How I Built Our NEW GATES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- It's been a week of gate building! In this video I make some much needed replacement gates for the back garden. Due to the fixed size of the opening there was no 'off the shelf' option, so time to get stuck in and make a pair myself.
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Cross braces should be from the bottom corner to top. Diagonally facing up to sky. The lower part sits on the hinge side.
IT was all looking good to you did the cross braces, and then it all went down hill. The braces should come from the top of the closing side back to the hinge side, top and bottom. This will stop the closing side from dropping. When you nail the feather edge boards you should not nail though the board below as this will stop it from expanding and contracting, and therefore it can split when it shrinks!
Thank you for that insight.
Not necessarily.
A brace on a gate with two rails , top and bottom can have the brace go either way.
From outside edge top lock side to bottom inside edge hinge side. In this manner the brace is holding up the top rail keeping everything sorted. My preferred method as the weight of the gate pushes down on the rail joints pushing them together.
The other method top inside hinge edge to bottom outside lock edge. This method carries the weight on the bottom rail and as such puts pulling pressure on the joints used to secure the rails.
Still works but better for less weight.
In a 3 rail gate as this using both methods is aesthetically nice but is strong enough as the centre is pushed up by the bottom brace and pulled up by the top brace.
More than sufficient for a gate of this weight.
But the important thing is the vertical side rails in this case.
A small light weight gate can be made with top rails and one brace and how you brace is more relevant.
In a gate with vertical side rails and a middle rail the important part is securing the middle rail to the hinge side.
The outer lock edge of the top rail is supported by the joint on the outer edge of the middle rail holding up the vertical rail supported by the braces.
So having 2 braces going outer edge to inner edge on each half of the gate creates 2 load points one outside joint of the top rail and one outside joint of middle rail.
Using this other method makes the outside joint of the middle rail the main load point.
Both usable gate building methods achieving the same results but method used dictates the size and strength of rails and braces and even jointing methods.
There is nothing stopping you building a gate with a square frame and two braces in a cross. As long as your bracing and joints is sufficient for the application.
Some people get stuck in their ways usually by what they have been taught by someone or by reacting to failings usually caused by errors in build rather than design method used.
In essence use the right size timber and suitable joints for your application and there are more ways to skin a cat.
That was very helpful - thanks for taking the time to do the video. Right---shopping list here we come 👍
Excellent! matter of fact and no plugs for any products...refreshingly modest...
This helped me so much! 🙏🏼
Hi Tim Great Pair of gates, and fit for purpose, sturdy and strong, the combination of ledges, braces and fixings together is what creates strength and integrity, they will be just fine for years to come :)
Hay thanks a lot built my first gate after watching you film. Looking for something else to build now.
Useful thanks, our side gates are starting to need replacement, and given the costs I think I might have a go at doing it myself. Also means I can customise the sizes like you did. I might do a 1.5/0.5 width combo too due to the layout
Fantastic explanation
Great video. Will be following this to build my own gate this summer. Can you advise on what size and type of timber you used for the verticals and horizontal frame work. Many thanks.
Glad to find your video just about to start to make a garden gate. Great video thanks
Just Amazing. I am a beginner and i would like to know how to use the mitre saw to do a half lapse joint slowly in a separate video.Many Thanks.I will make my own garden shed door.
It is a widely misunderstanding that you should use treated lumber for everything outside. Only lumber that is in direct contact with dirt (or very close to) needs to be treated. Treated lumber is generally too wet as well as 2nd grade lumber to begin with. Also you should use hot-dipped galvanised nails or even stainless fasteners, since they are corrosion resistant to the chemicals in the treated wood.
I was going to point out the cad pas screws used here. Even those green or blue decking screws would last a bit longer.
Doesn't matter if its not in contact with the ground, tanalised timber is also used to stop wood boring insects chewing the timber away.
Looks great. Just one comment on cross braces. Their purpose is to support the opposite side of the gate from the hinges, which would tend to sag under its weight over time. So 45 degree braces angled upwards, away from the hinge side.
I have really enjoyed reading “Doormaking and Window-making” from Lost Art Press. I will be following that for my own garden gate soon.
simple and effective the way you make the gate enjoyed the video
Brilliant! I'll be doing this.
Wish I'd seen this sooner! Just back from building a gate for my parents. On reflection half laps would be a great way to go. I was rebating in matchboard rather than using featherboard, did exactly the same and came up one length short. Took me way longer than 3.5 hours though.
Really great job. A little counter sink drill bit would reduce any timber split when you're screwing them in. Erbauer does a nifty one.
Cleaning out the cuts with the mitre saw, gonna save me a lot of chiselling!
Great video just build two garden gates and they came out great! Thank you 👍🏼
Great video! Thank you
I could be wrong, but I think for a stronger gate, both cross braces should be as the cross braces you have on the lower portions.
That' right, the top cross brace is set in the fall position, it should be the same as the bottom brace to maximize the drop support.
Yea i was thinking the top braces were the wrong way round and would allow the top weight of the gate to pull down on the lock side
Who cares about physics? Union Jack braces are bound to be stronger because they're British.
Great idea with the chop saw.
Love it We dig it!
Great video just as I'm thinking of replacing my side gate, I have found this lock really good and can get different throws for different thicknesses of gate
Long Throw Gate Lock Double Locking for 50mm Gate Thickness
Sorry couldn't paste link but if you copy to google will bring up Amazon where I brought my for my gate and my workshop
Thanks for the video gates look good just done some at the side of the house but went with the 50 x 50mm angle iron pained black filled with wood fixed with dome head coach bolts. Staying hear until i down size so will need to redo in 15 / 20 years so makes the job easer when i am older😁 have done the same with my pannel fence all post are made from 2 1/2" schedual 40 pipe cut out from the old oil heating system in the house i removed, welded brackets onto them to allow me to screw the fence panels onto. In 10 years time i can remove old panels, paint the posts and fit new fence panels.
How did you screw in the diagonals?
Your intro music has a strong Arcade Fire Sprawl II feel
Smart looking job there mate.
Nice gates half laps are stronger than mortice & tenon . I would let the cladding overhang a little at the bottom to form a drip.
Looks like a solid build. How were those braces secured please?
Great lad. Thanks
Excellent tutorial could I ask what size timber did you use and what was the overall length of the gate?
Regards
yes, this is what I need to know too:)
After building my own I realized that it is heavy. How much can these T brackets hold? Thanks 🙏
Great job Tim … thanks for taken time to make this content do appreciate - love the channel.
He has the gates braced both ways, so it doesn't matter which way he hangs them. Good job.
The gate hangs on its hinges so the weight hangs on the opposite side. The brace is on the hinge side "pointing upwards" on the opposite side to support the hinges by taking some of the weight.
The bottom braces are therefore correct. The top braces are the wrong way and doing nothing!
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It would appear to be a DIY store thing to brace both ways so I assume they dont have to stock both hands, sort of understandable but wrong and it looks amateurish.
Yes I made the same mistake and fixed through both board s and they split because they could not move
Thanks for the detail... followed this at the weekend (did tweak my bracing) and very happy with the result for my non standard width side gate. 👍🏼💪🏻👍🏼
Great video, well done.
Thanks for the video.
Should the braces not be the same top and bottom? They're supposed to stop drop opposite the hinge.
how were the cross braces secured?
Some serious gates there pal 👍
Great vid got some good tips for my gate 👍
Very good video but you didn't show how you nailed/screwed the diagonal braces in place at the internal corners. Also, using glue on the joints might be a problem when the gate expands and contracts with temperature. I would probably just use screws on the halving joints.
Thanks for great video 👍
Have you built sliding wooden gate ? Please advise? Thanks again wish all luck😊
When fixing boards should you nail only through one board just missing bottom one so they can move in the weather
I believe this also a great help if one feather edge board gets damaged so enabling a easy swap
If not using featther edge boards, what's the best way to secure the diagonals please?
I think he went waaaaaayyyyy out of da box on his 25 hr gate build I could do da same thing he did +add my own lil Tweeks and twroksn prolly half da time it took dis dude I think he wants to be da next Bob Villa !!!!!!!!!!!
Cleaning the half lap with your miter saw like that is called a polish plane. Never seen it done on a miter though!
Great video 😊 what gauge nails did you use? Thanks
Excellent design.
The way you have your braces looks better as it mimics the pattern of our wonderful Union Jack/flag, but for maximum strength the braces should transfer the weight to the hinge side upright.
Loved the flag moment :)
Love the video,sham
Shame about the excessive adds
Great job as usual, liking the new music too. Or at least I think it’s new?
Funny this should just be uploaded now as i've been drawing up the design and measurements to do exactly the same thing. Handy to see how you've done it, couple of useful tips for getting it done.
Cheers!
Yes very timely, I am ready to rebuild some gates. Yours came out great !
Can you advise how you attached the braces to the frame?
I've just come inside from building a gate (part finished) and look who's uploaded a video...nice.
How were the diagonals fixed into the corners.?
Nice job but top brace wrong way round should be like the bottom brace, toe and heal throws all weight onto the hinge side stops gates from sagging
That’s what I was always taught as well.
It is wrong but i didnt want to be that guy ... thanks 😂
Pretty sure I said this in the video? Yes that is correct. 👍 Mind you, with the half laps and bottom brace there isn’t much benefit from the second brace. These are using the reversible design as at the joinery and I have never had any issue with theirs and they know what they’re doing. 👍
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The top brace is now in tension and the bottom one in compression. Both in compression would probably be stronger considering it’s difficult to to make a strong connection that can handle tension.
Yeah look at any gate that’s dropped and it’ll be the wrong brace that’s dropped even if the top brace is correct. The tenons will probably hold it but if you braced them both correctly you needn’t have bothered with the tenon
Hi, Good video and the gates look great, I have a question, Why did you do a double cut on one the Centre cross piece of the gates ?
How did you fix the cross braces to the main frame?
Hi there. Im looking to build my first gates and just checking that you’re using 2x4’s? Is that right?
Did you use any fixings on the diagonals? I can't see any screw holes
Do you have the plans for building this? Aswell as all the measurements?
And a shopping list would be cool too!
@ 0:53, the detective in me tells me you loaded your timber into a Volvo :)
For doing the frame of the gate did you use 4x1 rails?
4x2
Does your saw have a depth stop?
Great vid (as always) Tim. Why is it that, no matter how carefully you plan) there's always either loads of material left over or not enough 😂😂?!
From a structural standpoint that bottom diagonal brace it taking the hanging load correctly and is more than strong enough for the task. The top diagonal brace being little more than decrative is not really an issue.
It still would have been better to run them parallel low on the hinge side.
Very unprofessional looking with braces wrong, looks cheap.
What are the sizes? What size wood did you use? Rough yes but lengths and widths?
nice. What size timber is this?
The brace shoule be the other side from hinge point for max strength
My local fence supplier will make gates to order. Im guessing they have a spreadsheet to give them a cutting list for any dimension.
Was that 2 by 4 Wood? cheers in advance
Always a hot topic of debate on Woodworking Fb pages the angle of bracing... looks like a brill job to me and will be fine. Even with bracing the same way too and bottom you get sag so not much in it IMHO. Shoot me down now lol. Andy UK
Any professional joiner would be laughed out of the workshop for fixing the braces the wrong way. ALWAYS bottom hinge to top latch.
The PVA adhesive will seal the grain anyway .
Pva is not waterproof
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Probably one of the most controversial topics in woodworking (on the internet), the orientation of the braces on a gate!
Not controversial at all. Braces on wood gates and doors go from bottom hinge side to top latch side. Metal gates are braced the opposite way. Wood is stronger in compression, metal (steel/ wrought iron) is stronger in tension. Professional joiners the world over know this.
@@globeforever9777 You are correct. I noticed as soon as I saw the thumbnail. It is amazing to me that you see so many gates braced like this, even sold commercially. For a garden gate it is probably fine but it is still not right.
Aren't the diagonal bearers suppose to be running the same way towards the center
Always brace hinge side
Hi, are you using treated 4x2?
Yes
Hi, what nail gun is the one in this tutorial
Cannot believe a guy who wears 'Galway' tee shirts has 'Rule Britannia' in his video... tut tut HA HA HA
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How did you attach the braces?
is this 5x2 or 4x2????
Cheers
great video again :) tip: knee-pads ;-)
Good video. You didn’t actually show how you fixed the diagonals. Did you just screw them. ?
The braces should always go from the hinge side upwards. This stops the latching side dropping over time.
This was my first thought when I saw the gate construction obviously just doesn't understand gate construction leverage and gate sag.
How much did the wood cost you
Hi maybe a stupid question bit is the same saw as mine and how do u set the depth on it ? Lol
There is a screw stop you wind in on the right hand side.
Bad idea to fix through multiple featheredge boards, will likely cause big splits on every fixing because of that
What model nail gun did you use?
Your bracing should be the opposite t o the hinge
Nice job Tim. Quick question If I may, I notice that one of the rollers on your saw stand is at a slight angle. Now I have the same make of stand and my one has the same out of alinement roller, Iwonder if they are supposedly be like that or is this a fault on all of them?
They’re not great but didn’t help that the whole stand was on a sloped section of concrete. 🙄
Hi, nice job, what was the name of the gate company you mentioned at the start, i couldn't make out who they are, cheers Paul
Charltons. Great company, make gates for the Royal estates and National Trust, etc.
@@TheRestorationCouple Cheers, i'll pop in for a look, im only the other side of Frome
You should never nail through both boards
You should burn the surface of the wood, Shou Sugi Ban style, the stiff brush off the char. It looks mint, never needs staining, preserves the timber, and last over a 100 years. For a silky surface rub/brush over with linseed oil.
I've done this to the shiplap on my shed.
John Shaw - Sounds awesome. Let me know if you make a vid on it
z braces should be both the same way 👍
Bill gates or buildt gates? That's the question