In A Mirror Darkly - Avenger's Last Stand
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- By this time in the Star Trek: Enterprise Episode, 'In a Mirror Darkly', Archer was bent on taking over Earth, Starfleet, and anything else that he came across. The Vulcans enlisted Dr. Phlox to help them in their quest to stop Archer by having Phlox take the main power grid offline, therefore giving Avenger the upper edge. They weren't counting on Defiant's Power being restored. More showcasing of the awesome CGI technology used in making the old Kirk Era ship kick some real butt.
As a viewer pointed out in my other 'In a Mirror Darkly' segment, The USS Defiant was last seen in
an original series episode called, 'The Tholian Web'.
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That bit at 2:44 where you can see Archer rocking back and forth in the command chair like a spoilt child who hasn't gotten his own way... I have to credit it, that was some actual decent acting.
Scott Bakula's a decent actor who was saddled with an awful role as Archer.
Maupin001 Archer is a good character, I never understood the hate for Enterprise.
@@TheEmeraldMenOfficial STE was in a bad position to begin with, but then they made some bad decisions with it. The acting all around was pretty good, aside from a handful of glaring moments. The transporter malfunction episode for instance.
Barro the Broadcaster I still don’t understand the hate for it. Then again, I watched Quantum Leap first, so I had an idea what Scott was like. Besides, I think it was an interesting concept.
The show was cancelled just as it was getting good so we only got 4 seasons instead of 7.
Something perversely fun about seeing a 1960's TOS ship just totally dominate any ship in a 2000's era tv series.
well, the NX were experimental prototypes while the Constitution was designed as a better model.
Not to mention the Constitution Class was the combination of over a dozen different races and their technology while the NX was reverse engineer of stolen Vulcan technology and that is it. The Terran Empire was losing after all until they got their hands on such ships.
That's why despite having the TOS technology for a long time BEFORE the TOS era in the prime timeline, they never developed anything more advanced, they only seem to bother to reverse engineer or steal technology and not "really" develop it as much.
Terrans don't advance as fast as the Federation would because as you said, they don't work together.
its also at least 100 years more advanced.
No more than a galaxy would do to a Conny'
I love how Archer is sitting in the Captain's chair, hands balled up on his head, rocking back and forth like a kid throwing a temper-tantrum right before the systems come back online, then he snaps out of it. I almost thought he would be crying! LOL! Then he goes right back to cockiness and "blow them up."
This two part episode was probably the best of the series!
I agree. By the way, this 2 Part Episode wasn't really about the Dark Mirror Universe. It was really about America becoming an Evil Imperialistic Power in the Bush Era in the 2000's.
(Actually that happened even sooner than Bush Jr. and unfortunately it continues to this Day in America with just Different Actors.
@@HoldenNY22 Ya Evil Empire under Biden using the legal system to go after political opponents!
there's nothing better than a little mirror universe T'Pol and Hoshi to brighten up the day. Best star trek uniforms ever!
actually there is a series in the mirror universe
I don't know what is more sexy. The Defiant or that Orion on the Avanger bridge.
+1300l Clearly you mean mirror T'Pol
Evil hoshi!
I completely agree
You know when you're in the mirror universe when you see a Vulcan with a goatee.
I think the way Soval screams just before Defiant destroy's them is just cool.
It's odd how despite everything I found myself rooting for Archer and the Imperials in this. Hell I nearly cheered when Trip started putting the conduits back in place.
You might like Warhammer 40,000.
Not me. I was rooting for Rebels. By the way, this 2 Part Episode wasn't really about the Dark Mirror Universe. It was really about America becoming an Evil Imperialistic Power in the Bush Era in the 2000's.
(Actually that happened even sooner than Bush Jr. and unfortunately it continues to this Day in America with just Different Actors.
@HoldenNY22 the Empire is dominated by humans, the rebels are aliens. Rooting against your race is a bit odd, my dude.
Also, the USA has been imperialistic since WW2, but that's really not shown here. No idea where you got that idea from.
Hail the Empire!
"Target theyr Reactor"
Hits everything but the reactor
well he blew her into pieces plain and simple so does it really matter I am surprised the warp core didn't go from all those hits and damage I mean the ship got ripped apart🤣🤣🤣
"Target their primary hull"
No silly, you target their weapons, then once they have none they cannot target you.
Why wait for the weapons modules to be taken offline when you can just watch the whole thing go boom all at once? >:3
I'd focus their power plant tbh.
The weapons are on the Primary Hull.
@@UGNAvalon Becuase your only weapon is a barely functional ship a hundred years less advanced than the ship you're attacking?
The phaser banks and the bridge are on the primary hull!
There was another problem with Archer blowing up Avenger, there were still humans on board trying to retake the ship, only 3 aliens mutinied. Archer just blew everyone up, bad idea considering the Defiant itself is undermanned as it is. Then again, he's a nut in this universe
I think earlier in this episode he ordered all the non terrans except phlox to be put on the Avenger and all the terrans on the defiant.
Likley to try and avoid what the non Terrans just attempted.
“In a Mirror Darkly” proved that old designs and modern FX make for a suitable TV experience, at least in short bursts. STD’s producers would have done well to remember that before they got started.
That's all it would have taken. Instead we get the skip skiddly boom drive and a ship far different from the era it was supposed to look like. Pike's enterprise was more of an homage to the original Trek. Don't get me wrong - the season of Pike was the best for Discovery
you assume they wanted to make a Trek show with STD...
"Get out of their weapons range", The Defiant is much faster than you.
"Divert all power to hull plating" Not going to help you.
Honestly the only thing they could of done in that situation is ram the Avenger into the Defiant.
Teleport a torpedo into the Defiant's engineering. They had no power for like ten minutes.
iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg or that yeah lol.
Somehow Star Trek never deals with the amazing weaponized powers of the transporter except for the generation ship episode and an episode of Voyager.
iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg Probably because it's alot easier to just keep shooting the enemy ship with phasers than it is to identify the emery ships shield frequency and then beam a torpedo through it.
True. But they got desory anyway
amazing that this has survived on TH-cam for 13 years without being taken down for copyright
As I remember, that was a rough day. We got blowed up real good!
it was really cool to see the original constitution class kicking ass
Agreed! Constitution class unleashed!
I imagine mirror Phlox didn't survive long after that!
Funny, when we see the Defiant in orbit of Earth the saucer section shows no damage whatsoever.
They wrote out a sequel story to this as part of a book called "Glass Empires." It also has a follow up to the original mirror episode and what mirror Picard was up to in his day
They must have repaired the hull between the battle and arriving at Earth.
I can't believe this will soon be 10 years ago on the 29th April 2015.
No ship can ever truly beat the original Constitution Class Starships.
*cough* Galaxy Class
The Bush Wolf hahaha I died laughing at your simple yet accurate comment
@@thebushwolf710 Yeah, Galaxy class is cool too. But I still prefer the classic TOS Constitution class ships like the Enterprise 1701 and the Defiant.
The real Defiant Sisko's ship and the Sovereign class could since they are both dedicated warships.
@@AndrewChapman I wonder what the TOS version of a Excelsior class starship would look like... even though there was no Excelsior class in TOS (obviously) it is still nice to imagine what the beautiful ship would look like in the tv show.
I would have loved to have seen Kirk's Enterprise show up through some spacial anomaly. It would have been fun to see the Enterprise and the Defiant slug it out.
Kirk would win since he would know how the ship works.
Kirk would have used the Defiant's prefix code and disabled it like he did to the Reliant in Wrath Of Khan .
@@andysahs1599 Probably depend which point Kirk had arrived from. I'm not so sure that they' have those codes just available to anyone, but in WoK he was an Admiral and woul have had higher security clearance than a Captain.
Regardless, Enterprise would win purely because Kirk would pull something out his ass and overcharge the phaser emitters by modifying them with chewing gum and paperclips or something.
@@233Deadman Either that or the fact that Kirk's Enterprise is fully crewed with people that know every aspect of the ship they are on. While Defiant was a ship manned by the Terran Empire crew who might not be fully aware of the capabilities of a Connie.
I agree. It would be an interesting fight but Enterprise under Kirk would win.
Besides being understaffed and inexperienced with a constitution class, Evil Archer seems too prone to temper tantrums and would have him going off the deep end, going up against a cool and calculating Kirk.
As a TOS fan This was the best episode in the Entire series. To classics Constitution and NX battling, no crummy Galaxy class lemons involved. home to me is a Constitution and will always be a \Constitution
I think the logic behind this is that the firepower of Phasers / phase cannons deminishes in square with the distance. Just as the intensity of a light beam sent off by a lamp. Doubling the distance will reduce the phaser's effectiveness to 1/4 th. Hence firing them at point blank range makes sence, as they will do much more damage then.
"DESTROY. THEM!"
Hahaha, this Episode is ace.
Robert April was the first captain of the Constitution-class Enterprise, and as for the set design, don't forget that TOS was on a very low budget. At least it's being remastered so it'll be far less apparent
"AHH! devert all power to hull plating!! Turn on the Air bags! Prepare the spare tires!"
Hoshi was frickin awesome in this episode. I wish she was more like this in the real universe (well, maybe not such a bitch but more sure of herself!).
In the Enterprise time period most earth ships didn't have shield. In most of the fight scenes you often hear Reed say "Hull Plating polarized". That's probably what Soval was referring to.
You don't leave out TOS. It's what started it all. It must always be respected and revered.
They are. But Berman and Braga were never known for doing their homework very well.
Their attitude was "Just put the STAR TREK label on it and fans will accept it without question like good little consumers"
@Jonathan Eardley, I think the point for the aliens was to CAPTURE the Defiant,not destroy it. The alien rebels could have used the power of the Defiant to attack the Empire and drive them off of their homeworlds. Attacking the primary hull gave them a better chance of killing off Archer and most of his crew while leaving the ship substantially intact.
The aliens were winning the war before the Defiant came around and gave the Terran Empire the kick up the ass it needed technology wise, while it would have been a boon, personally I think it would have been too dangerous to keep around.
Agreed! Everyone wanted that ship intact. No one in that century wanted it destroyed. (Only as an absolute last resort.)
That is one hot green chick @1:50
3:39 too much war porn for Archer.
Mirror Archer gets off on destroying starships. :-p
Well... they're an exception. But in the end, they always lose. Always.
Moving foward: an interesting thought: if Mirror Archer already did a shitton of damage with the Constitution-class Defiant, imagine what Mirror Archer would do with the DEFIANT-class Defiant...
WELL THEY MAKE A GOOD FIGHT AGAINST A VOR'CHA CLASS
For some reason, I think that green TOS uniform actually looks better on Mirror Archer than it does on Captain Kirk.
I love 2:16 when Capt. Archer pushes the other guy off his chair. LOL
Possibly. Couldnt have hurt any at the very least.
But the HUGE problem with the Mirror Universe is ever since DS9, it became a RESET button to kill regular cast member and bring back dead ones with no impact to the show. Enterprise and Voyager got real bad with reset buttons.
thats a very good point. That would also explain how come the ship can get hit by multiple torpedoes and only one section of the hull get damaged and the whole ship not shake apart.
"Target there primary hull" Orion female: "sir?! why not shoot at the bridge it will take less than 5 seconds!"
PROBABLY THEY WANTED 2 TAKE OVER THE DEFIANT AND GIVE THEM 2 THE REBELS
Is it me, or is the duotronic module a piece of metallic mesh/grating?
Bring back TNG...please.
What disturbs me about the closing scene is the use of the aft phaser bank instead of the three on the topside surface of the primary hull.
I think the battle bridge only existed in TNG.
Engineering does function as an alternative control center though, you're right there. Still, Archer and Co. would have been killed had they blown up the bridge, which might have ended the battle.
However the smartest thing may have been to target the warp core.
Wow, watchable "Enterprise" footage. Almost makes you wonder if Paramount should just bite the bullet and do an entire new series set in the "original series" era entirely.
now you had the right idea 15 years ago. incredible.
Nah, current day producers would only screw it up. Better to leave it alone as it is.
Welp. Snw proved you right
While I am okay with the updated mid-23rd aesthetic that we have in SNW, I love this episode because it shows just what a Conny-class in TOS configuration can do in combat.
That cut off clip just makes it seem like the whole thing was a wet dream that Archer had lol.
LMAO 😂
HE SCARED THE STARS AWAY!!!
There is only one explanation.
Captain Archer is...
Chuck Norris.
While I never got into Star Trek Enterprise, I'm looking forward to tonight's showing of this episode on Sci-Fi. This one looks good.
It would have been much different if Avenger attacked the secondary hull, result, severe damage or destruction, it sadly shows Seval's lack of experience.
Even better? Attacking the neck of the ship that connects the two hulls, like in "Wrath of Khan".
Note the total lack of damage the Avenger did to the hull. They could have shot them *anywhere* and it would have done nothing.
@@Idazmi7 like trying to shoot a modern tank with a parrot rifle.
@@SgtSplatter782
Pretty much.
They probably wanted the ship as much as Archer.
He just wanted it disabled for capture.
the best Enterprise episode. Two classics Constitution and NX dooking it out. Hell of a lot better than those fragile Galaxys.
That was a cool little detail, I never noticed that the avenger drifts laterally slightly as it begins to fire
brilliant episode
when the vulcans landed humanity was at war. so cochren, for some reason, shot the vulcans, and his faction salvaged the technology in order to win the war, then he propagated that the vulcans planned to invade earth and consequently led a conquest on vulcan territory using the vulcan ship and a fleet of modified earth ships. once the vulcans where enslaved, and there technology taken a galactic conquest was started and the terran empire went the way of the borg and 'assimilated' all technology
I love that episode, I was behind Archer the whole battle!
The episode was a fun watch simply because it was a Mirror Universe "pre-quel"...so that in itself meant anything could happen. So for viewers it really riveted your attention and kept you watching from the teaser to the end, and was far less predictable than a typical Enterprise episode.
3:39 "Khan-style" Evil-gasm
I loved this episode, I saw it a million times (a figure of speech), and I never once cared about the destruction of the Avenger and everyone in it, saw it as just another action scene showing us how the mirror universe works. Now that I see just the battle scene, I actually feel sorry for the whole crew of the Avenger. I don't know what is different about seeing the whole episode and just the battle, but I actually feel sorry for them!
it the orion girl shes messin up ye head again
i think it was just to show hwo much more powerful the Connie was compared to everything else at the time.
Like TNG and DP9, Enterprise took a couple of crappy seasons to 'find itself' and achieve good quality. Pity it was canceled just then.
i've never seen this episode yet I am just now starting to like the Enetrpise cant wait to see it every week I know better than late than never...
Sure takes a lot of future strength photons torpedoes and phaser hits to destroy the Avenger ...
it has upgraded because its in the teran empire alternate time line where vulcans where enslaved on first contact and there technology taken, greatly increasing technological advancement, also the teran empire operate like the borg and 'assimilate' technology and races for there own needs.
See the thing this way: There's the hull plating... and in the "later" ST series, there is the shield... when they redirect power to the hull plating, they're really repowering a sort of shield those hulls have... not the physical hull itself...
Ok...
So Archer goes from shoving someone out of a chair to save the ship...
To rocking back and forth in a chair with his hands over his face at 2:45 like a scared 6-year old....
Then right back to macho captain a few seconds later with no transition...
Long live the rebellion! Down with the terran empire. God is with you!!
Good ears. ;-)
When I heard it I was thinking: "What the frak? Power to hull plating? I thought h.p. is something physical. Looks like Soval forgot it in the heat of battle."
@strikemode14 In a way, it's refreshing to see a a Star Trek gal in a non-catsuit military uniform for once in Star Trek.
Very cool, except those aren't photon torpedoes the Defiant is firing, they're proximity phaser blasts. Photon torpedoes appeared red when fired from a Constitution Class Starship.
Haha agreed. They did get something right with Archer though - Porthos, I thought his character was awesome.
it explaines how the empire took over with a ship a 100 years more advanced it could lay waste to fleets
@ElderScribe yes, they had impulse phasers that can do much more damage
Lol @ the last part of the clip.
Remind why they sent Phlox of all mirror universe people to do that again?
Hilariously edited to show Archer plop down on his bed totally “satisfied” at the very end 😂🤣
3:00 "Destroy them" 😲
Haha, I have the utmost respect for you and your thinking instantly. I am a changed man. Thankyou.
Mind you, Picard > Archer.
why were the vulcans in this series so emotional? having sex outside of pon far, screaming and yelling, feeling pain.
Heed My Warning because this takes place in a mirror universe. I assume that Terran influence has corrupted or usurped Sareks teachings
Indeed. Vulcan logic and culture was seen as inferior and unpatriotic
The Vulcans who fit in the best moved up in that universe - its only logical
Heed My Warning Vulcans still *have* emotions. They just suppress them. Romulans are proof of that.
A futile endeavor
Even then the series established that the Vulcans had fallen from Surak's true teachings which was one of the best built up arcs of the show. The series establishes their rediscovery and restoration.
As for this particular episode though, it's the Mirror Universe. The Vulcans are a conquered people and the episode shows that Vulcan culture was practically banned by the Terrans in order to keep them subjugated.
Yeah it IS a bit convoluted. But at least we get to see that despite what many ENT fans like to trumpet, is that TOS sets, costumes AND ships CAN look good even with todays filmmaking technology.
You have to admit the Defiant swooping in and kicking ass looked good.
When will these captains learn that all they have to do is target the bridge when the sheilds are down?
Thats the point of the Mirror universe, star fleet is opposite to the star fleet in 'our' universe. The purpose pf parallels is to offer alternative futures to us. Its up to us which path we take.
Soval should have target near the neck of the ship.
Nice. I should have watched that show.
That's how Orion women are.
Yes, but a torpedo can be intercepted. When firing them from great distances, there's enough time to lock on phasers onto them.
This tied two timelines together and could have easily created its own series. Absolutely brilliant and intriguing.
Was the TOS set that used for the TOS Defiant recycled from the TNG ep, Relics, and the DS9 ep, Trials and Tribble-ations?
+Urvy1A No, the set from Relics was actually donated from a fan who had created their own version of the bridge. The bridge seen here was made possible by doing a two-part episode, which could be advertised and have money raised to build it.
It's actually not even that - the TOS bridge set from Relics was the wedge of the bridge between the captain's chair and Scotty's station, the rest was reconstructed from TOS footage.
@amiarage and she did become emperres. her name ruled until Hoshi sato III
Well that episode was left for the viewers to decide if it was real or just a story. Further more the events in that episode were not known to human history so even if it was real no humans would have known.
Why wouldn't the Avenger have gone for their warp engines? Something to actually disable them? Or destroyed the bridge? They don't have much of a crew and might not even know where auxiliary control is.
Notice how their weapons literally didn't scratch the paint? It doesn't matter where they shoot.
So does it? If I remember correctly it was Chekov firing the phasers from the Enterprise's bridge. Only one person. They never mentioned other gunners or secondary gun control rooms on the comparatively tiny Constitution class ship.
Even if, Archer, Trip and his command crew would have been killed in destroying the bridge. I doubt they would have fought on.
just think if your house was being attacked from the back garden the front of your house is still going to be effected.
Yeah. I mean DMAN, even that dumb twat Janeway never rocked back and forth like that. I think Bakula was trying to aim for mentally disturbed. The bits where regular Archer shows up to "Encourage" Mirror Archer are amusing.
Here after the Defiant was mentioned in discovery!
module? what module, he just took the grate off.
3:22--"Photon torpedoes...lock onto their reactor..."
I think the rest of the order would have been something like this: "...FINISH THEM."
Why didn't t'pol recruit tucker to join her side he has more knowledge of engineering than phlox.
simple. The Defiant is 100 years advanced.
Amen to that.
this is the mirror universe, this has nothing to do with the standard one, future guy only refered to archer in their universe, not the mirror universe
a connie makes quick work of an nx class
Discovery: Its the 2010's you can't possibly expect a show from the 2010's to use the visual style of a show from the 1960!
Enterprise: I know its the 2000's but star trek is very important to our culture and has had an incalculable impact on peoples lives, so we will respect the visual style of a show from the 1960's.
Exactly.
And they were WRONG on that!
The people who are running the shows now are ignorant and have no respect for the past. They don't know Star Trek as many of us old timers do. In fact, they spit in our faces because they think they can do better.
But yet, people who know can't help but feel this was where peak Trek was at. "New Trek" has yet to attain the greatness of episodes like these.
Yeah but it looked pretty decent no? The ship looked great with relatively modern cgi and the bridge itself was cleaned and tidied up. It didn't look silly and 60's ish at all.
Sounds like Discovery did to Star Trek what Amazon is trying to do to the Middle Earth universe.
@@Ambarenya13 strange new worlds is expecting to achieve that
why they changed the uniforms, that seemed to be unnecessary step
Damn that was totally one-sided .