Ive been playing hells highway everyday for that 100day achievement. I couldn't agree more. I have a special place in my heart for all the Brothers in arms games
Something to add on the game. If you are attentive enough you notice two kinds of transitions. Fade to white, and fade to black. Devs revealed that if the transition is black, then it is a continuation of Walker's trials through Dubai. But if the transition is white, then then anything you've done before this has been a hallucination in Walker's mind. Heck the Lead Writer said that the starting helicopter scene was the final moments of the main characters lives and Walker is going through the past in his mind.
Minus the fact that they can spend the entire game guilt tripping you despite never once picking a single aggressive choice, the only 'bad' choice you make being using the phosphorous on the civilians, never mind that you spent 10+ minutes holding out before being forced to use it solely to continue the game. And then the answer is a massive copout of "You could have just not played!" Sure devs, I'll just NOT PLAY THE GAME I PAID FOR.
That one turret is known as the "Oracle Turret" It also appears stuck in a vacuum tube earlier in the game (when you're forced to transport Wheatley manually)!
Funny thing on the Joker one: I did use the Detective Vision during the fight and my brother and I actually made note of that. Thought it was weird. But we ultimately decided to chalk it up to "well, the devs probably didn't think that you'd use your detective vision during this encounter, so they didn't waste time with it." Cut to the Clayface reveal and it had the both of us slackjawed as we realized why Joker didn't have bones.
You can do it in Arkham Asylum as well. There's a brief moment where you see him in a cell & notice no skeletal structure when detective mode is activated.
In case you wanted to skip around and avoid spoilers: 0:45 Dead Space 1:45 Life Is Strange 2:52 Call of Duty: Black Ops 4:05 Portal 2 5:02 Bioshock 6:22 Final Fantasy VII 7:21 Batman: Arkham City 8:29 Red Dead Redemption 9:19 Spec Ops: The Line 10:33 Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
Huh, interesting. Just 1000/1000'ed it last week, and still I never knew this. Probably because I was concentrating on not dying in possibly the hardest 'hardest difficulty' I've ever completed...
Also if you shoot reznov during the game you won't get the friendly fire warning. However there was something else that wasn't acknowledged in the video which is that if you change the serial numbers into letters you get "or is he dead, there was no body, is he who he says he is".
I shot him in the leg in BLOPS 2. I was doing it as a joke becuase I thought he would die wherever you shot him. I just assumed that Mason can't die until a friend told me that he killed him.
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic tells you in the first hour what happened: "The say the Force can do terrible things to a mind; it can wipe away your memories and destroy your very identity." This is specifically pointed out during the reveal.
After he says that, Master Vandar (the Yoda species character), says rather sternly that "we should discuss this matter further" basically telling Vrook to shut the fuck up.
Bob Jones Then it wasnt the kill trigger code phrase. And we can make more choices. We can even let the splicers and big daddies live if we want to. Only during the bomb creation and Sanders quest to take photos are not choices. We can also let Sanders live or kill him tho. Im just replaying it for Bioshock 2. :)
ANOTHER bioshock foreshadowing is the tapes you find where Ryan and the prostitute talks about their illegitimate child. After hearing those I was pretty certain they applied to jack, because who else could it have been?
+DirkAustin it isn't a kill code, it is a comand code. this is shown when Atlus tells you to put the genetic code key. you know he is controlling you at this point, but you do it any way
You also forgot the fact they play "The Man Who Sold the World" in the beginning. A song about a man running into his doppelganger and ultimately coming to terms with them... Which is why I was okay with the twist really. MGS had tons of insane implausible things happening, and the idea of two big bosses cleared up some issues with MG1 and MG2, what with you killing Big Boss in 1 yet he's still alive in 2. Plus when put in the perspective of the game being loosely tied to David Bowie's songs, it's kind of interesting.
Holy shit THANK YOU! You actually mentioned the two Big Bosses part, so I don't see what part of this twist was really stupid. What other way was there to explain what happened in the first two games? Interestingly enough though, none of these were the hints I had in realizing that we weren't playing the real Boss (John). What gave it away at first... was that for some reason Ishmael sounded like Kiefer Sutherland. Knowing that he was supposed to play the Boss, I wondered why exactly that was the case. Really though, going deeper into the shoes of Venom really made me forget about that, so the reveal was still surprising to me anyway, but then I kicked myself hard for not having stuck with that initial suspicion anyway.
+artcellrox I think people were mad because it didn't give the real Big Boss any motivation for MG1 and 2 and didn't give him any humanizing moments, because it was a doppelganger experiencing it all. What they failed to understand is the other prequel games already did that, it was never "He's just evil and wants to rule the world" Ever since MGS3 we found out his entire motivation was being manipulated into killing his mentor, the only person who gave him reason to live, by the US and Russian governments. Everything else after that point was him miscontruing her words. The entire point of him doing what he did was to take power away from the people who used people as pawns with no regard whatsoever and to take away their Nuclear option so he could use them himself as a safeguard, to ensure no one could stop him. MGSV:TPP was to explain why BB survives 1 and to establish the world leading up to MG1. How was BB able to make Outer Heaven while working for the US government? Doppelganger. How did BB survive being killed in MG1? Doppelganger Why did no one have Nukes allowing BB to be the only one with them. The events of MGSV pushed the governments into dismantling their weapons so no one could arm any PMC or third world country, all while BB stockpiled some for his plans. The twist was a bit cheesy, sure, but it explained everything perfectly, sans the whole Konami screwing over Kojima so it was technically an unfinished game. And having the events of MGSV happen to Venom Snake makes perfect sense. Why would a doppelganger be willing to sacrifice his identity and willing to die for BB in MG1 even after learning the truth? Because he experienced what BB went through allowing him to empathize with him. I mean the mission, "Shining Lights Even in Death" was enough to show the torture BB had to go through. So when BB comes to Venom and says "I want to prevent anything like this ever happening again" Of course he's going to sign up.
I also thought of the twist being as a nod to the player from Kojima, among all the other story reasons presented. You create your character in the game. You, the player, have been there to make mgs what it is. A subtle 'thank you' to his long time fans.
I actually really loved MGSV's twist, I thought it was awesome. The whole, "You're talking to yourself" line was brilliant when you realized he meant it literally.
In Deadly Premonition, the Sheriff of the town outright states "you don't have to be a tree worshiper to appreciate the nature around here." He's the serial killer, and he's doing it to unlock the magical power held within the seeds of a particular kind of tree. He literally worships trees.
Not to mention that his car's license plate says "HESTHE1". As in he's the killer. You could solve the mystery by just randomly driving around the neighborhood and seeing the plate while driving past.
Loaf Cult Member No, Kaysen was the emissary from the Red World, an immortal demonic being that killed people and spread the red seed. The dog was his connection to the Red World. Thats why the dog is always with him. Who is in charge is never spelled outright, but the ending shows the dog with Kaysen doll in his mouth, like a chew toy.
The reason for that twist in MGSV was to solidify that Big Boss is the antagonist in Metal Gear. He does something to one of his own men that is just as bad as the stuff that Cipher does, meaning he's no more in the right than the people he's fighting against. This is exactly the kind of behavior that the Metal Gear Big Boss would do. But, because we're seeing things form his perspective from MGS3, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, and Ground Zeroes, as well as reconciling with him at the end of MGS4, we easily forget that he was the original villain when the story began. We go through all sorts of mental gymnastics, and even ignore that he literally recruited Chico when he was still too young to smoke or drink, using him as an asset for his military operation. And then of course, there's his method of recruitment; abducting enemy combatants and brainwashing them into joining his army. And that leads into his plan for Outer Heaven; Go to war, create war orphans, take the orphans back to his base, train them to go to war, and then unleash them on other places, creating more war orphans to take in and train. Long and short, Big Boss is a villain, and MGSV's ending was the final step down that path, taking someone else's life away from them, and using them to further his own agenda. The only reason people are so mad that he would do such a thing is because they've been seeing it all from his perspective for so long. If you were to come in with no knowledge of the franchise, you'd think it's kind of a dick move. Then, go play Metal Gear, and you'll see that he's the final enemy of the game, and you'd just think that it makes perfect sense. Because he IS the villain.
I stayed playing that game with no knowledge of anything before and honestly I didn't think much of it.. so maybe that's on me for not reading more into it
You are wrong The villain is the government So come back to the story and understand it well It is the reason behind everything that happened Everyone died because of the American government
@@DrEldlich You're only right poetically. The first term I used to describe Big Boss was 'antagonist' because that's exactly what he was early on in the franchise; the antagonist to Solid Snake's protagonist. Again though, Big Boss was a villain, using the suffering of others for his own gains. If you step back, he's really a monster who just believes he's doing the right thing, using all sorts of bad methods to achieve what he thinks is a good goal. He hides behind 'the ends justify the means' when they clearly don't. He creates new suffering just to perpetuate war, claiming that it's to make a paradise for soldiers, consequences be damned. Also, if you're wondering why I took over 9 months to reply, take it up with TH-cam who didn't notify me about anything until the fourth response. Also, while you're at it, you can ask yourself why you responded over 3 years after I left the comment.
The whole concept in the MGS series is hiding a stealth game right? And main characters are trained wetwork agents? So escaping an assasination is right. And I also believe Quiet knowed that too. Thats why she never talked in the game. She was send to kill Snake and person that everybody belived to be snake wasn't snake.
Really cause I thought it was to clear up the loose thread that was the big boss character in Metal Gear 1 that you killed who was able to have a respectable number of soldiers under his command. Still don't even get why everyone is so upity about this guy being a damn good soldier. Its literally why he was chosen. You dont have to be a clone of big boss to be able to do something in that world
I remember one from The Witcher 3. It's not really a twist, but it's also pretty nice. Early on in the game, in Velen near a windmill, you can find an old man claiming he's a medium and he can predict your future. If you bring him back the herbs he asks for, he gives clues about the game ending. Same with the Heart of Stone DLC, if you haven't completed the main quest before the DLC, you can by choosing the right option at the end of the DLC get some clues on what to do when you're making the critical choices that affect the end of the game. That's freaking cool
I was literally playing Batman: Arkham City earlier today and for this week lol. And Joker also said "You fell for the old fake Joker gag, Batman." really early in the game as well as Harley saying "Mr. J, you look perfect! Oh, I forgot. It's not you, is it?"
I, too, am very critical to the twist and overall narrative of MGSV. But it seems like you didn't understand the meaning behind it. You're not just a faceless medic. You're you, the player, that's why you create a face instead of them giving the medic a face to begin with. That's why you all big boss' important memories were imprinted in venom's brain. Because we were there with big boss, we lived through that too. In short we are venom snake, we became so familiar with big boss that we were turned into his phantom. A second big boss. I'm not saying you should like it. But at least understand what it is. I'm not very fond of it either for the record.
As much as how I like that fact that we the players get to live Big Boss's world, I wished for more story and character development for Venom Snake. At one point, we did travel back to Cyprus according to Truth Ending, but it was jumpy.
Have to agree, and also the twist can be seen a mile away. If you weren't being too presumptuous you would have probably seen it during Kaz's rescue mission. If you were being presumptuous you might have even seen it coming during the very first mission. Didn't really bother me at all and it was a sensible twist all things considered. I think it was unfair of the video to label it as nonsense simply because of the slightly convoluted setup.
+Sir Gildo I actually loved that twist, Big Boss' history was already too convoluted and heavy for any soul to bear, so having someone else go through that made it easier for me to believe that Bigg Boss didn't kill himself later on.
That is the point they tried to make, but frankly, it's a load of bull crap. Big Boss is a character. His dialogue is carried out by a voice actor, motion capture gets some of his movements, and all we do is take him from point A to point B to carry out the story. I know I'm not Big Boss, because I'm real. If I'm Venom Snake, then why am I not Big Boss too? Are we every video game character ever? Ever since Psycho Mantis Kojima's tried to up his metafiction and fourth wall breaking, when all he needs to do is write a good story and stop trying to pull pointless rug pulls. Summary: Big Boss is Big Boss in the game. Outside the game, no one is Big Boss, because Big Boss isn't real.
No it wasn't a love letter it was a slap in the face for every mgs fan , it was filled with repetitive missions crappy characters shitty boss fights and the worst story in the whole mgs saga , only kojima fanboys will defend it
I think most people do understand that kojima is saying the players are big boss and the message on the tape at the end is aimed at the player from kojima himself. It's a ballsy and clever twist that adds plenty of plot holes and things to be desired. I hated the twist though it was at least creative
+oh hi mark He didn't slap us, he didn't do it. He did nooooooooooot!!! Seriously though, weakest story but it had the best gameplay out of any of them. Snake Eater will always be my favorite though.
The "I'm different turret" talks about Prometheus and how he brought the gift of fire to man and was pecked at by birds and later on in the game we find GLaDOS being pecked at by birds
Or they do "give it away" but you over look the clue or whatever on your 1st playthough then when you play again, you realize what you over looked foreshadowed future events.
That's like saying it's not giving things away when something is being offered for free (free BBQ, free admission, etc..) and you don't attend or participate. Just because someone doesn't get it doesn't mean it wasn't being given away.
True it is a very good game but why no one speaks about it only you as ive seen so far in the comments but a lot of people are buying it now because it has a low price.
+shutdown199 Spec ops was not that great. It's so fake deep and plays the same Pathos pulling trope of "omg maybe we're the bad guys" and everyone just eats it up.
I think a good sequel would be maybe set in 60's Vietnam or something, and it switches between two Spec Ops squads. You think both stories happen alongside each other, but over time you learn one squad actually disappeared before the other arrived, and the first squad's actions decide the fate of the second. That'd be a cool twist.
There is a lot more foreshadowing for #4. If you don't jump out of the exploding chapel tower, Joker talks about how if you two keep going at it, one of you is going to end up dead on of these days. Also, when Joker jumps on you and knocks you out with gas, his skin is nice and cured, then goes back to infested. Also, as 35Antonio said: "In Arkham City, after Harley Quinn hides with Joker in the attic of Ace Chemicals you can hear say: Harley: Mr. J, you look so much better! Oh, it's not you. Joker: Shhhhhh, quiet Harley!"
Then there's that side quest in the steel mill where you get your ice grenade. If you listen to the thugs in the elevator, one of them mentions seeing the Joker leave while another says he's still there.
All true points, you forgot one though when you go back to the Steel Mill and Joker's looking in the mirror. Batman even revisits a memory of that when he confronted clayface, the reflection was of a sickly Joker but when Joker turns around he's looking cured. Because it wasn't a mirror.
I actually like the twist in MGS:PP. The medic in a sense is supposed to be you. Assuming you played the games as Big Boss/Snake those would be the "memories" that were placed in the phantoms mind. And it makes sense because in the original Metal gear games you kill Big Boss, but then he shows up in MGS4 without that horn in his head. It really makes a whole lot of sense if you ask me.
There was a way bigger foreshadowing in Batman Arkham City than the fight with Clayface/Joker. When you're in the church tower rigged to blow in the beginning, if you hang around after the timer clicks down Joker will berate you and more or less spell out the ending of the game, which further plays on the Cain and Able painting in the prologue with Catwoman :/
In Black Ops 2, during the start of the 2nd mission, Celerium, Salazar speaks about Menendez in a way that makes him sound like he has some kind of weird respect for Raul. Soon enough, he betrays you.
The twist of MSGV is necessary to explain how big boss dies at the end if Metal Gear. The very original one that is. When Solid Snake kills big boss at the end of that game he's actually killing Venom Snake
no it's not actually, you never actually killed him in metal gear, only in metal gear 2. After outerheaven begins it's self destruct sequence you pretty much just run and then you are confronted by big boss who tells you he didn't expect you to fuck him over you have a quick battle and you "kill" him but you have to get out fast. Then in metal gear 2 it turns out big boss didn't die he only lost his eye then you burn him to death. (even though mgs4 says he lives which is kinda bullshit but whatever)
also in mgs5 audio tape of Eli says DNA does not match with BB, and if you kill people in mother base Ocelot remarks you are not the big Boss we been expecting after all
When I first heard that tape, I was like "Woah...What the fuck!?". After having beaten the game though (and just recently finishing a second playthrough), there definitely are hints scattered around here and there.
I just assumed it had been rigged by Ocelot or Miller or someone trying to hide the truth from you. Liquid felt a little awkward in the whole story, like he was just shoe horned in so you can be like "look it's Liquid!" rather than him having a meaningful role or cause to be the way he is. It really doesn't make sense for him to be so bitter and i think MGSV was a wasted opportunity for us to get more insight into him. Instead, Liquid just hates Big Boss because he's one dimensional and evil. Liquid is literally a brat before he even meets Venom and that's why the the later stuff in the series happens? Come on there had to be a better reason.
***** I kept thinking that Ishmael was Big Boss in a sense that he's a figment of your imagination, but he's your old survival instincts manifesting itself and essentially saving you. The twist itself fits quite nicely into the lore it's really just everything else plot wise that confuses the larger story. It was a bitter pill to swallow realizing you weren't Big Boss though eh, MGS2 was different because we start Plant knowing we aren't Snake and if you played the first one and Tanker then it was no secret who Plissken really was. The plot holes are Sahelanthopus, Liquids back story, Quiet, Ocelots apparent change of nature, Skull Face, Vocal Chord parasites. None of this was designed with the later story in mind.
Dead Space: - less than 1/4 of the ship is his(because his crashed into it) -Not his colleagues Isaac is LITERALLY a 'Repair Man' on a job that went wrong.
11th: vampire the masquerade bloodlines: if you choose to open the sarcophagus at the end of the game, it will blow up, killing you; however, there's a woman hanging out with the thin bloods near the santa monica pier who can see the future and will tell you (upon asking) to not open it (she does not say what 'it' is)
The Revan reveal. It is hinted at so much that Knights of the Old Republic makes a cutscene showing you all of the times people hinted at it once you find out.
Life Is Strange more or less does the same thing. Games shouldn't count for this list if the game itself goes back and shows you that it's been hinting about the twist all along.
For Reznov, you should've used when if you shoot Reznov in the missions after Vorkuta, you will not get a game over or a mission failure for friendly fire.
at Read Dead Redemption ye missed something... at that point John Shoots the Guy (who some people think is either God, Jesus, Death, the Devil, an Angel, an Angel of Death or some other supernatural being) 3 times, on the fourth it jams... some see it as if each bullet was one dead: first was uncle second John third Abigail the bullet that would've been Jack jammed
The bioshock and Life is strange type "giveaways" are more narrative foreshadowing, than cheeky hidden messages like picking certain letters in chapter titles, when I played bioshock I was picking up on these clues (along with the tape under the prostitute's bed and the final "would you kindly" scrawled across the wall before the twist is revealed) you're supposed to pick up on stuff like that as you're playing.
1: I loved that twist in MGS 5 I thought it was fuckng grand 2: spec ops the line was hands down the best game story wise I thought y'all liked to know
Kojimas twist makes since because the fake big boss is the one that Solid kills in part 1. I think it's an invisible Easter egg hinting at the fact that he's going to remake Metal Gear. Just look at the dates at the end of the game and compare them to the dates in the previous game. The timelines been changed for a remake.
Maybe if he hadn't gotten in a fight with Konami and backed out. Frankly, If MGSV never existed, the story would be exactly the same. They should have just remade the first two games and ignored this "story".
Sense*. And no, it was not at the quality of typical MGS storytelling. MGS2's ending is still something we talk about and philosophize on to this day. Phantom Pain's forgettable story has already been forgotten.
They've been working back to the first Metal Gear since Peacewalker. On top of that it ties up the whole two big boss' question from early Metal Gear. Blew my mind when I saw that one.
+RipperJack30141 Yeah! This damn plot wist was necessary, hard for me to understand how it doesn't Make any sense to some people, I'd understand if they complained about execution of it (Yep, We all can agree this could have been executed better)
More obviously with number 1: -Venom Snake still has his other eye. Big Boss was shot in the eye in MGS3, meaning it was absolutely destroyed. Venom however seems like his eye was simply damaged to the point of blindness. -When Volgan's spirit gets a close look at you, hoping to get his revenge, he suddenly freaks out after looking at your face long enough before fucking off and becoming a burned up corpse again. This means he realized you're not Naked Snake (Big Boss before he became Big Boss) the man who killed him, and that he truly wasn't going to get his afterlife revenge disturbed and shocked him immensely.
That MGS Twist was awesome actually. Throughout the series, Big Boss is set up to be a God-Like soldier and he actually dies TWICE in the series. Having two Big Bosses in my opinion was awesome, it explained why Big Boss was such a great soldier (being in two places at the same time) it explains why Big Boss dies twice (one death for you and one death for Boss) and to sum it all up, it's just a great thank you to the fans of the series seeing as that was Kojima's final game. SO YOU'RE STUPID!............jk it's all a matter of opinion but there are worst twists out there.
well too bad that was the only thing on TPP that makes sense. All the other game plot was just gibberish. Retarded at best. It had amazing gameplay etc. but that storyline makes it the worst Metal gear by far. it is almost unrecognisable.
We have a very similar opinion of the game it seems. I thought TPP had the best gameplay of any MGS game, absolutely loved it. But the story, it was the weakest of all MGS games. So it made it kind of a wash for me. But the MGS story was what had pulled me in, so to have a weak story as TPP does it actually makes me rank it the lowest in the series... Fun to play the game, but no depth or substance unlike every other MGS game before it
Story wise the twist in metal gear solid V makes sense. While for people who don't understand the story may see it as a stupid choice. In metal gear 1 on the nes big boss gets killed by solid snake. When really the fake big boss was killed, and the real big boss comes into the story only to be burned alive by snake, but real big boss is still alive but injured severely (the story continues into mgs1,2,and4)
Am I the only one who thinks mgsv ending was damn good? To me it made 100% sense and answered the question why big boss was alive in mgs 4. I dont get it why people are trashing it and calling it bad...
Wasn't he supposed to kill himself but they rescripted it because it didn't test well. I think that makes for a satisfying end, a way to realise the burden a soldier takes on.
The twist in MGS5 made a whole hella bunch of sense. Snake kills this Boss in the first game allowing the reall Big Boss to return later. Despite the appearance of a tired and cliche trope, Kojima was, from a storytelling perspective totally justified in bringing everything full circle.
More notably with Reznov is the fact that after he dies you can't shoot him. Anyone else, you shoot them a few times you get a game over. Reznov, it goes right through him like he ... doesn't exist...
I wouldn't blame Kojima too much for that one. After all, we was removed from the development team by Konami and his signature insignia is no-longer shown on newer copies of the game.
Even knowing the twist, if you haven't played Spec-Ops: The Line yet, it's still worth checking out. That game is REALLY powerful and a crazy good exploration of the atrocities of war.
Yeah but at the start of mgsv they said removing the shrapnel would be fatal and considering what was possible from the in universe tech from mgsv to mgs 4 i doubt medical tech has gotten to the point where he could have it removed
To extend the Dead Space example, there's a more obvious thing to indicate something is wrong -- Nicole shows up and, like Isaac, is wearing on of those handy neon backwear accessories which act as healthbars. And hers is empty the entire time.
FF7 Plot twist is even more obvious if you consider the fact that the box art on the reverse side of the case for the original release on ps1 in the uk shows Cloud holding Aerith as she's about to be sunk.
I always supported MGS... but the story in MGSV is a completely disaster, honestly I never saw it coming(not the twist, but its how BAD the twist was actually executed), what a waste of this GREAT cast, it could have been amazing if they had a kickass script, i was expecting a whole lot from them, especially the hype after ground zeroes, and all these trailers looked absolutely AMAZING, but only the trailers... i honestly think the MGSV trailers are one of the best executed trailers in gaming history.
Pretty sure it wasn't the Bathyspheres but the rejuvenation stations that were locked to Ryan's DNA. There's an audio log pretty early in the game (I believe in Arcadia) that talks about them basically being useless for everyone but Ryan, although it's not super accurate as anyone as close as even a distant cousin would still be recognized. Given that fact, I find it interesting how it changes the narrative slightly depending on difficulty, considering you don't respawn at those stations on Hard. ALSO... it begs the question of why Ryan didn't just respawn after you bludgeon him to death. Or did he?
***** Vita chambers... yes, that's what I was looking for. Even so, the Vita Chambers are explained as taking the user back to whichever one they were most recently linked to. So it should have still revitalized him somewhere else in Rapture.
In Arkham City, if you stay after the countdown in the church bell thingy, the Joker reveals the end of the game, as "One of us will look down upon the other's body", or something among those lines.
I really like the plot twist of Black Ops 3, where the story you play never really happened, and is perhaps an AI become self aware peicing together the memories of the antagonist in the story (whose memories the game revolves around) to make them make sense. The one you play as (named as "Player 1"), since the end of the first mission, but the AI needs an identity, and it is this identity that it catches. An amazing metastory! What really happened was different from what you played, because it is just the "memories" of the AI, constructed to make sense for it. The main antagonist is the person whose memories the AI reads into, and the minor antagonists were all his squad members.
it was to explain why Big Boss dies in the first Metal Gear game aka that was Vemon also in 4 people point out there was no way one person would do all the things big boss claims to have done thus showing yeah cuz there was two
Missing the absolute pinnacle example of this trope: Silent Hill 2. Everyone knows the huge twist of James being the one to kill Mary, but it's amazing that Team Silent had the balls to flat out tell you within the first 15 minutes of the game. After your first monster encounter at the start of the game, James interacts with a portable radio in a cutscene. He hears a garbled woman's voice speaking to him. It's hard to figure out exactly what she tells him, but if you've a close enough ear you can make out Mary saying "James...why did you kill me...James."
You missed the game with the most major twists : Start Wars The Old Republic. In the Imperial Agent story you are being brainwashed and used by the Republic only to find out that you were actually brainwashed by your people (The Empire). And in the Sith Warrior story your husband tries to kill you to get promoted to Captain, so yeah.
sadly, my brother told me about it before the twist happened,and one thing I hate, for a whole questline you are the emperors wrath, and after that they never talk about again
Also, I have another one if you ever make a second list. In Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc -- SPOILER ALERT!! -- Junko Enoshima, the gorgeous fashion model who is revealed to be the evil Mastermind at the end of the game, actually has an impostor (her sister Mukuro) play her role during the game. This is given away right at the start, during the introductions, because Makoto (i.e. the player) knows her from her fashionista shoots and immediately remarks that she looks nothing like her photos in real life. "Junko" brushes it off saying that fashion photos are all photoshopped to Hell and back, and you think nothing of it since the argument makes sense, and attribute it simply to character development. However, when the real Junko reveals herself, she looks exactly like her fashion photos, making the remark about Mukuro not looking similar fall right into place.
Going back to Batman Arkham City, not only was the Clayface twist hinted at earlier on, but the Joker’s death was foreshadowed even earlier than that. Pretty early in the game, Joker traps Batman in a bell tower which is rigged to blow. If you stay in the bell tower after the timer winds down, it won’t blow up right away. Instead, you’ll hear this dialogue from Joker... “What are you waiting for? We both know how this is going to turn out. You’re going to come and find me. You can’t stop yourself, can you? Sometimes, I wonder if all of this will just end with one of us looking down that the other’s corpse, trying to work out what to do next. The only question is, who’s body will it be? I know who I’m rooting for... what about you? Hahahahahahaha! Now get out of there now, or you’ll ruin everything!”
I believe there were hints with that too. Remember on the Gulag when the Navy kept bombing the building while TF-141 was inside, and Shepherd called them off? Then the second they find Price, the bombing starts again. I think Shepherd was trying to kill them all once he was sure Prisoner #627 was Price. Also as America is invaded, Shepherd is issued a "blank check" from the president to bolster his war machine, what he'd wanted all along.
in the first level with Shepherd, there was the moment when he loaded three bullets into his gun. These three. bullets were used later against the protagonists, killing two of them and almost killing Soap if Price didn't stop him.
GuitarrAssassin Yet somehow many people missed it. Strange that it even reveals clues in the trailer. Guess some people wanted to hold on to hooe that they were big boss.
Well, to be fair, when you market the hell out of your game as "This is how Big Boss became the bad guy" (even though the ending of MGS3 was enough to explain that. Any game after that, while fun, was largely unnecessary to the story), people are going to misunderstand.
***** Very true. Mgs3 perfectly explained it. The other games were just getting into the nitty gritty of it. Although it's nice to know how he lost his bandanna.
just like all games the older ones are normally the worst how ever the mg story is really good to me and playing all of the games makes the next game after it even more fun, even tho ya the first MG game isn't all about the story I would still say you should play it just to see how the games evolved.
Spec ops: the Line is, hands down, one of the best war games ever made...
Along with brothers in arms: hells highway IMO
Ive been playing hells highway everyday for that 100day achievement. I couldn't agree more. I have a special place in my heart for all the Brothers in arms games
We're all Brothers in Arms
Something to add on the game. If you are attentive enough you notice two kinds of transitions. Fade to white, and fade to black.
Devs revealed that if the transition is black, then it is a continuation of Walker's trials through Dubai.
But if the transition is white, then then anything you've done before this has been a hallucination in Walker's mind.
Heck the Lead Writer said that the starting helicopter scene was the final moments of the main characters lives and Walker is going through the past in his mind.
Minus the fact that they can spend the entire game guilt tripping you despite never once picking a single aggressive choice, the only 'bad' choice you make being using the phosphorous on the civilians, never mind that you spent 10+ minutes holding out before being forced to use it solely to continue the game.
And then the answer is a massive copout of "You could have just not played!" Sure devs, I'll just NOT PLAY THE GAME I PAID FOR.
The defective turret from Portal 2 doesn't spout nonsense, it makes a bunch of references to mythology that parallel the events of the game.
Thank you! How the hell are people missing this?
@@Schytheron I know, right?
That one turret is known as the "Oracle Turret" It also appears stuck in a vacuum tube earlier in the game (when you're forced to transport Wheatley manually)!
Funny thing on the Joker one: I did use the Detective Vision during the fight and my brother and I actually made note of that. Thought it was weird. But we ultimately decided to chalk it up to "well, the devs probably didn't think that you'd use your detective vision during this encounter, so they didn't waste time with it."
Cut to the Clayface reveal and it had the both of us slackjawed as we realized why Joker didn't have bones.
You can do it in Arkham Asylum as well. There's a brief moment where you see him in a cell & notice no skeletal structure when detective mode is activated.
In case you wanted to skip around and avoid spoilers:
0:45 Dead Space
1:45 Life Is Strange
2:52 Call of Duty: Black Ops
4:05 Portal 2
5:02 Bioshock
6:22 Final Fantasy VII
7:21 Batman: Arkham City
8:29 Red Dead Redemption
9:19 Spec Ops: The Line
10:33 Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain
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Plot twist these are all the spoilers
You're the hero we all need
You are the hero Gotham deserves.
Also in spec ops the line, whenever u walk past plants if u look back they died. Showing how u aren't doing any good.
Yes. It's really cool when you play through it again. There's also some false choices that are really cleverly positioned.
wow, did not know that. now i have to check :)
It's in chapter 8, there is a tree that you walk past and go yup some stairs, when you reach the top turn around and the tree will be dead
Did not realize this. How did you find this?
Huh, interesting. Just 1000/1000'ed it last week, and still I never knew this. Probably because I was concentrating on not dying in possibly the hardest 'hardest difficulty' I've ever completed...
With black ops 1 there's also the fact that no other npc acknowledges reznov throughout the whole game
When you walk through the rat tunnels in Vietnam your teammate even asks you, "What the fuck is wrong with you?!" after Mason "spoke" with Reznov.
+Keydiam only cod game that made me feel bad mason was a really tragic character
and the fact in bo2 u get forced as woods to kill him is sad without knowing u could save him
Also if you shoot reznov during the game you won't get the friendly fire warning.
However there was something else that wasn't acknowledged in the video which is that if you change the serial numbers into letters you get "or is he dead, there was no body, is he who he says he is".
I shot him in the leg in BLOPS 2. I was doing it as a joke becuase I thought he would die wherever you shot him. I just assumed that Mason can't die until a friend told me that he killed him.
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic tells you in the first hour what happened:
"The say the Force can do terrible things to a mind; it can wipe away your memories and destroy your very identity."
This is specifically pointed out during the reveal.
That's more of a setup to the twist so it doesn't seem convoluted.
Omg, you're right!
It doesn't matter if it was a set-up so it doesn't seem convoluted; it was still giving away the twist at the very start.
Also when you first meet the Jedi Council, Vrook says 'what if we decide to train this one and the dark lord should return' - major give away
After he says that, Master Vandar (the Yoda species character), says rather sternly that "we should discuss this matter further" basically telling Vrook to shut the fuck up.
Another for Bioshock, the only time that you can make a choice is the one time Atlus doesn't say "Would you kindly?" The little sisters
Does he say that to the first girl?
+DirkAustin no. He just says to get some Adam from her. not to kill her, but he wants you ti
Bob Jones Then it wasnt the kill trigger code phrase. And we can make more choices. We can even let the splicers and big daddies live if we want to. Only during the bomb creation and Sanders quest to take photos are not choices. We can also let Sanders live or kill him tho.
Im just replaying it for Bioshock 2. :)
ANOTHER bioshock foreshadowing is the tapes you find where Ryan and the prostitute talks about their illegitimate child. After hearing those I was pretty certain they applied to jack, because who else could it have been?
+DirkAustin it isn't a kill code, it is a comand code. this is shown when Atlus tells you to put the genetic code key. you know he is controlling you at this point, but you do it any way
In bioshock atlas dosnt always say "would you kindly" and every time he does not say would you kindly you dont get an arrow telling you where to go.
Wow 🤯!
OH WOW
Woah, so what does this mean????
@@Briancamposarsenal08 he is being manipulated by some weird magic or idk
You also forgot the fact they play "The Man Who Sold the World" in the beginning. A song about a man running into his doppelganger and ultimately coming to terms with them...
Which is why I was okay with the twist really. MGS had tons of insane implausible things happening, and the idea of two big bosses cleared up some issues with MG1 and MG2, what with you killing Big Boss in 1 yet he's still alive in 2. Plus when put in the perspective of the game being loosely tied to David Bowie's songs, it's kind of interesting.
HOLY SHIT
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Holy shit THANK YOU! You actually mentioned the two Big Bosses part, so I don't see what part of this twist was really stupid. What other way was there to explain what happened in the first two games?
Interestingly enough though, none of these were the hints I had in realizing that we weren't playing the real Boss (John). What gave it away at first... was that for some reason Ishmael sounded like Kiefer Sutherland. Knowing that he was supposed to play the Boss, I wondered why exactly that was the case. Really though, going deeper into the shoes of Venom really made me forget about that, so the reveal was still surprising to me anyway, but then I kicked myself hard for not having stuck with that initial suspicion anyway.
+artcellrox I think people were mad because it didn't give the real Big Boss any motivation for MG1 and 2 and didn't give him any humanizing moments, because it was a doppelganger experiencing it all. What they failed to understand is the other prequel games already did that, it was never "He's just evil and wants to rule the world" Ever since MGS3 we found out his entire motivation was being manipulated into killing his mentor, the only person who gave him reason to live, by the US and Russian governments. Everything else after that point was him miscontruing her words. The entire point of him doing what he did was to take power away from the people who used people as pawns with no regard whatsoever and to take away their Nuclear option so he could use them himself as a safeguard, to ensure no one could stop him.
MGSV:TPP was to explain why BB survives 1 and to establish the world leading up to MG1.
How was BB able to make Outer Heaven while working for the US government? Doppelganger.
How did BB survive being killed in MG1? Doppelganger
Why did no one have Nukes allowing BB to be the only one with them. The events of MGSV pushed the governments into dismantling their weapons so no one could arm any PMC or third world country, all while BB stockpiled some for his plans.
The twist was a bit cheesy, sure, but it explained everything perfectly, sans the whole Konami screwing over Kojima so it was technically an unfinished game. And having the events of MGSV happen to Venom Snake makes perfect sense. Why would a doppelganger be willing to sacrifice his identity and willing to die for BB in MG1 even after learning the truth? Because he experienced what BB went through allowing him to empathize with him. I mean the mission, "Shining Lights Even in Death" was enough to show the torture BB had to go through. So when BB comes to Venom and says "I want to prevent anything like this ever happening again" Of course he's going to sign up.
I also thought of the twist being as a nod to the player from Kojima, among all the other story reasons presented. You create your character in the game. You, the player, have been there to make mgs what it is. A subtle 'thank you' to his long time fans.
I actually really loved MGSV's twist, I thought it was awesome. The whole, "You're talking to yourself" line was brilliant when you realized he meant it literally.
In Deadly Premonition, the Sheriff of the town outright states "you don't have to be a tree worshiper to appreciate the nature around here."
He's the serial killer, and he's doing it to unlock the magical power held within the seeds of a particular kind of tree. He literally worships trees.
Not to mention that his car's license plate says "HESTHE1". As in he's the killer. You could solve the mystery by just randomly driving around the neighborhood and seeing the plate while driving past.
But the ultimate foreshadowing comes from the shape of the town itself. Willy the dalmatian was the true mastermind behind it all!
Nah, he is just a messenger from the Red World. The true mastermind is whoever send him from the Red World and released the red seeds into our world.
The dog did that, the fat dude was the messenger right? The dog was his boss.
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No, Kaysen was the emissary from the Red World, an immortal demonic being that killed people and spread the red seed. The dog was his connection to the Red World. Thats why the dog is always with him.
Who is in charge is never spelled outright, but the ending shows the dog with Kaysen doll in his mouth, like a chew toy.
The reason for that twist in MGSV was to solidify that Big Boss is the antagonist in Metal Gear. He does something to one of his own men that is just as bad as the stuff that Cipher does, meaning he's no more in the right than the people he's fighting against. This is exactly the kind of behavior that the Metal Gear Big Boss would do. But, because we're seeing things form his perspective from MGS3, Portable Ops, Peace Walker, and Ground Zeroes, as well as reconciling with him at the end of MGS4, we easily forget that he was the original villain when the story began. We go through all sorts of mental gymnastics, and even ignore that he literally recruited Chico when he was still too young to smoke or drink, using him as an asset for his military operation. And then of course, there's his method of recruitment; abducting enemy combatants and brainwashing them into joining his army. And that leads into his plan for Outer Heaven; Go to war, create war orphans, take the orphans back to his base, train them to go to war, and then unleash them on other places, creating more war orphans to take in and train. Long and short, Big Boss is a villain, and MGSV's ending was the final step down that path, taking someone else's life away from them, and using them to further his own agenda. The only reason people are so mad that he would do such a thing is because they've been seeing it all from his perspective for so long. If you were to come in with no knowledge of the franchise, you'd think it's kind of a dick move. Then, go play Metal Gear, and you'll see that he's the final enemy of the game, and you'd just think that it makes perfect sense. Because he IS the villain.
That was very well explained. Thank you, Zero.
I stayed playing that game with no knowledge of anything before and honestly I didn't think much of it.. so maybe that's on me for not reading more into it
You are wrong
The villain is the government
So come back to the story and understand it well
It is the reason behind everything that happened
Everyone died because of the American government
It also reconciles big boss being te villian in metal gear 1 and 2 it was just killing both of them
@@DrEldlich
You're only right poetically. The first term I used to describe Big Boss was 'antagonist' because that's exactly what he was early on in the franchise; the antagonist to Solid Snake's protagonist. Again though, Big Boss was a villain, using the suffering of others for his own gains. If you step back, he's really a monster who just believes he's doing the right thing, using all sorts of bad methods to achieve what he thinks is a good goal. He hides behind 'the ends justify the means' when they clearly don't. He creates new suffering just to perpetuate war, claiming that it's to make a paradise for soldiers, consequences be damned.
Also, if you're wondering why I took over 9 months to reply, take it up with TH-cam who didn't notify me about anything until the fourth response. Also, while you're at it, you can ask yourself why you responded over 3 years after I left the comment.
I maintain Spec Ops the Line is the most mind fucking game I have ever played.
Did they call Markers the Maker?
Sean Scott I was looking for this. I was like, what the fuck, are you serious?
Right, I literally leaned forward and went "Umm, what?"
I know right?maybe ah clue?still usefel.
What about the title????
Not good sir, not good at all, smh.
I think you need to learn the difference between "giving away" and "foreshadowing"
You forgot the most obvious clue for Venom Snake not being Big Boss. The DNA test of Eli.
The answer to "Why Kojima, why?" is: Because he wanted to say "Fuck you, Konami", that's why.
Only the Emperor flipping the entire galaxy the bird surpasses this.
Or, more plausibly, Kojima is just a fucking horrible storyteller.
The whole concept in the MGS series is hiding a stealth game right? And main characters are trained wetwork agents? So escaping an assasination is right.
And I also believe Quiet knowed that too. Thats why she never talked in the game. She was send to kill Snake and person that everybody belived to be snake wasn't snake.
Really cause I thought it was to clear up the loose thread that was the big boss character in Metal Gear 1 that you killed who was able to have a respectable number of soldiers under his command. Still don't even get why everyone is so upity about this guy being a damn good soldier. Its literally why he was chosen. You dont have to be a clone of big boss to be able to do something in that world
Hm, yes, it is a good idea to ignore all other MGS games (especially 3) and just say something stupid like that.
I remember one from The Witcher 3. It's not really a twist, but it's also pretty nice. Early on in the game, in Velen near a windmill, you can find an old man claiming he's a medium and he can predict your future. If you bring him back the herbs he asks for, he gives clues about the game ending. Same with the Heart of Stone DLC, if you haven't completed the main quest before the DLC, you can by choosing the right option at the end of the DLC get some clues on what to do when you're making the critical choices that affect the end of the game. That's freaking cool
I was literally playing Batman: Arkham City earlier today and for this week lol. And Joker also said "You fell for the old fake Joker gag, Batman." really early in the game as well as Harley saying "Mr. J, you look perfect! Oh, I forgot. It's not you, is it?"
This guys narraration alone made me subscrive
he made me subcrive too
subscrive*
He deserved all those subscrivions
you have some trolly comment there m8
He debinitely did.
I, too, am very critical to the twist and overall narrative of MGSV. But it seems like you didn't understand the meaning behind it. You're not just a faceless medic. You're you, the player, that's why you create a face instead of them giving the medic a face to begin with. That's why you all big boss' important memories were imprinted in venom's brain. Because we were there with big boss, we lived through that too. In short we are venom snake, we became so familiar with big boss that we were turned into his phantom. A second big boss. I'm not saying you should like it. But at least understand what it is. I'm not very fond of it either for the record.
As much as how I like that fact that we the players get to live Big Boss's world, I wished for more story and character development for Venom Snake. At one point, we did travel back to Cyprus according to Truth Ending, but it was jumpy.
Have to agree, and also the twist can be seen a mile away. If you weren't being too presumptuous you would have probably seen it during Kaz's rescue mission. If you were being presumptuous you might have even seen it coming during the very first mission. Didn't really bother me at all and it was a sensible twist all things considered. I think it was unfair of the video to label it as nonsense simply because of the slightly convoluted setup.
+Sir Gildo I actually loved that twist, Big Boss' history was already too convoluted and heavy for any soul to bear, so having someone else go through that made it easier for me to believe that Bigg Boss didn't kill himself later on.
That is the point they tried to make, but frankly, it's a load of bull crap. Big Boss is a character. His dialogue is carried out by a voice actor, motion capture gets some of his movements, and all we do is take him from point A to point B to carry out the story. I know I'm not Big Boss, because I'm real. If I'm Venom Snake, then why am I not Big Boss too? Are we every video game character ever? Ever since Psycho Mantis Kojima's tried to up his metafiction and fourth wall breaking, when all he needs to do is write a good story and stop trying to pull pointless rug pulls. Summary: Big Boss is Big Boss in the game. Outside the game, no one is Big Boss, because Big Boss isn't real.
+Sir Gildo yeah, the whole game seem crowded with hints. From him not "remembering" the Russian language to liquid's DNA test turning out negative.
MGSV, the game where people are incapable of realizing that Kojima was writing a love letter to the players saying good bye.
No it wasn't a love letter it was a slap in the face for every mgs fan , it was filled with repetitive missions crappy characters shitty boss fights and the worst story in the whole mgs saga , only kojima fanboys will defend it
There's my point.
I think most people do understand that kojima is saying the players are big boss and the message on the tape at the end is aimed at the player from kojima himself. It's a ballsy and clever twist that adds plenty of plot holes and things to be desired. I hated the twist though it was at least creative
Only past MGS games fanboys will hate it.
+oh hi mark He didn't slap us, he didn't do it. He did nooooooooooot!!! Seriously though, weakest story but it had the best gameplay out of any of them. Snake Eater will always be my favorite though.
Why would you say "wibly wobly timey wimey" and then put photo of Professor Xavier ?
She was controlling time with her mind. So I guess they just went with two references.
I figure audible Doctor Who reference, visual X-Men reference, two birds one stone.
You're a wizard frodo - Charles Xavier
+aceotaku From Pokemon Death by Sleep.
Days of Future Past. Transporting Wolverine's consciousness into his younger body. Using Xavier's abilities.
The "I'm different turret" talks about Prometheus and how he brought the gift of fire to man and was pecked at by birds and later on in the game we find GLaDOS being pecked at by birds
When you come from what culture wrestling, and you still have expect to hear Adam 😭
Others talk in WhatCultureWWE too.
Adam PACITTI!!!
+newfacepaula You love it!
BX
Same
It's called "The Marker" not "The Maker"!
"What just happened?" Shitty research on the part of What Culture, that's what.
Dead Space meets Dragon Age. Make this happen!
And isn't it pronounced "Seffiroth" not "Seppiroth"? :P
Don't forget about "proto-gonist" instead of "protagonist", Does this fucker even literate? Seems like he skipped 3rd grade grammar.
***** He needs a kick in the proto-gonads.
"The Maker"
'r' you sure that's right mate....
...I disgust myself sometimes
Lol
Its the marker
fucking Leliana was wrong this whole time! he doesnt love us
If we don't realize it, then they don't really "give it away," do they?
I was just about to say this. I didn't even watch the video yet, but how can someone fuck up a clickbait title so bad?
It's just funny that is was there the whole time. Not really giving it away
Mystery Meat Yes.
Or they do "give it away" but you over look the clue or whatever on your 1st playthough then when you play again, you realize what you over looked foreshadowed future events.
That's like saying it's not giving things away when something is being offered for free (free BBQ, free admission, etc..) and you don't attend or participate. Just because someone doesn't get it doesn't mean it wasn't being given away.
also in life is strange remember how chloe keeps getting ticket for parking on for disabled ppl zones that foreshadowing was pretty nice
Spec ops the line was one of the best games of our generation and deserve more praise. I would love to see another installment
True it is a very good game but why no one speaks about it only you as ive seen so far in the comments but a lot of people are buying it now because it has a low price.
+Zeruel132 yea your right but the team who made it needs to hop on another project
+shutdown199 Spec ops was not that great. It's so fake deep and plays the same Pathos pulling trope of "omg maybe we're the bad guys" and everyone just eats it up.
I think a good sequel would be maybe set in 60's Vietnam or something, and it switches between two Spec Ops squads.
You think both stories happen alongside each other, but over time you learn one squad actually disappeared before the other arrived, and the first squad's actions decide the fate of the second. That'd be a cool twist.
+slvrcobra1337 I could see that working just needs to be refined
There is a lot more foreshadowing for #4.
If you don't jump out of the exploding chapel tower, Joker talks about how if you two keep going at it, one of you is going to end up dead on of these days.
Also, when Joker jumps on you and knocks you out with gas, his skin is nice and cured, then goes back to infested.
Also, as 35Antonio said:
"In Arkham City, after Harley Quinn hides with Joker in the attic of Ace Chemicals you can hear say:
Harley: Mr. J, you look so much better! Oh, it's not you.
Joker: Shhhhhh, quiet Harley!"
Then there's that side quest in the steel mill where you get your ice grenade. If you listen to the thugs in the elevator, one of them mentions seeing the Joker leave while another says he's still there.
All true points, you forgot one though when you go back to the Steel Mill and Joker's looking in the mirror. Batman even revisits a memory of that when he confronted clayface, the reflection was of a sickly Joker but when Joker turns around he's looking cured. Because it wasn't a mirror.
I actually like the twist in MGS:PP. The medic in a sense is supposed to be you. Assuming you played the games as Big Boss/Snake those would be the "memories" that were placed in the phantoms mind. And it makes sense because in the original Metal gear games you kill Big Boss, but then he shows up in MGS4 without that horn in his head. It really makes a whole lot of sense if you ask me.
There was a way bigger foreshadowing in Batman Arkham City than the fight with Clayface/Joker.
When you're in the church tower rigged to blow in the beginning, if you hang around after the timer clicks down Joker will berate you and more or less spell out the ending of the game, which further plays on the Cain and Able painting in the prologue with Catwoman :/
In Black Ops 2, during the start of the 2nd mission, Celerium, Salazar speaks about Menendez in a way that makes him sound like he has some kind of weird respect for Raul. Soon enough, he betrays you.
+N/A
Yes, that exact line.
I noticed that too.
Moon Man damn
The twist of MSGV is necessary to explain how big boss dies at the end if Metal Gear. The very original one that is. When Solid Snake kills big boss at the end of that game he's actually killing Venom Snake
I was proud been the dummy for big boss
+lunar éclipse Shine bright lights, even in death
Granted I've only watched my brother play these games, I'm completely lost at this point lol
no it's not actually, you never actually killed him in metal gear, only in metal gear 2. After outerheaven begins it's self destruct sequence you pretty much just run and then you are confronted by big boss who tells you he didn't expect you to fuck him over you have a quick battle and you "kill" him but you have to get out fast. Then in metal gear 2 it turns out big boss didn't die he only lost his eye then you burn him to death. (even though mgs4 says he lives which is kinda bullshit but whatever)
oh yeah that's also how he originally lost his eye but then mgs3 went and fucked the story
also in mgs5 audio tape of Eli says DNA does not match with BB, and if you kill people in mother base Ocelot remarks you are not the big Boss we been expecting after all
About the Eli part, I should have seen it coming but I didn't. I was preoccupied with whats next. Only found out at the Truth Ending.
When I first heard that tape, I was like "Woah...What the fuck!?".
After having beaten the game though (and just recently finishing a second playthrough), there definitely are hints scattered around here and there.
I just assumed it had been rigged by Ocelot or Miller or someone trying to hide the truth from you. Liquid felt a little awkward in the whole story, like he was just shoe horned in so you can be like "look it's Liquid!" rather than him having a meaningful role or cause to be the way he is. It really doesn't make sense for him to be so bitter and i think MGSV was a wasted opportunity for us to get more insight into him. Instead, Liquid just hates Big Boss because he's one dimensional and evil. Liquid is literally a brat before he even meets Venom and that's why the the later stuff in the series happens? Come on there had to be a better reason.
After beating the game, I thought back to the Eli part and just let out an "Ohhhh."
***** I kept thinking that Ishmael was Big Boss in a sense that he's a figment of your imagination, but he's your old survival instincts manifesting itself and essentially saving you. The twist itself fits quite nicely into the lore it's really just everything else plot wise that confuses the larger story. It was a bitter pill to swallow realizing you weren't Big Boss though eh, MGS2 was different because we start Plant knowing we aren't Snake and if you played the first one and Tanker then it was no secret who Plissken really was. The plot holes are Sahelanthopus, Liquids back story, Quiet, Ocelots apparent change of nature, Skull Face, Vocal Chord parasites. None of this was designed with the later story in mind.
Dead Space:
- less than 1/4 of the ship is his(because his crashed into it)
-Not his colleagues
Isaac is LITERALLY a 'Repair Man' on a job that went wrong.
I'm glad someone pointed that out.
The Pro toe go nist
11th: vampire the masquerade bloodlines: if you choose to open the sarcophagus at the end of the game, it will blow up, killing you; however, there's a woman hanging out with the thin bloods near the santa monica pier who can see the future and will tell you (upon asking) to not open it (she does not say what 'it' is)
The Revan reveal. It is hinted at so much that Knights of the Old Republic makes a cutscene showing you all of the times people hinted at it once you find out.
Life Is Strange more or less does the same thing. Games shouldn't count for this list if the game itself goes back and shows you that it's been hinting about the twist all along.
For Reznov, you should've used when if you shoot Reznov in the missions after Vorkuta, you will not get a game over or a mission failure for friendly fire.
at Read Dead Redemption ye missed something... at that point John Shoots the Guy (who some people think is either God, Jesus, Death, the Devil, an Angel, an Angel of Death or some other supernatural being) 3 times, on the fourth it jams... some see it as if each bullet was one dead:
first was uncle
second John
third Abigail
the bullet that would've been Jack jammed
That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.
That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.
Jesus?! Get outta here!
That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.
That's actually really interesting. I never thought of that.
The bioshock and Life is strange type "giveaways" are more narrative foreshadowing, than cheeky hidden messages like picking certain letters in chapter titles, when I played bioshock I was picking up on these clues (along with the tape under the prostitute's bed and the final "would you kindly" scrawled across the wall before the twist is revealed) you're supposed to pick up on stuff like that as you're playing.
1: I loved that twist in MGS 5 I thought it was fuckng grand
2: spec ops the line was hands down the best game story wise
I thought y'all liked to know
Kojimas twist makes since because the fake big boss is the one that Solid kills in part 1. I think it's an invisible Easter egg hinting at the fact that he's going to remake Metal Gear. Just look at the dates at the end of the game and compare them to the dates in the previous game. The timelines been changed for a remake.
Pretty much the evil big boss is the one solid kills in the beginning was you the whole time. I thought that it was pretty cool :l
Maybe if he hadn't gotten in a fight with Konami and backed out. Frankly, If MGSV never existed, the story would be exactly the same. They should have just remade the first two games and ignored this "story".
so i've killed myself like 20 years ago and i discover it only now?
Shitty writing yes, but a remake is going to happen.
Sense*.
And no, it was not at the quality of typical MGS storytelling. MGS2's ending is still something we talk about and philosophize on to this day. Phantom Pain's forgettable story has already been forgotten.
Fucking love all this attention spec ops has been getting. Best game of last gen
meh, it has one of the best stories of last gen, but the gameplay was pathetic boring standard cover based shooter.
@@fluk3artist Sometimes gameplay isn't that important. Re: Planescape: Torment
Well fake BB makes a whole lot of sense if you dwell deep into the entire MGS story
They've been working back to the first Metal Gear since Peacewalker. On top of that it ties up the whole two big boss' question from early Metal Gear. Blew my mind when I saw that one.
+RipperJack30141 Yeah! This damn plot wist was necessary, hard for me to understand how it doesn't Make any sense to some people, I'd understand if they complained about execution of it (Yep, We all can agree this could have been executed better)
MirelGaming
Pretty much. Always thought it was weird they added the first two Metal Gears on the Snake Eater remake. Makes sense though looking back.
RipperJack30141 Yea, though I believe more of a reason was because nobody had C64 anymore :P
It made sense in the game, but it was fucking terrible
More obviously with number 1:
-Venom Snake still has his other eye. Big Boss was shot in the eye in MGS3, meaning it was absolutely destroyed. Venom however seems like his eye was simply damaged to the point of blindness.
-When Volgan's spirit gets a close look at you, hoping to get his revenge, he suddenly freaks out after looking at your face long enough before fucking off and becoming a burned up corpse again. This means he realized you're not Naked Snake (Big Boss before he became Big Boss) the man who killed him, and that he truly wasn't going to get his afterlife revenge disturbed and shocked him immensely.
That MGS Twist was awesome actually. Throughout the series, Big Boss is set up to be a God-Like soldier and he actually dies TWICE in the series. Having two Big Bosses in my opinion was awesome, it explained why Big Boss was such a great soldier (being in two places at the same time) it explains why Big Boss dies twice (one death for you and one death for Boss) and to sum it all up, it's just a great thank you to the fans of the series seeing as that was Kojima's final game. SO YOU'RE STUPID!............jk it's all a matter of opinion but there are worst twists out there.
Big Boss never died though
Well, until the end of MGS4
Ryan Monaghan That's what I was saying :)
well too bad that was the only thing on TPP that makes sense. All the other game plot was just gibberish. Retarded at best. It had amazing gameplay etc. but that storyline makes it the worst Metal gear by far. it is almost unrecognisable.
We have a very similar opinion of the game it seems. I thought TPP had the best gameplay of any MGS game, absolutely loved it. But the story, it was the weakest of all MGS games. So it made it kind of a wash for me. But the MGS story was what had pulled me in, so to have a weak story as TPP does it actually makes me rank it the lowest in the series... Fun to play the game, but no depth or substance unlike every other MGS game before it
"...Who has no idea that his ordeal is played out in chapters and knows only pain."
I don't know why, but I laughed reeeeaaally hard at this.
In Spec Ops: The Line, you supposedly can tell that the radio Walker is using to talk to Konrad is broken.
FOR DEAD SPACE DID YOU REALLY SAY "THE MAKER?" IT IS THE MARKER
i am highly disappointed!
What a goof
+The Inverted Drone .I know right! (insert lenny)
papercoolcat still fantasizing about dead space 4
Silent Hill 2, 10 minutes in: "James why did you kill me?" It's distorted by static, but it's there..
My favorite portal turret....what did it do to you?! It's like the weighted companion cube, fun to have around and good for conversation.
In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, we reccommend that you disregard its advice
Story wise the twist in metal gear solid V makes sense. While for people who don't understand the story may see it as a stupid choice. In metal gear 1 on the nes big boss gets killed by solid snake. When really the fake big boss was killed, and the real big boss comes into the story only to be burned alive by snake, but real big boss is still alive but injured severely (the story continues into mgs1,2,and4)
Joshua Brown holy crap
Is it just me or was I the only person who started mgs v knowing I wasn’t actually big boss?
Am I the only one who thinks mgsv ending was damn good? To me it made 100% sense and answered the question why big boss was alive in mgs 4. I dont get it why people are trashing it and calling it bad...
They answered the question why he's alive in mgs4
Agreed, loved the twist and it makes sense.
Wasn't he supposed to kill himself but they rescripted it because it didn't test well. I think that makes for a satisfying end, a way to realise the burden a soldier takes on.
I'm pretty sure your thinking about the original ending for mgs4. It had old snake and otacon turning themselves in and getting executed.
It didn't answer why Big Boss was alive in MGS4, but they explained how Big Boss was alive in MG2: Solid Snake.
"When a plane does a selfish crash, all up in the sea and that"
This was said so dryly I have to think it's a reference to something
The twist in MGS5 made a whole hella bunch of sense. Snake kills this Boss in the first game allowing the reall Big Boss to return later. Despite the appearance of a tired and cliche trope, Kojima was, from a storytelling perspective totally justified in bringing everything full circle.
More notably with Reznov is the fact that after he dies you can't shoot him. Anyone else, you shoot them a few times you get a game over. Reznov, it goes right through him like he ... doesn't exist...
Was that professor X instead of the doctor?
It wasn't supposed to be the doctor.
+Seth Willson so professor X said "wibbely-wobbely, timey wimey" in WHICH X-Men Comic/Film/Game?
+Benjamin Matheny that was the joke. -_-
The ending of MGS V took a while to get to. You could even say it kept you waiting, huh?
I wouldn't blame Kojima too much for that one. After all, we was removed from the development team by Konami and his signature insignia is no-longer shown on newer copies of the game.
Even knowing the twist, if you haven't played Spec-Ops: The Line yet, it's still worth checking out. That game is REALLY powerful and a crazy good exploration of the atrocities of war.
Batman arkym night, when they literally say at the start "This is how the Batman died"
Mate I commented this 3 years ago😂
I thought i would already know the mgsv ending so I continued watching...
Bad idea
With the last one there is also the fact that in mgs 4 at the end big boss doesnt have a massive peice of shrapnel sicking out of his skull
Could've taken it out
Yeah but at the start of mgsv they said removing the shrapnel would be fatal and considering what was possible from the in universe tech from mgsv to mgs 4 i doubt medical tech has gotten to the point where he could have it removed
1:29 Marker*
To extend the Dead Space example, there's a more obvious thing to indicate something is wrong -- Nicole shows up and, like Isaac, is wearing on of those handy neon backwear accessories which act as healthbars.
And hers is empty the entire time.
FF7 Plot twist is even more obvious if you consider the fact that the box art on the reverse side of the case for the original release on ps1 in the uk shows Cloud holding Aerith as she's about to be sunk.
I always supported MGS... but the story in MGSV is a completely disaster, honestly I never saw it coming(not the twist, but its how BAD the twist was actually executed), what a waste of this GREAT cast, it could have been amazing if they had a kickass script, i was expecting a whole lot from them, especially the hype after ground zeroes, and all these trailers looked absolutely AMAZING, but only the trailers... i honestly think the MGSV trailers are one of the best executed trailers in gaming history.
I saw the twist coming, Venom's milky eye, and how passive he is.
Altman be praised... I can't believe you said "The Maker" instead of "The Marker"
The Spice must flow.
Pretty sure it wasn't the Bathyspheres but the rejuvenation stations that were locked to Ryan's DNA. There's an audio log pretty early in the game (I believe in Arcadia) that talks about them basically being useless for everyone but Ryan, although it's not super accurate as anyone as close as even a distant cousin would still be recognized.
Given that fact, I find it interesting how it changes the narrative slightly depending on difficulty, considering you don't respawn at those stations on Hard. ALSO... it begs the question of why Ryan didn't just respawn after you bludgeon him to death.
Or did he?
I believe Ryan turned off the Vita chamber in his office where you kill him.
***** Vita chambers... yes, that's what I was looking for.
Even so, the Vita Chambers are explained as taking the user back to whichever one they were most recently linked to. So it should have still revitalized him somewhere else in Rapture.
Mr Jefferson also says: "I could picture every single one of you in a dark corner"...He was probably mentioning the Dark Room
In Arkham City, if you stay after the countdown in the church bell thingy, the Joker reveals the end of the game, as "One of us will look down upon the other's body", or something among those lines.
"Then you take it to the nearest ledge and throw it off.."
..... Never.......!!!!
Jade Empire, on the second playthrough I noticed several lines of dialogue a certain character says that make more sense when you know the twist. :3
Spec Ops: The Line has one of the best stories i have seen in games
I really like the plot twist of Black Ops 3, where the story you play never really happened, and is perhaps an AI become self aware peicing together the memories of the antagonist in the story (whose memories the game revolves around) to make them make sense. The one you play as (named as "Player 1"), since the end of the first mission, but the AI needs an identity, and it is this identity that it catches. An amazing metastory!
What really happened was different from what you played, because it is just the "memories" of the AI, constructed to make sense for it. The main antagonist is the person whose memories the AI reads into, and the minor antagonists were all his squad members.
Also in Black Ops, every mission Mason has with Reznov after Vortuka, nobody ever acknowledges Reznov except for Mason
it was to explain why Big Boss dies in the first Metal Gear game
aka that was Vemon
also in 4 people point out there was no way one person would do all the things big boss claims to have done thus showing yeah cuz there was two
Yea but it still wasn't the best thing to do with the game
SpazticzGamer
meh it was a clear "it wasn't finish"
it also works with the "anyone can be big boss" theme
Black ops was fuckng awesome though, the campaign had me replaying it for a long time
It's "The Marker," not "The Maker," but I'll let you continue because some of the jokes were good.
2:54 I 90% agree. Black Ops 2 was decent. Still boots on the ground and didn't go too far into the future to make it Mass Effect.
Missing the absolute pinnacle example of this trope: Silent Hill 2.
Everyone knows the huge twist of James being the one to kill Mary, but it's amazing that Team Silent had the balls to flat out tell you within the first 15 minutes of the game. After your first monster encounter at the start of the game, James interacts with a portable radio in a cutscene. He hears a garbled woman's voice speaking to him. It's hard to figure out exactly what she tells him, but if you've a close enough ear you can make out Mary saying "James...why did you kill me...James."
The maker.......the MARKER. Clearly this was written by somebody who has never played Dead Space, literally every other word is Marker
I love the exsaderation and sarcasm throughout the video.
I love your grammEr
You missed the game with the most major twists : Start Wars The Old Republic. In the Imperial Agent story you are being brainwashed and used by the Republic only to find out that you were actually brainwashed by your people (The Empire). And in the Sith Warrior story your husband tries to kill you to get promoted to Captain, so yeah.
and the darth bars betraying you in the sith warrior story
+Max Hill exactlly. so many twists in swtor
sadly, my brother told me about it before the twist happened,and one thing I hate, for a whole questline you are the emperors wrath, and after that they never talk about again
Kladza well shit, now I wish I had finished my imperial agent lol
Also, I have another one if you ever make a second list. In Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc
-- SPOILER ALERT!! --
Junko Enoshima, the gorgeous fashion model who is revealed to be the evil Mastermind at the end of the game, actually has an impostor (her sister Mukuro) play her role during the game. This is given away right at the start, during the introductions, because Makoto (i.e. the player) knows her from her fashionista shoots and immediately remarks that she looks nothing like her photos in real life. "Junko" brushes it off saying that fashion photos are all photoshopped to Hell and back, and you think nothing of it since the argument makes sense, and attribute it simply to character development.
However, when the real Junko reveals herself, she looks exactly like her fashion photos, making the remark about Mukuro not looking similar fall right into place.
Going back to Batman Arkham City, not only was the Clayface twist hinted at earlier on, but the Joker’s death was foreshadowed even earlier than that.
Pretty early in the game, Joker traps Batman in a bell tower which is rigged to blow. If you stay in the bell tower after the timer winds down, it won’t blow up right away. Instead, you’ll hear this dialogue from Joker...
“What are you waiting for? We both know how this is going to turn out. You’re going to come and find me. You can’t stop yourself, can you? Sometimes, I wonder if all of this will just end with one of us looking down that the other’s corpse, trying to work out what to do next. The only question is, who’s body will it be? I know who I’m rooting for... what about you? Hahahahahahaha! Now get out of there now, or you’ll ruin everything!”
modern warfare 2 twist was kinda unexpected.
Did you completely miss the whole point of this video?
+Macephtopheles I think he did
it was, but it had no foreshadowing
I believe there were hints with that too. Remember on the Gulag when the Navy kept bombing the building while TF-141 was inside, and Shepherd called them off? Then the second they find Price, the bombing starts again.
I think Shepherd was trying to kill them all once he was sure Prisoner #627 was Price.
Also as America is invaded, Shepherd is issued a "blank check" from the president to bolster his war machine, what he'd wanted all along.
in the first level with Shepherd, there was the moment when he loaded three bullets into his gun. These three. bullets were used later against the protagonists, killing two of them and almost killing Soap if Price didn't stop him.
Yeah. They weren't even trying to hide the twist in MGS5.
It made more sense in the last mission
GuitarrAssassin Yet somehow many people missed it. Strange that it even reveals clues in the trailer. Guess some people wanted to hold on to hooe that they were big boss.
Well, to be fair, when you market the hell out of your game as "This is how Big Boss became the bad guy" (even though the ending of MGS3 was enough to explain that. Any game after that, while fun, was largely unnecessary to the story), people are going to misunderstand.
***** Very true. Mgs3 perfectly explained it. The other games were just getting into the nitty gritty of it. Although it's nice to know how he lost his bandanna.
I left a like when you said Black Ops was the last good game in the series
what b
black ops 2 never came out wtf
The pronunciation of "protagonist" had me rolling on the floor omg
The more I hear about Spec Ops, the more I really want to experience it myself. I'm gonna need to go an pick up that game soon.
Nice. now i can skip finishing MGS
ehhh keep playing it. it's dissapointing but still worth it. it's very rewarding with all the shit you unlock.
just like all games the older ones are normally the worst how ever the mg story is really good to me and playing all of the games makes the next game after it even more fun, even tho ya the first MG game isn't all about the story I would still say you should play it just to see how the games evolved.
marker not maker
Just going to reply to this comment to bump it up. Issac's the Maker. A Marker Maker, in fact
Bioshock is pretty much System Shock 2 under the sea. Even the major plot twist is the same :)
Except Bioshock lacks a SHODAN-ish AI that pretty much wants to destroy Earth.
Gamer88 They have a Fountaine.
Metal Gear Solid 5s plot wasnt a "dick move" Big Boss was a villan. He lost sight of what his mentor was trying to teach him.
In DanganRonpa 2, Monokuma actually tells you that you are in a game/simulation, but you just assume that he's breaking the fourth wall.