Christian, You Are Free Not to Vote
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- The right to vote in America is not a binding duty (without regard to other factors) for Christians in every election.
“The children are free.” We are free from human institutions. As citizens of heaven, we are not bound in every situation to participate in the processes of human government. This is not our homeland. We vote - if we vote - because the Lord of our homeland commissions us to vote. And he does not absolutize this act above all other considerations of Christian witness.
In this election, with the flagrant wickedness of both party candidates, the logic that moves from “Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution” (1 Peter 2:13) to the necessity - the binding duty - of voting, has lost sight of three things:
the radical meaning of the words, “for the Lord’s sake,” and how it relativizes all human authority and how it brings to bear many other considerations;
the radical freedom of the children of God from the inherent authority of human institutions like government; and
the aim of every citizen of heaven in all human engagements to display our allegiance to the values of another world.
I am not saying we are bound not to vote. I am saying that the children of God are free to hear the voice of their Master about how to best witness to his supremacy. I will vote. But I have no intention of voting for either of these presidential candidates.
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Kinda stumped by some of these comments. Christians are free not to vote and there is no denying that biblically. But if you feel compelled to vote, which probably most will, then vote. Some of you need to read up on what the Bible says about obeying your conscience and not imposing it on others when it comes to matters the Bible doesn't address specifically.
I sort of agree but, voting doesn't help if all the candidates are chosen by elites and don't care about our best interests. It also doesn't help if all the candidates are evil. I voted once because I believed it may help a few People, and I thought it may have more impact since I did so locally. However, there I believe these decisions are largely predetermined. The average man cannot run for president or governor and never will be able to.
This world is flawed and so are it's nations. We don't have a civic duty as Christians but, I do believe that we can still make life on Earth better for some people while following our father in heaven. The real question is if voting is the way to do this, I would say that 90%+ of the time it isn't if not 100%. Maybe we can improve these systems but, they will never be just and will always wind up getting worse.
You aren't wrong. Although nothing is said about voting in the bible, God did say that he is against abortion.
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." - Psalm 139:13-16
God is also very clear about His stance on Israel.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.” - Numbers 24:9
Thus, looking at the POTUS candidates, both may be unworthy on many many levels. But one candidate is honouring God in regard to the two issues mentioned above. God did not ask us to obey our own conscience, He asked us to obey Him/His word. God also asked us to not be afraid to speak His truth.
Much love.
@@charlotter5656 Yes, Charlotte. We are their voice! We are also the voice of the disabled. Thank you for your loving and truthful comment.
I never voted and never will vote.
@@billclark5055 I agree with you 100%. You see the truth of the lie that voting will change anything!
"everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial..............."
-paul
Agreed! You don't have to vote for Trump or Biden. Our duty as a christian is simply to pray for our nation and for whoever is elected to rule righteously.
No. We have a voice as a citizen. It's called voting. If we don't vote for life, who will stand for the unborn? Esther didn't have to go to the King. She obeyed God and thank God she did! She put her life on the line.
@@SunnyBlueSky149 standing for the unborn is not our responsibility and it’s none of our business weather its a grave sin whether it’s murder or not.
@@SunnyBlueSky149a Christian will not indulge in worldy behaviours. He shall only worship and be on the Side of lord Jesus Christ. If you vote, you're going to hell.
I disagree…. If both rulers are evil, you vote on the lesser evil……☝🏾 But you vote
Amen
"Our vow to the allegiance to the values of another world", I like that.
My allegiance is to God, Jesus Christ, and the Word of God. I believe God's will is revealed in the Bible. The Bible teaches me that God is a Father who defends the fatherless and avenges innocent blood. It also teaches me that my responsibility is to do things that are in agreement with what my Heavenly Father is doing. If I refuse to vote for a pro-life platform, then I am refusing to defend the fatherless and the innocent blood being shed. Trump is not Jesus. I'm not voting for Trump as the leader of the church. No. I voting for him as the representative of a political platform, which is in alignment with my Christian values, which themselves come from the Bible. I am not responsible for Trump's personal life. He is. I am, however, responsible to act on my faith. I vote because I don't want to be passive in the struggle against darkness, against the murder of innocent babies, against a platform that is diametrically opposed to the convictions of my Christian faith.
I have great respect for Pastor John Piper, but unfortunately I disagree with this teaching. Especially at such a critical time in our nation. Render to Caesar what is Caesar's. Taxes, civic duties, obedience to the laws of the land, and, as a member of a society whose government functions by way of elected officials, VOTE! Pray first, educate yourself, pray again, refuse to stick your head in the sand and hope it will all go away sooner rather than later, and then go VOTE! Vote for the most biblical platform, not the personality in the person who is representing that platform. God bless you all, and God Bless America! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Evangelical Religious jargon!
Ok. But we live in this world and under the laws made by the people we vote for, whether they are just or unjust. The community will be held responsible for murderers who go unpunished.
I voted and also a citizen of heaven. I care about the land I currently live on in which the Lord God has blessed me with. God is supreme, unfortunately his kingdom has not come down in the new Jerusalem yet so I want to do my part in securing the current government until then. I will not go against my fathers kingdom, but will pick one that may honor him during thier current time of office.
Very well said!!
Which one honors Him? How so?
I'm not from the US, may God bless my American brethren with discernment, wisdom and self-discipline this election.
we have elections in canada to
Amen!!!! I'm not voting for president this year. As much as I can't stand Hillary, I can't, in good conscience, vote for a man like trump.
Yeah, lets get liberal SCOTUS and help Hillary win. Which means almost full term abortion! You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
I get your point but the problem is I don't trust trump. The man was prochoice until he decided to run for president. I understand that people can change their thinking, however, this just looks like Trump telling his voters what they want to hear. Another thing is, I live in an extremely liberal state that would never vote Republican so my vote doesn't count anyways.
So? What's the alternative? A psychopath woman who has admitted to supporting almost full term abortion? Trump is far from perfect, but he vows to protect the constitution and IS pro life.
Like I told you, I live in a Blue state that always votes Democratic by a landslide. My vote doesn't count anyways. Had I lived in a swing state maybe I would vote trump while trying not to puke. But because i don't, I prefer not to involve myself with this disgusting presidential election. This whole election just makes me sick to my stomach.
To NOT vote, is to vote YES for whom ever wins.
It strikes me as odd how many who prophecy that God is using trump as his tool. I've prayed and meditated on this yet I am not hearing what others are. What I continuously revive is trust no man and keep my eyes and heart on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You’re hearing correctly. Glad to hear someone else hearing this.
My brothers and sisters in Christ.. do you remember Daniel chapter 3..whats did our brothers do when they did not agree with the Governing body of/at the time?-Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego-who pay no attention to you, Your Majesty. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”(and they also responded)16 Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to him, “King Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. 17 If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to deliver us from it, and he will deliver us[c] from Your Majesty’s hand. 18 But even if he does not, we want you to know, Your Majesty, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up.”) .................... In John 18;36 Jesus answered, "My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world." ....Remember brethren the Government is not our SAVOIR
The Parallels between Daniel 3 and the way certain NFL Players have been treated is uncanny.
I am writing from Colombia South America and recently we went through an election to choose between approving the peace agreements between the goverment and the guerrillas, sadly we as God's people showed the world a bad testimony by being ungraceful and judgemental with one another, some sectors in the church wanted to approve the peace treatise and some others didn't want to, we have had this war for 52 years so trust me that election was very important, but the thing is nothing justifies being ungraceful and offensive to our brothers and sisters the church in my country is beggining to repent of it's divission over political issues, I urge you brothers and sisters, rest in God's control, do as you choose but please be graceful to those who disagree with you.
Good point Carlos! Thank you for that word.
Carlos Aguilera How much more Grace?!
The black Christian community voted for barack hussein osama BECAUSE he's black.
What did we do?
We endured 8yrs of the worst policies shoved down the throat of the people, especially Christians!
We were graceful...
And then the Lord God had mercy on us and He gave US another chance with our beloved POTUS45.
Listen to him directly. Don't listen to CNN or any of the other crooks in the media.
#GodBlessTheUSA
@@smokey347 Would you mind elaborating on why you referred to President Trump as beloved?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” *Pick the lesser of the two evils.* Consider Supreme Court Justices etc.
You can still do something without voting. You can call out evil actions, protest, educate yourself, and share knowledge. You can also assert your right to not vote.
nah. missed it entirely
That's still choosing evil though. I got tired of choosing an evil
@@theherberttribe9075 if you let the greater of the two evils be in control then you will be in a greater state of trouble than if you were to choose the other one. Hope u understand but u have the right not to vote. God bless
Dear @@theherberttribe9075 , I know your heart is in the right place, but keep it simple. Trump is against abortion and supports Israel. It is clear who all fellow believers should vote for. It is not the time to sit on the fence. God has used fallen, imperfect people many times in the bible. Our role on earth is not to judge, but to uphold Gods desires. Voting Trump / Pence is supporting God.
The Democrats will legalise abortion(even up to 9 months!) and Israel will be abandoned. There are other issues but these two alone are telling enough as to which candidate is being used by God.
I kindly urge you to vote. Fear not, you will not be choosing an evil.
Much love.
I'm voting but TOTALLY agree with John. Gotta remember our real nation isn't one of THIS world.
Yeah and not voting is allowing Hillary in power since Thur enemy sees so many Christians standing down. Your world as you know it is about to be a 3rd world. Hope your ready to surrender those freedoms that John says no one can take from you, I think he meant to say "faith" considering your freedoms do come from your governing laws. I.E. -- go to North Korea and see how lovingly accepting they are of your faith.
You must live here whether or not this is your "real" nation.
JESUS said we would be persecuted if we follow HIM. When it happens I've got to stand firm in my faith rooted in CHRIST. This world will get worse ... not better and we are lying to ourselves if we think it will. Get ready to be persecuted just like North Korean Christians and the like. JESUS warned us all of what would happen.
Joshua Garvey yes, John spoke of our freedom in CHRIST from eternal punishment for our sin and I also think that means not fearing man also.
Jason Frost yeah, I get that no doubt. So, I've been preparing myself for the some real persecution for the last 4 years. Mental and spiritual preparation.
The way he said 'then I might consider it' at the end. Wow, to me, that really summed up this video and showed Johns immense exasperation over this election. I'm thankful that I'm not American and don't have to choose who to vote for. But as he said, we're all citizens of heaven. I'll be praying for you guys and your country!!
Will Stevenette THANK you for your prayers! Keep praying. The battle is not over. It will be when we safely enter our heavenly home.
Until then, we rebuke the devil in the Name of the LORD Jesus Christ!
We bind the spiritual hosts and we cast them in the lake of fire, where they belong!
#Fight fight for your own country too!
#VOTECONSERVATIVE.
@@smokey347 vote conservative? don't vote...biblical God's kingdom is not of this world...we should live in the world and not be apart of this...
@@smokey347 There is nothing easier than to follow religion that you invented for yourself, because it’s always will tell you that you “on the right pass” Basically it’s when your GOP becomes your GOD! It’s American Christianity but it’s not Biblical Christianity ✝️ 😄😄
Love this.
Just remember that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Stacy Pitts: less is still less. The Bible says there's no one good, not one. Trump would not be my first choice, but tell me what makes him evil.
Robert Jayroe If you don’t already know (and you are grown) then there’s no need to try to explain. Choose to Open your eyes brother.
@@robertjayroe9900 this is funny 4 years later, I had forgotten I even commented but someone replied recently and the notification reminded me. Boy have things changed in 4 years. I actually voted this year for the first time in decades and it was for Trump.
I've never voted in my life, because I've never believed in either candidate. I've been searching for answers since becoming born again a few years back about whether or not I should change my mind, thanks to pressures from society and other Christians. Really thankful for this message, especially right after praying, thinking, and talking about it with my wife. :)
proffessorchaoas19 I feel good about God leading me, not you or anyone else who wants to lay some political guilt trip. I whole heartedly disagree with you as it stands now. If God wants me to vote, He'll lead me there. It has absolutely nothing to do with cowardice, who do you think you are to assume my motivations behind not supporting a racist, sexist man-baby or Hillary? Please pray about how you share your opinions.
Travis Stase - What God do you serve?
professorchaos 19 - I agree with you 100%.
sooooo, could God not have used Hilary the same way? but you're saying to vote against her...it sounds like your response is contradicting. Hillary is a sinner as well, just like us all. Couldn't God have raised her up too? trying to guilt trip someone wont work in getting a point across. saying this in peace. not against either of you. But you cant force a Christian to support a "lesser Evil".
@@travisstase1577 Amen! I never voted either, and I probably never will.
I appreciate this vid. God wants me to do something else to bear witness to him. Just because I don’t vote doesn’t mean I’m doing nothing, it means God isn’t calling me to vote.
This is so great!! Thank you for having the guts to say it. I'm so sick of hearing pastors this election talk about why my civic duty is when it's nowhere in scripture. I voted 3rd party and have no regrets. Both parties are equally distasteful these days and both bow down to the almighty state.
I’m so encouraged by your comment I thought I was the only Christian who thought both candidates were horribly ungodly
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It is your duty to choose the biblical laws of the land. Ignorance you are
Great and healthy teaching!!
There is no voting in heaven. A citizen of heaven will not vote for the King of kings will rule forever. God had already appointed the leaders of this world from the beginning of time. “The plans of the Lord will stand forever and the purposes of His heart through all generations” Psalms 33:11
Ya whatever NOW go vote for Pro life,Pro Israel Pro constitution TRUMP
Vote and pray! Pray to God for the country of America...
Your prayers won't be heard
God told me not to vote in the 2016 election! That he did not want my hands contaminated with either party. I disobeyed God but never again! I would never allow my emotions to lead me to vote for a candidate in Disobedience to what the spirit of God spoke to me.
I respect John's take here, but since when has there been two candidates (obviously speaking of rep/dem) that have been considered righteous in the eyes of the Lord? Can't think of any? My voting for secular officers is primarily governed by what candidate I perceive would maintain the continued liberty to promote and proclaim the Gospel. Yes, there are many other issues, but this is the primary one to me. At the same time, I can easily see how persecution of the church might do American Christianity some good. However, I'll let the LORD bring that in His good wisdom and timing. In the mean time I feel like I should seek to protect Gospel freedom so long as we have it.
CM HoM i wish more people here thought like you. Many here seem adhered to trump, so confident that it's God's plan to have him change America for the better..
CM HoM So, did you vote, my fellow citizen?
I hope you did and that you have no regrets! POTUS45 has been the manly man that our country needed.
God chose him for such a time as this!
#PrayForPOTUS45
#PrayForOurCountry
#VoteConservative 🇺🇸♥️🇺🇸😎
Exactly! Was Paul a candidate for a perfect man for God t to use? Was Moses? Was anybody in the Bible? This man is clueless. If our founding fathers thought like this man there would’ve never been in America. Wake up Christians or we will be facing tyranny.
You dont need the permissions of anyone. Why vote to continue any evils so that you won't be locked up when you preach? It is better to be made an example of, that people see your non vain sacrifice.
I knew I liked this guy. Piper stated what I would think that all Christians should know already. As a Christian how can you support a non Christian leader. Neither candidates showed fruit of being a Christian. Both show greed, hatred, deceptiveness, and pride. If the bible says pride goeth before a fall then what does that mean for Trump and if the bible says be sure your sins will find you out what does that mean for Hillary. Piper is the first white male Christian preacher that I heard who is not a Donald Trump supporter and I'm proud that he looked beyond government to dictate his actions. A true man of God. .
I am a Trump supporter but Trump is in favor of Gay rights so a sinner is a sinner Christians could of goes for Hillary and you’d still vote a sinner
You’re absolutely right tho
I would encourage everyone here to check out Charlie Kirk’s response to this, titled _”You cannot be a Christian and vote democrat”_
Its a strawman response.
Who's here in 2020? The video aged well, didn't it?!?!
And in 2024 😢
I’m watching this the day before the 2020 Election. And I’m sorry, when both candidates have questionable personal flaws (and we ALL do), you better vote with the issues & policies. It is highly likely that the crimes of abortion will increase or decrease over the next 4 years on whether you vote Red or Blue. Pray & vote people, 🙏🏼 ➕ 🗳!
It is so difficult for me to understand and at the same time my heart cries as I hear this because he completely ignores the fact that we need this president to have an opportunity to end the massacring of millions of babies. This is more than an election, its evil vs good. I believe that the ending of abortion will have a significant effect on the future of our nation. I strongly believe a revival will happen and more souls will come into the kingdom of God if we choose the right president.
So if Trump wins there will never ever be anymore abortions? When people listen to the lies of politicians and believe those lies of politicians they themselves become liars as well as their masters.
@OneHung Low
I guarantee you that God will not ask anyone why they never voted for Trump, the question will be why they rejected to believe on His Son JESUS.
I can not be held accountable for the actions of a country. God never sent the angels to Lot to ask him why he let Sodom get sinful.
JESUS said that those who are truly of His sheepfold are not of this world and they do not speak of this world. A true Christian comes out of this world.
This person that i replied to is putting the president of the US on the same level as Gods only begotten Son. They said a revival will come and more souls will enter the kingdom of God if the right president is chosen. That is about as anti-Christ as anyone can get. No president can bring people into Gods kingdom on the Son of God JESUS CHRIST.
Mr *one hung Low* you will also get your chance at Gods throne and i highly doubt you will be concerned with me or anyone, we will all stand before Gods throne and we will all be way to occupied with giving our own answers as to how we lived.
If Trump wins JESUS is our only hope, if Biden wins JESUS is our only hope but you see that different apparently.
@OneHung Low
There is nothing to dodge, do you really believe that when you stand before God, he will say well done you voted for the lesser of two evils?
Trump signed the Omnibus bill giving around 500 million to Planned Parenthood. John Piper is right not to vote. I also made a decision not to participate either.
All we need is God.❤
Dearest brothers & sisters in Christ, please consider that not voting would be to give another vote to the Democrats who support LATE-term abortions. God's stance on abortion is CLEAR. He is against the killing of innocent life. Abortion invades the safest place in the world for a baby, the womb.
"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be." - Psalm 139:13-16
Let us not take part in enabling this evil act. Vote for Trump, because he is firmly against abortion. Don't judge his imperfections, God has a history of using imperfect people to do His will. Our God is wonderful, He does not call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
"The nation is like a mighty lion;
When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it.
Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.” - Numbers 24:9
Secondly, God is for Israel. Trump supports Israel, the Democrats do not. These two factors are solid reasons enough to remove doubt about who Christians should vote for. Please do not sit on the fence. Your vote is crucial. Much Love.
Thank you brother, someone of your stature needed to acknowledge this publicly.
Amen.
No, Christians MUST be informed about political matters and vote. However, if you are uninformed about current issues, then it's best NOT to vote. Otherwise, you could be supporting a candidate that advocates something as gruesome and heinous as partial-birth abortion which was finally outlawed thanks to Christians who are politically active.
We are not voting for a Pastor. President Trump has put more conservative Judges across this land than any other President in History. He supports Israel! Wake up!
It grieves my heart to think of voting for either presidential candidate. Although there were prominent Christian leaders, who, a few months ago, were pointing out that Paula White led Trump to the Lord, the sanctification process seems to hardly have begun in him yet, &, therefore, it is painful to think of him being in a position of being a leader. Young men & women would be looking to him as an example of what a leader should be, & in his current state, that would not be a good thing at all. Right now, neither candidate is a good role model. Hopefully, whomever becomes president will get their heart right, and will pray for God's guidance before they make decisions on our behalf.
Vote against those who kill gods children
Vote for those who bless Israel.
Everyone is a "child" of God
Michael Lee. He’s talking about abortion. The democrats are pro late term abortion
@@bayreuth79 That's not what Jesus said to the Pharisees.
@@bayreuth79 Agreed. We are all God's child and should not kill no matter what. I'm pro life from conception to death.No war no abortion..provide healthcare for all.
Edit: (KJV)
(Romans 9:6-8. Romans 2:28-29. 1 Corinthian 16:22. Matthew 27:25,... Amos 5:25-26, Acts 7:43 ✡...
Amen! I didn’t vote this time.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾SO glad Pastor John covered this!!!
BusinessBox13 I'm relived.
I unregistered 8/3/2006. The fraud was beyond obvious to me then, and is much worse now.
Hmm, I may do this myself.
More evangelicals need to understand this. We shouldn't be stained by Trump (let alone the DNC). At this point, the Republicans need a big loss to regroup and form a truly conservative platform that evangelicals can get behind. A photo-op with 'a' Bible just doesn't cut it.
Worst advice I've heard on elections. You all have 3-4 years to watch and research candidates to see which ones can be voted for. So not voting is merely a result of #1 the media muddying the lines of candidates platform; when they should be helping to define it, and #2 not doing your homework on a candidate.
One thing I can say about Piper is that he strives to be biblically balanced…and objective also.
A little louder for the people in the back, John. I think half of southern white Republicans missed it.
+ML Wilson Amen! Great, truthful comment. I'm a deplorable white southerner. Anytime I fill out anything that asks for my race, I write in HUMAN on the form precisely because I am NOT racist and I agree with what MLK said about content and character being more important than race.
Logan Hay Boy who yo telling.
That's racist
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We are to protect life not par take with people who kill babys.
I felt the same way in 2016 but this is 2020 and I’ve learned much and much more is on the line and though you don’t have to vote, HOW COULD YOU NOT VOTE AND GIVE THE SIDE OF KILLING BABIES ANOTHER VOTE BY YOUR NOT VOTING!
Your statement is illogical. A non vote is exactly that, a non vote. It benefits no one except for the one who's conscience is now clear. It's unfortunate that voting has almost become a requirement by those around us, like a cult.
@@jgarcia5214 Seriously? So all the people in Afghanistan who died horrible dont matter to you at all. Thanks "christian" you are more disgusting immoral than Mormons. Talk about cult, wow, freakin psychopaths.
What side is not for killing babies? Both side think it's OK killing babies, if one side was against why is there not a national ban on abortion.
Thou shall not kill. Period.
BP.
2024AD.
PS People go to prison for murder, it's against the law to do many things, but No laws protecting unborn babies.
Both sides of politics should agree on that.
If they are not against than they are for. Period
I really appreciate this. I would encourage those of us standing more firmly on our own moral or societal convictions and calling John things like, "a false prophet", or slandering what he's saying- to test, what he's saying and reaaaaally listen to it! Don't let your own pride deter you from hearing what the brother has to say. Peace! Steven
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HE IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG! PERIOD
I voting for Mike Pence. Donald Trump is the way to get an honorable Christian man like Mike Pence in the spot light to prepare for his future presidency. There...my voting dilemma is solved.
Great perspective!!
I hope God can help Trump and show them to Love thy neighbor
You have the right not to vote, and you also have the right to remain silent when the candidate you despise most is elected.
1 Samuel 8:7 (BBE) And the Lord said to Samuel, Give ear to the voice of the people and what they say to you: they have not been turned away from you, but they have been turned away from me, not desiring me to be king over them.
Sooo brothers I don't want to choose king as ancient Israel's did I have already voted for my king and he became king who is going to come and am waiting upon him to rule over the earth.... AMEN. HE IS COMMING SOON.
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Thank you. I am not voting now in year 2020. I truly do not think i am obliged too. both parties are fucked up.
This expresses exactly how I discern things. Thank you!
God bless America in all sincerity. I am from the UK and have very happy memories of my time at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis.
MAN WHAT A GREAT MESSAGE FOR PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO TODAY! WE ARE BOUND TO CHRIST NOT THE POLITICS OF THIS WORLD!
Exactly. I agree 100%. But to do nothing is to do something.
John is WRONG
This is terrible i love john. But ive heard you sermon after sermon speak against abortion now you had an opportunity to pull back the evil and u called the people to do nothing. Im so dissapointed in u sir. In hine sight trump just signed an order to stop federally funed abortion praise God and u mr piper did not contribute to the victory but rather an opposition
Amen, John Piper! Thank you! I will not be voting for I do not wish to waste this God given privilege on either one of these ungodly candidates. I cannot, and will not, violate my conscience which is informed by a higher, transcendent standard, which is God's Word.
Darryl H
I understand how you may feel brother about these candidates. Horrifying concept to think we are putting our trust in ether. But let us not forget that God places who He wants in power. God precedes over the nations to adopt His sovereign will. God wants us to be holy-not happy. Jesus said I come with a sword. If we only look at the surface of man, we do get disappointed. If Moses was running for the office and we know of his background. Would he be a viable candidate. Grew up in the riches of Egypt-can't relate to the working man you may say. Then murdered a man-that would disqualify him in our society. Then he lied about it-hmmm... Then he was given a task by God. Said he wasn't the man for the job. God said I am right there with you Moses. Then Moses said, I'm a bad speaker and what if Pharaoh doesn't believe me and mostly and above all. My own kinsmen, what if they won't believe me when I walk back to tell them, I'm their leader and the man who's going to save their day. And who shall I tell them told me all this. And God said to Moses. Tell them that, I Am, sent you.
God wants us to put our vote of confidence in principals and precepts. Now I ask, did Moses meet the qualifications as a man as he was. Or was it that God saw something in his heart that Moses stood for the right principals. Does the Democratic Party stand for the principals of God-in more cases than none, they do not. Does a republican candidate stand for the principals of God. In more cases then none, they do. So if you stand for righteousness, then what party most likely fits your platform.
Moses took on a wicked political system. Elijah did the same, along with Isaiah. John the Baptist took on the system and paid for his life doing so.
I look at this election and people want jobs and freedom and do what they want to do. Never speaking once, that in order to get these blessing one thing has to happen. Just like the nation Israel did when they stopped their practice in killing their children on the Alters of Baal and Moleck. God hated their waywardness from their true God and seated to worship false gods. He brought Israel to her knees and into captivity. We in America are doing the same with our unborn children. How long do you think God will allow such a practice, until a hook is placed in the jaw of America and we are taken into captivity. So I'm voting for principals, not for a candidate. Because men fail us- but If a man happens to be on the right side of Gods principals. Then America will still have a fitting chance to be what God wanted us to be. A nation that serves Him in all areas of life. Just like Paul when he argued for his rights as Roman citizen. We need to be like Paul and argue for our rights as Christian's too - and the only way I know is vote.
DMV
Thanks to circumstances that are my fault, I won't be able to vote this time around, but for those of you not voting simply because you don't like the presidential nominees, remember that you'd will be voting for other offices as well. You can still vote for them and not vote for the president. To quote mars attacks. President Dale: I want the people to know that they still have 2 out of 3 branches of the government working for them, and that ain't bad.
Precisely my sentiments as well, Dr. Piper. Amen.
I agree. Is a citizen rights. There is no law in The USA that is an obligation for any citizen to vote, is a choice. Therefore we are not obligate to vote at all. We have not broken any commandments in the bible. We have NOT broken any law at all. Now if a Christian wants to vote they can do so. Is a CHOICE not an obligation. As Christians our main focus should be praying for what God wants and not what we think. Christian had put their faith in man to much and they forgot that God put President and take out President. God is the one who does it , is not the votes. The Christian has just has focus in talking about politics instead of talking the Lord is coming soon. Is out of control. The politicians do not need any help God is in control of what is going to allow to win. We need to put our faith in God and not in men. Especially when this candidates main focus is not walking the path of the Lord with thier testimony. We need to pray for them to God to help them and God to make the final decision and not USA.
I agree.
I've said that I focus on the on the amazing God above and we can't put our faith in these two candidates a bigot and a liar I think not
You're reaching very hard with that argument lol, I never said I wasn't voting or that I was smarter than God and if you think I did I think you need to go back and read my post again.
Again what I posted was I am not going to put my FAITH in these two. But once again seeing as how by your statement you'd rather take out your time to respond to something that you clearly don't agree with than scroll past. But do what you will. It's not my problem
That first statement is extremely confusing. It sounds like he's saying that you're free not to vote but if certain factors are involved you have to.
We (Christians) are to vote for the inspiration that will protect life and righteousness. That is not democratic, baby killing and punishment of who speak out for whats right (the sanctuary of marriage) and protect those who try to destroy it. And so on.
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Praise our King Jesus...
Okay, I'm sorry, I'm a Christian, but this guy sounds like he's reading some upper class middle age woman's Facebook post, seriously.
ad hominemus agree 100% with you. When you die and God judged you. Voting for Trump won’t save you so just focus on God and Repent
I voted for Tom Hoefling. A man whose candidacy was God honoring and Constitution honoring as well. I think Dr. Piper nailed it here once again.
All conservative thinkers and believers should remember that there are only two platforms in this election, and only two candidates that will push forward our cultural trajectory. While I agree with Piper's assessment of Trump's behavior and character, we do not just vote for a man, we vote for a platform. He is not a king, he is a representative of a branch of government and is responsible for advancing a conservative governmental philosophy. Either a conservative regime or a liberal regime will determine who sits on the US Supreme Court for the next thirty to forty years. A vote for Trump is a risky vote in that his character and behavior have been at times shameful and sordid. We do not really know what we will get as conservatives if he is elected. However, if Clinton is elected, we know exactly what we will get--our culture and our freedom (including religious freedom) will almost certainly be eroded so as to make America unrecognizable as the land of the free. Conservatives should have a conviction to vote for conservative ideals, notwithstanding the fact that the representative of those ideals is not the best we could have and should have put forward. I respectfully disagree with Piper's conclusion. We cannot punt on this election, get another four years of liberalism and a liberal Supreme Court, and expect anything other a speedier slide over the cliff of relativism, socialism, and hatred of God.
God Bless John Piper.
I will vote pro life. No respect for you.
Thank you so much for this
To hell with not voting and letting devils rule with no input.
I am going to take an example given by the late Pastor Peter J. Peters when discussing the Two-Party system:
Back in either the late 1980’s or early 1990’s, he spoke on a campus about extremists (he was heavily labeled as a right-wing extremist, despite the fact that not a single student or teacher could define what exactly a right-wing extremist is). To prove a point, he took a Bible and a history book. He placed the Bible on his right side and the history book on his left side, then asked the students which book was on the right side…
According to their perspective, they pointed to the history book as being on the right and the Bible as being on the left. Translation: it is ALL a matter of perspective. The parties are, if you study American political history deep enough (especially the history of the last 120 years or so, but it certainly goes much farther than that), just two Communist wings of the same bird. The Democrat is the Marxist Communist and the Republican is the Corporate Communist. Neither party affiliates with God’s Law, so therefore, our dependence on the parties for fulfillment of man’s law is contrary to God and He will refuse to Bless His children or this nation of New JerUSAlem (which is the prophetic regathering of Israel, according to the everlasting Abrahamic Covenant; the Jews claiming to be Judahites are not of Jacob Israel, but are of Esau Edom). I recommend seeking Pastor Peters’ two 8-part sermons: “Baal Worship” and “Wh0r£s Galore In America.” These two really show you the idol worship and the h@rlotry committed by our country. Though these sermons are over 30 years old, they absolutely are relevant today. Just look at the idolatry of Trump right now! Duped Christians and evil heathens alike are turning to him for national salvation instead of turning to the REAL Legislative, Executive, and Judicial Branch: Jesus Christ, our one and only Savior.
Our nation does need a national salvation, but we need national repentance first. Our system of government absolutely needs to be torn down. As much of a false flag operation January 6th was, the desecration of our Baal god government is what our Lord Jesus Christ wants His people to do. However, it cannot be done without the Hand of God. We need to obtain a nationwide turning to Him before the Baal towers of DC sorcery (watch Pastor Peters’ 2009 2-part documentary, “DC Street Sorcery” to understand what I mean by this; you will never look at Washington DC the same way again) will ever fall…
“DC Street Sorcery (Part 1)”: th-cam.com/video/AWq-FWzXMQk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aHqG4nYfKQ4xs3Gm
“DC Street Sorcery (Part 2)”: th-cam.com/video/sbmVmDQyQ8M/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rZKaIvtYzCa_vG70
yes I needed this
Unless i have the leading and confirmation from the Holy Spirit to do so, then I will refrain.
If you don't vote you are in danger of losing your religious freedoms. Then what???
Watching this in 2020, I'm free. Amen
Thank you so much Pastor!
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I've stopped voting there's no political party that's for the citizens in this country anymore
people should repent and return back to God and Jesus Christ and stop supporting this evil government
I agree we are free, so many people think that this world is all and be all. But if you really hear what he says " I will vote but not for these 2 candidates. " there are other issues you can do like vote for your local governments, Congress, and Senate seats. There other ways to vote and effect your community. I'm proud of Pastor Piper to stand for truth and not compromise.
Amen!
Absolutely!
Not true. This message is anti-biblical. Followers of Jesus are called and also encouraged to be directly involved in society. We are to be leaders of culture.
PASTOR..."SHOULD I VOTE"? "WHO SHOULD I VOTE FOR"??
Voting is a real part of "Christian stewardship"! The apostle Paul made much of his Roman citizenship even though he emphasized that we have a superior "Citizenship in heaven" (Philippians 3:20). Even during Babylonian captivity the prophet Jeremiah exhorted those in captivity to "seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile"..(Jeremiah 29:7). JESUS said we as believers are called to be "Salt and Light" to this world and while this cannot be directly interpreted to mean political action such as voting it also does not exclude that. I might add to this the fact that multitudes of men and women have sacrificed their lives in wartime to secure our right to vote. I conclude that voting in any election (especially this critical one) is not merely a right but a responsibility! A "responsibility of Christian stewardship". So then the only question is who to vote for not should I vote. I believe the Christian should vote "Intelligently" - not emotionally or from a cultural point of view only. The Christian must vote from a "scriptural point of view" after study and prayer. There has almost never been a clearer understanding of exactly where each of the presidential candidates (all of them..not just the big two) stand on important issues of our time and especially those which concern the freedom to preach the gospel. How should a Christian vote is a better question for me to answer than "who" should a Christian vote for. I conclude ...A Christian should vote! (My opinion). A Christian should vote "intelligently " , "prayerfully" and "carefully".
Sitting on the fence?!...Vote for Pence!!
A tip: If you don’t vote for a candidate, you can still vote for propositions without compromise. Such as raising taxes for any reason, etc.
I was raised a Christian and have no intent or desire to ever leave God's Church, When I was very young I felt God was calling me to participate in the political process and get involved with Government but it is my opinion that rich politicians had other ideas. There are probably a lot of crazy people in the world who do not pay attention to worldly needs and money and to be honest I don't know if prayer to God will help a person or not. I might point out that in Christian History the Roman Catholic church was both religious and also granted secular, civil authority. The origins of Christianity are both spiritual and secular so far as I can tell from the study of History. I have o admit, I do not believe our votes count because of my experience with Government and politics. People have suggested that maybe I should change political parties and such but my opinion is that the process is rigged and the people in power will do anything to retain power. I think Christians are crazy if they ignore money and secular government because if you ignore real power and real money then religion and your religious freedom will not matter. I have spent too much time being abused by politics and politicians BECAUSE I am conservative.
So IF elections existed before in the time of Yeshua, between Herod and Pilate, which of these two political candidates do you think would The Son of Man endorse to His followers to vote AS religious leaders do today? Neither, I think, for both are corrupt. Now I'm NOT saying that modern day politics is as the same as the politics in the ancient world HOWEVER, the principle is the SAME. The Son of Man represents ANOTHER Kingdom, which have rules, ideologies and principles different from the mortal realm as He stated on Mark 10:42-45.
Mark 10:42-45 (WEB) Jesus summoned them, and said to them, “You know that they who are recognized as rulers over the nations lord it over them, and their great ones exercise authority over them.
But it shall not be so among you, but whoever wants to become great among you shall be your servant.
Whoever of you wants to become first among you, shall be bondservant of all.
For the Son of Man also came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
The world as we know it, differs greatly from this humble mindset. Almost EVERY nation of the world today aspires to be the FUTURE world POWER, which reflects more the satanic dream of being like The Most High.
Parents encourage their children to give their best in class. In the government and economy of GOD we are taught to "consider others better than" ourselves (Philippians 2:3) which is the direct opposite of having that superiority complex.
In this world, when you are poor, plain looking, and less educated, you are looked down upon by some* men respected in society.
In GOD's Kingdom, as long as you got a pure heart, you are NUMBER 1.
The basis of this world in electing their officials is either based on their (1) Social status (2) educational achievement (3) past achievements (4) wealth and last but not the least (5) popularity and fame.
Isaiah 32:1 (WEB) Behold, a King shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in justice.
In GOD's Theocratic arrangement, The Lambs criteria in selecting His future co-rulers, "officials" or princes isn't based on their social standing or worldly fame BUT based on whether they are overcomers.
That is His Standard
His requirement is simple
Revelation 3:21 (WEB) He who overcomes, I will give to him to sit down with me on my throne, as I also overcame, and sat down with my Father on His throne.
Now what worldly ruler or magistrate would share the presidential seat to a common employee, although he's faithful? None.
But we serve a different King.
A different Lord.
A Heavenly Master.
And that's how humble, meek and transparent Our Master is, to ANYONE, rich or poor, Abraham or Lazarus, Jew or Gentile who would follow the ways of His Kingdom, the Kingdom that would put an end to ALL other kingdoms of this world, like a Stone uncut strikes the prideful image made of iron, clay, bronze, silver and gold to dust, carried by the wind, nowhere to be found.
Such will be the fate of the concepts, principles, philosophies, ideologies and standards of men.
But YAH's Love, Justice and Righteousness will forever stand.
So will those who does His will, after this world ends. (1 John 2:17)
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I voted for Trump just because of my Faith in Christ, to make sure abortion be under control in USA, and Church always have a voice. But this was my main concern. This 2020 I am thinking the same way, If it be for supreme court justices, cause it is a critical thing yet, I might vote to make sure the Christian Faith is protected on earth, however, I do not like so much going on with both parties and their way of living is not Christian at all to me.
We should not be silent
NO PIPER IS WAY OFF HERE JOHN YOU NEED TO VOTE
He is voting. Did you not listen to him?
You don’t need to vote, Voting for either candidate will not save you on the day of judgement. Repent!
@@christiandelgado2205 also hate to not take a stance against abortion being called into judgement
Many Christians have prayed about voting, but not many i think, have prayed with open hands and an open heart, willing to receive whatever the Lord has to say. I prayed, and God told me to abstain from voting in this election somthat my hands would remain unstained. I am not telling anyone else that they shouldn't vote, only that they should pray and seek God's will. Some are saying that we will be held accountable for not voting if "the wrong" candidate gets elected. I have two things to say to that: first, both are the wrong candidate and if you're voting for the lesser of two evils, let me ask you, would God ever require us to vote for anything evil? Secondly, the election is in God's hands. Daniel 2:21 says, "[the LORD] removes kings and sets up kings". He certainly raised up bad kings throughout Israel's history when they fell into rebellion. What more does our country need right now than a wake up call?
I know many Christians in this country probably find this clip offensive, but it is Biblical. Christians are only called to submit to the government (where they can), pay their taxes, and pray for our leaders (Romans 13:1-8, 1 Peter 2:11-17, and 1 Timothy 2:1-8). Unless voting is mandated by law to Christians, it is a matter of conscience. If our conscience tells us not to vote, we are free not to do so according to our conscience. It is not a sin to vote or not to vote; this is a secondary matter. As Piper rightly stated, we are citizens of heaven; we are only pilgrims and strangers here (1 Peter 2:11). And it is sad that believers bicker among themselves about which unsaved leader they will choose to lead an unsaved land from an unsaved mindset. Instead of just voting, we court candidates and take sides against one another when it is God that is still our sovereign king. Now that the election is over, I pray believers will stop losing their minds and keep their trust in the Lord (Proverbs 3:5-6).
Actually in Massachusetts I ONLY voted for the ballot questions. These two candidates really don't represent me. Even Trumph although I like his spunk taking on everybody he still seems to be on the side of the Jews when he was at the kiss the ass of the Jews at the AIPAC conference. If Trump gets in, good for him, but I actually wrote in the name Jesus and left ALL the other ballots blank since most of them represented the Democrats who are no better than Communist and highly influenced by the Jewish lobby which is the Anti-Christ party....
I swear John looks and sounds like Larry David.
Omg he does 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@LOGAN HAY...OUR LORD GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER...THANK YOU FOR WAKING THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK...
I don’t agree with this man on everything, but I do agree with him on this. I have tremendous respect for this guy.
I don't agree completely with this. Yes we are free and we don't have to vote but I believe we have a chance to help God with the future. He appoints who is in authority. (Romans 13:1) and we can make a difference. God works with us, not alone.
If Hillary wins, say goodbye to all free speech, religious liberty, and any chance of overturning Roe vs. Wade. Christians have an OBLIGATION to vote Trump this election.
Both of them can do bad things to this country, but I do agree Trump over Hilary. We should definetly vote this election. Its in our hands and its our responsibility. I'm shocked that people actually don't think it matters. This is a bigger deal then some know.
Cassy Films God needs our help? you sure about that?
Adam Boyd Do you tell others about the gospel? Do you just sit that out too? Pathetic argument.
Of course I tell others about the gospel. But to infer that the Lord needs a human agent to accomplish His will is a very low view of who he is.
The idea that pastor john had to explain this is troubling enough
This is not our homeland but God has made us responsible for earth🙏
A Christain should vote
Disagree with you Mr John
Vote!
Since when did Piper start believing in free will?
Ok Pastor , and the Christian is also free from having a go at a human government's processes that they do not participate in if the human government winds up making and passing laws that effects how a Christian lives their life on earth .
Sorry Son this is not Heaven so how about preaching a sermon that winds up working for people on earth instead of
a sermon that only works in heaven .
" For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also . "
- James 2:14-26 New King James Version (NKJV)
This is what runs me away from Church , when the pastor preaches faith without works .
"The blood of the innocents (think aborted babies) shall be on the heads of the community."
If there was only one issue that Biblical Christians should consider when deciding whether to vote or who to vote for, that's it.
in my country Australia voting is compulsory. you Americas are lucky that you have the choice not to vote
Please don’t vote as you are not qualified.
Great word pastor!