The Dutch Railways just got new trains and they’re AMAZING
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Welcome to this new video where I present you NS's latest fleet addition, the ICNG! It's finally time to turn the page after the Fyra fiasco ? Let's find out!
Enjoy :)
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RECORDED IN APRIL 2023
Railroad company: NS
Train type: Class 3200 (ICNG)
From: Rotterdam Centraal to Amsterdam Centraal
Time: 41 min
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00:00 : Intro
01:29 : Rotterdam Centraal
02:53 : The old IC
03:14 : The ICNG
05:18 : Boarding
05:52 : Seat Check
06:52 : Mid roll ads
07:25 : Departure from Rotterdam
07:42 : HSL Zuid
08:09 : Drone
08:22 : A quiet ride
08:30 : Second class overview
09:04 : More innovations
09:50 : Walkthrough
11:00 : Toilets Time
11:45 : Walkthrough 2
12:25 : Schipol
12:48 : Sneak peek of the Nightjet
13:09 : Arrival and thoughts
13:23 : Oh Hi Nightjet / Outro
Fun fact. Many Dutch trains have a nickname. We had the Hondenkop (Doghead, Mat'54), the Apekop (monkeyhead, Mat'64), the Buffel (Buffalo, DM90). the Blauwe Engel (The Blue Angel, DE1 and DE2) and this one was voted by the public to be called the Wesp (the Wasp)
Mat '54 is called Hondekop, without the second 'n', because the name was set before the spelling reform.
There's also the Bison, which is the DD-IRM/VIRM; the backbone of the intercity network.
Plan Y is the Sprinter (which now has become the name for local trains); Plan Z is the Koploper (it's a pun; literally, it means Frontrunner, but it also refers that you could walk through the head (kop) to another train).
Plan U (DE3) was called "Rode Duivel", Red Devil, and the DH1/DH2 was the "Wadloper". The latter can be found in Romania and South America these days.
@@SeverityOne Hondekop... of course... force of habit :)
In Italy we have this train (the version with different interiors and lower speed for local service) and we call it POP (Trenitalia loves to give his regional trains a musical genre as nickname)
Don't forget the current most used one: Koploper, named this way because they used to have a head which you could walk through to access other trains when they drive in a set. It was removed around 20 years ago due to high failure rates and maintenance costs.
The vote was not really representative. It was a poll of a train news site where wasp was an option, with 1500 votes. If NS did this, it would be possible a different story.
i love the look of the new train! my only issue is the amount of seating im seeing. As a dutch student i know how hard it is to get a seat on even the old intercities where there are far more seats per coach but now its going to be basically impossible, especially around 9 am when all the students are travelling, we get free travel on public transport so most take the trains. The fact they have spaced out the seating way more is nice for comfort but idiotic considering the student/work rush the ns has to deal with on a daily basis.
Yes there is not enough seating. I'd rather have more seats and less comfort.
I think this was sadly a conscious choice by NS, having less seats and no stairs for a second floor actually creates more standing space. So more people standing, meaning more people in a train carriage. Less carriages needed. Also it will cause people to stand in trains more, making it look fuller, which will scare away people more quickly to other carriages or alternative transport.
Ik zat er vorige week zelf in en was persoonlijk verbaasd met hoeveel stoelen er waren , interieur is ook super comfortabel ik heb eig niks te zeiken😂
I hate how much capacity those first class seats take, often they are completely empty while the blue sections are over stuffed.
@@yn6292 and that’s why I pay for them
Although the train looks stunning, as a Dutch student, I experience crowded and overloaded on a daily basis. This is with the previous IC. All students were hoping for more seats in the next gen, but we were let down and got much fewer seats in return. I expect no more trains where I can sit and work on my way to school anymore...
Are there toilets again ?
Yeah i really hate the new trains, no space, less seats and still TOO short trains, they are supposed to be here for the coming 20 years or so right? In 5 years these trains will be obsolete.
the country is getting more densly populated every year. with more and more people choosing alternative transports to cars (THIS IS GOOD!!) and what do we get? Fewer seats, longer intervals between trains, less rails and routes and more expensive fares! Great job private sector, free monopoly capitalism at it again!
@@thehunter5475RUTTE WOOHOO 😞
actually, they have a higher capacity than the trains they’re replacing
I work in the factory that makes the outer doors and their systems (it is in Czech Republic). I have been seeing "project ICNG" in production for some time now and I mainly work with the door drive (the thing under the ceiling that opens and closes the door). It is nice to see the whole train these go into.
I don’t do anything with these trains, i just like it’s built in the EU 😄
@@micheljansen85 You might be surprised how much of it actually really is. It is not like just the final assembly of it is in EU. I only know the door system but for that pretty much everything from custom aluminium extrusions and castings through laser cut sheet metal, zillion layers of paint, rubber seals and windows and all the way to the control electronics and wiring is built locally. I would imagine most of the train to be the same. It makes sense to do it like that for many reasons: the quantity of production is too low to get significant savings by moving the production elsewhere, having it local makes a lot of customization for every type of train much easier and since trains (and trams and metros) are largely paid from taxes it is good to keep the flow of the money close to where it came from.
@@micheljansen85 (they always have been for NS)
Love the way these trains look! There's one glaring issue that others have posted about though, and that is that there is a decrease in sitting capacity, because of the general design and also because a larger portion of the train-cars are 1st class. Since most people buy 2nd class tickets, they'd either have to stand or hope there's a seat available in the limited space.
Looks like you were here around King's day! He visited Rotterdam this year.
Did you know? NS is the only operator that insists on providing a uniform look&feel for their travel information inside the trains. The screens you see on the side of the internal doors are built and operated by NS. They build their own platform (OBIS), which not only gives you information about the travel but can also supply information in case of diversions and delays.
I've been part of the team that builds the hardware abstraction layer for OBIS. The part that talks to the train and controls the destination boards on the outside, the lights and stuff like the bio-toilet (telling it when it can/cannot flush externally. Not in tunnels/stations). There was a plan to adapt the lights around tunnels and when approaching a stop.
Since our software talked directly to the hardware of the Alstom platform, we visited Alstom Villeurbanne. I have to say I was extremely impressed by the work they're doing there. Everything was well organised and the engineering looked very well done!
Pretty sure SBB trains have standardized passenger information systems as well. They all look the same. But it might just be the exterior looks
SBB, SOB, BLS, DB, OBB also have their own standard screen tech LOL
Haha, really? I was misinformed! Thanks for correcting me!
Thanks for sharing that neat information!
I don't believe you mean to say "talking" in this context, rather "communicating". As a part of a team responsible for building technology for this type of transport, I would like to inform you that you failed in regard to realise screens to always display data rather than advertisements or pointless animations. For example, if I would like to know my next station when I'm in the middle of nowhere (not literally but you get my point), I wish I would be able to tell my location without grabbing my phone and opening any type of GPS software. Hopefuly the NS will improve their work on these displays.
Can we talk about how lightning quick this man moves through the coaches?
Haha, my thoughts exactly! 😆
It's the STEP: Standardized Train Enthusiast Pace!
Well, YOU can talk about it, you certainly are free to talk about it. I for one do not specifically feel inclined to dive into that matter that deeply myself. (Just kidding.)
Because he is not allowed to film in the train..
Yeah, he was like: I am speed! 😂
This is it, guys. The changing of the guard. And oh boy, does it look beautiful.
I absolutely can't wait for them to be in full service
Beauty always is in the eyes of the beholder. I think they are simply butt ugly.
cool train.
They are great!
What's the brand of these trains?
Klaus they are made by Alstom
Regarding the selection of the seat manufacturer, pretty sure it was going to be a top priority after the new NS local trains SNG (from Spanish CAF) had a bit of a PR desaster. Their seats suck! Too upright not soft enough. Therefor those trains are known to some people as the "backpain express". Glad to hear NS did a better job with the new InterCities!
The seats appear identical to those in the revamped VIRMs, which makes sense now.
Why aren't Europeans copying what the asian discovered a long time ago, use rotating seats that way you can easily accommodate groups of 4, have the privacy of 2 seats if there no groups and most importantly have adjustable seats, so even if the cover suck the passengers can just adjust it to their liking.
@@Mew178 Probably would be vandalized pretty quickly. the Netherlands tends to be cheap on security these days. That's why these new trains are so open. Easy too see if something happens without having to hire more staff
@@Mew178 SNCF did on TGV Océane for a time but discontinued the feature because it wo too complex and costly
@@dykam Those are different.
I don't think we can class these trains as AMAZING.
First issue: most people in the Netherlands want to work while on the train or otherwise sit alone whenever possible, you can't do work on the 2+2 opposing seats as there's no table, and you will likelier be sitting with someone random. So it's a really terrible choice that they went for that.
Second issue: relative lack of toilets, though this is an issue across all Dutch trains. These ones will do long distance journeys (Groningen -> Amsterdam -> Rotterdam), often toilets are out of order, you really need to have more per trainset.
Third issue: less seats than the IC Direct trains (Amsterdam-Rotterdam at high speed) currently running, which are already filled to the brim in rush hour. Stadler KISS or Siemens Desiro would have made much more sense for this line through its higher seating capacity, max platform length is just 320m. Maybe the Dutch railways suffer from max weight restrictions through poor soil conditions and that's why they opted for this one? I got Alstom stocks (and Thibault seems to work for them) so maybe I shouldn't say this, but it just seems like a weird choice to go for their Coradia stream single-deck model here over their competitors.
10:45 for the past 10-15 years, most of the new train seats got tested by actual commuters in a mock up at Rotterdam Centraal. NS then chose the seats based on the reviews given there.
and yet we still ended up with those garbage seats from the refurbished VIRMS
I know that the testing of seats was in 2014 or 2015 or so, so going on 10 years ago. I think the order is the other way around - the refurbished VIRMS have the same seats as these trains. Likely volume purchasing here...
Great post, SR! You Europeans are truly blessed with arguably the best public transit in the world (all aspects considered). Thanks for highlighting these great trains. Cheers.
No country in Europa matches Japan
Switzerland 😛
Japan is No.1 ! even I am not a fan of the country ! Salute from Europe
@@leonpaelinck In regional transport, many of the western european countries greatly outmatch Japan and for Highspeed, Spain is very close to Japan in coverage
@@leonpaelinck no country matches japans debt either… they spend it on trains!!
What staggers me is the massive amount of wasted seating space inside the carriages. Since we have a massive capacity problem in the Netherlands, I would've expected NS to fully utilize all the space in the carriages for seats. I mean after all, it's a train, not a coffee bar or restaurant.
Agreed. Under seat space would be big enough for medium travel cases without getting in the way of wiring and heating as main ducts are below the windows.
Happily, I have no desire to revisit any of the crowded and expensive Benelux countries. In any case the horrible languages hurt the ears..........................
A beautifully done video, thank you Thibault. The train is beautiful inside and out. The Dutch countryside looks so clean and orderly. One of my work colleagues just returned from a visit to the Netherlands and raved about the country, especially the massive fields of spring flowers.
Those spring flowers ain't what they seem...
I think your friend romantasizes the Netherlands a bit too much
@@myrajanssen2719 no it's not. The Netherlands is one of the most beautiful countries I've ever seen.
@@drunkensailor112come to the north and enjoy the onlanden 😂😂😂
We have that train also here in Italy for regional service (Trenitalia has purchased it recently) under the name “Pop”, alongside the new double decker “Rock”. It’s really comfortable, but when the train is super full it can’t accomodate lots of standing people, plus the doors are weirdly located. However I really like it, it’s quite smooth and quiet
As a traveler that most of time I used rock I agree, is smooth, fast and comfortable
It's also the same version used in Trenord's own regional fleet (Donizetti).
What's the brand of these trains?
@@klausbriesma9050 Alstom
@@domepugliese much better than this Italian fyra. What a nightmare
0:23 Wow, Rotterdam has a really beautiful station!!
utrecht too. there are some gorgeous stations in the netherlands!
Nice touch are the iconic letters "R O T T E R D A M C E N T R A A L" carried straight over from the previous building
If you like modern architecture, Delft and Arnhem also have beautiful train stations. Or, if you prefer historic stations, Den Haag Hollands Spoor, Haarlem and (especially) Groningen spring to mind.
@@rdevries3852 Oh yes, thanks for the travel ideas! I'll be back...
Great video, glad you are highlighting our new train!!!
The prices on Dutch train tickets though...aargh...
Meanwhile germany:
"Hold my 49€-Ticket"
Public transport will become even more expensive. Everything in the Netherlands is very expensive
NS isn't subsidised, and pays €80m to the government, even though it's 100% government-owned. This may change, though, because they've been making a loss pretty consistently for a couple of years now. The pandemic didn't help, for example.
@@SeverityOne Important note: people in our country know that it is not the fault of the carriers. The country makes everything expensive and we hate it. There will soon be less public transport. It is ridiculous.
@@JomirBrands That's a bit of s sweeping and somewhat populist sentiment. Somebody has to pay to have the trains run, and to maintain the infrastructure. You can subsidise them with taxes, but that implies that either (a) other services suffer or (b) taxes go up. And the senior party in government has been conservative liberal for the past decade.
I left the Netherlands at the end of 2000, and moving country opens your eyes to your old country. (It's also damn hard, but that's another issue.) When you live there, you don't really see what's around you. Move abroad, and you realise that the Netherlands is a country with perfect infrastructure, rotten weather, and a lot of complaining people.
Where I live now, in the middle of the Mediterranean, the weather is postcard perfect (except it gets VERY hot in summer), but 20 years ago people were habitually driving cars from the 1960s and 1970s. As their daily drive! The different in wealth was staggering.
I came from a country where everything was organised to the last iota, and while it's not even that bad here considering what's around us, perfect it's not.
To give an example: I get 10 days of fully paid sick leave a year, 10 days at 50%, and after that it's unpaid. In the Netherlands? 365 days. And who pays for that?
Take it from me: the anger and disaffection aside, the Netherlands are a very comfortable country to live in.
A couple of small remarks:
1) The airport (and the station at it) are called Schiphol, not Schipol.
2) The lack of storage space is not really smart as Schiphol is one of the major stations on that line and a lot of passengers for the airport will have luggage with them.
They look great! The one thing I'm worried about is that they have so little row seats. If they hope to replace the VIRM someday as well, they really need to run more frequent.
Tickets from Ticket machines are more expensive use a bankcard, the ov-chip card, or an online ticket instead. If you buy the ticket online (you can do this the same day) it would have costed 33.33 including the supplement fee.
Let me check: I could have used my contactless credit card (or phone/gadget) on the barriers and on a stand alone thing marked "toeslag" inside the barrier line (since this is a fast train right south of Schiphol so it has a special supplement fee) and just entered any train in second class? Civilized. Almost perfect. If I got most of that right, how would I get to first class the same way?
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Yes your credit card should work on the toeslag machine at the platform. First class ticket not is possible with credit card (ov chipkaart and online tickets would still work)
The ICNG is actually a completely new development! Only the exterior is similar to the other Coradia Stream trains, other than that it's a wholly new train - and that's also why it got delayed by so long, because software bugs had to be taken care of.
Here in Denmark, the DSB have ordered 100 trainsets that will be very similar to the ICNG, but with double doors instead, and all the trains are only 5 cars long. From the previews, I would say that the exterior of the Danish trains doesn't look as good as the Dutch ones, but the interior looks more comfortable and higher quality on the Danish trains. However, we'll have to wait until 2025 to see them in action.
Well that would be weird since the ICNG is the most numerous variant of the Coradia Steam
Um at least the ones we are getting here in Denmark is Corodia Stream sets just with more powerful brakes (Due to the fact that DSB dont want loco drivers having to go out on the track to place blocks if they had to stop on the Great Belt Bridge...)
@@ViktorFromDK They're all called Coradia Stream. The issue is that "Coradia Stream" is actually two different families with the same external design and the same name, but very different mechanics and programming.
The first type of Coradia Stream runs in Italy and several other places as regional trains. These have a lower top speed.
The second type of Coradia Stream is the Dutch ICNG and the upcoming Danish IC5. These are designed as intercity trains with a higher top speed of 200 km/h.
The two types look very similar externally, but they're very different in terms of mechanics and programming. So the ICNG, despite being called "Coardia Stream" like some previous trains, was actually a completely new development (which is why it had so many problems with getting approval). The Danish IC5 trains are just a small modification of the Dutch ICNG.
Super great Video👍Thumbs Up😀
Glad to see that the Netherlands finally seem to get good new IC trains! The only small complaint I'd make is that the bay-seats do not seem to be well aligned with the windows, but that's a minor thing. I particularly like the colourful wallpaper in and around the toilet area as well as the lighting color schemes, well done!
The problem is they are IC trains on a High Speed rail line, we've built a 300 kph capable rail connection, because the ICE3 was 'not good enough' we had a Fyra fiasco. Who would have guessed with Ansali Breda. Appearantly everyone except in the Netherlands. Now 10 years later, almost to the day we have new IC trains, capable of 200 kph. I don't know who greenlit this.
Don't they fit less people per wagon, though? Current ICs have two floors.
@@andrebrait I don't think that's the ones they are replacing. The doubledeckers are used on slower lines. The old trains on the high speed line have two locomotives and wagons in between. There should be at least as many seats per train in the new EMUs.
What could be criticized is that they don't live up to the full potential on the high speed line with their 200 km/h max speed.
They look comfy, but what I liked the most about the old IC´s was the amount of two-seat-rows. Most people travel alone or with two, and these two seat rows had the best distance to the tables. In the new trains it looks like these tables and four-seat-rows take op so much space. Not that practical with the busier trains nowadays...
Great video! Awesome to see a video of you up here so shorty after they entered service.
10:12 That is me and my friends on the right! I was the one with the Black/White/Green hoodie. Thx for the selfie! I really liked the video! Btw, the NS ordered the ICNG 3350 and 3351 prototype trainsets for services to Germany.
Beautiful trains! Romania will have this type of train soon too, the first is expected to arrive in December 2023 and is going to connect Bucharest to Constanta :D
So happy we’ll see this beauty here in Belgium as well 😊
Yeah the power outlets are one things that I felt like have been missing from current ICs. Especially on the longer distance trains it is important to have some kind of power outlets. Glad they have those in the new generation.
this is the first time I have come across your channel and I definitely wouldnt call myself a train enthusiast, but I love the way the video is setup, the details like drone shots, google earth footage and maps are great!!
I really love the benches right next to the door. When I was on the train to the airport I was uncomfortable standing next to the door because there was no space for luggage in the Sprinter.
nice to see this man ! ..Romania bought the same kind of trains...this year - summertime- will arrive in Romania ! Total 37 new trains will arrive in Romania this year and the next! Cheers from Romania
Will they be used between "Chișinău & Bucharest"?
Why yes, yes i do plan my holidays on the basis of an Eurovision song, why do you ask?
@@LeafHuntress I checked the news on newspapers...it says ONLY romanian rutes inside the country !
Great ride! Comfy seats! Colorful interior lighting. Thanks Thibault.😀💚
Comfy seats, if you can get one that is.
Really amazing new Sets NS got! Keep up the excellent reviews!
The train looks like similar regional trains based on the platform...but then goes 200km/h on the HSL lol - glad NS (and hopefully others) are leaving rock hard seats in the past, at least the Fyra chapter is closed and there's finally a proper high speed service between the major cities! 👏
NS' seats (at least in their intercities) were never _rock hard_, though the seats they put into the DDZ and VIRMm1 were noticeably less comfy than the ones in the unrevised VIRM1 (which had underrated seats in 2nd class, probably because the suspension ruins it). Still, very glad to see they went the extra bit not to go with the cheapest supplier.
@@gymnasiast90 cs183 was probably referring to the seats in the SLT and SNG sprinter rolling stock. Those seats are absolutely way too stiff to be comfortable. NS's various Intercity rolling stock has at least acceptable comfort.
@@gymnasiast90 The first class seats for DDZ and VIRMm1 are actually excellent. For the VIRMm-sets that are renovated with the Flow-design, they are reasonable, buth less comfortable than those in used in the first wave of modernizations and they are placed too far apart, giving you a lot less privacy.
It looks like a nice train set. I'm glad they finally got the seats right!
we dont have enough seats! rush hour on NS is hell and now they removed the seats!
@@capybaratherealoneNL that stinks!
That is a fast review of this new train, compliments! And well done as allways, thanks. From what I hear, in future this train type will ride the The Hague - Venlo connection and lateron the reoute you were in will be extended to peripheric destinations in the Netherlands, such as Groningen and/or Enschede. When that happens, lets hope catering will return on our domestic trains.
Level boarding is HUGE, so much easier get on and off with luggage. A really nice train.
Agreed! That's the most perfect level boarding I've seen in a long time!
I like Coradia trains. The only downside for me is that they are very noisy (when you are outside at least). Where I live, we have both Alstom Coradias and Stadler Flirts on regional services. And, Flirts are much more quiet.
fun fact, the seats in the ICNG are manufactured by the same company that made seats for the ICMm (modernised koploper) and yeah they are effing great! finaly a modern train with decent comfort in the netherlands!
Wow. That's expensive! I paid €56-ish for a first class ticket from the top of the Netherlands to the west in Belgium! (Straight to Rotterdam, then Antwerp, then to the west).
I live 1 block away from where you took that drone shot @8:13. It's in Berschenhoek/Berkel En Rodenrijs. Did not expect to see my hometown pop up in a random video lol
Well done! Very insightful!
The exterior of the Rotterdam station is great love the look.
Very nice seats...the seats I am concern about...I hope we get similar seats for Romania trains as well! Great work you do! Cheers
It looks a very friendly faced train, and with plenty of power. 🙏
So far we have only seen concept drawings but I think the front on the Danish Coradia Streams (aka IC5) looks a little bit better.
They remind of the front of our old ME locomotives, probably not a coincidens. :-)
Great design in all aspects. As the old saying goes, "it isn't much if it isn't Dutch." Your videos are top notch.
Another Wonder Railways Video . No one like You My bro!! It's really great! Thanks!
Much better than older IC but in Italy those sets is travelling as Pop for Trenitalia with almost the same economy seats but as regional train! And the Fyra after a complete renovation are working very well especially on Turin/Milan/Venice/Trieste route!
I think it would be wise for a few Italian regions to purchase a few units of this variant of the train as well: a top speed of 200 km/h would be really useful on services that partially run on the Direttissima, such as the Florence-Rome and Ancona-Rome fast regional trains. There are also many traditional lines with such a top speed.
In Bologna they use them too
Amazing NS livery 😍
Thanks for the short ride this time !!! 🇺🇾
It's a great train! I love it!
It's way teardrop feeling to see train which You have been testing from the very beginning, since first fuse switched on till the end of cycle in factory. Long live IC8022!
Love that there are some couches too. Fab
The trains look very nice, I especially like the NS color scheme, nice vid 👍
Looks really nice!
looks fantastic!
Wow, don't travel by train much anymore, I didn't know. Can't wait to ride one in the wild. As a Dutchie, travelling by train was daily practice in several periods of my life (with fold-up bike and everything).
Love that you're repping Kansas City and The Current! I hope you'll be back to play in their new stadium when it opens.
Great train, greeting from Serbia!
i once read an article saying they would be released in 2023. the memory kept popping back into my mind lately, and here they finally are
The NS Livery (Nederlandse Spoorwagen not Norfolk Southern) has to be one of the nicest anywhere
Wow i love those sofa like seats on sides! 😊❤
I have to check out Rotterdam station one of these days soon. I have a long-planned trip through the Netherlands planned.
Nice train, I hopefully can use it soon! At least the NS now looks to have a modern train for longer distances, next to the new Sprinter for shorter distances 👍
Lol! The train driver at 2:42 in the yellow jacket is me! Funny to see myself in one of your videos.
Great trip report
WAUW STILL YELLOW AND BLUE. SO AMAZING!!!!
I had my doubts when I first saw the mock-up at an NS confrence in the Hague, but I feel like the final product turned out pretty good afterall.
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Greetings from Maastricht ❤
I know the distances in the Netherlands are relatively small so you don't need super high speeds but it does seem a bit generous to call a max 200 km/h train "high speed".
Although I suspect for the Dutch network acceleration and breaking performance are probably more important than top speed.
It's in fact not part of the High Speed Trains that Alstom offers, it's the intercity version of its Regional Train offer
Same for Italy in italy we call high speed if it goes at 300km/h and 200km/h for intericity or 150km/h for fast regional and less than 150km/h regional
Afaik older trains and lines are called high speed if they get upgraded to 200 km/h, whilst new trains and tracks do indeed have to accomodate 300 km/h. Last I checked the ground is not terribly suitable for tracks that go >150 km/h, for HSL-Zuid they used a concrete box and even then a small part has a lower max speed due to unevenness.
That said, when you go between Rotterdam Centraal and Amsterdam Centraal it is possible to hit the 300 km/h mark, as the Thalys sometimes does this for less than a minute.
Really awesome!
around kings day, cool. Cant wait till everything is in full service
Wow these are amazing
in Italy we have the exact same train model (etr 104 and 204) can be in 3 or 4 cars and it goes up to 160 km/h used mostly for regional service (it's a little bit uncomfortable but amazing as a train I want them in Thier longer version aswell in my country lol)
Well, you got the ETR 700 instead. 🙂
I traveled with one in Sicilia last year. Nice trains
@@SeverityOne And they're working perfectly as Red Arrow segment...so we thank you for that :D
@@stefanokasuga4384 Do they indeed? I've always found it a bit of a strange story. Let's just say that you cannot always rely on what's reported in the media.
@@SeverityOne Yes, they do: mainstream media usually just don't care about train models; specialized railway-oriented media covered the refurbrishment process extensively and were and would be the first to report on any malfuncions. And if it wasn't enough, I personally see those trains running all the time exactly as the other models.
They're for sure not the best rolling stock in the Trenitalia fleet, but they've been doing their job reliably for years now.
Thalys, that's a good train design!
Great video, trains look good with clean windows....
Main concerns with interiors is efficient use to fit chairs, comfortable light when it’s way too late at night, and headrests that are high enough so that you’re not starting into other people’s eyes.
Wifi and charging points are also a nice luxury.
Nice video!
Thanks Thibault!
NS always does great with the artwork in its trains.
And never on time , and always tech problems .
Wow what a train, looks like train from the future.
I just always thought it would be some upgraded sprinter train but looks like im wrong based on the fact that even Simply railways loves the train.
You were in the Netherlands around King's Day?! That's our National Holiday. Hope you got to experience at least some of it. The King was in Rotterdam that day.
was fun meeting you 😁😁
I rode on the old one last week and still comfortable and clean. I just missed this one. Oh! well next times
Versi beautiful train, good video 😊
HOLY SHIT those are nice trains! Even in the best parts of the United States, journeys like this are spent on decades-old subway cars or slow diesel-hauled regional services which run every hour...
With the exception of the NEC of course!
Welcome to North America!
Nice!:D Some familiar faces too;)
Amtrak is so far behind European trains it's a damn shame especially when the USA claims to be the greatest country yet we lack a decent passenger rail system and universal health care for all.
100% true..
they claimed it and that is the point, you have to do it. In many ways the US is far behind, infrastructure, automatisation and so on.
How is the cost in America? I find that 40 dollars for a a 40 minute trip is insanely expensive. Even though he traveled first class.
@@TheJubess Amtrak sleeping car and Acela Express fares are outrageous!
Great video. One thing I have to disagree with: the old trains (the Traxx loc with ICR coaches) are notoriously unreliable, especially when going through a change of voltage or security system (which happens every time it enters and leaves a station, all the stations use 1500 V DC with ATB, while the HSL has 25000 V AC with ERTMS). This is why NS is prioritising their replacement with the ICNG. The ICM (an EMU that the ICNG is also supposed to replace) will remain in service until then, even though the oldest still running trains of that type are now 40 years old - much older than the TRAXX and about as old as the ICR.
I learned about the 220v outlets, that will be useful one day
Looks good, but the capacity is gonna be a huge issue. As a dutchie that used to go to school by train and bus for 5 years, this has always been an issue and will only be exacerbated by these new trains. The double decker IC has some excellent capacity which I doubt the new ICNG will be able to replicate. I honestly hope they will not replace the old design during rush hours.
€37 for a one way trip between the two biggest cities in a country, that are even near one another is ridiculously expensive.
Yep, I hear Dutch railways are becoming quite expensive
I believe ICNG are rated at a top speed of 200 km/h (124 mph). That allows them to run quicker on the HSL line between Amsterdam and Rotterdam and allows better compatibility with the _Thalys_ trains that use this line.
Between schiphol and rotterdam they will actually be as quick as the thalys once they start driving 200 with next years timetable, as they accellerate and brake a lot quicker, rotterdam antwerpen they will only be 5 minutes slower. However that is if the ns can go trough with their plans to skip a lot of stops.
@@daanwolters3751 I doubt that they will tighten up the timetable for next year already. It would first require them to replace all the Traxx+ICR sets. Until that moment, they will only drive 200 km/h if they have to make up for delays.
@@gymnasiast90 for all the lines, no. However, they only need to replace all the traxx on the ic direct services to be able to raise the speed there (you can leave the ic brussel at 160, while increasing the speed on the national lines.) So we will probably see an speed increase on the amsterdam rotterdam line, since it is a very short line this year. Hopefully on the den haag eindhoven line as well. The trains to belgium and leeuwarden/groningen/enschede is less certain, as alstrom keeps delaying deliveries of additional trains.
I hope they will make a Double Decked version of the ICNG, as for some routes 8 carriages single deck simply won't cut it, so unless the NS wants to use twice the amount of trains, they will need to figure out of they can double deck it. I almost exclusively use double deck trains from my home to my college and they are amazing trains! :)
The train looks a lot like the Newag Impuls train from my home country, Poland.
Very nice.
This train looks amazing. I wish we had them here in the USA, Metro North New Haven line could surely use them.
You Americans surely love your stainless steel trains though. Plus I’m pretty sure these trains don’t comply with the American crash worthy standard
@@MrJimheeren Alstom is known for managing to convert European trains to American standards so they could very well arrive in America some day if they have the money