Had a Hulk 180 and a ASM 129 make it to the Fedex location near my home from CGC, but never made it to my house. I was given a check for $120, not even enough to cover what I paid to have them graded, I know you fear.
@@cristiantapia631 I did. I fought with Fedex, involved CGC. even looked into using my home owers insurance to cover the total loss. My home owners insurance would cost me a $5000 deductible and the books even with the grades totaled around $2000. I spoke to an attorney friend who went to law school with a lawyer that works for Fedex. She advised that they with UPS, and USPS ship over six million packages a day, some are going to get lost (more like stolen). It sucked. It was during the pandemic, because I asked if I could come pick them up (9 hour drive) but at the time no drop off or pick ups. The one thing I learned was get the insurance, lol!
Their reason for slabbing should never be value increase. It should be a neutral party mediating a Grade, after that the value should fall in place based on that grade. The biggest problem with raw books is dealers and sellers grossly over grading which is the reason we have third party graders on the first place
Umnnnn. Ok fellow weirdo. My gf shakes her head when I buy comic or card collections and the first thing I do is sniff em. She just shakes her head and walks out of the room. Ha ha
There are two reasons as to why I’ve personally had comics slabbed (around 30 total books): 1. For key books that I want to sell that are in good enough condition that I will make more money from their sale. 2. To preserve key, high price, high grade books in my collection that I never plan on selling that will go to my nieces and nephews when I am removed from this mortal coil. I figure those books will be a lot easier for them to sell at a good price even if they know nothing about comics. This is only what I have done. It is not a suggestion of how you should handle your books. To each, their own. 🤘
@@casino_comics Depending on what you consider "Modern Age” to be, I don’t either - except for a rare Spectacular Spider-Man #233 Australian Price Variant that received a 9.8. If you decide to scour the internet for an image of that issue, the only images you will find (if any) are of my copy - some before and after it was graded. It’s the only copy on the CGC census regardless of grade. Now, I just have to find the person who collects very high grade Australian Price Variants. 🙂
@@casino_comics I know. 33+ years crazy long, but since that’s what most of the industry considers “modern” comics to be (1992 and after), that’s what I go with. Some people consider 1975 and after as "modern." That’s even crazier.
This is my dream come through. A world where we can actually enjoy the book we bought and not entombing it in plastic because it makes you more money. Agree with your points about it keeping it raw. It takes so long sometimes for humans to realize they are being duped from their hard earned money doing things like slabbing or chasing 9.8's with endless re-submissions for a grader to lower the grade making you frustrated and less likely to enjoy this great hobby.
The slab doesn’t protect it there is still wiggle room so tired of people saying that. Not to mention there are numerous better ways to protect the books 📚 better cases exist for one thing
I agree. I’d rather grade the high value books I love and just read the reprints. I’m sure there are other cases but a graded one will insure an easy sale when I finally sell off my collection.
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The books are there to be enjoyed for the stories and the art. The creators deserve that respect, and there are some incredible comic book stories out there. Glad to see you're getting into yours, sir.
The only time I find value in graded books is buying online for golden age, where pages or cutouts are often enough that severely hinder my commitment to buying anything of value raw. I'm not worried about buying lower grade unless it's a grail with significant value/risk.
I never have been big on graded books. Even my keys, my Batman 181 and Batman 232. I’ve always loved being able to look at them and smell them. There’s nothing better.
I will not buy an expensive comic online unless it has been graded. Period. Too much risk of being ripped off. That's why third-party grading started in the first place (because of the online market). In person, of course, is different. But even then, in today's world more than ever, the buyer had better beware, as there are plenty of crooks around.
But the main grading company is also crooked. Special deals for particular clients (all the recent 9.9 Wolverine #1s were submitted by ONE auction house!!); loose standards (not noting missing value stamps, missing centerfolds, etc); no clarity in actual grading criteria regarding what distinguishes 9.4 from 9.8; charging a percentage of perceived value to grade; and at this point, uncertainty if the label even matches the book in the holder ... the traditional market has it's cowboys, but the slabbing world is no better.
Never slabbed for all the reasons you mentioned. Cgc is a business for those who can't grade comics. Perfect for those who are liquidating when they have no idea what they have
I use top loaders to protect valuable raw books. They are cheap and you still have access to the book. CGC isn’t doing anything in their grading process that anyone reading this comment couldn’t do at home. Take the power back!
Well said. My own view is that only the really high-end grails need to be slabbed (mainly to check for signs of restoration). Everything else is just a waste, and, as you say, robs you of the full experience of the book. Even if I don't read the comic, I still love reading the ads and the letters, and enjoy just being able to hold a piece of history in my hands.
I’ve stopped selling raw keys on eBay because of so many scammy buyers are using you to upgrade their beat to hell book, file for a refund as item not described and get their money back. Meanwhile you’re stuck with their beat copy and a net loss. At least slabs put an end to the switcheroo.
@@bandoogiemanz I used to sell, a few years after when CGC made their appearance on eBay. Back then I think it was just PGX and CGC. I can remember buying a few raw books that were color touched and/or trimmed. Luckily eBay did an instant refund, but I think my sellers rating had a lot to do with that. For key issues, I think CGC is a must, depending on how much you want to gamble with a raw. For some of the bigger books, like HOS92, in high grade, I'd do the sale one on one in my local.
Hi - I have a collection of mostly 80's comics that i'd like to start selling on Ebay. What are some ways i can protect myself from this type of scam you mention?
Hey sticky, love the channel. Personally i enjoy buying raw books and then working on them via pressing and cleaning myself, then sending the comics off to CGC. Feels good improving the comics and hopefully getting good grades in return
Now that everyone is getting out of it. I'll go grade a heap of comics cheaper then it was when all the flippers were abusing it. The idea is to have your cgc grades comics on display and you read your tpb or omnibuses
I have a collection of nearly 10 000 books and in my entire collection, I only have 1 CGC book. It's an Aipha Flight #51 SS Jim Lee CGC 9.8. I love that book. But to not be able to open, read or see the art, I find that ridiculous, in my opinion. I personally never understood the appeal
Especially if they are stored in mycomicshop slab boxes or something similar to protect the holder. The space needed to store and move a slab collection then goes even higher.
Comic Pro Line - clear backing boards. I use them for wrap around covers, and 1/1 original sketch, wrap around covers. Works fine, for now. There's a few other brands I want to try.
I don't want to be that "I told you so" guy. So I won't be. I've bought a few slabs myself. But you just pointed out yet another reason not to bother. You think you've got a nice old book, some teenager sitting bored at a table pops a lower grade on it because they want to get back to their phone, and BAM! Your book just ended up being worth way less than you paid for it. On top of that, you're out the fees and postage! And that postage isn't cheap or safe anymore. Thanks, Postmaster General! Don't get me started on that... Being an old school collector, I remember the days when we would just trade comics at school and we didn't care if they even had a cover or not as long as it was a book we wanted. In the 90's, condition definitely started being a more important factor to collectors. Just having something wasn't good enough. It had to be pretty. Then grading came along and it had to be perfect. Now, it has to be key issues. Screw a regular run of a book. I'm glad to see more people getting interested in comics for comics. Reading them is fun! Yeah, you can get the story in an omnibus, but it's kind of cool to open a book and know when it came from just by the particular smell! It's like drinking a fine wine...Letting it breathe...Smelling the newsprint...Feeling the different textures...Reading the book and getting a feel for time period it came out. Seeing ads from a time long gone to see what companies thought kids would be into. Slabbing...Is like buying a bottle of MD 2020 and chugging it. It gets the job done, but you're not really enjoying it. And the hangover the next day... If someone really loves slabbing, that is fine. I've gotten over fighting about how it's killing the hobby. The comic industry is doing a fine job of that all by itself. But it's nice to see people get into the spirit of collecting by opening and enjoying their books. Now, if you have something like that Wrightson signed Swamp Thing, I could totally see getting that slabbed, since it's a book you love and it would be nice to have as a show piece. But the people getting random crap slabbed....I won't mention any names, but a good instance is a TH-camr who had like fifty issues of a book slabbed and most came back 9.8's. Like I told him..."Good on single-handedly killing the value on that book!" One thing slabbing is doing is proving that a lot of "rare" books are not nearly as rare as we thought they were. I wouldn't say Incredible Hulk #181 would ever tank, but is it really worth thousands of dollars if there are as many of them floating around as there is? I mean, some modern books are WAY more rare than that! Probably be the collecting boom of the future: Comics from 2016-2025! Prints runs of under 20,000! Wow! Ok, anyway, great video! From what I've seen of your channel lately, you're definitely one of the more sane comic tubers! Keep up the great work. And...To slab or not to slab. The best answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Everyone should do what they want. But I'm always happy to see someone enjoying their comics fully.
I love getting mine CGC graded just because it does display nicely with the rest of my Predator collection. I do have the Omnibus of the comics from the 90's, so I can still read them Predator 1-? I don't loose out as much about "not" being able to read any of my stories.
I was at an LCS about a year back that had a wall of slabbed BRZRKR variant covers going for $70. Considering the variant covers didn't come into play until $60+ in the kickstarter, and the slabbing costs, I couldn't help but think how much money whoever slabbed those things already lost.
OMG SG this video appears to be an application submission to join the OMCCS. Old Man Comic Collectors Society . It is about damn time. You just need to do one more thing. Repeat after me: Get Off My Lawn!!!!!! 🤪
I think it depends on how you define value. I would argue that slabbing increases a book's "fungibility" - I'm using the term in the sense of how fast you can sell the item for the most money. I would rather have an item I could sell quick over an item that is worth a good bit but takes forever to sell. So, in the sense of getting your money quicker - I think slabs have more "value" than raw. But do I personally slab books - NO - and I only buy slabs when they are the near the price of raw.
supply and demand matters. doesnt matter how valuable you think your book is, if there are no buyers. raw books no one wants, wont sell, but then graded books no one wants, won't sell either.
Agree with your view. I recently bought at auction mid grade silver age ASM’s well below their respective FMV’s and cracked them out of the case to enjoy. They will not be regraded, rather to be enjoyed in their raw form.
I grade my books to make them easier for my daughter to sell after I'm gone. People submitting new books, chasing the 9.8 dragon, annoy me. They are the main reason that grading takes so long at CGC. Don't go into the hobby hoping to get rich.
Im mainly a Raw buyer. The only time I buy slabbed is when I'm looking for grail and cant find it any other way, or, if I get a great deal on a slabbed book.
Good video. The real treasure of comic books is what’s between the covers. When they slabbed they just a conversation piece. What ever makes people happy tho, so many ways to collect.
Ironic thing is that if grading fees were lower, you’d most likely still be slabbing your books and missing out on the enjoyment of actually reading the books raw. Sometimes it takes a financial hit for folks to come around but hey, we all make mistakes.
My two cents on to grade: If something happens to me, my wife (who knows nothing of comics) can know what the value is and not be taken my a scammer saying oh this ASM 300, yes its worth 500, but your has this tick and this tick, I will give you 100. If it is graded at a 9.4, she knows the values is $605, and she could make a better decision on what to sell it for. Also, if you have these books for the long haul, long term investment, I think it is worth it.
I’ve heard this argument quite often but I don’t totally agree. If she knows nothing about comics, having a number in the corner isn’t going to help. Any buyer who senses her ignorance is going to try to rip her off regardless. It’s more likely that any loved one who inherits our collections is going to offload them as quickly as possible in one bulk sale. So, whatever additional value your graded books may have, won’t mean much at the end of the day. Slabbing is purely a tool for dealers and auctions houses to make top dollar with minimum effort.
@@Supertomscustoms appreciate the reply. My only retort to this, is she can find on Covrprice (where I have all my books logged into) the FMV of a graded book. She is smart enough to know that is the basic price and who ever she is dealing cant use subjective reasons why it is worth 40% less. Who am I kidding, if I go first, she would love to get the 200 slabs and 15,000 loose books out of the house, first $2000 would get it.
@@Supertomscustoms Well think about it this way. if she googles "ASM 300" there will be tons of different prices at different conditions. if she types "ASM 300 cgc 9.4" its ALOT more concise.
I love the smell and feel of a raw comic. I have very few modern books slabbed, eg. UF 4, SIKTC Dekal variant, etc. for the reasons you discussed. I do routinely slab my bronze and silver keys for protection and display, however. I also enjoy buying and cleaning raw books and slabbing them for resale and some "beer money." I find the cleaning and pressing process is very relaxing for me. You do make a valid arguement with good points about the costs and potential pitfalls of grading. Also, I should note I'm older and am financially stable, kids grown up and living their own lives, and I do live just a hop, skip, and a jump from Sarasota, so my mailing costs are not huge. I don't think I'd spend much on getting books slabbed if my family was still young and debts were not paid off.
I think there is value to slabbing older grailish keys if you ever pass them on to family or pass away because buyers will know if there has been restoration or not and will help the family if they choose to sell the books. Also signature series books make sense since you otherwise may not be able to have the artist or writer sign your book unless you sent it in for grading.
I like the look of my books in the slabs, but I also buy books and never resell them, so I don't slab for the financial boost it provides, purely for the aesthetic value the provide
The only problem i have with grading what people choose to send in. Modern minor keys that end up selling for $20 in 9.8, or mid-geade non key silver or bronze age. Grading should ve reserved for more important or significant books. Even then, i dont send in unless im getting ready to sell.
Agree on all accounts. I’d be so scared and hesitant to send things off to get graded, and like you said there is so much enjoyment and satisfaction just having the ability to open it up and look at it, even if you never actually do
Just learned about this whole comic book thing a few days ago. I got all my spiderman's and superman's from the late 70's through to the eighties with a pile of star trek comics from the 60's. They all look really good as I put them in sleeves back in the late 80's. Who do I give all these too as I couldn't be bothered trying to grade them or sell them individually.
Completely new to the comic book world as an adult, but have been doing a lot of research on my family’s collection of comics and I have to say, I agree with your sentiment. I’ve been enjoying finding raw key issues and being able to flip through the pages (with the utmost care of course) and see the history of things we love. Seeing videos on YT about very old graded comics that people don’t even know the contents of is absurd. If I become insanely rich, I’m buying hella rare old slabbed comics and breaking them open IDGAF.
I agree, I was thinking about sending a few but the cost/benefit is not there, and then when I have sent books that for sure are 9.8s in my mind they come back 9.6 for the stupidest reasons. Good video, you saved me some bucks
cgc has mitigated that to an extent by removing the pre-screen minimum. I will never send another modern book without a 9.8 prescreen. i'd rather pay the $9 reject fee than pay the grading fee only to be saddled with a modern 9.6 or lower that i cant even sell for break even.
I like Comic Skin Slabs they also make labels. So I’m not bias I have ppl I trust at a couple LCS to grade the books I’ll have a label created based on what they believe. It allows me to have a great display but I can read the books when ever I want to.
I too have been rethinking my submission process. I just sent in an already graded CGC 7.0 blue label with off-white pages of X-Men #94 that I had cracked, cleaned, pressed and then resubmitted for the Chris Claremont signing. The cleaning and pressing done on this book really made the book look way better. However, after receiving it back it dropped to a CGC 6.5 Purple Label with White Pages. Every thing about this book was different and it was very disappointing. I called CGC to ask where this color touch is, and they still haven't been able to tell me. They said once I crack the book their policy is that it isn't guaranteed anymore. I get they have to have this policy to cover themselves and sure, I can understand a grade drop and page colors maybe changin, but color touch that wasn't there before that is now. Either CGC screwed this one up when they originally graded my book, or they are misidentifying color touch that isn't even there. It pretty much is a crap shoot and what graders you end up with. I went into the process pf getting this signed by Claremont looking good on the value I had into the book, just to be in a huge hole. It really is a disappointment.
I just got a Web of Spider-Man #32, its raw but I feel is a 9.8 yet Cover price says a raw 9.6 is $40 (CP has no 9.8 listed) and a 9.8 graded is $400... how do I tell a comic shop owner I want $400 or even get it ?
If a 9.8 is worth $400 you won't get anything close to that from a comic shop whether the comic is slabbed or not. $400 is what the comic shop would resell it for, not what they'd pay for it. TBH once you factor in the cost of getting it graded and slabbed, you'll be lucky to make a $10 profit if you sell it to a comic shop. The only way you'd get close to $400 is if you sold it privately to another collector.
I feel you, I only slab books for protection that get put into fireproof storage lol. I do think if you get a good deal and you get a decent grade with CGC it does increase the value slightly. It's basically gambling tho.
SG! You are NOT wrong here! CGC intentionally moved the bar as a distraction to there mess and it has put collectors at a disadvantage regarding the 9.9’s. Plus, the adrenaline dump after receiving a slab is short-lived. Like you, I am not against buying a slab. But, the entire notion of slabbing is getting stale. However, I live in Florida and not too far from CGC so, I do save on shipping fee’s. Anyhow, I am riding with you on this one. PS: down sizing my collection as well. But comics still rock!
In my old age I am learning that life is short and there are more meaningful things to spend your money on. Over valued pieces of paper ain't one of them. I see collectors spending more money on books rather than making money on books. I know I have.
I wish someone would design a holder that could be manufactured relatively cheaply that protects books as well as a slab but is openable and has a 'label' slot down the spine. So looking at the book is clear, just a nice clear border displaying the book alone. But you can add a thin label down the spine with the name printed and a barcode (or anything else you want.) So they'll look nice on a bookshelf from the side as well. Then have a piece of cataloging software. And you can add your own grade in this software. Then also let people have a 'digital signature' and the ability to add their opinion of the grade to the barcoded book (if asked by the owner.) So essentially, a community could be built around grading each other's comic books and having a digitally verified date/signature that this person says this comic was a specific grade at this time. It basically would be a DIY/community sourced version of graded comic books. It wouldn't taint the book with the ugly labels or undesired grades but the needed info can be shown in the software. It would be well protected and displayable. Sure the grading system wouldn't be as 'fraud resistant' as something like CGC since the book won't actually be sealed in the case but it does give collectors something to show that it isn't just their opinion that the book grades high or low. These 4 other people also graded the book. And you could also see how often those 4 other people grade people's books and how strict they might be compared to others. And if the holders are nice enough and cheap enough, people would just buy them anyway, even if they're not planning to use the software.
why read a hulk 181 in pretty good condition on the off chance it slips out your hand or you tear the front cover or a page or you drop it and blunt a corner potentially costing you hundreds or even thousands of dollars in resale value, when you can just buy a facsimile of that book for $10 and read that?
I remember when CGC first came out and I had my local comic shop send in 4 books for me. Yes, the wait time was rather long but I think it was better back then. Do I slab now? Absolutely not. I have a huge Batman/Tec collection with only one slab out of 3000. Only because it cost less than raw.
I so agree with you on the feeling about buying Slabs .I only have 2 and it was exciting at first then …sad AMS#150-9.2 no more slabs for me a raw book is So much more better.Thanks for your post
I recently sent three comics into CGC to get graded. One I had pressed before grading. It was the only one I have problems with. The other two got 9.8 grades. The one I had pressed and graded came back a 9.6. The reason? “Finger creases top of back cover.” Doesn’t the pressing take care of finger creases? In my pre-screening, I notice a few non-color breaking finger creases on the front, none of the back. When I inspected the comic when it came back, the finger creases on the front were gone. When I inspected the back, I once again found no finger creases. I decided to contact CGC and ask about it. I was less than thrilled with the response. Matt M from CGC informed me that there was a color breaking finger crease (singular) on the top-right corner. He sent an enlarged photo that evidently showed this. I looked at the enlarged photo and did not see what he was talking about. Matt M told me that I could send it back for regrading, but that “this book was reviewed by multiple graders including a head grader to come to the final grade and all of them agreed on these final grades.” The grader notes said “creases” as in plural. Matt M seemed to think there was only one crease and that it broke color. The grader notes said nothing about creases that broke color. CGC irritated me with how they shipped the books back to me. I sent the three books together in one box. They sent each book back separately, charging $20 each time. How wasteful. I’m not even sure how much everything cost. I know that I had $150 credit with my membership. The only charge I saw on my credit card was $10.25, so I’m assuming my first and only experience with CGC totaled $160.25. I don’t really know because there’s no place online I can check my account balance.
if thats all they charged then your numbers sound about right. they removed the pre-screen minimum, so if you think your books are 9.8 you should be using the pre-screen at that grade when submitting. They will only grade it if its a 9.8 otherwise they will send it back raw and charge you a $9 reject fee. i prefer being out nine dollars with a raw book over being out 30 or more dollars and having a 9.6 or lower graded book that i may now have a difficult time selling(assuming my goal was to sell.)
I’ve never sent a book to be graded, but I have bought a few over time. I like the idea of the book being protected, but think I prefer using the thicker top loaders for protection and display purposes.
I just just thinking about this myself when I ran into your video. Save the money on slabs, use it to get more comics :) win win! .. Also what is the ideal way now if you do not slab to keep comics safe ( bad/board and then put in Top loaders? ) I am more concerned on keeping my comics for longevity over quick buck sales.
I have been able to fund my hobby by sending books to CGC. It's not easy, and you need to be patient. You also need to be able to press and clean your own books to be successful. Things I do to maximize my time and profit are: 1. Keep submissions to 25 or as close to 25 as possible. Shipping is the same for 5 books or 25 2. Press and Clean your books. I work from home; cleaning a book and placing it into the press is super easy. I do this while doing other tasks. 3. Make sure what you are buying has a profit potential. This is the hardest part. It's easy to feel like you need to be sending things. I go months without sending anything sometimes. Other times I get lucky and I find a bunch of great stuff. 4. Avoid books with huge drops from 9.8 to 9.6 unless you are 100% certain it will get a 9.8 5. Prescreens are not always your friend. From experience, they tend to be a lot harsher, especially on older modern books. 6. Avoid sending books from different modern eras. For example, if you are sending things from 1990, don't send in things from the 2000's. It's natural for graders to be more harsh after seeing a perfect book that is only a few years old versus one that's almost 40. 7. Don't forget about selling fees, especially on eBay My style is simple; there are things I collect to keep and things I want to sell to keep funding this hobby.
I have zero interest in getting my books Graded. I honestly think it's only worth it to put into a protective case. The grading...they can keep. Plus they rough up your books...I don't know these people. Sell the cases to us...let us do our own thing. Their judgement sucks too.
You’re 100 right. I’d even argue that raw books often get sold for more. A 9.0 X-Men 130 per example, first Hellfire. Sells for peanuts, slabbed. Raw, people will think a press could make it a 9.6.
I bought slabbed books but it lost its luster after a bit. Totally agree. I will say this, once we get rid of slabs for modern books, we should start analyzing what a “key issue” actually is. I believe slab I g also ruined what we consider a key issue.
Of course grading doesn't increase their value. If you give anything over to grading its done by nearly always incompetent people that have opinions about things, just like auctioneers at auction houses. They arent experts that are accredited and as a whole they make more mistakes than the average joe or jane looking to add something to their collection. even if they are accredited, anyone can buy or make it themselves a fake certificate. It doesn't matter if its coins, comic books, stamps, antiques, antique books, antique cars and so on, they always miss the mark. I also have heard that there were coin graders that faked coins that were sent in to them and put the fake ones in the grading case while keeping the genuine one. Ditto with comic book graders ( not creating a fake comic but switching it out with one of theirs that is less quality). If you grade anything the seller will go " this is worth so much" and then the potential buyer will go " the grading is done wrong because of this that and the other and i can see there are smudges or what have you on it so...". Boom instant friction. You want to sell something, they want to buy something and its better to compromise a bit so everyone is happy. Of course you always have those bozos that want gold coins that are worth 5000$ + and buy them from you for 2$ or even 100$... ditto with comic books. with those types i have no patience. Usually i say something like " you know the value of this, i know the value of this and i am prepared to negotiate but lets be honest here. if you cant be like that, there is the door".
I’ll buy graded for online purchases but I’ll only submit my biggest raw keys going forward (not for resale value - for keeping long term). I’m a comic buyer, not a comic seller so the “grade it for increased value” idea makes little sense to me and always has.
I just sent 1 comic (TMNT #1 - 3rd print) and it cost too much!!! I only want a certain few books slabbed that I am not doing to make money but to preserve a comic I am not going to read. I have about 3000 comics and only 7 slabs, all sent myself I have never bought a slab. They all had sentimental value to me. those are really the only ones I want as a slab. I was planning on sending 4 more (TMNT #2,3,4 and Last Ronin #1) most likely and that would be it for me. I agree it is stressful to send them, and not about the money for me.
You're wrong if you think grading doesn't increase the value. For major sellers, maybe not. They price their raw books at graded prices. As a collector and seller myself, grading provides a security blanket. I feel more confident buying graded books online, and graded books sell faster online. That being said, any raw books I buy and plan on holding onto aren't getting graded
I bought slabs only because presentation wise i liked how they looked. Now we have a lot more better looking protective cases and frames. The need to slab is going away..
Been collecting off and on since around 1987 pretty good at looking at a book and figuring out what its grade is but for me it's not about how much its worth once I have a comic in my possession it stays with me forever I am what some might call a comic hoarder it takes me time to build up a certain collection and to sell it off just defeats the purpose of me collecting them. I do own a few CGC graded comic books, but I bought them online only because I loved the art on the book, and I had one raw I could read anyway so I got them to display. In my opinion buying a graded book is for art it looks nice and can present well when displayed properly. I will always prefer raw over graded any day of the week. I keep my raw books in a plastic comic container boarded and bagged in my closet and every so often I will crack it open and look through them some of my comic books bring back memories of how I got them and who I was with at the time.
The only book you showed that I would even consider grading is the signed Swamp Thing by the late, great Bernie Wrightson. But I would probably be a little afraid of CGC losing or damaging it to be honest. I’m with you Sticky Goose, my collection is kept in mylar sleeves and it’s nice to take them out and look at them every now and then. You completely lose the experience once you slab the book.
I bought a Zelda no price variant $250 sent to my presser then to CGC my costs where total $325 into that book tops. Came back a 9.8 sold it for $2k as I needed the funds for other stuff
Man, it bums me out to hear your despair with where you are right now with your collecting. I've really loved your enthusiasm since I started following. Not saying you're being a killjoy or a buzzkill, it just makes me sad for you. I've shared some of the same laments, I know it's gonna be BRUTAL when it comes time to sell (if that happens before I die, which it probably will). Sounds like you're turning the corner and starting to reconnect with fun. On to the topic...you made many good points, and I would add that it depends. I will preface ALL the following by saying I'm a collector, NOT a flipper. But I do have an eye toward being prudent, and considering the day when I will eventually part ways with my collection. My two cents *IF* you are considering the monetary aspect, ROI raw vs. graded, etc. Be VERY judicious and selective. ANALYZE. Number crunch. I was there for a while myself, about 10 years ago, slabbing hither and yon. I pulled back about 6 years ago. Now I always crunch the numbers -- and ensure significant margin -- to make sure the current GPA valuation is at least $100 above my TOTAL cost (cost of comic, insured shipping, grading, possible pressing, and return shipping). And fortunately, I didn't slab ANYTHING from 2020-2023. (It wasn't because I was smart, it was by sheer coincidence--I just took a break from the hobby when it was running wild. I didn't even know about the boom until late 2022.) I created spreadsheets and analytic aids to help me decide what to submit. If the money matters, only slab slam-dunks, that you don't mind never opening again, that you think present awesomely that way. And after all that considered in, I have maybe 3-4 comics left that are high-confidence "winners" valuation-wise based on the above calculation concept. Most of the books you showed are great, and some may be a little more liquid if slabbed, but I wouldn't slab any of those either...really, one should only submit vintage (pre'75) books if they're worth AT LEAST $300 raw in grade (again based purely on the financial...maybe you just want it authenticated or in a slab for its own sake). And base that calculation a grade notch or two below what your heart wants it to be...be conservative with projected grade for the number crunch. And as far as that fleeting dopamine hit, that's why I rotate my slabs out of the boxes and display a few different ones every week or two so I can glean more appreciation from them.
I've been collecting since the mid-70's, and I've seen how the 90's until now have done harm to the industry. The gimmicks of embossed, hologram, multi variant covers, over-printing, signatures, and slabbing have in my opinion hurt what comic collecting is about. I wouldn't slab anything post 60's. It would need to be something very special. I've never slabbed any of my books, the slabs (70's on), the ones I have were from auctions, and they were purchased at or below the raw value. I have two books I'm thinking of getting slabbed are Action Comics 83, and Detective comics 106. Not an everyday occurrence that you come across when collecting.
I have a Deadpool collection if i spend from cover price to 50.00 its bag and board, if i spend 50.00 to 100.00 its goes hard shell protection case and anything other 100.00 or plus mostly like slab because of the value or rarity
There’s always been a rule with Graded comic books and unless the comic book costs $150 or more raw you don’t send it in to get graded. People need to stop sending comic books that aren’t worth getting graded into get graded. Nobody wants filler books that are graded. The key issues will always sell graded maybe not for the price you want for it, but it will sell. We’re in a bad economic time right now. People don’t have extra money to be spending eventually the market will go back up.
I buy comics to read and for myself, not for the value of them. The ones I collect are actually modern. They wouldn’t be worth much. But to me they’re priceless. It’s always a better experience to get joy from looking at the books and being able to admire them out of a hunk of hard plastic in my opinion.
Albedo 2 is in the house and it will remain slabbed. Same for the Peach Momoko stuff that’s only a cool cover anyways. But the shipping fees are whack, as is waiting around for fed ex!
I don’t like slapping my stuff because I go to cons all the time and I might find an artist or writer that I would like to sign it. There’s just a finality to it when it slabbed.
I’m scared to have them graded. I just don’t want my comics to leave me and possibly become lost or damaged. Separation anxiety for me 😂
Had a Hulk 180 and a ASM 129 make it to the Fedex location near my home from CGC, but never made it to my house. I was given a check for $120, not even enough to cover what I paid to have them graded, I know you fear.
@@Rush_yt1 That's insane did you try to dispute it with your credit card merchant or ask for help?
Yea they are most definately staying at home 😭
@@cristiantapia631 I did. I fought with Fedex, involved CGC. even looked into using my home owers insurance to cover the total loss. My home owners insurance would cost me a $5000 deductible and the books even with the grades totaled around $2000. I spoke to an attorney friend who went to law school with a lawyer that works for Fedex. She advised that they with UPS, and USPS ship over six million packages a day, some are going to get lost (more like stolen). It sucked. It was during the pandemic, because I asked if I could come pick them up (9 hour drive) but at the time no drop off or pick ups. The one thing I learned was get the insurance, lol!
I just did my first submissions. Submitted about 20 books, and half came back with spine ticks that weren’t there before.
Their reason for slabbing should never be value increase. It should be a neutral party mediating a Grade, after that the value should fall in place based on that grade. The biggest problem with raw books is dealers and sellers grossly over grading which is the reason we have third party graders on the first place
Exactly, and it will maintain that condition.
You ain’t wrong. This is gonna sound funny but I’ve always loved the smell of old comics
Umnnnn. Ok fellow weirdo. My gf shakes her head when I buy comic or card collections and the first thing I do is sniff em. She just shakes her head and walks out of the room. Ha ha
CBSA. Comic Book Sniffers Anonymous.
That smell alway bring back fond memories of walking into a comic store in the 70’s and 80’s and know that this is the place to be!
Thanks guys at least I’m not alone
Comic sniffing addict right here :)
There are two reasons as to why I’ve personally had comics slabbed (around 30 total books):
1. For key books that I want to sell that are in good enough condition that I will make more money from their sale.
2. To preserve key, high price, high grade books in my collection that I never plan on selling that will go to my nieces and nephews when I am removed from this mortal coil. I figure those books will be a lot easier for them to sell at a good price even if they know nothing about comics.
This is only what I have done. It is not a suggestion of how you should handle your books. To each, their own. 🤘
I don't get the modern slabbed.
@@casino_comics Depending on what you consider "Modern Age” to be, I don’t either - except for a rare Spectacular Spider-Man #233 Australian Price Variant that received a 9.8. If you decide to scour the internet for an image of that issue, the only images you will find (if any) are of my copy - some before and after it was graded. It’s the only copy on the CGC census regardless of grade. Now, I just have to find the person who collects very high grade Australian Price Variants. 🙂
@johnnydropkicks I have to remember modern is the last 30 years...🤣....the new modern books.
@@casino_comics I know. 33+ years crazy long, but since that’s what most of the industry considers “modern” comics to be (1992 and after), that’s what I go with. Some people consider 1975 and after as "modern." That’s even crazier.
@@casino_comics Some modern books are VERY scarce, just depends on the books.
This is my dream come through. A world where we can actually enjoy the book we bought and not entombing it in plastic because it makes you more money. Agree with your points about it keeping it raw. It takes so long sometimes for humans to realize they are being duped from their hard earned money doing things like slabbing or chasing 9.8's with endless re-submissions for a grader to lower the grade making you frustrated and less likely to enjoy this great hobby.
I like having my valuable books slabbed for the protection, but you are right. This new 9.9 and 10.0 grading crap really puts me off.
The slab doesn’t protect it there is still wiggle room so tired of people saying that. Not to mention there are numerous better ways to protect the books 📚 better cases exist for one thing
@jimmyhayes6017 your opinion and your preference, not mine. Do what you want.
@@SuperMoleRetro better cases existing is not an option it’s a fact but okay
I agree. I’d rather grade the high value books I love and just read the reprints. I’m sure there are other cases but a graded one will insure an easy sale when I finally sell off my collection.
What's the best cases ? @@jimmyhayes6017
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The books are there to be enjoyed for the stories and the art. The creators deserve that respect, and there are some incredible comic book stories out there. Glad to see you're getting into yours, sir.
I gotta say, where your content is today vs last year is like night and day. Keep up the great content.
The only time I find value in graded books is buying online for golden age, where pages or cutouts are often enough that severely hinder my commitment to buying anything of value raw. I'm not worried about buying lower grade unless it's a grail with significant value/risk.
It's more fun to collect books rather than pieces of plastic. Also, 9.9 killed the slab market:(
I never have been big on graded books. Even my keys, my Batman 181 and Batman 232. I’ve always loved being able to look at them and smell them. There’s nothing better.
I will not buy an expensive comic online unless it has been graded. Period. Too much risk of being ripped off. That's why third-party grading started in the first place (because of the online market). In person, of course, is different. But even then, in today's world more than ever, the buyer had better beware, as there are plenty of crooks around.
But the main grading company is also crooked. Special deals for particular clients (all the recent 9.9 Wolverine #1s were submitted by ONE auction house!!); loose standards (not noting missing value stamps, missing centerfolds, etc); no clarity in actual grading criteria regarding what distinguishes 9.4 from 9.8; charging a percentage of perceived value to grade; and at this point, uncertainty if the label even matches the book in the holder ... the traditional market has it's cowboys, but the slabbing world is no better.
@@bensaunders2370 crooks everywhere, yes. Better to keep your money.
Never slabbed for all the reasons you mentioned. Cgc is a business for those who can't grade comics. Perfect for those who are liquidating when they have no idea what they have
I use top loaders to protect valuable raw books. They are cheap and you still have access to the book. CGC isn’t doing anything in their grading process that anyone reading this comment couldn’t do at home. Take the power back!
Well said. My own view is that only the really high-end grails need to be slabbed (mainly to check for signs of restoration). Everything else is just a waste, and, as you say, robs you of the full experience of the book. Even if I don't read the comic, I still love reading the ads and the letters, and enjoy just being able to hold a piece of history in my hands.
Damn good point!
I’ve stopped selling raw keys on eBay because of so many scammy buyers are using you to upgrade their beat to hell book, file for a refund as item not described and get their money back. Meanwhile you’re stuck with their beat copy and a net loss. At least slabs put an end to the switcheroo.
Is that a common thing on eBay now?
so where do you sell now
@@deerichardz its always been a thing, although its never happened to me, but all the keys i sell on ebay are modern and theyre all graded.
@@bandoogiemanz I used to sell, a few years after when CGC made their appearance on eBay. Back then I think it was just PGX and CGC. I can remember buying a few raw books that were color touched and/or trimmed. Luckily eBay did an instant refund, but I think my sellers rating had a lot to do with that. For key issues, I think CGC is a must, depending on how much you want to gamble with a raw. For some of the bigger books, like HOS92, in high grade, I'd do the sale one on one in my local.
Hi - I have a collection of mostly 80's comics that i'd like to start selling on Ebay. What are some ways i can protect myself from this type of scam you mention?
Hey sticky, love the channel. Personally i enjoy buying raw books and then working on them via pressing and cleaning myself, then sending the comics off to CGC. Feels good improving the comics and hopefully getting good grades in return
im considering trying to learn to press myself. any pointers you think are helpful
Now that everyone is getting out of it. I'll go grade a heap of comics cheaper then it was when all the flippers were abusing it. The idea is to have your cgc grades comics on display and you read your tpb or omnibuses
I have a collection of nearly 10 000 books and in my entire collection, I only have 1 CGC book. It's an Aipha Flight #51 SS Jim Lee CGC 9.8. I love that book. But to not be able to open, read or see the art, I find that ridiculous, in my opinion. I personally never understood the appeal
So many people forget about or do not mention the size difference between raw books and graded books. There is QUITE a difference.
Especially if they are stored in mycomicshop slab boxes or something similar to protect the holder. The space needed to store and move a slab collection then goes even higher.
Has anybody in here ever purchased and/or ever used clear backing boards. If so, what brand; and what is your opinion on them? Thanks.
I love clear backing boards. The brand I use is INVISIBOARD (purchased from Bags Unlimited).
Comic Pro Line - clear backing boards. I use them for wrap around covers, and 1/1 original sketch, wrap around covers. Works fine, for now. There's a few other brands I want to try.
I don't want to be that "I told you so" guy. So I won't be. I've bought a few slabs myself. But you just pointed out yet another reason not to bother. You think you've got a nice old book, some teenager sitting bored at a table pops a lower grade on it because they want to get back to their phone, and BAM! Your book just ended up being worth way less than you paid for it. On top of that, you're out the fees and postage! And that postage isn't cheap or safe anymore. Thanks, Postmaster General! Don't get me started on that...
Being an old school collector, I remember the days when we would just trade comics at school and we didn't care if they even had a cover or not as long as it was a book we wanted. In the 90's, condition definitely started being a more important factor to collectors. Just having something wasn't good enough. It had to be pretty. Then grading came along and it had to be perfect. Now, it has to be key issues. Screw a regular run of a book.
I'm glad to see more people getting interested in comics for comics. Reading them is fun! Yeah, you can get the story in an omnibus, but it's kind of cool to open a book and know when it came from just by the particular smell! It's like drinking a fine wine...Letting it breathe...Smelling the newsprint...Feeling the different textures...Reading the book and getting a feel for time period it came out. Seeing ads from a time long gone to see what companies thought kids would be into. Slabbing...Is like buying a bottle of MD 2020 and chugging it. It gets the job done, but you're not really enjoying it. And the hangover the next day...
If someone really loves slabbing, that is fine. I've gotten over fighting about how it's killing the hobby. The comic industry is doing a fine job of that all by itself. But it's nice to see people get into the spirit of collecting by opening and enjoying their books. Now, if you have something like that Wrightson signed Swamp Thing, I could totally see getting that slabbed, since it's a book you love and it would be nice to have as a show piece. But the people getting random crap slabbed....I won't mention any names, but a good instance is a TH-camr who had like fifty issues of a book slabbed and most came back 9.8's. Like I told him..."Good on single-handedly killing the value on that book!" One thing slabbing is doing is proving that a lot of "rare" books are not nearly as rare as we thought they were. I wouldn't say Incredible Hulk #181 would ever tank, but is it really worth thousands of dollars if there are as many of them floating around as there is? I mean, some modern books are WAY more rare than that! Probably be the collecting boom of the future: Comics from 2016-2025! Prints runs of under 20,000! Wow!
Ok, anyway, great video! From what I've seen of your channel lately, you're definitely one of the more sane comic tubers! Keep up the great work. And...To slab or not to slab. The best answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Everyone should do what they want. But I'm always happy to see someone enjoying their comics fully.
I love getting mine CGC graded just because it does display nicely with the rest of my Predator collection. I do have the Omnibus of the comics from the 90's, so I can still read them Predator 1-? I don't loose out as much about "not" being able to read any of my stories.
@@Fin-gj2th If not Omnibus then that is why I buy 3 copies, 1 to get signed, 1 grade, and 1 to keep reading.
Couldn’t agree with you more. I actually just cracked a handful of slabs this week because I wanna page through and read!
You can read digital copies for free.
@@GravelRacer1 Lol, hard pass. I prefer the physical.
I was at an LCS about a year back that had a wall of slabbed BRZRKR variant covers going for $70. Considering the variant covers didn't come into play until $60+ in the kickstarter, and the slabbing costs, I couldn't help but think how much money whoever slabbed those things already lost.
OMG SG this video appears to be an application submission to join the OMCCS. Old Man Comic Collectors Society . It is about damn time. You just need to do one more thing. Repeat after me: Get Off My Lawn!!!!!! 🤪
Couldn’t agree more. Too many issues with grading now. I’m done too.
I think it depends on how you define value. I would argue that slabbing increases a book's "fungibility" - I'm using the term in the sense of how fast you can sell the item for the most money. I would rather have an item I could sell quick over an item that is worth a good bit but takes forever to sell. So, in the sense of getting your money quicker - I think slabs have more "value" than raw. But do I personally slab books - NO - and I only buy slabs when they are the near the price of raw.
supply and demand matters. doesnt matter how valuable you think your book is, if there are no buyers. raw books no one wants, wont sell, but then graded books no one wants, won't sell either.
lol..duh!!!! Never once slabbed a book. All this "human" grading will be meaningless when they get to the "Ai Graded" label in a couple of years!!
My ex-wife works at CGC so I can't send mine there anyway.
Agree with your view. I recently bought at auction mid grade silver age ASM’s well below their respective FMV’s and cracked them out of the case to enjoy. They will not be regraded, rather to be enjoyed in their raw form.
Never started sending or buying them. Have no intentions of starting anytime soon
I don't own one slab. Great comic videos. Thanks dude!
I grade my books to make them easier for my daughter to sell after I'm gone. People submitting new books, chasing the 9.8 dragon, annoy me. They are the main reason that grading takes so long at CGC. Don't go into the hobby hoping to get rich.
Im mainly a Raw buyer. The only time I buy slabbed is when I'm looking for grail and cant find it any other way, or, if I get a great deal on a slabbed book.
Good video. The real treasure of comic books is what’s between the covers. When they slabbed they just a conversation piece. What ever makes people happy tho, so many ways to collect.
Ironic thing is that if grading fees were lower, you’d most likely still be slabbing your books and missing out on the enjoyment of actually reading the books raw. Sometimes it takes a financial hit for folks to come around but hey, we all make mistakes.
Crazy part is the graders spend an average of 10 seconds per comic. 10 SECONDS!!
How do they check the pages, centerfold, spine and cover and also restoration check in 10 seconds?
My two cents on to grade: If something happens to me, my wife (who knows nothing of comics) can know what the value is and not be taken my a scammer saying oh this ASM 300, yes its worth 500, but your has this tick and this tick, I will give you 100. If it is graded at a 9.4, she knows the values is $605, and she could make a better decision on what to sell it for. Also, if you have these books for the long haul, long term investment, I think it is worth it.
I’ve heard this argument quite often but I don’t totally agree. If she knows nothing about comics, having a number in the corner isn’t going to help. Any buyer who senses her ignorance is going to try to rip her off regardless.
It’s more likely that any loved one who inherits our collections is going to offload them as quickly as possible in one bulk sale. So, whatever additional value your graded books may have, won’t mean much at the end of the day.
Slabbing is purely a tool for dealers and auctions houses to make top dollar with minimum effort.
that's why you have a will/power of attorney to help with this
@@Supertomscustoms appreciate the reply. My only retort to this, is she can find on Covrprice (where I have all my books logged into) the FMV of a graded book. She is smart enough to know that is the basic price and who ever she is dealing cant use subjective reasons why it is worth 40% less. Who am I kidding, if I go first, she would love to get the 200 slabs and 15,000 loose books out of the house, first $2000 would get it.
@@Supertomscustoms Well think about it this way. if she googles "ASM 300" there will be tons of different prices at different conditions. if she types "ASM 300 cgc 9.4" its ALOT more concise.
I love the smell and feel of a raw comic. I have very few modern books slabbed, eg. UF 4, SIKTC Dekal variant, etc. for the reasons you discussed. I do routinely slab my bronze and silver keys for protection and display, however. I also enjoy buying and cleaning raw books and slabbing them for resale and some "beer money." I find the cleaning and pressing process is very relaxing for me. You do make a valid arguement with good points about the costs and potential pitfalls of grading. Also, I should note I'm older and am financially stable, kids grown up and living their own lives, and I do live just a hop, skip, and a jump from Sarasota, so my mailing costs are not huge. I don't think I'd spend much on getting books slabbed if my family was still young and debts were not paid off.
I think there is value to slabbing older grailish keys if you ever pass them on to family or pass away because buyers will know if there has been restoration or not and will help the family if they choose to sell the books.
Also signature series books make sense since you otherwise may not be able to have the artist or writer sign your book unless you sent it in for grading.
I like the look of my books in the slabs, but I also buy books and never resell them, so I don't slab for the financial boost it provides, purely for the aesthetic value the provide
All 8 of my slabbed books I bought them slabbed but I'd never send any of my raw keys to CGC, I'm not comfortable with that yet.
Same here. I'm sitting on 16 cgc, 3 cbcs, and 3 pgx, that i bought slabbed. I don't think I'll ever submit to cgc, or another certification service.
The only problem i have with grading what people choose to send in. Modern minor keys that end up selling for $20 in 9.8, or mid-geade non key silver or bronze age. Grading should ve reserved for more important or significant books. Even then, i dont send in unless im getting ready to sell.
you have to research and number crunch. the pandemic era heyday of just being able to make a profit on almost any and everything is over.
Agree on all accounts. I’d be so scared and hesitant to send things off to get graded, and like you said there is so much enjoyment and satisfaction just having the ability to open it up and look at it, even if you never actually do
I only submit to CGC for books I want signed or a book that I really really love, for which I always have a reading copy of.
I don't slab my Silver Age books, i bag and board them, then put them in Top Loaders.
Yeah, there's pros and cons.
Personally, I'll only buy a graded book (or get one graded myself) if I love the book and I have a raw copy alongside it.
Thank you for doing this video. Yeah, another thing is ALL the variants for each issue that come out now.
Just learned about this whole comic book thing a few days ago. I got all my spiderman's and superman's from the late 70's through to the eighties with a pile of star trek comics from the 60's. They all look really good as I put them in sleeves back in the late 80's. Who do I give all these too as I couldn't be bothered trying to grade them or sell them individually.
Completely new to the comic book world as an adult, but have been doing a lot of research on my family’s collection of comics and I have to say, I agree with your sentiment. I’ve been enjoying finding raw key issues and being able to flip through the pages (with the utmost care of course) and see the history of things we love. Seeing videos on YT about very old graded comics that people don’t even know the contents of is absurd. If I become insanely rich, I’m buying hella rare old slabbed comics and breaking them open IDGAF.
Strong case for the comic capsules for protection and display. Also I think submitting to CGC at cons is a much better equation.
Books were meant to be read, cars were meant to be driven, toys are meant to be played with. I collect but damn...I hate COLLECTORS.
A majority of my collection is raw because I like to read my books. The slabs I have are for display and investing purposes
I agree, I was thinking about sending a few but the cost/benefit is not there, and then when I have sent books that for sure are 9.8s in my mind they come back 9.6 for the stupidest reasons. Good video, you saved me some bucks
cgc has mitigated that to an extent by removing the pre-screen minimum. I will never send another modern book without a 9.8 prescreen. i'd rather pay the $9 reject fee than pay the grading fee only to be saddled with a modern 9.6 or lower that i cant even sell for break even.
I like Comic Skin Slabs they also make labels. So I’m not bias I have ppl I trust at a couple LCS to grade the books I’ll have a label created based on what they believe. It allows me to have a great display but I can read the books when ever I want to.
I too have been rethinking my submission process. I just sent in an already graded CGC 7.0 blue label with off-white pages of X-Men #94 that I had cracked, cleaned, pressed and then resubmitted for the Chris Claremont signing. The cleaning and pressing done on this book really made the book look way better. However, after receiving it back it dropped to a CGC 6.5 Purple Label with White Pages. Every thing about this book was different and it was very disappointing. I called CGC to ask where this color touch is, and they still haven't been able to tell me. They said once I crack the book their policy is that it isn't guaranteed anymore. I get they have to have this policy to cover themselves and sure, I can understand a grade drop and page colors maybe changin, but color touch that wasn't there before that is now. Either CGC screwed this one up when they originally graded my book, or they are misidentifying color touch that isn't even there. It pretty much is a crap shoot and what graders you end up with. I went into the process pf getting this signed by Claremont looking good on the value I had into the book, just to be in a huge hole. It really is a disappointment.
I just got a Web of Spider-Man #32, its raw but I feel is a 9.8 yet Cover price says a raw 9.6 is $40 (CP has no 9.8 listed) and a 9.8 graded is $400... how do I tell a comic shop owner I want $400 or even get it ?
If a 9.8 is worth $400 you won't get anything close to that from a comic shop whether the comic is slabbed or not. $400 is what the comic shop would resell it for, not what they'd pay for it. TBH once you factor in the cost of getting it graded and slabbed, you'll be lucky to make a $10 profit if you sell it to a comic shop. The only way you'd get close to $400 is if you sold it privately to another collector.
I feel you, I only slab books for protection that get put into fireproof storage lol. I do think if you get a good deal and you get a decent grade with CGC it does increase the value slightly. It's basically gambling tho.
love that you have re-discovered the true joy of collecting comics
SG! You are NOT wrong here! CGC intentionally moved the bar as a distraction to there mess and it has put collectors at a disadvantage regarding the 9.9’s. Plus, the adrenaline dump after receiving a slab is short-lived. Like you, I am not against buying a slab. But, the entire notion of slabbing is getting stale. However, I live in Florida and not too far from CGC so, I do save on shipping fee’s. Anyhow, I am
riding with you on this one.
PS: down sizing my collection as well. But comics still rock!
In my old age I am learning that life is short and there are more meaningful things to spend your money on. Over valued pieces of paper ain't one of them. I see collectors spending more money on books rather than making money on books. I know I have.
I wish someone would design a holder that could be manufactured relatively cheaply that protects books as well as a slab but is openable and has a 'label' slot down the spine. So looking at the book is clear, just a nice clear border displaying the book alone. But you can add a thin label down the spine with the name printed and a barcode (or anything else you want.) So they'll look nice on a bookshelf from the side as well.
Then have a piece of cataloging software. And you can add your own grade in this software. Then also let people have a 'digital signature' and the ability to add their opinion of the grade to the barcoded book (if asked by the owner.) So essentially, a community could be built around grading each other's comic books and having a digitally verified date/signature that this person says this comic was a specific grade at this time.
It basically would be a DIY/community sourced version of graded comic books. It wouldn't taint the book with the ugly labels or undesired grades but the needed info can be shown in the software. It would be well protected and displayable. Sure the grading system wouldn't be as 'fraud resistant' as something like CGC since the book won't actually be sealed in the case but it does give collectors something to show that it isn't just their opinion that the book grades high or low. These 4 other people also graded the book. And you could also see how often those 4 other people grade people's books and how strict they might be compared to others.
And if the holders are nice enough and cheap enough, people would just buy them anyway, even if they're not planning to use the software.
I’m with you Daniel, I like to read my books and to read them with my kids. Reading the original books is a better experience.
If you’re not gonna read them why buy them it just a waste of money if you’re not gonna read them
why read a hulk 181 in pretty good condition on the off chance it slips out your hand or you tear the front cover or a page or you drop it and blunt a corner potentially costing you hundreds or even thousands of dollars in resale value, when you can just buy a facsimile of that book for $10 and read that?
I remember when CGC first came out and I had my local comic shop send in 4 books for me. Yes, the wait time was rather long but I think it was better back then. Do I slab now? Absolutely not. I have a huge Batman/Tec collection with only one slab out of 3000. Only because it cost less than raw.
if you dont press and know how to grade it is pointless to send to cgc
I so agree with you on the feeling about buying Slabs .I only have 2 and it was exciting at first then …sad AMS#150-9.2 no more slabs for me a raw book is So much more better.Thanks for your post
I recently sent three comics into CGC to get graded. One I had pressed before grading. It was the only one I have problems with. The other two got 9.8 grades. The one I had pressed and graded came back a 9.6. The reason? “Finger creases top of back cover.” Doesn’t the pressing take care of finger creases? In my pre-screening, I notice a few non-color breaking finger creases on the front, none of the back.
When I inspected the comic when it came back, the finger creases on the front were gone. When I inspected the back, I once again found no finger creases. I decided to contact CGC and ask about it.
I was less than thrilled with the response. Matt M from CGC informed me that there was a color breaking finger crease (singular) on the top-right corner. He sent an enlarged photo that evidently showed this.
I looked at the enlarged photo and did not see what he was talking about. Matt M told me that I could send it back for regrading, but that “this book was reviewed by multiple graders including a head grader to come to the final grade and all of them agreed on these final grades.” The grader notes said “creases” as in plural. Matt M seemed to think there was only one crease and that it broke color. The grader notes said nothing about creases that broke color.
CGC irritated me with how they shipped the books back to me. I sent the three books together in one box. They sent each book back separately, charging $20 each time. How wasteful.
I’m not even sure how much everything cost. I know that I had $150 credit with my membership. The only charge I saw on my credit card was $10.25, so I’m assuming my first and only experience with CGC totaled $160.25. I don’t really know because there’s no place online I can check my account balance.
if thats all they charged then your numbers sound about right. they removed the pre-screen minimum, so if you think your books are 9.8 you should be using the pre-screen at that grade when submitting. They will only grade it if its a 9.8 otherwise they will send it back raw and charge you a $9 reject fee. i prefer being out nine dollars with a raw book over being out 30 or more dollars and having a 9.6 or lower graded book that i may now have a difficult time selling(assuming my goal was to sell.)
I’ve never sent a book to be graded, but I have bought a few over time. I like the idea of the book being protected, but think I prefer using the thicker top loaders for protection and display purposes.
I just just thinking about this myself when I ran into your video. Save the money on slabs, use it to get more comics :) win win! .. Also what is the ideal way now if you do not slab to keep comics safe ( bad/board and then put in Top loaders? ) I am more concerned on keeping my comics for longevity over quick buck sales.
I have been able to fund my hobby by sending books to CGC. It's not easy, and you need to be patient. You also need to be able to press and clean your own books to be successful. Things I do to maximize my time and profit are:
1. Keep submissions to 25 or as close to 25 as possible. Shipping is the same for 5 books or 25
2. Press and Clean your books. I work from home; cleaning a book and placing it into the press is super easy. I do this while doing other tasks.
3. Make sure what you are buying has a profit potential. This is the hardest part. It's easy to feel like you need to be sending things. I go months without sending anything sometimes. Other times I get lucky and I find a bunch of great stuff.
4. Avoid books with huge drops from 9.8 to 9.6 unless you are 100% certain it will get a 9.8
5. Prescreens are not always your friend. From experience, they tend to be a lot harsher, especially on older modern books.
6. Avoid sending books from different modern eras. For example, if you are sending things from 1990, don't send in things from the 2000's. It's natural for graders to be more harsh after seeing a perfect book that is only a few years old versus one that's almost 40.
7. Don't forget about selling fees, especially on eBay
My style is simple; there are things I collect to keep and things I want to sell to keep funding this hobby.
I have zero interest in getting my books Graded. I honestly think it's only worth it to put into a protective case. The grading...they can keep. Plus they rough up your books...I don't know these people. Sell the cases to us...let us do our own thing. Their judgement sucks too.
You’re 100 right. I’d even argue that raw books often get sold for more. A 9.0 X-Men 130 per example, first Hellfire. Sells for peanuts, slabbed. Raw, people will think a press could make it a 9.6.
thats why number crunching is essential. you have to know going in what your expectations are.
“I thought I was going to be rich but got played!”
I’m only sending modern key books (Spawn) at this time to CBCS. Not renewing my CGC membership this year.
I am fortunate enough to have bought most of my silver and bronze off the shelf so slabbing is a good way to sell online for me
I bought slabbed books but it lost its luster after a bit. Totally agree. I will say this, once we get rid of slabs for modern books, we should start analyzing what a “key issue” actually is. I believe slab I g also ruined what we consider a key issue.
Of course grading doesn't increase their value. If you give anything over to grading its done by nearly always incompetent people that have opinions about things, just like auctioneers at auction houses. They arent experts that are accredited and as a whole they make more mistakes than the average joe or jane looking to add something to their collection. even if they are accredited, anyone can buy or make it themselves a fake certificate. It doesn't matter if its coins, comic books, stamps, antiques, antique books, antique cars and so on, they always miss the mark. I also have heard that there were coin graders that faked coins that were sent in to them and put the fake ones in the grading case while keeping the genuine one. Ditto with comic book graders ( not creating a fake comic but switching it out with one of theirs that is less quality).
If you grade anything the seller will go " this is worth so much" and then the potential buyer will go " the grading is done wrong because of this that and the other and i can see there are smudges or what have you on it so...". Boom instant friction. You want to sell something, they want to buy something and its better to compromise a bit so everyone is happy. Of course you always have those bozos that want gold coins that are worth 5000$ + and buy them from you for 2$ or even 100$... ditto with comic books. with those types i have no patience. Usually i say something like " you know the value of this, i know the value of this and i am prepared to negotiate but lets be honest here. if you cant be like that, there is the door".
I’ll buy graded for online purchases but I’ll only submit my biggest raw keys going forward (not for resale value - for keeping long term). I’m a comic buyer, not a comic seller so the “grade it for increased value” idea makes little sense to me and always has.
I'm looking forward to your next video entitled... "Just when i thought I was out, they pulled me back in!"
I just sent 1 comic (TMNT #1 - 3rd print) and it cost too much!!! I only want a certain few books slabbed that I am not doing to make money but to preserve a comic I am not going to read. I have about 3000 comics and only 7 slabs, all sent myself I have never bought a slab. They all had sentimental value to me. those are really the only ones I want as a slab. I was planning on sending 4 more (TMNT #2,3,4 and Last Ronin #1) most likely and that would be it for me. I agree it is stressful to send them, and not about the money for me.
You're wrong if you think grading doesn't increase the value. For major sellers, maybe not. They price their raw books at graded prices. As a collector and seller myself, grading provides a security blanket. I feel more confident buying graded books online, and graded books sell faster online. That being said, any raw books I buy and plan on holding onto aren't getting graded
I bought slabs only because presentation wise i liked how they looked. Now we have a lot more better looking protective cases and frames. The need to slab is going away..
I am done also, after sending about 50. Just a learning experience. I'm worried that I will not be able to sell all the books I graded.
Been collecting off and on since around 1987 pretty good at looking at a book and figuring out what its grade is but for me it's not about how much its worth once I have a comic in my possession it stays with me forever I am what some might call a comic hoarder it takes me time to build up a certain collection and to sell it off just defeats the purpose of me collecting them. I do own a few CGC graded comic books, but I bought them online only because I loved the art on the book, and I had one raw I could read anyway so I got them to display. In my opinion buying a graded book is for art it looks nice and can present well when displayed properly. I will always prefer raw over graded any day of the week. I keep my raw books in a plastic comic container boarded and bagged in my closet and every so often I will crack it open and look through them some of my comic books bring back memories of how I got them and who I was with at the time.
The only book you showed that I would even consider grading is the signed Swamp Thing by the late, great Bernie Wrightson. But I would probably be a little afraid of CGC losing or damaging it to be honest. I’m with you Sticky Goose, my collection is kept in mylar sleeves and it’s nice to take them out and look at them every now and then. You completely lose the experience once you slab the book.
I am in a bunker, reading my comics, waiting for the apocalypse.
Every day is an apocalypse. Kept the book raw, but slabbed the collector ?
I bought a Zelda no price variant $250 sent to my presser then to CGC my costs where total $325 into that book tops. Came back a 9.8 sold it for $2k as I needed the funds for other stuff
it can work, you have to do it right. it requires time and research and probably a few aches and pains along the way, but there is a road to profit.
Man, it bums me out to hear your despair with where you are right now with your collecting. I've really loved your enthusiasm since I started following. Not saying you're being a killjoy or a buzzkill, it just makes me sad for you. I've shared some of the same laments, I know it's gonna be BRUTAL when it comes time to sell (if that happens before I die, which it probably will). Sounds like you're turning the corner and starting to reconnect with fun.
On to the topic...you made many good points, and I would add that it depends. I will preface ALL the following by saying I'm a collector, NOT a flipper. But I do have an eye toward being prudent, and considering the day when I will eventually part ways with my collection.
My two cents *IF* you are considering the monetary aspect, ROI raw vs. graded, etc. Be VERY judicious and selective. ANALYZE. Number crunch. I was there for a while myself, about 10 years ago, slabbing hither and yon. I pulled back about 6 years ago. Now I always crunch the numbers -- and ensure significant margin -- to make sure the current GPA valuation is at least $100 above my TOTAL cost (cost of comic, insured shipping, grading, possible pressing, and return shipping). And fortunately, I didn't slab ANYTHING from 2020-2023. (It wasn't because I was smart, it was by sheer coincidence--I just took a break from the hobby when it was running wild. I didn't even know about the boom until late 2022.) I created spreadsheets and analytic aids to help me decide what to submit. If the money matters, only slab slam-dunks, that you don't mind never opening again, that you think present awesomely that way. And after all that considered in, I have maybe 3-4 comics left that are high-confidence "winners" valuation-wise based on the above calculation concept. Most of the books you showed are great, and some may be a little more liquid if slabbed, but I wouldn't slab any of those either...really, one should only submit vintage (pre'75) books if they're worth AT LEAST $300 raw in grade (again based purely on the financial...maybe you just want it authenticated or in a slab for its own sake). And base that calculation a grade notch or two below what your heart wants it to be...be conservative with projected grade for the number crunch. And as far as that fleeting dopamine hit, that's why I rotate my slabs out of the boxes and display a few different ones every week or two so I can glean more appreciation from them.
I've been collecting since the mid-70's, and I've seen how the 90's until now have done harm to the industry. The gimmicks of embossed, hologram, multi variant covers, over-printing, signatures, and slabbing have in my opinion hurt what comic collecting is about. I wouldn't slab anything post 60's. It would need to be something very special. I've never slabbed any of my books, the slabs (70's on), the ones I have were from auctions, and they were purchased at or below the raw value. I have two books I'm thinking of getting slabbed are Action Comics 83, and Detective comics 106. Not an everyday occurrence that you come across when collecting.
I have a Deadpool collection if i spend from cover price to 50.00 its bag and board, if i spend 50.00 to 100.00 its goes hard shell protection case and anything other 100.00 or plus mostly like slab because of the value or rarity
There’s always been a rule with Graded comic books and unless the comic book costs $150 or more raw you don’t send it in to get graded. People need to stop sending comic books that aren’t worth getting graded into get graded. Nobody wants filler books that are graded. The key issues will always sell graded maybe not for the price you want for it, but it will sell. We’re in a bad economic time right now. People don’t have extra money to be spending eventually the market will go back up.
I buy comics to read and for myself, not for the value of them. The ones I collect are actually modern. They wouldn’t be worth much. But to me they’re priceless. It’s always a better experience to get joy from looking at the books and being able to admire them out of a hunk of hard plastic in my opinion.
Best troll 🧌 in comics. Keep them coming sticky!!! Never stop making these videos. 😂😂😂
Albedo 2 is in the house and it will remain slabbed. Same for the Peach Momoko stuff that’s only a cool cover anyways. But the shipping fees are whack, as is waiting around for fed ex!
Buying raw books, there have been many times when I’ve been surprised after opening it. Sometimes it’s better graded so you know what you’re getting
I don’t like slapping my stuff because I go to cons all the time and I might find an artist or writer that I would like to sign it. There’s just a finality to it when it slabbed.
Good for you man. Was at a local shop and they had 9.8s for $20. They were not keys but dang $20. I don't even think your breaking even
during pandemic things got out of control. There's so many books that have absolutely no business ever being slabbed.