against them depending on what suits our national interests!
"State craft means dealing with realities that exists", very insightful from the Russian guest.
Russian know how to play the game
My respect to Dr. Dmitri Trenin
Dmitri & Yun Sun highly learned and objective. Indian anchor learned but extremely biased. Indian anchor in pain to see how reality panned out on ground.
@Varoon he is a Pakistani. They r celebrating as their Pakistani military establishment puppet Taliban is on the winning side. What they don't know is the game isn't over.
56 inch Modi chest - Fantasy. Downed Indian Pilot, Abhinandan - Reality.
Lesson, U r dealing with proud ancestors of Mughals who ruled u for a thousand yr. 50 yrs of GDP growth doesn’t change shit.
Answer is sth like this. Ur evil vs my evil. Which one is better….
Both countries are very mature and wiser than rest of the world. I appreciate their approach.
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Idiot 🤣🤣 ,
The anchor is confusing the two analysts who are essentially academics as the voice of the governments of their respective nationalities.
What a superb debate. Dr Dmitri Trenin and Dr Yun Sun were extremely candid and articulate in their answers. Well presented by Jyoti Malhotra
Yun Sun is a CCP agent.
@@nachiketarajpurohit3219 oh really? call your lord to arrest her,what are you waiting for?
@@KevinLee-fg4cy Which lord? You do not make any sense.
Excellent discussion!! Both are the panelist are very well prepared and have a clarity in their thoughts.
Why does most Indian anchors have no etiquettes of debate. Typical closed mindset reflective of Indian foreign policy and frequent rude interruptions.
The Russian has substance, grace and poise 👍
And, No principles and very little to contribute for the wellness of the world. Take an unbiased look in the past 75 years. The US has undoubtedly contributed a great amount towards the human development. Yes, don't measure by their missteps and failures - You, like I have benefitted greatly from the US. Talk to someone who has been in India in the 50's and 60's. Look into who funded the small-pox and polio vaccines in India - You will learn a lot of new things. Yes, the US has an ideological, impractical and an overarching arc of promoting and spreading democracy. Sometimes, they have lost their ways and have failed.... But, look at how much they have changed the world... Look at the countries where people want to immigrate... If you take the time and deeply introspect, you will revise your statement. The world is at a bad and sad place when Russia and China are the future superpowers.
@James Lum Mmmm. Can you think of any significant contributions either one has made in terms of Human Development in the past few decades. Mmmm... I think you must be referring to the latest contribution from China - is called the 'Wuhan Virus', and they don't want to share the origins of the virus with the WHO!!!
@James Lum True - I was referring the past 75 years - No country has contributed more than the US in Human rights and Human Development, and the magnitude is incomparable ever.
No one knows what's in store in the next 20 years. However, I shudder to think China and Russia being the next superpowers.
US is the Reason why Middle East is Burning........USA is the region why North Africa is one Fire........Now USA wants to Destroy the Indo Pacific. USA has already destabilized the Central Asia and Indian Sub Continent.
Western and India is very concerning about women rights in new government of Taliban in Afghanistan but their accepted Saudi Arabia women’s right abuses.
Big Russia challenge to print media !!
A very insightful discussion.
It was a delight to listen to both the learned analysts, very pragmatic and realistic approach towards dealing with complex geopolitical issues. Thank you Ms Malhotra for inviting two wonderful guests.
both analyst own that host in every aspect. its really important for the indian people, government, and media to understand that their is a much bigger world outside India. And thay are dealing with all these existing problems much better than them.
Every country acts in their own interest. To those who are celebrating Taliban's takeover, be aware what you wish for, those who try to burn down their neighbours house risk their own safety.
So says the subject of the newest empire to venture into Afghanistan and their puppet Taliban.
Lill do the new strategic depth empire realize that they have moved past the signboard stating "graveyard of Empires".
@Varoon Muslims know the world a lot more than Hindus do. Muslims have had a lot more engagements with the world's different cultures and played role in shaping them than Hindus who have never existed anywhere outside its current region.
@@ppdudu8790 Afghanistan is the graveyard of invading empires not the helping hand.
@Varoon not so Islam is everything we aren't asking you to come in but you better do it's realization rather then thousands of Gods😜😜
Really enjoyed this
Amazing debate from guests
"R u disturbed about the women rights in Saudi Arabia?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. In just one word he exposed the Indian hypocracy.
Would you welcome Taliban rule in your country
There is a clear difference between the countries US helped to build like South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, almost all the western Europe, and the countries communist block helped to build like North Korea, Venezuela, Egypt, Cuba, Cambodia, Central Asian countries, Eastern European countries, etc. No judgment, ask yourself in which group of the countries you would like to live and if you'll be honest to yourself, you'll have the answer who is on the side of good 👍.
Afghanistan and Irak are been helped by US, so they must be fantastic...
@@juanfreire6073 let me help you to brush up your history, both the countries you mentioned had a heavy influence from Soviet Union, they are considered to be the ally of Soviet Union during the cold war. Its easily available information, please read! Thank you!
After a long time have seen a good discussion on your youtube channel 👍
balance discussion
32:32 Very articulated debate
I think this was a very nuanced discussion that requires you to hold opposing views in your head. JM - taking a more direct line of questioning and on occasion asking tough questions which the guests more than capably addressed or parried.
THANK YOU FOR A GOOD DISCUSSION MS. JYOTHI MALHOTRA...!!!
This is best debate of all on this topic..anchor is very professional and intelligent..
The moderator is an embarrassment. Typical closed mindset reflective of Indian foreign policy and frequent rude interruptions.
There is a whole class of Indian journalist which considers it their job to be rude.
Very good interview 👏 👍
One of the best Discussion,Russian statesman put their policy so precisely and open. All the best👍
It's clear that mr. Trenin was forced to ask the host a counter question that if india doesn't recognise Saudi over its ill treatment of women.
PLEASE, as a senior journalist, please recognise what the difference between interview and interrogation is
Isn't it journalism to ask counter questions. If you don't understand let me clarify, she is not only asking the questions for herself, it for the audience too, there could be a variety of understanding levels within the audience. This is called probing and it is done for the braking down of the ideas and opinions.
@@thereflection of course, questios should be asked, but that doesn't mean you can't phrase it in a way that doesn't seem too aggressive.
Both the panelists countered questions by deflecting it back to how india did something similar, where the focus should have how Russia and china view the Taliban and different aspects of it.
By being aggressive, you force them to counter the question agressively , rather than talk different aspects
@@ananthavishnu1 bro you know this is a subjective thing to be perceived aggressive? Different people can perceive different things as aggressive e.g. one can this was frank or candid, you can't base an argument on something subjective. Have you seen Mehdi Hasan from Al Jazeera, in your terms he should be aggressive too, but I like when journalists ask straight questions without any ifs or buts.
And by the way the counter e.g. he gave of Saudi Arabia was false equivalent. You can't compare Saudi Royalty to Taliban.
@@thereflection why do you think the false equivalent was brought in?
It was because the panelist felt cornered by the question. So it is clear that he felt it to be aggressive, not inquisitive or probing as you said.
Besides, the mere fact that you were trying to make me understand how probing and asking questions is essential in the previous reply and
now you're assuming that the panelists probably did not perceive her questions aggressive (you called it subjective)is really hypocritical.
You're assuming and implying that what I said wasn't true and the panelists probably did not consider it aggressive (or they had to deal with it even if it was aggressive since it was probing)
I had based my opinion and comment on the fact that I have seen this journalist do this to many people (mainly cutting off and forcing them in a direction they're unwilling)
Let's agree to disagree
@@ananthavishnu1 So the answer to perceived aggression is intellectual dishonesty. Well, if you think so, what can I say?
I don't know if I follow your logic in second para but I still stand by the point that it's okay to probe, in fact its necessary, irrespective of what the interviewee think, if he has problem he can address that right there instead of taking a sly backhanded approach. But if you think lying is okay, again, what can I say?
I wonder what happened to the UN commitment to people in general.
An excellent debate in my view, because the host, Ms. Malhotra, knows to put hard questions and both academics are not shy to answering them. Maybe I am one the few Europeans assisting to the debate and I enjoyed it.
0. Dr. Yun is Chinese ethnic but US national and as an analyst, she can speak for any country of her interest - including both China and Russia. The host cannot get this simple fact! 1. Position regarding recognition of Taliban Regime stated for China and Russia is crystal clear and perfectly logical; only the host has problems in understanding it. India cannot even acknowledge Taliban unless we decide forget Kandahar and Pakistan connection! 2. Indian look at Taliban only with Pakistani blinkers and we are stuck there. But then we cannot expect other countries to have the same view. 3. As a parting shot, Trenin gave thumps up to Modi much to the chagrin of Jyoti!! 4. Both the speakers were superb in their pinpointed, nonsense, balanced articulation and we must thank Jyoti for the finds!
This anchor / moderator calls this show a debate in the beginning, but keeps interrupting the speakers - with questions or by just saying “hmmm”, “okay”. It’s irritating to hear the speakers being interrupted constantly. Either treat it like a debate, or don’t call it one.
Go and watch Republic instead.
Both, particularly Dr.Trenin, are polished career diplomats .... Beautiful diction, smooth non-committal responses .... A lot said, yet nothing new said.
Very interesting listening!
As the Chinese saying goes... We will see....
The odd thing is it's quite evident that Russia is getting very close to China strategically and thereby is also getting closer to Pakistan. It is extremely odd that India keeps relying on Russian military hardware it is quite evident where there loyalties lies. India would do well to become mostly independent and if required only buy western military weapons.
Bro I have read in a Chinese forum that the foreign policy of powerful states (I. E. Russia, France, USA) is to engage it in conflicts and use the opurtunity to sell their military equipments. They picturise the situation as india being a football thrown here and there to different players.
@James Lum IT CAN BUILT, but again easy and early money complimented with shying away from reverse engering are prohibiting its start of industrial powerhouse.
@James Lum when I don't know about that
@James Lum in that thread you were reigning like a fire
@James Lum yeah yeah
If ISI has a even a minor role in it. V r more then happy to beat RAW n vl continue to do it til freedom of kashmir.... 🙏
@@dannydenzogpa5000 Lolz afghano ki badi yaad a rhi u ko.. Lgta ahmed shah abdali aur khilji ko bhool gaya u.... 🤣
The road to Talibani Pakistan will run through Kabul
@@dev7890 vo road jo u ne bnae afghanistan me. Damm so cring fr muslims 😂 Tm logo ka sahi ch... ya kata ha
Yesterday's bombings outside the Kabul airport killed over 100 and injured over hundred. And the eloquent guest from Moscow said , "if Afghanistan becomes a hub of extremist activities again." !
Remember the Sukma-Bijapur terrorist attack in April? India is surely a hub of extremist activities!
Try convincing the world, meanwhile struggle to avoid FATF blacklisting
''break, pulverize the black hands ( nexus ) of
Pindi - Peking - Pentagon'' !
We in Bengal knew of this since the 70's - it was a popular slogan then.
@@jattmoosewala83 Peking = Beijing.
Pindi = Rawalpindi, the former capital of Faxtan
& HQ of Pak Army.
Host is a good journalist, but tend to interrupt the guests quite a lot. It's understandable in tv debate where you have time constrains and need to bring the debate back on to the topic, but interruptions can be avoided in this kinda online conversations.
Thanks for the feedback and do keep tuning in.
A discussion on the post Afghanistan situation with respect to China and Russia and Jyoti obsessively tries to include Pakistan in the discussion. I loved it when at the end the Russian speaker shut her off by saying that India had no stakes in Afghanistan.
The Chinese model is more flexible than the western model.
If Chinese say Taliban is moderate then world should understand what is moderation with Chinese characters . 😁😁
@Rohan Krishna bot
It is a reality that China has a bigger chequebook compared to India & there's no doubt that it sees US troop withdrawal as an opportunity to exploit those crucial Lethium reserves in Afghanistan
But Chinese Chequebook has its limitations which will allow a country like India which not only has more ppl-to-ppl contact but also historical & cultural ties with Afghanistan to play a greater role in shaping future of Afghanistan.
Hahaha cultural.......half of ur TV channels are asking muslims to go to Afghanistan and be talibani
Friend, here I want to make a correction that it is not fully true that India has gud people to people contact and cultural relation. The truth is India has very good relation with western back urban kabul rulling elite. And most of them are corrupt and have dual citizenship [in favorite western capital], have no stake and say to Afghan mattar.
@@waseemraza8301 I don't agree with that assesment. India always gave priority to development of Afghanistan & for that we had working relationship with whichever regime that ruled Afghanistan.
India has historically supported the Northern alliance led by legendary Ahmad Shah Massoud as well as many resistance leaders such as Rashid Dostum, Ismail Khan & Gen. Ata Mohammad Noor who now seem to have joined hands with the Taliban.
On the contrary Pakistan has played both sides...They arrested and tortured Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar for more than 20 years & later released him on request of Americans.
Despite repeated requests from Americans & Kabul Elite India did not put its boots on the ground...We focused on infrastructure projects & development of Afghanistan.
Today some kind of Indian infrastructure project is underway in all 34 districts of Afghanistan. These projects have had some degree positive impact on the lives of ordinary Afghans.
@@harshdashputre8208 India wants an ally in Afghanistan against Pakistan. India doesn't care about Afghans or their government. They did the same thing with Bangladesh back in 1971. But now Bangladeshis realize India's sinister agenda and it's been exploiting the country since '71.
@@AshrafAnam we care about a stable neighbourhood that doesn't send or host terrorists that attack India, that's all we want. What's the point of breaking Pakistan there is no logic to it. Bangladesh as a part of Pakistan was a threat to India and was used to host outfits that created problems for India in the northeast hence Bangladesh was created. Pakistan for the most part is not really a threat to India.
Why this holier than thou attitude about Russia hobnobbing with the Taliban, ma`am? Your country was providing safe haven for Maoist terrorists in your national capital, arming them to the teeth and providing them training provided to Nepal`s state forces so that the former could bring the Nepali state to its knees by attacking its nerve centres. The height of this Indian double standards is that India was doing it all despite officially declaring the Maoists as terrorists.
In fact, Indian support for anti-Nepal forces goes as far back as the 1950s.
China is much too worried about its Muslin majority Muslim populations near India and Pakistan.
it was vocal debate both guests answer base on actual reality in Afghanistan and geopolitical situation .
China Russian Pakistan and other regional countries are all having same point of view regarding Afghanistan except india.
What we speak is all our assumptions n prediction n In reality nothing would happen as we expects . Just living in dreams
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0:45 Typo on the word "Editor". The editor should have spotted that.
Nice irony, though.
Good interview. Thx for sharing. Some of these situation as acceptance or rejection of reality, says more about russia& chinas ideology of moderate & concern of power in security council, & the vast distances between war torn areas& civilian lives situations of what rest of the world considers normal living conditions.
good job
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China, Russia Must Always remember that Taliban is nurtured by Pakistan.Pakistan played Cat & mause game with USA, India for last 20yrs. Then why you assuming that Taliban will not played same game with China & Russia?
Hayeeeee India 😓😓😜😜😜😜😜
Taliban fights terrorist IS, ISIL, ISIS, Daech which all are US and Israel creation. Today Taliban they are not the same from 2001. They do non need more war cause by other powers. There are poor farmer, often orphans of the orphans. Today Taliban will offer educations and right to woman similar like in Iran.
China n Russia want all our military officials back home for their penetration in Afghanistan against us..Thanks God all back home in Jamnagar otherwise would hv big loss..
Dear Print owner and Print journalists, you must have viewed the free film on Islamic atrocities in full display in Afghanistan. Now you guys should fall to your feet and beg forgiveness from the Hindus of India. You have done a huge disservice to Hindus so far. If defaming Hindus is a business venture for you... plz explore other other business opportunities , Indian economy is thriving with lots of legal opportunities. Your paid anti India , anti Hindu stand will not be tolerated henceforth.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Biggest question that all are choosing to avoid is this. Where is Hibatullah Akhundzada? Is he in Beijing or Islamabad? They are all in cahoots with each other.
What if taliban is not recognised, what happens then? Nothing so why this debate? They have defeated all the superpower in their existential power of peak. Bigger question is where does this put US cuz they got defeated bad.
Other then the constant "hmm" and interruptions from Jyoti mam felt a bit non-courteous, an interesting conversation.
Indian anchor desperate to downgrade Taliban and Pakistan in the eyes of Russia and China. But failed. China and Russia being pragmatic in dealing with Afghanistan. And Pakistan
Why??? Unlike Pakistan. India is not attached to any of these countries
@@nikhilharidas87 India chose the wrong team. West will throw you under the bus without a blink . This Afghanistan mess is the proof .
@ABHISHEK jha understandable, but this Afghanistan mess show west declining quicker than people think . I mean NATO totally lost will to fight , they just want to run home .
@@nikhilharidas87 not true. Historically, India has always been honeymooning with Russia. Go check. China is another story. RAW’s absence in Afghanistan for some time, will be a blessing in disguise for the region. If peace prevails in west Asia, imagine trade doors opening, new transportation corridors opening for all the Muslim countries ending with ‘an’ . Prosperity will be the new traffic sign in the region. Will Hindust ‘an’ join the new prosperity club? Or it will resume its remote long distance honeymoon with declining US of A?
@@asadshariff honey moon... What nonsense is that... Buddy India has had strategic partnerships that benefitted INDIA. With Russia the technologies it produced jointly has helped India grow its, space & defense capabilities. In the 70s when we fought wars with Pakistan and helped Bangladesh. The Russians were an effective counter balance against Pakistans then ally US of A. It does not matter to us who declines or rises. Our goal is to keep our nation safe and build our capabilities. Look at countries post 70 yrs of Independence where they are and where we are. We did this all democratically.
India underperformance as a geopolitical power.
Very true
Good point put forward by russian representative about state craft
These guests battered this Indian journalist....
when was this interview taken is it after the blast in afgan airport. is the chinese woman in the panel living in NARNIA to be frank i dont have to watch the complete interview the preview says it all.
If India gets its act together it can balance both China & the Islamists economically & culturally...
@expiller You really don't know much history - do you?
@expiller Why don't you search for images of hindu temples? - and get educated; you absurd ignoramus!
Dr.Dmitri just roasted the Indian anchor
Kya khattak aur kiya khattak ka shorba...In pashto there is saying "Bang ba largay na she,khattak ba sarray na she"
Pragmatism and projecting the right amount of power is everything. Liberals in India don’t understand this.
Wow civilized discussion hosted by an Indian anchor. What a surprise.
China and Russia talking about accepting the Taliban on the basis of human rights in Afghanistan ?? umm okay
Chinese & Russian analysts have given a jaw breaking response to this Indian anchor by giving due weight to the Pakistan's positive role in Afghanistan. But Indians' tail will always remain twisted, Juti's sheepish smile sums up the story
WA modi g wa You have isolated Pakistan
You will learn shortly Pakistani Empire
Chinese and russian think they will manage situation by supporting Taliban , but what is Taliban
A pashtun dominant fundamentalist group who lack central authority . What about Tajik and hajara .
Afganistan is next Syria may worst then Syria , it is complex . Russian and Chinese will change their policy as situation arise .
Good interview. Well done
Charkov (Director of KGB in HBO's Chernobyl) : Statecraft Legasov. Statecraft.
prc hopes that taliban is sane, and will do business with them so long as that hope not badly mistaken. why should they not, much to gain on both sides.
russia too has an interest in central asian prosperity, and resulting peace.
if taliban hopes to remain master of afghanistan, they need some international support, both trade and military patronage, or they will soon have usa back in their land.
i don't know who set off the recent bombs at the airport, i would guess some splinter group hoping to recruit on a 'holier than thou' program, with no intention to co-operate with anyone. perhaps this group will find themselves in a hill fort, eating roots and leaves.
afghanistan is a basket case, ultimately the handiwork of the cia. hard to imagine the usa getting back in, while every farmer has an ak-47, and a memory.
prc can transform the place, ussr made considerable progress before cia slithered into view. they aren't poor on purpose, it was done to them by usa.
Both these analysts trying to make boundaries between US india and China Russia
You can say it, India is lacking in statecraft.
China expect thay taliban or is would ignore the fu. Ing of uigors.
He looks like Sushant Sareen from ORF
To me he looks like asad duranni... I actually clicked thinking he was Asad duranni
@@locomotive43 now I also see that resemblance.Fuck man
Chinese analysts talking about human rights!!! Is this some joke
India is rated as the most dangerous place for women. Let that sink in.
It will be better to have working relations with the Taliban govt in Afghanistan. it will help to contain Pakistan against India.
It's always about Pakistan, isn't it? Indians are so obsessed with Pakistan...their foreign policy have always revolved around Pakistan since 1947. It's hilarious!
It's normal to be concerned about mosquitos even when you haven't ordered them
Great Pakistan 💚💚💚
Typical Indian journalist, bogus and hysterical. The guests were so good.
Jyoti has a tendancy to “nag” her guests .
Shariah law is now recognised by UK , the govt, established 70 shariah law angering Pakistani women
Relationship with China has ended yesterday Chinese workers in Pakistan were blown up, murdered should make China understand not to trust Pakistan, this act means China not respected
India is in deep trouble. China is much stronger now than it was 20 years ago. Meanwhile the Islamists are back in power after defeating western forces. Hostile regimes on both East and West. I'm hoping there is a real sense of urgency in New Delhi going forward and the country works towards modernizing the military, industry and economy for the upcoming two front war.
You’re occupation of Kashmir with 900000 troops is it’ legitimate
Yun Sun resorting to rudeness shows how good the host was. It is a usual chinese tactic to handle the tingling in hands.
Wha-
Alright alright, let’s break it down
1. What was the “rudeness” you saw in Yun Sun? You asked for the Chinese side of the story, you got the Chinese side of the story.
2. What makes the host “good”? If anything all 3 speakers were equally good, dare I say that the host brought less value to the conversation because she is the host, and she focuses on asking questions rather than answering them. I’m just not going to question why you also don’t also question the Russian speaker.
3. “Usual Chinese tactic”… yeah no I’m not going down that rabbit hole. You could’ve said usual Chinese diplomat tactic or something less stupid but even then you know very well that you are over generalizing to such an extent it’s basically being misogynistic.
4. Im going to assume “handle the tingling hands” is translated from Hindi or something, cause that ain’t no English saying
@@joselee9605:ooh! Somebody got butt hurt! You are doing a great job at being someone's PR machine, I hope you are also getting paid good for being such a professional troll.
The chinese lady is rude and is showing off fake confidence and using defensive words. The host did a great job at asking uncomfortable questions, for which I think she knew chinese have very thin skin for. The job of a host is to ask questions which she did. The Russian representative also was balanced.
Who are you? James Murray or the latest editor of Oxford dictionary, to question what people on internet are writing. You understood what I said and got pricked. No translations here. You need to expand your references, go consult medical writing too.
@@nishadahiya9673 Paid? Maybe you should consider some form of payment. Human faeces has the potential to sell for around 2$ per pound on average. You would be twice as rich as me, first selling the one you made in the middle of the street today and then selling the shit that comes out of your mouth.
Now let’s analyze your nonsense, “fake confidence” Wha- What is that even?
Ok ok, let’s see what else you got, “using defensive words”. You know what buddy, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, but you’ll need to quote some of these alleged “defensive words”.
Yeah, the host asked uncomfortable questions, because she literally shared the Indian perspective. The Russian guy made it very clear he sought Russian goals, how is that balanced? You’re making the same mistake the host made, assuming China = against India and then proceeding to flush your brain down a toilet. Lmao why do you even hate China that much, 4000 years of history and they hardly even interacted with each other thanks to the Himalayas. Y’all hate China more than the UK even, Jesus you are a victim of modern media.
Ye nah mate I genuinely didn’t understand , you can’t assume you can bring in a new phrase and then expect people to understand. “Beware of the missing foot” If you can decipher that English, I’ll apologize, but until then you bet your ass I’m going to question something that isnt clear. “Medical writing” That’s literally a saying, what??? How does medical writing relate to it. Shshhsjsnsksksgsjebd you’re giving me a stroke
Very poor argument - KSA and AFG are not on the same level when it comes to women’s rights... A badly managed interview which could have been very interesting otherwise
But his point is valid...
For once I thought he was advani😅